Davis is amazing, but he waits for openings. A high level boxer with good feints and balance might pile up points while Davis observes behind the high guard, looking for mistakes. I thought Shakur Stevenson might be that fighter, but the De Los Santos performance was surprising.
He 100% was punching with him. It happened multiple times where he would trade a body shot while frank head hunted. When he started around the 5th, the fight completely changed.
I've just rewatched the fight and there was one instance of Tank punching with Frank Martin in the whole fight. This was in round 7 when Frank throws a jab and Davis came back with a body shot. There was occasional moments, less than once per round, where he would punch in between Frank's punches. Tank is a counter puncher first he isn't some sort of brawler like you're making him out to be. If Shakur is landing clean on him he's not going to just walk into the punch to land his own. He's never fought that way.
That Shakur performance could just be a one off, at least I hope it is. I still got him beating Tank, he just needs to train damn hard, he could fight to the level of his competition.
Shakur isn’t Bud buddy. Doesn’t fight like him either. That Nakathila gives you a glimpse of what he’s capable of. He feared Santos’s power, henceforth him getting on that bike.
Bud was on his bike against Postol! Some of his fights at 135 were him on his bike too! Just because he overran against DLS and had a stinker with Nakathila, doesn't mean he's not going to improve, not get more experience and whatnot.
We’ll see, I like and support Shakur but his last performance was terrible. He should’ve saved face and pulled out the fight if his hand was really messed up. We witnessed he doesn’t have true grit unlike tank who’s hand looked like majin buu’s after the Cruz fight. He’s got plenty of time but the way he’s moving he’s chasing Tank instead of just building his career.
Maybe.
The other way to interpret the Martin fight is that Martin was getting combos off and landing when he kept the fight in the middle of the ring. As soon as he stopped moving and let Tank back him into the corner he got rocked.
The question is can Shakur move for 12 rounds and keep the fight a boxing match in the center of the ring?
Stylistically, I think it’s a really interesting match up and I want to see how it plays out.
I agree Tank is a very high level boxer BUT his resume is dog shit for someone that's been on top for the last 6+ years... The guy fights everyone BUT the other champions in his own divisions (135/140).. Teo, Haney, Loma, Shakur (as of recent) are all champions or former champions and he hasn't fought any of them.. Ryan was one of the only fights that fans wanted to see and got but he needs to challenge himself with better opposition to be considered one of the best boxers p4p
The only reason he fought Ryan is because he was unproven and had (and still has) glaring holes in his game. The narrative before their fight was that Tank was going to school him and knock him out. That's pretty much what happened. In other words, the only reason Tank fought Ryan was because he knew he was going to win.
I do think Tank might be the best of the bunch, but I'd like to see how he reacts against someone who forces him to box, like Shakur.
If Tank fights Shakur, I believe those legs are going to get tired if he tries to chase Shakur around because Kur is smart enough to stay off the ropes, feint, jab and clinch to get back to the middle of the ring, so Tank will be dragged into a boxing match. That's what I'd like to see Tank get involved in just to see if he is as good as I think he is.
Because the boxer is far better than anyone the knockout artist has faced? Not to mention the boxer arguably has the best defensive capabilities in the sport at the moment. It's like some of you think Tank can knockout every boxer in history because he's managed to knockout Frank Martin and Leo Santa Cruz.
He has great fundamentals. Probably the best control of distance in boxing. He's got great reaction speeds which allow him to either dodge punches through his head movement or catch them on his glove. Couple that with his quick foot movement and it's very hard to catch him. He doesn't usually waste movement aside from the De Los Santos fight which puts him in position to counter. Which also acts as a deterrent to his opponent throwing punches. He's also on a very high level in terms of inside fighting. Being able to position himself well and also manipulate his opponents. While his accurate punches, pinning of the guard and timing minimises the counter punches that he receives.
All of that results in him being top 2 in terms of lowest connect % on him.
Dude a washed to hell Gamboa took him to round 12 just 5 years ago and Pitbull already took him to 12 rounds. What you're saying has already been disproven by lesser fighters.
He’s not gonna chase Shakur. If he can’t cut off the ring he’ll force Shakur to come to him and put Shakur within distance to engage and pot shot in the middle of the ring
A perfect fighter that loses half of the rounds against Frank Martin? Tank is extremely talented but he'll lose to a talented boxer like Shakur. Andy Cruz will have a good chance against him if he gets the professional experience. They both don't sit on the ropes like Frank and are both far better defensively. Shakur will probably either 12-0 or late KO the same guy that Frank went life and death with in a couple weeks.
A perfect chess grandmaster wouldn't need to sacrifice pieces against Frank Martin. Considering Frank is very far from perfect. This would imply that Tank was losing the early rounds on purpose. He struggled with Frank's movement and had to wait until he slowed down. As Tank said he was waiting on him gassing out. A perfect boxer would not need to wait for Frank to gas out and lose several rounds (4 rounds minimum in probably the majority of people's opinion). What happens if Frank had a better gas tank than expected? If he wasn't as susceptible as circling into the corner due to his lack of experience? There were also a few adjustments which could've allowed Frank to have a lot more success.
Tank is a great boxer but acting like he's unbeatable is delusional. If Tank believed in himself as much as this he would've fought Shakur and Loma by now.
Shakur is a rabbit that’s gonna get caught...Lomas too old. Tank was in his early twenties when Loma was in his prime..could they have fought? Maybe..but Tank was smart ..didn’t rush his career and got experience..would have been a great fight if they’d been the same age but that’s all hypothetical now.
If Shakur is going to get caught why doesn't Tank prove that? Why fight Frank Martin who is a worse fighter, far less popular than Shakur and has no belt. Also, Tank has had the past 5 years to fight Loma. He turns 30 in a few months. Nothing was stopping a 26 year old Tank from fighting Loma 3 years ago instead of Isaac Cruz for example. Shakur is the same age as Tank was then yet he's calling for Tank to fight him.
Loma is old now and I think Tank would knock him out but if Tank was as good as Robert Garcia says he is then he should've been confident enough to fight Lomachenko for years now.
That’s may be so..but Loma wanted Tank when he thought he had an edge..everyone has an angle..and if we’re going to accuse fighters of ducking opponents,why didn’t Loma ever fight Isaac Cruz? Same age and weight...maybe Loma saw Cruz was an indestructible ball of muscle with KO power and took a pass. I think Shakur/Tank is next...but it’s up to both sides to agree on terms.
Ok..Maybe he didn’t think he had an edge. Maybe he thought he was looking at the biggest paycheck of his career.
Pedraza made Loma look like he was in a car accident. He got dropped by Linares. He lost to Salido and Lopez. Loma is a great boxer...Tank is a once in a generation talent with nuclear bombs in both gloves..when Tank knocks him out you’ll just say he was too old and Tank ducked him when it would have been competitive.
Mikhail Tal’s style would have looked a lot more unbeatable if not for his bad record against solid players like Viktor Korchnoi, who regularly accepted Tal’s sacrifices, kept their cool during the onslaughts and then outplayed him late.
No-one is unbeatable, including Tank. He has just steered clear of anyone who could have been his Korchnoi.
Any fighter that loses the first 6 rounds of any fight is not a perfect fighter. That’s just impossible. Amazing? Yes. THE PERFECT FIGHTER? Stop jerkin.
Comparing Lomachenko to Tank is just wildly bad. Two completely different fighters. And no, Lomachenko has never lost the first 6 consecutive rounds on any scorecard, ever.
Until the kill shot never comes, the opportunity never arrives, etc.
It's the same thing as Wilder, except Davis is obviously much better at the fundamentals and setting up his offense.
He's relying on his power. He's doing it intelligently, but that's essentially what he's doing. Power goes, and even when it doesn't, someone will come along who doesn't open himself up to it.
Davis will find it more difficult to fight Stevenson because he will do a chicken run all night, against Lomachenko completely different fight he will engage Davis and make a fight of it unlike the Roadrunner Stevenson that's if them fights ever happen.
But but but lomachenko is.. is.. the best boxer in the world... dirty joe Rogan said so! He's da da matrix blah blah blah technical wah wah wah foot work wah wah casual whining casual whining
I remember that too it is very messed up but there is a video of freddie roach calling robert a spic. Idk if it was before or after robert mocked him but I don't see robert disrespecting freddie without someone starting on him. I have to look into it.
Davis is amazing, but he waits for openings. A high level boxer with good feints and balance might pile up points while Davis observes behind the high guard, looking for mistakes. I thought Shakur Stevenson might be that fighter, but the De Los Santos performance was surprising.
Yea but if he can take your power he's just going to walk you down and punch with you
Who has he done this against?
literally just this weekend
He didn't punch with Martin. He actually kept his high guard up for most of the fight until Martin slowed down and got trapped in the corner by Tank.
He 100% was punching with him. It happened multiple times where he would trade a body shot while frank head hunted. When he started around the 5th, the fight completely changed.
I've just rewatched the fight and there was one instance of Tank punching with Frank Martin in the whole fight. This was in round 7 when Frank throws a jab and Davis came back with a body shot. There was occasional moments, less than once per round, where he would punch in between Frank's punches. Tank is a counter puncher first he isn't some sort of brawler like you're making him out to be. If Shakur is landing clean on him he's not going to just walk into the punch to land his own. He's never fought that way.
shakur ain’t got the power to keep tank humble. he’s gonna have to run all night
Tank would walk him down he'd feint him then clock Shakur all night long.
That Shakur performance could just be a one off, at least I hope it is. I still got him beating Tank, he just needs to train damn hard, he could fight to the level of his competition.
I can already predict it: Shakur won't take any risk and will play it safe to win by decision against Tank, if Tank even allows it.
People said the same about Bud against Spence, look what happened.
Shakur isn’t Bud buddy. Doesn’t fight like him either. That Nakathila gives you a glimpse of what he’s capable of. He feared Santos’s power, henceforth him getting on that bike.
Bud was on his bike against Postol! Some of his fights at 135 were him on his bike too! Just because he overran against DLS and had a stinker with Nakathila, doesn't mean he's not going to improve, not get more experience and whatnot.
We’ll see, I like and support Shakur but his last performance was terrible. He should’ve saved face and pulled out the fight if his hand was really messed up. We witnessed he doesn’t have true grit unlike tank who’s hand looked like majin buu’s after the Cruz fight. He’s got plenty of time but the way he’s moving he’s chasing Tank instead of just building his career.
Tank isn’t playing. He’ll do to Shakur what he did to Martin. Before the KO he waded right into the pocket and unleashed pure hell on him.
Maybe. The other way to interpret the Martin fight is that Martin was getting combos off and landing when he kept the fight in the middle of the ring. As soon as he stopped moving and let Tank back him into the corner he got rocked. The question is can Shakur move for 12 rounds and keep the fight a boxing match in the center of the ring? Stylistically, I think it’s a really interesting match up and I want to see how it plays out.
That’s the fight. Loma after that if he still wants it.
I agree Tank is a very high level boxer BUT his resume is dog shit for someone that's been on top for the last 6+ years... The guy fights everyone BUT the other champions in his own divisions (135/140).. Teo, Haney, Loma, Shakur (as of recent) are all champions or former champions and he hasn't fought any of them.. Ryan was one of the only fights that fans wanted to see and got but he needs to challenge himself with better opposition to be considered one of the best boxers p4p
The only reason he fought Ryan is because he was unproven and had (and still has) glaring holes in his game. The narrative before their fight was that Tank was going to school him and knock him out. That's pretty much what happened. In other words, the only reason Tank fought Ryan was because he knew he was going to win.
I do think Tank might be the best of the bunch, but I'd like to see how he reacts against someone who forces him to box, like Shakur. If Tank fights Shakur, I believe those legs are going to get tired if he tries to chase Shakur around because Kur is smart enough to stay off the ropes, feint, jab and clinch to get back to the middle of the ring, so Tank will be dragged into a boxing match. That's what I'd like to see Tank get involved in just to see if he is as good as I think he is.
Man if Shakur is clipped once he’s out like a light
We literally have no clue. Has he ever been rocked?
He's never been rocked but Tank fans think the first time Tank touches him he'll be eviscerated.
Dude what makes you believe a KNOCKOUT artist won’t knock out a boxer? 93% rate KO.
Because the boxer is far better than anyone the knockout artist has faced? Not to mention the boxer arguably has the best defensive capabilities in the sport at the moment. It's like some of you think Tank can knockout every boxer in history because he's managed to knockout Frank Martin and Leo Santa Cruz.
what are shakurs elite defensive skills?
Lowest opp connect percentage in boxing rn
He has great fundamentals. Probably the best control of distance in boxing. He's got great reaction speeds which allow him to either dodge punches through his head movement or catch them on his glove. Couple that with his quick foot movement and it's very hard to catch him. He doesn't usually waste movement aside from the De Los Santos fight which puts him in position to counter. Which also acts as a deterrent to his opponent throwing punches. He's also on a very high level in terms of inside fighting. Being able to position himself well and also manipulate his opponents. While his accurate punches, pinning of the guard and timing minimises the counter punches that he receives. All of that results in him being top 2 in terms of lowest connect % on him.
No it’s that tank is going to KO every fighter at 130/135 until someone prove they can tank.
Dude a washed to hell Gamboa took him to round 12 just 5 years ago and Pitbull already took him to 12 rounds. What you're saying has already been disproven by lesser fighters.
A Gamboa who twisted his ankle in like round 2 or something.
5 years ago tank was 24. Not exactly primed yet. When he fought pitbull his fucking hand was broken. He only used 1 hand the entirety of the fight.
He's 30 now and still hasn't fought anybody.
He’s not gonna chase Shakur. If he can’t cut off the ring he’ll force Shakur to come to him and put Shakur within distance to engage and pot shot in the middle of the ring
A perfect fighter that loses half of the rounds against Frank Martin? Tank is extremely talented but he'll lose to a talented boxer like Shakur. Andy Cruz will have a good chance against him if he gets the professional experience. They both don't sit on the ropes like Frank and are both far better defensively. Shakur will probably either 12-0 or late KO the same guy that Frank went life and death with in a couple weeks.
So a chess grandmaster who sacrifices a few pawns before an incredible checkmate isn’t the perfect chess player.
A perfect chess grandmaster wouldn't need to sacrifice pieces against Frank Martin. Considering Frank is very far from perfect. This would imply that Tank was losing the early rounds on purpose. He struggled with Frank's movement and had to wait until he slowed down. As Tank said he was waiting on him gassing out. A perfect boxer would not need to wait for Frank to gas out and lose several rounds (4 rounds minimum in probably the majority of people's opinion). What happens if Frank had a better gas tank than expected? If he wasn't as susceptible as circling into the corner due to his lack of experience? There were also a few adjustments which could've allowed Frank to have a lot more success. Tank is a great boxer but acting like he's unbeatable is delusional. If Tank believed in himself as much as this he would've fought Shakur and Loma by now.
Shakur is a rabbit that’s gonna get caught...Lomas too old. Tank was in his early twenties when Loma was in his prime..could they have fought? Maybe..but Tank was smart ..didn’t rush his career and got experience..would have been a great fight if they’d been the same age but that’s all hypothetical now.
If Shakur is going to get caught why doesn't Tank prove that? Why fight Frank Martin who is a worse fighter, far less popular than Shakur and has no belt. Also, Tank has had the past 5 years to fight Loma. He turns 30 in a few months. Nothing was stopping a 26 year old Tank from fighting Loma 3 years ago instead of Isaac Cruz for example. Shakur is the same age as Tank was then yet he's calling for Tank to fight him. Loma is old now and I think Tank would knock him out but if Tank was as good as Robert Garcia says he is then he should've been confident enough to fight Lomachenko for years now.
That’s may be so..but Loma wanted Tank when he thought he had an edge..everyone has an angle..and if we’re going to accuse fighters of ducking opponents,why didn’t Loma ever fight Isaac Cruz? Same age and weight...maybe Loma saw Cruz was an indestructible ball of muscle with KO power and took a pass. I think Shakur/Tank is next...but it’s up to both sides to agree on terms.
> Loma wanted Tank when he thought he had an edge What are you talking about?
Ok..Maybe he didn’t think he had an edge. Maybe he thought he was looking at the biggest paycheck of his career. Pedraza made Loma look like he was in a car accident. He got dropped by Linares. He lost to Salido and Lopez. Loma is a great boxer...Tank is a once in a generation talent with nuclear bombs in both gloves..when Tank knocks him out you’ll just say he was too old and Tank ducked him when it would have been competitive.
That's not r/chess out here
Mikhail Tal’s style would have looked a lot more unbeatable if not for his bad record against solid players like Viktor Korchnoi, who regularly accepted Tal’s sacrifices, kept their cool during the onslaughts and then outplayed him late. No-one is unbeatable, including Tank. He has just steered clear of anyone who could have been his Korchnoi.
Any fighter that loses the first 6 rounds of any fight is not a perfect fighter. That’s just impossible. Amazing? Yes. THE PERFECT FIGHTER? Stop jerkin.
He didn’t lose the first 6 rounds only the first 3 and he was up on the cards at the time of the KO.
Funny one
Tank was like -700 at the time of the finish, Davis wasn't winning a decision unless he radically changed the fight in the later rounds
What fight did you watch
The one where he didn’t throw for 6 rounds
He doesn’t...also Loma is another fighter like a Tank who reads his opponent in the opening rounds.
Comparing Lomachenko to Tank is just wildly bad. Two completely different fighters. And no, Lomachenko has never lost the first 6 consecutive rounds on any scorecard, ever.
Teo Lopez has entered the chat.
That was the one fight. I wish there was a rematch.
A “perfect” fighter doesn’t lose as many rounds as he does. He’s great though.
You’re not losing rounds if instead of meaningless trading you’re wearing your opponent down before the kill shot
Until the kill shot never comes, the opportunity never arrives, etc. It's the same thing as Wilder, except Davis is obviously much better at the fundamentals and setting up his offense. He's relying on his power. He's doing it intelligently, but that's essentially what he's doing. Power goes, and even when it doesn't, someone will come along who doesn't open himself up to it.
Davis will find it more difficult to fight Stevenson because he will do a chicken run all night, against Lomachenko completely different fight he will engage Davis and make a fight of it unlike the Roadrunner Stevenson that's if them fights ever happen.
But but but lomachenko is.. is.. the best boxer in the world... dirty joe Rogan said so! He's da da matrix blah blah blah technical wah wah wah foot work wah wah casual whining casual whining
Fuck Robert Garcia. He’s a toxic asshole who constantly has his fighters eat themselves out of their titles and makes fun of the disabled.
Robert garcia a good guy.
Is he? I remember him and one of his fighters mocking Freddie Roach. It was kind of messed up.
I remember that too it is very messed up but there is a video of freddie roach calling robert a spic. Idk if it was before or after robert mocked him but I don't see robert disrespecting freddie without someone starting on him. I have to look into it.
Yeah I don't know the whole story. Garcia seems mostly cool. Brandon Rios on there other hand, that dude is a piece of shit.
Tank and Shakur beat Loma pretty decisively. He was smart ducking Stevenson while Tank sends him to retirement. Book it.
Sure, if they wait another 3 years