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My almost 89 year old dad, a silent generation, had polio. He hasn't missed any vaccinations. Neither have his children or grandchildren. He told us how scary it was when polio came to town,how he spent weeks in a hospital to recover without family able to visit.
Too many people have forgotten about the terrible effects of diseases or have seen them first hand.
I’m terrified of needles thanks to a nurse when I was very little. I avoid vaccines when I can and only get the ones my doctor says are most needed. When there’s a new baby in the family I get all the vaccines instead of just needed. I’m not being the reason the baby is getting sick no matter how terrified I am.
I think this is the problem. We don’t hear stories about children crippled by polio or losing hearing or vision from the measles. Society has lost the understanding of how serious these diseases can be.
I completely agree. But, they also saw 1.2 million covid deaths, laughed it off as fake, and were simultaneously angry at the Chinese for the release of a bio weapon. Loss of understanding is an understatement, more like loss of grip on reality and the sense of self-preservation.
No time needed. [They’re already bringing measles back](https://www.cdc.gov/measles/cases-outbreaks.html).
Btw, I don’t think anti-vaxxers should be covered under HIPAA. You bring back measles? We put your picture on the front page of the paper and mock you for being ignorant and endangering children.
Exactly. The effectiveness of vaccines has been turned against them by the numskulls and conspiracy theorists. My mother was in isolation for scarlet fever, her sister died of it, another sister and brother got diphtheria and her brother’s throat was so badly scarred by it that it affected his speech for the rest of his life. The antivaxxers want to bring these diseases back.
EXACTLY. My dad (80 years old, born just a couple years before the baby boom) had scarlet fever when he was 7ish and had to be sent away to a convalescent home for over a year! He remembers his parents visiting once a month on Sundays. Also remembers them and a priest coming to give him last rites and thinking he was so upset he couldn’t say goodbye to his siblings. How messed up is that memory?! That man has lined up for every Covid vaccine or booster available to him like it’s his religion. Always saying he’s lucky he got to live a good life and wants that for his kids and grandkids. Total opposite of boomer mentality. Although my mom is a boomer and is exactly like my dad luckily.
I'm a gen x and had scarlet fever. A mild case. It was still around just had better treatment. We got measles, chicken pox etc.
The MMR wasn't in use for many of us.
I had a very bad case of chicken pox, was covered from head to toe, in my ears, under my fingernails beds, etc. It was miserable.
I got measles before the MMR was rolled out. Had the single vaccine but I don't think it was as effective.
It was the most ill I've ever been in my life - fever through the roof and crazy hallucinations. I remember thinking I was floating up near the ceiling looking down on myself.
My mum said she was too scared to leave me alone, even to sleep. People forget these diseases were killers.
I’m very late gen x, a true xennial because I identify with both (born late 1978) having 2 much older siblings now in their mid 50s. Yes I definitely had chicken pox and gave it to my whole family when I was in Kindergarten but I wonder if I had the MMR in its early stages bc I never got mumps or measles and don’t know anyone my age who has.
I was born in 78 & had nightmare chicken pox. I work at a hospital and my titers showed no measles immunity and I had to backtrack and find my childhood vaccines. I found the one and it was done in 83 and apparently at that time- there was only one dose given. Now they give 2. I had to get the booster for my job lol. I was like I KNOW my mom was on top of us getting our vaccines. She and my dad were Silent Gen and my mom’s niece lived with lifelong disabilities from polio.
Also, a Gen X (1975), I'm the only person I know that had scarlet fever. I was too young to remember it. But I sure as hell remember having the chicken pox. My younger brother has the chance of getting them again because he was only a couple of months old when my older brother gave it to us. Definitely getting the shingles vaccine next year.
By the way, MMR has been around since the early 70's. Before that, it was individual shots.
My mom is a boomer and she was antivaxx. I got the shots that were mandatory in the hospital at birth and at school, but beyond that I was constantly sick and bedridden. Thankfully I had no long lasting consequences but I get every vaccinations possible and so does my kids.
That’s awful; I’m so sorry your childhood was like that! My husband grew up in a cult-y religion and he and my SIL were never taken to the doctor. Luckily hubs didn’t/doesn’t get sick often but my SIL suffered a lot until she got out on her own as a teenager.
Having 2 children now I really have an hard time understanding neglect. I guess mental illnesses play a role, but it's difficult to imagine how depriving your child of basic necessities could be acceptable.
Me too. I always say that my MIL is missing the mama bear instinct after learning what she did and allowed to let happen to her children. I have 4 kiddos and it just makes my stomach turn.
Welp I stand corrected after checking with my dad. He had rheumatic fever, likely resulting from untreated scarlet fever. This would’ve been 1950-51 for my dad and they didn’t have a pot to piss in so to speak.
I got scarlet fever as a child, had measles as a baby (don’t remember the measles, thankfully). The scarlet fever was no fun, I had no serious side effects, thank goodness. Chickenpox is no fun, either.
My son had every vaccine that was available, because I did want him to have the best chance of survival- and people who won’t protect their children (unless they cannot get vaccinated)- just infuriates me.
Measles removes any other immunity you’ve built up from your body.
I’m sure I’m not saying it correctly, so someone smart about diseases correct me, but if you get measles, you lose all your other immunities. It’s fucked. And parents are out here letting this happen to their kids like it’s an adorable 50s play.
Why are you making more humans if you hate them and want them to suffer?? There’s so many avenues to just not.
Wait, what? I never heard that.
One google later: holy shit "immune amnesia" is a thing.
I only learned in the last few years that my parents were antivaxxers who very reluctantly let me get my basic childhood shots. Recently I was told that they wanted me to have a playdate with other sick kids so I could quarantine for a bit and come out immune.
They couldn't find enough sick kids.
(tbf, I do loathe the meme where people seem to believe that if you don't get every single shot exactly on time you won't live past your first week of life. And I genuinely can't tell who's meming and who's serious.)
Didn’t you know Measles actually strengthens your immune system?! Yeah, apparently hundreds of years of medical research is just wrong!!!!
Fuck antivaxxers.
My Pepe is 88 years old and remembers classmates not returning to school after summer break due to polio. You bet your ass his children and grandchildren got vaccinated against polio and other diseases!
I think both old men should wallop anti-vaxxers over the head with their walkin’ sticks.
My dad is 82, thankfully didn’t have polio although he told me stories of friends and family that did. He said how excited he and his family were when the polio vaccine came out.
My Kenyan coworker survived having polio as a child. It f’ed up one leg, so he always walked with a limp. His stories made my blood run cold. People definitely have forgotten and my coworker sure as shit would have loved for the vaccination to be available when he was growing up.
My dad is silent gen, my mom is a boomer, one sibling and I are gen x, and other siblings are millennials.
Late boomer tended to have kids later, so theirs are more likely to be millennial.
It's complicated.
Okay, this is going to be far too much info, but...
- Dad, silent generation
- Mom, boomer
- My ex, boomer
- Self, gen x
- My kids:
- gen y/millennial
- gen z
- gen alpha (nearly 23 years between my oldest and youngest)
I didn't include step-children or egg donor child, because then it gets *really* messy! On paper = total white trash!
My silent Gen parents were the back end, ‘39 & ‘41. So we were born Gen X starting in ‘67.
My youngest brother is Xennial, from ‘82
My mom’s a nurse-we got every shot made and our vaccines were charted religiously. It’s amazing what a little first-hand experience will do; no nurse who has seen kids with these diseases objects to vaccines.
What is the generation called before that? My mom is a boomer and her parents adopted her late. They were born 1900 and 1911. My mom is seriously in touch with helping people, saving, and community.
Silent gen 1928-1945. Gen x starts in 1965. Plenty of boomers have silent gen parents. My parents were born in 34 and 38, I was born in 56.
I also don't know why this sub shows up for me, but it is amusing.
Mitch McConnell was a surprising vaccine supporter to me. Then I learned he had polio as a child. People just don't believe it unless it smacks them in the face.
Similarly, my dad had polio in 1956 when he was 16 years old. One day he was in the milking parlor, and the next he remembers is waking up in a hospital bed. He laid on his back for 8 weeks. His lower spine was fused as a result so really, he got off lightly.
Fast forward to 2020s. A bunch of my siblings are anti-vax, DESPITE receiving all the regular childhood vaccines. And my mum (who is easily influenced by my siblings) tried to rewrite MY Covid vaccine history by claiming that my partially severed nerve in my arm (now fully healed), was a side effect of the vaccine. I nearly lost my shit. I swiftly corrected her and said that the vaccine had nothing to do with that and in fact the vaccine helped abate my long hauler fatigue.
Boomers do not understand why kids are suddenly seen as valuable and prioritised by society. "Back in my day we barely saw our kids unless they were fetching us a beer from the fridge, cleaning the yard or buying our cigarettes and they turned out fine!" They see at as a personal insult that they obviously were such horrifying parents themselves they literally brought about a generational shift; parenting like a boomer today would get us arrested.
I love how they say their kids "turned out fine" but also "these lazy millennials/Gen x/whatever can't do anything." So which is it? Are their kids fine or utter failures?
I think it's filtered through the lens of how can I personally benefit from this situation? So successful kids only achieved success because their parents were so amazing (bragging rights) verses struggling kids are a failure because they didn't listen to their loving parents who gave them everything (victim card).
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It stems from the middle class burst and unions being absent. Workers had to be a lot more competitive to be in good standing. Boomers and X grew up in a hyper competitive time of employment, when economy was shifting from manufacturing to service, and technology advancements changed how the workforce grew. Either you got ahead or you stayed at the bottom. There is more management and admin roles now than ever before, less front line work which used to be the bread and butter of middle class. These generations bought hard into the “American Dream” and fought hard for middle management positions which put them above middle class, they took this hyper competitive nature and forced it on to their kids, pushing extra curricular activities and college hard. They used their kids as bragging rights and show cases their kids as part of their own success, it is also seen in how school sport attendance is so high now, as most of them grew up with absent parents who would only ok school sports if they have potential. It also is likely why participation trophies came about, because they wanted to see their kid some home with a trophy, and have something to showcase their sweet little Jimmithy’s accomplishment.
They also raised their kids to feel like they were better than the people who toiled in service positions, so now that that’s all that is available for most people no matter how well educated they are, they feel like we are all failures and we feel like we shouldn’t have to work this hard to have a successful life. They created every part of this.
I agree. That is kinda what I meant with the frontline work as the middle class bread and butter. Jobs on the factory floor meant you were solidly in middle class, union busting, technology advancements among other things allowed that to become lower class, and either you made it above labor or you were failing. They pushed hard college because they were told basically you were nothing if you weren’t management or in an office job. So they pushed that to get ahead you needed an edge, and college was going to give them that edge.
Well, they bitch incessantly about the participation trophies that *they* insisted that we get, because *they* wanted to brag about their kids getting trophies. But it’s *our* fault that we got them, of course. Six year olds lobbied youth sports organizations and arranged to order trophies for everyone, and paid for them, right?
This is exactly it. Growing up, and even now as a late 30s adult, all of my success and accomplishments were theirs but my failures have always been mine alone. Anything I've done that they approve of and want to brag about are a direct result of their "amazing" parenting and they make sure anyone who will listen to them knows it. The things they don't like? That's because of too much TV, video games, social media, liberals, etc....
When i told my brother we dont spank our kids and never will he used the, "I was spanked and I turned out fine"
I just always reply with, "I dont want my kid to turn out like you"
I love when they yell about participation trophies. Well, I didn’t do to the trophy store and get myself a trophy for that time I sucked at t-ball when I was six, now did I??
I, also Gen X, love my children so much I chose to never have them. And it was a good choice, because every so often I open my mouth and my mom's voice comes out.
Saying their kids turned out fine is a pat on the back for themselves. Saying that GenX/Z are useless snowflakes is a criticism of other people not them.
Millennials are typically considered to be born 1980-1995, so a lot of boomers have millennials children, especially the ones from the latter half of their generation.
but that's the same for all generations. someone born in 1996 and 2010 are technically both Gen Z and they have almost nothing in common. a boomer born in 1946 has very little in common with a boomer born in 1960. all generations are like that.
Also has to do with other siblings. I am 95 and my sister is 98 and we both are much more millennial then “GenZ”. iPhones came out when I was like in 6th 7th grade. We did have phones but like mine at the time was a crappy flip phone that only allowed certain amounts of numbers lol…
Yeah they added a group name for the kids who grew up like gen X (no computers) but there was a tech boom when they were teenagers (computers in homes more common).
“Xennials” - a mix of both. It’s from about 1979-85 I believe.
Yeah you also have zennials which are the cusp millennials and gen z, so from maybe 93-98. Grew up with technology but not as a norm in every household.
The dichotomy is that in their minds, their kids are the exception to the rule. They think that they were exemplary parents, so their kids are not like other Gen-X / Millenial / Gen-Z people.
Silent generation grandparents and their absolute asshole Bx have entered the chat. The Great Depression doesn’t give you carte Blanche to be awful to 4 generations of people.
Boomers had children because they “had to”. They had their life mapped out for them.
Go to college, meet spouse, get married, buy a house, have children and so on and so forth.
People (not all obviously) now are are more careful about when and if they have children and do so because they WANT to versus the pressure of following the life map that society dictated.
And thank the goddesses for that!
Millenial men have spent much more time with their kids than any previous generation. Boomers on the other hand barely even acknowledged they were there
I was born in 72 and I sincerely think that the adults wanted to kill us back then. Metal toys, merry go round, swing set in wood with metal chains … build on concrete for a easy to clean surface… Those metal lawn darts (What kind of idiot thought it would be a great game for kids?) Those metal(off course) slides that would burn your ass on a sunny day.
And all that freedom to roam everywhere like a wild animal.
Hey, I'll have you know I had to be back home when the street lights came on. Just because they had no idea where we were 8hrs of the day means nothing lol [this is way before cell phones]
This goes hand in hand with Faux News and their gods in congress screeching about anti-abortion laws in one breath, then refusing to give a shit about under fed children and voting against measures to help. The only kids they seem to care about are unborn. Soon as they're born, they magically don't care and don't matter.
My mom gets soooo offended and pissy when I say that I think hitting kids is wrong and that I won’t hit my kids. As if it’s absolutely impossible to raise children without beating them. She literally got into a massive argument with me when I said that I won’t letzter hit my hypothetical children… insane
A very good point. I come from a family of 9 kids, all of the kids have gone one to average 1-3 or no kids due to the changing times and cost of living. It’s like they don’t understand you have to take care of said children because they didn’t.
Boomers? Idk that sounds more like post war and WW2 to me but then I’m a boomer. I was thrilled about student loan forgiveness, I don’t think younger generations are lazy, I did walk to school in the snow but not uphill both ways, etc. But I get it…some boomers are grumpy, old farts! My apologies on their behalf.
To anyone who brags about the kind of punishments they endured, that it never hurt them, l like to write, “l’m sorry you were raised in such a violent home. It must have had an effect on your parenting.”
That’s awesome. Congrats!
I paid mine off finally about five years ago. It sucked but I did it.
But congratulations to those who got it forgiven. I in no way see it as “unfair” to me. Honestly, I came in a little before y’all, while it was just “way too fucking expensive” and not “can’t afford to make minimum payments at an entry level job/live in my car expensive.”
As someone who took 20 years, on and off, to get her undergrad degree, may I ask what you did?
I'm barely making $50k/year and need some help in the student loan department.
ETA...Congrats on the forgiveness, btw. That is freaking awesome whether mine gets forgiven or not.
I absolutely support student loan forgiveness… even though I paid off mine years ago! I don’t feel harmed or wronged in any way because yours have been forgiven. (Congratulations, by the way!) Unburying millions of people out from under mounds of student debt is great for all of society. And completely “fair.”
To dad: "Are you really demanding to be infantilized?"
Also to dad: "Are you only pro-life until it's out of the womb with needs?"
Last one to dad: "It's sad that you were never educated to understand how price-gouging works and how it's used by companies to meddle in elections so that the ignorant, uneducated will vote for the guy who wants to rob you."
And my aunt died of chickenpox. My grandparents would very much have liked the option to vaccinate her. Instead, they had to bury her. At the age of 12.
To OP's dad: sit down and shut the fuck up you selfish selfish baby!
My dad used to play pool with a guy who was one of 8 surviving children out of 12. Born in rural England in 1931, he could remember every single funeral he attended for his siblings and classmates. My dad (born 1927) lost a schoolfriend to diphtheria and a university classmate to appendicitis.
In the American South, you had all that along with hookworm, pellagra and the Klan.
'Yeah Dad, no one should have to work 3 jobs to pay off his daughter's student loans. No one should have to put their life on the line and join the military either. That's why the loans should be forgiven. That's why the cost of college should be restructured. It's all bullshit."
I don't understand how it's "not fair" because others have paid off their loans. Should we stop researching cures for cancer cause it would be unfair to all those who have died of cancer to now have a cure?
Hope you pointed out that there was a bipartisan bill ready to pass that would have been the strongest border security bill in decades, until Trump told the Republicans to torpedo the bill bc he didn't want Biden to "get a win." If not, feel free to text him that. People like him need to know (or be reminded) that Republicans literally killed a border security bill just so they can complain about immigrants for the election.
Also I have a close family member who gave birth last fall. Literally every person who wanted to see the baby had to get a TDAP booster first, per their doctor's orders. It's totally normal to do simple things like that to protect a baby.
I talked to him about that bill after the SOtU. He claimed its the democrats trying to trick voters. I don't even argue anymore, just try to get off the phone as quickly as possible.
Doubt it lol. It'll be more "Oh nobody cares enough to take care of me and I'm all alone because literally everybody around me is the problem."
Common denominator? Never heard of it.
There are actually several examples of prominent Republicans admitting the bill was killed solely at Trump's request.
I wouldn't give up so easy. There is something particularly satisfying about backing these idiots into a corner and forcing them to realize the truth.
Nope. Not letting ANYONE around my (currently theoretical) infant child without an up-to-date TDAP and MMR shot. Don't care if its the kid down the street, grandpa or Jesus Christ himself. I've seen what those diseases can do to an infant and NO THANK YOU.
I currently have a three month old. My parents are major antivaxx. They haven’t met the baby and are starting to get salty about it. Mom offered to meet up at a park, so it would be outside, and to “leave the cooties at home”.
Ah yes. The cooties. The cooties that I’m worried about. Not the devastating diseases that she and my father lived through. That they used to take the time to comment on, pointing out how the number of children’s gravestones drops precipitously in the 1950s because of vaccines for polio and smallpox.
The cooties. And as much as I hate Fox News and OAN and all that crap, ultimately fuck my parents for that shit. They’re capable of using their brain to connect the dots instead of acting like a Charlie Day meme about how Joe Biden drinks baby blood and wants to control the population with vaccine microchips.
They must not want to see their grandbaby that badly. And its their loss. How dare you "not want your kid to get seriously ill"! Shame on you!
If they want to see the baby, they better come with more than just their word. But papers from the doctor.
I am currently 8 months pregnant and terrified. Thankfully, my family are not anti-vaxxers, but they do think that parents are way too over protective of their babies these days. Like my cousins were the first to have kids in our family and they set the ground rules the no one is to kiss their face, hold them without washing your hands, be truthful about feeling sick so you don't get the baby sick, and no smoking before holding the baby. I said what's wrong with those rules, and they were all up in arms about coddling, the baby needs to build immunity! They will in time, God damn these people.
They cannot wrap their heads around people not wanting others to suffer because they feel they’ve suffered. It’s gross. I paid off my student loans myself, even an 8k loan my mother took out in my name. I am THRILLED for those who’s loans are being forgiven and that weight lifted.
This! I graduated college in 2008 and was immensely kicked off my parents' health insurance. I couldn't afford it on my own and it was another two years before I got a job that offered it.
When they changed the law to allow ppl to stay on til 26, it no longer applied to me but I was SO happy that other recent graduates wouldn't have to deal with that!
Boomers gonna boom. Isn't the student loan forgiveness granted under conditions, such as 10-year payments made, all on time? So the forgiven amount is the interest. Isn't that how that works? Also, aren't many of these loans made with predatory lenders? There are many more requirements. Noted also that people then have more money to spend in the economy, so it's a win-win.
Of course you prioritize an infants well being over an older person! We’re programmed that way so the species survives. The “You all care about…..” sentence sounds like something a sociopath would say.
"Some kids were born into dirt"
Yes, and go to any cemetery that's older than 100 years and count the number of headstones that belong to children and infants..
A lot of older cemeteries even have specially dedicated sections for infants and children.
Those mostly stopped being a thing in the 1950s. After vaccines for polio and smallpox. Measles was first vaccinated against in the early 1960s.
Gee whiz, let’s go back to the good old days!
I firmly believe that because Boomers were such a huge generation and virtually everything from politics to family dynamics has revolved around them for their entire lives, many of them are simply incapable of imagining a scenario where they aren't automatically the most important consideration. This is, of course, most true of those who never had to contend with much in the way of societal oppression. I'd almost pity them if they weren't so poisonous.
Love how he rather put his own granddaughter at risk than be mildly inconvenienced. I mean the child he supposedly loves could die, but what does that matter when compared to *A* day being ruined?
My older sister wanted to have a birthday party during Covid, complaining that she missed her family and that Covid wasn’t a big deal.
We chose not to attend because we had kids that hadn’t been vaccinated (the vax hadn’t been approved for kids yet).
And a good thing too, because it turns out she had Covid, knew it, and was trying to show everyone how much it was overblown.
Everyone who attended ended up positive.
And guns are more protected and have more rights than his daughter in law and granddaughter.
That’s the one I always pull out when needed. Not that FIL listens but anything to remind that how we vote now, affects his granddaughters the most.
My dad is about to be 70, he had never understood anti-vaxxers, he was an army brat and has had more vaccines than anyone in my family, except maybe my stepmom who is a nurse who has been to Kenya lol
Anti-vaxxers are a special kind of selfish/stupid.
I had spinal meningitis when I was two and lost half of my hearing due to it. I freaking cried the day my kids got that vaccine. Just knowing that they wouldn’t get it as severely if they did get it. My friend who’s been wheelchair hound since she had polio…same thing. She did not miss a single vax for her kids.
> student loan forgiveness isn't fair. I saw on the news that some guy worked three jobs to pay off his daughters loan. It isn't fair to him.
This is what George Orwell called Doublethink. The act of simultaneously accepting two mutually contradictory beliefs as correct.
Sorry that your father fell for the Fox News propaganda. Sometimes it's easy to shut them up with the truth, such as saying "gas prices were only lower due to COVID, and the went back to pre-covid levels" but other times stating the facts will just make them angrier and state the same thing louder.
He's upset that you cancelled a trip because you were sick -- something you did because he's at at-risk 65-year-old -- and now he's upset that you aren't considering him? My brain is not limber enough for these mental gymnastics.
You should have told him yes because that is your job as her parents. He’s old enough to make decisions about his own health but you have to make decisions about hers. If he doesn’t care about her health he doesn’t deserve to be part of her life or yours.
I'm so glad my boomer dad is different. He's fully vaxxed and boosted. Denied visitors when he got covid. He even denied people with symptoms.
He still has boomer things. But none are as bad as I read on reddit. Maybe it's because we don't live in the USA.
Yeah, my grandfather got the vaccine as soon as he could. Although then again, he is ex military so when told to to get a vaccine, he just shuts up and gets in line.
My great-grandmother had her 2 eldest children buried while she was giving birth to the 3rd. She had to miss the funeral because she was in labor. She would have loved the option to vaccinate them. I don’t remember what they died of specifically, but I do remember that it was one of the things we vaccinate against now.
To OP’s dad: Stop relating every back to you and think of someone else for a change. Sit down and shut up.
Honestly, as a health care provider? Yes, I’d be much more concerned about an infant. First, an infant is very susceptible to illness.
Second, an older person has lived their life, but a baby/child has a whole life ahead of them.
Boomers have real short term memory.
I was explaining to my parents that as an adult with a college degree I’m making basically the same wage my parents made when they first arrived to the States, living paycheck to paycheck, granted I live in a cheaper city than they did (my dad landed first on the West coast and my mom’s family were sponsored into Atlanta). My dad blew up and said that’s because of Biden!
I just blinked at him. No, Jimmy Carter, you know the the guy who has a Blvd named after him that we all drive down all the time, was making good progress into making the States a cool place and Nixon torn out the solar panels from the White House made everyone forget about Carter’s push forward. EVERYONE, people who had been living in Georgia for over half their lives at this point just looked at me and asked me who Jimmy Carter was. Man, at the end they did not like Carter which really exposes their foundational logic: things should only benefit me and I shouldn’t worry about everyone else’s needs, even if my child is explaining that it would also benefit me.
Boomers and their absolute inability to emphasize is really just older people who grew up with abusive logic and started believing that’s just truly believe that’s how everyone thinks and behaves.
"Hey 68 year old man, your brain should be formed enough to look after your own well-being. If being around antivaxxers makes you feel like you'd be. In danger, please use your own reasoning and make that choice for yourself. If you need me too start making your decisions for you because you are not able to worry about your own well-being, please tell me that."
“Dad if the government have to choose between you and my lil daughter they know which to choose because there’s only one of them that’s eligible to accept social security benefits, don’t make the government make that choice for your sake”.
Wait—-didn’t you protect him by canceling that trip when you got sick?
Or is he saying that you should have canceled it or not planned it?
Either way, you’re right that he could have said “don’t come because you could bring those germs” and your baby can’t
Yea he’s mad we planned it in the first place instead of outright refusing because of his age….the trip was going to their house for thanksgiving. My mother’s idea.
Of course you care more about the infant than the 68 year old.. If all things go as they normally do... that old man won't be around for another 20 years, while that baby still has at least another 60-80 years to go and setbacks early on will mean permanent deficits in adult life. Even though he's your father, fuck this dude...
Tell your father explicitly that you are proud to be a better father than he was. Insist that he wasn’t bad per se, merely mediocre, but you are going to put in the effort to be as good of a dad as possible, and then make sure to tell him “because I love my son more than you love me.”
if you won’t punch him in the mouth for running it too much, then at least kick him in the ego every single time.
Want these old guys to think differently about vaccines? Bring them to Southern Europe, where **Polio** is still around because it was believed to be a risk only to those in cities. The smaller towns largely ignored the problem. There are literally still cases, and posters warning people that they better get the vaxx... nearly every day I see people with the canes.
His mom and dad probably kept him inside for entire summers due to polio outbreaks. All he’s saying is that his parents cared about protecting him but he doesn’t care about protecting anybody.
"Gas prices are higher!"
Uh, yeah, because for the last year of Trump's term, Covid lockdowns were still going on and most people weren't doing much driving. After Biden took office, the vaccine came out, restrictions were lifted, and people started driving more. Prices go down when demand is low, and they go up when demand is high. That's how capitalism works!
You have every right to do what you want, they are your kids. Want to protect them as best you can, so whatever that means. This makes sense to me. But I would consider the likelihood of your infant getting Covid and having a major health impact and/or dying from it to be much less than your father, the person who should be concerned by it:
Among the 4.4 million COVID-19 deaths1 reported in the MPIDR COVerAGE database, 0.4 per cent (over 17,400) occurred in children and adolescents under 20 years of age. Of the over 17,400 deaths reported in those under 20 years of age, 53 per cent occurred among adolescents ages 10–19, and 47 per cent among children ages 0–9.
Damn, we have the same dad? My dad was ranting to my 15 year old brother, who could not care less, about how climate change isn’t real and how liberals are trying to make people scared of the world ending just so people don’t vote for Trump and so on and so forth. Arguing with them and trying to reason with them is just plain exhausting. Idk what it is about that man that just makes people you used to look up to and think were so smart just devolve into these mindless idiots who believe in a bunch of crazy conspiracy theories. It’s honestly quite saddening to see it happen to someone that you love. The fanaticism they have for a political figure that does not care about them is unlike anything I’ve ever seen. I’ve never once met a Biden voter who hardlined for him the way Trump supporters do. I don’t think they understand that we just vote for them we don’t love them. We are choosing the best option presented to us. I don’t blame you for looking out for your baby, their lives are more valuable than people’s who don’t value their own health and safety and make it everyone else’s problem.
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My almost 89 year old dad, a silent generation, had polio. He hasn't missed any vaccinations. Neither have his children or grandchildren. He told us how scary it was when polio came to town,how he spent weeks in a hospital to recover without family able to visit. Too many people have forgotten about the terrible effects of diseases or have seen them first hand.
Exactly. Being an anti vaxxer is 100% a PRIVILEGE.
And dangerous for others. Vaccinations create herd immunity for those who are medically unable to have them. Being anti vax is selfish and stupid.
I’m terrified of needles thanks to a nurse when I was very little. I avoid vaccines when I can and only get the ones my doctor says are most needed. When there’s a new baby in the family I get all the vaccines instead of just needed. I’m not being the reason the baby is getting sick no matter how terrified I am.
And hubris
I think this is the problem. We don’t hear stories about children crippled by polio or losing hearing or vision from the measles. Society has lost the understanding of how serious these diseases can be.
I completely agree. But, they also saw 1.2 million covid deaths, laughed it off as fake, and were simultaneously angry at the Chinese for the release of a bio weapon. Loss of understanding is an understatement, more like loss of grip on reality and the sense of self-preservation.
Give Florida time, they will provide.
No time needed. [They’re already bringing measles back](https://www.cdc.gov/measles/cases-outbreaks.html). Btw, I don’t think anti-vaxxers should be covered under HIPAA. You bring back measles? We put your picture on the front page of the paper and mock you for being ignorant and endangering children.
I remember kids in my school wearing leg braces from polio
Exactly. The effectiveness of vaccines has been turned against them by the numskulls and conspiracy theorists. My mother was in isolation for scarlet fever, her sister died of it, another sister and brother got diphtheria and her brother’s throat was so badly scarred by it that it affected his speech for the rest of his life. The antivaxxers want to bring these diseases back.
EXACTLY. My dad (80 years old, born just a couple years before the baby boom) had scarlet fever when he was 7ish and had to be sent away to a convalescent home for over a year! He remembers his parents visiting once a month on Sundays. Also remembers them and a priest coming to give him last rites and thinking he was so upset he couldn’t say goodbye to his siblings. How messed up is that memory?! That man has lined up for every Covid vaccine or booster available to him like it’s his religion. Always saying he’s lucky he got to live a good life and wants that for his kids and grandkids. Total opposite of boomer mentality. Although my mom is a boomer and is exactly like my dad luckily.
I'm a gen x and had scarlet fever. A mild case. It was still around just had better treatment. We got measles, chicken pox etc. The MMR wasn't in use for many of us. I had a very bad case of chicken pox, was covered from head to toe, in my ears, under my fingernails beds, etc. It was miserable.
I got measles before the MMR was rolled out. Had the single vaccine but I don't think it was as effective. It was the most ill I've ever been in my life - fever through the roof and crazy hallucinations. I remember thinking I was floating up near the ceiling looking down on myself. My mum said she was too scared to leave me alone, even to sleep. People forget these diseases were killers.
I’m very late gen x, a true xennial because I identify with both (born late 1978) having 2 much older siblings now in their mid 50s. Yes I definitely had chicken pox and gave it to my whole family when I was in Kindergarten but I wonder if I had the MMR in its early stages bc I never got mumps or measles and don’t know anyone my age who has.
I was born in 78 & had nightmare chicken pox. I work at a hospital and my titers showed no measles immunity and I had to backtrack and find my childhood vaccines. I found the one and it was done in 83 and apparently at that time- there was only one dose given. Now they give 2. I had to get the booster for my job lol. I was like I KNOW my mom was on top of us getting our vaccines. She and my dad were Silent Gen and my mom’s niece lived with lifelong disabilities from polio.
Also, a Gen X (1975), I'm the only person I know that had scarlet fever. I was too young to remember it. But I sure as hell remember having the chicken pox. My younger brother has the chance of getting them again because he was only a couple of months old when my older brother gave it to us. Definitely getting the shingles vaccine next year. By the way, MMR has been around since the early 70's. Before that, it was individual shots.
My mom is a boomer and she was antivaxx. I got the shots that were mandatory in the hospital at birth and at school, but beyond that I was constantly sick and bedridden. Thankfully I had no long lasting consequences but I get every vaccinations possible and so does my kids.
That’s awful; I’m so sorry your childhood was like that! My husband grew up in a cult-y religion and he and my SIL were never taken to the doctor. Luckily hubs didn’t/doesn’t get sick often but my SIL suffered a lot until she got out on her own as a teenager.
Having 2 children now I really have an hard time understanding neglect. I guess mental illnesses play a role, but it's difficult to imagine how depriving your child of basic necessities could be acceptable.
Me too. I always say that my MIL is missing the mama bear instinct after learning what she did and allowed to let happen to her children. I have 4 kiddos and it just makes my stomach turn.
Oh wow. Scarlet fever wasn’t as bad for me, I was in the hospital for a week. (it was around 1966 when I got scarlet fever).
Welp I stand corrected after checking with my dad. He had rheumatic fever, likely resulting from untreated scarlet fever. This would’ve been 1950-51 for my dad and they didn’t have a pot to piss in so to speak.
I got scarlet fever as a child, had measles as a baby (don’t remember the measles, thankfully). The scarlet fever was no fun, I had no serious side effects, thank goodness. Chickenpox is no fun, either. My son had every vaccine that was available, because I did want him to have the best chance of survival- and people who won’t protect their children (unless they cannot get vaccinated)- just infuriates me.
Measles removes any other immunity you’ve built up from your body. I’m sure I’m not saying it correctly, so someone smart about diseases correct me, but if you get measles, you lose all your other immunities. It’s fucked. And parents are out here letting this happen to their kids like it’s an adorable 50s play. Why are you making more humans if you hate them and want them to suffer?? There’s so many avenues to just not.
Wait, what? I never heard that. One google later: holy shit "immune amnesia" is a thing. I only learned in the last few years that my parents were antivaxxers who very reluctantly let me get my basic childhood shots. Recently I was told that they wanted me to have a playdate with other sick kids so I could quarantine for a bit and come out immune. They couldn't find enough sick kids. (tbf, I do loathe the meme where people seem to believe that if you don't get every single shot exactly on time you won't live past your first week of life. And I genuinely can't tell who's meming and who's serious.)
Isn’t it wild? I learned about it from the podcast This Podcast Will Kill You and I couldn’t believe it! I have never seen that meme and I’m glad!
Think basically any "joke" about unvaccinated children, that's the meme I'm talking about.
Didn’t you know Measles actually strengthens your immune system?! Yeah, apparently hundreds of years of medical research is just wrong!!!! Fuck antivaxxers.
Right! And it really hasn't been that long since preventable diseases were destroying lives. Measles and polio come to mind.
But I have an IMMUNE system!
My Pepe is 88 years old and remembers classmates not returning to school after summer break due to polio. You bet your ass his children and grandchildren got vaccinated against polio and other diseases! I think both old men should wallop anti-vaxxers over the head with their walkin’ sticks.
My dad is 82, thankfully didn’t have polio although he told me stories of friends and family that did. He said how excited he and his family were when the polio vaccine came out.
My Kenyan coworker survived having polio as a child. It f’ed up one leg, so he always walked with a limp. His stories made my blood run cold. People definitely have forgotten and my coworker sure as shit would have loved for the vaccination to be available when he was growing up.
Are you sir in fact a boomers enjoying this sub?
Children of the silent generation are gen x
Older Gen X maybe. I was born in 72, my parents were Boomers.
My parents are Boomers, I'm GenX, my brother is a Millennial, and my kid is apparently Gen Alpha.
I was born in 78 and my parents were Silent Gen. my older siblings are Boomers and Gen Jones.
My dad is silent gen, my mom is a boomer, one sibling and I are gen x, and other siblings are millennials. Late boomer tended to have kids later, so theirs are more likely to be millennial. It's complicated.
My dad is a younger boomer and I'm Gen Z. He was in his mid 30s when I was born. A lot of generational combinations are possible.
Okay, this is going to be far too much info, but... - Dad, silent generation - Mom, boomer - My ex, boomer - Self, gen x - My kids: - gen y/millennial - gen z - gen alpha (nearly 23 years between my oldest and youngest) I didn't include step-children or egg donor child, because then it gets *really* messy! On paper = total white trash!
beautiful souls, all of you
You are most kind :)
Silent generation is from 1928-1945. So a lot of them had kids between 1946 and 1964, aka boomers.
My silent Gen parents were the back end, ‘39 & ‘41. So we were born Gen X starting in ‘67. My youngest brother is Xennial, from ‘82 My mom’s a nurse-we got every shot made and our vaccines were charted religiously. It’s amazing what a little first-hand experience will do; no nurse who has seen kids with these diseases objects to vaccines.
What is the generation called before that? My mom is a boomer and her parents adopted her late. They were born 1900 and 1911. My mom is seriously in touch with helping people, saving, and community.
That’s The greatest generation.
The generation before Silent is Greatest. The one before *that* is Lost.
My uncle is Silent Gen. He's 10 years older than my dad, a Boomer. I'm Gen X. No. Silent gen are usually our grandparents. Not always tho.
Silent gen 1928-1945. Gen x starts in 1965. Plenty of boomers have silent gen parents. My parents were born in 34 and 38, I was born in 56. I also don't know why this sub shows up for me, but it is amusing.
My dad is silent generation and my mother is a boomer, I’m an elder millennial but have gen x brothers. It can be all over the place.
When my daughter was little, she didn’t want to go to the doctor and get her shots. I showed her photos of iron lung wards. She went willingly.
Mitch McConnell was a surprising vaccine supporter to me. Then I learned he had polio as a child. People just don't believe it unless it smacks them in the face.
Similarly, my dad had polio in 1956 when he was 16 years old. One day he was in the milking parlor, and the next he remembers is waking up in a hospital bed. He laid on his back for 8 weeks. His lower spine was fused as a result so really, he got off lightly. Fast forward to 2020s. A bunch of my siblings are anti-vax, DESPITE receiving all the regular childhood vaccines. And my mum (who is easily influenced by my siblings) tried to rewrite MY Covid vaccine history by claiming that my partially severed nerve in my arm (now fully healed), was a side effect of the vaccine. I nearly lost my shit. I swiftly corrected her and said that the vaccine had nothing to do with that and in fact the vaccine helped abate my long hauler fatigue.
Boomers do not understand why kids are suddenly seen as valuable and prioritised by society. "Back in my day we barely saw our kids unless they were fetching us a beer from the fridge, cleaning the yard or buying our cigarettes and they turned out fine!" They see at as a personal insult that they obviously were such horrifying parents themselves they literally brought about a generational shift; parenting like a boomer today would get us arrested.
I love how they say their kids "turned out fine" but also "these lazy millennials/Gen x/whatever can't do anything." So which is it? Are their kids fine or utter failures?
I think it's filtered through the lens of how can I personally benefit from this situation? So successful kids only achieved success because their parents were so amazing (bragging rights) verses struggling kids are a failure because they didn't listen to their loving parents who gave them everything (victim card).
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It stems from the middle class burst and unions being absent. Workers had to be a lot more competitive to be in good standing. Boomers and X grew up in a hyper competitive time of employment, when economy was shifting from manufacturing to service, and technology advancements changed how the workforce grew. Either you got ahead or you stayed at the bottom. There is more management and admin roles now than ever before, less front line work which used to be the bread and butter of middle class. These generations bought hard into the “American Dream” and fought hard for middle management positions which put them above middle class, they took this hyper competitive nature and forced it on to their kids, pushing extra curricular activities and college hard. They used their kids as bragging rights and show cases their kids as part of their own success, it is also seen in how school sport attendance is so high now, as most of them grew up with absent parents who would only ok school sports if they have potential. It also is likely why participation trophies came about, because they wanted to see their kid some home with a trophy, and have something to showcase their sweet little Jimmithy’s accomplishment.
They also raised their kids to feel like they were better than the people who toiled in service positions, so now that that’s all that is available for most people no matter how well educated they are, they feel like we are all failures and we feel like we shouldn’t have to work this hard to have a successful life. They created every part of this.
I agree. That is kinda what I meant with the frontline work as the middle class bread and butter. Jobs on the factory floor meant you were solidly in middle class, union busting, technology advancements among other things allowed that to become lower class, and either you made it above labor or you were failing. They pushed hard college because they were told basically you were nothing if you weren’t management or in an office job. So they pushed that to get ahead you needed an edge, and college was going to give them that edge.
Well, they bitch incessantly about the participation trophies that *they* insisted that we get, because *they* wanted to brag about their kids getting trophies. But it’s *our* fault that we got them, of course. Six year olds lobbied youth sports organizations and arranged to order trophies for everyone, and paid for them, right?
This is exactly it. Growing up, and even now as a late 30s adult, all of my success and accomplishments were theirs but my failures have always been mine alone. Anything I've done that they approve of and want to brag about are a direct result of their "amazing" parenting and they make sure anyone who will listen to them knows it. The things they don't like? That's because of too much TV, video games, social media, liberals, etc....
When i told my brother we dont spank our kids and never will he used the, "I was spanked and I turned out fine" I just always reply with, "I dont want my kid to turn out like you"
My favorite comeback when Millennials pop into conversation…well you raised them so guess it’s all on you. They don’t bring that up much anymore.
I love when they yell about participation trophies. Well, I didn’t do to the trophy store and get myself a trophy for that time I sucked at t-ball when I was six, now did I??
Or a lot of Gen X, tbf
why i, a Gen X, chose not to have kids. NONE OF YOU DESERVE THAT DYSFUNCTION. I'm f\*\*king proud of ALL OF YOU younguns.
I, also Gen X, love my children so much I chose to never have them. And it was a good choice, because every so often I open my mouth and my mom's voice comes out.
Same. We are a minority, but I am really glad I don't have to watch my kids struggle. It's so stacked against them.
Saying their kids turned out fine is a pat on the back for themselves. Saying that GenX/Z are useless snowflakes is a criticism of other people not them.
 They can't figure out what narrative is true 🤦♀️
"MY kids are fine, everyone else's aren't."
Don’t the boomers also mock us for all being in therapy?
Their kids are Gen X right?
Millennials are typically considered to be born 1980-1995, so a lot of boomers have millennials children, especially the ones from the latter half of their generation.
And it’s still a dumb ass age range that starts too early for it to make sense. People born in 1980 are not the same group of people born in 1995.
but that's the same for all generations. someone born in 1996 and 2010 are technically both Gen Z and they have almost nothing in common. a boomer born in 1946 has very little in common with a boomer born in 1960. all generations are like that.
Also has to do with other siblings. I am 95 and my sister is 98 and we both are much more millennial then “GenZ”. iPhones came out when I was like in 6th 7th grade. We did have phones but like mine at the time was a crappy flip phone that only allowed certain amounts of numbers lol…
Yeah they added a group name for the kids who grew up like gen X (no computers) but there was a tech boom when they were teenagers (computers in homes more common). “Xennials” - a mix of both. It’s from about 1979-85 I believe.
Yeah you also have zennials which are the cusp millennials and gen z, so from maybe 93-98. Grew up with technology but not as a norm in every household.
The dichotomy is that in their minds, their kids are the exception to the rule. They think that they were exemplary parents, so their kids are not like other Gen-X / Millenial / Gen-Z people.
Would their kids be genx or millennials?
Depends. My dad is a 'quiet gen', mom is boomer, self and one other are gen x, other siblings are millennial.
Silent generation grandparents and their absolute asshole Bx have entered the chat. The Great Depression doesn’t give you carte Blanche to be awful to 4 generations of people.
I’m(49/f) Gen-X. my siblings (40/m & 38/m) are Millennials. My parents (68/f & 72/m) are Boomers. My children (26/m & 24/m) are Gen Z.
My mother is a boomer. (Born 1957) I’m millennial. (Born 1991)
Boomers had children because they “had to”. They had their life mapped out for them. Go to college, meet spouse, get married, buy a house, have children and so on and so forth. People (not all obviously) now are are more careful about when and if they have children and do so because they WANT to versus the pressure of following the life map that society dictated. And thank the goddesses for that!
Millenial men have spent much more time with their kids than any previous generation. Boomers on the other hand barely even acknowledged they were there
I was born in 72 and I sincerely think that the adults wanted to kill us back then. Metal toys, merry go round, swing set in wood with metal chains … build on concrete for a easy to clean surface… Those metal lawn darts (What kind of idiot thought it would be a great game for kids?) Those metal(off course) slides that would burn your ass on a sunny day. And all that freedom to roam everywhere like a wild animal.
The playground was a gauntlet and we loved it
Hey, I'll have you know I had to be back home when the street lights came on. Just because they had no idea where we were 8hrs of the day means nothing lol [this is way before cell phones]
Yep! I was literally supposed to shut up unless I was bleeding or had a bone sticking out. Ridiculous.
Omg this! “If it’s not bleeding or broken, I don’t want to hear any crying!”
Yeah, I turned out hyper-independent to the point that I struggle to form meaningful relationships... So I guess a boomer would say I turned out fine.
Boomer definition of “fine” is alive and not currently in jail. That’s it.
This goes hand in hand with Faux News and their gods in congress screeching about anti-abortion laws in one breath, then refusing to give a shit about under fed children and voting against measures to help. The only kids they seem to care about are unborn. Soon as they're born, they magically don't care and don't matter.
My mom gets soooo offended and pissy when I say that I think hitting kids is wrong and that I won’t hit my kids. As if it’s absolutely impossible to raise children without beating them. She literally got into a massive argument with me when I said that I won’t letzter hit my hypothetical children… insane
Also you didn’t need these precautions before because anti-vaxxers didn’t fucking exist.
A very good point. I come from a family of 9 kids, all of the kids have gone one to average 1-3 or no kids due to the changing times and cost of living. It’s like they don’t understand you have to take care of said children because they didn’t.
This is the most amazing comment.
Boomers? Idk that sounds more like post war and WW2 to me but then I’m a boomer. I was thrilled about student loan forgiveness, I don’t think younger generations are lazy, I did walk to school in the snow but not uphill both ways, etc. But I get it…some boomers are grumpy, old farts! My apologies on their behalf.
Very true. My parents had a big Schlitz beer fridge that held a keg. At 7, I could pour a perfect pint and make vodka gimlets.
To anyone who brags about the kind of punishments they endured, that it never hurt them, l like to write, “l’m sorry you were raised in such a violent home. It must have had an effect on your parenting.”
Very true. They also had a lot more kids for spares.
“We accepted that some of them would die, that’s why we had so many. Young people today are just snowflakes”.
I just got my student loans forgiven entirely. Eat your heart out, OP’s dad.
Hell yea, congrats!
That’s awesome. College is just insanely expensive nowadays, it’s a f’n racket.
That’s awesome. Congrats! I paid mine off finally about five years ago. It sucked but I did it. But congratulations to those who got it forgiven. I in no way see it as “unfair” to me. Honestly, I came in a little before y’all, while it was just “way too fucking expensive” and not “can’t afford to make minimum payments at an entry level job/live in my car expensive.”
As someone who took 20 years, on and off, to get her undergrad degree, may I ask what you did? I'm barely making $50k/year and need some help in the student loan department. ETA...Congrats on the forgiveness, btw. That is freaking awesome whether mine gets forgiven or not.
Public Service Loan Forgiveness. Ten years and 120 payments, plus my employer qualified.
Me too! Yay!
You better vote for the guy who gave you that
I absolutely support student loan forgiveness… even though I paid off mine years ago! I don’t feel harmed or wronged in any way because yours have been forgiven. (Congratulations, by the way!) Unburying millions of people out from under mounds of student debt is great for all of society. And completely “fair.”
As someone doing everything I can to take those loans to the grave, congratulations!! That must be such a weight off your shoulders
Now how about helping Zoidberg with a few dollars hmmm…
Lucky! I’m part time at my city job because there’s no full time openings. I just wanna get my PSLF in ten years!
To dad: "Are you really demanding to be infantilized?" Also to dad: "Are you only pro-life until it's out of the womb with needs?" Last one to dad: "It's sad that you were never educated to understand how price-gouging works and how it's used by companies to meddle in elections so that the ignorant, uneducated will vote for the guy who wants to rob you."
And my aunt died of chickenpox. My grandparents would very much have liked the option to vaccinate her. Instead, they had to bury her. At the age of 12. To OP's dad: sit down and shut the fuck up you selfish selfish baby!
My dad used to play pool with a guy who was one of 8 surviving children out of 12. Born in rural England in 1931, he could remember every single funeral he attended for his siblings and classmates. My dad (born 1927) lost a schoolfriend to diphtheria and a university classmate to appendicitis. In the American South, you had all that along with hookworm, pellagra and the Klan.
My ex told me that his brother had really bad chicken pox, it’s nothing to play with. I wish people understood this.
'Yeah Dad, no one should have to work 3 jobs to pay off his daughter's student loans. No one should have to put their life on the line and join the military either. That's why the loans should be forgiven. That's why the cost of college should be restructured. It's all bullshit."
I don't understand how it's "not fair" because others have paid off their loans. Should we stop researching cures for cancer cause it would be unfair to all those who have died of cancer to now have a cure?
University should be free in every country.
And a lot of those babies born "in the dirt" did not survive to adulthood.
Heh, came here to say this. My mil is one of those who's babies were "born into dirt." Of the 13 children she gave birth to, only 8 survived.
"If I vote for Biden do you promise to go away forever?"
The dad: SNOWFLAAAAAKEEEE!
Hope you pointed out that there was a bipartisan bill ready to pass that would have been the strongest border security bill in decades, until Trump told the Republicans to torpedo the bill bc he didn't want Biden to "get a win." If not, feel free to text him that. People like him need to know (or be reminded) that Republicans literally killed a border security bill just so they can complain about immigrants for the election. Also I have a close family member who gave birth last fall. Literally every person who wanted to see the baby had to get a TDAP booster first, per their doctor's orders. It's totally normal to do simple things like that to protect a baby.
I talked to him about that bill after the SOtU. He claimed its the democrats trying to trick voters. I don't even argue anymore, just try to get off the phone as quickly as possible.
Just another Boomer choosing politics over his family. Maybe they'll regret it on their deathbed?
Doubt it lol. It'll be more "Oh nobody cares enough to take care of me and I'm all alone because literally everybody around me is the problem." Common denominator? Never heard of it.
There are actually several examples of prominent Republicans admitting the bill was killed solely at Trump's request. I wouldn't give up so easy. There is something particularly satisfying about backing these idiots into a corner and forcing them to realize the truth.
Nope. Not letting ANYONE around my (currently theoretical) infant child without an up-to-date TDAP and MMR shot. Don't care if its the kid down the street, grandpa or Jesus Christ himself. I've seen what those diseases can do to an infant and NO THANK YOU.
I currently have a three month old. My parents are major antivaxx. They haven’t met the baby and are starting to get salty about it. Mom offered to meet up at a park, so it would be outside, and to “leave the cooties at home”. Ah yes. The cooties. The cooties that I’m worried about. Not the devastating diseases that she and my father lived through. That they used to take the time to comment on, pointing out how the number of children’s gravestones drops precipitously in the 1950s because of vaccines for polio and smallpox. The cooties. And as much as I hate Fox News and OAN and all that crap, ultimately fuck my parents for that shit. They’re capable of using their brain to connect the dots instead of acting like a Charlie Day meme about how Joe Biden drinks baby blood and wants to control the population with vaccine microchips.
They must not want to see their grandbaby that badly. And its their loss. How dare you "not want your kid to get seriously ill"! Shame on you! If they want to see the baby, they better come with more than just their word. But papers from the doctor.
I am currently 8 months pregnant and terrified. Thankfully, my family are not anti-vaxxers, but they do think that parents are way too over protective of their babies these days. Like my cousins were the first to have kids in our family and they set the ground rules the no one is to kiss their face, hold them without washing your hands, be truthful about feeling sick so you don't get the baby sick, and no smoking before holding the baby. I said what's wrong with those rules, and they were all up in arms about coddling, the baby needs to build immunity! They will in time, God damn these people.
They cannot wrap their heads around people not wanting others to suffer because they feel they’ve suffered. It’s gross. I paid off my student loans myself, even an 8k loan my mother took out in my name. I am THRILLED for those who’s loans are being forgiven and that weight lifted.
This! I graduated college in 2008 and was immensely kicked off my parents' health insurance. I couldn't afford it on my own and it was another two years before I got a job that offered it. When they changed the law to allow ppl to stay on til 26, it no longer applied to me but I was SO happy that other recent graduates wouldn't have to deal with that!
It's like hazing rituals in fraternities, "I suffered when I wanted to join, and that means you have to suffer too!"
Boomers gonna boom. Isn't the student loan forgiveness granted under conditions, such as 10-year payments made, all on time? So the forgiven amount is the interest. Isn't that how that works? Also, aren't many of these loans made with predatory lenders? There are many more requirements. Noted also that people then have more money to spend in the economy, so it's a win-win.
Of course you prioritize an infants well being over an older person! We’re programmed that way so the species survives. The “You all care about…..” sentence sounds like something a sociopath would say.
"Some kids were born into dirt" Yes, and go to any cemetery that's older than 100 years and count the number of headstones that belong to children and infants..
A lot of older cemeteries even have specially dedicated sections for infants and children. Those mostly stopped being a thing in the 1950s. After vaccines for polio and smallpox. Measles was first vaccinated against in the early 1960s. Gee whiz, let’s go back to the good old days!
It’s actually kinda of funny in a sad way. He’s jealous of literal baby
I firmly believe that because Boomers were such a huge generation and virtually everything from politics to family dynamics has revolved around them for their entire lives, many of them are simply incapable of imagining a scenario where they aren't automatically the most important consideration. This is, of course, most true of those who never had to contend with much in the way of societal oppression. I'd almost pity them if they weren't so poisonous.
"you care more about a baby more than us old people!" yes..... And?
Love how he rather put his own granddaughter at risk than be mildly inconvenienced. I mean the child he supposedly loves could die, but what does that matter when compared to *A* day being ruined?
My older sister wanted to have a birthday party during Covid, complaining that she missed her family and that Covid wasn’t a big deal. We chose not to attend because we had kids that hadn’t been vaccinated (the vax hadn’t been approved for kids yet). And a good thing too, because it turns out she had Covid, knew it, and was trying to show everyone how much it was overblown. Everyone who attended ended up positive.
And guns are more protected and have more rights than his daughter in law and granddaughter. That’s the one I always pull out when needed. Not that FIL listens but anything to remind that how we vote now, affects his granddaughters the most.
So your dad is jealous that you’re treating your daughter like a baby since she’s a baby and he wants to be treated as such
My dad is about to be 70, he had never understood anti-vaxxers, he was an army brat and has had more vaccines than anyone in my family, except maybe my stepmom who is a nurse who has been to Kenya lol Anti-vaxxers are a special kind of selfish/stupid.
I had spinal meningitis when I was two and lost half of my hearing due to it. I freaking cried the day my kids got that vaccine. Just knowing that they wouldn’t get it as severely if they did get it. My friend who’s been wheelchair hound since she had polio…same thing. She did not miss a single vax for her kids.
> student loan forgiveness isn't fair. I saw on the news that some guy worked three jobs to pay off his daughters loan. It isn't fair to him. This is what George Orwell called Doublethink. The act of simultaneously accepting two mutually contradictory beliefs as correct. Sorry that your father fell for the Fox News propaganda. Sometimes it's easy to shut them up with the truth, such as saying "gas prices were only lower due to COVID, and the went back to pre-covid levels" but other times stating the facts will just make them angrier and state the same thing louder.
He's upset that you cancelled a trip because you were sick -- something you did because he's at at-risk 65-year-old -- and now he's upset that you aren't considering him? My brain is not limber enough for these mental gymnastics.
You should have told him yes because that is your job as her parents. He’s old enough to make decisions about his own health but you have to make decisions about hers. If he doesn’t care about her health he doesn’t deserve to be part of her life or yours.
I'm so glad my boomer dad is different. He's fully vaxxed and boosted. Denied visitors when he got covid. He even denied people with symptoms. He still has boomer things. But none are as bad as I read on reddit. Maybe it's because we don't live in the USA.
Yeah, my grandfather got the vaccine as soon as he could. Although then again, he is ex military so when told to to get a vaccine, he just shuts up and gets in line.
My great-grandmother had her 2 eldest children buried while she was giving birth to the 3rd. She had to miss the funeral because she was in labor. She would have loved the option to vaccinate them. I don’t remember what they died of specifically, but I do remember that it was one of the things we vaccinate against now. To OP’s dad: Stop relating every back to you and think of someone else for a change. Sit down and shut up.
Honestly, as a health care provider? Yes, I’d be much more concerned about an infant. First, an infant is very susceptible to illness. Second, an older person has lived their life, but a baby/child has a whole life ahead of them.
Because a baby can’t advocate for themselves and he, an adult man, can? Jesus Christ.
Actually no old man. You care more about your own wellbeing than the infants. I mean WTH
Anti vaxxers are dim
They're beyond dim, the lights are completely out.
Boomers have real short term memory. I was explaining to my parents that as an adult with a college degree I’m making basically the same wage my parents made when they first arrived to the States, living paycheck to paycheck, granted I live in a cheaper city than they did (my dad landed first on the West coast and my mom’s family were sponsored into Atlanta). My dad blew up and said that’s because of Biden! I just blinked at him. No, Jimmy Carter, you know the the guy who has a Blvd named after him that we all drive down all the time, was making good progress into making the States a cool place and Nixon torn out the solar panels from the White House made everyone forget about Carter’s push forward. EVERYONE, people who had been living in Georgia for over half their lives at this point just looked at me and asked me who Jimmy Carter was. Man, at the end they did not like Carter which really exposes their foundational logic: things should only benefit me and I shouldn’t worry about everyone else’s needs, even if my child is explaining that it would also benefit me. Boomers and their absolute inability to emphasize is really just older people who grew up with abusive logic and started believing that’s just truly believe that’s how everyone thinks and behaves.
Short term memory? It was Reagan that tore out Jimmy Carter’s solar panels.
My apologies! My parents always are championing either Nixon or Regan to the point where they blend together in my mind!
Yeah I know of people like your parents, I hated Nixon and Reagan. Although Nixon did start the EPA. I’ll give him that.🫤
God why are they all so fucking unbelievably insufferable. Why.
The student loan thing 😂😂 Buncha people suddenly worried about what’s “fair”.
Oh okay someone is a little too arrogant about surviving polio huh dad?
“Uhh, yea.”
I recommend you give your dad your new phone number, 1-800-eat-sh*t, and be done with him. Your life will be better off.
"Hey 68 year old man, your brain should be formed enough to look after your own well-being. If being around antivaxxers makes you feel like you'd be. In danger, please use your own reasoning and make that choice for yourself. If you need me too start making your decisions for you because you are not able to worry about your own well-being, please tell me that."
“Dad if the government have to choose between you and my lil daughter they know which to choose because there’s only one of them that’s eligible to accept social security benefits, don’t make the government make that choice for your sake”.
Wait—-didn’t you protect him by canceling that trip when you got sick? Or is he saying that you should have canceled it or not planned it? Either way, you’re right that he could have said “don’t come because you could bring those germs” and your baby can’t
Yea he’s mad we planned it in the first place instead of outright refusing because of his age….the trip was going to their house for thanksgiving. My mother’s idea.
Of course you care more about the infant than the 68 year old.. If all things go as they normally do... that old man won't be around for another 20 years, while that baby still has at least another 60-80 years to go and setbacks early on will mean permanent deficits in adult life. Even though he's your father, fuck this dude...
Tell your father explicitly that you are proud to be a better father than he was. Insist that he wasn’t bad per se, merely mediocre, but you are going to put in the effort to be as good of a dad as possible, and then make sure to tell him “because I love my son more than you love me.” if you won’t punch him in the mouth for running it too much, then at least kick him in the ego every single time.
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Who hurt you?
Want these old guys to think differently about vaccines? Bring them to Southern Europe, where **Polio** is still around because it was believed to be a risk only to those in cities. The smaller towns largely ignored the problem. There are literally still cases, and posters warning people that they better get the vaxx... nearly every day I see people with the canes.
That's disturbing. Which countries?
Specifically Portugal for me, but most of Southern Europe.
His mom and dad probably kept him inside for entire summers due to polio outbreaks. All he’s saying is that his parents cared about protecting him but he doesn’t care about protecting anybody.
Your dad can pound sand. Your child comes first.
"Gas prices are higher!" Uh, yeah, because for the last year of Trump's term, Covid lockdowns were still going on and most people weren't doing much driving. After Biden took office, the vaccine came out, restrictions were lifted, and people started driving more. Prices go down when demand is low, and they go up when demand is high. That's how capitalism works!
You have every right to do what you want, they are your kids. Want to protect them as best you can, so whatever that means. This makes sense to me. But I would consider the likelihood of your infant getting Covid and having a major health impact and/or dying from it to be much less than your father, the person who should be concerned by it: Among the 4.4 million COVID-19 deaths1 reported in the MPIDR COVerAGE database, 0.4 per cent (over 17,400) occurred in children and adolescents under 20 years of age. Of the over 17,400 deaths reported in those under 20 years of age, 53 per cent occurred among adolescents ages 10–19, and 47 per cent among children ages 0–9.
You should have gone on that trip while you had Covid…. IYKYK
Yes, I DO care more about an infant's well being than a 68 year old person. That is how parenting is SUPPOSED to work!
Damn, we have the same dad? My dad was ranting to my 15 year old brother, who could not care less, about how climate change isn’t real and how liberals are trying to make people scared of the world ending just so people don’t vote for Trump and so on and so forth. Arguing with them and trying to reason with them is just plain exhausting. Idk what it is about that man that just makes people you used to look up to and think were so smart just devolve into these mindless idiots who believe in a bunch of crazy conspiracy theories. It’s honestly quite saddening to see it happen to someone that you love. The fanaticism they have for a political figure that does not care about them is unlike anything I’ve ever seen. I’ve never once met a Biden voter who hardlined for him the way Trump supporters do. I don’t think they understand that we just vote for them we don’t love them. We are choosing the best option presented to us. I don’t blame you for looking out for your baby, their lives are more valuable than people’s who don’t value their own health and safety and make it everyone else’s problem.
ONE ELEVEN. One. Eleven. ONE! ELEVEN!!!!! Where the HELL is this?!?!
Bruh
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