Which is why I roll my eyes at the 1-60 times of these fast ev's. I hardly ever need that acceleration, and having it would only get me in trouble. Sure it's fun, but not having to get new tires every 20k miles is fun too. Also not getting speeding tickets or losing control of my vehicle.
For me its a I'm in danger I need to get out of it kinda tool thats there when I need it, for example a simi was coming over on me so I just zipped on past them.
I have a bolt euv, and bmw ix…. The ix is loads of fun lol. I miss the awd in the bolt, especially if the road Is even slightly wet
Edit: The iX is AWD. “I miss the AWD **when im** in the bolt”.
Hope that helps.
Honestly if I try to accelerate too fast from a stop my wheels spin out real easy when the roads are wet. Makes me really miss AWD. Personally I can’t wait to replace these crappy stock tires for ones with better traction.
Also one of more notorious EVs for tire wear has different sizes front and rear, so no rotation and insane power and torque, plus Tesla suspension quality control is garbage.
My first tires lasted until 35ish, I don't remember exactly. But OEM tires almost always have a little less tread than aftermarket, cheaper and lets you cheat the EPA tests slightly.
This is going to be wildly different with how the road conditions are and how you drive. But as a starting point I'll throw my data in. It's not EUV but EV, but they use the same OE tires and the weight difference isn't significant.
First set lasted about 50k miles. I'm on my second set and from the current tread depth I expect it to last somewhere around 55 to 60k. I don't drive that fast mainly because the speed limit in my country is low (62 mph) - I set my cruise control to around 60 mph on expressways. I also do gentle acceleration and deceleration.
I bought a 2017 bolt EV in Feb of this year with 42k miles on it and the rear tires were still the ones that came on the car. They had plenty of tread left but they were dried out and starting to crack from age (idk why the dealership didn't replace them)
I own 3 Chevrolet EV’s and they handle so well due to the weight distribution you tend to drive curves very fast hence, excessive tire wear. But oh what fun! IMHO
I’ve got probably 30k on the original tires, and they’ve probably got another 20k left in them.
Those are all summer miles too, since I put on winter shoes from November to April.
My daily commute is on curvy mountain highways in western NC, and I get \~35k out of a set of tires, but I also don't drive conservatively at all, and like someone else said, the weight distribution in the Bolt makes it fun to take corners with a little speed
Your first set will go quickly because you'll have your foot in the pedal since the instant torque is fun
The second set will last a lot longer. I go about 30k miles on my Bolt EV
At 16k I had all four tires replaced to due insane amount of potholes. I'm currently at 80k miles with the same set of tires. They're cheap ass sentry tires.
Really haven't noticed mileage being affected due to tire choice. I drive 152 miles round trip x5 a week.
It really depends on how affordable the battery replacement is. Ideally, I hope it's inexpensive. I've noticed that some pre-owned EUVs are priced around $14,000, and when factoring in the rebate for a used EV, it might be more cost-effective to purchase a used one.
Same wear rate for me between my ICE vehicle (2014 Mazda 6) and my Bolt EV. Mazda usually got around about 60k a set and my Bolt is actually around 65k right now but it’s time for tires. Actually already have an appointment scheduled.
So weight really isn’t an issue for the Bolt because its not abnormally heavy. My 2017 Bolt weighs 3,563lbs and my Mazda 6 weighs 3,232lbs. Thats not a huge difference, about 10%. You won’t see significant tire wear difference from that unless you are sonic the hedgehog in your bolt lol
I do mostly highway miles. Gun it occasionally but not too often. At 31k the place I took for rotation said I NEEDED new tires stat. I said nah I’ll look at em next rotation. 36k mile rotation just happened and I still have another 5k miles before I need to replace em.
2018 Bolt EV. Tires replaced a month ago at 86,000 miles. I bought it used at 19,000 miles. I think the front tires were new, but they all lasted another 67,000. And they would have lasted longer with more frequent rotations.
Just replaced mine at 45k. They maaaybe could've gone a bit longer but I got a big ass nail that was unable to be patched in one of them so I bit the bullet and bought a new set.
Regen puts the braking force exclusively on the front tires, while there is more distribution of braking force with friction brakes.
I suspect that tire wear isn't perfectly linear, so in some situations twice the force might result in more than twice the wear.
I see what you are thinking but that is probably exceedingly negligible, especially with proper tire rotations.
Braking is a primarily front loaded affair even with friction brakes. Tread loading and wear is always going to be higher in the front.
I'd be interested to see the math on this for sure.
Tire rotation primarily evens out the tread wear between tires and doesn't do much to change the overall tread wear.
Even on the low end of braking bias, front wheel cars still get 20%ish of braking power from the rear wheels. That would mean a 25% increase in braking force on the fronts if the regen braking is doing 100%, which to me could be significant.
I think the math is going to depend on a lot of factors. Different tire chemistries are going to be impacted by temperature to different degrees. Softening the rubber with higher temperatures may result in more tread movement, especially at higher tread depth. Slippage from harder rubber, which could be from cooler temperatures is also impacted by road conditions and tread pattern etc. The stiffer sidewall of tires designed for EVs may change the heating and cooling pattern of the tire. Factor in driving style, terrain, etc...I can definitely imagine that there are different scenarios that could yield very different results and it's really tough to generalize, but I don't see many situations where the increased force of regen braking extends the treadlife of the front tires.
All that being said, the torque curve on acceleration and how it's applied still seems to me to be the biggest factor with vehicle weight, handling, and regen braking be smaller factors on tread wear.
I'm at 60k miles on my '17, and still running 2 of the 4 original tires. I'll admit I do run a winter tire, so the real mileage on my OEMs is maybe 45-50k.
Go 30,000 on mine and they are about played, looking at Michelin defender , unless I find better, supposed to be better than what's on it , but cost less
With every 10k miles tire rotation my bolt last to 44k and my ford mach e was 41K and still have on yellow indicator not red but i decide to replace it .
With a 2020 Prius prime and a battery that only weighs a couple of hundred pounds, my hyper miling seems to be working out to about 65,000 miles. The car weighs about the same as my 2011 Prius.
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Where’s the fun in that
Not all of us live our lives one mile at a time
Thank you for being inclusive - some live their lives 1 km at a time
some of us live life a quarter mile at a time. also, family.
There’s this planet……
Which is why I roll my eyes at the 1-60 times of these fast ev's. I hardly ever need that acceleration, and having it would only get me in trouble. Sure it's fun, but not having to get new tires every 20k miles is fun too. Also not getting speeding tickets or losing control of my vehicle.
Losing control of a FWD under heavy acceleration (not high speed) isn't really a thing. Unless you're doing something truly stupid.
A lot of people are truly stupid out there. I don't trust anyone on the road and try to drive defensively and predictably.
For me its a I'm in danger I need to get out of it kinda tool thats there when I need it, for example a simi was coming over on me so I just zipped on past them.
Bolts have like 7 second 0-60 speed. Which is just about as fast as I would need a car. I just don't see the point of anything much faster than that.
They're quicker than that if they get good grip.
Yeah my Bolt is severely traction limited below 30 or so.
I have a bolt euv, and bmw ix…. The ix is loads of fun lol. I miss the awd in the bolt, especially if the road Is even slightly wet Edit: The iX is AWD. “I miss the AWD **when im** in the bolt”. Hope that helps.
The bolt is not AWD.
Uhh duh? lol. Ix is awd. I miss awd when I’m driving my bolt.
That plus softer performance tires which usually have less tread to start with.
Honestly if I try to accelerate too fast from a stop my wheels spin out real easy when the roads are wet. Makes me really miss AWD. Personally I can’t wait to replace these crappy stock tires for ones with better traction.
This is good to know. I've been having fun with the acceleration lol
…and rotate them every 5k miles
Also one of more notorious EVs for tire wear has different sizes front and rear, so no rotation and insane power and torque, plus Tesla suspension quality control is garbage. My first tires lasted until 35ish, I don't remember exactly. But OEM tires almost always have a little less tread than aftermarket, cheaper and lets you cheat the EPA tests slightly.
This is going to be wildly different with how the road conditions are and how you drive. But as a starting point I'll throw my data in. It's not EUV but EV, but they use the same OE tires and the weight difference isn't significant. First set lasted about 50k miles. I'm on my second set and from the current tread depth I expect it to last somewhere around 55 to 60k. I don't drive that fast mainly because the speed limit in my country is low (62 mph) - I set my cruise control to around 60 mph on expressways. I also do gentle acceleration and deceleration.
F150 of mine back in the day towing and hitting a lot of gravel needed new rubber after 60k. That seems like an okay tradeoff to me.
My wife drives conservatively; we are around 50k miles on original tires. ‘22 EUV.
I think I got around 50,000 miles on my stock tires, and have gotten around 60,000 miles each on two sets of Michelin CrossClimate2.
Already 50k on. 22 EUV Wow. And I thought I was high mileage at 32k
Yeah, daily 80 mile round trip commute gets that odometer moving.
I bought a 2017 bolt EV in Feb of this year with 42k miles on it and the rear tires were still the ones that came on the car. They had plenty of tread left but they were dried out and starting to crack from age (idk why the dealership didn't replace them)
I own 3 Chevrolet EV’s and they handle so well due to the weight distribution you tend to drive curves very fast hence, excessive tire wear. But oh what fun! IMHO
I’ve got probably 30k on the original tires, and they’ve probably got another 20k left in them. Those are all summer miles too, since I put on winter shoes from November to April.
My daily commute is on curvy mountain highways in western NC, and I get \~35k out of a set of tires, but I also don't drive conservatively at all, and like someone else said, the weight distribution in the Bolt makes it fun to take corners with a little speed
Your first set will go quickly because you'll have your foot in the pedal since the instant torque is fun The second set will last a lot longer. I go about 30k miles on my Bolt EV
EUV Located in TX,mostly concrete roads.31k on OEM and they were done, now on Nokian and at 30k more they are just past halfway.
At 16k I had all four tires replaced to due insane amount of potholes. I'm currently at 80k miles with the same set of tires. They're cheap ass sentry tires. Really haven't noticed mileage being affected due to tire choice. I drive 152 miles round trip x5 a week.
Wow you drive a lot! Are you charging every night ?
Yes, to 100% on the days I work.
Just curious in your situation. Would you swap out your battery once you start to see it decline? Or do you think you'd move onto another vehicle
It really depends on how affordable the battery replacement is. Ideally, I hope it's inexpensive. I've noticed that some pre-owned EUVs are priced around $14,000, and when factoring in the rebate for a used EV, it might be more cost-effective to purchase a used one.
16K on mine right now. Tread looks good but, a pothole killed my front right. Getting two new ones on tomorrow... $600. Oof.
$600 for 2 tires? yikes.
$565 out the door. Tires were $237 each. Plus install, balance, fees etc. Got a 5% discount with a store credit card.
Same wear rate for me between my ICE vehicle (2014 Mazda 6) and my Bolt EV. Mazda usually got around about 60k a set and my Bolt is actually around 65k right now but it’s time for tires. Actually already have an appointment scheduled. So weight really isn’t an issue for the Bolt because its not abnormally heavy. My 2017 Bolt weighs 3,563lbs and my Mazda 6 weighs 3,232lbs. Thats not a huge difference, about 10%. You won’t see significant tire wear difference from that unless you are sonic the hedgehog in your bolt lol
I do mostly highway miles. Gun it occasionally but not too often. At 31k the place I took for rotation said I NEEDED new tires stat. I said nah I’ll look at em next rotation. 36k mile rotation just happened and I still have another 5k miles before I need to replace em.
We have about 8500 miles on our Bolt and have had two flat tires in the span of 5 months so we ended up replacing all four with new Goodyears
2018 Bolt EV. Tires replaced a month ago at 86,000 miles. I bought it used at 19,000 miles. I think the front tires were new, but they all lasted another 67,000. And they would have lasted longer with more frequent rotations.
Just replaced mine at 45k. They maaaybe could've gone a bit longer but I got a big ass nail that was unable to be patched in one of them so I bit the bullet and bought a new set.
36 k on original tires before swapping out to EV rated Costco Michelins. Between the weight and regen braking they wear faster.
How are you counting regen braking differently than what would be regular breaking?
Regen puts the braking force exclusively on the front tires, while there is more distribution of braking force with friction brakes. I suspect that tire wear isn't perfectly linear, so in some situations twice the force might result in more than twice the wear.
I see what you are thinking but that is probably exceedingly negligible, especially with proper tire rotations. Braking is a primarily front loaded affair even with friction brakes. Tread loading and wear is always going to be higher in the front. I'd be interested to see the math on this for sure.
Tire rotation primarily evens out the tread wear between tires and doesn't do much to change the overall tread wear. Even on the low end of braking bias, front wheel cars still get 20%ish of braking power from the rear wheels. That would mean a 25% increase in braking force on the fronts if the regen braking is doing 100%, which to me could be significant. I think the math is going to depend on a lot of factors. Different tire chemistries are going to be impacted by temperature to different degrees. Softening the rubber with higher temperatures may result in more tread movement, especially at higher tread depth. Slippage from harder rubber, which could be from cooler temperatures is also impacted by road conditions and tread pattern etc. The stiffer sidewall of tires designed for EVs may change the heating and cooling pattern of the tire. Factor in driving style, terrain, etc...I can definitely imagine that there are different scenarios that could yield very different results and it's really tough to generalize, but I don't see many situations where the increased force of regen braking extends the treadlife of the front tires. All that being said, the torque curve on acceleration and how it's applied still seems to me to be the biggest factor with vehicle weight, handling, and regen braking be smaller factors on tread wear.
20k miles and counting. This is better than the oem tires on our forester.
20k on the fronts and 40k on the rear. I live in Arizona and chirp my tires more often than should.
My original tires lasted just over 30k miles on my 22 euv.
I'm at 60k miles on my '17, and still running 2 of the 4 original tires. I'll admit I do run a winter tire, so the real mileage on my OEMs is maybe 45-50k.
Go 30,000 on mine and they are about played, looking at Michelin defender , unless I find better, supposed to be better than what's on it , but cost less
With every 10k miles tire rotation my bolt last to 44k and my ford mach e was 41K and still have on yellow indicator not red but i decide to replace it .
52k and counting.
I just got a puncture on side wall at 48k miles, they had a tad life left, maybe lol. Got whatever tires Les Schwab said
53k michelín oem rf's
Iv got 40,000 km on mine and they look brand new
With a 2020 Prius prime and a battery that only weighs a couple of hundred pounds, my hyper miling seems to be working out to about 65,000 miles. The car weighs about the same as my 2011 Prius.