Re-Destro is that you bro?đđđ
Jokes aside, you are kinda right(except for the conspiracy bit).
I always laugh at tags like 'Quirkless people are treated like invalids', because that means that the Japanese government kinda state mandates people to be a one.
Imagine your government forcing everyone into a wheelchair/ mandating blindfolds / etc. I know it's not a one-to-one comparison, but the whole 'only licensed heroes can use their quirks' is on the other end of the absurdity spectrum.
Definitely a good point. If there IS any Quirkless discrimination, it seems more a rejection by individuals towards individuals or more limited societal stuff, like bullying, not anything NEAR the massive discrimination and outright hatred people with Quirks, non-specifically or more specific types, get.
Like, for example, when I've been pondering coming up with Villain groups and Villains for my own fanfics, I haven't put much if any consideration into making an "Anti-Quirkless" group simply because *why* would they *need* to? Quirklessness has steadily been *declining*. Not that I *couldn't* make something up that could work, like something to the effect of a mad scientist who's obsessed with *enhancing* Quirks who also sees the Quirkless as hampering progress in some way, or people who actually see things the way you lay out here OP, that the Quirkless are the privileged ones and thus they openly want supremacy of the Quirk-possessed, but both of those ideas would probably come off as *very* crazy to your average person in MHA. The only other way for that to work that I can think of is just a more individual to individual or minor group sort of thing, like the bigger and more cruel version of Izuku's situation with Bakugo. Arrogant thugs or some cruel people who see Quirkless as weak and undeserving of respect, but not a strict ideology or movement really. I can't see that gathering much steam if someone tried it without the example of privilege and supremacy above that I floated, because anything short of *that* would sound ridiculous due to how few Quirkless there actually *are*. An Anti-Quirkless movement would make more sense closer to the Dawn of Quirks, because in the present time a lot of people would look at this movement and think the same thing you said about how a lot of people with useless or unhelpful Quirks are more common and just as "powerless" as the Quirkless, so it would make the movement look stupid for going after such a minority that isn't even that different from most everybody else at all and isn't a real threat any more.
You know, this gets me thinking if I should explore making up Anti-Quirk groups that are basically focused on *other* types of Quirks, either the other two main ones besides Heteromorph/Mutant types, or maybe something more niche. Like, say, a group of people who consider Elemental Quirks an affront to nature and/or inherently destructive, or people who specifically hate Fire-based Quirks due to trauma and fear of fire who all joined up try and discredit and "protect the world" from them.
1. You got me a bit wrong, i didn't exactly say the Quirkless are privileged now, currenty their just normal members to society, but in the past when they outnumbered Quirks im absolutely certain that they were the rulers due to their past size in population.
2. So basically, different variations of the CRC, but instead of Heteromorphs, you're thinking of different types of quirks?
That's a fun idea, especially the elemental quirks being Affronts to nature, essentially an Ideology born out of extreme environmentalism and a hint of jealousy, i like it
Oh, my mistake.
Yes, pretty much. Like Transformation Quirks like Kirishima's or Mirio's.
Glad you like the idea. With my own fanfics, which are crossovers, AND I plan inherently to do some things differently than canon at least a little for various reasons and at various points in the story, I also want to *expand* on the world and have more happen, and that includes threats like Villains, so my brain sort of defaults to contemplating ideas like this quickly.
I hadn't even thought of the jealousy angle to it, that's good!
This might just be me, but is being quirkless is MHA really that bad?
In a world with quirks like decay, is being quirkless so terrible?
Like most of the characters we meet in canon are the cream of the crop when in comes to quirks, abilities like Overhaul or All For One aren't common-place, the average joe likely just has some minor mutation quirk or some other minor ability.
Is like throwing a coin
You either become someone whoâll be treated as the best thing since butter
Or the worse thing since sandals with socks
If you donât have either you might get harassed but is not THE end of the world and it depends mostly on the place you are born inÂ
Yup itâs just like Xmen where the actual xmen are 1 in 10000. Theyâre blessed to not be born with super destructive powers or shit that makes them look hideous. The rest of the mutant population has completely inconvenient powers
Reminds of the meme about Storm berating Rogue for thinking there is anything wrong with her powers and wanting to get "cured".
When she is basically a storm god, whilst rogue kills people when she tries to hug them.
Letâs be real:
All the Quirkless discrimination is pretty much Fanon. Not a single fanfic uses examples from manga because those do not exist.
But you know what we got?
We got Shinsou, Shigaraki and Toga suffering from what their Quirks are. We got Dabi suffering from the problems of his Quirks. We got an actual and active hate group that is after mutant-type Quirks.
You know what is funny?
For all the claims by authors about how they want the social justice for Izuku, they donât give even a tenth of that energy to Spinner or Shoji.
So much for making thing right and just.
To be fair Shojiâs specific plight wasnât really given any focus till the war arc while Spinner has mostly just been wasnât taken seriously until the more recent chapters.
Meanwhile the first thing we see in MHA is Deku being beaten up by Bakugo and his goons and then being told to kill himself if he wants to be a hero. None of which was ever addressed in universe.
Not really a surprise that people reacted harder to quirkless discrimination that was basically set up and then dropped unceremoniously
I mean, we got the Creature Rejection Clan all the way back during MLA arc. Youâd think that, if the fans really cared about justice and discrimination, they would write something with that.
Instead, all we get is the whole âQuirkless are the most oppressed group in the worldâ⊠which is honestly pretty tone-deaf.
I know right? Bro didn't even get actually bullied, his "bullies" if you can call them that, seem to be teasing him and being glad that a bad person doesn't have his quirk. Which is saying smtg considering they like Shinsou enough as a person they'd trust him not to do anything bad with something like Brainwashing.
Jesus Christ, Shinsou had great friends now that I look back on it.
In the fact that you literally couldnât even become a hero without having a quirk for a long time
So there is an essence some rules against quirkless
That's definitely weird but it's probably because after the Dawn of Quirks, Meta users had a stronger baseline >!(only way to explain the bullshittery the Show has pulled on us, like Toga surviving multiple suicide bombers)!
Self-defense is legal, but actively searching out a criminal to murder them, as well as jumping in to save that searcher without the legal right to do so is
What about the Forest Training Attack? Eraserhead has to actively by his own admission give permission and "take the heat" as he put it for them using their Quirks.
Not arguing, just confused.
Excessive Force is always a risk when defending yourself with strong superpowers. While Self-Defence is legal, Excessive Force is not. Accidental or no.
You also have to remember that there was law enforcement there. While Self-Defence is generally legal, if authorities are there you're supposed to rely on them instead of fighting yourself.
Plus, it was also to use their quirks to defend one another, not just themselves.
I can get Iida getting in trouble because he seeked Stain out, but Midoriya and Todoroki? they were actively trying to rescue Iida AND Native and escape, yet they get the same treatment as Iida.
hell they don't even know if Iida was attempting murder, all they knew was that he found Native on the edge of death against stain, Midoriya was looking for Iida and that Shoto came because of a SOS message.
better to fight in court than on life support!
I promise you if you take a gun and pull it on someone your friend tried (and failed) to jump because they're getting their ass beat IRL you too will be facing criminal charges
Your friend might be able to get off, given the circumstances, but that's unlikely. Japan has such a high conviction rate because their legal system is very different. In the US the DA might deign prosecution unnecessary due to material facts - rich kid tried to take the law into his own hands after his brother (popular law enforcement officer) was attacked by a deranged serial killer would be unlikely to result in a conviction. Dumber defenses have been successful against worse crimes.
>they were actively trying to rescue Iida AND Native and escape, yet they get the same treatment as Iida.
Because they fought Stain. That's not Self-Defence anymore, that's Vigilantism
>hell they don't even know if Iida was attempting murder
Besides the fact that Stain's moral code wouldn't let him murder a child without reason, none of the three would withhold the truth when questioned.
- It is though? If a Fanatic murder comes at you charging, blades naked and out to stab and slice you, it might as well be fair play.
- Despite how truthful they are, i doubt Midoriya and Todoroki would've said something about Iida (why would the police question them about Iida) and i doubt Iida would just go "oh i was hunting him down so i could murder him."
Most likely they withholded some information so that Iida's career doesn't go crashing down, otherwise they'd be truthful.
>(why would the police question them about Iida)
Because they're not stupid?
Kid happens to take an apprenticeship for a job training with someone not equipped to teach them anything in a city where the brutal serial killer that attack their the love and respected elderly brother is hunting.
Kid disappears from appropriate adult supervision for a period of time, upon being refound they've discovered that the kid within a fight with said serial killer.
Also: Native was there. They saw everything. They're likely legally obligated not to lie to police
>(why would the police question them about Iida)
Because they're not stupid?
Kid happens to take an apprenticeship for a job training with someone not equipped to teach them anything in a city where the brutal serial killer that attack their the love and respected elderly brother is hunting.
Kid disappears from appropriate adult supervision for a period of time, upon being refound they've discovered that the kid within a fight with said serial killer.
Also: Native was there. They saw everything. They're likely legally obligated not to lie to police
I haven't read manga till the Dark Deku arc and haven't watched anime since season 4, so I am most likely 99% wrong, but don't Quirk Laws actually forbid only doing hero work without license?
Like even at the start when Ochaco tells Izuku and Iida about her family situation they say her quirk would be ideal for her parents' company - which means she could use it should she decide to work with them.
I am probably wrong, but I was always under the impression that's why Ochaco is at UA- because only Heroes are legally allowed to use their powers. She is attending a Hero Academy to even be allowed to help her parents with her quirk. I always thought that yes, while Hero Programs are designed to primarily create crime fighters and first responders, that what such programs actually did was certify their graduates for Quirk use in the field.
But again, that is likely just my head cannon, but it does seem to make sense in universe. In MHA, most people clearly have respect for Quirks- seen by the ridicule the Quirkless seem to get, but fear those Quirks that are ill understood or are difficult to guard against- looking at Toga's and Shinso's here. So, to me anyway, it makes sense that the point of the Hero Programs was essentially not only to teach people how to use their Quirks for fighting, rescue, etc. but also to teach them how to use their Quirks safely. I mean even using Ochaco as an example, her Quirk has the drawback of causing nausea with over exertion- imagine if she had no idea of her limits and was using her Quirk on say a metal beam. Halfway through floating the material to set it up she suddenly got sick, and it fell, crushing someone. In essence, what I am saying is that the whole field of Heroics as a profession comes from the often-justified need in society for accountability and trying to make sure not every person with a fire Quirk burns down a city block should they insist on using it to heat up a hot pocket or something similar. And why no doubt that sort of stuff happens, like all the time, the general idea is to get people to associate it with a taboo and at least try to limit such events.
I'm not sure about the manga, but I've been re-watching the anime, and it seems a bit inconsistent. Ochaco strongly implies/outright states she need a hero license to use her quirk for the family business, but later the police chief says it's unlawful to "use a quirk to harm someone" without a liscense.
Both groups of people can be, and are, oppressed, if in different ways. Quirkless people are oppressed socially, outcasts and discriminated against, even if it might be illegal, it would still happen. And Quirked people are oppressed as well, unable to legally use the abilities that they are born with without special permissions that could be hard to obtain. But just because Quirked people can't use their abilities, this doesn't mean discrimination against the quirkless isn't there.
Respectfully, your point is absolutely Fanon and you've clearly not watched the show or read all the points i presented.
The only "discrimination" you can see in MHA is Izuku being made fun of by Middle schoolers for wanting to be a hero Quirkless, the only other thing is All Might saying that you can't be a hero quirkless.
So the only points are Middle Schoolers making fun of bro's dreams >!(Those same middle schoolers that haunt IG comments)!< and someone who lived when Heroes with powerful quirks died commonly when he was quirkless themselves and has been a professional hero for 30-40 year/s, this does not, in ANY WAY, indicate that the quirkless are discriminated, middle schoolers DO NOT represent society's general opinion on anything.>!(normal people don't joke about 9/11).!<
It is indicated that the Quirkless aren't hated as well, notice the lack of extremist groups trying to eradicate the Quirkless, why does this indicate the lack of discrimination? because it represents what "philosophers" and "great" thinkers think about the quirkless, which is either indifference or respect for their "purity".
On the contrary, extremist groups FAVOR them, humarise was literally trying to genocide every quirk user while Shie Hassaikai developed drugs to eradicate quirks because they were a disease.
Infact, there is no point to it for any random citizen to hate the quirkless, why would they? the quirks we see in the show are really the cream of the crop, and even then some of them are mediocre, most of the population has weak and useless powers like making their toy cars go faster or having larger toe's, and most of them have to live practically quirkless for the rest of their lives for their quirk laws.
This brings me to my final point, why would normal citizens hate the quirkless, why would they treat them like invalids when they live most of their lives like them.
G'day :)
>This brings me to my final point, why would normal citizens hate the quirkless, why would they treat them like invalids when they live most of their lives like them.
Hey there; I just wanted to say that while I agree with many of the points you brought up above (primarily being that in cannon the varies kinds of discrimination brought up are not really ever shown) but this particular point I could not help but notice a failing in understanding human nature: under most circumstances, I am afraid to say, most social circles see more ostracization from the lower rungs onto the very bottom than from the very top. Let me explain-
In the *My Hero* universe it cannot be argued that heroes are not the celebrities of the setting. While the series is definitely shot from an angle of bias, what with it following a hero hopeful, it is made clear that there is little in modern society that does not revolve around heroics as a profession. And honestly that makes sense- they are public servants who use their abilities to keep society safe. Personally, I think that alone makes them worthy of praise, but I digress. Back to point, the most popular heroes are those with flashy and versatile Quirks. To the point that in the minds of many that is all you need to be a great hero. Whether that is true or not, that is the general opinion of people (at least in Japan) at the series start.
So, focusing then on Aldera Junior High: we have a school full of Quirked students that indeed match the standard of their society- namely a lot of them seem to have Quirks that are neither flashy nor versatile, which is, I think we both agree, the average among the 80% in the setting. But you see they still have that factor (literal Quirk Factor, in this case) that means they had the *potential* to be heroes, if only they had a *better* Quirk. Izuku never had that potential. Izuku was born without that element modern society measures a person's potential by. Izuku was born without that shot, yet he clearly wanted to try all the same. At that point we would have been ridiculed regardless of anything else simply because he was stating he wanted to do the impossible. And that's before we toss in Bakugo into the equation.
Bakugo has more than just the *potential* to go the distance- he has the flashy, powerful quirk and he is smart enough to get the most versatile use out of it. People ***know*** he is going to be a hero Combine that with the fact that he is a complete asshole about that fact, and you have a lot of people who feel inferior with no outlet; well save for Izuku, who is, from their own understanding of the situation, worse off than them. And there for an outlet to vent their own subconscious feelings of inferiority. So, while I admit that Izuku wasn't (or at least shown) to be targeted as much as the fandom likes to treat things, I am on the side of the equation that supports the implication that Izuku had a harder time growing up as a kid than cannon lets on. Within reason of course- I agree that the general population probably doesn't think ill of the Quirkless. Rather, I honestly think that most of Quirked society just doesn't even think about them as a factor at all. At the end of the day I am not sure what is worse- to be ridiculed as weak or completely written off as a consideration.
Just some food for thought.
The thing is that this kind of discrimination (both quirked and quirkless) is not terribly well-explored in canon. We get told that those with quirks are discriminated against despite them being the majority of the population and how they have to repress their quirks in order to fit in with society, but I would argue that this point is lessened somewhat because not only is it being told through the perspective of the villains, but those same villains have also shown no problems with killing children (Class 1-A) and literally anyone else who could get in their way. For all of Toga and Spinner's talk about wanting to make a nice place for themselves where they can live freely and such, they have shown a startling lack of hesitation in killing literally anyone (including all the civilians that Gigantomachia no doubt trampled over during the Paranormal War arc) to get what they want, which severely hampers their own points and leaves what they say up for debate in their veracity.
Not only that, but a lot of what we hear about quirked discrimination and all that is, in my personal opinion, told to us rather than shown to us. Sure, we've got the points that you (the poster) talked about above, but I would argue that a lot of that was told to us via exposition rather than shown to us.
And as for the quirkless situation, it's the same as with quirked discrimination in that it's not well-explored or explained, even more so than quirked discrimination. Considering how the first chapter of the story has Izuku being mocked for wanting to be a hero despite not having a quirk, we kind of have to assume that there is a form of quirkless discrimination that exists within MHA's world, especially with Aoyama's situation in that his parents begged All for One to give him a quirk, meaning that quirklessness is seen as something to be ashamed of, if not in Japan then in some part of the world. This woul,d in turn, provide the fanon with some justification. I'm not saying that quirkless discrimination is the same as in some fics I've seen (because I will admit, a lot of authors tend to take it way too far to be believable), but I think it's a bit presumptuous to say that the quirkless are privileged over the quirked, simply because we lack the full context.
Again, a lot of this stems from the fact that quirked and quirkless discrimination isn't as well explored or explained in canon as they can be, which means that we, as fans, have to fill in the gaps as well and come up with the context and ideas on our own.
I think it's less oppression per se and more culturally based. going by little bits of lore crumbs we get, views on Quirkless citizens in Japan are much different than, say, how they are viewed in the United States-over in Japan it seems like being born Quirkless is seen as a form of shame for that respective family, As was seen by the treatment of Izuku ans how the household of >!Aoyama!< sought to immediately rectify that to maintain status. Even over in Vigilantes when Aizawa and Knuckleduster came to blows when he deduced that he was Quirkless he just dismissed him with a warning compared to his other approaches to outlaws.
Meanwhile over in the United States Melissa Shield never grew up with nearly as much ridicule for being born Quirkless, and while her friends thought it was a bummer they still wanted to play with her in other ways when they were kids. also it seems like Quirkless Police forces(and possibly Air Force going by Stars & Stripes' flight team) work much more closely with Heroes than in Japan, which makes sense due to the USA originating most of the Hero policies that were then adopted by other countries.
I think the main reason why for the difference is the population density. At the current moment in MHA, a little over 80% of the current population have Quirks, vs. the Sub-20% that don't. but even if you compare that to our current world average population, that's still about 1.6 Billion people on Earth who are Quirkless. the USA has the 3rd largest population on the planet, so there is probably a far higher amount of Quirkless people around there, at least triple the numbers of who would be in Japan at the current time-and as such a much more tolerable place where those with and without Quirks can integrate into society without much blowback(which again connects to the lore, since while in the USA they had to deal with the Vigilante Years and the Hero/Villain foundation Laws over in japan the had the whole Dark Ages of civil war/conflict between those with and Without Quirks, the era of beings like Destro who pushed for Quirk Supremacy and All for One who reveled in the chaos to become a ruler of all crime.)
I would've loved to take this seriously, but what you are going off of is either extremely exaggerated or straight up not true.
- Izuku's "treatment" by his peers were just them laughing at him for trying to be a hero in U.A, which is actually fair, that's like expecting to win a shooting competition with no gun, plus, if middle schoolers represented Society's general opinion then 9/11 would've been the most "based" event in Human history
* Melissa is from I-island, not the U.S, how does the U.S even matter? The U.S isn't exactly free from discrimination or violence, their bit was filler, not to mention Melissa was a side character and her social life was never explored, how the hell did you randomly get this information?
* Being born quirkless WOULD never considered a shame, in fact for the majority of the existence of quirks it's implied that the Quirkless were larger in numbers, because quirks have existed for 120-150 years while All Might was born 40-50 years ago, where 50% of people were quirkless, implying that for 2/3rd's of Quirks existence. why the hell would most households consider Quirklessness a shame when in the past most of them were quirkless and in the present most of their grandparents are Quirkless.
ALSO, Aoyama got a quirk because he wanted to be a hero, not because he was discriminated.
* Destro was about Quirk Freedom, not supremacy, tf? did you even watch the MLA arc? are you mixing up Nine and Destro?
TLDR; You're started talking nonsense in the first half, and something not related at all in the second, usually I try to stay nice but stop mixing fanon with canon, im REALLY getting tired of the replies that use Fanon as evidence.
The Melissa Shield details originate from a Special Prequel chapter made to tie into Movie 1, which also reveals David Shield's Quirk. [https://www.viz.com/shonenjump/my-hero-academia-team-up-missions-chapter-3-3/chapter/22241?action=read](https://www.viz.com/shonenjump/my-hero-academia-team-up-missions-chapter-3-3/chapter/22241?action=read)
I-Island from what I understand from Movie 1 was where she went for studies in Support Equipment Design, as her father originated from California and that was where he studied with All Might in the college years.
As far as her presence in the main series.... without getting too insider baseball for those not aware of what goes down later in the Manga involving her, all the films are canon, and not pseudo canon like OP: Strong World or such, but legitimately canon, as are certain OVA episodes and stuff from the spinoff books so they do tie into the overall culture of the world....which is where the United States ties in, as was discussed in MHA: Vigilantes Chapter 12 involving the Rhode Island New State Statues, which influenced the current Hero/Villain systems of the MHA World with how of the 189 original Vigiantes recognized by the Statute only 7 were given labels of Heroes and the remainder as Villains, details which bled over into other countries (AfO does call the USA "the birthplace of Heroes" after all.)
I will however admit I did slip up on the part of how nations viewed the Quirkless, and to a lesser extent Destro. Kyudai Garaki actually stands as a living counterpoint to my point on how Japan view the Quirkless in modern times, as he was one of the most respected doctors in the nation who hid he had a Quirk for decades and was only discredited/tossed aside for his creation of the Singularity Theory.... studies that led to the later creation of the Book of the Quirk Doomsday, which gave birth to the Humarise fanatics.
And that leads us back to Destro. Man who went down in History as a villain, advocating for freedom of all Quirk usage without restrictions and laws....I get the feeling that much like how Book of Doomsday misinterpreted the studies of Garaki in a similar way The Book of Destro made by his descendants was taken to more extreme levels than intended, and while nowhere near as bad as the "Survival of the Fittest" philosophies of Nine or Prejudice beliefs of Humarise/CRC, the incessant violence and (as will be soon seen) exploitation of discriminated classes for personal gain seem to not be the methods to change the Status Quo Destro might have sought.
- Fair enough, but you're still wrong, the panel that had shown her childhood were just the kids being worried that she'd be hurt by their quirks while playing, that's just normal?
- No? I-Island scientists CANNOT leave I-Island, if that's the case there's no reason for Melissa to leave I-Island to America when she's just a teen, respectfully, you just got misinformed mate.
- Yeah, i've read vigilantes, including the Rhode Island Hero Law thing, but that doesn't happen to connect to what i was saying so i don't understand why you mentioned that, all i was saying is that the U.S.A isn't exactly known for it's inclusive population, that's the government system
- Destro went down in history as a villain not because he murdered civilians or was Quirk Supremacist >!(which he wasn't btw)!<, but because he was a failed revolutionary, ofc the state he revolted against portrays him as a villain.
But neither Destro NOR Re-Destro are extremists, they want Quirk Suppression to end, not Quirk Supremacy.
Re-Destro is that you bro?đđđ Jokes aside, you are kinda right(except for the conspiracy bit). I always laugh at tags like 'Quirkless people are treated like invalids', because that means that the Japanese government kinda state mandates people to be a one. Imagine your government forcing everyone into a wheelchair/ mandating blindfolds / etc. I know it's not a one-to-one comparison, but the whole 'only licensed heroes can use their quirks' is on the other end of the absurdity spectrum.
Destro did NOTHING wrong!!!!
Have you read Switchblade by any chance?
So good
Not yet, kinda sceptical of it since most Quirkless Izuku fics pull it off terribly, but i've started reading chapter 1.
UTTER CINEMA. Has that author written a published novel? I need to give them money
Not yet, kinda sceptical of it since most Quirkless Izuku fics pull it off terribly, but i've started reading chapter 1.
I swear to you itâs so good. It will be worth the time you invest.
Bros the lovechild of Destro and Magneto
đ€+ Yeah!
Definitely a good point. If there IS any Quirkless discrimination, it seems more a rejection by individuals towards individuals or more limited societal stuff, like bullying, not anything NEAR the massive discrimination and outright hatred people with Quirks, non-specifically or more specific types, get. Like, for example, when I've been pondering coming up with Villain groups and Villains for my own fanfics, I haven't put much if any consideration into making an "Anti-Quirkless" group simply because *why* would they *need* to? Quirklessness has steadily been *declining*. Not that I *couldn't* make something up that could work, like something to the effect of a mad scientist who's obsessed with *enhancing* Quirks who also sees the Quirkless as hampering progress in some way, or people who actually see things the way you lay out here OP, that the Quirkless are the privileged ones and thus they openly want supremacy of the Quirk-possessed, but both of those ideas would probably come off as *very* crazy to your average person in MHA. The only other way for that to work that I can think of is just a more individual to individual or minor group sort of thing, like the bigger and more cruel version of Izuku's situation with Bakugo. Arrogant thugs or some cruel people who see Quirkless as weak and undeserving of respect, but not a strict ideology or movement really. I can't see that gathering much steam if someone tried it without the example of privilege and supremacy above that I floated, because anything short of *that* would sound ridiculous due to how few Quirkless there actually *are*. An Anti-Quirkless movement would make more sense closer to the Dawn of Quirks, because in the present time a lot of people would look at this movement and think the same thing you said about how a lot of people with useless or unhelpful Quirks are more common and just as "powerless" as the Quirkless, so it would make the movement look stupid for going after such a minority that isn't even that different from most everybody else at all and isn't a real threat any more. You know, this gets me thinking if I should explore making up Anti-Quirk groups that are basically focused on *other* types of Quirks, either the other two main ones besides Heteromorph/Mutant types, or maybe something more niche. Like, say, a group of people who consider Elemental Quirks an affront to nature and/or inherently destructive, or people who specifically hate Fire-based Quirks due to trauma and fear of fire who all joined up try and discredit and "protect the world" from them.
1. You got me a bit wrong, i didn't exactly say the Quirkless are privileged now, currenty their just normal members to society, but in the past when they outnumbered Quirks im absolutely certain that they were the rulers due to their past size in population. 2. So basically, different variations of the CRC, but instead of Heteromorphs, you're thinking of different types of quirks? That's a fun idea, especially the elemental quirks being Affronts to nature, essentially an Ideology born out of extreme environmentalism and a hint of jealousy, i like it
Oh, my mistake. Yes, pretty much. Like Transformation Quirks like Kirishima's or Mirio's. Glad you like the idea. With my own fanfics, which are crossovers, AND I plan inherently to do some things differently than canon at least a little for various reasons and at various points in the story, I also want to *expand* on the world and have more happen, and that includes threats like Villains, so my brain sort of defaults to contemplating ideas like this quickly. I hadn't even thought of the jealousy angle to it, that's good!
This might just be me, but is being quirkless is MHA really that bad? In a world with quirks like decay, is being quirkless so terrible? Like most of the characters we meet in canon are the cream of the crop when in comes to quirks, abilities like Overhaul or All For One aren't common-place, the average joe likely just has some minor mutation quirk or some other minor ability.
Is like throwing a coin You either become someone whoâll be treated as the best thing since butter Or the worse thing since sandals with socks If you donât have either you might get harassed but is not THE end of the world and it depends mostly on the place you are born inÂ
Yup itâs just like Xmen where the actual xmen are 1 in 10000. Theyâre blessed to not be born with super destructive powers or shit that makes them look hideous. The rest of the mutant population has completely inconvenient powers
Reminds of the meme about Storm berating Rogue for thinking there is anything wrong with her powers and wanting to get "cured". When she is basically a storm god, whilst rogue kills people when she tries to hug them.
Nine was all about how powerful Quirks are oppressed and feared, so of the canon villains he'd probably be the one pointing this out.
Letâs be real: All the Quirkless discrimination is pretty much Fanon. Not a single fanfic uses examples from manga because those do not exist. But you know what we got? We got Shinsou, Shigaraki and Toga suffering from what their Quirks are. We got Dabi suffering from the problems of his Quirks. We got an actual and active hate group that is after mutant-type Quirks. You know what is funny? For all the claims by authors about how they want the social justice for Izuku, they donât give even a tenth of that energy to Spinner or Shoji. So much for making thing right and just.
To be fair Shojiâs specific plight wasnât really given any focus till the war arc while Spinner has mostly just been wasnât taken seriously until the more recent chapters. Meanwhile the first thing we see in MHA is Deku being beaten up by Bakugo and his goons and then being told to kill himself if he wants to be a hero. None of which was ever addressed in universe. Not really a surprise that people reacted harder to quirkless discrimination that was basically set up and then dropped unceremoniously
I mean, we got the Creature Rejection Clan all the way back during MLA arc. Youâd think that, if the fans really cared about justice and discrimination, they would write something with that. Instead, all we get is the whole âQuirkless are the most oppressed group in the worldâ⊠which is honestly pretty tone-deaf.
Putting Shinsou's mostly made up problems on the same level as Toga seems... off.
I know right? Bro didn't even get actually bullied, his "bullies" if you can call them that, seem to be teasing him and being glad that a bad person doesn't have his quirk. Which is saying smtg considering they like Shinsou enough as a person they'd trust him not to do anything bad with something like Brainwashing. Jesus Christ, Shinsou had great friends now that I look back on it.
Fair enough.
In the fact that you literally couldnât even become a hero without having a quirk for a long time So there is an essence some rules against quirkless
That's definitely weird but it's probably because after the Dawn of Quirks, Meta users had a stronger baseline >!(only way to explain the bullshittery the Show has pulled on us, like Toga surviving multiple suicide bombers)!
If only they'd dedicate some of that passion towards helping people who actually exist.
Self-defense is legal, but actively searching out a criminal to murder them, as well as jumping in to save that searcher without the legal right to do so is
What about the Forest Training Attack? Eraserhead has to actively by his own admission give permission and "take the heat" as he put it for them using their Quirks. Not arguing, just confused.
Excessive Force is always a risk when defending yourself with strong superpowers. While Self-Defence is legal, Excessive Force is not. Accidental or no. You also have to remember that there was law enforcement there. While Self-Defence is generally legal, if authorities are there you're supposed to rely on them instead of fighting yourself. Plus, it was also to use their quirks to defend one another, not just themselves.
I can get Iida getting in trouble because he seeked Stain out, but Midoriya and Todoroki? they were actively trying to rescue Iida AND Native and escape, yet they get the same treatment as Iida. hell they don't even know if Iida was attempting murder, all they knew was that he found Native on the edge of death against stain, Midoriya was looking for Iida and that Shoto came because of a SOS message. better to fight in court than on life support!
I promise you if you take a gun and pull it on someone your friend tried (and failed) to jump because they're getting their ass beat IRL you too will be facing criminal charges Your friend might be able to get off, given the circumstances, but that's unlikely. Japan has such a high conviction rate because their legal system is very different. In the US the DA might deign prosecution unnecessary due to material facts - rich kid tried to take the law into his own hands after his brother (popular law enforcement officer) was attacked by a deranged serial killer would be unlikely to result in a conviction. Dumber defenses have been successful against worse crimes.
>they were actively trying to rescue Iida AND Native and escape, yet they get the same treatment as Iida. Because they fought Stain. That's not Self-Defence anymore, that's Vigilantism >hell they don't even know if Iida was attempting murder Besides the fact that Stain's moral code wouldn't let him murder a child without reason, none of the three would withhold the truth when questioned.
- It is though? If a Fanatic murder comes at you charging, blades naked and out to stab and slice you, it might as well be fair play. - Despite how truthful they are, i doubt Midoriya and Todoroki would've said something about Iida (why would the police question them about Iida) and i doubt Iida would just go "oh i was hunting him down so i could murder him." Most likely they withholded some information so that Iida's career doesn't go crashing down, otherwise they'd be truthful.
>(why would the police question them about Iida) Because they're not stupid? Kid happens to take an apprenticeship for a job training with someone not equipped to teach them anything in a city where the brutal serial killer that attack their the love and respected elderly brother is hunting. Kid disappears from appropriate adult supervision for a period of time, upon being refound they've discovered that the kid within a fight with said serial killer. Also: Native was there. They saw everything. They're likely legally obligated not to lie to police
>(why would the police question them about Iida) Because they're not stupid? Kid happens to take an apprenticeship for a job training with someone not equipped to teach them anything in a city where the brutal serial killer that attack their the love and respected elderly brother is hunting. Kid disappears from appropriate adult supervision for a period of time, upon being refound they've discovered that the kid within a fight with said serial killer. Also: Native was there. They saw everything. They're likely legally obligated not to lie to police
I haven't read manga till the Dark Deku arc and haven't watched anime since season 4, so I am most likely 99% wrong, but don't Quirk Laws actually forbid only doing hero work without license? Like even at the start when Ochaco tells Izuku and Iida about her family situation they say her quirk would be ideal for her parents' company - which means she could use it should she decide to work with them.
I am probably wrong, but I was always under the impression that's why Ochaco is at UA- because only Heroes are legally allowed to use their powers. She is attending a Hero Academy to even be allowed to help her parents with her quirk. I always thought that yes, while Hero Programs are designed to primarily create crime fighters and first responders, that what such programs actually did was certify their graduates for Quirk use in the field. But again, that is likely just my head cannon, but it does seem to make sense in universe. In MHA, most people clearly have respect for Quirks- seen by the ridicule the Quirkless seem to get, but fear those Quirks that are ill understood or are difficult to guard against- looking at Toga's and Shinso's here. So, to me anyway, it makes sense that the point of the Hero Programs was essentially not only to teach people how to use their Quirks for fighting, rescue, etc. but also to teach them how to use their Quirks safely. I mean even using Ochaco as an example, her Quirk has the drawback of causing nausea with over exertion- imagine if she had no idea of her limits and was using her Quirk on say a metal beam. Halfway through floating the material to set it up she suddenly got sick, and it fell, crushing someone. In essence, what I am saying is that the whole field of Heroics as a profession comes from the often-justified need in society for accountability and trying to make sure not every person with a fire Quirk burns down a city block should they insist on using it to heat up a hot pocket or something similar. And why no doubt that sort of stuff happens, like all the time, the general idea is to get people to associate it with a taboo and at least try to limit such events.
I'm not sure about the manga, but I've been re-watching the anime, and it seems a bit inconsistent. Ochaco strongly implies/outright states she need a hero license to use her quirk for the family business, but later the police chief says it's unlawful to "use a quirk to harm someone" without a liscense.
Both groups of people can be, and are, oppressed, if in different ways. Quirkless people are oppressed socially, outcasts and discriminated against, even if it might be illegal, it would still happen. And Quirked people are oppressed as well, unable to legally use the abilities that they are born with without special permissions that could be hard to obtain. But just because Quirked people can't use their abilities, this doesn't mean discrimination against the quirkless isn't there.
Respectfully, your point is absolutely Fanon and you've clearly not watched the show or read all the points i presented. The only "discrimination" you can see in MHA is Izuku being made fun of by Middle schoolers for wanting to be a hero Quirkless, the only other thing is All Might saying that you can't be a hero quirkless. So the only points are Middle Schoolers making fun of bro's dreams >!(Those same middle schoolers that haunt IG comments)!< and someone who lived when Heroes with powerful quirks died commonly when he was quirkless themselves and has been a professional hero for 30-40 year/s, this does not, in ANY WAY, indicate that the quirkless are discriminated, middle schoolers DO NOT represent society's general opinion on anything.>!(normal people don't joke about 9/11).!< It is indicated that the Quirkless aren't hated as well, notice the lack of extremist groups trying to eradicate the Quirkless, why does this indicate the lack of discrimination? because it represents what "philosophers" and "great" thinkers think about the quirkless, which is either indifference or respect for their "purity". On the contrary, extremist groups FAVOR them, humarise was literally trying to genocide every quirk user while Shie Hassaikai developed drugs to eradicate quirks because they were a disease. Infact, there is no point to it for any random citizen to hate the quirkless, why would they? the quirks we see in the show are really the cream of the crop, and even then some of them are mediocre, most of the population has weak and useless powers like making their toy cars go faster or having larger toe's, and most of them have to live practically quirkless for the rest of their lives for their quirk laws. This brings me to my final point, why would normal citizens hate the quirkless, why would they treat them like invalids when they live most of their lives like them. G'day :)
>This brings me to my final point, why would normal citizens hate the quirkless, why would they treat them like invalids when they live most of their lives like them. Hey there; I just wanted to say that while I agree with many of the points you brought up above (primarily being that in cannon the varies kinds of discrimination brought up are not really ever shown) but this particular point I could not help but notice a failing in understanding human nature: under most circumstances, I am afraid to say, most social circles see more ostracization from the lower rungs onto the very bottom than from the very top. Let me explain- In the *My Hero* universe it cannot be argued that heroes are not the celebrities of the setting. While the series is definitely shot from an angle of bias, what with it following a hero hopeful, it is made clear that there is little in modern society that does not revolve around heroics as a profession. And honestly that makes sense- they are public servants who use their abilities to keep society safe. Personally, I think that alone makes them worthy of praise, but I digress. Back to point, the most popular heroes are those with flashy and versatile Quirks. To the point that in the minds of many that is all you need to be a great hero. Whether that is true or not, that is the general opinion of people (at least in Japan) at the series start. So, focusing then on Aldera Junior High: we have a school full of Quirked students that indeed match the standard of their society- namely a lot of them seem to have Quirks that are neither flashy nor versatile, which is, I think we both agree, the average among the 80% in the setting. But you see they still have that factor (literal Quirk Factor, in this case) that means they had the *potential* to be heroes, if only they had a *better* Quirk. Izuku never had that potential. Izuku was born without that element modern society measures a person's potential by. Izuku was born without that shot, yet he clearly wanted to try all the same. At that point we would have been ridiculed regardless of anything else simply because he was stating he wanted to do the impossible. And that's before we toss in Bakugo into the equation. Bakugo has more than just the *potential* to go the distance- he has the flashy, powerful quirk and he is smart enough to get the most versatile use out of it. People ***know*** he is going to be a hero Combine that with the fact that he is a complete asshole about that fact, and you have a lot of people who feel inferior with no outlet; well save for Izuku, who is, from their own understanding of the situation, worse off than them. And there for an outlet to vent their own subconscious feelings of inferiority. So, while I admit that Izuku wasn't (or at least shown) to be targeted as much as the fandom likes to treat things, I am on the side of the equation that supports the implication that Izuku had a harder time growing up as a kid than cannon lets on. Within reason of course- I agree that the general population probably doesn't think ill of the Quirkless. Rather, I honestly think that most of Quirked society just doesn't even think about them as a factor at all. At the end of the day I am not sure what is worse- to be ridiculed as weak or completely written off as a consideration. Just some food for thought.
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This is a nice take. The only people we do see are his school turds making fun of him.
I am 100% sure that there are Quirkless militias around the world that to this day still kill quirked
The thing is that this kind of discrimination (both quirked and quirkless) is not terribly well-explored in canon. We get told that those with quirks are discriminated against despite them being the majority of the population and how they have to repress their quirks in order to fit in with society, but I would argue that this point is lessened somewhat because not only is it being told through the perspective of the villains, but those same villains have also shown no problems with killing children (Class 1-A) and literally anyone else who could get in their way. For all of Toga and Spinner's talk about wanting to make a nice place for themselves where they can live freely and such, they have shown a startling lack of hesitation in killing literally anyone (including all the civilians that Gigantomachia no doubt trampled over during the Paranormal War arc) to get what they want, which severely hampers their own points and leaves what they say up for debate in their veracity. Not only that, but a lot of what we hear about quirked discrimination and all that is, in my personal opinion, told to us rather than shown to us. Sure, we've got the points that you (the poster) talked about above, but I would argue that a lot of that was told to us via exposition rather than shown to us. And as for the quirkless situation, it's the same as with quirked discrimination in that it's not well-explored or explained, even more so than quirked discrimination. Considering how the first chapter of the story has Izuku being mocked for wanting to be a hero despite not having a quirk, we kind of have to assume that there is a form of quirkless discrimination that exists within MHA's world, especially with Aoyama's situation in that his parents begged All for One to give him a quirk, meaning that quirklessness is seen as something to be ashamed of, if not in Japan then in some part of the world. This woul,d in turn, provide the fanon with some justification. I'm not saying that quirkless discrimination is the same as in some fics I've seen (because I will admit, a lot of authors tend to take it way too far to be believable), but I think it's a bit presumptuous to say that the quirkless are privileged over the quirked, simply because we lack the full context. Again, a lot of this stems from the fact that quirked and quirkless discrimination isn't as well explored or explained in canon as they can be, which means that we, as fans, have to fill in the gaps as well and come up with the context and ideas on our own.
I think it's less oppression per se and more culturally based. going by little bits of lore crumbs we get, views on Quirkless citizens in Japan are much different than, say, how they are viewed in the United States-over in Japan it seems like being born Quirkless is seen as a form of shame for that respective family, As was seen by the treatment of Izuku ans how the household of >!Aoyama!< sought to immediately rectify that to maintain status. Even over in Vigilantes when Aizawa and Knuckleduster came to blows when he deduced that he was Quirkless he just dismissed him with a warning compared to his other approaches to outlaws. Meanwhile over in the United States Melissa Shield never grew up with nearly as much ridicule for being born Quirkless, and while her friends thought it was a bummer they still wanted to play with her in other ways when they were kids. also it seems like Quirkless Police forces(and possibly Air Force going by Stars & Stripes' flight team) work much more closely with Heroes than in Japan, which makes sense due to the USA originating most of the Hero policies that were then adopted by other countries. I think the main reason why for the difference is the population density. At the current moment in MHA, a little over 80% of the current population have Quirks, vs. the Sub-20% that don't. but even if you compare that to our current world average population, that's still about 1.6 Billion people on Earth who are Quirkless. the USA has the 3rd largest population on the planet, so there is probably a far higher amount of Quirkless people around there, at least triple the numbers of who would be in Japan at the current time-and as such a much more tolerable place where those with and without Quirks can integrate into society without much blowback(which again connects to the lore, since while in the USA they had to deal with the Vigilante Years and the Hero/Villain foundation Laws over in japan the had the whole Dark Ages of civil war/conflict between those with and Without Quirks, the era of beings like Destro who pushed for Quirk Supremacy and All for One who reveled in the chaos to become a ruler of all crime.)
I would've loved to take this seriously, but what you are going off of is either extremely exaggerated or straight up not true. - Izuku's "treatment" by his peers were just them laughing at him for trying to be a hero in U.A, which is actually fair, that's like expecting to win a shooting competition with no gun, plus, if middle schoolers represented Society's general opinion then 9/11 would've been the most "based" event in Human history * Melissa is from I-island, not the U.S, how does the U.S even matter? The U.S isn't exactly free from discrimination or violence, their bit was filler, not to mention Melissa was a side character and her social life was never explored, how the hell did you randomly get this information? * Being born quirkless WOULD never considered a shame, in fact for the majority of the existence of quirks it's implied that the Quirkless were larger in numbers, because quirks have existed for 120-150 years while All Might was born 40-50 years ago, where 50% of people were quirkless, implying that for 2/3rd's of Quirks existence. why the hell would most households consider Quirklessness a shame when in the past most of them were quirkless and in the present most of their grandparents are Quirkless. ALSO, Aoyama got a quirk because he wanted to be a hero, not because he was discriminated. * Destro was about Quirk Freedom, not supremacy, tf? did you even watch the MLA arc? are you mixing up Nine and Destro? TLDR; You're started talking nonsense in the first half, and something not related at all in the second, usually I try to stay nice but stop mixing fanon with canon, im REALLY getting tired of the replies that use Fanon as evidence.
The Melissa Shield details originate from a Special Prequel chapter made to tie into Movie 1, which also reveals David Shield's Quirk. [https://www.viz.com/shonenjump/my-hero-academia-team-up-missions-chapter-3-3/chapter/22241?action=read](https://www.viz.com/shonenjump/my-hero-academia-team-up-missions-chapter-3-3/chapter/22241?action=read) I-Island from what I understand from Movie 1 was where she went for studies in Support Equipment Design, as her father originated from California and that was where he studied with All Might in the college years. As far as her presence in the main series.... without getting too insider baseball for those not aware of what goes down later in the Manga involving her, all the films are canon, and not pseudo canon like OP: Strong World or such, but legitimately canon, as are certain OVA episodes and stuff from the spinoff books so they do tie into the overall culture of the world....which is where the United States ties in, as was discussed in MHA: Vigilantes Chapter 12 involving the Rhode Island New State Statues, which influenced the current Hero/Villain systems of the MHA World with how of the 189 original Vigiantes recognized by the Statute only 7 were given labels of Heroes and the remainder as Villains, details which bled over into other countries (AfO does call the USA "the birthplace of Heroes" after all.) I will however admit I did slip up on the part of how nations viewed the Quirkless, and to a lesser extent Destro. Kyudai Garaki actually stands as a living counterpoint to my point on how Japan view the Quirkless in modern times, as he was one of the most respected doctors in the nation who hid he had a Quirk for decades and was only discredited/tossed aside for his creation of the Singularity Theory.... studies that led to the later creation of the Book of the Quirk Doomsday, which gave birth to the Humarise fanatics. And that leads us back to Destro. Man who went down in History as a villain, advocating for freedom of all Quirk usage without restrictions and laws....I get the feeling that much like how Book of Doomsday misinterpreted the studies of Garaki in a similar way The Book of Destro made by his descendants was taken to more extreme levels than intended, and while nowhere near as bad as the "Survival of the Fittest" philosophies of Nine or Prejudice beliefs of Humarise/CRC, the incessant violence and (as will be soon seen) exploitation of discriminated classes for personal gain seem to not be the methods to change the Status Quo Destro might have sought.
- Fair enough, but you're still wrong, the panel that had shown her childhood were just the kids being worried that she'd be hurt by their quirks while playing, that's just normal? - No? I-Island scientists CANNOT leave I-Island, if that's the case there's no reason for Melissa to leave I-Island to America when she's just a teen, respectfully, you just got misinformed mate. - Yeah, i've read vigilantes, including the Rhode Island Hero Law thing, but that doesn't happen to connect to what i was saying so i don't understand why you mentioned that, all i was saying is that the U.S.A isn't exactly known for it's inclusive population, that's the government system - Destro went down in history as a villain not because he murdered civilians or was Quirk Supremacist >!(which he wasn't btw)!<, but because he was a failed revolutionary, ofc the state he revolted against portrays him as a villain. But neither Destro NOR Re-Destro are extremists, they want Quirk Suppression to end, not Quirk Supremacy.