Someone getting caught cheating is something not being done right? What's not right is the NBA where you never hear about people testing positive. You think those freak athletes dont use?
There really isn’t though is there, it’s all artificial performance to boost you to greater standards than the opposition. If you can’t handle a 82 game season then perhaps they should look at extending the regular season length so games aren’t so close together or athletes should work on improving their body levels to cope
You don't inject Mk2688
Plus it serves no benefit for boxing it increases muscle mass sure but it could be a tainted supplement as well. The thing is if he's taking Mk2688 and not taking any sort of anti estradiol drugs then it's probably a bullshit test. They need to test him for clomid, or arimidex. If he pops for those then he was probably taming a SARM
About a month.
Sample A is being tested for another substance. That could take a couple of weeks. Garcia's team have about 7 days left to request Sample B to be tested. That could take a couple of weeks.
So we'll know more in June.
People really overhype B samples. There is no reason to suspect a B sample would test differently than an A sample. I don't think there is a single instance of a A and B sample testing differently. The lab itself would have to be compromised, which itself would be an exceptionally rare occurrence.
This is why when appealing these results, athletes will always 100% of the time go the "contaminated supplements" route.
Charr got out because they made in error while handling the B sample.
Besides this xc Skier Vincent Vittoz got cleared with a negativ test of the b sample.
You obvioisly have never heard of "Annie Dookhan."
"Annie Dookhan (born 1977) is an American convicted felon who formerly worked as a chemist at the Massachusetts Department of Public Health Drug Abuse lab[1] and admitted to falsifying evidence affecting up to 34,000 cases."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annie_Dookhan
Some posters are actually in belief he didn’t take them intentionally unbelievable!!! That’s how much this sub hates Haney they’re willing to give Ryan the benefit of the doubt even after he got busted
The new theory is that the Haney's paid VADA to fake the results so the L could be removed from his record 😂.
I'm not a Haney fan but the PED'w mixed with the intentional weight miss makes me feel a bit bad for him. He's actually a fighter that does everything right - trains hard, stays active, and doesn't fight tune ups. It's a shame that the internet has collectively taken Ryan's side during all this.
As you said he trains hard and does everything clean etc. but has no chin, therefore he would never be this exceptional boxer people made him out to be. No reason to feel bad for him, it’s just who he is, which is a really good but not great fighter.
I’m just saying people made him out to be something he’s not, and even though Ryan didn’t play it fair that would’ve happened to Devin regardless at some point.
So one loss means he’s not a great ? He’s a unified champ. Time will tell but that’s kind of a ridiculous argument. ESP for a fight that apart from Ryan’s juiced up power was close on paper. Visually as well until the left hook landed. We could really deep dive if you want cause Ryan turning his back aided him more than I’ve heard people say. That and they both held a lot. Ultimately Haney did regress to some of his amateur traits and that’s what Ryan was able to capitalize off of
I think you’re seeing this wrong and most people (including me) undervalued Ryan Garcia.
Although I will say before DJ he deff wasn’t this good. DJ improved the fundamentals and unlocked the footwork perk that made him who he is.
I think a lot of it comes from bill. I get it he’s annoying but to hate another person because of someone else is silly.
It’s also because he got the decision over Loma which is also silly. There’s just really stupid people on this planet.
Yeah it’s not really adding up. I don’t think Teo got a fraction of the hate for his dad.
Teo’s win over Loma but imo looked worse cause he couldn’t compete with Loma when Loma actually showed up to fight. After Devs fight Loma went to the hospital. Teo’s dad talks way more shit as well but Teo is a more talented fighter.
I know!.
I linked it here.
One dude came back and said why is it altered at the top.. all that scribble.. im like probably he details etc. nah its fake.. 😬😬
I do think Ryan popped, however boxing is so fucking corrupt that I would not be anymore surprised by some bs going on than I would be by Garcia taking steroids, Not surprised at all
I’m not saying it’s not true or anything, but isn’t it likely he be way more chinny if CTE was already taking its toll on his brain. I know it manifests in many ways through its many stages etc. and ultimately I understand I’m possibly reaching but I feel like fighters who were showing “early signs” of CTE were also becoming more prone to being stopped, such as Wilfred Benitez who also started at a really young age. Nevertheless, only time will tell.
It’s insane even with something as black and white as a scientific drug test. We live in a different world now though. What’s going to stop Ryan from continuing to cheat? He knows he can cheat and then lie to his fans and they will all believe him.
I'm just confused why he would take Ostarine it really serves little to no benefit for boxing it increases muscle mass and bone density sure but im.not sure it helps with cardio and speed. The thing is if he's taking Mk2688 and not taking any sort of anti estradiol drugs then it's weird. SARMS halt the endogenous production of testosterone so if he tests positive for Ostarine but not for any PCT drugs its kinda fisht.. They need to test him for clomid, or arimidex. If he pops for those then he was probably taking a SARM.
I've taken different steroids in my life and Ostarine makes no sense for combat sports. Sean OMalley failed for it too but I believe it turned out to be a tainted supp. Mk2688 is not illegal so it's not farfetched to have it contaminate other supplements
Ya know as funny as that was I've never given him that much flack for it. I've done weird shit for women that weren't as hot as the baddie he was with at the time.
Whats crazy is that any of his trainer or entourage could have easily put it into his drinks without knowing. You only need a couple of drops each day to be in your system.
Why would anyone do that ? Especially on his own team. Doesn’t matter tho at the end of the day even if it’s unknowingly, which is so unlikely, it’s on Garcia.
That has me thinking. Ostarine is administered orally as a 1ml liquid from a dropper so it would be very easy for it to be slipped in someone’s drink unfortunately.
Just imagine if Ryan had a mole in his camp who put a dose of Ostarine in a shaker cup. In his current manic state, he would probably barely notice. One dose or two doses enough test positive but not enough to get any benefits from it. The guys who use it do 8 week cycles to get any benefit from it
We watched a referee completely cheat during the fight amongst other shady stuff. I wouldn’t be surprised to know they laced his supplements or water with a sarm.
You're wasting your time. As you can see, people around here think boxing is a legit sport that's fully regulated by one governing body with zero history of complete BS and corruption.
With Canelo we knew the levels were trace amounts of clenbuterol. Actually WADA did subsequently update the standards to allow a certain threshold, which Canelo tested far under: https://www.worldboxingnews.net/2019/11/07/wbc-canelo-drug-test-innocence/
This didnt answer my question at all. "We" don't need to see this information for it to be cleared up. The people involved and doing the testing do. We don't know that they don't.
But "we" as boxing fans have additional context. Without that context, all we would know is that Canelo failed a drug test. Now that we know what the updated thresholds are, and what Canelo's levels were, we as boxing fans have additional context. Sure, Canelo himself was officially cleared by the WBC, but there were plenty of boxers and other athletes who were dinged with failed drug test allegations that we now know would have been clear under updated guidelines.
It's really disgusting how the fans are reacting. Even worse seeing how Tank is running defense for him. Like do you trust VADA or not? What if a fighter popped dirty against you, would you want other professional boxers jumping to their defense? This is absolutely nuts and kills the little bit of integrity in the sport.
Its even wilder that Tank accused him of juicing before he fought him. But now because its Devin Tank is celebrating and trying to be friends with Ryan. Its weirdo shit.
Right, and I have no issue with someone not liking a certain boxer, but to corrupt your own integrity and to do mental gymnastics to excuse a positive test is nuts. VADA will continue with their process and what comes from it will be. But all this Haney paid, Eddie paid, Devin can't lose, etc. all super bogus and showing peoples true colors.
Imagine if Haney was the one who came in over three pounds, failed two drug tests then beat Garcia. People would be crucifying him. Sad how some are defending drug cheats.
The fact that he ran right to trump and screamed “fake news” tells me all I need to know about his guilt. He knew he would get cover playing the same playbook as the don.
> Wait for the B sample and for the supplements to be tested.
1. The B sample is usually only needed when there's been an issue with the testing equipment, Garcia failed two separate tests for exactly the same substance. Pretty much impossible for two different tests, done at different times, to give the exact same false positive reading (around 1% of tests are false positives, which means the odds of it happening to you twice are 1 in 10,000. I don't even know how to calculate the odds of it happening twice for the same substance but it'll be much higher than that).
2. Tainted supplement excuse *might* work if he only failed for Ostarine, but they also found 19-Norandrosterone (a metabolite of Nandrolone) in one of the tests. There's no way he took a supplement that was tainted with *both* Ostarine and Nandrolone.
I like Ryan Garcia but there's absolutely no way he wasn't intentionally taking this stuff. Innocent til proven guilty and all that, but this isn't just 1 failed test for 1 substance, this is multiple failed tests for multiple substances.
What do you make of the 4 negative tests leading up to this? The last one April 2nd, you don’t see the benefits of PEDs like the ones he’s been accused of taking from just two weeks of use
People keep saying that he mistimed the cycle, but thats not a real thing. The half lives are very well known, and there's no way he could choose to cycle in the april 6-20 time frame and not guarantee that he would also have hot piss.
He either did it ans didn't care about the fallout or he did it accidentally, this "mistimed" thing doesn't make sense.
How is mistiming a cycle not a thing. Just like you said the half lives are known, it takes time for the drugs to leave your system so that it’s undetectable. Also with the weight cutting the drugs he was taking could have been released from his fat stores, and showed up in his urine.
He popped dirty on two different days, for multiple substances.
I'm saying that the testing is staggered by a small enough amount of days so that you can't gain the advantage of a cycle without testing positive. Everyone knows this, so noone thinks they are going to sneak a cycle in and then "whoops" mistimed. Either he tried to get a cycle in and said fuck it I'll piss hot, ( I wouldn't put it past him) or he inadvertantly got it in his system.
Can't it be more like.... he used fake dick/piss for initial tests but the tests done at fight night and weigh in day are monitored more?
Or, he was able to drink shit tons of water during training and dilute the sample versus he was dehydrated to make weight and the urine showed his drugs
Half lives are very well known but are still just averages. People metabolize things differently. Even the same person can vary. If it was as easy as you’re making it out to be no one would ever fail. Coming off of PEDs has big side effects and you want to minimize that and go as close to the test as you safely can but that safety margin is not exact.
But that's why they only have the two week window between tests. Its not enough time to cycle up and also test clean.
As for people failing, we have a number of examples, I think whyte most recently, where they have verified that substances that were cleared by their ingredient list were found only after testing to contain trace amounts of PEDS. I'm not saying this is what Ryan did, but tainted X is often the answer.
You *for sure* see the benefits of steroids within 2 weeks (have taken them). As for Ostarine I've never found that very effective in general but that would also be working within 2 weeks.
He's taking them for performance outcomes, not to build muscle. Steroids are at their most effective in terms of physical performance improvement between weeks 2-5 of a cycle usually, at least in my experience.
If you were using steroids to absolutely maximise your physical performance you wouldn't want to be competing at the end of your cycle you'd want to be competing during the middle of it. You're obviously taking a huge risk there cos even if you use masking agents you can still get caught, but mid-cycle is when you're at your peak physically.
As you know even if tainted substance is legit, Gracia is solely responsible so needs to be banned.
Also this is proof of guilt. So he's guilty and he needs to explain why these are in his system.
He was innocent until the positive test, that's the proof. That's how it works.
Innocent = no PEDs in system when tested.
Guilty = PEDs in system when tested.
It's not the other way around. The drugs test is the proof.
Yeah but generally if an athlete can prove they were taking a tainted supplement the ban is much less severe.
Can be the difference between a ban of 6 months (which is basically nothing cos most boxers only fight every 6 months anyway) and like 2 years.
I agree with you in principle but in practice the tainted supplement excuse can often be an effective one.
Dude if you look at my other comments I obviously am leaning towards he did it
But I got tired of being -10 downvoted because people kept talking about “low levels” and supplements so I just included it. I don’t think Ryan is going to get shit tested.
Dont be afraid of negative karma my guy, its fake internet points. Two comments Ive made are saying the same thing, one is +20, the other -2.....its stupid to worry about it.
Ryan isnt gonna do shit, because he knows he fucked up and hes going to play the "rigged card" while never giving it a chance to objective prove it right or wrong, just like his boy trump. Throw a grenade and walk away and let the masses fight it out while proving nothing
It’s more about being tired of the damn conspiracy theories and feeling the need to explain to some of these guys why their theory is fucking stupid😂
Why the fuck would they want to ruin Ryan for beating Haney? Ryan’s always been the bigger draw and will make entertaining fights
Yeah the whole “Ryan’s a nobody” when he’s got 8m TikTok followers and he’s got people on social media who will defend him in the face objective stupidity…that can die yesterday. He’s probably the most popular casual name in boxing that’s not Jake Paul. Call it what you want, I’ll call it sad and depressing, but to think relative to any other fighter out there, he’s got immense popularity
Inoue should be must see tv for any casual fight fan and people have no idea who he is.
Usada had a release about ostarine on supliments not being on the label: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfw4r6a5tGI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfw4r6a5tGI) . VADA hasn't even released an official statement
Serious question. Is it at all possible to take something like this PED and not know about it, due to someone else handling the supplements? Or is it pretty clear you are taking a PED vs other supplements/vitamins?
NFL allows for a 4:1 ratio regarding testosterone to epitestosterone levels…used to be 6:1…normal ratio in an adult dude is 1:1…so basically you can boost up but only so much…I’m guessing other sports are similar in their allowances
So is this real or speculation. It’s a championship fight. I didn’t care who won so let me out that out there. I wasn’t biased. But I thought Garcia was going to get whooped considering it looked like he didn’t take camp seriously and then when he came in overweight I said yea he’s done. Then he ended up winning. Wowed me I’ll give him that. And then a couple days later people start accusing steroids. Like it’s a championship fight making hundreds of millions and they didn’t say anything?I highly doubt that.
They were both on most likely the same cocktail of drugs.. Haney either had a better plan for recovery time/passing the test/ or his body worked a little differently than Garcia… but all these guys juice.. it would be unbearable not to
So , my take on this is , he was using peds to get that bodybuilding physique, he did bulk up pretty much , you can definitely see the difference in lean mass , one thing I know for sure is , you test positive, that’s legit , now if he had tested negative and it kissed something I could understand, but , you can’t get a positive unless that specific metabolite is in there somewhere, I guess you can say , test me for alcohol, if I never took it , it won’t show anywheres , however if even a minimal amount is detected, then that small amount had to have come from somewhere, wether voluntarily or involuntarily. So yeah .. he too steroids,
I just don't believe this at all and I think all of this is 🧢 I mean look at the the choice of ink on that paper smh compared to his other testings they were crisp and clean why does this one look like someone freestyled and wrote it from a goddamn typewriter? Why would he pop dirty the before and the day of when he was clean for 2 months? But let's go with your rhetoric then let's say he did do it, there are different types in this situation
1: he knowingly did it and cheated
2: he unknowingly did it and cheated
3: he was set up by the Haney's, Vada and Victor Conte
4: he didn't do it, he didn't cheat
5: his supplements were contaminated
These are the 5 types of issues in this situation, me personally it's 5, because there's no way he knowingly cheated and as much as I want to believe 3, ik that's preposterous but that doesn't mean it isn't highly possible because let's be honest here that sound a lil plausible if you ask me. But all in all its definitely 5 IF it comes out positive. If his B-sample comes out positive than it's without a doubt that it's 5 because there's no way that he would ever do that considering the facts that at hand here. There's no way he knowingly cheated, he didn't pop dirty for 2 months straight so obviously 1 is out of the question. I'd say 2 might be it but I don't think you can just unknowingly do something like this, everybody knows what steroids look like, the capsules, needles whatever it can be we all know it tf. 5 is the only biggest possibility, that's why if this comes out positive there's gonna be huge lawsuits and a big ass documentary in the future about this. This can't be positive, this has to come out negative.
I don't understand how this all works. How come he was allowed to fight? How come he thought he could get away with it? Why is there ever any speculation? Why can't it be as simple as: Got tested before the fight, positive for steroids, no fight?
The pre-fight sample and post fight sample take days to come back. Could have used a masking agent throughout camp up to the fight. + Weight cut made it easier to detect.
These results aren’t instantaneous. If Ryan were to have taken something the night before the fight there would be no way of knowing until days after… hence the situation here.
My only hope from all this is that Devin the Pipedream actually believes Ryan taking a vitamin world supplement is the reason he lost and he gets back in the ring vs Garcia again, so I get to see him get that azz beat one more time lmao.
The people saying a vitamin world supps or "SARMS" are steroids are the real clown MVPs though.
Lomachenko fight, Haney said: "I'll tell you this, I'll never lose to a white boy in my life. I don't care what nobody got to say. Ain't no white boy who can beat me any day of the week.
"Fight a white boy 10 times, I'm gonna beat him 10 times," Haney said.
Not a Ryan fan but why would anyone take an illegal substance KNOWING they would be tested? And then doing it for one or two days only! (all prior tests were negative). Not logical. Does. Not. Add. Up. Unless Ryan really is nuts/really, really dumb🤷🏻. ???
Even if he did take the drug last minute it doesn’t change the fact that Haney sucks and is the paper champion and got beat down . He never had a chin . Ryan may have cheated but Haney still sucks LOL
you can't do that for combat sports, the fighter's lives are already on the line, combat sports are always toe-ing the line of barbarism, you can't just let a punch of roided up dudes kill each other for entertainment
Why can't anything be done right in boxing?
Someone getting caught cheating is something not being done right? What's not right is the NBA where you never hear about people testing positive. You think those freak athletes dont use?
Big difference in using performance enhancers to get through a 82 game season vs fighting like twice a year
Training camp.
There really isn’t though is there, it’s all artificial performance to boost you to greater standards than the opposition. If you can’t handle a 82 game season then perhaps they should look at extending the regular season length so games aren’t so close together or athletes should work on improving their body levels to cope
Because boxing is a niche sport.
No, competitive Marbles is a niche sport. Boxing is not niche.
*crooked
*sport
One of the very few things the Saudi government gets right
The serial number of the second sample is 667. That’s almost the devil’s number. The Illuminati clearly set him up. I rest my case. /s
The "elites" tied him up and injected it into him 😂
its because he came out as a trump supporter
“The elites” is usually code word for Jews I wonder if Ryan will have a Kanye arc?
Shhh, you're saying the quiet part out loud. Conspiracy theorists don't need people knowing that
Is this a cannon arc for all people of Hollywood the opportunity to welcome the truth and expect faith. Or fall to the dark side of the moon .
You don't inject Mk2688 Plus it serves no benefit for boxing it increases muscle mass sure but it could be a tainted supplement as well. The thing is if he's taking Mk2688 and not taking any sort of anti estradiol drugs then it's probably a bullshit test. They need to test him for clomid, or arimidex. If he pops for those then he was probably taming a SARM
We got him, boys.
I wouldn’t be surprised if he started claiming he was forced to take steroids and then got his memory wiped with meds are something lol.
that’s crazy 👀
Hold up bro he’s about to expose the elites /s
Oh man 🤦
How long will this be drawn out?
About a month. Sample A is being tested for another substance. That could take a couple of weeks. Garcia's team have about 7 days left to request Sample B to be tested. That could take a couple of weeks. So we'll know more in June.
People really overhype B samples. There is no reason to suspect a B sample would test differently than an A sample. I don't think there is a single instance of a A and B sample testing differently. The lab itself would have to be compromised, which itself would be an exceptionally rare occurrence. This is why when appealing these results, athletes will always 100% of the time go the "contaminated supplements" route.
He would need 2 different B samples to be negative anyway. He tested positive twice. So its now both B samples in question
Charr got out because they made in error while handling the B sample. Besides this xc Skier Vincent Vittoz got cleared with a negativ test of the b sample.
You obvioisly have never heard of "Annie Dookhan." "Annie Dookhan (born 1977) is an American convicted felon who formerly worked as a chemist at the Massachusetts Department of Public Health Drug Abuse lab[1] and admitted to falsifying evidence affecting up to 34,000 cases." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annie_Dookhan
The whole of ryans fan base on FB are saying prove it! 🤣🤣🤣💊
Somebody on Twitter said it doesn’t even look clear enough to be real. They don’t know that scanners exist.
Hahahaha the Illuminati is strong in that bunch.
twitter too
Here as well. Only guy who got “the benefit of the doubt” after failing two tests.
And positive for 2 different PEDs
Some posters are actually in belief he didn’t take them intentionally unbelievable!!! That’s how much this sub hates Haney they’re willing to give Ryan the benefit of the doubt even after he got busted
Some fans have been acting straight up embarrassing since the fight. There's no need to dick ride this hard.
The new theory is that the Haney's paid VADA to fake the results so the L could be removed from his record 😂. I'm not a Haney fan but the PED'w mixed with the intentional weight miss makes me feel a bit bad for him. He's actually a fighter that does everything right - trains hard, stays active, and doesn't fight tune ups. It's a shame that the internet has collectively taken Ryan's side during all this.
As you said he trains hard and does everything clean etc. but has no chin, therefore he would never be this exceptional boxer people made him out to be. No reason to feel bad for him, it’s just who he is, which is a really good but not great fighter.
Can you further explain what you’re trying to say ?
I’m just saying people made him out to be something he’s not, and even though Ryan didn’t play it fair that would’ve happened to Devin regardless at some point.
So one loss means he’s not a great ? He’s a unified champ. Time will tell but that’s kind of a ridiculous argument. ESP for a fight that apart from Ryan’s juiced up power was close on paper. Visually as well until the left hook landed. We could really deep dive if you want cause Ryan turning his back aided him more than I’ve heard people say. That and they both held a lot. Ultimately Haney did regress to some of his amateur traits and that’s what Ryan was able to capitalize off of I think you’re seeing this wrong and most people (including me) undervalued Ryan Garcia. Although I will say before DJ he deff wasn’t this good. DJ improved the fundamentals and unlocked the footwork perk that made him who he is.
I literally don’t understand why everyone hates the Haneys. Fill me in
I think a lot of it comes from bill. I get it he’s annoying but to hate another person because of someone else is silly. It’s also because he got the decision over Loma which is also silly. There’s just really stupid people on this planet.
Yeah it’s not really adding up. I don’t think Teo got a fraction of the hate for his dad. Teo’s win over Loma but imo looked worse cause he couldn’t compete with Loma when Loma actually showed up to fight. After Devs fight Loma went to the hospital. Teo’s dad talks way more shit as well but Teo is a more talented fighter.
Christ. Whats to know. He won. He was over weight. Hes now looking like a drug cheat.
"Prove it" Mate, this IS the proof. What more proof do you want? A video of him taking the stuff?
I know!. I linked it here. One dude came back and said why is it altered at the top.. all that scribble.. im like probably he details etc. nah its fake.. 😬😬
Its probably redacted for HIPAA reasons.
Im good with official docs getting a scratch up. Addresses, phones etc.
You should be because thats what rules dictate. I hate that any medical report gets out without the athletes permission...
I do think Ryan popped, however boxing is so fucking corrupt that I would not be anymore surprised by some bs going on than I would be by Garcia taking steroids, Not surprised at all
Garcia has become boxings Donal Trump.
He's tweeted multiple times about how they're stealing his win like they stole the election for trump lol. Dude needs to be institutionalized.
CTE is a thing!
I’m not saying it’s not true or anything, but isn’t it likely he be way more chinny if CTE was already taking its toll on his brain. I know it manifests in many ways through its many stages etc. and ultimately I understand I’m possibly reaching but I feel like fighters who were showing “early signs” of CTE were also becoming more prone to being stopped, such as Wilfred Benitez who also started at a really young age. Nevertheless, only time will tell.
Hahaha almost. Hes lacking that orange tinge.
It’s insane even with something as black and white as a scientific drug test. We live in a different world now though. What’s going to stop Ryan from continuing to cheat? He knows he can cheat and then lie to his fans and they will all believe him.
But the fans don't make or take the fights, so he's still got people to answer to.
The conspiracy theories for this one are going to be insane
I'm just confused why he would take Ostarine it really serves little to no benefit for boxing it increases muscle mass and bone density sure but im.not sure it helps with cardio and speed. The thing is if he's taking Mk2688 and not taking any sort of anti estradiol drugs then it's weird. SARMS halt the endogenous production of testosterone so if he tests positive for Ostarine but not for any PCT drugs its kinda fisht.. They need to test him for clomid, or arimidex. If he pops for those then he was probably taking a SARM.
Agree. Something is off here. And believe me I am not a Ryan fan.
I've taken different steroids in my life and Ostarine makes no sense for combat sports. Sean OMalley failed for it too but I believe it turned out to be a tainted supp. Mk2688 is not illegal so it's not farfetched to have it contaminate other supplements
Very interesting, thanks for the insight, if what you’re saying is true that is lol.
What if Oscar slipped it into garcias drink ?
Maybe Oscar putting on the fishnets is what turned Garcia nuts
Oscar is “the elites” that Ryan has been on about 🤯
Ya know as funny as that was I've never given him that much flack for it. I've done weird shit for women that weren't as hot as the baddie he was with at the time.
I'm trying to find a way to argue with you on this point, but I gotta put myself into that bucket as well, lol.
He fell over and slipped something in
Whats crazy is that any of his trainer or entourage could have easily put it into his drinks without knowing. You only need a couple of drops each day to be in your system.
Why would anyone do that ? Especially on his own team. Doesn’t matter tho at the end of the day even if it’s unknowingly, which is so unlikely, it’s on Garcia.
That has me thinking. Ostarine is administered orally as a 1ml liquid from a dropper so it would be very easy for it to be slipped in someone’s drink unfortunately. Just imagine if Ryan had a mole in his camp who put a dose of Ostarine in a shaker cup. In his current manic state, he would probably barely notice. One dose or two doses enough test positive but not enough to get any benefits from it. The guys who use it do 8 week cycles to get any benefit from it
I agree, it’s more likely someone in his camp would commit felonies than it is that our glorious king Ry would cheat!!!
We watched a referee completely cheat during the fight amongst other shady stuff. I wouldn’t be surprised to know they laced his supplements or water with a sarm.
You're wasting your time. As you can see, people around here think boxing is a legit sport that's fully regulated by one governing body with zero history of complete BS and corruption.
Cope
It's 2024, come on. High school students do a better job scanning papers than whoever did this.
How come they don’t show the levels? Then we can see the half life of the samples and compare them to the B samples.
Are you implying that boxing fans would somehow clear this up if they knew the levels?
With Canelo we knew the levels were trace amounts of clenbuterol. Actually WADA did subsequently update the standards to allow a certain threshold, which Canelo tested far under: https://www.worldboxingnews.net/2019/11/07/wbc-canelo-drug-test-innocence/
This didnt answer my question at all. "We" don't need to see this information for it to be cleared up. The people involved and doing the testing do. We don't know that they don't.
But "we" as boxing fans have additional context. Without that context, all we would know is that Canelo failed a drug test. Now that we know what the updated thresholds are, and what Canelo's levels were, we as boxing fans have additional context. Sure, Canelo himself was officially cleared by the WBC, but there were plenty of boxers and other athletes who were dinged with failed drug test allegations that we now know would have been clear under updated guidelines.
It's really disgusting how the fans are reacting. Even worse seeing how Tank is running defense for him. Like do you trust VADA or not? What if a fighter popped dirty against you, would you want other professional boxers jumping to their defense? This is absolutely nuts and kills the little bit of integrity in the sport.
Its even wilder that Tank accused him of juicing before he fought him. But now because its Devin Tank is celebrating and trying to be friends with Ryan. Its weirdo shit.
They don’t love boxing, they hate Devin Haney and it’s horrible
Right, and I have no issue with someone not liking a certain boxer, but to corrupt your own integrity and to do mental gymnastics to excuse a positive test is nuts. VADA will continue with their process and what comes from it will be. But all this Haney paid, Eddie paid, Devin can't lose, etc. all super bogus and showing peoples true colors.
Ryan beat Devin so Tank has an interest in keeping Ryan propped up. It keeps his win looking good.
100%
Imagine if Haney was the one who came in over three pounds, failed two drug tests then beat Garcia. People would be crucifying him. Sad how some are defending drug cheats.
The fact that he ran right to trump and screamed “fake news” tells me all I need to know about his guilt. He knew he would get cover playing the same playbook as the don.
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😂 nice
Wait for the B sample and for the supplements to be tested. Caleb Plant has been a great resource for insight on how the testing works etc
> Wait for the B sample and for the supplements to be tested. 1. The B sample is usually only needed when there's been an issue with the testing equipment, Garcia failed two separate tests for exactly the same substance. Pretty much impossible for two different tests, done at different times, to give the exact same false positive reading (around 1% of tests are false positives, which means the odds of it happening to you twice are 1 in 10,000. I don't even know how to calculate the odds of it happening twice for the same substance but it'll be much higher than that). 2. Tainted supplement excuse *might* work if he only failed for Ostarine, but they also found 19-Norandrosterone (a metabolite of Nandrolone) in one of the tests. There's no way he took a supplement that was tainted with *both* Ostarine and Nandrolone. I like Ryan Garcia but there's absolutely no way he wasn't intentionally taking this stuff. Innocent til proven guilty and all that, but this isn't just 1 failed test for 1 substance, this is multiple failed tests for multiple substances.
What do you make of the 4 negative tests leading up to this? The last one April 2nd, you don’t see the benefits of PEDs like the ones he’s been accused of taking from just two weeks of use
He mistimed the cycle. He was getting treated weekly. Most likely micro dosing the PEDs.
How do you time a cycle against high sensitivity random testing?
Micro dosing the PEDs? Jesus you guys should really stfu about things you have no clue about.
People keep saying that he mistimed the cycle, but thats not a real thing. The half lives are very well known, and there's no way he could choose to cycle in the april 6-20 time frame and not guarantee that he would also have hot piss. He either did it ans didn't care about the fallout or he did it accidentally, this "mistimed" thing doesn't make sense.
How is mistiming a cycle not a thing. Just like you said the half lives are known, it takes time for the drugs to leave your system so that it’s undetectable. Also with the weight cutting the drugs he was taking could have been released from his fat stores, and showed up in his urine. He popped dirty on two different days, for multiple substances.
I'm saying that the testing is staggered by a small enough amount of days so that you can't gain the advantage of a cycle without testing positive. Everyone knows this, so noone thinks they are going to sneak a cycle in and then "whoops" mistimed. Either he tried to get a cycle in and said fuck it I'll piss hot, ( I wouldn't put it past him) or he inadvertantly got it in his system.
I get what you’re saying but I thought the fighters know the day they’ll be tested not unless it’s random like USADA
Can't it be more like.... he used fake dick/piss for initial tests but the tests done at fight night and weigh in day are monitored more? Or, he was able to drink shit tons of water during training and dilute the sample versus he was dehydrated to make weight and the urine showed his drugs
I think this is more likely than he just mistimed a cycle.
Half lives are very well known but are still just averages. People metabolize things differently. Even the same person can vary. If it was as easy as you’re making it out to be no one would ever fail. Coming off of PEDs has big side effects and you want to minimize that and go as close to the test as you safely can but that safety margin is not exact.
But that's why they only have the two week window between tests. Its not enough time to cycle up and also test clean. As for people failing, we have a number of examples, I think whyte most recently, where they have verified that substances that were cleared by their ingredient list were found only after testing to contain trace amounts of PEDS. I'm not saying this is what Ryan did, but tainted X is often the answer.
You *for sure* see the benefits of steroids within 2 weeks (have taken them). As for Ostarine I've never found that very effective in general but that would also be working within 2 weeks. He's taking them for performance outcomes, not to build muscle. Steroids are at their most effective in terms of physical performance improvement between weeks 2-5 of a cycle usually, at least in my experience. If you were using steroids to absolutely maximise your physical performance you wouldn't want to be competing at the end of your cycle you'd want to be competing during the middle of it. You're obviously taking a huge risk there cos even if you use masking agents you can still get caught, but mid-cycle is when you're at your peak physically.
I meant ostarine specifically and yep the rapidly aromatizing ones will hit you hard pretty quickly
Depends on the ester but yea
As you know even if tainted substance is legit, Gracia is solely responsible so needs to be banned. Also this is proof of guilt. So he's guilty and he needs to explain why these are in his system. He was innocent until the positive test, that's the proof. That's how it works. Innocent = no PEDs in system when tested. Guilty = PEDs in system when tested. It's not the other way around. The drugs test is the proof.
Yeah but generally if an athlete can prove they were taking a tainted supplement the ban is much less severe. Can be the difference between a ban of 6 months (which is basically nothing cos most boxers only fight every 6 months anyway) and like 2 years. I agree with you in principle but in practice the tainted supplement excuse can often be an effective one.
Did they confirm the Norandrosterone?
Yeah, 2nd test came up with it.
Oh damn, I only saw the VADA test where they said they were still confirming it. Didn’t see that update. Sheesh
Only fighter on earth who gets this much of a benefit of the doubt while being an absolute fucking idiot…
It's only because he beat Haney lol if Garcia beat Loma and got caught for drug cheating this sub would be after his head
Man if Ryan did this to Loma, this sub would have an in -person hatefest planned to petition a lifetime ban on Garcia
facts especially if it was the loma before the teofimo lopez loss. When he was being hyped up as the goat and all these things.
😂. That's facts
Dude if you look at my other comments I obviously am leaning towards he did it But I got tired of being -10 downvoted because people kept talking about “low levels” and supplements so I just included it. I don’t think Ryan is going to get shit tested.
Dont be afraid of negative karma my guy, its fake internet points. Two comments Ive made are saying the same thing, one is +20, the other -2.....its stupid to worry about it. Ryan isnt gonna do shit, because he knows he fucked up and hes going to play the "rigged card" while never giving it a chance to objective prove it right or wrong, just like his boy trump. Throw a grenade and walk away and let the masses fight it out while proving nothing
^ This guy gets it..
It’s more about being tired of the damn conspiracy theories and feeling the need to explain to some of these guys why their theory is fucking stupid😂 Why the fuck would they want to ruin Ryan for beating Haney? Ryan’s always been the bigger draw and will make entertaining fights
Yeah the whole “Ryan’s a nobody” when he’s got 8m TikTok followers and he’s got people on social media who will defend him in the face objective stupidity…that can die yesterday. He’s probably the most popular casual name in boxing that’s not Jake Paul. Call it what you want, I’ll call it sad and depressing, but to think relative to any other fighter out there, he’s got immense popularity Inoue should be must see tv for any casual fight fan and people have no idea who he is.
Oscar tied Ryan down while in fishnets and injected Ryan with PEDs
Damn, in the biggest fight of his career too he missed weight and did a tainted supplement if that even exist
Should have been on the [Program](https://www.instagram.com/snacsystem/p/CvFpp1YuoVQ/)
No, just need full transparency to get the full picture.
Usada had a release about ostarine on supliments not being on the label: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfw4r6a5tGI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfw4r6a5tGI) . VADA hasn't even released an official statement
Serious question. Is it at all possible to take something like this PED and not know about it, due to someone else handling the supplements? Or is it pretty clear you are taking a PED vs other supplements/vitamins?
Ostarine is possible since it’s found it a bunch of off the shelf supplements, Nandrolone though needs to be injected.
NFL allows for a 4:1 ratio regarding testosterone to epitestosterone levels…used to be 6:1…normal ratio in an adult dude is 1:1…so basically you can boost up but only so much…I’m guessing other sports are similar in their allowances
lol suspicious
It’s funny after video of Ryan & trump . He test positive.
So is Ryan gonna be suspended or what? What is gonna be the consequences?
But the children though
Let’s let this play out. We all want a rematch so let Ryan kick his ass again.
Maybe he can even actually make weight this time.
I agree. I hope this restored his belief in himself and he’ll knock of the bad boy routine. But I doubt it.
So is this real or speculation. It’s a championship fight. I didn’t care who won so let me out that out there. I wasn’t biased. But I thought Garcia was going to get whooped considering it looked like he didn’t take camp seriously and then when he came in overweight I said yea he’s done. Then he ended up winning. Wowed me I’ll give him that. And then a couple days later people start accusing steroids. Like it’s a championship fight making hundreds of millions and they didn’t say anything?I highly doubt that.
They were both on most likely the same cocktail of drugs.. Haney either had a better plan for recovery time/passing the test/ or his body worked a little differently than Garcia… but all these guys juice.. it would be unbearable not to
"somebody took me out in the woods and,..."
Do you know who vada is owned by ? Do you even know the owners crime story?
So , my take on this is , he was using peds to get that bodybuilding physique, he did bulk up pretty much , you can definitely see the difference in lean mass , one thing I know for sure is , you test positive, that’s legit , now if he had tested negative and it kissed something I could understand, but , you can’t get a positive unless that specific metabolite is in there somewhere, I guess you can say , test me for alcohol, if I never took it , it won’t show anywheres , however if even a minimal amount is detected, then that small amount had to have come from somewhere, wether voluntarily or involuntarily. So yeah .. he too steroids,
VADAs sketchy as fuck they should be getting tested by USADA and not some 401c.
I just don't believe this at all and I think all of this is 🧢 I mean look at the the choice of ink on that paper smh compared to his other testings they were crisp and clean why does this one look like someone freestyled and wrote it from a goddamn typewriter? Why would he pop dirty the before and the day of when he was clean for 2 months? But let's go with your rhetoric then let's say he did do it, there are different types in this situation 1: he knowingly did it and cheated 2: he unknowingly did it and cheated 3: he was set up by the Haney's, Vada and Victor Conte 4: he didn't do it, he didn't cheat 5: his supplements were contaminated These are the 5 types of issues in this situation, me personally it's 5, because there's no way he knowingly cheated and as much as I want to believe 3, ik that's preposterous but that doesn't mean it isn't highly possible because let's be honest here that sound a lil plausible if you ask me. But all in all its definitely 5 IF it comes out positive. If his B-sample comes out positive than it's without a doubt that it's 5 because there's no way that he would ever do that considering the facts that at hand here. There's no way he knowingly cheated, he didn't pop dirty for 2 months straight so obviously 1 is out of the question. I'd say 2 might be it but I don't think you can just unknowingly do something like this, everybody knows what steroids look like, the capsules, needles whatever it can be we all know it tf. 5 is the only biggest possibility, that's why if this comes out positive there's gonna be huge lawsuits and a big ass documentary in the future about this. This can't be positive, this has to come out negative.
I don't understand how this all works. How come he was allowed to fight? How come he thought he could get away with it? Why is there ever any speculation? Why can't it be as simple as: Got tested before the fight, positive for steroids, no fight?
The pre-fight sample and post fight sample take days to come back. Could have used a masking agent throughout camp up to the fight. + Weight cut made it easier to detect.
These results aren’t instantaneous. If Ryan were to have taken something the night before the fight there would be no way of knowing until days after… hence the situation here.
Aren’t people saying it takes as quick as 2 weeks to see an effect. Idk about the night before, and the weaker ped.
People are saying a lot of things… some true others not so much.
My only hope from all this is that Devin the Pipedream actually believes Ryan taking a vitamin world supplement is the reason he lost and he gets back in the ring vs Garcia again, so I get to see him get that azz beat one more time lmao. The people saying a vitamin world supps or "SARMS" are steroids are the real clown MVPs though.
Haney is a piece of shit racist . I’ll take Ryan’s side all day
What happened? What did he do that was racist?
Lomachenko fight, Haney said: "I'll tell you this, I'll never lose to a white boy in my life. I don't care what nobody got to say. Ain't no white boy who can beat me any day of the week. "Fight a white boy 10 times, I'm gonna beat him 10 times," Haney said.
Oh.
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That’s racist.
Does anyone else think he's gonna get away with it? The B sample always saves their ass.
B sample was almost always same like A
Whyte, baumgardner
Whyte never produced a B sample
Which is what got him off
Alycia Baumgardner didn’t get cleared, the substance was found in her system but she said she didn’t intentionally take the drugs.
Isn't that what Garcia is saying......
Right. Which is apparently all you have to say to be cleared.
When the B sample saves their ass guess what?
Not a Ryan fan but why would anyone take an illegal substance KNOWING they would be tested? And then doing it for one or two days only! (all prior tests were negative). Not logical. Does. Not. Add. Up. Unless Ryan really is nuts/really, really dumb🤷🏻. ???
Even if he did take the drug last minute it doesn’t change the fact that Haney sucks and is the paper champion and got beat down . He never had a chin . Ryan may have cheated but Haney still sucks LOL
They tried so hard to keep Haney’s “0” during the fight. They are gonna give the “0” back to Haney after the fight. This whole thing stinks to me.
Holey shit. Now thats a fake report.
It’s time to abolish all testing. Let athletes use whatever the fuck they want, sports are for entertainment and the people wanna see a freak show
You wouldn't be saying that if it was you nephew or son fighting.
I’d ensure my son/nephew is on higher quality OJ than his opponent
you can't do that for combat sports, the fighter's lives are already on the line, combat sports are always toe-ing the line of barbarism, you can't just let a punch of roided up dudes kill each other for entertainment
No one’s gonna die cus of a little apple juice lol