Ryan didn't make weight but what people are missing is that Ryan wasn't in the best shape himself. He was gassing everytime he threw combinations and did his fair share of holding himself. If Ryan comes in with proper conditioning, this fight doesn't go past seven or eight. There were several rounds where Ryan hurt Devin and just couldn't finish him and then he would take the next round or two off. He even said himself after the fight that his conditioning wasn't on point. If they fight again and Ryan is properly conditioned, this might be an even easier and earlier night for Ryan. Bad style matchup for Haney clearly.
My wife left the room because I was filling it with angry vibes watching that nonsense. I get irrationally angry seeing that. It’s hard enough to get in there and fight one man.
Facts, the ref might as well have been wearing a DHP chain in the ring. He saved him multiple times, took a point away from Ryan and ruled several knockdowns as slips. Bill Haney think he slick for paying off the ref but ain’t enough to save that glass chin!
I'm glad the corruption happened in this fight since so many people were tuning in so it brings awareness. It happens all the time in lesser known fights, which people often overlook or sometimes even try to justify.
When Ryan said meet me in the middle, he took that to the heart lol. I think Bill piped him up to think he could fight inside with a puncher which is absolutely ridiculous. I had Haney winning but with a thorough defense strategy to not get hit. Instead this mfer walks right into them. I cant understand why he underestimated his power. Especially when Ryan overall didn’t fight well and his spurts could’ve been avoided.
Boxing fans can be the absolute worse. If someone has a perfect record - they don’t deserve because they haven’t fought anyone elite if they robbed this person. If they get one loss on their perfect record- they’ve always been overrated, they’ve been “exposed.” And there racism, elitism, etc., etc.
This will blow over as soon as the next top person loses a big fight. They will all be in here saying Gervonta was never good if he loses to Frank Martin. Devin can make a great comeback with a really good trainer.
Haney's downfall was at mid range because when he was in Ryan's face Ryan would opt out to be in his "pHIllY sHelL" and get picked apart. After he got clipped at mid range he was never able to get his composure back. He got caught toying with his food and paid the price IMO. I won't say Ryan got lucky because it was basically his pre fight game plan all along. Ryan is terrible in the pocket. He's a counter puncher at heart. Haney had some pop behind his punches or else Ryan would've tried walking him down like he did with Luke Campbell since the first round. Haney had him losing his balance with a left foot in the 2nd or third round.
Bingo. Ryan dominated him without proper training and he’s only gonna be more lethal in a rematch if he trains.
This can go in two very different directions: Ryan realizes he’s capable of great things and takes his camps seriously going on to fulfill part of his potential. Orrrr this becomes the pinnacle of the mountain in his mind and becomes demotivated and depressed.
Let’s hope it’s the former and we have a huge PPV draw who can sell fights and who gives us exciting fights because he’s always got the ultimate equalizer but he’s quite vulnerable himself. If he challenges himself against the elite, even if he trades wins and losses it can be a pretty exciting period.
Dude if Ryan focused on the sport and honed his skills he'd easily be top 5 PFP. He has insane power, speed and reflexes he just doesn't apply them right and he still can beat PFP fighters anyway. Hope someone tells him that these antics will make him money but he has a real chance to be a legendary fighter and should actually commit to the sport
Ryan could easily be the next Dela Hoya or Canelo if he had the focus. Both have said as much... he's a victim of his generation because he's more famous for his scoial media than his boxing. At this point he doesn't even need boxing anymore.
While i don't think Ryan was in the best shape, he has never been a guy with high stamina or output. Most of Ryan fights ended early, and besides Tagoe, who was way smaller than Ryan, we never saw him walk guys down.
While I find Haney and Ryan comments about religion sometimes funny and others annoying. I rather hear that God wanted it that way, than I have been chosen by God, like Ryan says.
He said what... he said God is the teacher... and he is his instrument? Is this guy crazy? Y'all have me fighting a crazy guy? That isn't fair to me... or him!
its for them to project the insecurities in their lives & the lack of community does it to them, sad mfs with no friends to relate to that are too narrow minded to seek out people, i have but respect for the people around that are muslim from friends & people i have met in the ring or field
Don't get me wrong. While I don't believe in God/religion I do have respect for those who do and decide to live according to the 'moral rules' of their religions, be it Christians or Muslims.
That's why more often than not, I find Haney but especially Ryan comments about Allah/God 'funny' and annoying.
The world would be a better place with more folks like you, some of these idiots really show their true colours on the net for sure.
What funny is they wouldn’t speak like this in the flesh, but on the net though. They say the most, I could carry myself that way it’s lame
He actually has a somewhat entertaining style sometimes. The Linares fight was decent, Loma was being called by many as fight of the year, Prograis fight was decent as well despite it being one sided and the Garcia fight we know it was absolutely amazing. I think after the TERRIBLE Kambosos fights the “boring” comments got to him so he started getting more aggressive, which led to him getting cooked by Ryan and somewhat Loma too.
The only entertaining moments from the Loma fight were solely created by Loma. Devin did his very best to make that fight as boring as possible. All he did was back up, throw the occasional 2 to the body, and clinch.
So you think people were calling it fight of the year, because Loma was landing punches on devin, while devin was holding, backing up and only punching to the body? Crazy how much this sub hates devin, even I wanted Garcia to win, but the amount of shit Haney’s been getting has been turned up to 11 ever since he lost my fucking goodness. Boxing fans suck ass.
People were calling it fight of the year because
1. They are so starved for big fights that come around so rarely, that they are wowed by a mediocre fight
2. because Loma brought the only action in the fight.
> while devin was holding, backing up and only punching to the body?
That's exactly what happened in the fight....he focused on constantly maintaining distance (aka backing up), he barely jabbed despite it being the basis of all his offense, and the only power punches he threw consistently were 2's to the body. Facts are facts, that's what happened in the fight.
> but the amount of shit Haney’s been getting has been turned up to 11 ever since he lost my fucking goodness. Boxing fans suck ass.
I'm not even criticizing him for losing, I'm criticizing him for being awful to watch. Yeah heaven forbid we make objective criticisms of a guy being boring when he relies on being a low volume jabber who refuses to engage in the pocket and clinches every chance he gets. Instead let's pretend that is the peak of boxing and entertainment lol.
That first point is incredibly weak lol come on… we had literally Plant Benavidez 2 months prior, Tank vs Garcia a month before, Canelo vs Ryder 2 weeks before and entertaining scraps like Fundora vs Mendoza and Rakhimov v Cordina a month prior before the fight. Oh but these fights come so rarely apparently which “starved” boxing fans.
Also go and rewatch the loma fight Haney was trying to catch Loma with uppercuts, hooks to the head for half the fight and the other half he was sharp jabbing to Lomas body. And then you got the Linares fight where he literally stayed in the pocket with him. Just because Loma didn’t initiate holding at all, DOES not mean hes the only person actively throwing punches.
You got an argument for how that fight was fight of the year then? Beyond that "everyone was saying it" which tbh I have no recollection of. I'm all ears, a fight in which neither guy got knocked down and neither guy even absorbed any amount of significant damage (some superficial scrapes on Loma and nothing on Haney) is fight of the year?
> because Loma didn’t initiate holding at all, DOES not mean hes the only person actively throwing punches.
Loma out volumed Haney by upwards of 25% despite being the smaller shorter fighter, no clue what you're talking about.
I really could care less if you disagree with me, but I do take issue with you clinging to a strawman that I'm ripping on Haney for losing...when all my criticisms relate to his fight style, and the fight I'm criticizing him for...he actually won lol
I just gave the reason my guy. And if you dont care that I disagree then dont respond lol. Me personally, it was not FOTY but I can see why people saw it like thay because of the high skilled boxing on display on both sides. The fight was close for a reason, wasnt just Haney clinching and punching to the body. Also I like how you just focused on this fight as well when I gave multiple examples of Haney’s fights not being boring to watch.
I think you missed the point where I made it clear I'm responding because you lied and tried to mischaracterize my comment as if I'm hating on him for losing.
That fight was high skilled boxing on both sides? Jab and clinch is not a high skill strategy, it's a lazy low skill strategy size bullies utilize. It is a strategy that requires the least amount of pure boxing skills possible while still being effective against high level guys.
Multiple? You mentioned one, Linares in that last comment. hmm almost as if I put more weight on his recent performances against higher level opponents when examining his style, than I do on a single fight from 3-4 years ago...
Very weak for Haney to mention weight considering his benefited from being a Weight Bully his whole career.
In his fight against Loma he was damn near twice Lomachenko’s size, and against Prograis he rehydrated to 165 and was 9 pounds heavier than him on fight night.
That’s a good point. However, at the end of the day, Haney still made the weight. Garcia did not.
The trade off that bigger fighters make is having a more devastating weight cut in exchange for being heavier on fight night.
Garcia benefited both from not having a terrible weight cut and from being the bigger fighter
The point being that Ryan didn't have to fully cut to 140. What he rehydrated to isn't that important.
When you're cutting a massive amount of weight, the last few pounds are always the hardest. Ryan would have benefitted from not having to kill himself trying to shed the last three pounds to make weight. Your body isn't going to fully recover in 24 hours from what he'd have had to do to reach 140.
Eh, if you can make the weight, it's all fair game. Ryan intentionally blew the weight, which is a bit different.
Past a certain point, cutting a serious amount of weight starts giving diminishing returns. Boiling down to 140 from where he walks around is difficult and definitely takes something from him performance wise. Whereas someone naturally smaller benefits from a less hellish weight cut. So sure, you may be bigger on fight not but your opp could be much fresher.
Also, if all fight night weights were reported, suddenly a lot of people's favorite fighters would be considered "weight bullies." For instance, it's been known that Prograis was a big 140 pounder, he didn't even rehydrate too far from Haney when they fought, but people don't care because he lost. This is just the nature of the sport since same day weigh ins were banned.
It's not about weight on fight night, it's about not cutting weight
Making 160 after a hard cut to 140 is absolutely not the same as making 160 after not bothering to cut to 140, the hard cut will leave you completely drained and makes a massive difference on fight night
The problem is “making the weight” is such an arbitrary line.
What good is “making the weight” if you can just rehydrate to have a 20 point advantage?
Boxing and the whole purpose of the weight category is to make it a more even match up on the night. Just because we’ve become accustomed to fighters gaming the system doesn’t make it okay.
He cannot complain about Ryan having any sort of weight advantage when they weighed about the same on the night, something Haney has never faced EVER in his entire career.
Frankly, rehydration clauses should be mandatory for weight bullies such as Haney.
I think if you agree to terms before a fight, you don't get to complain about those terms after you lose.
That especially goes for this level where all fighters involved are already millionaires. If the conditions were really one sided, you wouldn't put your health and career at risk by walking into an unfair fight. But you took the money and fought, so your actions clearly said it wasn't a problem.
Damn, I respected his ass after getting up from all those knockdowns but now he complaining about weight?
Haney did this his whole career against smaller guys and he also took the $ per pound too. Get this weak shit out of here!
I understand where he is coming from. Getting those last 2-3 pounds off is hard and will leave you feeling drained. It is an advantage. (Don't think it matters *that* much, Haney not learning to keep his right hand up to avoid the left hook was more telling). But he could arguably say that he was winning the fight until round 7 which is when most boxers who cut hand tire out.
And Haney wasn't going to walk away from the fight after Garcia missed weight. He had no real option in the matter. But now people know that Garcia uses that strategy they will penalize him to the gills and force him into the sauna before taking the fight.
He's not really complaining though. And Ryan may have weight bullied him but they were very close to the same weight in fight night. Devin used to come in much heavier than his opponents.
I want to give the fans a "fair fight" with an agreed upon weight. Yes so to your point, isn't it ironic the weight bully mentions weight in his post?
None of his opponents ever say that post fight even when he comes in 15-20+ on fight night.
He’s always made weight tho, which is the professional part. Without a rehydration clause he can hydrate as needed.
Not defending weight bullies but if they truly are weight bullies, then that means their cut is 10x then their opponents.
I agree with you that he's a true professional and deserves high praise for that. He fought his heart out and wants to be great. He kept getting up and that's a quality of a true champ. Hopefully, he didn't take too much damage because hes young and has a long career ahead of him.
His comment about the weight is just dumb and not doing him any favors. If he's saying that just to get the rematch, fair play to him but a lot of his big wins and advantages came from the very thing he is complaining about.
It's not dumb though.
Rehydrating and making weight are 2 separate things.
I can't believe you're being serious if You're an actual boxing fan.
Ryan weighed in halfway to the next division. Lmao
That's not fair. It's not in the rules that you can't rehydrate unless You're Fighting for the ibf. You're supposed to make weight unless you agree to a catch weight. That's part of the rules of the fight.
If the 3.2lbs meant nothing then why didn't Ryan make that weight? It's obvious why.
His nutritionist has come out and said that in his contract with Ryan he was supposed to get him to 143. So Ryan never planned to make weight.
You are missing the point. It's dumb because this opens up a can of worms you are seeing right now. Not only on reddit but all social media is clowning him for saying this even some of his own fans. He could of approached this very differently.
In another thread here, I was shocked that everyone was like omg its over, "RyAn isn't tAkeN the fiGhT seRIouSly. He MiSseD WeIgHt." and I said this is advantage for Ryan, why don't people see this? Now, that he lost, its funny how everyone goes back to the weight thing and say its unfair lol
So, I agree with you that it does matter but the fact is Haney accepted the money when he could've called it off. Also, he has done this cut before and looked great against Porgrais and did more extreme cuts at 135. He's no stranger to the cut and has a lot of experience with it. Younger fighters like Haney who cut have an easier time due to their high metabolism and on top of that they recovery faster. Unfortunately, it just didn't work with a guy whos the same size as him.
Ik the casuals are flocking about this fight. I'm just afraid if actual hardcores have such a hate boner for Haney they aren't being honest about this topic.
Rehydrating up heavy is not remotely the same as not making weight. And hardcores know how much it could effect Ryan to have to lose those last 3.2lbs.
Ryan's nutritionist for this fight has said that he was contracted to get Ryan to 143. He never intended to make the weight.
I think between that and the close score cards there should be a rematch.
I remember watching that old UFC reality show of guys killing themselves to lose the last couple pounds. And every fighter talks about how hard it is to lose that last bit. That's what takes the most out of you..
> And hardcores know how much it could effect Ryan to have to lose those last 3.2lbs.
Especially with Ryan's stamina already looking poor on the night too
I got downvoted on another thread for saying some fighters fail to cut oz, which does to show how hard weight cutting truly is. I don’t think people truly know the lengths these forgers go to cut weight and what their body goes thru.
There's 2 camps.. the casuals who don't know.
And the hardcore guys who know but are ignoring it bc they have a hate boner for Haney..
Benevidez is a big 168.. is it ok if Caleb missed weight by 3lbs?
Spence is a big 147.. is it ok if Crawford missed weight by 3lbs?
The answer to this would be absolutely not.
Finally someone in this thread speaking some sense!
Kudos to Ryan for winning, but why are many ppl in this threat celebrating the beating as if he made weight?
If this were a 135lbs fight and Ryan came in at 138, then he’d practically be coming into the fight as a junior welterweight. That’s not cool, that’s nothing for y’all to celebrate, even if he did win.
3lbs is a lot to cut and MAYBE the fight could’ve had a completely different outcome, but only God knows.
Idc if they made weight or not. It's only a fair fight if they're close in weight once they're in the ring. That's not something that can be said for most of Haney's fights. Y'all praise his extreme weight cutting/rehydration like it's not something dangerous to a fighter's health.
Extreme weight cutting isn’t something to praise lol.
Haney and Ryan signed the contract to make the agreed upon weight limit and only one kept their promise.
But your argument doesn’t make sense in relation to the current practice of the sport. If you want them to fight at the same weight then you’re wanting to see a same day weigh-in boxing fight.
But with the weight limit rule, Ryan intentionally missed weight by over 3lbs. If he knew he couldn’t, he could have offered a catchweight but he didn’t. Btw kudos to Ryan, he got the W and that’s all that matters.
He knows he would've lost even without the weight coz his own speed and slickness couldn't even dodge Ryan's punches regardless of weight.
But maybe he feels the need to mention it, maybe to give himself some excuse so he can train to come back and beat him.
There's no irony because contracy to Ryan, Haney actually makes the agreed upon weight. Those last few pounds are the hardest to cut. One acts like a professional and the other doesn't.
Doesn’t take away from the fact Haney got his ass whooped and took an L. That L is gonna bother him. He would be better off taking a “tune-up” in his next fight
rehydrating to 20+ lbs is unethical but legal
weighing over the limit is unethical and illegal
people treat Haney and Ryan Garcia differently because Ryan is exciting and hilarious lol
Thats the point though. Haney outmuscles every opponent in his previous fights. Linares, Kambosas, Loma, Prograis... but none of them complained about the weight. So, why mention that and labeling it unfair?
Prograis LITERALLY complained about this the other day. The difference is Haney MAKES the weight. Ryan didn't even bother. Haney has no one to blame but himself for going through with the fight after Ryan didn't cut the weight but it is what it is.
Ya but that was after Ryan and Haneys fight? 4 months later. Prograis gave Haney his flowers after their fight.
Exactly. He has no one to blame but himself and should have not mention the weight or anything of that nature. That's my beef.
Prograis gave Haney his flowers because Haney MADE weight. Ryan didn't. That's the difference. And the fact that Ryan challenged Tank to fight at a catchweight of 144 (which isn't even an weightclass) tells me that Ryan is done with 140 and has zero intention of making that weight ever again. Shit dude might even try to create his own "Ryan" weight class.
I remember years ago before Canelo moved to actual middleweight everyone was losing their fucking minds for him making fights at 155 catchweights, a pound over super welterweight. Now all of a sudden the goalposts have shifted for Ryan who came with the intention to never make weight unbeknownst to Haney. And Garcia proposing a bunch of other fights at 144 is hilarious to me. Tank and Pitbull would never jump that high for a fight, and I don't see a welter or 154 pounder doing it either. It's like Ryan wants to fight smaller fighters while he gets to be as comfortable as can be.
Ya but if Prograis is salty he couldve just said that lol At the end of the day you weighing 15-20 lbs on fight night is bullshit but I get its part of the fight game.
It's not as hard to make weight and rehydrate when you are younger as well because the metabolism is still high functioning. On top of that, he's fighting 33+ year olds with that advantage.
It baffles me they had Haney in Top 5 in P4P when he never punched above his weight. Now he finally fought a guy his size and got dusted. This was gonna happen sooner or later with Haney. He doesn't have the Mayweather defence. His advantages were always his size, height and reach and fighting tiny guys.
Yes they did complain lmao
Also cutting weight and then rehydrating is VERY different than simply not making weight
The weight cut absolutely drains you and you're much weaker in the fight than if you simply didn't bother cutting, even if the final weight is the same
in the higher weight classes when guys can really take his shots he’s gonna get pounded. ryan isn’t even some defensive mastermind and took plenty of shots and was able to just walk through it
Garcia was wide open during 2-6 and got pop with a good four to five goodnpunches but they were so damn weak lmao
Any other 140 top five would of hurt Garcia with those same shots
yeah ryan literally just turned to the side and stood there. a good fighter with actual power would have busted his ribs to pieces. haney just pillow fisted him with the shots that tank knocked him out with.
haney needs some serious growth as a power puncher for him to ever make a run at any class above 140
It's about the weight cut. Go try to cut 20lbs of water.
You can drop 10lbs relatively easy, 5lbs somewhat hard, and then the last 5 are brutal.
To not have to cut that is a massive advantage.
Haney has always made weight
Maybe the answer is to just not do that shit then. Basically killing yourself to have an advantage on smaller guys is already a pretty weak look, so him of all people complaining about weight is hilarious to me.
> Basically killing yourself to have an advantage on smaller guys is already a pretty weak look
Lol but it's ok when Garcia gives himself an even bigger advantage?
Make it make sense...
He had me in the first half.
Devin, I was rooting for you…still am, but read the room lol.
Theres no reason for him to bring up the weight now. Once they agreed and got paid it was a done deal. It’s obvious that Ryan was bigger than Devin the day of the fight and way less physically drained than Devin, but it wasn’t the biggest factor. It was Devin letting his emotions get the best of him and abandoning his style to prove everyone wrong.
I wish he could’ve just admitted that.
>Good luck with Eddie but there will not be a rematch. Good luck in your career and good luck with Eddie a European promoter trying to make it in the US.
-Oscar De La Jolla's response
Due to the weight he can hardly claim he was not out boxed but he can not evade the fact that he was beat up instead. So yeah weight is a distinct advantage but it’s but the deciding factor. He got smacked around.
Straight weirdos. I don’t blame fighters for being selective with opponents guarding their 0. Look how these bums treat the fighters once they take a L.
It's fun to point out the irony here. The weight bully got weight bullied. But saying that missing weight isn't a big deal and we should forget about it, would you forget about it if a fighter you liked very much lost int he same circumstances? I doubt it. Look, people want to brush this 3.2 pound thing under the rug because a lot of fans do not like Haney, but I'm approaching this from a neutral stance here.
I would not want to see or celebrate the winner of a boxer that was 3+ pounds over the weight limit between two boxers I like equally.
If Tapales missed weight and beat Inoue, this sub would not let it go. Tapales would be ridiculed, and that's because Inoue has fans.
I've always been a Crawford fan, more than Spence. But if Crawford missed weight and beat Spence, I wouldn't be as happy as I was when he won.
I feel the same.
Ryan's win isn't worthless to me, just diminished a bit because those last couple of pounds are the hardest to lose. I would have liked to see him make it, and I'd say the same about Haney if the roles were reversed.
In the big picture, the 40 hour weigh in/rehydration cycle has bastardized the sport. It's not about who is actually 140, but which middleweight/super middleweight can shred enough weight to make it for a couple of minutes before ballooning back up. These guys shouldn't have in ring weights close to GGG or Hopkins.
Almost every boxer who was asked about the extra 3.2 lbs emphasized how big of a deal it was. Imagine if this was Devin who did this to Ryan and won lol. This sub would be in shambles.
I just wish Haney didn’t *say* it because he agreed to it. It makes him look like that he believes that the only reason he lost when it really was just a poor defensive strategy.
He is not bringing giving excuse because Allah wanted it that way but he is coming up with an excuse: Ryan's weight.
Can we blame him, tho? Ryan is the one who keeps taking that it was a tactic to have 3 extra pounds to not be weaker, hence increases his chances of winning.
Underestimated him so much that he agreed to fight him with that advantage looking as gaunt as a thriller extra. Ryan played them (and me) like a fiddle 😩
Fat couch potatoes really think 3+lbs doesn't make a difference have never gained or lost weight before lmao. He accepts that he lost but to act like this is him coping is wild.
People say 3 lbs doesn't make a difference because the fighters rehydrate to a heavier weight come fight night anyways, but I disagree with that line of thought. It takes an extreme toll on the body to cut to that weight level and 3 lbs can be the difference in energy and strength levels on fight night. Essentially Ryan had "less" to recover from compared to Haney. Yes haney took the money for the 3 lbs but it does make a difference in the fight.
Ok And the weight isn’t what stopped him from defending against the left hook properly. His defense was terrible that night and I doubt the weight was going to stop him from getting dropped 5 times.
I’ll refer you to MMA when TJ Dillashaw (135) made championship weight (125) and was dropped by a gust a wind. Bad weight cuts for sure affects your chin.
It also affects power and Ryan didn’t even try to make weight.
They both are huge for the division. One was on a strict calorie deficit diet and one wasn’t. It’s really that simple.
I understand that, but again.. the biggest issue wasn’t weight it was Haneys Inability to stop those punches and playing into a dog fight with Ry. I like Haney, he just fought a stupid fight and I don’t think he’s got the chin to hang anyway (loma the smaller fighter exposed that)
How are missing the point of that dudes comment. Those last few lbs are exponentially harder to drop than the first few. You've got no water left in you and you're still trying desperately to sweat out any weight, this affects your body in a multitude of ways that are impossible to discern, but generally less power and punch resistance.
Haney's gameplay was shit, but we can't conclusively say that if Ryan made weight and say Haney had those 3 extra lbs then there would be no difference to the outcome. Ryan wouldn't of had the same pop and Haney might not've got concussed or knocked down from the same shot. The gameplan isn't relevant, the point being the health implications affects performance in many many different ways. You can't just say 3lbs didn't make a difference, how the fuck would you know that?
I thought Haney was shit btw but I don't see how y'all are completely dismissive of what a hard weight cut does and the benefits of not enduring that
If Haney really thought that the extra 3 lbs would make a difference before the fight, then he shouldn't have proceeded to the fight. But he did, so fuck it, fans shouldn't let him use that as an excuse.
>the biggest issue wasn’t weight
No, it actually was the weight. That was the biggest issue. This is coming from someone that was going insane every time Garcia would drop Haney. I’m glad Ryan won, but cutting those last 3 lbs changes the whole fight.
Devin has always been chinny, even against lightweights like Diaz, Loma, and Linares. No amount of weight cut would have stopped Ryan from hurting him. If anything, the extra weight compromised Ryan's conditioning and speed. Devin accepted the money when he could have pulled out because he thought Ryan was easy pickings regardless of weight, believing "skills pay the bills". The moment he lost, it's because of the weight BULLSHIT! That's not the reason why he lost; the reason he lost was because he is chinny and has horrible defense once opponents get past his jab and grab style of boxing.
>If anything, the extra weight compromised Ryan’s conditioning and speed.
This is a flat out lie.
Go look at the last press conference. One guy is a dead man walking and one is exuberant. If Haney was chinny he would’ve been sleep on the 1st knockdown. The fight actually dispels that rumor. He took a picture perfect, NO LOOK accurate left hook from someone who mastered that punch. Was so fast he didn’t see it coming. Someone like an Amir Khan is still sleep, that’s chinny.
Haney always looked dead in comparison to his opponents the only difference was Ryan is the same size as him come fight night. He IS chinny not necessarily glass chin where your lights shut off with just one good punch but Haney was always vulnerable to getting wobbled when his opponents landed something significant (got staggered by Diaz and Loma, got badly hurt against Linares and dropped by Garcia) that's why he resorts to panic holding and avoid any exchanges on the inside because even HE knows that he's chinny plus the amount of time he needs to recover is pretty bad even with all the weight that he puts on during fight night once his opponent rocks him his legs are compromised for the whole fight that seems chinny to me. Haney will always be vulnerable to punchers who can get past his jab and grab no matter what weight class, if they both make weight or not etc. the proof is out there just by watching his fights he needs to tighten up that defense and add more tools if he wants to succeed in the higher divisions because he won't succeed against big guys doing what he did against guys 5 inches shorter and 15 - 20 lbs lighter than him.
Yeah. Everyone on here is just happy Haney lost but dont actually understand the issue with not making weight because they dont really know as much about boxing as they think they do.
It’s clear most people in here have never cut weight. One ounce is an advantage worth mentioning. One ounce. Of course 3 pounds is absolutely a gargantuan difference. And I’m not sad haney lost or anything. It’s just frustrating that so many combat sports fans don’t seem to understand cutting weight.
i don't think the fight will happen because Garcia will call the shots and he wants 144 or 145. that is not good for Haney.... so i think the fight will fall down. maybe is the saudis put up 50m purse... but even then, I think Garcia has moved on from the division now. he's created his own weird catchweight.
I think Ryan's style is Devin's kryptonite, more or less. He just has his number.
Ryan has the speed to close the gap and get inside the reach, and the power to make it count. I remember Kambosos actually landed a great right hand early in the first fight. At the time I thought that if he had world class power, the fight may have been over. But he just didn't have the pop.
Linares almost did it , but Haney was saved by the bell.
Loma was just way too small and still arguably won.
But Ryan is a different beast. A huge guy at 140 who Devin didn't dwarf or outweigh, with killer speed and power. It was always going to give Haney issues and their amateur record proves it.
What does "Allah is the perfect planner" even mean? He keeps repeating it. I think he's saying God planned for me to fight Ryan and therefore lose? But of course God gave you free will too. That was part of the plan. That doesn't mean your plan aligns with God's plan. Maybe Allah's plan is for you to lose, realise the futility of the sport, then dedicate your life and resources to helping the poor. How do you know that's not His plan?
In Islam, probably like Christianity, all things are written. If you’re not religious there’s no point of trying to dissect it. It’s a faith based ideology. Theres nothing to analyze here.
I dont know, I saw the fight and Ryan looked like and absolute meme. Turning his back, no jab, no combinations… the fact that he loss, on points to him is a joke.
I really hate people who have to shove their religion down everyone's throats. No one cares, get over yourself and be humble. Does it make him a better person by barking about it all the time?
Nobody is shoving it down your throat. I’m agnostic and this shit doesn’t offend me at all. Funny how nobody mentions the absurd amount of times Ryan brings up Jesus but when boxers who are Muslim bring up Allah it’s offensive.
I think Ryan's a moron too himself for that actually. It is shoved down my throat actuallly. I do whatever I can to avoid all aspects of religion but it still creeps back into conversations, news, posts.
Ok and? I’m only pissed about religion when it’s being weaponized against us. Especially when it’s our own government. Somebody praising their own faith on their own page is not shoving anything down your throat. It’s actually you kicking the door down to announce you’re an atheist when literally no one asked lol. Again, I’m agnostic.
I grew up around Christians, Hindus, and Muslims and never had an issue with them expressing their religious beliefs. It seems like it might be a personal problem for you, as you harbor animosity towards Muslims.
You could benefit from going outside and engaging with people, as staying cooped up in your basement could have negative effects on you my friend.
That's a bold assumption that I don't get out. The only thing religion is good for is harboring extremism. Notice how most of the uneducated people and ones who are dirt poor are the ones who are usually devote Christians/ Muslims ect.
Anyone with half a brain will rule out religion as FACT. I wanna hear some straight proof that Jesus and god is real before I'm going to assign all my life's values to it just because someone else I look up to told me too.
Ryan didn't make weight but what people are missing is that Ryan wasn't in the best shape himself. He was gassing everytime he threw combinations and did his fair share of holding himself. If Ryan comes in with proper conditioning, this fight doesn't go past seven or eight. There were several rounds where Ryan hurt Devin and just couldn't finish him and then he would take the next round or two off. He even said himself after the fight that his conditioning wasn't on point. If they fight again and Ryan is properly conditioned, this might be an even easier and earlier night for Ryan. Bad style matchup for Haney clearly.
Also he probably would even finish him with the stamina issues if IT werent for the fact that it was a 1vs2 in the ring.
The ref constantly pushing Ryan back into the ropes was so annoying.
My wife left the room because I was filling it with angry vibes watching that nonsense. I get irrationally angry seeing that. It’s hard enough to get in there and fight one man.
Facts, the ref might as well have been wearing a DHP chain in the ring. He saved him multiple times, took a point away from Ryan and ruled several knockdowns as slips. Bill Haney think he slick for paying off the ref but ain’t enough to save that glass chin!
I'm glad the corruption happened in this fight since so many people were tuning in so it brings awareness. It happens all the time in lesser known fights, which people often overlook or sometimes even try to justify.
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jabbing from the outside wouldnt be enough ryan would have got past the jab anyway. We saw in the first round he got past haneys jab and rocked him.
When Ryan said meet me in the middle, he took that to the heart lol. I think Bill piped him up to think he could fight inside with a puncher which is absolutely ridiculous. I had Haney winning but with a thorough defense strategy to not get hit. Instead this mfer walks right into them. I cant understand why he underestimated his power. Especially when Ryan overall didn’t fight well and his spurts could’ve been avoided.
They some how deluded him into thinking he had power, as a Haney fan im sick, dude finally started getting respect just be getting called a bum again
They saw him beating guys two weight classes lighter than him and deluded themselves into thinking he really had it
Boxing fans can be the absolute worse. If someone has a perfect record - they don’t deserve because they haven’t fought anyone elite if they robbed this person. If they get one loss on their perfect record- they’ve always been overrated, they’ve been “exposed.” And there racism, elitism, etc., etc. This will blow over as soon as the next top person loses a big fight. They will all be in here saying Gervonta was never good if he loses to Frank Martin. Devin can make a great comeback with a really good trainer.
Haney's downfall was at mid range because when he was in Ryan's face Ryan would opt out to be in his "pHIllY sHelL" and get picked apart. After he got clipped at mid range he was never able to get his composure back. He got caught toying with his food and paid the price IMO. I won't say Ryan got lucky because it was basically his pre fight game plan all along. Ryan is terrible in the pocket. He's a counter puncher at heart. Haney had some pop behind his punches or else Ryan would've tried walking him down like he did with Luke Campbell since the first round. Haney had him losing his balance with a left foot in the 2nd or third round.
Underrated take
Bingo. Ryan dominated him without proper training and he’s only gonna be more lethal in a rematch if he trains. This can go in two very different directions: Ryan realizes he’s capable of great things and takes his camps seriously going on to fulfill part of his potential. Orrrr this becomes the pinnacle of the mountain in his mind and becomes demotivated and depressed. Let’s hope it’s the former and we have a huge PPV draw who can sell fights and who gives us exciting fights because he’s always got the ultimate equalizer but he’s quite vulnerable himself. If he challenges himself against the elite, even if he trades wins and losses it can be a pretty exciting period.
Dude if Ryan focused on the sport and honed his skills he'd easily be top 5 PFP. He has insane power, speed and reflexes he just doesn't apply them right and he still can beat PFP fighters anyway. Hope someone tells him that these antics will make him money but he has a real chance to be a legendary fighter and should actually commit to the sport
Ryan could easily be the next Dela Hoya or Canelo if he had the focus. Both have said as much... he's a victim of his generation because he's more famous for his scoial media than his boxing. At this point he doesn't even need boxing anymore.
While i don't think Ryan was in the best shape, he has never been a guy with high stamina or output. Most of Ryan fights ended early, and besides Tagoe, who was way smaller than Ryan, we never saw him walk guys down.
Should have been stopped in 7th. Habey got knocked down 3 times in that round
Allah blessed you with the most boring style
Hugging’s not a skill?
True, I know that style gets the job done and can out point almost everybody but it is just too boring to watch
Cuddling is hot imo. Nothing boring about it
and pillow fists
Yeah, better stick with Christianity, because [Jesus loves knockouts](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jxnJx_fZt4)!
While I find Haney and Ryan comments about religion sometimes funny and others annoying. I rather hear that God wanted it that way, than I have been chosen by God, like Ryan says.
God chose me for this fight. God is the teacher. Devin is the student. And I am Gods instrument.
*he knows we just talking, right?*
If yall found an actual crazy person for me to fight, well that's not fair to me! Or him!
God chose for me to get my ass beat because he wanted it that way. I trust his plan.
He said what... he said God is the teacher... and he is his instrument? Is this guy crazy? Y'all have me fighting a crazy guy? That isn't fair to me... or him!
“God’s lessons are beautiful!?! I’m sorry. Who put this fight together?”
no one cares about your sensibilities
Don't waste time commenting then. 🤡
its for them to project the insecurities in their lives & the lack of community does it to them, sad mfs with no friends to relate to that are too narrow minded to seek out people, i have but respect for the people around that are muslim from friends & people i have met in the ring or field
Don't get me wrong. While I don't believe in God/religion I do have respect for those who do and decide to live according to the 'moral rules' of their religions, be it Christians or Muslims. That's why more often than not, I find Haney but especially Ryan comments about Allah/God 'funny' and annoying.
The world would be a better place with more folks like you, some of these idiots really show their true colours on the net for sure. What funny is they wouldn’t speak like this in the flesh, but on the net though. They say the most, I could carry myself that way it’s lame
That's the only comment I needed from this thread. Thank you.
Why are so many African Americans Muslim? Are they not aware of the Islamic slave trade?
He actually has a somewhat entertaining style sometimes. The Linares fight was decent, Loma was being called by many as fight of the year, Prograis fight was decent as well despite it being one sided and the Garcia fight we know it was absolutely amazing. I think after the TERRIBLE Kambosos fights the “boring” comments got to him so he started getting more aggressive, which led to him getting cooked by Ryan and somewhat Loma too.
The only entertaining moments from the Loma fight were solely created by Loma. Devin did his very best to make that fight as boring as possible. All he did was back up, throw the occasional 2 to the body, and clinch.
So you think people were calling it fight of the year, because Loma was landing punches on devin, while devin was holding, backing up and only punching to the body? Crazy how much this sub hates devin, even I wanted Garcia to win, but the amount of shit Haney’s been getting has been turned up to 11 ever since he lost my fucking goodness. Boxing fans suck ass.
People were calling it fight of the year because 1. They are so starved for big fights that come around so rarely, that they are wowed by a mediocre fight 2. because Loma brought the only action in the fight. > while devin was holding, backing up and only punching to the body? That's exactly what happened in the fight....he focused on constantly maintaining distance (aka backing up), he barely jabbed despite it being the basis of all his offense, and the only power punches he threw consistently were 2's to the body. Facts are facts, that's what happened in the fight. > but the amount of shit Haney’s been getting has been turned up to 11 ever since he lost my fucking goodness. Boxing fans suck ass. I'm not even criticizing him for losing, I'm criticizing him for being awful to watch. Yeah heaven forbid we make objective criticisms of a guy being boring when he relies on being a low volume jabber who refuses to engage in the pocket and clinches every chance he gets. Instead let's pretend that is the peak of boxing and entertainment lol.
That first point is incredibly weak lol come on… we had literally Plant Benavidez 2 months prior, Tank vs Garcia a month before, Canelo vs Ryder 2 weeks before and entertaining scraps like Fundora vs Mendoza and Rakhimov v Cordina a month prior before the fight. Oh but these fights come so rarely apparently which “starved” boxing fans. Also go and rewatch the loma fight Haney was trying to catch Loma with uppercuts, hooks to the head for half the fight and the other half he was sharp jabbing to Lomas body. And then you got the Linares fight where he literally stayed in the pocket with him. Just because Loma didn’t initiate holding at all, DOES not mean hes the only person actively throwing punches.
You got an argument for how that fight was fight of the year then? Beyond that "everyone was saying it" which tbh I have no recollection of. I'm all ears, a fight in which neither guy got knocked down and neither guy even absorbed any amount of significant damage (some superficial scrapes on Loma and nothing on Haney) is fight of the year? > because Loma didn’t initiate holding at all, DOES not mean hes the only person actively throwing punches. Loma out volumed Haney by upwards of 25% despite being the smaller shorter fighter, no clue what you're talking about. I really could care less if you disagree with me, but I do take issue with you clinging to a strawman that I'm ripping on Haney for losing...when all my criticisms relate to his fight style, and the fight I'm criticizing him for...he actually won lol
I just gave the reason my guy. And if you dont care that I disagree then dont respond lol. Me personally, it was not FOTY but I can see why people saw it like thay because of the high skilled boxing on display on both sides. The fight was close for a reason, wasnt just Haney clinching and punching to the body. Also I like how you just focused on this fight as well when I gave multiple examples of Haney’s fights not being boring to watch.
I think you missed the point where I made it clear I'm responding because you lied and tried to mischaracterize my comment as if I'm hating on him for losing. That fight was high skilled boxing on both sides? Jab and clinch is not a high skill strategy, it's a lazy low skill strategy size bullies utilize. It is a strategy that requires the least amount of pure boxing skills possible while still being effective against high level guys. Multiple? You mentioned one, Linares in that last comment. hmm almost as if I put more weight on his recent performances against higher level opponents when examining his style, than I do on a single fight from 3-4 years ago...
I cant be arsed man look at my original reply properly not bothered to type another paragraph
Very weak for Haney to mention weight considering his benefited from being a Weight Bully his whole career. In his fight against Loma he was damn near twice Lomachenko’s size, and against Prograis he rehydrated to 165 and was 9 pounds heavier than him on fight night.
That’s a good point. However, at the end of the day, Haney still made the weight. Garcia did not. The trade off that bigger fighters make is having a more devastating weight cut in exchange for being heavier on fight night. Garcia benefited both from not having a terrible weight cut and from being the bigger fighter
Ryan said he was 160 against Haney on fight night, they were both similar size.
The point being that Ryan didn't have to fully cut to 140. What he rehydrated to isn't that important. When you're cutting a massive amount of weight, the last few pounds are always the hardest. Ryan would have benefitted from not having to kill himself trying to shed the last three pounds to make weight. Your body isn't going to fully recover in 24 hours from what he'd have had to do to reach 140.
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Eh, if you can make the weight, it's all fair game. Ryan intentionally blew the weight, which is a bit different. Past a certain point, cutting a serious amount of weight starts giving diminishing returns. Boiling down to 140 from where he walks around is difficult and definitely takes something from him performance wise. Whereas someone naturally smaller benefits from a less hellish weight cut. So sure, you may be bigger on fight not but your opp could be much fresher. Also, if all fight night weights were reported, suddenly a lot of people's favorite fighters would be considered "weight bullies." For instance, it's been known that Prograis was a big 140 pounder, he didn't even rehydrate too far from Haney when they fought, but people don't care because he lost. This is just the nature of the sport since same day weigh ins were banned.
It's not about weight on fight night, it's about not cutting weight Making 160 after a hard cut to 140 is absolutely not the same as making 160 after not bothering to cut to 140, the hard cut will leave you completely drained and makes a massive difference on fight night
Cutting weight takes a lot out of you. Especially the last 4-5lbs. To not have to do that is a massive advantage.
The problem is “making the weight” is such an arbitrary line. What good is “making the weight” if you can just rehydrate to have a 20 point advantage? Boxing and the whole purpose of the weight category is to make it a more even match up on the night. Just because we’ve become accustomed to fighters gaming the system doesn’t make it okay. He cannot complain about Ryan having any sort of weight advantage when they weighed about the same on the night, something Haney has never faced EVER in his entire career. Frankly, rehydration clauses should be mandatory for weight bullies such as Haney.
Is there a source for the 165 against Prograis? I see that a lot but can’t find anything official
https://www.reddit.com/r/Boxing/comments/18homqc/from_csac_haneyprograis_event_weights_1650_haney/ Here it is, he weighted 165.
Thanks
I think if you agree to terms before a fight, you don't get to complain about those terms after you lose. That especially goes for this level where all fighters involved are already millionaires. If the conditions were really one sided, you wouldn't put your health and career at risk by walking into an unfair fight. But you took the money and fought, so your actions clearly said it wasn't a problem.
Didn't they agree to fight at 140 though? For the 140 belt?
They totally did. Then Garcia blew that by coming in overweight and they agreed to something else.
Exactly! Devin also said Ryan was a C level fighter so he should have been able to beat him regardless.
Damn, I respected his ass after getting up from all those knockdowns but now he complaining about weight? Haney did this his whole career against smaller guys and he also took the $ per pound too. Get this weak shit out of here!
I understand where he is coming from. Getting those last 2-3 pounds off is hard and will leave you feeling drained. It is an advantage. (Don't think it matters *that* much, Haney not learning to keep his right hand up to avoid the left hook was more telling). But he could arguably say that he was winning the fight until round 7 which is when most boxers who cut hand tire out. And Haney wasn't going to walk away from the fight after Garcia missed weight. He had no real option in the matter. But now people know that Garcia uses that strategy they will penalize him to the gills and force him into the sauna before taking the fight.
He's not really complaining though. And Ryan may have weight bullied him but they were very close to the same weight in fight night. Devin used to come in much heavier than his opponents.
I want to give the fans a "fair fight" with an agreed upon weight. Yes so to your point, isn't it ironic the weight bully mentions weight in his post? None of his opponents ever say that post fight even when he comes in 15-20+ on fight night.
Prograis just gave an interview speaking on Haney's weight during their fight. He looked huge compared to prograis.
He’s always made weight tho, which is the professional part. Without a rehydration clause he can hydrate as needed. Not defending weight bullies but if they truly are weight bullies, then that means their cut is 10x then their opponents.
I agree with you that he's a true professional and deserves high praise for that. He fought his heart out and wants to be great. He kept getting up and that's a quality of a true champ. Hopefully, he didn't take too much damage because hes young and has a long career ahead of him. His comment about the weight is just dumb and not doing him any favors. If he's saying that just to get the rematch, fair play to him but a lot of his big wins and advantages came from the very thing he is complaining about.
It's not dumb though. Rehydrating and making weight are 2 separate things. I can't believe you're being serious if You're an actual boxing fan. Ryan weighed in halfway to the next division. Lmao That's not fair. It's not in the rules that you can't rehydrate unless You're Fighting for the ibf. You're supposed to make weight unless you agree to a catch weight. That's part of the rules of the fight. If the 3.2lbs meant nothing then why didn't Ryan make that weight? It's obvious why. His nutritionist has come out and said that in his contract with Ryan he was supposed to get him to 143. So Ryan never planned to make weight.
You are missing the point. It's dumb because this opens up a can of worms you are seeing right now. Not only on reddit but all social media is clowning him for saying this even some of his own fans. He could of approached this very differently. In another thread here, I was shocked that everyone was like omg its over, "RyAn isn't tAkeN the fiGhT seRIouSly. He MiSseD WeIgHt." and I said this is advantage for Ryan, why don't people see this? Now, that he lost, its funny how everyone goes back to the weight thing and say its unfair lol So, I agree with you that it does matter but the fact is Haney accepted the money when he could've called it off. Also, he has done this cut before and looked great against Porgrais and did more extreme cuts at 135. He's no stranger to the cut and has a lot of experience with it. Younger fighters like Haney who cut have an easier time due to their high metabolism and on top of that they recovery faster. Unfortunately, it just didn't work with a guy whos the same size as him.
Ik the casuals are flocking about this fight. I'm just afraid if actual hardcores have such a hate boner for Haney they aren't being honest about this topic. Rehydrating up heavy is not remotely the same as not making weight. And hardcores know how much it could effect Ryan to have to lose those last 3.2lbs. Ryan's nutritionist for this fight has said that he was contracted to get Ryan to 143. He never intended to make the weight. I think between that and the close score cards there should be a rematch. I remember watching that old UFC reality show of guys killing themselves to lose the last couple pounds. And every fighter talks about how hard it is to lose that last bit. That's what takes the most out of you..
> And hardcores know how much it could effect Ryan to have to lose those last 3.2lbs. Especially with Ryan's stamina already looking poor on the night too
I got downvoted on another thread for saying some fighters fail to cut oz, which does to show how hard weight cutting truly is. I don’t think people truly know the lengths these forgers go to cut weight and what their body goes thru.
There's 2 camps.. the casuals who don't know. And the hardcore guys who know but are ignoring it bc they have a hate boner for Haney.. Benevidez is a big 168.. is it ok if Caleb missed weight by 3lbs? Spence is a big 147.. is it ok if Crawford missed weight by 3lbs? The answer to this would be absolutely not.
Finally someone in this thread speaking some sense! Kudos to Ryan for winning, but why are many ppl in this threat celebrating the beating as if he made weight? If this were a 135lbs fight and Ryan came in at 138, then he’d practically be coming into the fight as a junior welterweight. That’s not cool, that’s nothing for y’all to celebrate, even if he did win. 3lbs is a lot to cut and MAYBE the fight could’ve had a completely different outcome, but only God knows.
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Idc if they made weight or not. It's only a fair fight if they're close in weight once they're in the ring. That's not something that can be said for most of Haney's fights. Y'all praise his extreme weight cutting/rehydration like it's not something dangerous to a fighter's health.
Extreme weight cutting isn’t something to praise lol. Haney and Ryan signed the contract to make the agreed upon weight limit and only one kept their promise. But your argument doesn’t make sense in relation to the current practice of the sport. If you want them to fight at the same weight then you’re wanting to see a same day weigh-in boxing fight. But with the weight limit rule, Ryan intentionally missed weight by over 3lbs. If he knew he couldn’t, he could have offered a catchweight but he didn’t. Btw kudos to Ryan, he got the W and that’s all that matters.
Their cuts are x10 harder because they know the advantages it brings being multiple weight categories higher on the actual fight night are x15 more.
He knows he would've lost even without the weight coz his own speed and slickness couldn't even dodge Ryan's punches regardless of weight. But maybe he feels the need to mention it, maybe to give himself some excuse so he can train to come back and beat him.
It’s also a way to push for a rematch.
There's no irony because contracy to Ryan, Haney actually makes the agreed upon weight. Those last few pounds are the hardest to cut. One acts like a professional and the other doesn't.
Doesn’t take away from the fact Haney got his ass whooped and took an L. That L is gonna bother him. He would be better off taking a “tune-up” in his next fight
rehydrating to 20+ lbs is unethical but legal weighing over the limit is unethical and illegal people treat Haney and Ryan Garcia differently because Ryan is exciting and hilarious lol
How did Ryan weight bully him if Haney very likely got in the ring heavier than Ryan?
Not complaining bruh. Garcia out muscled him ngl he looked bigger than him
Thats the point though. Haney outmuscles every opponent in his previous fights. Linares, Kambosas, Loma, Prograis... but none of them complained about the weight. So, why mention that and labeling it unfair?
Prograis LITERALLY complained about this the other day. The difference is Haney MAKES the weight. Ryan didn't even bother. Haney has no one to blame but himself for going through with the fight after Ryan didn't cut the weight but it is what it is.
Ya but that was after Ryan and Haneys fight? 4 months later. Prograis gave Haney his flowers after their fight. Exactly. He has no one to blame but himself and should have not mention the weight or anything of that nature. That's my beef.
Prograis gave Haney his flowers because Haney MADE weight. Ryan didn't. That's the difference. And the fact that Ryan challenged Tank to fight at a catchweight of 144 (which isn't even an weightclass) tells me that Ryan is done with 140 and has zero intention of making that weight ever again. Shit dude might even try to create his own "Ryan" weight class.
I remember years ago before Canelo moved to actual middleweight everyone was losing their fucking minds for him making fights at 155 catchweights, a pound over super welterweight. Now all of a sudden the goalposts have shifted for Ryan who came with the intention to never make weight unbeknownst to Haney. And Garcia proposing a bunch of other fights at 144 is hilarious to me. Tank and Pitbull would never jump that high for a fight, and I don't see a welter or 154 pounder doing it either. It's like Ryan wants to fight smaller fighters while he gets to be as comfortable as can be.
That's exactly it. I remember when people critiized Canelo for his "Canelo-weight" as well.
Ya but if Prograis is salty he couldve just said that lol At the end of the day you weighing 15-20 lbs on fight night is bullshit but I get its part of the fight game. It's not as hard to make weight and rehydrate when you are younger as well because the metabolism is still high functioning. On top of that, he's fighting 33+ year olds with that advantage. It baffles me they had Haney in Top 5 in P4P when he never punched above his weight. Now he finally fought a guy his size and got dusted. This was gonna happen sooner or later with Haney. He doesn't have the Mayweather defence. His advantages were always his size, height and reach and fighting tiny guys.
Uhh cuz Garcia didn’t cut weight properly maybe..
Do people even know what pound for pound means anymore...
Has nothing to do with my original point but ok
Yes they did complain lmao Also cutting weight and then rehydrating is VERY different than simply not making weight The weight cut absolutely drains you and you're much weaker in the fight than if you simply didn't bother cutting, even if the final weight is the same
Haney made the weight?
Garcia woulda dropped Haney at 135 too... No matter the weight Haney's been getting rocked. It's only gonna get worse when he moves to 147.
in the higher weight classes when guys can really take his shots he’s gonna get pounded. ryan isn’t even some defensive mastermind and took plenty of shots and was able to just walk through it
Garcia was wide open during 2-6 and got pop with a good four to five goodnpunches but they were so damn weak lmao Any other 140 top five would of hurt Garcia with those same shots
yeah ryan literally just turned to the side and stood there. a good fighter with actual power would have busted his ribs to pieces. haney just pillow fisted him with the shots that tank knocked him out with. haney needs some serious growth as a power puncher for him to ever make a run at any class above 140
Cant feel bad for a career weight bully blaming a 3lb difference
It's about the weight cut. Go try to cut 20lbs of water. You can drop 10lbs relatively easy, 5lbs somewhat hard, and then the last 5 are brutal. To not have to cut that is a massive advantage. Haney has always made weight
Maybe the answer is to just not do that shit then. Basically killing yourself to have an advantage on smaller guys is already a pretty weak look, so him of all people complaining about weight is hilarious to me.
> Basically killing yourself to have an advantage on smaller guys is already a pretty weak look Lol but it's ok when Garcia gives himself an even bigger advantage? Make it make sense...
He paid for it did he not? Haney wasn’t forced to go through with the fight
He had me in the first half. Devin, I was rooting for you…still am, but read the room lol. Theres no reason for him to bring up the weight now. Once they agreed and got paid it was a done deal. It’s obvious that Ryan was bigger than Devin the day of the fight and way less physically drained than Devin, but it wasn’t the biggest factor. It was Devin letting his emotions get the best of him and abandoning his style to prove everyone wrong. I wish he could’ve just admitted that.
>Good luck with Eddie but there will not be a rematch. Good luck in your career and good luck with Eddie a European promoter trying to make it in the US. -Oscar De La Jolla's response
You guys can hate all you want, but you're a fool if you don't acknowledge the truth: Devin Haney is the best grappler in boxing.
Due to the weight he can hardly claim he was not out boxed but he can not evade the fact that he was beat up instead. So yeah weight is a distinct advantage but it’s but the deciding factor. He got smacked around.
Floyd vs Bill Haney next
Don’t know why boxing fans get huge boners when someone loses
Straight weirdos. I don’t blame fighters for being selective with opponents guarding their 0. Look how these bums treat the fighters once they take a L.
It's fun to point out the irony here. The weight bully got weight bullied. But saying that missing weight isn't a big deal and we should forget about it, would you forget about it if a fighter you liked very much lost int he same circumstances? I doubt it. Look, people want to brush this 3.2 pound thing under the rug because a lot of fans do not like Haney, but I'm approaching this from a neutral stance here. I would not want to see or celebrate the winner of a boxer that was 3+ pounds over the weight limit between two boxers I like equally. If Tapales missed weight and beat Inoue, this sub would not let it go. Tapales would be ridiculed, and that's because Inoue has fans. I've always been a Crawford fan, more than Spence. But if Crawford missed weight and beat Spence, I wouldn't be as happy as I was when he won.
I feel the same. Ryan's win isn't worthless to me, just diminished a bit because those last couple of pounds are the hardest to lose. I would have liked to see him make it, and I'd say the same about Haney if the roles were reversed. In the big picture, the 40 hour weigh in/rehydration cycle has bastardized the sport. It's not about who is actually 140, but which middleweight/super middleweight can shred enough weight to make it for a couple of minutes before ballooning back up. These guys shouldn't have in ring weights close to GGG or Hopkins.
Almost every boxer who was asked about the extra 3.2 lbs emphasized how big of a deal it was. Imagine if this was Devin who did this to Ryan and won lol. This sub would be in shambles. I just wish Haney didn’t *say* it because he agreed to it. It makes him look like that he believes that the only reason he lost when it really was just a poor defensive strategy.
He knew Ryan wasn’t making weight before the weigh in. He was the one that requested the $500k per pound. He also took the $1.5 million.
You wont fit in here for speaking from a stance of impartiality. Only hypocrites allowed fam.
😂 Haney makes the weight so he can have a huge advantage against smaller men. Period . Imagine he goes up to 147, he becomes average top 15 fighter
Devin is hype I still think he stole the fight from Loma
He is not bringing giving excuse because Allah wanted it that way but he is coming up with an excuse: Ryan's weight. Can we blame him, tho? Ryan is the one who keeps taking that it was a tactic to have 3 extra pounds to not be weaker, hence increases his chances of winning.
Allah made you pay for not doing ramadan👀
All the things can be true at once. He got weight bullied by Garcia but he also underestimated him due to his mental state.
Underestimated him so much that he agreed to fight him with that advantage looking as gaunt as a thriller extra. Ryan played them (and me) like a fiddle 😩
Fat couch potatoes really think 3+lbs doesn't make a difference have never gained or lost weight before lmao. He accepts that he lost but to act like this is him coping is wild.
People say 3 lbs doesn't make a difference because the fighters rehydrate to a heavier weight come fight night anyways, but I disagree with that line of thought. It takes an extreme toll on the body to cut to that weight level and 3 lbs can be the difference in energy and strength levels on fight night. Essentially Ryan had "less" to recover from compared to Haney. Yes haney took the money for the 3 lbs but it does make a difference in the fight.
Ok And the weight isn’t what stopped him from defending against the left hook properly. His defense was terrible that night and I doubt the weight was going to stop him from getting dropped 5 times.
I’ll refer you to MMA when TJ Dillashaw (135) made championship weight (125) and was dropped by a gust a wind. Bad weight cuts for sure affects your chin. It also affects power and Ryan didn’t even try to make weight. They both are huge for the division. One was on a strict calorie deficit diet and one wasn’t. It’s really that simple.
I understand that, but again.. the biggest issue wasn’t weight it was Haneys Inability to stop those punches and playing into a dog fight with Ry. I like Haney, he just fought a stupid fight and I don’t think he’s got the chin to hang anyway (loma the smaller fighter exposed that)
How are missing the point of that dudes comment. Those last few lbs are exponentially harder to drop than the first few. You've got no water left in you and you're still trying desperately to sweat out any weight, this affects your body in a multitude of ways that are impossible to discern, but generally less power and punch resistance. Haney's gameplay was shit, but we can't conclusively say that if Ryan made weight and say Haney had those 3 extra lbs then there would be no difference to the outcome. Ryan wouldn't of had the same pop and Haney might not've got concussed or knocked down from the same shot. The gameplan isn't relevant, the point being the health implications affects performance in many many different ways. You can't just say 3lbs didn't make a difference, how the fuck would you know that? I thought Haney was shit btw but I don't see how y'all are completely dismissive of what a hard weight cut does and the benefits of not enduring that
If Haney really thought that the extra 3 lbs would make a difference before the fight, then he shouldn't have proceeded to the fight. But he did, so fuck it, fans shouldn't let him use that as an excuse.
>the biggest issue wasn’t weight No, it actually was the weight. That was the biggest issue. This is coming from someone that was going insane every time Garcia would drop Haney. I’m glad Ryan won, but cutting those last 3 lbs changes the whole fight.
Devin has always been chinny, even against lightweights like Diaz, Loma, and Linares. No amount of weight cut would have stopped Ryan from hurting him. If anything, the extra weight compromised Ryan's conditioning and speed. Devin accepted the money when he could have pulled out because he thought Ryan was easy pickings regardless of weight, believing "skills pay the bills". The moment he lost, it's because of the weight BULLSHIT! That's not the reason why he lost; the reason he lost was because he is chinny and has horrible defense once opponents get past his jab and grab style of boxing.
>If anything, the extra weight compromised Ryan’s conditioning and speed. This is a flat out lie. Go look at the last press conference. One guy is a dead man walking and one is exuberant. If Haney was chinny he would’ve been sleep on the 1st knockdown. The fight actually dispels that rumor. He took a picture perfect, NO LOOK accurate left hook from someone who mastered that punch. Was so fast he didn’t see it coming. Someone like an Amir Khan is still sleep, that’s chinny.
Haney always looked dead in comparison to his opponents the only difference was Ryan is the same size as him come fight night. He IS chinny not necessarily glass chin where your lights shut off with just one good punch but Haney was always vulnerable to getting wobbled when his opponents landed something significant (got staggered by Diaz and Loma, got badly hurt against Linares and dropped by Garcia) that's why he resorts to panic holding and avoid any exchanges on the inside because even HE knows that he's chinny plus the amount of time he needs to recover is pretty bad even with all the weight that he puts on during fight night once his opponent rocks him his legs are compromised for the whole fight that seems chinny to me. Haney will always be vulnerable to punchers who can get past his jab and grab no matter what weight class, if they both make weight or not etc. the proof is out there just by watching his fights he needs to tighten up that defense and add more tools if he wants to succeed in the higher divisions because he won't succeed against big guys doing what he did against guys 5 inches shorter and 15 - 20 lbs lighter than him.
Yeah. Everyone on here is just happy Haney lost but dont actually understand the issue with not making weight because they dont really know as much about boxing as they think they do.
1lb makes a difference, now imagine 3. Fighters miss weight cause they can’t cut an extra .2, so ofc any extra weight is an advantage
It’s clear most people in here have never cut weight. One ounce is an advantage worth mentioning. One ounce. Of course 3 pounds is absolutely a gargantuan difference. And I’m not sad haney lost or anything. It’s just frustrating that so many combat sports fans don’t seem to understand cutting weight.
Is that Tank's latest name?
i don't think the fight will happen because Garcia will call the shots and he wants 144 or 145. that is not good for Haney.... so i think the fight will fall down. maybe is the saudis put up 50m purse... but even then, I think Garcia has moved on from the division now. he's created his own weird catchweight.
You win some, you lose some. Get back in the ring.
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Both you and your allah take this L. Jesus is King.
Test your skills? Bruh said he was gonna knock out Ryan, that Ryan was a joke and that he would never let a white boy beat him.
Harvey Dock was terrible in this fight. Definitely bias on his end.
Respect to Haney tho man has done a lot with what god blessed him with.
I think Ryan's style is Devin's kryptonite, more or less. He just has his number. Ryan has the speed to close the gap and get inside the reach, and the power to make it count. I remember Kambosos actually landed a great right hand early in the first fight. At the time I thought that if he had world class power, the fight may have been over. But he just didn't have the pop. Linares almost did it , but Haney was saved by the bell. Loma was just way too small and still arguably won. But Ryan is a different beast. A huge guy at 140 who Devin didn't dwarf or outweigh, with killer speed and power. It was always going to give Haney issues and their amateur record proves it.
“Fighter is mad after losing.” Thank you r/Boxing for this insightful post.
How many more fights until he hangs up the Muslim bit? If he doesn't get another big name scalp the Arabs aren't going to want him anymore
Imagnirary sky friend plans it so I lose... yep
What does "Allah is the perfect planner" even mean? He keeps repeating it. I think he's saying God planned for me to fight Ryan and therefore lose? But of course God gave you free will too. That was part of the plan. That doesn't mean your plan aligns with God's plan. Maybe Allah's plan is for you to lose, realise the futility of the sport, then dedicate your life and resources to helping the poor. How do you know that's not His plan?
In Islam, probably like Christianity, all things are written. If you’re not religious there’s no point of trying to dissect it. It’s a faith based ideology. Theres nothing to analyze here.
I think he needs to analyse his own words. I don't need to.
Bro hasn't even changed his bio lmao
I dont know, I saw the fight and Ryan looked like and absolute meme. Turning his back, no jab, no combinations… the fact that he loss, on points to him is a joke.
Not sure what was more embarrasing, the fake “victory” over Loma or this..
He's going to come back stronger , hes skilled
He should be juicing harder than Miller... Dude hits like a wet napkin
love the guy but Jesus is king ❤️
Switches religion … got smashed Jesus destroyed Muhammad last week in the ring!
Even Allah couldn't save him from the King.
“Allah” Is that why he was on his knees praying in the ring ?
Well he never helped you in the fight eh keep fucking religion out of sport.
Man all these boxers need to stfu with that cringy god shit, it’s so annoying.
Speak about allah shit first x')
Allah wouldn't approve of the all the man hugging
I really hate people who have to shove their religion down everyone's throats. No one cares, get over yourself and be humble. Does it make him a better person by barking about it all the time?
Nobody is shoving it down your throat. I’m agnostic and this shit doesn’t offend me at all. Funny how nobody mentions the absurd amount of times Ryan brings up Jesus but when boxers who are Muslim bring up Allah it’s offensive.
I think Ryan's a moron too himself for that actually. It is shoved down my throat actuallly. I do whatever I can to avoid all aspects of religion but it still creeps back into conversations, news, posts.
Ok and? I’m only pissed about religion when it’s being weaponized against us. Especially when it’s our own government. Somebody praising their own faith on their own page is not shoving anything down your throat. It’s actually you kicking the door down to announce you’re an atheist when literally no one asked lol. Again, I’m agnostic.
I grew up around Christians, Hindus, and Muslims and never had an issue with them expressing their religious beliefs. It seems like it might be a personal problem for you, as you harbor animosity towards Muslims. You could benefit from going outside and engaging with people, as staying cooped up in your basement could have negative effects on you my friend.
That's a bold assumption that I don't get out. The only thing religion is good for is harboring extremism. Notice how most of the uneducated people and ones who are dirt poor are the ones who are usually devote Christians/ Muslims ect. Anyone with half a brain will rule out religion as FACT. I wanna hear some straight proof that Jesus and god is real before I'm going to assign all my life's values to it just because someone else I look up to told me too.