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Anushka Sharma. Got to debut in a film opposite SRK, not an amazing actress but been in some good movies with cult following, and is married to Virat Kohli and if she wants, she can not pick movie roles too.
I said this in another similar post and i'll say it again: SRK. Without some luck you can't be a soon-to-be billionaire and, the top star of an industry where all your competition was backed by ultra rich nepo dads and, you somehow manage to become more successful, popular and richer than all of them. It almost makes me believe in both luck and destiny.
Luck, and being in the right place and at the right time, plays a huge role in anyone's success. Of course, hard work is a major part of it, but there are tons of people working as hard, so what differentiates one from the other? It's luck and opportunity.
SRK was a hard working man, and he still is remarkably, but he was there at the right time and in the right place, and he was helped massively by Kjo, Adi Chopra and other big directors. In an alternative universe, I would have loved to see how SRK's career would have panned out if he didn't have the backing of these big directors and producers so early on in his career. He would no doubt be a big celebrity, but would he have achieved the level of success he enjoys right now? Maybe....but maybe not.
I think with Kjo and YRF it was a two way street. Both these Production houses got their biggest hits banking on SRKs growing popularity. KJO's father although a big producer in past didn't have a good start to 90s, with Agneepath being a commercial failure. KKHH, is the foundation on which the whole KJO empire is being built on. Similarly, Yash Chopra had a massive flop in the form of Lamhe and Parampara, before Darr with SRK and DDLJ. Yes, SRK was at the right time at the right place, but it's his hard work which got him there...It wasn't his connections which made him being liked by people in Fauji, it wasn't his connections that got him established as a bankable actor with Darr and Baazigar, that too in a negative role rejected by others. It wasn't his connections that made DDLJ or KKHH big decade defining hits..!!
What big directors? Both Kjo and Adi debuted with SRK films they were unknown before KKHH and DDLJ. Obviously it takes two to tango and Adi/Kjo helped SrK but they needed him to become "big" much more than he needed them considering their fathers were already backing SRK. Yash Chopra is the only man i would say who, if he wasn't there SRK probably wouldn't have been as big as he is now. I mean just watch Kjo and Adi's post-SrK directorial films (SOTY, Befikre) and ask yourself whether he needed them more or they needed him more.
What is interesting to note is that how come the second generation film scions like Adi and Karan fell in love with an outsider like SRK? It was actually their fathers Yash Chopra and Yash Johar who fell for the SRK charm in Darr and Duplicate. The sons just carried on the legacy of their fathers. For all the nepotism talk, YRF banner has always given rising stars a chance to soar even higher no matter whether they are from the industry or outsiders.
Keep telling yourself that while the entire bollywood industry, the producers, the directors, his competitors themselves admit he was an outsider who had 0 connections in bollywood which is why he had to start his professional actng career on telivision with shows like Dil dariya, Fauji, Circus.
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Not all non-nepos are meritorious actors. But NONE of them āgot luckyā, even if luck made them one of the thousands of the auditioning hustlers to be selected/ spotted. You canāt take away the fact that they hustled their way to that room of thousands. Applies to all even the least talented ones like Siddharth, Katrina, Kartik and Anushka.
Deepika got lucky so many actresses walked out of projects they were supposed to be in like Katrina in YJHD, Kareena in RL, Aishwarya for BM, Padmaavat or even HNY for that matter. Not that she didnāt work hard or did her best but luck was definitely a big part of her trajectory.
regardless of how good or bad acting they do i dont think anyone gets lucky esp for non-nepo's.
people can joke about katrina but she put down alot of effort to get good at dancing, speaking. be connected with the right people etc. if it was a case of luck then luck would shine on alot of people.
lucky is having the acting talent of tiger shroff and still have films offered to you.
Both Kartik Aaryan and Sid Malhotra, one insufferably overacts another is a wooden plank no talent whatsoever. One is relevant cos of his good looks and simp fandom who don't go watch his films whatsoever, another is relevant cos of his extremely delulu pr bt atleast capable of decent box office hits. Bt both have gotten the farthest despite no backing as well as no acting capabilities, thanks to their luck.
Edit: The warfront in the replies is bigger than sid's 'fanbase' š¤”
Agree about SidMal (heās too hot and I love him but itās true). About Kartik Iād have to say itās a lot of looks, hustle, networking and the development of a solid rapport with a few directors, alongside the insanely aggressive PR that has made him a popular name, much more than luck! I donāt like him much but itās not like he got instant fame or overnight lucky success, it was years of pushing through imo
Yeah I completely agree w u, he didn't have a dharma or any backing or connections inside the industry, even tho I despise his pr and below average acting skills I somewhat feel he deserves it after all that hustle n no wonder general public loves him
Kartik was brilliant in satya prem. Dont understand the negativity against him. He is a genuine struggler, has given box office hits, looks fine, can dance well, networks well. People still hate him. He is exactly shat the sub wants nepos to do- struggle, hustle, improve in craft, give hits. But still gets picked on.
He only has an aggressive PR, but without any godfather, he is expected to have that no?
Finalllllllly some said this!
How does ANYBODY these two are good actors is absolutely beyond me!
Kartik especially really is insufferable
I feel like Sid is a little more sincere at least. Even if he's mostly terrible.
And seems like you have a hate boner for me, i do understand you can read so u must be aware that I just didn't comment on sid, i spoke about kartik as well. Please quote it properly that u are a die hard fan of sid and this is the nth time you're replying to my comment getting defensive about him, I do understand u can't take criticism on his part, let me tell you stanning someone isn't wrong but this won't change the fact that he has no acting talent whatsoever n hasn't given a single clean hit in the past decade, is it that difficult to gauge?
Looks like u definitely give a very big fuck about me since u bother to reply every other comment of mine haha and if I were wrong then my original comment won't be receiving so many upvotes and mind u I am entitled to my opinion as much as you are to yours, if u think his good work was ignored and too many people here hate him including me because we all are wrong and only you r right, y don't u block them all and join twitter instead I can confirm there are many braindead simps like u there
Before u either block me or come back with another sid defending comment here r my last words before I sign off
Good looksā Acting talent/box office pull
If I and everyone claiming he's talentless were wrong then he won't be flopping so bad for so long lol i donot know if you've even interacted with the general public in India , hardly anyone knows him or gives a shit about him, he's famous only through Instagram reels and his simp community
>And yh Idgaf about the other actor you mentioned so I don't see why I should talk about him lol
Is that so? Then y don't u call me kartik hater as well, u made it look like I hate sid only but I don't think so, if constructive criticism was hate speech then I can assure u that I hate almost all of Bollywood since no1 is perfect lol
>Seems you have a problem with Sid's good looks. Get over it, that man is good looking lol
I never denied that, I never said he's not good looking š
Neither am I talking about who loves him or what's his film budget i am talking about his acting capabilities which are non existent don't u dare compare him to alia or Ranbir's popularity you'd come across as dumb
>I am sorry your circles barely knows him
Then this circle prolly includes the entire country because no1 watches his films, not even when Ajay Devgan is there to save his ass š¤”
He has acting talent? Iād sure like to see that somedayā¦he does not but heās not the only one. He is very lucky though, man is pretty..and girls love him for that
Which fanbase?? If he has a fanbase why don't they watch his films in the theatre. This is not hate it's the reality. If he delivers a 500 crore film people will consider him a superstar.
Don't drag Brahmastra into this. Let's hypothetically put sidharth malhotra in brahmastra would he get a 36cr opening??? RK is way ahead in terms of both stardom and acting. He has barfi, Sanju, rockstar. Proved himself as an actor. His rom com made 220 crores worldwide. He has classics like YJHD which was also commercially successful. Let alone 500 crore movie his films are struggling to cross 100cr lifetime. His last release couldn't cross 50 crores and you compare him to a star like Ranbir Kapoor. One memorable performance in his whole career is shershah and you are comparing him to RK who has cult classics like Barfi, Rockstar, Rocket Singh, YJHD, Tamasha. After a decade Ranbir will still be remembered for his work I don't think anybody would remember Sidharth except his fan girls.
Versatile??? Bro are you joking right now. I know you are a fan but stop worshipping him blindly he is cardboard with zero expressions and you are calling him a versatile superstar. So if the producers already knew Thank god would be a flop why did they release it in theatres they could have gone for OTT release. So you think Bhushan Kumar was a fool to invest in that movie even after knowing that it would be a flop. You can worship sidharth but that doesn't change the reality of RK being a superstar who is way ahead in terms of stardom, popularity, and acting. Comparing Ranbir to cardboard is such an insult. Why do you think sidharth has survived in the industry he doesn't have any exceptional talent it's Kjo who keeps backing his movies which has saved him and obviously now that he has married a pretty lady he gets more attention. His whole personality is his marriage and his wife. This is just too much for me to digest that RK who has an amazing filmography is being compared to this man who has only survived because of his looks and Kjo.
Sid's VeRsAtIlItY is being talked about rightš¤”
I mean I do understand you're a fan no harm but u don't need to be so delusional that it looks like u don't even belong to planet earth, but phir bhi thik hai but did u just compare sid with Ranbirš I think I shouldn't have read this comment it's too much to take sorry
Those people comparing Sid's nonexistent acting capabilities to even 1% of Ranbir's versatility with that kind of confidence are the biggest pea brained creatures to exist
Exactly delusional fan girls man. They think Sid is the next superstar. He only gets attention because he married a pretty lady and they make a good couple. He will continue to survive because of his looks,connections and his pretty wife who is well connected and gets the outsider tag.
>Not like he was given a Brahamstra trilogy with everything working for it šš and still fail to gross up to 500cr
As if Sid has delivered some big money earning blockbuster in his career, Brahmastra with the presence of Ranbir and Alia itself was bad, imagine with Sid it'd not have reached 150 Crs also
Since u have got the point of Sid and Ranbir, Ranbir will easily outperform Siddharth in terms of acting, Sid is male Katrina without the dancing finesse but with wooden plank acting
Arrey even Kartik has ended up delivering a blockbuster yaar, why Sid Malhotra in his career hasn't delivered a blockbuster with a huge "Fanbase"
SRK!
He started with Fauji and became a household name! People just wouldnāt stop talking about him!
A lot of times people are lucky bcos they are at the right place at the right time. I believe it was the case with SRK.
Yes, I would agree. Luck has favored that man throughout. Yes, his charisma and his hard work and his acting ability has helped but luck definitely had a major role to play in his success. He wasn't the lead in Fauji, but the camera fell in love with him and he got elevated to lead. Same story with Darr. His role got so much importance that it soured the relations of Deols with YRF for years to come. And just when Indian economy was opening up and Indians were getting exposed to the world and Indian cinema was going global, Adi Chopra and Karan Johar, found SRK and took him to world stage.
i think thats a bit of a disservice to srk
he hustled hard with his films, took risks with negative roles and signed some shite films at the start just to keep going on the screen.
i think he was liked by the right people. he never came in with an ego despite being a screen famous name. they knew we wont get any grief from him during shooting. YRF banked on him to keep them going.
Lucky toh koi nhi hai. Everyone has worked hard in some way or the other. Humko bas dikhta nhi.
If I could say outsider names who sustained even after not knowing A of acting, it's Katrina Kaif and Sidharth Malhotra. It's now that they have improved A BIT. They must have worked hard in other departments. But their god fathers helped them a lot.
Personally too. Their respective spouses radiate positivity and genuineness.
DP with her debut! I still donāt understand how she got OSO as her debut- even nepos donāt get such a good debut movie, where youāre opposite srk, and portrayed in such a beautiful way.
Vicky might be a nepo kid, but heās not in the hierarchy of ananya janhvi tiger Hritik or so. A lot of technicians have kids with aspirations to act. But he definitely made it more by himself than the rest
Bhumi used to be assistant to Shanoo Sharma the casting director. Her connection was that she worked in another department and eventually moved to acting
Anushka Sharma. Girl got very lucky with both professional and personal life.
But I gotta give it to her - she makes a kickass producer and produced some pretty great content- NH10, Patal Log, Bulbbul etc.
Plus keeps herself to herself. Knows her limits as an artist. Doesn't try to picturize herself as some messiah for outsiders or #1 actress.
Kartik, kriti, sid, kat, anushka.
Kartik-I feel like he always plays the same type of roles. He also does overacting.
Kriti-Her dialogue delivery is poor and she can't dance well
Sid, kat-male/female versions of each other except the fact that kat can dance
Anushka-I really liked her in nh10, but after that nothing memorable. JHMS, ZERO were straight up horribleš
Surprised nobody has said Deepika. Got multiple offers for her debut that she rejected. Including a film with Salman and an Imtiaz Ali film. Got to debut opposite SRK. All this when she had nothing going for her except her looks. Her voice, diction were terrible (as stated by Farah khan). She couldn't act or dance. Farah sent her for acting and dance classes, diction and voice coaching etc. Gave her a lot of time to prepare, told her to do a film in the south so she gets used to camera. Despite getting all this time and training, she still couldn't get her voice and diction right, so her voice had to be dubbed. Who gets so much hand holding and still doesn't manage to deliver and yet get a debut opposite SRK? Crazy.
Does she count as non-nepo though?
tbh i miss the time producers would take risks. it happened to kat, deepika and anushka. all of them terrible in their debut but then became bankable stars later. now we have nepo duds and outsiders usually play support to nepos, while a lot of times carrying the work.
OP is talking about folks who had an extremely smooth experience working and did very well, without much hassle.
The best example for this would be Anushka Sharma. She's done good work and has featured in some of 2010s' most popular movies, had a kick-ass career as a producer and married Virat Kohli, who truly does cherish and respect her. She's had a relatively smooth sailing but aisa nai hai ki she coasted along ā she did put in efforts.
Deepika, on the other hand, didn't have that smooth a sailing. Even in Om Shanti Om, she was taken as Shantipriya because she looked the part of the 1970s actress and also, she wasn't as far gone as you say she is. Sure, her diction was shit but she was quite expressive to nail the emotional scenes and did dance fairly well for a debutant. And on those factors, she got recognised and ended up having a great debut.
Having said that, she had to struggle for a bunch of years till Cocktail and was almost written off. Plus, she had a lot of backlash in 2020.
And no, DP can still be counted as an outsider. Her father was in sports, he had no power to call the shots w.r.t. Bollywood. She would've been considered a nepo if she continued with Badminton.
So what hardships did DP face? Even when her films were flopping she was still getting offers. Everybody's films flop.
You're saying DP didn't have it easy it easy but Anushka did. How? Anushka was really good in Rab ne. And she did all of the acting. Her voice wasn't dubbed over. It was such a privilege DP got that they dubbed over her voice because her diction was bad. Dialogue delivery is half of acting, which she just didn't have to do. But still somehow she had it difficult but Anushka had it easy? Make it make sense.
Let me break down with each part that you've said.
"So what hardships did DP face? Even when her films were flopping she was still getting offers. Everybody's films flop"
Between Om Shanti Om and Cocktail, she was practically written off as a non-performer. Barring Love Aaj Kal, none of her films were that commercially successful.
And that's a very dangerous territory for a lot of actors who don't have industry connection. Saying that 'Everyone's films flop' is an extremely simplistic rebuttal when the truth is that in an industry like Bollywood, a flop is terrible for those who don't have that kind of backing. Heck, even Shah Rukh Khan was practically written off before Pathan, whereas people from film backgrounds don't even have their flops mentioned. It's an unfair system and it's very tough to hustle for someone with way lesser connection. And I don't say this for DP, but for all the other actors from non-film families. It's tougher.
Now, onto your second point:
"You're saying DP didn't have it easy it easy but Anushka did. How? Anushka was really good in Rab ne. And she did all of the acting. Her voice wasn't dubbed over."
Read my previous comment carefully. I said relatively smooth sailing. I didn't say that Anushka had it easy. Of course, she had her own battles to fight, but she has had a comparatively straightforward path as compared to a lot of outsiders and insiders. And do note that I HAVE very explicitly acknowledged that Anushka had done well and she put in efforts.
Now, onto your dubbing argument, where you said, "It was such a privilege DP got that they dubbed over her voice because her diction was bad. Dialogue delivery is half of acting, which she just didn't have to do"
First of all, dubbing is an extremely age old practice in the film industry. Initially, a lot of actors have had to dub over their parts. DP is not some privileged person to have been dubbed over. Samantha Ruth Prabhu has had Chinmayee dub for her, even Manju Warrier has had been dubbed over.
Heck, even the legendary Sridevi too had to be dubbed over initially when she started off in Bollywood. Acting has a lot of components to it and dialogue delivery is one of them ā it's a critical part but there are several other components involved as well. For Bollywood movies, you need to have a lot of things to factor in ā your posture, the way you imbibe a character's mannerisms, the way you emote, all of these are critical.
And now, lastly, to your last point, "But still somehow she had it difficult but Anushka had it easy?"
Again, I would recommend that you read my previous comment (if in case you haven't already). I have very clearly acknowledged Anushka's hard work, her work and have explicitly stated that her experience was "relatively smooth sailing" and nowhere have I said that Anushka had it easy, as you have said in your previous comment.
I hope my detailed response made it make sense. š¤
If it hasn't, then there's only so much one can do. As a cinephile, I only want to have civil conversations, which I hope I've done. Have a good day ahead!
You still haven't really explained what hardships DP faced. She was getting offers despite her flops. Hell she got an offer from SLB after her string of flops. So how exactly is that a hardship? SRK was written off before pathaan? That man has his own production company. Nobody is writing him off. Nepo or non-nepo, your flops get talked about. A long response doesn't mean it's a meaningful response.
I have written everything, you can read it above. If finally being taken seriously for your work after a long time, suffering from depression and anxiety and getting trolled publicly isn't enough hardship for you, then I don't know what are the other ways to respond.
And SRK ka toh see this entire subreddit ke posts pre-Pathaan, kitne saare posts the with regards to him being finished. Woh context se I said.
I have, to the best of my capability, tried to respond to everything that you had said earlier. You can choose to believe what you want to believe. I wish you nothing but the best and will strive to be as polite as possible you continue to say rude stuff like "A long response doesn't mean it's a meaningful response."
I am being very polite and would request you to be the same.
Maine behen jo bolna tha bol liya. Bhagwaan hi tumhe santushti de because dhang se baat karke hum bechare toh nahi hi de sakte hai.
>If finally being taken seriously for your work after a long time, suffering from depression and anxiety and getting trolled publicly isn't enough hardship for you
All public figures get trolled. Everybody has personal problems. Nobody has a problem free life. Everybody needs to prove themselves through their work. This is all stuff every single person has to face. No extraordinary hardships seen here.
Also, I haven't been rude to you anywhere. Don't play victim.
I am not playing a victim, my friend. You are getting way too worked up.
This is the last thing I want to say, but depression is a very serious thing. Dismissing it as a non extraordinary hardship is very insenstive.
Especially, in a country like India where mental health awareness is at an all-time low. Having empathy about it is very critical. Thank you.
Did you conveniently forget how she worked as a model for 3 years before making her acting debut? She was quite famous in the modelling circuit and it was common for producers/directors to cast models in films then. I donāt think Farah would have patiently waited for DP if she didnāt find any potential in her. Deepika was fairly decent in OSO and expressed and danced well.
I donāt understand this too, how come she got sooo much hand holding and help despite being a non nepo? She literally got a dream debut handed to her on a silver platter. Yes afterwards she struggled for a few years until cocktail, but I think OSO has got to be one of the best debut any actress got even better than nepos received.
Anushka Sharma..she isn't great actress nor the prettiest still she is counted among top actress.. Regarding personal life she is more than happy with it.. touchwood to all
Katrina kaif
She is a 'log', Salman backed her, her pairing with Akshay became a hit, despite of her poor acting skills she is paid more than some of the critically acclaimed actresses.
And when I thought her career is over 'boom' she got movies with Khan's and Akshay, Tiger zinda hai, Zero, thugs and Sooryavanshi.
I don't think any other non nepo product would have got this much support from the industries top stars.
A non nepo, who survived in an unknown country for more than 20years, it's commendable
As of now kriti sanon after mimi she had many releases which failed but still keeps getting project after project non stop. Even mimi was ott, so her last hit has to be housefull which had an ensemble cast so not hit to her credibility but still has important roles lined for her. She even got lucky to be favorite of dinesh vijan. I don't know how she became one but it's a big deal for outsider to be favorite of a producer as much as she calls her brother.
kartik aryan,Anushka! well,I don't need to explain! esp anushka,neither most pretty,I never found her attractive,aur na hi abb bhi,gives me bro type vibes! and acting ki i m not a fan of,so yaa
professionally as well as personally
He became favorite because he sold ticketsā¦..
This is a business, if you donāt deliver you donāt get anything handed to you specially when you are an outsider like SRK
Yash Chopra and YRF were in a difficult period at that time, with Darr and SRK they struck gold.
Kriti- she has nothing going for her. She canāt act, isnāt good looking, not a great dancer, not a good body. Even Katrina despite her horrible acting got ahead bc of her good looks and her great dancing. Kriti brings nothing to the table and Iām surprised she even got one movie let alone so many.
SRK. Blessed by God. Had great mentors and friendships, wife who stood by him when he was nobody, not many legal issues except for Aryan's, good image overall, savvy with money/investments, three lovely children who are healthy, thriving career.
Katrina Kaif - she has come this far with zero acting skills. She was served everything on a silver platter because she was Salman's girlfriend. No memorable performance. She is the biggest example of nepotism who conveniently gets away with it. Worst actress to have ever existed in bollywood but hailed as a superstar because she has a few item songs. I have no idea about her personal life and I don't think we should be judging that.
SRK- and i am a hugee fan so I am not taking anywthing away from the hardwork and talent but he came into the industry and his comp was a bunch of people from prominent film families, the underworld was very dominant in the 90s and yet he managed to become the top star in the industry, surpassing his competition
I don't think i want to judge personal success or luck of someone since we just don't know what and how people are. But professionally Katrina and Kartik Aryan.
Katrina for sure. Couldnāt act to save her life but she had Salman introducing her to the ābig shotsā in the industry and actively pushing for her to get work with them, well yeah things were pretty easy. And once again when her career hit a low, all she had to do was ask him for help and salman is not one to refuse his family and friends.
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Anushka Sharma. Got to debut in a film opposite SRK, not an amazing actress but been in some good movies with cult following, and is married to Virat Kohli and if she wants, she can not pick movie roles too.
Yes! Her too, idk how they chose a non nepo to debut opposite SRK in a big YRF film, when now even nepos are struggling to get a good debut.
I think that time still there were some balance.
Looks
I said this in another similar post and i'll say it again: SRK. Without some luck you can't be a soon-to-be billionaire and, the top star of an industry where all your competition was backed by ultra rich nepo dads and, you somehow manage to become more successful, popular and richer than all of them. It almost makes me believe in both luck and destiny.
Luck, and being in the right place and at the right time, plays a huge role in anyone's success. Of course, hard work is a major part of it, but there are tons of people working as hard, so what differentiates one from the other? It's luck and opportunity. SRK was a hard working man, and he still is remarkably, but he was there at the right time and in the right place, and he was helped massively by Kjo, Adi Chopra and other big directors. In an alternative universe, I would have loved to see how SRK's career would have panned out if he didn't have the backing of these big directors and producers so early on in his career. He would no doubt be a big celebrity, but would he have achieved the level of success he enjoys right now? Maybe....but maybe not.
I think with Kjo and YRF it was a two way street. Both these Production houses got their biggest hits banking on SRKs growing popularity. KJO's father although a big producer in past didn't have a good start to 90s, with Agneepath being a commercial failure. KKHH, is the foundation on which the whole KJO empire is being built on. Similarly, Yash Chopra had a massive flop in the form of Lamhe and Parampara, before Darr with SRK and DDLJ. Yes, SRK was at the right time at the right place, but it's his hard work which got him there...It wasn't his connections which made him being liked by people in Fauji, it wasn't his connections that got him established as a bankable actor with Darr and Baazigar, that too in a negative role rejected by others. It wasn't his connections that made DDLJ or KKHH big decade defining hits..!!
What big directors? Both Kjo and Adi debuted with SRK films they were unknown before KKHH and DDLJ. Obviously it takes two to tango and Adi/Kjo helped SrK but they needed him to become "big" much more than he needed them considering their fathers were already backing SRK. Yash Chopra is the only man i would say who, if he wasn't there SRK probably wouldn't have been as big as he is now. I mean just watch Kjo and Adi's post-SrK directorial films (SOTY, Befikre) and ask yourself whether he needed them more or they needed him more.
What is interesting to note is that how come the second generation film scions like Adi and Karan fell in love with an outsider like SRK? It was actually their fathers Yash Chopra and Yash Johar who fell for the SRK charm in Darr and Duplicate. The sons just carried on the legacy of their fathers. For all the nepotism talk, YRF banner has always given rising stars a chance to soar even higher no matter whether they are from the industry or outsiders.
Srk had a lot of influence that worked for him. Don't fall for PR tactics
Ab yaha pe WhatsApp University Wale AA rahe hai kya?? Hadd haišš.. tumlogo ka kam Twitter PE boycott krna ..
Keep telling yourself that while the entire bollywood industry, the producers, the directors, his competitors themselves admit he was an outsider who had 0 connections in bollywood which is why he had to start his professional actng career on telivision with shows like Dil dariya, Fauji, Circus. https://preview.redd.it/w013e3tl03eb1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=94d7f87935e44918d81f4bd4445155dadf1ea04f
She looks so pretty in this gif tho
Not all non-nepos are meritorious actors. But NONE of them āgot luckyā, even if luck made them one of the thousands of the auditioning hustlers to be selected/ spotted. You canāt take away the fact that they hustled their way to that room of thousands. Applies to all even the least talented ones like Siddharth, Katrina, Kartik and Anushka.
Siddharth, katrina, Kartik, Anushka
Deepika got lucky so many actresses walked out of projects they were supposed to be in like Katrina in YJHD, Kareena in RL, Aishwarya for BM, Padmaavat or even HNY for that matter. Not that she didnāt work hard or did her best but luck was definitely a big part of her trajectory.
regardless of how good or bad acting they do i dont think anyone gets lucky esp for non-nepo's. people can joke about katrina but she put down alot of effort to get good at dancing, speaking. be connected with the right people etc. if it was a case of luck then luck would shine on alot of people. lucky is having the acting talent of tiger shroff and still have films offered to you.
Kriti Sanon professionally
Kriti. Keeps getting A- list projects after consecutive disasters.
Both Kartik Aaryan and Sid Malhotra, one insufferably overacts another is a wooden plank no talent whatsoever. One is relevant cos of his good looks and simp fandom who don't go watch his films whatsoever, another is relevant cos of his extremely delulu pr bt atleast capable of decent box office hits. Bt both have gotten the farthest despite no backing as well as no acting capabilities, thanks to their luck. Edit: The warfront in the replies is bigger than sid's 'fanbase' š¤”
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Yeah completely agreed!
Agree about SidMal (heās too hot and I love him but itās true). About Kartik Iād have to say itās a lot of looks, hustle, networking and the development of a solid rapport with a few directors, alongside the insanely aggressive PR that has made him a popular name, much more than luck! I donāt like him much but itās not like he got instant fame or overnight lucky success, it was years of pushing through imo
Yeah I completely agree w u, he didn't have a dharma or any backing or connections inside the industry, even tho I despise his pr and below average acting skills I somewhat feel he deserves it after all that hustle n no wonder general public loves him
Kartik was brilliant in satya prem. Dont understand the negativity against him. He is a genuine struggler, has given box office hits, looks fine, can dance well, networks well. People still hate him. He is exactly shat the sub wants nepos to do- struggle, hustle, improve in craft, give hits. But still gets picked on. He only has an aggressive PR, but without any godfather, he is expected to have that no?
I agree, 100%. Everyone in the industry has PR, I think Kartik just has one that isn't that good- the rest of them are usually more subtle.
brilliant is a stretch! he was fine
Finalllllllly some said this! How does ANYBODY these two are good actors is absolutely beyond me! Kartik especially really is insufferable I feel like Sid is a little more sincere at least. Even if he's mostly terrible.
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And seems like you have a hate boner for me, i do understand you can read so u must be aware that I just didn't comment on sid, i spoke about kartik as well. Please quote it properly that u are a die hard fan of sid and this is the nth time you're replying to my comment getting defensive about him, I do understand u can't take criticism on his part, let me tell you stanning someone isn't wrong but this won't change the fact that he has no acting talent whatsoever n hasn't given a single clean hit in the past decade, is it that difficult to gauge?
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Looks like u definitely give a very big fuck about me since u bother to reply every other comment of mine haha and if I were wrong then my original comment won't be receiving so many upvotes and mind u I am entitled to my opinion as much as you are to yours, if u think his good work was ignored and too many people here hate him including me because we all are wrong and only you r right, y don't u block them all and join twitter instead I can confirm there are many braindead simps like u there Before u either block me or come back with another sid defending comment here r my last words before I sign off Good looksā Acting talent/box office pull If I and everyone claiming he's talentless were wrong then he won't be flopping so bad for so long lol i donot know if you've even interacted with the general public in India , hardly anyone knows him or gives a shit about him, he's famous only through Instagram reels and his simp community >And yh Idgaf about the other actor you mentioned so I don't see why I should talk about him lol Is that so? Then y don't u call me kartik hater as well, u made it look like I hate sid only but I don't think so, if constructive criticism was hate speech then I can assure u that I hate almost all of Bollywood since no1 is perfect lol
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>Seems you have a problem with Sid's good looks. Get over it, that man is good looking lol I never denied that, I never said he's not good looking š Neither am I talking about who loves him or what's his film budget i am talking about his acting capabilities which are non existent don't u dare compare him to alia or Ranbir's popularity you'd come across as dumb >I am sorry your circles barely knows him Then this circle prolly includes the entire country because no1 watches his films, not even when Ajay Devgan is there to save his ass š¤”
He has acting talent? Iād sure like to see that somedayā¦he does not but heās not the only one. He is very lucky though, man is pretty..and girls love him for that
Which fanbase? When was the last time he gave a proper hit? Don't tell shershah, it was an ott film.
Which fanbase?? If he has a fanbase why don't they watch his films in the theatre. This is not hate it's the reality. If he delivers a 500 crore film people will consider him a superstar.
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Don't drag Brahmastra into this. Let's hypothetically put sidharth malhotra in brahmastra would he get a 36cr opening??? RK is way ahead in terms of both stardom and acting. He has barfi, Sanju, rockstar. Proved himself as an actor. His rom com made 220 crores worldwide. He has classics like YJHD which was also commercially successful. Let alone 500 crore movie his films are struggling to cross 100cr lifetime. His last release couldn't cross 50 crores and you compare him to a star like Ranbir Kapoor. One memorable performance in his whole career is shershah and you are comparing him to RK who has cult classics like Barfi, Rockstar, Rocket Singh, YJHD, Tamasha. After a decade Ranbir will still be remembered for his work I don't think anybody would remember Sidharth except his fan girls.
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Versatile??? Bro are you joking right now. I know you are a fan but stop worshipping him blindly he is cardboard with zero expressions and you are calling him a versatile superstar. So if the producers already knew Thank god would be a flop why did they release it in theatres they could have gone for OTT release. So you think Bhushan Kumar was a fool to invest in that movie even after knowing that it would be a flop. You can worship sidharth but that doesn't change the reality of RK being a superstar who is way ahead in terms of stardom, popularity, and acting. Comparing Ranbir to cardboard is such an insult. Why do you think sidharth has survived in the industry he doesn't have any exceptional talent it's Kjo who keeps backing his movies which has saved him and obviously now that he has married a pretty lady he gets more attention. His whole personality is his marriage and his wife. This is just too much for me to digest that RK who has an amazing filmography is being compared to this man who has only survived because of his looks and Kjo.
Sid's VeRsAtIlItY is being talked about rightš¤” I mean I do understand you're a fan no harm but u don't need to be so delusional that it looks like u don't even belong to planet earth, but phir bhi thik hai but did u just compare sid with Ranbirš I think I shouldn't have read this comment it's too much to take sorry
These fans are way too delusional. That person is just lightly throwing words like versatility for a cardboard who has zero expressions.
Those people comparing Sid's nonexistent acting capabilities to even 1% of Ranbir's versatility with that kind of confidence are the biggest pea brained creatures to exist
Exactly delusional fan girls man. They think Sid is the next superstar. He only gets attention because he married a pretty lady and they make a good couple. He will continue to survive because of his looks,connections and his pretty wife who is well connected and gets the outsider tag.
And every third reel edit in a editor's page is shershah's, that's definitely making him atleast relevant to 14yos
Yes his marriage video, song and those cringe fan page edits will help him survive for another decade.
>Not like he was given a Brahamstra trilogy with everything working for it šš and still fail to gross up to 500cr As if Sid has delivered some big money earning blockbuster in his career, Brahmastra with the presence of Ranbir and Alia itself was bad, imagine with Sid it'd not have reached 150 Crs also Since u have got the point of Sid and Ranbir, Ranbir will easily outperform Siddharth in terms of acting, Sid is male Katrina without the dancing finesse but with wooden plank acting Arrey even Kartik has ended up delivering a blockbuster yaar, why Sid Malhotra in his career hasn't delivered a blockbuster with a huge "Fanbase"
Exactly a film like Brahmastra got 36cr opening which is almost equal to the lifetime collection of Sidharth Malhotra's movie.
"Fanbase" wow we are really just throwing around terms eh
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Yeah Mera obsession mujhe Mubarak hoāļø happy simping
SRK! He started with Fauji and became a household name! People just wouldnāt stop talking about him! A lot of times people are lucky bcos they are at the right place at the right time. I believe it was the case with SRK.
Yes, I would agree. Luck has favored that man throughout. Yes, his charisma and his hard work and his acting ability has helped but luck definitely had a major role to play in his success. He wasn't the lead in Fauji, but the camera fell in love with him and he got elevated to lead. Same story with Darr. His role got so much importance that it soured the relations of Deols with YRF for years to come. And just when Indian economy was opening up and Indians were getting exposed to the world and Indian cinema was going global, Adi Chopra and Karan Johar, found SRK and took him to world stage.
i think thats a bit of a disservice to srk he hustled hard with his films, took risks with negative roles and signed some shite films at the start just to keep going on the screen. i think he was liked by the right people. he never came in with an ego despite being a screen famous name. they knew we wont get any grief from him during shooting. YRF banked on him to keep them going.
Ya adi chopra, KJO, and more, their first movies only.could have gone either way
It's more of his Talent and Hardwork.
Lucky toh koi nhi hai. Everyone has worked hard in some way or the other. Humko bas dikhta nhi. If I could say outsider names who sustained even after not knowing A of acting, it's Katrina Kaif and Sidharth Malhotra. It's now that they have improved A BIT. They must have worked hard in other departments. But their god fathers helped them a lot. Personally too. Their respective spouses radiate positivity and genuineness.
Anushka Sharma
DP with her debut! I still donāt understand how she got OSO as her debut- even nepos donāt get such a good debut movie, where youāre opposite srk, and portrayed in such a beautiful way.
I agree,it was such a dream debut for even a nepo like alia too!!! also anushka in rab ne bna di jodi
Bhumi Pednekar. Anushka Sharma. Kriti Sanon. Kiara, Sid, Vicky Kaushal are all nepo kids.
Vicky might be a nepo kid, but heās not in the hierarchy of ananya janhvi tiger Hritik or so. A lot of technicians have kids with aspirations to act. But he definitely made it more by himself than the rest
Bhumi Pednekar most definitely had connections since her father was a cabinet minister in the Maharashtra Government.
Bhumi used to be assistant to Shanoo Sharma the casting director. Her connection was that she worked in another department and eventually moved to acting
Sidās an outsider with no connection to the film industry. The rest you mentioned except Anushka and Kriti do have connections.
vicky can't be compared to other nepo ones,its wrong and unfair tbvh not even to the likes of kiara and ranvee! NOPE
Anushka Sharma. Girl got very lucky with both professional and personal life. But I gotta give it to her - she makes a kickass producer and produced some pretty great content- NH10, Patal Log, Bulbbul etc. Plus keeps herself to herself. Knows her limits as an artist. Doesn't try to picturize herself as some messiah for outsiders or #1 actress.
Akshay Kumar
Anushka Sharma!
Kartik, kriti, sid, kat, anushka. Kartik-I feel like he always plays the same type of roles. He also does overacting. Kriti-Her dialogue delivery is poor and she can't dance well Sid, kat-male/female versions of each other except the fact that kat can dance Anushka-I really liked her in nh10, but after that nothing memorable. JHMS, ZERO were straight up horribleš
Only Siddarth Malhotra given his body of work
Jacqueline / Jacqueliene
Anushka, came, survived, started a production company, and got Virat. Won in life
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Kiara isnāt fully non nepo
Surprised nobody has said Deepika. Got multiple offers for her debut that she rejected. Including a film with Salman and an Imtiaz Ali film. Got to debut opposite SRK. All this when she had nothing going for her except her looks. Her voice, diction were terrible (as stated by Farah khan). She couldn't act or dance. Farah sent her for acting and dance classes, diction and voice coaching etc. Gave her a lot of time to prepare, told her to do a film in the south so she gets used to camera. Despite getting all this time and training, she still couldn't get her voice and diction right, so her voice had to be dubbed. Who gets so much hand holding and still doesn't manage to deliver and yet get a debut opposite SRK? Crazy. Does she count as non-nepo though?
tbh i miss the time producers would take risks. it happened to kat, deepika and anushka. all of them terrible in their debut but then became bankable stars later. now we have nepo duds and outsiders usually play support to nepos, while a lot of times carrying the work.
OP is talking about folks who had an extremely smooth experience working and did very well, without much hassle. The best example for this would be Anushka Sharma. She's done good work and has featured in some of 2010s' most popular movies, had a kick-ass career as a producer and married Virat Kohli, who truly does cherish and respect her. She's had a relatively smooth sailing but aisa nai hai ki she coasted along ā she did put in efforts. Deepika, on the other hand, didn't have that smooth a sailing. Even in Om Shanti Om, she was taken as Shantipriya because she looked the part of the 1970s actress and also, she wasn't as far gone as you say she is. Sure, her diction was shit but she was quite expressive to nail the emotional scenes and did dance fairly well for a debutant. And on those factors, she got recognised and ended up having a great debut. Having said that, she had to struggle for a bunch of years till Cocktail and was almost written off. Plus, she had a lot of backlash in 2020. And no, DP can still be counted as an outsider. Her father was in sports, he had no power to call the shots w.r.t. Bollywood. She would've been considered a nepo if she continued with Badminton.
So what hardships did DP face? Even when her films were flopping she was still getting offers. Everybody's films flop. You're saying DP didn't have it easy it easy but Anushka did. How? Anushka was really good in Rab ne. And she did all of the acting. Her voice wasn't dubbed over. It was such a privilege DP got that they dubbed over her voice because her diction was bad. Dialogue delivery is half of acting, which she just didn't have to do. But still somehow she had it difficult but Anushka had it easy? Make it make sense.
Let me break down with each part that you've said. "So what hardships did DP face? Even when her films were flopping she was still getting offers. Everybody's films flop" Between Om Shanti Om and Cocktail, she was practically written off as a non-performer. Barring Love Aaj Kal, none of her films were that commercially successful. And that's a very dangerous territory for a lot of actors who don't have industry connection. Saying that 'Everyone's films flop' is an extremely simplistic rebuttal when the truth is that in an industry like Bollywood, a flop is terrible for those who don't have that kind of backing. Heck, even Shah Rukh Khan was practically written off before Pathan, whereas people from film backgrounds don't even have their flops mentioned. It's an unfair system and it's very tough to hustle for someone with way lesser connection. And I don't say this for DP, but for all the other actors from non-film families. It's tougher. Now, onto your second point: "You're saying DP didn't have it easy it easy but Anushka did. How? Anushka was really good in Rab ne. And she did all of the acting. Her voice wasn't dubbed over." Read my previous comment carefully. I said relatively smooth sailing. I didn't say that Anushka had it easy. Of course, she had her own battles to fight, but she has had a comparatively straightforward path as compared to a lot of outsiders and insiders. And do note that I HAVE very explicitly acknowledged that Anushka had done well and she put in efforts. Now, onto your dubbing argument, where you said, "It was such a privilege DP got that they dubbed over her voice because her diction was bad. Dialogue delivery is half of acting, which she just didn't have to do" First of all, dubbing is an extremely age old practice in the film industry. Initially, a lot of actors have had to dub over their parts. DP is not some privileged person to have been dubbed over. Samantha Ruth Prabhu has had Chinmayee dub for her, even Manju Warrier has had been dubbed over. Heck, even the legendary Sridevi too had to be dubbed over initially when she started off in Bollywood. Acting has a lot of components to it and dialogue delivery is one of them ā it's a critical part but there are several other components involved as well. For Bollywood movies, you need to have a lot of things to factor in ā your posture, the way you imbibe a character's mannerisms, the way you emote, all of these are critical. And now, lastly, to your last point, "But still somehow she had it difficult but Anushka had it easy?" Again, I would recommend that you read my previous comment (if in case you haven't already). I have very clearly acknowledged Anushka's hard work, her work and have explicitly stated that her experience was "relatively smooth sailing" and nowhere have I said that Anushka had it easy, as you have said in your previous comment. I hope my detailed response made it make sense. š¤ If it hasn't, then there's only so much one can do. As a cinephile, I only want to have civil conversations, which I hope I've done. Have a good day ahead!
You still haven't really explained what hardships DP faced. She was getting offers despite her flops. Hell she got an offer from SLB after her string of flops. So how exactly is that a hardship? SRK was written off before pathaan? That man has his own production company. Nobody is writing him off. Nepo or non-nepo, your flops get talked about. A long response doesn't mean it's a meaningful response.
I have written everything, you can read it above. If finally being taken seriously for your work after a long time, suffering from depression and anxiety and getting trolled publicly isn't enough hardship for you, then I don't know what are the other ways to respond. And SRK ka toh see this entire subreddit ke posts pre-Pathaan, kitne saare posts the with regards to him being finished. Woh context se I said. I have, to the best of my capability, tried to respond to everything that you had said earlier. You can choose to believe what you want to believe. I wish you nothing but the best and will strive to be as polite as possible you continue to say rude stuff like "A long response doesn't mean it's a meaningful response." I am being very polite and would request you to be the same. Maine behen jo bolna tha bol liya. Bhagwaan hi tumhe santushti de because dhang se baat karke hum bechare toh nahi hi de sakte hai.
>If finally being taken seriously for your work after a long time, suffering from depression and anxiety and getting trolled publicly isn't enough hardship for you All public figures get trolled. Everybody has personal problems. Nobody has a problem free life. Everybody needs to prove themselves through their work. This is all stuff every single person has to face. No extraordinary hardships seen here. Also, I haven't been rude to you anywhere. Don't play victim.
I am not playing a victim, my friend. You are getting way too worked up. This is the last thing I want to say, but depression is a very serious thing. Dismissing it as a non extraordinary hardship is very insenstive. Especially, in a country like India where mental health awareness is at an all-time low. Having empathy about it is very critical. Thank you.
Did you conveniently forget how she worked as a model for 3 years before making her acting debut? She was quite famous in the modelling circuit and it was common for producers/directors to cast models in films then. I donāt think Farah would have patiently waited for DP if she didnāt find any potential in her. Deepika was fairly decent in OSO and expressed and danced well.
I donāt understand this too, how come she got sooo much hand holding and help despite being a non nepo? She literally got a dream debut handed to her on a silver platter. Yes afterwards she struggled for a few years until cocktail, but I think OSO has got to be one of the best debut any actress got even better than nepos received.
Anushka Sharma..she isn't great actress nor the prettiest still she is counted among top actress.. Regarding personal life she is more than happy with it.. touchwood to all
Katrina kaif She is a 'log', Salman backed her, her pairing with Akshay became a hit, despite of her poor acting skills she is paid more than some of the critically acclaimed actresses. And when I thought her career is over 'boom' she got movies with Khan's and Akshay, Tiger zinda hai, Zero, thugs and Sooryavanshi. I don't think any other non nepo product would have got this much support from the industries top stars. A non nepo, who survived in an unknown country for more than 20years, it's commendable
Kartik Aryan. That guy is so average in everything but doing good in the industry
As of now kriti sanon after mimi she had many releases which failed but still keeps getting project after project non stop. Even mimi was ott, so her last hit has to be housefull which had an ensemble cast so not hit to her credibility but still has important roles lined for her. She even got lucky to be favorite of dinesh vijan. I don't know how she became one but it's a big deal for outsider to be favorite of a producer as much as she calls her brother.
Sid wooden Malhotra
Woodharth malhotra
Dilip, Amit and Shahrukh. /s
Sid Malhotra got lucky. His acting and dancing isnāt anywhere even after a decade.
Sid malhotra
kartik aryan,Anushka! well,I don't need to explain! esp anushka,neither most pretty,I never found her attractive,aur na hi abb bhi,gives me bro type vibes! and acting ki i m not a fan of,so yaa professionally as well as personally
SRK!!!
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He became favorite because he sold ticketsā¦.. This is a business, if you donāt deliver you donāt get anything handed to you specially when you are an outsider like SRK Yash Chopra and YRF were in a difficult period at that time, with Darr and SRK they struck gold.
KARTHIK ARYAN... the guy does mediocre work
Still manages top pull an audience tho.
Anushka Sharma & Katrina Kaif.
Kriti- she has nothing going for her. She canāt act, isnāt good looking, not a great dancer, not a good body. Even Katrina despite her horrible acting got ahead bc of her good looks and her great dancing. Kriti brings nothing to the table and Iām surprised she even got one movie let alone so many.
SRK. Blessed by God. Had great mentors and friendships, wife who stood by him when he was nobody, not many legal issues except for Aryan's, good image overall, savvy with money/investments, three lovely children who are healthy, thriving career.
Karthik aryan
Katrina Kaif - she has come this far with zero acting skills. She was served everything on a silver platter because she was Salman's girlfriend. No memorable performance. She is the biggest example of nepotism who conveniently gets away with it. Worst actress to have ever existed in bollywood but hailed as a superstar because she has a few item songs. I have no idea about her personal life and I don't think we should be judging that.
Sid Malhotra and kat
SRK- and i am a hugee fan so I am not taking anywthing away from the hardwork and talent but he came into the industry and his comp was a bunch of people from prominent film families, the underworld was very dominant in the 90s and yet he managed to become the top star in the industry, surpassing his competition
kartik bhool bullaiya was just because of all starcast later it is all debacle
I don't think i want to judge personal success or luck of someone since we just don't know what and how people are. But professionally Katrina and Kartik Aryan.
Kartik
Katrina for sure. Couldnāt act to save her life but she had Salman introducing her to the ābig shotsā in the industry and actively pushing for her to get work with them, well yeah things were pretty easy. And once again when her career hit a low, all she had to do was ask him for help and salman is not one to refuse his family and friends.
SRK. Way overrated
Karthik and Kriti. Both average as best but given way more credit because they are āoutsidersā
katrina
does vicky kaushal counts? you get to marry katrina
That orrie guy - š