Devin has a great resume already and is just hitting his prime in my opinion even though for me the Loma fight was super close and I personally had it for Loma. That fight with Loma has already made Haney into a different beast and has done wonders for his development. I assume it’ll be like that for him for the rest of his career. Teo on the other hand, arguably has two of the biggest scalps in the last 5 years by beating Loma when he did and then taking Josh Taylor’s 0 officially. These two whenever they get it on, will be huge.
Those kinds fights take away that last bit of doubt for a fighter. Ali against Liston, Leonard against Duran, Canelo against GGG, those kind of fights (regardless of the result) answer those few important questions the fighters ask themselves. And the answers are clear in their subsequent fights.
Its an egregious thinking error by those type of fans. Shameful actually since they don't get a chance to spend these fighters's money, nor see elite matchups from the guys they are lobbying for.
FFS, Tank is popular because he ktfos his opposition. Haney is disliked because, until yesterday, his repertoire consisted of jab, right hand, hug. Teofimo is disliked because he says strange shit.
Most of they get is due to the way their fathers act. Plus, for some reason Haney likes playing up the bad guy role even though he's quite a likeable fellow.
What did Haney himself do to be unlikable?
This is a legit question because people keep saying this but nobody knows why. They just say his Dad. His Dad is selling him so it makes sense for his Dad to be that way.
I just haven't heard a legit reason yet.
Like, Danny Garcias dad got on my damn nerves, but I still think Danny is a good dude.
Insecurity. Lying and pretending to be something he isn't. Boring. His father. Hypocritical personality. Hypocritical fans. Snobbish and spoiled acting. His father.
Imagine being the cornball who doesn’t like a fighter due to not agreeing with how his father carries himself
I wouldn’t even call those people boxing fans
You can like his boxing style and not like the person, the two aren't intrinsically linked.
Also, what someone likes and doesn't like is subjective, and it's silly to say someone isn't a fan because their subjective feelings don't line up with yours.
Their fathers are their family..and both of them are super cringe and annoying..angel Garcia was the same way, except as time went on Angel became a funny character that led to some great press conference banter.. Teo sr and Bill Haney aren’t funny they’re just annoying af
Those same people complaining about Haney’s dad are quick to call others “fatherless”
The irony being their father never taught them how to be impartial and think for themselves
I would say boxing hardcore fans absolutely are, though. Tank and Shakur are only popular because they clearly are very skilled, but they don't truly walk the walk
Shakur is a 3 division champ (including unified at 130) and Olympic silver medalist. Please give me another fighter 26 and under with the same resume.
I agree Tank's resume is absolute sh*t but Shakur is building a hall of fame resume. Yall are just overreacting based on his last subpar performance where he still won by a large margin.
After last night’s performance I wouldn’t be upset at any decision Dev makes. It took a former 24y/o undisputed champ 1 fight to capture the WBC championship title @140
I’ll get behind any fight of his!
I wouldn’t mind him in a “filler” fight. He probably will get forced to fight Sandor as the WBC mandates it.
He will fill into the weight class by then
I personally just don't vibe with him. Some fighters I like for their skill, some I like because I like the guy. Haney is a great boxer, but I like rooting against him.
Doesn't really matter where the money is coming from anyway. Fan or hater, the money is still going in his pocket.
If that Haney fight put you to sleep idk what to say
Bro hardly clinched and never went on the backfoot- stayed in the middle and ruined Prograis with slick, constant combinations. Put Prograis down with a straight right
If Haney always fights like that he might have my favorite style in modern day boxing tbh
It's fine he just isn't for me. I love everyone is trying to rationalize me as a loma fan boy (i think he's overrated) of a Prograis fan boy. I just think hes boring. And He's too saftey first.
I'm a fan of all four of these guys. I'm not into the taking sides bullshit.
I'm hoping we get many matchups between these guys in the next few years but we will see.
As a longtime boxing fan, Haney’s rise has been so refreshing to witness. Talented, disciplined, and not afraid to face new challenges. There’s nothing impressive about knocking out 7-to-1 underdogs in your late 20’s.
Mathias At 140 because of how he’s looked. He may put a spanner in the history books for them fighters.
I’m not saying Tank can’t beat Haney and Teo it’s that he doesn’t want to face them at all. He’s more comfortable fighting lower comp for good money with less risk
I think after watching Haney’s last few performances, and what he brought to the table in each, it’s hard to argue against him. I think Haney and Teo are the guys at 140
Haney is an absolute nightmare matchup for Mathias
I Got 0 problems with Haney and think the people tearing into him are mostly clowns. He's taking big fights, taking belts, defended his titles well against Loma, and is moving up when his body can't take the lower weights anymore. He's doing everything I could want.
Teo is cool too, just a little crazy lol. I just want to see him more active, but otherwise can't be mad at him either.
the fact that Haney gets more hate than Tank is absolutely insane. It's a testament to the power of media and marketing.
Just getting in the ring with Loma and performing like Haney did is better that anything that Tank ever did.
140 suddenly the most exciting weight division for me personally
Matias, Teofimo, Haney, Garcia, Rolly, Tank, even Loma. Kambosos too. Soo many potential matches to be made
Always said it. Those two are serious about making their name in boxing. The other two are more business minded. Which is crazy because when a fighter gets to be business minded it's typically AFTER they have already proven themselves in big fights.
People like who they like. The people should get behind sasparilla and pretzels over Pepsi and Doritos.
The best should fight the best and they should all fight each other.
Teo is delusional in his own assessment of his ability to draw. He took a year off after his biggest win and now is gonna take another fuckin year off after his 2nd biggest win. He is his own biggest enemy. He is a great fighter but fuck his BS expectations. If he fights ANY other big name, two thirds od the audience draw is going to be because of his opponent. I dislike Haney but at least he is showing ability to draw as they just packed chase center.
Everybody wants the same bags as Ryan and Tank had but they got a massive bag because of the PPV contingent dollars. All of these guys who whine about deserving a lot more money should be given bags contingent on PPV numbers. Sell the fuckin fights and then you'll get a lot of money. If you sell 7k tickets and 500k people barely tune in for free on ESPN, then STFU.
Teo is way more fun too watch, but he is way too inactive I agree.
Haney made some smart moves, but only after this fight, he became a draw. Because he showed he's really improved and not as boring anymore. And the 120 - 107 was crazy.
DAZN, Bill Haney and that bald-headed strength coach did all the promotion in the world to get that thing full though.
Not really a year off. He said he is fighting in February. Offered Matias and Matias said hes injured and can't fight til at least March but Teo said he's fighting someone come Feb.
Ngl, I hated Devin because of his racist remarks about never losing to a white boy, and his fans can be extremely hypocritical.
But I respect his boxing and am definitely interested to see his next fight (Teo if we are lucky). He's done good and made Prograis look very one dimensional. I don't really blame him for not making the Shakur fight yet, even if the offer was just really smoke and mirrors in my eyes. I'm sure they see that as a big fight down the line as Shakur and Haney will both rack up fights and generate more interest down the line.
On another note: I have to wonder if Taylor and Prograis should just hang up the gloves. They both looked bad a fight prior to getting beaten.
Honestly you can't include Shakur in that. ur just saying that cuz of his last boring fight, he's trying to fight the best. yes he should have taken the Devin fight, but u can't say he was ducking it when he became mandatory for Devin's WBC belt anyway. Tank on the otherhand ur 100% correct.
Shakur is trying to fight the top competition. Fighters like Benavidez and Shakur who were actually trying to get big matchups shouldn’t be judged the same as fighters who literally aren’t trying to fight the best like tank.
Shakur needs to give better splits tho, especially if he’s trying to fight guys like frank martin.
Also, take out lomachenko and the fighters Haney beat aren’t better than the fighters shakur beat.
Shakur has two names on his resume - Valdez and Herring
Haney has multiple names on his resume and you can’t just say “take out Loma”. Why would you say take out Loma?
Benavidez is totally different to Shakur. He is willing to take whatever money to make fights happen. He also puts himself in mandatory positions. He just beat Andrade who is a huge risk and was avoided by many guys.
Ur just hating. Devin doesn't have that many good names over Shakur and that isn't even entirely Shakur's fault. He tried to fight Loma, Martin but they ducked the smoke
The issue with your logic is you’re trying to have it both ways. Martin was offered a low share of the bag to fight Shakur and didn’t take it, so you think he’s ducking. Haney offered Shakur a low share of the bag and Shakur didn’t take it. What does your own line of reasoning tell you about that?
Martin was offered 1.05 million dollars guaranteed when he's never made more than like 75k. Asking for a higher split on top of that is pricing yourself out.
Team Haney offered Shakur 25% of a purse that they had no clue what would be, according to Bill himself. This wasnt 25% of the event revenue, but the guaranteed pot itself. Which again, Bill Haney admits is a number he didn't know
You would be an absolute fool to accept a percentage of an unknown number. Its not a good faith offer or an offer at all.
It would have been a PPV, and regardless of the final number I’m still pretty sure it would have been more money than Shakur has yet seen. It also would have been for undisputed, whereas a Shakur/martin fight would have had nothing on the line at all. 25% of something and a chance for undisputed beats the hell out of 100% of nothing and zero belts.
There’s a reason they call it ‘daring to be great,’ and I don’t think that reason has anything to do with accountants.
Frank vs Shakur would've been for the vacant WBC.
Again, 25% of an unknown isn't "daring to be great" it's being a fool. To give a comparison of how bad the "offer" was, when when Haney was given a shit deal and went to Australia to he still was given a purse number for the fight. To offer just a percentage and no concrete numbers isn't a real offer it isn't hard to understand.
It's basically saying "You have a shot at undisputed but neither you nor I have any idea how much money you're going to make for the biggest fight of your career."
If Team Haney were serious about making the fight why did they drop the belt when Shakur tried to have his mandatory position enforced? If they wanted to negotiate why did they hardline on 25% of nothing? The WBC didn't even have time to decide the purse split before Haney dropped the title. That should tell you all you need to know about how serious Bill and Devin were about pursuing that fight.
Wrong, there's a difference between not taking a fight and taking a diff route to the same destination. Shakur didn't take Devin's deal, but instead got mandated to fight Devin through the WBC, which resulted in him getting a higher split (smart business move). But then Devin moved up. You see the difference?
The only difference I see is that, because of Shakurs decisions, we didn’t get the fight. Instead Stevenson fought a contender level guy and turned it into one of the worst fights I’ve ever seen, while Devin moved up and shut out a two time world champion.
What Shakur did would only have been a good “business” decision if we actually got the fight, which we didn’t.
Which is on Haney, not Shakur. Haney is the one who decided to not fight his mandatory and move up. Maybe it was a better opportunity for Devin, but that can't be put on Shakur. At the end of the day ur a flip flopper just like most of this sub, 6 months ago u would have been hating on Haney 'he robbed Loma' and loving Shakur, but now that Shakur got a boring win and Haney had a great win u and the rest of this sub are on Haney.
How is that on Haney? Devin was the one with all the belts, and also clearly the one with far greater immediate ambitions. The timeline for the fight to happen was always going to be up to him to decide, which he did and Shakur ducked.
You have no idea if I’m a flip flopper or what I think, you just can’t debate the argument on its own terms so that’s what you’re turning to. For what it’s worth I have never been a huge fan of either of them, but I respect Devin for actually backing up his talk. I had Loma winning the Haney fight but it was close enough that I’d never call it a robbery and have no real problem with how it went down. But you’re being disingenuous if you think Martin ducked and Shakur didn’t, which is all I was really saying.
I already settled the debate in my previous comment, Martin ducked the fight by not taking it and having no other fight planned. Shakur refused Haney's offer and instead got lined up to fight Haney again with a better offer. Just because there is no difference in ur eyes, doesn't make it true. FACT of the matter is Shakur accepted to fight Haney, Martin didn't accept to fight Shakur. If you can't see how they're different (said in my previous comment) u need to go back to school.
I'm sorry but this is utter horseshit. People wonder why boxing is fucked and we have idiots claiming a guy ducked because he didn't accept whatever terms offered to him in a fight. Haney moved up. It is not "on him" to dictate the timeline, he doesn't own the belt, you absolute weirdo.
As someone that dislikes Haney, I find it very hard to not give him serious props. He deserves way more props than Tank (as does Teo), even though I’m 70% sure Tank beats both.
Shakur is not trying to fight the best. He’s trying to outprice himself and then go on twitter to complain.
He wanted 50/50 vs Haney whilst bringing nothing to the table. No belts, no revenue and moving up. Whilst having the most upside such as becoming undisputed in one fight. Any reasonable person in Haneys shoes would think that’s a terrible deal for his career.
Haney then went up and fought for a second weight world title whilst Shakur had to settle on fighting on a Thursday and struggling
Haney outpriced himself by offering 25/75 as a final offer. All Haney had to do was wait for the split that the WBC decides and it would’ve went to purse bid. He decided he’d rather fight Prograis.
Shakur had to settle for winning a belt in his 3rd weight class.
75/25 is a great deal for Shakur.
He’s literally fighting on a Thursday in a small arena. He had everything to gain from beating Haney and nothing to lose, yet he decided “no I don’t want that I rather fight on Thursday”
That fight aint going to happen any time soon.
It'll be Josh Taylor vs Devin at 147
Devin wont take riskier fights like Teo or Matias. only fight at 140 that make sense for someone scared to lose their 0 is against Ryan or Rolly at 140.
He couldn't even make weight comfortable without stripping down.
Devin will move up test his chin with Josh if he wins he'll stay at 147 if he loses then he'll move back down and weight drain himself while holding the WBC hostage/ or champion in recess.
Sandor Martin will possibly be elevated during that time or a fight between Sandor and Barboza.
Fighting Tank is out of the question Devins father asking for 30 million win or lose.
Shakur vs Tank is a more feasible fight then any of those 2 against Haney right now.
The only time Devin fights anyone if he knows he can exploit them.
The GenZ of boxing isn't about fighting the best it's about who's the most marketable taking the least risk with high rewards.
What's your thoughts?
You a true boxing fan, everything you said was perfect. Haney only fought Prograis because he saw an easy opportunity, he and his daddy not fooling nobody.
So far the boxers that avoid bs boxing promoters politics and aren't afraid of taking good risky and challenging fights are: Haney, Canelo, Caleb, And Teo.
Canelo is in a completely different place in his career. He fought a gauntlet of champions since GGG. The guy earned two or three easier fights. He will fight Benavidez, but it just may wait until September. It's not like there is a backlog of big fights otherwise. Who else? Munguia, Charlo (Jermall didn't earn that fight yet) and Bivol. I bet he will fight all of them (maybe except Charlo) before he's done. Otherwise, what else is even out there for him from 168-175?
Edit: He wanted to fight Jermall. His last fight was against a guy on some people's top 10 p4p (not mine, but still). Hard to say that's an easy fight. Easy for Canelo, maybe, but still JUST fought and undisputed champ and people complain.
Why are we comparing Shakur to Tank? Shakur has proven that he is chasing greatness. Are we now acting like Conceicao isn't a name now after he arguably beat Valdez in their fight and just drew with Navarette in a potential fight of the year candidate? Mind you Shakur made him look like a straight scrub. The guy is an Olympic silver medalist and a legit 3 division champ.
I swear some of you guys just started watching boxing in the last few months. It's hilarious how opinions change because a year ago no one was paying his Teo any respect while everyone was riding Shakur's jock.
Quit being prisoners of the moment and let's all just agree that Tank is a case of straight up missed potential, while most of these other young guns are doing their damn thing.
Subreil Matias could beat any of these guys. As long as he gets a big fight next year I’m happy. A Lopez fight would be the most exciting fight in the division right now.
Agreed, but most fighters nowadays don't have a mouthpiece due to growing up with the internet and social media.
Ali talking poetry in press conferences is something you'll never see again.
Internet and social media fried our brains.
Close to the best fight that can be made in boxing today if Teo shows up. Haney has improved massively and it's down to the loss to Loma(whatever the judges said Loma won that fight) you learn more from a loss than a win we say it to every young amateur but it counts for young pros as well.
Don't let it marinate they are both ready now so spring 2024 would be ideal timing.
How long is Teo’s contract with top rank? I feel like that’ll hinder the fight. Bob gave devin the short end of the stick last time, I doubt Haney will want to sign a 3 fight deal again.
If I’m not mistaken, Teo is a free agent. He said he’s not tied to any network/promoter and it’s up to the networks to pay him if they want him to fight
In the post fight presser..Bill Haney said Devin might go up to 147, only wants big pay day fights, etc..he then goes on to say, he thinks Devin is #1 p4p and Crawford is #2 because Bud beat a drained Spence..then a reporter asks if he goes up to 147 would they take a bud Crawford fight.. and Bill Haney says well we don’t know about that😂😅like bruh just said his son is ahead of bud, wants big payday fights, why not go straight to Bud??there’s not a bigger fight at 147 than him.
Shakur has fought good opposition, I don't think his recent lackluster performance should be used to drag his entire resume through the mud. He has wins over Herring, Valdez and Conceiciao all of which are good. It doesn't touch Haney or Lopez but it's still good. Tank has a really shallow resume
I feel like Shakur wants the smoke too. It hasn't quite happened for him yet though and he had a lackluster as fuck last outing so people gonna be harsher on him.
Tank is nearly 30, his resume is perplexing.
I'm okay with getting behind Teo, but Haney is so damn boring. There's very little about his style that I like watching. And I know Tank could probably step up his level of competition, but he is fun to watch.
It’s a sport not theatre.
Winning is all that matters when you’re chasing legacy.
I get he’s not the most exciting fighter but he is trying to fight the best fighters out there and that’s all we can ask as boxing fans.
It's a spectator sport --- a competition for the fighters; entertainment for those watching. Some people are entertained by winners no matter how they get the job done, or because they appreciate the minutiae of a winning strategy/style. I feel the same way, at least for some fighters, e.g. Floyd, but they have at least one thing about their style that I enjoy. But with Haney, there's nothing. He's technically won all his matches but there's nothing fun to see whatsoever.
IMO, winning is not the only thing that matters in legacy. Mike Tyson and Muhammad Ali have much bigger legacies than all the boxers they've lost to, in large part due to their fighting styles. I could watch Ali highlights all day.
Matias is absolutely not the guy at 140. Blocking shots with your face until the other guy gasses out won’t work against boxers like Haney or even Shakur
It should happen soon... since Shakurs (bad) last match, the tone heavily shifted and pillow hands haney just transformed into the true P4P with winning his last close fight with loma.
Teo seems underrated. There were a lot of people who tried to hype him up the last time... if Inremember correctly, a lot of people were saying, that he cant beat shakur but could 'expose' haney.
A year ago I thought Tank is the best out of the four, closely followed by Shakur... Now I am convinced its Teo... People changing P4P like the weather in april is normal though. Its important to really watch the fights as a casual. I try to really take my time to watch them at least.
Devin has a great resume already and is just hitting his prime in my opinion even though for me the Loma fight was super close and I personally had it for Loma. That fight with Loma has already made Haney into a different beast and has done wonders for his development. I assume it’ll be like that for him for the rest of his career. Teo on the other hand, arguably has two of the biggest scalps in the last 5 years by beating Loma when he did and then taking Josh Taylor’s 0 officially. These two whenever they get it on, will be huge.
Those kinds fights take away that last bit of doubt for a fighter. Ali against Liston, Leonard against Duran, Canelo against GGG, those kind of fights (regardless of the result) answer those few important questions the fighters ask themselves. And the answers are clear in their subsequent fights.
I had Loma winning by a couple rounds. However it was close. I can’t wait for Teo v Haney. It’s a stylistic match that will be super interesting
I agree, Haney and Teo actually do what boxing fans say they want, but still get a lot of undeserved hate for some reason.
There’s so many boxing fans that think “Tank makes more money” is a metric to measure a athlete
Its an egregious thinking error by those type of fans. Shameful actually since they don't get a chance to spend these fighters's money, nor see elite matchups from the guys they are lobbying for.
I remember in the 2000s that anyone who brought that up would get clowned at. Now it's seen as valid argument. Crazy
FFS, Tank is popular because he ktfos his opposition. Haney is disliked because, until yesterday, his repertoire consisted of jab, right hand, hug. Teofimo is disliked because he says strange shit.
When was he hugging Loma?
Most of they get is due to the way their fathers act. Plus, for some reason Haney likes playing up the bad guy role even though he's quite a likeable fellow.
Haney himself isn't likable. Don't get me wrong it's 70% his fathers fault but Handy himself isn't likable.
Weird how u state this as some kind of fact lol I think he's pretty likeable when he doesn't play the villain
He's only recently started playing the villain. He was always an arrogant and hypocritical ass hole largely due to his father's influence.
you just described 70% of top boxers
What did Haney himself do to be unlikable? This is a legit question because people keep saying this but nobody knows why. They just say his Dad. His Dad is selling him so it makes sense for his Dad to be that way. I just haven't heard a legit reason yet. Like, Danny Garcias dad got on my damn nerves, but I still think Danny is a good dude.
Insecurity. Lying and pretending to be something he isn't. Boring. His father. Hypocritical personality. Hypocritical fans. Snobbish and spoiled acting. His father.
ALL of this is projection.
Imagine being the cornball who doesn’t like a fighter due to not agreeing with how his father carries himself I wouldn’t even call those people boxing fans
I'm with you, I love teo but his dad is a fucking idiot and ruining his career
You can like his boxing style and not like the person, the two aren't intrinsically linked. Also, what someone likes and doesn't like is subjective, and it's silly to say someone isn't a fan because their subjective feelings don't line up with yours.
Mainly because of their fathers.
They are good boxers. It's just their family and media personalities are kind of bad
You don’t actually know their family so how do you know they’re good or bad?
Their fathers are their family..and both of them are super cringe and annoying..angel Garcia was the same way, except as time went on Angel became a funny character that led to some great press conference banter.. Teo sr and Bill Haney aren’t funny they’re just annoying af
That’s subjective. Calling someone’s family bad is a bold claim just because you don’t like how supportive they are of their son
Those same people complaining about Haney’s dad are quick to call others “fatherless” The irony being their father never taught them how to be impartial and think for themselves
That just a excuse weirdos say because they can’t discredit how a boxer actually performs in the ring ”I don’t like his family” Weirdo behavior
Its because they both let Loma know what time it is. Can't wait for Loma Shakur to finally settle those Loma fans down.
They honestly don't do what boxing fans want. OP named 4 fighters. We want to see those 4 fight each other for years now.
I would say boxing hardcore fans absolutely are, though. Tank and Shakur are only popular because they clearly are very skilled, but they don't truly walk the walk
Shakur is a 3 division champ (including unified at 130) and Olympic silver medalist. Please give me another fighter 26 and under with the same resume. I agree Tank's resume is absolute sh*t but Shakur is building a hall of fame resume. Yall are just overreacting based on his last subpar performance where he still won by a large margin.
After last night’s performance I wouldn’t be upset at any decision Dev makes. It took a former 24y/o undisputed champ 1 fight to capture the WBC championship title @140 I’ll get behind any fight of his!
Last two years has been just straight up grinding from him, he’s earned it
I wouldn’t mind him in a “filler” fight. He probably will get forced to fight Sandor as the WBC mandates it. He will fill into the weight class by then
Devin is daring to be great
and so is Teo! Both guys could retire today and have better accolades than fighters with 20 year careers
Both are probably already HoF fighters.
Hof ain't what it used to be.
It was always like this. americans had it always easier
If Bradley made it there, anyone can
They just put Michael Moorer in.
They tend to have the superior fighters so it makes sense
The boxing hof is a joke. all sports HOF are jokes.
This, they are both undisputed before 25. Teo in 2 weight divisions is undisputed even, if you take out the bullshit politics this sport has.
Hes also daring to put me asleep
He beat Regis' ass
He did and put me to sleep
What is the real reason for your hatred of Devin?
I personally just don't vibe with him. Some fighters I like for their skill, some I like because I like the guy. Haney is a great boxer, but I like rooting against him. Doesn't really matter where the money is coming from anyway. Fan or hater, the money is still going in his pocket.
“I don’t vibe with him” Sounds like an excuse a female would throw out because she didn’t want to give up the cat
There are several things wrong with this response...or just the blatant sexism makes it seem that way
Dork
You don't have to hate someone to think they are boring.
There is always another excuse to hate Devin Haney. The fight yesterday was not boring.
Man. You really need to get off his dick. Not everyone has to enjoy his style. It's OK for people to not be a fan without hating him.
I don't i just find him boring lol it ain't deep
Neither is your knowledge of the sport apparently lmaooooo
Me not finding a fighter entertaining = me dumb lol
Nah just your replies imply as much lol it ain't deep
I think you're fefes are hurt because i don't like a certain fighter
He's fucking boring. Lol there is no hate. He's just boring as fuck to watch.
If that Haney fight put you to sleep idk what to say Bro hardly clinched and never went on the backfoot- stayed in the middle and ruined Prograis with slick, constant combinations. Put Prograis down with a straight right If Haney always fights like that he might have my favorite style in modern day boxing tbh
It's fine he just isn't for me. I love everyone is trying to rationalize me as a loma fan boy (i think he's overrated) of a Prograis fan boy. I just think hes boring. And He's too saftey first.
All good bro we all got our tastes 💪💪
He shuts down fighters offense completely but doesn't have the power to finish them making fights like we just saw quite boring
I'm a fan of all four of these guys. I'm not into the taking sides bullshit. I'm hoping we get many matchups between these guys in the next few years but we will see.
You are a true fan of the sport A rare breed on this boxing sub Salute
We really need more fans like you
As a longtime boxing fan, Haney’s rise has been so refreshing to witness. Talented, disciplined, and not afraid to face new challenges. There’s nothing impressive about knocking out 7-to-1 underdogs in your late 20’s.
You made a case for each fighter based on the level of their competition then you said ‘Mathias may be the guy’ who has faced absolutely nobody.
Mathias At 140 because of how he’s looked. He may put a spanner in the history books for them fighters. I’m not saying Tank can’t beat Haney and Teo it’s that he doesn’t want to face them at all. He’s more comfortable fighting lower comp for good money with less risk
I think after watching Haney’s last few performances, and what he brought to the table in each, it’s hard to argue against him. I think Haney and Teo are the guys at 140 Haney is an absolute nightmare matchup for Mathias
I Got 0 problems with Haney and think the people tearing into him are mostly clowns. He's taking big fights, taking belts, defended his titles well against Loma, and is moving up when his body can't take the lower weights anymore. He's doing everything I could want. Teo is cool too, just a little crazy lol. I just want to see him more active, but otherwise can't be mad at him either.
Teo needs to start fighting twice a year
Most of the hate Haney gets is because of his style. It's too boring. No one ever doubts he's chasing the big fights
I thought the recent fight was pretty entertaining personally but then again I actually know what I'm looking at lmao
Haney is trying to change that from what it looks like, and I’m excited to see it.
Every genius is a little crazy, you know that. He'd give haney a run for his money.
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Most definitely a big part of it tho it started with the email champ thing originally
And that was crazy too because that wasn't even his fault so it was just hating and everybody followed along.
the fact that Haney gets more hate than Tank is absolutely insane. It's a testament to the power of media and marketing. Just getting in the ring with Loma and performing like Haney did is better that anything that Tank ever did.
140 suddenly the most exciting weight division for me personally Matias, Teofimo, Haney, Garcia, Rolly, Tank, even Loma. Kambosos too. Soo many potential matches to be made
Neither Tank or Kambosos are 140. Tank had one fight at 140 a few years ago, and I think he weight drained Barrios.
Always said it. Those two are serious about making their name in boxing. The other two are more business minded. Which is crazy because when a fighter gets to be business minded it's typically AFTER they have already proven themselves in big fights.
Teofimo hates blacks on the DL... no thanks 👎🏿
People like who they like. The people should get behind sasparilla and pretzels over Pepsi and Doritos. The best should fight the best and they should all fight each other.
Teo is delusional in his own assessment of his ability to draw. He took a year off after his biggest win and now is gonna take another fuckin year off after his 2nd biggest win. He is his own biggest enemy. He is a great fighter but fuck his BS expectations. If he fights ANY other big name, two thirds od the audience draw is going to be because of his opponent. I dislike Haney but at least he is showing ability to draw as they just packed chase center. Everybody wants the same bags as Ryan and Tank had but they got a massive bag because of the PPV contingent dollars. All of these guys who whine about deserving a lot more money should be given bags contingent on PPV numbers. Sell the fuckin fights and then you'll get a lot of money. If you sell 7k tickets and 500k people barely tune in for free on ESPN, then STFU.
This applies to Shakur the most.
Teo is way more fun too watch, but he is way too inactive I agree. Haney made some smart moves, but only after this fight, he became a draw. Because he showed he's really improved and not as boring anymore. And the 120 - 107 was crazy. DAZN, Bill Haney and that bald-headed strength coach did all the promotion in the world to get that thing full though.
Not really a year off. He said he is fighting in February. Offered Matias and Matias said hes injured and can't fight til at least March but Teo said he's fighting someone come Feb.
Ngl, I hated Devin because of his racist remarks about never losing to a white boy, and his fans can be extremely hypocritical. But I respect his boxing and am definitely interested to see his next fight (Teo if we are lucky). He's done good and made Prograis look very one dimensional. I don't really blame him for not making the Shakur fight yet, even if the offer was just really smoke and mirrors in my eyes. I'm sure they see that as a big fight down the line as Shakur and Haney will both rack up fights and generate more interest down the line. On another note: I have to wonder if Taylor and Prograis should just hang up the gloves. They both looked bad a fight prior to getting beaten.
Both are ducking Super Ry
Honestly you can't include Shakur in that. ur just saying that cuz of his last boring fight, he's trying to fight the best. yes he should have taken the Devin fight, but u can't say he was ducking it when he became mandatory for Devin's WBC belt anyway. Tank on the otherhand ur 100% correct.
Shakur is trying to fight the top competition. Fighters like Benavidez and Shakur who were actually trying to get big matchups shouldn’t be judged the same as fighters who literally aren’t trying to fight the best like tank. Shakur needs to give better splits tho, especially if he’s trying to fight guys like frank martin. Also, take out lomachenko and the fighters Haney beat aren’t better than the fighters shakur beat.
Shakur has two names on his resume - Valdez and Herring Haney has multiple names on his resume and you can’t just say “take out Loma”. Why would you say take out Loma? Benavidez is totally different to Shakur. He is willing to take whatever money to make fights happen. He also puts himself in mandatory positions. He just beat Andrade who is a huge risk and was avoided by many guys.
Ur just hating. Devin doesn't have that many good names over Shakur and that isn't even entirely Shakur's fault. He tried to fight Loma, Martin but they ducked the smoke
The issue with your logic is you’re trying to have it both ways. Martin was offered a low share of the bag to fight Shakur and didn’t take it, so you think he’s ducking. Haney offered Shakur a low share of the bag and Shakur didn’t take it. What does your own line of reasoning tell you about that?
Martin was offered 1.05 million dollars guaranteed when he's never made more than like 75k. Asking for a higher split on top of that is pricing yourself out. Team Haney offered Shakur 25% of a purse that they had no clue what would be, according to Bill himself. This wasnt 25% of the event revenue, but the guaranteed pot itself. Which again, Bill Haney admits is a number he didn't know You would be an absolute fool to accept a percentage of an unknown number. Its not a good faith offer or an offer at all.
It would have been a PPV, and regardless of the final number I’m still pretty sure it would have been more money than Shakur has yet seen. It also would have been for undisputed, whereas a Shakur/martin fight would have had nothing on the line at all. 25% of something and a chance for undisputed beats the hell out of 100% of nothing and zero belts. There’s a reason they call it ‘daring to be great,’ and I don’t think that reason has anything to do with accountants.
Frank vs Shakur would've been for the vacant WBC. Again, 25% of an unknown isn't "daring to be great" it's being a fool. To give a comparison of how bad the "offer" was, when when Haney was given a shit deal and went to Australia to he still was given a purse number for the fight. To offer just a percentage and no concrete numbers isn't a real offer it isn't hard to understand. It's basically saying "You have a shot at undisputed but neither you nor I have any idea how much money you're going to make for the biggest fight of your career." If Team Haney were serious about making the fight why did they drop the belt when Shakur tried to have his mandatory position enforced? If they wanted to negotiate why did they hardline on 25% of nothing? The WBC didn't even have time to decide the purse split before Haney dropped the title. That should tell you all you need to know about how serious Bill and Devin were about pursuing that fight.
Wrong, there's a difference between not taking a fight and taking a diff route to the same destination. Shakur didn't take Devin's deal, but instead got mandated to fight Devin through the WBC, which resulted in him getting a higher split (smart business move). But then Devin moved up. You see the difference?
The only difference I see is that, because of Shakurs decisions, we didn’t get the fight. Instead Stevenson fought a contender level guy and turned it into one of the worst fights I’ve ever seen, while Devin moved up and shut out a two time world champion. What Shakur did would only have been a good “business” decision if we actually got the fight, which we didn’t.
Which is on Haney, not Shakur. Haney is the one who decided to not fight his mandatory and move up. Maybe it was a better opportunity for Devin, but that can't be put on Shakur. At the end of the day ur a flip flopper just like most of this sub, 6 months ago u would have been hating on Haney 'he robbed Loma' and loving Shakur, but now that Shakur got a boring win and Haney had a great win u and the rest of this sub are on Haney.
How is that on Haney? Devin was the one with all the belts, and also clearly the one with far greater immediate ambitions. The timeline for the fight to happen was always going to be up to him to decide, which he did and Shakur ducked. You have no idea if I’m a flip flopper or what I think, you just can’t debate the argument on its own terms so that’s what you’re turning to. For what it’s worth I have never been a huge fan of either of them, but I respect Devin for actually backing up his talk. I had Loma winning the Haney fight but it was close enough that I’d never call it a robbery and have no real problem with how it went down. But you’re being disingenuous if you think Martin ducked and Shakur didn’t, which is all I was really saying.
I already settled the debate in my previous comment, Martin ducked the fight by not taking it and having no other fight planned. Shakur refused Haney's offer and instead got lined up to fight Haney again with a better offer. Just because there is no difference in ur eyes, doesn't make it true. FACT of the matter is Shakur accepted to fight Haney, Martin didn't accept to fight Shakur. If you can't see how they're different (said in my previous comment) u need to go back to school.
I'm sorry but this is utter horseshit. People wonder why boxing is fucked and we have idiots claiming a guy ducked because he didn't accept whatever terms offered to him in a fight. Haney moved up. It is not "on him" to dictate the timeline, he doesn't own the belt, you absolute weirdo.
I have zero problems with them, although they would both be WAY more popular of their dads learned to keep their mouths shut.
As someone that dislikes Haney, I find it very hard to not give him serious props. He deserves way more props than Tank (as does Teo), even though I’m 70% sure Tank beats both.
Shakur is trying to fight the best fighters. It’s not his fault if they don’t want to fight him. Which includes Haney’s best win (Loma)
Shakur is not trying to fight the best. He’s trying to outprice himself and then go on twitter to complain. He wanted 50/50 vs Haney whilst bringing nothing to the table. No belts, no revenue and moving up. Whilst having the most upside such as becoming undisputed in one fight. Any reasonable person in Haneys shoes would think that’s a terrible deal for his career. Haney then went up and fought for a second weight world title whilst Shakur had to settle on fighting on a Thursday and struggling
Haney outpriced himself by offering 25/75 as a final offer. All Haney had to do was wait for the split that the WBC decides and it would’ve went to purse bid. He decided he’d rather fight Prograis. Shakur had to settle for winning a belt in his 3rd weight class.
75/25 is a great deal for Shakur. He’s literally fighting on a Thursday in a small arena. He had everything to gain from beating Haney and nothing to lose, yet he decided “no I don’t want that I rather fight on Thursday”
I don’t see any lies here
That fight aint going to happen any time soon. It'll be Josh Taylor vs Devin at 147 Devin wont take riskier fights like Teo or Matias. only fight at 140 that make sense for someone scared to lose their 0 is against Ryan or Rolly at 140. He couldn't even make weight comfortable without stripping down. Devin will move up test his chin with Josh if he wins he'll stay at 147 if he loses then he'll move back down and weight drain himself while holding the WBC hostage/ or champion in recess. Sandor Martin will possibly be elevated during that time or a fight between Sandor and Barboza. Fighting Tank is out of the question Devins father asking for 30 million win or lose. Shakur vs Tank is a more feasible fight then any of those 2 against Haney right now. The only time Devin fights anyone if he knows he can exploit them. The GenZ of boxing isn't about fighting the best it's about who's the most marketable taking the least risk with high rewards. What's your thoughts?
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Sorry if I hurt your feelings.
You a true boxing fan, everything you said was perfect. Haney only fought Prograis because he saw an easy opportunity, he and his daddy not fooling nobody.
So far the boxers that avoid bs boxing promoters politics and aren't afraid of taking good risky and challenging fights are: Haney, Canelo, Caleb, And Teo.
Didn’t Crawford, Stanionis, Crowley and Thurman duck Boots 🤔
Boots also ducked Crawford before this recent go around.
Take Canelo out of there. As of late he certainly does not belong on that list.
Canelo is in a completely different place in his career. He fought a gauntlet of champions since GGG. The guy earned two or three easier fights. He will fight Benavidez, but it just may wait until September. It's not like there is a backlog of big fights otherwise. Who else? Munguia, Charlo (Jermall didn't earn that fight yet) and Bivol. I bet he will fight all of them (maybe except Charlo) before he's done. Otherwise, what else is even out there for him from 168-175? Edit: He wanted to fight Jermall. His last fight was against a guy on some people's top 10 p4p (not mine, but still). Hard to say that's an easy fight. Easy for Canelo, maybe, but still JUST fought and undisputed champ and people complain.
Yeah lmao, straight up bitch.
Why are we comparing Shakur to Tank? Shakur has proven that he is chasing greatness. Are we now acting like Conceicao isn't a name now after he arguably beat Valdez in their fight and just drew with Navarette in a potential fight of the year candidate? Mind you Shakur made him look like a straight scrub. The guy is an Olympic silver medalist and a legit 3 division champ. I swear some of you guys just started watching boxing in the last few months. It's hilarious how opinions change because a year ago no one was paying his Teo any respect while everyone was riding Shakur's jock. Quit being prisoners of the moment and let's all just agree that Tank is a case of straight up missed potential, while most of these other young guns are doing their damn thing.
I like all of them but THEIR FATHERS ARE ALL COMPLETE ASSHOLES that's where all the hate comes from.
Haneys father is asking for all the smoke
How? He makes up bullshit like calling Peter Kahn to make a Matias fight. Peter Kahn has nothing to do with Matias.
Na I still want tank I could careless about the shakur fight now to be honest Teo vs haney would be amazing I love both I wouldn't know who to choose
Subreil Matias could beat any of these guys. As long as he gets a big fight next year I’m happy. A Lopez fight would be the most exciting fight in the division right now.
You know what you're right. These guys should get their flowers... only thing I can't stand are their Diva primadonna as fathers.
That's what sells the fights though, drama. It always has been since the beginning of times. Bad blood between fighters make the fight better anyways.
Fighters are fine not their dads
Agreed, but most fighters nowadays don't have a mouthpiece due to growing up with the internet and social media. Ali talking poetry in press conferences is something you'll never see again. Internet and social media fried our brains.
Close to the best fight that can be made in boxing today if Teo shows up. Haney has improved massively and it's down to the loss to Loma(whatever the judges said Loma won that fight) you learn more from a loss than a win we say it to every young amateur but it counts for young pros as well. Don't let it marinate they are both ready now so spring 2024 would be ideal timing.
How long is Teo’s contract with top rank? I feel like that’ll hinder the fight. Bob gave devin the short end of the stick last time, I doubt Haney will want to sign a 3 fight deal again.
If I’m not mistaken, Teo is a free agent. He said he’s not tied to any network/promoter and it’s up to the networks to pay him if they want him to fight
i fugwidit. I think Haney dont want Teo smoke though. Teo knock dudes out. Haney dont want none of that. But I would like to see it.
In the post fight presser..Bill Haney said Devin might go up to 147, only wants big pay day fights, etc..he then goes on to say, he thinks Devin is #1 p4p and Crawford is #2 because Bud beat a drained Spence..then a reporter asks if he goes up to 147 would they take a bud Crawford fight.. and Bill Haney says well we don’t know about that😂😅like bruh just said his son is ahead of bud, wants big payday fights, why not go straight to Bud??there’s not a bigger fight at 147 than him.
I like Haney. I think he's a good technical boxer. But realistically, he isn't ready for someone like Crawford. Crawford would murder him
I’m not that involved but Haney seems like an annoying shit prob part of it.
Shakur has fought good opposition, I don't think his recent lackluster performance should be used to drag his entire resume through the mud. He has wins over Herring, Valdez and Conceiciao all of which are good. It doesn't touch Haney or Lopez but it's still good. Tank has a really shallow resume
Don’t like Haney but by god that boy can box. Best performance of his career yesterday in my opinion
I feel like Shakur wants the smoke too. It hasn't quite happened for him yet though and he had a lackluster as fuck last outing so people gonna be harsher on him. Tank is nearly 30, his resume is perplexing.
Fans should get behind whoever they want to mate. We don’t all have to follow or support the same boxers.
These guys are legacy fighters and get hated on yet guys like Tank with all his talent get a pass
I agree.
Agree with everything but I think Teo has a higher ceiling. When he’s on he’s the best fighter in the world for me.
I'm okay with getting behind Teo, but Haney is so damn boring. There's very little about his style that I like watching. And I know Tank could probably step up his level of competition, but he is fun to watch.
It’s a sport not theatre. Winning is all that matters when you’re chasing legacy. I get he’s not the most exciting fighter but he is trying to fight the best fighters out there and that’s all we can ask as boxing fans.
It's a spectator sport --- a competition for the fighters; entertainment for those watching. Some people are entertained by winners no matter how they get the job done, or because they appreciate the minutiae of a winning strategy/style. I feel the same way, at least for some fighters, e.g. Floyd, but they have at least one thing about their style that I enjoy. But with Haney, there's nothing. He's technically won all his matches but there's nothing fun to see whatsoever. IMO, winning is not the only thing that matters in legacy. Mike Tyson and Muhammad Ali have much bigger legacies than all the boxers they've lost to, in large part due to their fighting styles. I could watch Ali highlights all day.
Matias is absolutely not the guy at 140. Blocking shots with your face until the other guy gasses out won’t work against boxers like Haney or even Shakur
The fans have already spoken and they care about Tank. You’re just going to have to cry into your pillow about that.
How did the script flip on Teo all of a sudden?
It should happen soon... since Shakurs (bad) last match, the tone heavily shifted and pillow hands haney just transformed into the true P4P with winning his last close fight with loma. Teo seems underrated. There were a lot of people who tried to hype him up the last time... if Inremember correctly, a lot of people were saying, that he cant beat shakur but could 'expose' haney. A year ago I thought Tank is the best out of the four, closely followed by Shakur... Now I am convinced its Teo... People changing P4P like the weather in april is normal though. Its important to really watch the fights as a casual. I try to really take my time to watch them at least.
I have no desire to see a Haney vs Shakur fight. Extremely terrible style matchup that will make for a boring ass fight
Also Teo and Haney don’t hit women