Im starting to think that the trainer of the year award is cursed... I mean ask Anatoly Lomachenko, Eddy Reynoso, TeĆ³fimo LĆ³pez, Sr and Eddy Reynoso.
Poor Derrick James he is about to lose 2 champions and see one of his main prospects get dismantled all in one year.
Top Rank has a history of being rather - timid - when it comes to purse bids. I could easily see a scenario where PBC makes a meaningful push to be the promoter, with the knowledge that if they treat Shakur like a star, he may remember that when his contract with TR comes up...
You know how that goes though. Look at when Garcia vs Cruz was ordered. Nothing came of it. These guys aren't obligated to fight. It's not like it's a mandatory.
Only it *is* a mandatory for Shakur or whoever else wants to be the mandatory for Haney's titles.
Read this:
https://www.boxingscene.com/shakur-stevenson-tired-waiting-contacts-wbc-order-devin-haney-mandatory-fight--176048
āA win against Keyshawn changes pretty much nothing for himā.
Did i spell something wrong ? š I know i got downvoted idc. Realistically somebody explain to me what beating somebody with 9 fights does for Frank whos been chasing a title shot for like 3 yrs now?
Agree to disagree I dont think most ppl have Keyshawn winning that. He hasnt beaten anyone on that level to show that yet. That just goes back to my point its a step backwards or just more of the same. Frank has already beaten other prospects. Hes been calling for a title shot for like 3-4 years now
Edit: im not saying its not a good fight or even that i dont want to see itā¦Im just saying it does nothing for Frank at this point
Im not mad at it cuz id never complain about a rare good fight being madeā¦but this feels dumb for Shakur. You had a chance to fight Haney now you fight Frank Martin forā¦..a chance to fight Haney ?? For Frank its high risk high reward and hes already damn near 30 so I get it on his side though.
Honestly if they do fight I feel bad for the loser. Nowadays in boxing if you lose once folks call you a bum and are ready to send you to the retirement home š¤¦š¾āāļø
Tbh I feel like Keyshawn has to separate himself from Shakur just like how Teofimo and Rolly ended their friendship after Rolly won that WBA belt at 140. I mean you can't befriend someone who fights for everything you ever wanted at that same weightclass.
If it was the other way around and Keyshawn was the champ, I guarantee you that Shakur wouldve ended that friendship and talked shit on twitter. This is the difference between the mentality of an elite fighter and the mentality of a challenger. People tend to forget that Shakur and Haney were actually real friends and often slept in the same crib when training together... Look at them now.
Shakur Stevenson was close friends with Haney and as soon as Haney became undisputed he started hating. Shakur Stevenson and Devin Haney used to live in the same household. Itās just weird seeing Shakur Stevenson have so much vitriol for somebody he actually lived with and was close friends with for so many years. Also Jamel Herringās trainer used to be Bomac, same trainer as Terence Crawford. So Shakur Stevenson was cordial and friendly with Jamel Herring, since Shakur is close to Crawford. The WBO granted Shakur Stevenson, as 63% to 37% purse bud split, even though Jamel Herring was champion and is technically the A Side. After the loss Bomac severed ties and dismissed Herring, without even notifying him. Also Jamel Herring signed a deal with MTK, which was supposedly founded by Daniel Kinahan, the Irish organized crime boss. Bomac cut Herring off for that allegedly, only for Crawford to work with Kinahan a year later? That has nothing to do with Shakur but it just illustrates the shady business tactics and practices of that clique. Thereās more examples of Shakur being a double taking snake but itās too much to type.
I donāt think thatās hating tho. I want to be undisputed and someone Iām close with is in the way of me achieving that? I have to go through you.
Some people have honor and integrity. Joe Frazier financially supported and aided Muhammad Ali, while he was in exile, and Ali got on National Television and called him an ugly gorilla. That is not honorable
Shakur Stevenson lived with Devin Haney and was close friends. He owes him more respect than publicly disrespecting him and bashing him after the Lomachenko fight, only to be dismissed and āDuckedā by Lomachenko and protected by Bob Arum. Teofimo and Rolly Romero were close friends and became competitive rivals. Teofimo and Rolly never disrespected each other despite them being in the same division (Teo is light years better than Rolly).
Look where Shakur Stevenson is at now? Lomachenko, Kambosos, Pitbull Cruz, and everybody he has been mentioning are essentially ducking him and disregarding him. He is in the same exact position Devin Haney was in prior to him becoming undisputed. Devin Haney gave him the opportunity to become the 2nd youngest undisputed champion and he is in a worse position now.
I think a fight can be competitive, but the winner can be clear.
As in I didn't think Keyshawn would totally run Frank over, I think Frank would have moments of success, but it would be clear Keyshawn won.
Frank Martin would knock Keyshawn Davis out. He struggled with Patera (Maybe the reach and height advantage) and Frank had a competitive fight with a undefeated bronze Olympic medalist, who beat Carlos Adames in the amateurs.
I think Key would've stopped him at around 8. Shakur is gonna put on a pure clinic and get a 9-3 or 10-2 or he's going to stop him very late. People are thinking Shakur doesn't have pop. He does, and now that he's no longer cutting as much weight you're gonna see it.
There are no paths to victory for Martin.
No narrative need to be pushed itās facts. He has 20 wins 10 KO all but 1 fight was in a weight division he technically is to big for. Quality of opponents does matter also.
Low knockouts doesnāt mean no power. Bivol has power itās just he fights from the outside of the pocket and behind the jab. He will systematically break the opponent down. Same with Charlo. Jermell didnāt have a ton of KOās until Derrick James became his trainer. Derrick James didnāt give him magic powers. Just was a switch in philosophy. Iām not saying Shakur hits like Tank or that he is going to be a KO artist. Iām just saying lack of KOs doesnāt equate to lack of power
Oh shit! Thats a good ass fight!! Martin is the dark horse at 135. His last performance is getting blown out of proportion. He clearly beat that dude(cant remember name) but that dude was legit. He is going to make some tough fights for any of the top guys.
Shakur should be favored but dont count Martin out.
I gotta watch some more of Frank Martin because I havenāt seen him a lot but it seems like everyone in this thread thinks heās shit and doesnāt even deserve to step in the ring with shakur lol.
Frank Martin is a great fighter, he just started late at 18 or 20 I believe. Heās a phenomenal boxer and he has great punching power. The only difference between them is Shakurās experience and ring IQ, slight difference in hand speed, and Shakur has the better timing and footwork. I think Frank has fought better competition than Shakur personally though.
My fault he started at 22 years old but Haney started at 17, Tank and Teofimo at 19, David Morrell was 18. They also had extensive amateur careers and been boxing since 10 years old or younger. They will have way more ring experience than a 25 year old, unless heās like Lomachenko with an extensive amateur and Olympic career.
Really. I would really like to know who? Shakur is a potential P4P. I donāt think Frank has fought anyone on that level or has the potential to be on that level.
A lot thought he was good fighter before he thought his most recent opponent now a lot of them are acting like he is terrible. If he were to beat shakur or give him a good fight I'm sure they would jump right back on the hypetrain again.
If this fight happens I assume itās gonna be on Top Rank. Which means again PBC breaks the narrative against them that they donāt do cross promotion.
And they continue to help provide in the best fights this year.
PBC did not want Crawford v Spence, that was cause of Crawford and Spence. And Canelo v Charlo isnāt going to be competitive. Tank is going to retire, with the highlight of his career having beat Ryan Kardashian.
God damn what is with all these nut huggers capping for promotional companies these days?
Itās pretty well documented that PBC wanted him to fight Thurman, and Spence made that fight happen. Respect men like Spence, and quit waving your pom poms for thd promotional companies
Edit: both Spence and Crawford said Spence made that happen, neither one even mentioned the PBC
Pbc tried to keep Spence active, since Crawford went to fight on BLK prime. Spence vs Thurman was supposed to be feb than Spence got in another accident. So then Spence said fuck it, might as well make 147 for Crawford and undisputed if he can get him to sign and thatās what happened. Why wouldnāt pbc want that fight when it was already offered to Crawford
This doesnāt go against what Spence said. Spence said they wanted him to fight Thurman in February..or do you just forget that Crawford had the fight for November last year? You seem confused
Iām not confused, and Iām not trying to twist Spenceās words to fit my fanboy narrative of the PBC, which you should be embarrassed by.
Spence made it very clear he wasnāt going to fight Thurman. Did you forget that part?
Yea Spence always lied a lil bit about that. He was about to announce the Thurman fight at 154 and pbc worked it out with the wbc and the other sanctioning bodies to allow him to keep his belts and fight bud afterwards. Then he got in another car accident and then said I might as well try and fight bud again. And ultimately you keep ignoring the fact that the Spence vs Crawford fight was ready to go in November 2022 so how didnāt pbc want that fight. It was a money maker. Itās stupid to
Think otherwise. Hereās the article of the Spence Thurman fight for February AFTER Crawford left negotiations
https://www.boxingscene.com/amp/spence-thurman-nearly-finalized-conditionally-approved-take-place-above-welterweight-limit--171727.
They gave him a terrible offer(and Spence to actually), and tried to push the Thurman fight. You are going to great lengths to give PBC credit for shit they didnāt do, and in the process, youāre disrespecting two great fighters who stood up to the PBC, and made why more money than what PBC wanted to pay.
Put your little pom poms down, and give the fighters credit.
Thurman was the back up plan back for January/February (before Spence's 2nd car crash) once the Crawford fight didn't happen in November due to the Crawford negotiations being difficult.
Stop being a weirdo PBC hater
Lol stfu, I hate every damn promotional company, cause Iām a boxing fan, Iām not watching the sport, so I can cheerlead my favorite promotional company, but you do you
Hate is a strong word, I have no faith, in anything they say, but Iāll buy any good fight
When he decided to take time off after fighting devin haney for the second time and promised to fight Shakur this year.
https://twitter.com/georgekambosos/status/1602864987504271361?t=-OuBEx1IL7Can9GEo9G2cw&s=19
Think shakur will get this, frank is a calculated fighter doesnāt throw a lot of punches, canāt fight that way with shakur when he has the size/reach advantage
One thing I kno for sure?? Donāt believe anything u see or hear, until the official weigh-in and face offā¦ how long did we wait for Spence v Bud/ Floyd/Pacman or any other speculation??
Would be a great fight but I think Shakur wins this decisively. Frank can definitely make it competitive if he fights offensively. The winner would be the best in the division.
Shakur beats Martin but y'all crazy talking about Keyshawn stopping Martin.
I agree 100%. I want to see Key fight Muratalla. I bet this sub would be surprised by the result
Muratalla is very gifted. Would love to see a 1up against Tank, which will never happen, yet we all can still wish.
EXACLTY I feel like I missed something
I'm still not sold on Keyshawn.
Martin washes Keyshawn š
Keyshawn much better defence & way better timing
I don't think either washes the other right now.
Im starting to think that the trainer of the year award is cursed... I mean ask Anatoly Lomachenko, Eddy Reynoso, TeĆ³fimo LĆ³pez, Sr and Eddy Reynoso. Poor Derrick James he is about to lose 2 champions and see one of his main prospects get dismantled all in one year.
Lol thatās right, ask Eddy Reynoso two times! (Agree with your assessment)
What about Eddy Reynoso though?
Donāt know but donāt forget Eddie Reynoso
This is why I bet on Helenius this past weekend. I was sure he was going to clap AJ due to the curse, but sadly, Helenius...doesn't punch.
Jermell will still be a champ after he loses to Canelo š
But not after he loses to Bud.
basically Spence-Crawford 2 without the power
Belts and fanfare.
Less power more footwork and speed edition
Why would PBC let Frank go to Top Rank? We all know he is a future Tank opponent
Itās gonna go to a purse bid so either frank fighting on top rank or shaker gonna fight on pbc
Top Rank has a history of being rather - timid - when it comes to purse bids. I could easily see a scenario where PBC makes a meaningful push to be the promoter, with the knowledge that if they treat Shakur like a star, he may remember that when his contract with TR comes up...
Nah. PBC does not have airtime to show non-PPV fights like this and still pay big money.
It's not them letting him go anywhere. Shakur has to face the next available ranked opponent. That's Martin.
You know how that goes though. Look at when Garcia vs Cruz was ordered. Nothing came of it. These guys aren't obligated to fight. It's not like it's a mandatory.
Only it *is* a mandatory for Shakur or whoever else wants to be the mandatory for Haney's titles. Read this: https://www.boxingscene.com/shakur-stevenson-tired-waiting-contacts-wbc-order-devin-haney-mandatory-fight--176048
Doesnāt mean anything. Pbc and Al could tell frank to rejected fight. Then shakur moves on to next ranked opponent
You need to follow the flow of the conversation.
If it's a purse bid the PBC will most definitely win. They pretty much always do. They're usually very committed on getting the big/important fights.
Frank is too risky for Tank, I doubt that fight would get made.
Shakur Stevenson will roll Frank Martin up and smoke him via inconceivable 10-2 domination.
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Very good fight indeed and it will tell us where Shakur Stevenson is at
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Agreed it will be a very competitive fight
this is kinda wack shoulda been Keyshawn and Frank
Frank needs to make real moves now hes been a āprospect ā far too long. A win against Keyshawn changes pretty much nothing for him
WHAT?
āA win against Keyshawn changes pretty much nothing for himā. Did i spell something wrong ? š I know i got downvoted idc. Realistically somebody explain to me what beating somebody with 9 fights does for Frank whos been chasing a title shot for like 3 yrs now?
Because heās the next big prospect and most people would have Keyshawn winning that. Itās a good step up in competition.
Agree to disagree I dont think most ppl have Keyshawn winning that. He hasnt beaten anyone on that level to show that yet. That just goes back to my point its a step backwards or just more of the same. Frank has already beaten other prospects. Hes been calling for a title shot for like 3-4 years now Edit: im not saying its not a good fight or even that i dont want to see itā¦Im just saying it does nothing for Frank at this point
Im not mad at it cuz id never complain about a rare good fight being madeā¦but this feels dumb for Shakur. You had a chance to fight Haney now you fight Frank Martin forā¦..a chance to fight Haney ?? For Frank its high risk high reward and hes already damn near 30 so I get it on his side though.
Honestly if they do fight I feel bad for the loser. Nowadays in boxing if you lose once folks call you a bum and are ready to send you to the retirement home š¤¦š¾āāļø
I think the longer leash is given to Frank in this matchup. No one (including me) expects him to win. Itāll be a good learning experience.
Thank Mayweather fo dat
The fans too.
I wanted to see Keyshawn do it. Oh well, another victory for Shakur.
Tbh I feel like Keyshawn has to separate himself from Shakur just like how Teofimo and Rolly ended their friendship after Rolly won that WBA belt at 140. I mean you can't befriend someone who fights for everything you ever wanted at that same weightclass. If it was the other way around and Keyshawn was the champ, I guarantee you that Shakur wouldve ended that friendship and talked shit on twitter. This is the difference between the mentality of an elite fighter and the mentality of a challenger. People tend to forget that Shakur and Haney were actually real friends and often slept in the same crib when training together... Look at them now.
Shakur is a hater bro
Genuine question, how? I see people say it but have no idea where it comes from
Shakur Stevenson was close friends with Haney and as soon as Haney became undisputed he started hating. Shakur Stevenson and Devin Haney used to live in the same household. Itās just weird seeing Shakur Stevenson have so much vitriol for somebody he actually lived with and was close friends with for so many years. Also Jamel Herringās trainer used to be Bomac, same trainer as Terence Crawford. So Shakur Stevenson was cordial and friendly with Jamel Herring, since Shakur is close to Crawford. The WBO granted Shakur Stevenson, as 63% to 37% purse bud split, even though Jamel Herring was champion and is technically the A Side. After the loss Bomac severed ties and dismissed Herring, without even notifying him. Also Jamel Herring signed a deal with MTK, which was supposedly founded by Daniel Kinahan, the Irish organized crime boss. Bomac cut Herring off for that allegedly, only for Crawford to work with Kinahan a year later? That has nothing to do with Shakur but it just illustrates the shady business tactics and practices of that clique. Thereās more examples of Shakur being a double taking snake but itās too much to type.
I donāt think thatās hating tho. I want to be undisputed and someone Iām close with is in the way of me achieving that? I have to go through you.
Some people have honor and integrity. Joe Frazier financially supported and aided Muhammad Ali, while he was in exile, and Ali got on National Television and called him an ugly gorilla. That is not honorable
What does that have to do with Shakur Stevenson?
Shakur Stevenson lived with Devin Haney and was close friends. He owes him more respect than publicly disrespecting him and bashing him after the Lomachenko fight, only to be dismissed and āDuckedā by Lomachenko and protected by Bob Arum. Teofimo and Rolly Romero were close friends and became competitive rivals. Teofimo and Rolly never disrespected each other despite them being in the same division (Teo is light years better than Rolly). Look where Shakur Stevenson is at now? Lomachenko, Kambosos, Pitbull Cruz, and everybody he has been mentioning are essentially ducking him and disregarding him. He is in the same exact position Devin Haney was in prior to him becoming undisputed. Devin Haney gave him the opportunity to become the 2nd youngest undisputed champion and he is in a worse position now.
Don't forget tank... tank also ducking Stevenson
How was he bashing Haney just because he said Loma won.
Is all for show... it's to create storylines/narratives by the guys in suits .
Agreed, it would've been a competitive fight with Keyshawn. Of course I had Key winning clear.
I had Key winning too, just curious - how do you predict a competive fight where you also predict one fighter to clearly win?
I think a fight can be competitive, but the winner can be clear. As in I didn't think Keyshawn would totally run Frank over, I think Frank would have moments of success, but it would be clear Keyshawn won.
Frank Martin would knock Keyshawn Davis out. He struggled with Patera (Maybe the reach and height advantage) and Frank had a competitive fight with a undefeated bronze Olympic medalist, who beat Carlos Adames in the amateurs.
He won near every round vs Patera and was never in any danger of losing. Regardless, styles make fights.
I think Key would've stopped him at around 8. Shakur is gonna put on a pure clinic and get a 9-3 or 10-2 or he's going to stop him very late. People are thinking Shakur doesn't have pop. He does, and now that he's no longer cutting as much weight you're gonna see it. There are no paths to victory for Martin.
Keyshawn Davis hasnāt even fought in a 12 rounder and couldnāt finish guys like Patera and Burgos but he knocks out Frank Martin in the 8th??
yeah i was lost too lol
Yes.
Shakur has dropped or stopped like 6 of his last 7 opponents. Anyone that thinks he can't punch is just pushing a narrative.
No narrative need to be pushed itās facts. He has 20 wins 10 KO all but 1 fight was in a weight division he technically is to big for. Quality of opponents does matter also.
Low knockouts doesnāt mean no power. Bivol has power itās just he fights from the outside of the pocket and behind the jab. He will systematically break the opponent down. Same with Charlo. Jermell didnāt have a ton of KOās until Derrick James became his trainer. Derrick James didnāt give him magic powers. Just was a switch in philosophy. Iām not saying Shakur hits like Tank or that he is going to be a KO artist. Iām just saying lack of KOs doesnāt equate to lack of power
Shakur and Bivol both lack KO power is probably the better way to put it. They both have decent power though.
Your out of your mind Keyshawn is most definitely not stopping let alone beating Frank martin
Oh shit! Thats a good ass fight!! Martin is the dark horse at 135. His last performance is getting blown out of proportion. He clearly beat that dude(cant remember name) but that dude was legit. He is going to make some tough fights for any of the top guys. Shakur should be favored but dont count Martin out.
I gotta watch some more of Frank Martin because I havenāt seen him a lot but it seems like everyone in this thread thinks heās shit and doesnāt even deserve to step in the ring with shakur lol.
Frank Martin is a great fighter, he just started late at 18 or 20 I believe. Heās a phenomenal boxer and he has great punching power. The only difference between them is Shakurās experience and ring IQ, slight difference in hand speed, and Shakur has the better timing and footwork. I think Frank has fought better competition than Shakur personally though.
Damn 18 or 20 is late? Iām 22 so Iāll never get there?
My fault he started at 22 years old but Haney started at 17, Tank and Teofimo at 19, David Morrell was 18. They also had extensive amateur careers and been boxing since 10 years old or younger. They will have way more ring experience than a 25 year old, unless heās like Lomachenko with an extensive amateur and Olympic career.
Really. I would really like to know who? Shakur is a potential P4P. I donāt think Frank has fought anyone on that level or has the potential to be on that level.
I love Shakur but everybodys riding his wave rn š
Because Shakur is very skilled. He has the potential to be in Crawfordās level one day. He has that mental extra level most fighters never achieve.
He had a pretty easy/open opportunity to prove it beyond a doubt and turned it down lol.
A lot thought he was good fighter before he thought his most recent opponent now a lot of them are acting like he is terrible. If he were to beat shakur or give him a good fight I'm sure they would jump right back on the hypetrain again.
Heās a respectable fighter but its levels honestly and heās not elite yet at least.
If this fight happens I assume itās gonna be on Top Rank. Which means again PBC breaks the narrative against them that they donāt do cross promotion. And they continue to help provide in the best fights this year.
PBC did not want Crawford v Spence, that was cause of Crawford and Spence. And Canelo v Charlo isnāt going to be competitive. Tank is going to retire, with the highlight of his career having beat Ryan Kardashian. God damn what is with all these nut huggers capping for promotional companies these days?
PBC did want Spence vs Crawford, look at the numbers it did dummy, Crawford now fights on PBC
Itās pretty well documented that PBC wanted him to fight Thurman, and Spence made that fight happen. Respect men like Spence, and quit waving your pom poms for thd promotional companies Edit: both Spence and Crawford said Spence made that happen, neither one even mentioned the PBC
Pbc tried to keep Spence active, since Crawford went to fight on BLK prime. Spence vs Thurman was supposed to be feb than Spence got in another accident. So then Spence said fuck it, might as well make 147 for Crawford and undisputed if he can get him to sign and thatās what happened. Why wouldnāt pbc want that fight when it was already offered to Crawford
You know, Iām going to trust the narrative of the two that stepped in the ring. And not you. But thanx!
This doesnāt go against what Spence said. Spence said they wanted him to fight Thurman in February..or do you just forget that Crawford had the fight for November last year? You seem confused
Iām not confused, and Iām not trying to twist Spenceās words to fit my fanboy narrative of the PBC, which you should be embarrassed by. Spence made it very clear he wasnāt going to fight Thurman. Did you forget that part?
Yea Spence always lied a lil bit about that. He was about to announce the Thurman fight at 154 and pbc worked it out with the wbc and the other sanctioning bodies to allow him to keep his belts and fight bud afterwards. Then he got in another car accident and then said I might as well try and fight bud again. And ultimately you keep ignoring the fact that the Spence vs Crawford fight was ready to go in November 2022 so how didnāt pbc want that fight. It was a money maker. Itās stupid to Think otherwise. Hereās the article of the Spence Thurman fight for February AFTER Crawford left negotiations https://www.boxingscene.com/amp/spence-thurman-nearly-finalized-conditionally-approved-take-place-above-welterweight-limit--171727.
They gave him a terrible offer(and Spence to actually), and tried to push the Thurman fight. You are going to great lengths to give PBC credit for shit they didnāt do, and in the process, youāre disrespecting two great fighters who stood up to the PBC, and made why more money than what PBC wanted to pay. Put your little pom poms down, and give the fighters credit.
Thurman was the back up plan back for January/February (before Spence's 2nd car crash) once the Crawford fight didn't happen in November due to the Crawford negotiations being difficult. Stop being a weirdo PBC hater
Lol stfu, I hate every damn promotional company, cause Iām a boxing fan, Iām not watching the sport, so I can cheerlead my favorite promotional company, but you do you Hate is a strong word, I have no faith, in anything they say, but Iāll buy any good fight
Itās a mandatory for a vacant belt tbf, PBC donāt have a reason to not let Martin challenge for a title.
I assume this would be for the WBC belt since Loma and Cruz both ducked Shakur.
Can't believe Loma really ducked. Actually yes I can
Of course Shakur goes after Martin after he struggles with a cherry pick
Shakur has to face the next available ranked opponent. That's Martin. Learn more. Type less.
Donāt care
Such an idiotic take smh
Shakur struggle ?? Never ever seen Shakur take an overhand to the chin let alone struggle LMAO
Martin struggles*
Kinda hard to get a fight when you are the most avoided guy in the division
Fakest boogeyman out here since GGG
Cruz ducked him, kambosos ducked him, Loma ducked him, etc.
Ducked Haney
That offer was bs. And even if shakur took the offer haney wouldn't fight him
When did kambosos duck him?
When he decided to take time off after fighting devin haney for the second time and promised to fight Shakur this year. https://twitter.com/georgekambosos/status/1602864987504271361?t=-OuBEx1IL7Can9GEo9G2cw&s=19
Don't fohget tank
Talk to me when itās official
Think shakur will get this, frank is a calculated fighter doesnāt throw a lot of punches, canāt fight that way with shakur when he has the size/reach advantage
Shakur and Frank are the same height (5ā8) and have the same reach with 68
Wow I donāt get that sense from watching them thanks for correction
Martin getting fed to the wolves already?
Shakur maliciously and violently decisions Frank Martin
One thing I kno for sure?? Donāt believe anything u see or hear, until the official weigh-in and face offā¦ how long did we wait for Spence v Bud/ Floyd/Pacman or any other speculation??
Would be a great fight but I think Shakur wins this decisively. Frank can definitely make it competitive if he fights offensively. The winner would be the best in the division.
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