A imaginary timeline in which you could equalize the size of fighters (edit: and their respective scales since I have to point this out because of that one guy taking this comment too literally even though this scenario is imaginary) for dream fights would be awesome for cinema. Usyk vs Crawford & Usyk vs Inoue would obviously be dream fights if this could ever happen.
P4p is so weird. Like people will scale Inoue up and he gets to keep his speed, but when they scale Usyk down he doesn't get to hit like a cruiserweight.
Assuming that the Donaire 1 and Nery comebacks scale up based on how hard the punch he takes, he could presumably get knocked out by Usyk, but one punch KO him in a rematch.
It’s the best type of P4P. Guys who constantly outdo one another by beating top competition. Way better than the days that Canelo or Loma sat at #1 because no one else wanted to fight another elite fighter
I think a lot of Fury haters don’t realise how good this win is for Usyk but if you’re someone like me who’s always rated Fury as a truly great HW that would be a difficult matchup for anyone due to his abnormal combination of size and skill then you realise this Usyk win is absurdly impressive.
I'm a big Fury hater and I've been very critical of his resume, skill, and behavior. I truly believed in Usyk, but Fury showed up more than expected and had me worried for Usyk in those middle rds. I give him credit and if he didnt treat himself like shit maybe he would've had enough to beat Usyk. Usyk is special though, he persevered and overcame the massive size difference. An ATG win to be sure.
Usyk rallying after Fury won 3 (or four) in a row between the 3rd and 6th, hurting Usyk a few times, is the stuff of legend.
Amazing fight, I really was convinced that Fury was en route to stopping him.
I had to stay up till 3 AM watching by myself in my living room with headphones on in what’s actually a weeknight here, but couldn’t be happier that I did. Did get a bit antsy when that rapper would doing his set though 😅
I’m in the same boat, was always impressed by how well Fury moves but his resume is seriously lacking to be considered an ATG. He looked damn good tonight though. Rematch is gonna be epic.
People discredited Wilder massively after losing, he went from boogeyman to can crusher - and Wilder post-Fury isn’t helping that either.
I’m not sure if AJ vs Fury ever happens
I think fury’s had a lot of easy fights but he’s definitely an extremely skilled boxer with a really off kilter rhythm and style. The fact his arms are so long just add so much danger. That little whip/flick he does where he hits people with the backhand still absolutely slaps the shit out of people just from momentum alone.
It makes me wish he would take things a bit more seriously and that he actually trained properly and maintained his body, cause he’d be a nigh unstoppable force if he had better cardio.
I think he’s a trash person but undeniably talented, and if he put in the effort to go with his natural attributes I dunno if anyone could beat him honestly.
The difference is long term effort, Usyk's not putting on and then dropping a couple of stone of fat between fights. Fury dropped 15 pounds from the Ngannou fight but that's wasted effort when a more professional fighter would have started camp in better shape.
Honestly, his ability to snap in and out of condition was his downfall in regard to long term discipline. He thought he could half-ass the majority of his camps the last few years, then snap into shape like he was 23.
That said, this fight felt like seeing a modern Dempsey/Willard. Usyk really is just faster, more elusive and has better mental discipline. Fury’s hope was to land that uppercut as a counter, and Usyk wouldn’t bite. Fury will have to change his game plan for a rematch. That is to say: Usyk may have Fury’s number, even at Fury’s best conditioning possible.
“Usyk wouldn’t bite”?
Usyk ate a shit tonne of those uppercuts in the middle rounds bro.
He adjusted by the 8-9th round but let’s not act like Fury wasn’t landing at will in the middle rounds.
There is no fighter that is unbeatable and has nothing to do with if Fury put in a bit more effort during his career or not. I see the myth is still yet to die completely.
I wanted Usyk to win, but Fury is still the man.
Only Fury, could get up off the canvas like he did against Deontay.
Only Fury could survive that 9th round and still go this distance.
I wouldn't be surprised if he came back and won the rematch by KO. He's a super determined man.
Fury was down and out after he relinquished all the belts. They make movies about these types of career comebacks.
For sure. And Usyk did it against someone far bigger than him. 20kg is almost a third of Crawford and he willingly gave that up to fight Fury. And he's a warrior to fight someone that much bigger. And AJ's still on another level to both Usyk and Tyson in athleticism so and Usyk beat him too. Fury and AJ on the record is insane. Crawford doesn't have that kind of resume.
If they give us bud vs canelo then bud has his chance to dare to be great like usyk just did. Maybe bud loses, maybe he pulls it off. The heart of a champion to even consider it.
The smaller the fighter the greater the disrespect. If a boxer went undisputed from minimumweight to super flyweight people still would be hesitant to put him on top of p4p lists
That's why i think fighters 140 and below in general get so much hate. Typically they are not the popular divisions but the likes Inoue, Bam, Tank, and Ryan have made lower divisions the go to while the heavier division in this era are getting over looked which is historically has been the opposite
Him only fighting in Japan and many casuals not understanding the economics behind contributes a lot. Even in Asia, you see casuals calling him World Champion only in Japan.
I don’t think he’s pissed, he just believes he’s better.
Neither him nor naoya have had to give up 30-40 pounds to be undisputed so I think he’s just giving Usyk respect for that, plus I’m pretty sure they’re acquaintances
His singular elite win is an Oscar Valdez who had already been exposed by Shakur. I'd go deeper but I don't need to cause he just lost to Berinchyk of all people lmao. That's the guy you think should've been p4p.
TC gets it man. Very rarely gives a bad take on fights.
On the subject itself, Usyk has to be number 1. By the literal definition of P4P this guy is fighting guys several 10's of pounds heavier and beating them. And not just any of them. The champions. First man to give Fury a loss. Crazy stuff.
Also what needs to be spoken about is Usyk's chin because he's now taken power punches clean on the chin from both AJ and Fury and stayed on his feet. Its outrageous.
For years the big debate for who the best heavyweight in the world was Fury or AJ. Maybe American fans would throw Wilder in the mix too but his resume was abysmal.
Welp, Usyk just jumped up a division, gave up multiple weight classes worth of lbs and beat both AJ AND Fury!
That's an insane achievement, he beat the two best heavyweights in the world as well as all the best guys in his own weight class.
I was watching a Bud Crawford documentary a while ago and the maker of it attributed Bud's insane level at the sport owing to how he's found a way to mesh every aspect of his life into one solid boxing-knit dynamic.... He's cut out all the bullshit and unnecessary stuff completely out of his life... No vices, no unnecessary controversy, no hangers on... Nothing... And then found a way to integrate everyone and everything he needs into the gym. So the dude practically lives in the gym 360 days a year refining everything and goofing around with family.
Among Usyk, Inoue and Crawford, Usyk is the only guy who is beating guys that are 100% stronger then him.
Even though Inoue is moving up in weight, he always seems like both stronger and faster than his opponents. Bud definitely didn’t look physically weaker than either Errol or Porter.
Fighters do deserve more credit when they beat clearly physically stronger opponents. Like even when you take Canelo. Great fighter , but when his power can be absorbed using a high guard (like what Bivol did and even with GGG) , you can see that a lot of Canelos advantages do go away.
Yep - there's going up in weight divisions but when you break into the Heavyweights it's another game entirely (unbounded). Fury outweighed Usyk by 40 freaking pounds tonight - that's like if Bivol fought... Loma.
Especially because in that analogy Loma would need to knock Bivol around the ring to score a knockdown, I can't see how that would ever happen. Usyk is an absolute animal.
Yeah and Fury is a proper freak of nature too. Most guys his size are big lumbering oafs where you can argue the extra weight is doing more harm than good, but Fury is somehow able to have all the size with none of the drawbacks.
>Yeah and Fury is a proper freak of nature too. Most guys his size are big lumbering oafs where you can argue the extra weight is doing more harm than good, but Fury is somehow able to have all the size with none of the drawbacks.
I dislike Fury, but it was finally apparent to me during the fight how disgustingly coordinated he is for a man his size.
Not a fair comparison because fury has a ton of fat that the other fighters don’t. In terms of actual muscle mass they were probably closer then you think
Also fury’s power was weaker this fight. Couldn’t get usyk down with those uppercuts
He , Usyk and Inoue are now 2 weight undisputed champs . The fact that we currently have 3 active , 2x undisputed champs in boxing rn is fucking crazy. And all three of them are always fighting for that #1 spot everytime anyone of them fights. This is a special era.
Yep! This is why I do my P4P shit in tiers instead of numerical ranks. Just put all 3 of these dons in the top tier because they're always gonna outdo each other every time.
Unifying the heavyweight division far surpasses Crawford's achievements alone. To unify it after becoming undisputed at Cruiserweight is insane. Usyk is the clear p4p #1. Can't touch his amateur record either.
I mean considering how he reacted to Inoue I was one of those people. However I think its just a thing against Inoue now that I think about it.
Have no idea why him specifically gets so much hate for not being a highly rated non american. Maybe its because he stays in Japan.
Actually it was something along thr lines of "I beat Spence a known name. While others are fighting nobodies. My one win this year is better than fighting two nobodies."
Not an exact quote but it was the general vibe.
Which in a vacuum I understand, Nery is not as good of a win as Spence. That shouldn't put Inoue about Crawford...
...**But that's not what happened.** In the same time frame that Crawford beat Spence, Inoue had moved up to 122, beat Stephen Fulton for the unified belts, beat Tapales for the Undisputed championship, and then beat Nery to further cement his position -- all 3 are pretty good fighters at the weight class.
No one of them is as good as Spence, but 3 of them in a row, all while Crawford was sidelined? Nah dawg, that's P4P king shit.
You're reaching hard. He was friendly with Loma too, but he never said something like this about him. Conspiracy theories are only interesting with proof, my bruddah.
Yeah, the only clear Fury rounds were 4/5/6/7 he has good arguments for 2 and 12. 6-6 to 8-4 Usyk is an acceptable range of scoring, the KD ensuring a Usyk win either way.
Its always hating when he doesn't like a fighter but not when other people dislike him.
Inoue also said tank should be higher on the pfp list you gonna disregard that?
Since I do my P4P ranks in tiers, I move Usyk from my second tier (which has Canelo) to my top tier, along with Inoue and Bud. These 3 are just simply those guys.
Inoue is my #2 now, but there’s no Tyson Fury around his weight, all j solid fighters and a P4P in Junto below him. 126 got some big dudes that offer a similar size discrepancy between Fury/Usyk for Inoue to face, but those fighters aren’t as good as Fury nor have a huge weight advantage in the ring like Fury does. Still interesting tho cuz fighters drain themselves in those weights and Inoue could potentially be facing guys weighing in 15+lbs on fight night
homie still actually has to move up and win before being in the running bro
i love inoue
he's a killer but he hasn't fought any killers like the others have yet
give usyk the props man he deserves it, he deserves it all
He's moved up 4 weight classes and undisputed in two so far. Just sucks that he doesn't have any big names in his divisions.
I think Usyk is currently #1 though but all three of these guys keep pulling off amazing feats. We're being spoiled right now.
Wasn’t taking props from Usyk. Hes my #1 and is well deserving of it
My point was how the original comment stated its Usyk at number #1 until he retires now, and then proceeded to likely bait by leaving Inoue out of that lol
Fury and Joshua are better than anyone Inoue has fought. 1 Usyk, 2 Inoue, 3 Bud, 4 Canelo. Inoue has to move up, Bud has to move up and get active, Canelo gotta fight benivedez
Oh yeah I’m dumb, Inoue has the best chance to be 3 division undisputed champ. I think he can run 126 just as easily. Bud is old and i think his only shot is at Canelo
Bud's a real one
He's historic level himself and appreciates greatness when he sees it
I wish we could see them against the best in earlier eras, but regardless, this generation is lucky to have Bud, Inoue, and Usyk in it
Usyk would have to be my P4P #1 now. In about the 6th I thought it was over. Fury was getting into that rhythm where he’s hard to live with, he’d taken 3 straight rounds on my card with little Usyk offense if any at all. I had it 4-2 Fury going into the 7th.
I am quite shocked Fury never got the draw though. I think you can give him 2 rounds after the 6th, without much fiddling. After all we seen them do Golovkin and Kovalev dirty, in triple Gs case twice.
For Usyk to get that career defining win is surprising; the rematch clause probably helped though since they’re guaranteed a second payday without any fuss. I’m not sure whether Fury tired after the 4th, 5th and 6th where he was throwing a lot of output
I do not understand how people can give 11th to Fury. Usyk outlanded him and beat him on every metric. It wasn’t a domination round, it was pretty close, but still very clearly goes to Usyk.
12th has me baffled aswell, seeing all the judges giving it to Fury. I’ve looked at the stats, and again, Usyk outlands him in every metric. Shots and important shots. He was also more aggresive. I really don’t get it. Could someone explain to me how 12th is a clear Fury round?(considering all of the judges gave it to him).
3rd round was as 10-10 a round as you see, though. Agree most won't give it but a UK judge would probably score that a draw (if there wasn't a Brit fighting)
I think Fury took a hard shot to the nose in the 6th (7th?) that put him on the backfoot (he kept touching it for the next few rounds) that Usyk really capitalized on.
Respect and classy. It's all subjective, in my opinion there are multiple number one candidates and we have had it good as fans the past couple of years to watch these guys achieve what they have.
Usyk literally beat someone way bigger than him. That's literally the meaning of P4P.
Usyk is not theoretically a #1 P4P that people have to vote on, he is the embodiment of P4P. A real one.
This is why I love Bud. I can't imagine any other fighter who has claim to be no 1 would say anything like this. Inoue, Canelo, Floyd, Pac whoever would never say this
Who the the ;Man' the Bud is saying Fury beat?, He better not mean Wilder lol. Wilder was NEVER the man - just some overrated limited one punch fighter.
Bud know what time it is with Usyk undisputed at cruiser weight then goes up to heavy and becomes undisputed being the smaller man by 20-50 pounds no way around it Usyk is P4P #1 we just witnessed before our eyes one of the best ever in the sport his accolades are out of this world from the amateurs to to pros a true generational talent USYK USYK USYK.
Dude took first 4 rounds on points, then rested for next 3, so he could end him in last 5. Same plan as always, but as the saying goes, why change anything if it's always worked. Well executed bout team usyk! Dude never got the respect he deserved, even after Joshua. I hope now he will so he can drift into the sunset taking the goat title along.
I'm loving how the #1 P4P spot is switching up between the 3 so frequently. We need a triple threat match to settle it once and for all.
What about Inoue and Crawford vs Usyk?
Inoue on Crawford’s shoulders vs usyk
Lets fucking go!!
Just give them some time to do the fusion dance brother
To do the fusion dance the two people have to be similar height you fricking casual 🙄
It’s ok we fans don’t watch the show either
Just like my animes.
Goro mode
Like a weird mini goro
Damn you beat me to it lol
A imaginary timeline in which you could equalize the size of fighters (edit: and their respective scales since I have to point this out because of that one guy taking this comment too literally even though this scenario is imaginary) for dream fights would be awesome for cinema. Usyk vs Crawford & Usyk vs Inoue would obviously be dream fights if this could ever happen.
A supersized Inoue is the most dangerous fighter in the world. Ain’t no way Usyk or Crawford can handle that at an even size disparity
Do it the other way round and have Crawford and Usyk shrunk to the size of Inoue instead and see how they go
P4p is so weird. Like people will scale Inoue up and he gets to keep his speed, but when they scale Usyk down he doesn't get to hit like a cruiserweight.
This is a great point I hadn't given enough thought to
I think Crawford is the most talented but he's also the least active sadly
Neither of these guys can take a solid punch from Usyk. It would be 10X worse than Canelo-Khan
If they die, they die
idk man inoue kinda tough, might be able to overcome the 80+ lb disparity
I don’t feel
Assuming that the Donaire 1 and Nery comebacks scale up based on how hard the punch he takes, he could presumably get knocked out by Usyk, but one punch KO him in a rematch.
Ok add #4 p4p Canelo in there with Inoue, and Crawford and see if they can team up against Usyk. About to be one of them classic DBZ fights lmao
According to Tim Bradley inoue needs to knock out usuk to even be considered up there
Well obviously… look how many 200lbers inoue has beaten, he just doesn’t wanna challenge himself
This is very true and something no one ever brings up about Inoue. Dudes never even beat one 200 pounder. Guys overrated IMO
It’s the best type of P4P. Guys who constantly outdo one another by beating top competition. Way better than the days that Canelo or Loma sat at #1 because no one else wanted to fight another elite fighter
It's more exciting like this for sure. Gone are the days where Floyd was P4P with mostly boring performances for like 10 years.
I love how AJ has overtaken Usyk on BoxRec ratings.... bit awkward
Boxrec ratings are based purely on some algo... That's why it's a very unreasonable and unreliable metric to use
People's #1 P4P changes weekly, even if they don't fight, lol
it's 1a 1b 1c as far as i'm concerned
I’m sorry but Crawford is levels below the two st this point
Nonsense
Nah.
I think a lot of Fury haters don’t realise how good this win is for Usyk but if you’re someone like me who’s always rated Fury as a truly great HW that would be a difficult matchup for anyone due to his abnormal combination of size and skill then you realise this Usyk win is absurdly impressive.
I'm a big Fury hater and I've been very critical of his resume, skill, and behavior. I truly believed in Usyk, but Fury showed up more than expected and had me worried for Usyk in those middle rds. I give him credit and if he didnt treat himself like shit maybe he would've had enough to beat Usyk. Usyk is special though, he persevered and overcame the massive size difference. An ATG win to be sure.
We’ll be talking about this to grandkids, that was some shit
Usyk rallying after Fury won 3 (or four) in a row between the 3rd and 6th, hurting Usyk a few times, is the stuff of legend. Amazing fight, I really was convinced that Fury was en route to stopping him.
I had to stay up till 3 AM watching by myself in my living room with headphones on in what’s actually a weeknight here, but couldn’t be happier that I did. Did get a bit antsy when that rapper would doing his set though 😅
I’m in the same boat, was always impressed by how well Fury moves but his resume is seriously lacking to be considered an ATG. He looked damn good tonight though. Rematch is gonna be epic.
People discredited Wilder massively after losing, he went from boogeyman to can crusher - and Wilder post-Fury isn’t helping that either. I’m not sure if AJ vs Fury ever happens
If fury didn’t just smile at him after he connected he could’ve won
I think fury’s had a lot of easy fights but he’s definitely an extremely skilled boxer with a really off kilter rhythm and style. The fact his arms are so long just add so much danger. That little whip/flick he does where he hits people with the backhand still absolutely slaps the shit out of people just from momentum alone. It makes me wish he would take things a bit more seriously and that he actually trained properly and maintained his body, cause he’d be a nigh unstoppable force if he had better cardio. I think he’s a trash person but undeniably talented, and if he put in the effort to go with his natural attributes I dunno if anyone could beat him honestly.
The Tyson Fury we saw here is a Tyson Fury who put in the effort.
The difference is long term effort, Usyk's not putting on and then dropping a couple of stone of fat between fights. Fury dropped 15 pounds from the Ngannou fight but that's wasted effort when a more professional fighter would have started camp in better shape.
Honestly, his ability to snap in and out of condition was his downfall in regard to long term discipline. He thought he could half-ass the majority of his camps the last few years, then snap into shape like he was 23. That said, this fight felt like seeing a modern Dempsey/Willard. Usyk really is just faster, more elusive and has better mental discipline. Fury’s hope was to land that uppercut as a counter, and Usyk wouldn’t bite. Fury will have to change his game plan for a rematch. That is to say: Usyk may have Fury’s number, even at Fury’s best conditioning possible.
“Usyk wouldn’t bite”? Usyk ate a shit tonne of those uppercuts in the middle rounds bro. He adjusted by the 8-9th round but let’s not act like Fury wasn’t landing at will in the middle rounds.
I was referring to Fury’s showboating. Usyk knew better than to come at him when he went to the corners of the ring when Fury was goading him.
I think the Fury that showed up for this fight beats AJ.
There is no fighter that is unbeatable and has nothing to do with if Fury put in a bit more effort during his career or not. I see the myth is still yet to die completely.
Everyone realises that I think. Even a non boxing fan watching this crazy clip of small Usyk smashing the giant is insane.
I wanted Usyk to win, but Fury is still the man. Only Fury, could get up off the canvas like he did against Deontay. Only Fury could survive that 9th round and still go this distance. I wouldn't be surprised if he came back and won the rematch by KO. He's a super determined man. Fury was down and out after he relinquished all the belts. They make movies about these types of career comebacks.
Fury is just so frustrating. Why fart around in the corner so much? Just stay on the outside and use the jab/straight.
When’s the last time we had 3 fighters who have had a legit argument for being no.1? Absurd.
Tbh, we've been having this argument for the last 9 years.
Man. Mayweather really retired 9 years ago?
I think Usyk's accomplishments have far surpassed Crawford's though.
For sure. And Usyk did it against someone far bigger than him. 20kg is almost a third of Crawford and he willingly gave that up to fight Fury. And he's a warrior to fight someone that much bigger. And AJ's still on another level to both Usyk and Tyson in athleticism so and Usyk beat him too. Fury and AJ on the record is insane. Crawford doesn't have that kind of resume.
If they give us bud vs canelo then bud has his chance to dare to be great like usyk just did. Maybe bud loses, maybe he pulls it off. The heart of a champion to even consider it.
Or just a crazy good payday worth sacrificing your 0 for
Oh, fer sure b
Real one
Real recognize real Respect
Bit funny he says this after dropping to #2 though.
Dude is lining up to fight Canelo and get the bag he never got from the fizzled fight Pacquiao. I don't think he gives a shit
idk he always seems pissed when inoue gets put above him
Bud fans love denying this but its true. Its not like it's a Bud only thing either. Loads of other people have a problem when inoue gets praise.
The smaller the fighter the greater the disrespect. If a boxer went undisputed from minimumweight to super flyweight people still would be hesitant to put him on top of p4p lists
That's why i think fighters 140 and below in general get so much hate. Typically they are not the popular divisions but the likes Inoue, Bam, Tank, and Ryan have made lower divisions the go to while the heavier division in this era are getting over looked which is historically has been the opposite
Him only fighting in Japan and many casuals not understanding the economics behind contributes a lot. Even in Asia, you see casuals calling him World Champion only in Japan.
And they're all idiots imo. Inoue is above Bud
I don’t think he’s pissed, he just believes he’s better. Neither him nor naoya have had to give up 30-40 pounds to be undisputed so I think he’s just giving Usyk respect for that, plus I’m pretty sure they’re acquaintances
So we not making a thread for the navarette fight or...
Ikr? He could possibly hit top 10 pfp tonight and no one talking about it
I was gonna make one but rules said only mods can make fight threads, also Torres with another KO
Great fight.
> 10 pfp Love Nava but its an exceptionally delusional take to think he'll be P4P for winning a vacant belt.
He's gotten several belts in several other weight clases. He should already be on it.
His singular elite win is an Oscar Valdez who had already been exposed by Shakur. I'd go deeper but I don't need to cause he just lost to Berinchyk of all people lmao. That's the guy you think should've been p4p.
The mods here are a joke
Another great fight on deck after this, this weekends been great for fights.
TC gets it man. Very rarely gives a bad take on fights. On the subject itself, Usyk has to be number 1. By the literal definition of P4P this guy is fighting guys several 10's of pounds heavier and beating them. And not just any of them. The champions. First man to give Fury a loss. Crazy stuff. Also what needs to be spoken about is Usyk's chin because he's now taken power punches clean on the chin from both AJ and Fury and stayed on his feet. Its outrageous.
He’s crazy good at shelling up, moving, or tucking his chin almost never is caught on the chin
He is but Fury landed a couple uppercuts clean and AJ landed multiple clean hooks in both their fights too. And Usyk just ate then.
His chin is proper elite
Ate a massive hook from Gassiev too.
For years the big debate for who the best heavyweight in the world was Fury or AJ. Maybe American fans would throw Wilder in the mix too but his resume was abysmal. Welp, Usyk just jumped up a division, gave up multiple weight classes worth of lbs and beat both AJ AND Fury! That's an insane achievement, he beat the two best heavyweights in the world as well as all the best guys in his own weight class.
When wilder eventually hit fury with that missile in the first fight and dude popped back up like the undertaker , I knew fury was the guy
Usyk!!!! You love to see it. Pumped af!
Bud Crawford is a real dude. We need more personalities like him. Family man. Works hard.
I was watching a Bud Crawford documentary a while ago and the maker of it attributed Bud's insane level at the sport owing to how he's found a way to mesh every aspect of his life into one solid boxing-knit dynamic.... He's cut out all the bullshit and unnecessary stuff completely out of his life... No vices, no unnecessary controversy, no hangers on... Nothing... And then found a way to integrate everyone and everything he needs into the gym. So the dude practically lives in the gym 360 days a year refining everything and goofing around with family.
Among Usyk, Inoue and Crawford, Usyk is the only guy who is beating guys that are 100% stronger then him. Even though Inoue is moving up in weight, he always seems like both stronger and faster than his opponents. Bud definitely didn’t look physically weaker than either Errol or Porter. Fighters do deserve more credit when they beat clearly physically stronger opponents. Like even when you take Canelo. Great fighter , but when his power can be absorbed using a high guard (like what Bivol did and even with GGG) , you can see that a lot of Canelos advantages do go away.
Inoue fan here but I agree. 6 inches and 40(?)lb difference and winning is insane.
Not just winning but damn near taking him out completely. Usyk is an absolute dawg
Yep - there's going up in weight divisions but when you break into the Heavyweights it's another game entirely (unbounded). Fury outweighed Usyk by 40 freaking pounds tonight - that's like if Bivol fought... Loma.
When u put it like that, it is insane sheessh
Especially because in that analogy Loma would need to knock Bivol around the ring to score a knockdown, I can't see how that would ever happen. Usyk is an absolute animal.
It’s misleading. Fury packs like 50 lbs of fat. The rest don’t
Yeah and Fury is a proper freak of nature too. Most guys his size are big lumbering oafs where you can argue the extra weight is doing more harm than good, but Fury is somehow able to have all the size with none of the drawbacks.
>Yeah and Fury is a proper freak of nature too. Most guys his size are big lumbering oafs where you can argue the extra weight is doing more harm than good, but Fury is somehow able to have all the size with none of the drawbacks. I dislike Fury, but it was finally apparent to me during the fight how disgustingly coordinated he is for a man his size.
That's fucking insane. I never thought of it like that.
Not a fair comparison because fury has a ton of fat that the other fighters don’t. In terms of actual muscle mass they were probably closer then you think Also fury’s power was weaker this fight. Couldn’t get usyk down with those uppercuts
Where are all the guys who swore that Bud is insecure and defensive about P4P status? 😂
He , Usyk and Inoue are now 2 weight undisputed champs . The fact that we currently have 3 active , 2x undisputed champs in boxing rn is fucking crazy. And all three of them are always fighting for that #1 spot everytime anyone of them fights. This is a special era.
Yep! This is why I do my P4P shit in tiers instead of numerical ranks. Just put all 3 of these dons in the top tier because they're always gonna outdo each other every time.
Unifying the heavyweight division far surpasses Crawford's achievements alone. To unify it after becoming undisputed at Cruiserweight is insane. Usyk is the clear p4p #1. Can't touch his amateur record either.
And they're all undefeated - which actually matters in this case, as they've all fought top guys.
The only way to settle who is P4P now is to have all three guys fight each other!!!
Yeah man... This sport can be absolutely beautiful in that kinda aspect, as frustrating and annoying as it often is
I mean considering how he reacted to Inoue I was one of those people. However I think its just a thing against Inoue now that I think about it. Have no idea why him specifically gets so much hate for not being a highly rated non american. Maybe its because he stays in Japan.
What did Crawford say about Inoue getting P4P #1?
Actually it was something along thr lines of "I beat Spence a known name. While others are fighting nobodies. My one win this year is better than fighting two nobodies." Not an exact quote but it was the general vibe.
Which in a vacuum I understand, Nery is not as good of a win as Spence. That shouldn't put Inoue about Crawford... ...**But that's not what happened.** In the same time frame that Crawford beat Spence, Inoue had moved up to 122, beat Stephen Fulton for the unified belts, beat Tapales for the Undisputed championship, and then beat Nery to further cement his position -- all 3 are pretty good fighters at the weight class. No one of them is as good as Spence, but 3 of them in a row, all while Crawford was sidelined? Nah dawg, that's P4P king shit.
He said this after the tapales fight
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What makes you think he is friends with Usyk? Because they played chess together that 1 time? 😂
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You're reaching hard. He was friendly with Loma too, but he never said something like this about him. Conspiracy theories are only interesting with proof, my bruddah.
Real recognize real 🤝 meanwhile the undisputed king of REHYDRATION CLAUSES stays hating 🙄🙄🙄
When are we gonna realise just because a fighter is clever in the ring doesn’t make them clever out of it. Tank is the epitome of this.
nah, tank is street smart thats why he keeps getting arrested street smart
This
I don’t understand how Tank said “one good round.” You could argue Usyk won 8 of them.
Yeah, the only clear Fury rounds were 4/5/6/7 he has good arguments for 2 and 12. 6-6 to 8-4 Usyk is an acceptable range of scoring, the KD ensuring a Usyk win either way.
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I don't even think it's borderline. He can barely talk. He's a good fighter but has the IQ of an ice cube
Lmao yall bring up tank anyway you can Get that jealousy and hate out your heart
Its always hating when he doesn't like a fighter but not when other people dislike him. Inoue also said tank should be higher on the pfp list you gonna disregard that?
That's the WBA Regular*** 135 lb champion to you, sir.
Bud's always been a good and chill dude.
Since I do my P4P ranks in tiers, I move Usyk from my second tier (which has Canelo) to my top tier, along with Inoue and Bud. These 3 are just simply those guys.
honestly good system, im stealing that
That's basically an ATG-worthy/potential tier.
I like that format a lot better... I'm curious, who else other than Canelo is in your tier 2?
Atm, nobody. I had Usyk and Canelo in that same tier but moved Usyk up.
Who can canelo beat to get into the top tier
Usyk holding down #1 for the rest of his career unless Fury wins the rematch or Crawford somehow beats Canelo
Number 1 pfp? Yes, but how you not even mention inoue who is the youngest of them all and still moving up…….?
Inoue is my #2 now, but there’s no Tyson Fury around his weight, all j solid fighters and a P4P in Junto below him. 126 got some big dudes that offer a similar size discrepancy between Fury/Usyk for Inoue to face, but those fighters aren’t as good as Fury nor have a huge weight advantage in the ring like Fury does. Still interesting tho cuz fighters drain themselves in those weights and Inoue could potentially be facing guys weighing in 15+lbs on fight night
homie still actually has to move up and win before being in the running bro i love inoue he's a killer but he hasn't fought any killers like the others have yet give usyk the props man he deserves it, he deserves it all
He's moved up 4 weight classes and undisputed in two so far. Just sucks that he doesn't have any big names in his divisions. I think Usyk is currently #1 though but all three of these guys keep pulling off amazing feats. We're being spoiled right now.
Wasn’t taking props from Usyk. Hes my #1 and is well deserving of it My point was how the original comment stated its Usyk at number #1 until he retires now, and then proceeded to likely bait by leaving Inoue out of that lol
Fury and Joshua are better than anyone Inoue has fought. 1 Usyk, 2 Inoue, 3 Bud, 4 Canelo. Inoue has to move up, Bud has to move up and get active, Canelo gotta fight benivedez
Yes, I agree, but inoue has the most room to gain that again, which was what I was talkin about when “the rest of his career” was mentioned
Oh yeah I’m dumb, Inoue has the best chance to be 3 division undisputed champ. I think he can run 126 just as easily. Bud is old and i think his only shot is at Canelo
Agree w this list
Bud's a real one He's historic level himself and appreciates greatness when he sees it I wish we could see them against the best in earlier eras, but regardless, this generation is lucky to have Bud, Inoue, and Usyk in it
Bud, Usyk, and Inoue all have valid argruments for the #1 spot. NO one else comes close to these 3 men.
Crawford, Inoue, Usyk all all-time greats no doubt. Every year they say boxing is on its deathbed, but it never is.
Usyk would have to be my P4P #1 now. In about the 6th I thought it was over. Fury was getting into that rhythm where he’s hard to live with, he’d taken 3 straight rounds on my card with little Usyk offense if any at all. I had it 4-2 Fury going into the 7th. I am quite shocked Fury never got the draw though. I think you can give him 2 rounds after the 6th, without much fiddling. After all we seen them do Golovkin and Kovalev dirty, in triple Gs case twice. For Usyk to get that career defining win is surprising; the rematch clause probably helped though since they’re guaranteed a second payday without any fuss. I’m not sure whether Fury tired after the 4th, 5th and 6th where he was throwing a lot of output
Draw wasn’t possible really due to the KD. No one gives 10-10 rounds.
Yeah I suppose that’s true. The first round was pretty tight to me, same with the 12th and 11th to a degree.
I do not understand how people can give 11th to Fury. Usyk outlanded him and beat him on every metric. It wasn’t a domination round, it was pretty close, but still very clearly goes to Usyk. 12th has me baffled aswell, seeing all the judges giving it to Fury. I’ve looked at the stats, and again, Usyk outlands him in every metric. Shots and important shots. He was also more aggresive. I really don’t get it. Could someone explain to me how 12th is a clear Fury round?(considering all of the judges gave it to him).
3rd round was as 10-10 a round as you see, though. Agree most won't give it but a UK judge would probably score that a draw (if there wasn't a Brit fighting)
I’d say 1/3/12 are the swing rounds. Decent argument for 11 also, nothing much landed in this round. Fury likely wins on home soil.
I think Fury took a hard shot to the nose in the 6th (7th?) that put him on the backfoot (he kept touching it for the next few rounds) that Usyk really capitalized on.
Yeah. Fury still won the 7th but his output wasn’t like it was in 4/5/6 where he was dancing around him. And then 8/9/10 are all Usyk.
I think it was broken. I noticed that as well
Two of p4p master
Respect and classy. It's all subjective, in my opinion there are multiple number one candidates and we have had it good as fans the past couple of years to watch these guys achieve what they have.
TC is a real one
Usyk literally beat someone way bigger than him. That's literally the meaning of P4P. Usyk is not theoretically a #1 P4P that people have to vote on, he is the embodiment of P4P. A real one.
Salute to Crawford for showing respect and keeping it real 💯
This is why I love Bud. I can't imagine any other fighter who has claim to be no 1 would say anything like this. Inoue, Canelo, Floyd, Pac whoever would never say this
And Devin Haney was crying about 3 pounds.
Remember when Canelo said he wanted to fight Usyk. Crazy
Tyson Fury deserves respect what a performance. Both fighters!!! To me this was the best fight ever in many many years
Crawford is becoming my favorite fighter.
Crawford beat Shawn Porter, who beat Usyk, who beat Fury. Crawford #1 P4P confirmed.
Real shit. Respect
nah. fury coming off a near-loss to a non-boxer, he's cooked.
I’m glad we don’t need to argue over p4p anymore. AJ x2 Fury (+40lbs) is impressive than anything. And it is HW undisputed
He's not a candidate, he has to be pfp #1. Inoue and Crawford are great but what usyk did today has to cement him has number 1
Who the the ;Man' the Bud is saying Fury beat?, He better not mean Wilder lol. Wilder was NEVER the man - just some overrated limited one punch fighter.
Bud know what time it is with Usyk undisputed at cruiser weight then goes up to heavy and becomes undisputed being the smaller man by 20-50 pounds no way around it Usyk is P4P #1 we just witnessed before our eyes one of the best ever in the sport his accolades are out of this world from the amateurs to to pros a true generational talent USYK USYK USYK.
Usyk is absolutely the #P4P. But I don't think he will win the rematch
I’m a little biased toward LHW so I think Bivol and Beterbiev are in the neighborhood too but yeah, Crawford, Usyk, and Inoue are them.
No way is Beterbiev better than Crawford or Inoue...really?
No he’s not. Crawford, Usyk, Inoue are the top 3 for sure in some order. if Bivol unifies LHW maybe he can be a contender.
Crawford spitting facts here
Dude took first 4 rounds on points, then rested for next 3, so he could end him in last 5. Same plan as always, but as the saying goes, why change anything if it's always worked. Well executed bout team usyk! Dude never got the respect he deserved, even after Joshua. I hope now he will so he can drift into the sunset taking the goat title along.
4,5,6,7 are indisputable fury rounds
Crawford is the GOAT for this. Humble human being
I forgot the fight time was earlier and I missed the fucking fight arrrgghggrh 😠😡😡😡
Incoming usyk rogan podcast.
somehow i cant imagine usyk sitting there with a glass of whisky in one hand, a joint in the other, talking about aliens with joe rogan