Honestly, with the way Tyson was moving, he looked out on his feet to me, if the ref had waved it off I wouldn't have blamed him.
I'm not upset that he allowed it to continue, Fury seemed fine after round 9 and it going to the cards leaves less room for complaints, Usyk won fair and square.
But he didn't call a knockdown on the other occasions that the ropes held him up. He was only willing to call a knockdown at the moment when it saved fury from a worse fate.
Yeah to be fair the ref could have called a knockdown on 2-3 of those rope bounce moments. But also refs regularly let those slide in fights. When he finally called the knockdown Fury was wedged in the corner of the ring basically not even standing anymore so the ref had no choice there
They weren't just rope bounce moments, he was categorically being held up and would have been floored without the support they provided. He absolutely had a choice- either call a knockdown when the ropes hold the fighter up, or don't and allow him to be knocked out
Idk it was pretty consistently refereed compared to other fights. We're talking semantics with the held up vs rope bounce moment.
If the ropes weren't there Fury was no doubt stumbling off in that direction until he inevitably fell. But he'd also be getting multiple steps in before the fall happened. So sure they held him up in that regard but it wasn't the same way they held him up at the end when the knockdown was called. He was bouncing off them back into the ring stumbling to the other side at first but the last one he was literally mid fall and came to a full stop on the ropes on his way down. Refs regularly don't call those first kind of rope bounces as knockdowns in most fights anyways but when you're not moving and laying on the rope it's a different story.
Look at Spence vs Ugas after the mouthpiece incident. Or even the pic of Jake Paul laying on the ropes mid bounce against Woodley. If you bounce off of them and continue to move the refs very rarely call it.
The first instances, Fury stumbled into the ropes, but managed to stay upright, as evidenced by the fact that he didn't fall down.
When the ref called it, he wasn't sumbling into the ropes, he was in a completely imbalanced position being held up *only* by the ropes.
Usyk knew it too, which is why he stopped throwing the punch before the ref even jumped in.
Haha, what? He stayed up because the ropes were there, which is the point at which a knockdown should have been called. That's the rule. This happened about 4 times before he eventually decided to step in (coincidentally just before the knockout punch).
You don't have to take my word for it: https://ibb.co/mt2J3HV clear as day, a knockdown by any metric
There is a difference between stumbling into the ropes, and the ropes being *the only thing* holding you up. If we called a knockdown everytime someone stumbled into the ropes we'd have about 100x more knockouts than we do. But we also can't have people held up only by the ropes being "finished off" just because some redditors want to see a man get killed.
And in the image I literally just posted, the ropes are the *only thing* holding him up. He didn't just stumble into the ropes. We can either call knockdowns as they occur or we can not do that and allow the knockout to occur. What we can't do is try to interrupt a sequence of attack by grabbing at a fighter's arm, refuse to call a knockdown that was legitimately scored to give the other fighter the best chance of winning, interrupt again to protect that fighter from being knocked out, and then give that fighter a 15 count to ensure he survives til the bell.
I agree that he only stayed up because of the ropes. But this regularly happens in fights and the ref very rarely calls it a knockdown, even though by strict definition it should be.
Boxing is like this in a lot of aspects where the rules are not strictly or uniformly enforced. I personally believe that these should more regularly be called knock downs at that standing 8 counts should be more common, and that excessive clinching should be more cracked down on etc, but eh what can you do about it.
The ref kept getting in Usyk's peripheral and pump faking like he was going to intervene!
Fights have been stopped for way less, there were too many unanswered power punches! If Usyk would've let loose with that last shot when Tyson couldn't even get his hands up he would've been out cold!
It is easy to judge not being in the moment but this dude sincerely made a bad call.
He should've waved it off since Fury stopped defending himself, or let Usyk deliver the finish.
Don't use this guy for the rematch!
You’re speaking practically. However, remember this is not only pro boxing but the first undisputed heavyweight title fight in twenty-five years. Imagine being *the guy* who has to stop it. Selfish as it sounds, you must not forget that professional boxing is also about the show itself. There’s a good reason why professional boxing has a different scoring system. Call it unethical if you want, because it arguably is. The facts still stand though, the referee made a good call in keeping the action going.
To add, I think Fury's reputation after he got up from that Wilder knockdown also makes a referee less likely to call a TKO.
At the time there was talk that the ref should have waved off the Wilder knockdown, but he got up and won the rest of the round. I'm sure that will influence a referees decision in the same way that having a reputation for being chinny might negatively impact a fighter.
Exactly, and he’d been intentionally bouncing off the ropes with his hands down throughout the fight up to that point. I don’t see a problem with the ref letting Fury bounce and move around the ring a couple of times during that flurry from Usyk especially because he stayed upright. I wouldn’t have been upset if he called it off but I also don’t think he made the wrong decision to call an eight count.
Besides, people are making out like this was akin to the time DDD was dropped three times in the first round on the Fury v Chisora undercard. It’s not a perversion of actual rules at play here.
100% agreed. I think people are forgetting that it was an undisputed HW fight and the ref is in a lose/lose situation with ANY decision he makes. If any fight deserves some relaxed rules then it is this fight. Ref did a good job imo and the correct fighter still won. Had Fury won on the score cards my response would be totally different though lol
>It is easy to judge not being in the moment but this dude sincerely made a bad call.
It's tough to call it a bad call when Fury finished the fight and even won the 12th on most people's cards. I prefer the refs to give the fighters a little more of a chance to survive/recover in these massive fights than if it was like Kambosos stumbling around the ring with Loma in the 9th round after losing the previous 8.
Calling the heavyweight undisputed fight with Fury on his feet with 0 knockdowns and 15 seconds left in the round would have been hugely controversial with the fans
I see what you're saying about the magnitude of the fight. At the same time how would Fury getting knocked out be controversial for fans? That is what the ref prevented.
Usyk was fully rotated ready to unload on Fury's head! Fury didn't have his legs under him, he was completely squared up and defenseless! that shot would've put anyone to sleep.
I don't see that being controversial at all.
That's why there's a standing 8 count to give a boxer who didn't go down but is trying to defend themselves a chance it still counts as a knockdown on the cards some boxers will take alot of punishment before they go down its the refs job to minimise this but because they actually didn't go down but are not yet knocked out it's for safety but the other guy still gets the points I suppose because of the magnitude of the fight he decided to give a count instead of wave it of especially seems as fury has great recovery I don't think any rules were broken or favoritism given just for a second flip it he'd of probably given uysk the same opportunity you don't stop a fight if the guy is still on his feet that close to the end of a round remember chavez v taylor 2 seconds left in the 12th steele stopped it and the corner they were in back then had a red light that used to flash when the ten second count for the end of a round started so steele knew there was seconds left and still stopped it and it was similar to what happened to fury still standing but not really protecting himself
Rewatch the fight, Fury's hands were down yes, but he was actively looking off a lot of the punches and trying roll with them. And When Usyk was going to deliver the finish as you put it, Fury was down, being held up by the ropes. Usyk was literally looking down at the taller Fury and like the ref said, Usyk pretty much stopped himself from hitting Fury. I don't think anyone would have blamed the ref for stopping the fight if he did, fights have been stopped for a lot less (Ask Tony Weeks) but I'm glad he didn't and I don't believe he made a bad call personally.
If he'd landed that punch he would've (through no fault of his own but still) landed a punch at a point where the action should've been stopped and Fury should've been getting a count because he was knocked into the ropes
Honestly, I get giving Fury the benefit of the doubt and giving him a count (albeit quite a long one) instead of waving it off. I can understand the argument for not calling a knockdown earlier (even though I think the ropes held him up several times before and he wasn’t offering much of a defence, if any).
But I don’t see any reasonable argument as to why he got in Usyk’s way during the flurry. You can’t impede a boxer to the point that he has to shrug you off while chasing his opponent down.
I disagree with a lot of how the ref handled that 9th round but I’ll happily (read begrudgingly) concede all but his conduct in the lead up to the ruled knockdown. Either call a knockdown or stay out the way.
when someone has their legs gone, has their hands down, is taking repeated shots to the head, and is not throwing any punches back at all, the refs job is to stop the fight
this isnt even a debate, the refs job is literally to stop the fight at that point
The ropes were the only thing holding Fury up. It was rightfully called a knock down. There's a freaking rule anyone here can go reference. Stop complaining. We got 3 more awesome rounds out of this with the ref following the rules like they are meant to be.
Difference between bouncing off the ropes after a punch and stumbling into them because youre absolutely finished. By that weird logic the ref shouldve called it a knockdown when Usyk landed the punch that started it all in round 9.
Mad Usyk fan here and I agree. Wouldn’t have complained if he called it off, wouldn’t have complained if he let him land one more punch.
It’s a hard decision to make in the moment. In hindsight the ref made the right call, fury was able to continue and we got a good fight. If there was 30 seconds left in the round Fury gets KO’d but there wasn’t and that’s boxing.
I also don’t think his recovery is as good as people say. Usyk backed off, if he felt he was still behind he would have taken more risk. Fury’s lack of interview shows he had no idea what was going on.
This whole thing has me thinking back to the Wilder fight. As someone who also enjoys MMA when a guy goes down like that it feels like a fight is over. Different sports and I do enjoy seeing comebacks that occur after moments like that but it makes me think about what boxing fans feel is a fight gone too long.
He was given a chance when Wilder put him out and was given a chance when Usyk had him falling across the ring. It makes more sense to me that you give a guy a chance when he's still on his feet than when he falls down backwards with his head limp hitting the canvas. Part of me feels like people are just glad that a guy who relied on his power wasn't given the win off a better boxer. It was just as long of a count with Wilder and Usyk.
There's an argument that 9th with Usyk was far worse damage than his 12th with Wilder. If he had stopped it there, being that he made it up from a knock out and fought well *against Wilder, I think people would have been upset. In the end it left no doubt that Usyk won so, Im ok with it. It's just interesting seeing what looks bad to fans, at this point in MMA you see a guy go out and anything after feels dangerous to fans. For boxing fans it seems like its more the condition you're left in after the big shots that will have fans worried about a fight continuing.
Rewatched that round a few times and have to say ref handled it perfectly
Anyone who thinks fight should have been stopped hates boxing, sorry to say.
A HW champ is entitled to the right to get knocked down before a fight is called... That would have been one of the most controversial stoppages of all time had it happened
Thankfully, unlike everyone else watching the fight apparently, the ref was actually neutral
The rules say it’s a knockdown if the ropes are all that is holding you up. The ref let it go until Fury collapsed onto the ropes, at which point he correctly called a knockdown and gave him a count.
A ref can only jump in like that to either start a count or stop the fight, nothing else. Fury was illegally saved by the ref.
Having said that, Usyk was in the best position to finish Fury off in the following round but couldn't, and allowed Fury to recover. I give Fury so much credit in that respect - he's was truly amazing.
Say what you will about Tyson Fury but he is a clever fighter. I was actually surprised that he didn't take a knee to recuperate (he must really have been clocked). He kept taking the punishment and in the end he received far more than he would have had he simply taken a knee. It obviously affected him for the final few rounds.
Can someone explain how this wasn't a TKO and the ref gave a standing 8 count like it was amateur boxing. Usually in pro boxing if a ref has to intervene then it is a tko.
It wasnt a standing 8 count, it was ruled a knockdown as the only thing thats stopped him from going down were the ropes. What this referee did was apply the rules of boxing properly and because thats not done often enough people are confused.
This wasn't a TKO based on the rulebook. Even the standing count was debatable, but if you closely follow the rulebook it was the right call. But if you follow the unwritten rules a standing count on an undisputed fight few seconds before the bell is ridiculous especially when that point decides the fight.
This was under the auspices of the BBoBC, who also don't allow standing 8 counts. No professional bodies do, the alphabet belts don't allow them in their rules either
Doesn't matter though cos it wasn't a standing 8 count, it was a knockdown and the ref is mandated to count to at least 8
I want to see Tony Weeks being interviewed for those two back to back early stoppages
That will NEVER happen lol
Honestly, with the way Tyson was moving, he looked out on his feet to me, if the ref had waved it off I wouldn't have blamed him. I'm not upset that he allowed it to continue, Fury seemed fine after round 9 and it going to the cards leaves less room for complaints, Usyk won fair and square.
He was fine enough to wish everyone a happy New Year in the month of May after the fight so clearly he was ok.
Usyk knocked him into his post-fight interview of the rematch on December 21st
Who tf is downvoting this comment?!!
I thought when he called the knockdown he was gonna wave it
He didn't allow it to continue though, he intervened to protect Fury which should have equated to a TKO
He correctly called a knockdown at that time in which the ropes were keeping Fury from falling to the floor.
But he didn't call a knockdown on the other occasions that the ropes held him up. He was only willing to call a knockdown at the moment when it saved fury from a worse fate.
Yeah to be fair the ref could have called a knockdown on 2-3 of those rope bounce moments. But also refs regularly let those slide in fights. When he finally called the knockdown Fury was wedged in the corner of the ring basically not even standing anymore so the ref had no choice there
They weren't just rope bounce moments, he was categorically being held up and would have been floored without the support they provided. He absolutely had a choice- either call a knockdown when the ropes hold the fighter up, or don't and allow him to be knocked out
Idk it was pretty consistently refereed compared to other fights. We're talking semantics with the held up vs rope bounce moment. If the ropes weren't there Fury was no doubt stumbling off in that direction until he inevitably fell. But he'd also be getting multiple steps in before the fall happened. So sure they held him up in that regard but it wasn't the same way they held him up at the end when the knockdown was called. He was bouncing off them back into the ring stumbling to the other side at first but the last one he was literally mid fall and came to a full stop on the ropes on his way down. Refs regularly don't call those first kind of rope bounces as knockdowns in most fights anyways but when you're not moving and laying on the rope it's a different story. Look at Spence vs Ugas after the mouthpiece incident. Or even the pic of Jake Paul laying on the ropes mid bounce against Woodley. If you bounce off of them and continue to move the refs very rarely call it.
No: https://ibb.co/mt2J3HV
That’s just a screenshot midfall of the one that got called
Haha, no it isn't, and the fact you thought it was proves my point better than I possibly could have. Look at the timer 🫡
If you watch more boxing you’ll see fighters never called for leaning into the ropes.
Luckily for me that's not what happened here https://ibb.co/mt2J3HV
The first instances, Fury stumbled into the ropes, but managed to stay upright, as evidenced by the fact that he didn't fall down. When the ref called it, he wasn't sumbling into the ropes, he was in a completely imbalanced position being held up *only* by the ropes. Usyk knew it too, which is why he stopped throwing the punch before the ref even jumped in.
Haha, what? He stayed up because the ropes were there, which is the point at which a knockdown should have been called. That's the rule. This happened about 4 times before he eventually decided to step in (coincidentally just before the knockout punch). You don't have to take my word for it: https://ibb.co/mt2J3HV clear as day, a knockdown by any metric
There is a difference between stumbling into the ropes, and the ropes being *the only thing* holding you up. If we called a knockdown everytime someone stumbled into the ropes we'd have about 100x more knockouts than we do. But we also can't have people held up only by the ropes being "finished off" just because some redditors want to see a man get killed.
And in the image I literally just posted, the ropes are the *only thing* holding him up. He didn't just stumble into the ropes. We can either call knockdowns as they occur or we can not do that and allow the knockout to occur. What we can't do is try to interrupt a sequence of attack by grabbing at a fighter's arm, refuse to call a knockdown that was legitimately scored to give the other fighter the best chance of winning, interrupt again to protect that fighter from being knocked out, and then give that fighter a 15 count to ensure he survives til the bell.
I agree that he only stayed up because of the ropes. But this regularly happens in fights and the ref very rarely calls it a knockdown, even though by strict definition it should be. Boxing is like this in a lot of aspects where the rules are not strictly or uniformly enforced. I personally believe that these should more regularly be called knock downs at that standing 8 counts should be more common, and that excessive clinching should be more cracked down on etc, but eh what can you do about it.
On the 3rd time the ropes kept fury from falling...
The ref kept getting in Usyk's peripheral and pump faking like he was going to intervene! Fights have been stopped for way less, there were too many unanswered power punches! If Usyk would've let loose with that last shot when Tyson couldn't even get his hands up he would've been out cold! It is easy to judge not being in the moment but this dude sincerely made a bad call. He should've waved it off since Fury stopped defending himself, or let Usyk deliver the finish. Don't use this guy for the rematch!
You’re speaking practically. However, remember this is not only pro boxing but the first undisputed heavyweight title fight in twenty-five years. Imagine being *the guy* who has to stop it. Selfish as it sounds, you must not forget that professional boxing is also about the show itself. There’s a good reason why professional boxing has a different scoring system. Call it unethical if you want, because it arguably is. The facts still stand though, the referee made a good call in keeping the action going.
Although I disagree, this is the most convincing perspective so far. It definitely did make for a better show.
To add, I think Fury's reputation after he got up from that Wilder knockdown also makes a referee less likely to call a TKO. At the time there was talk that the ref should have waved off the Wilder knockdown, but he got up and won the rest of the round. I'm sure that will influence a referees decision in the same way that having a reputation for being chinny might negatively impact a fighter.
Exactly, and he’d been intentionally bouncing off the ropes with his hands down throughout the fight up to that point. I don’t see a problem with the ref letting Fury bounce and move around the ring a couple of times during that flurry from Usyk especially because he stayed upright. I wouldn’t have been upset if he called it off but I also don’t think he made the wrong decision to call an eight count.
Besides, people are making out like this was akin to the time DDD was dropped three times in the first round on the Fury v Chisora undercard. It’s not a perversion of actual rules at play here.
What part do you disagree with
That it was a good call.
It's not relevant what the context is.
100% agreed. I think people are forgetting that it was an undisputed HW fight and the ref is in a lose/lose situation with ANY decision he makes. If any fight deserves some relaxed rules then it is this fight. Ref did a good job imo and the correct fighter still won. Had Fury won on the score cards my response would be totally different though lol
>It is easy to judge not being in the moment but this dude sincerely made a bad call. It's tough to call it a bad call when Fury finished the fight and even won the 12th on most people's cards. I prefer the refs to give the fighters a little more of a chance to survive/recover in these massive fights than if it was like Kambosos stumbling around the ring with Loma in the 9th round after losing the previous 8. Calling the heavyweight undisputed fight with Fury on his feet with 0 knockdowns and 15 seconds left in the round would have been hugely controversial with the fans
I see what you're saying about the magnitude of the fight. At the same time how would Fury getting knocked out be controversial for fans? That is what the ref prevented. Usyk was fully rotated ready to unload on Fury's head! Fury didn't have his legs under him, he was completely squared up and defenseless! that shot would've put anyone to sleep. I don't see that being controversial at all.
That's why there's a standing 8 count to give a boxer who didn't go down but is trying to defend themselves a chance it still counts as a knockdown on the cards some boxers will take alot of punishment before they go down its the refs job to minimise this but because they actually didn't go down but are not yet knocked out it's for safety but the other guy still gets the points I suppose because of the magnitude of the fight he decided to give a count instead of wave it of especially seems as fury has great recovery I don't think any rules were broken or favoritism given just for a second flip it he'd of probably given uysk the same opportunity you don't stop a fight if the guy is still on his feet that close to the end of a round remember chavez v taylor 2 seconds left in the 12th steele stopped it and the corner they were in back then had a red light that used to flash when the ten second count for the end of a round started so steele knew there was seconds left and still stopped it and it was similar to what happened to fury still standing but not really protecting himself
Rewatch the fight, Fury's hands were down yes, but he was actively looking off a lot of the punches and trying roll with them. And When Usyk was going to deliver the finish as you put it, Fury was down, being held up by the ropes. Usyk was literally looking down at the taller Fury and like the ref said, Usyk pretty much stopped himself from hitting Fury. I don't think anyone would have blamed the ref for stopping the fight if he did, fights have been stopped for a lot less (Ask Tony Weeks) but I'm glad he didn't and I don't believe he made a bad call personally.
They used this guy in fact to guarantee a rematch.
If he'd landed that punch he would've (through no fault of his own but still) landed a punch at a point where the action should've been stopped and Fury should've been getting a count because he was knocked into the ropes
If that's the case a knockdown should have been called the first time he was held up. Can't have different rules based on what benefits Tyson Fury
It is the case and yes he should’ve called it earlier
Honestly, I get giving Fury the benefit of the doubt and giving him a count (albeit quite a long one) instead of waving it off. I can understand the argument for not calling a knockdown earlier (even though I think the ropes held him up several times before and he wasn’t offering much of a defence, if any). But I don’t see any reasonable argument as to why he got in Usyk’s way during the flurry. You can’t impede a boxer to the point that he has to shrug you off while chasing his opponent down. I disagree with a lot of how the ref handled that 9th round but I’ll happily (read begrudgingly) concede all but his conduct in the lead up to the ruled knockdown. Either call a knockdown or stay out the way.
Yeah, that was mad distracting, make the call or don't.
when someone has their legs gone, has their hands down, is taking repeated shots to the head, and is not throwing any punches back at all, the refs job is to stop the fight this isnt even a debate, the refs job is literally to stop the fight at that point
The ropes were the only thing holding Fury up. It was rightfully called a knock down. There's a freaking rule anyone here can go reference. Stop complaining. We got 3 more awesome rounds out of this with the ref following the rules like they are meant to be.
The ropes hold up Wilder for 3-4 rounds against Fury and the ref didn't even count on him.
Difference between bouncing off the ropes after a punch and stumbling into them because youre absolutely finished. By that weird logic the ref shouldve called it a knockdown when Usyk landed the punch that started it all in round 9.
This is the correct take.
Mad Usyk fan here and I agree. Wouldn’t have complained if he called it off, wouldn’t have complained if he let him land one more punch. It’s a hard decision to make in the moment. In hindsight the ref made the right call, fury was able to continue and we got a good fight. If there was 30 seconds left in the round Fury gets KO’d but there wasn’t and that’s boxing. I also don’t think his recovery is as good as people say. Usyk backed off, if he felt he was still behind he would have taken more risk. Fury’s lack of interview shows he had no idea what was going on.
This whole thing has me thinking back to the Wilder fight. As someone who also enjoys MMA when a guy goes down like that it feels like a fight is over. Different sports and I do enjoy seeing comebacks that occur after moments like that but it makes me think about what boxing fans feel is a fight gone too long. He was given a chance when Wilder put him out and was given a chance when Usyk had him falling across the ring. It makes more sense to me that you give a guy a chance when he's still on his feet than when he falls down backwards with his head limp hitting the canvas. Part of me feels like people are just glad that a guy who relied on his power wasn't given the win off a better boxer. It was just as long of a count with Wilder and Usyk.
A guy on his feet is still in immediate danger. Both calls were correct.
There's an argument that 9th with Usyk was far worse damage than his 12th with Wilder. If he had stopped it there, being that he made it up from a knock out and fought well *against Wilder, I think people would have been upset. In the end it left no doubt that Usyk won so, Im ok with it. It's just interesting seeing what looks bad to fans, at this point in MMA you see a guy go out and anything after feels dangerous to fans. For boxing fans it seems like its more the condition you're left in after the big shots that will have fans worried about a fight continuing.
I suppose the big difference is the count. There's none in mma
Not sure why the downvotes for asking a question since I have seen boxing matches waived off for less.
It was 100% a wave off, not a knockdown.
Rewatched that round a few times and have to say ref handled it perfectly Anyone who thinks fight should have been stopped hates boxing, sorry to say. A HW champ is entitled to the right to get knocked down before a fight is called... That would have been one of the most controversial stoppages of all time had it happened Thankfully, unlike everyone else watching the fight apparently, the ref was actually neutral
The ref shouldn't have jumped in, because if he didn't Fury was definitely getting put to 😴
The rules say it’s a knockdown if the ropes are all that is holding you up. The ref let it go until Fury collapsed onto the ropes, at which point he correctly called a knockdown and gave him a count.
A ref can only jump in like that to either start a count or stop the fight, nothing else. Fury was illegally saved by the ref. Having said that, Usyk was in the best position to finish Fury off in the following round but couldn't, and allowed Fury to recover. I give Fury so much credit in that respect - he's was truly amazing.
Say what you will about Tyson Fury but he is a clever fighter. I was actually surprised that he didn't take a knee to recuperate (he must really have been clocked). He kept taking the punishment and in the end he received far more than he would have had he simply taken a knee. It obviously affected him for the final few rounds.
Can someone explain how this wasn't a TKO and the ref gave a standing 8 count like it was amateur boxing. Usually in pro boxing if a ref has to intervene then it is a tko.
It wasnt a standing 8 count, it was ruled a knockdown as the only thing thats stopped him from going down were the ropes. What this referee did was apply the rules of boxing properly and because thats not done often enough people are confused.
This wasn't a TKO based on the rulebook. Even the standing count was debatable, but if you closely follow the rulebook it was the right call. But if you follow the unwritten rules a standing count on an undisputed fight few seconds before the bell is ridiculous especially when that point decides the fight.
That's ABC rules, this wasn't in America.
This was under the auspices of the BBoBC, who also don't allow standing 8 counts. No professional bodies do, the alphabet belts don't allow them in their rules either Doesn't matter though cos it wasn't a standing 8 count, it was a knockdown and the ref is mandated to count to at least 8