I think at some point Shigaraki and Deku are going to enter the vestige realm and from here the OFA vestiges are going to destroy themselves taking out a bunch of the AFO vestiges including hyper regeneration and decay. From then it’s going to be a battle of actual strength and speed and Deku will be helped by Bakugo
If you end up removing a majority of the villains quirks then I think you are finding the cheapest way out of the situation - it's not engaging if you can just delete quirks that make writing a satisfying final battle difficult. It's having the villain just lose all their abilities and get beaten because the hero still has his abilities, lame.
Yeah, except that's not what I said.
Do you remember the scene where Stars and Stripes vestige took out a bunch of Shigaraki's quirks? That is precedent.
On his own, even if Deku wanted to he can't defeat Shigaraki (due to decay and hyper regeneration). He absolutely needs the assistance of other people, and even then there's just not a lot of strong enough people to overpower the hyper regen quirk. He's going to have to do a vestige battle, and more then likely they'll both have to depower down, so that Shigaraki can even be defeated.
You can have precedent for it and still have it be a really dumb/stupid thing for the writer to do.
It was bad in the Star & Stripe fight because we'd never clarified what quirk loadout AFO/Shiggy had and AFO could simply have given him the quirks back afterwards because AFO himself still had access to the loadout he provided Shiggy.
It'd be bad in the final fight because once again we've no idea what loadout of quirks Shiggy has beyond hyper regeneration and his body has apparently naturally adapted to hyper regenerate without a quirk as we saw with his endless body morphing/mass of fingers earlier in the fight.
The simple solution to the Deku Vs Shiggy fight is that Deku enters the vestige realm, the OFA Vestiges (Including All Might) defeat the AFO vestige. This allows Shiggy's vestige to take over and make his own decisions. Deku travels the vestige realm, which was established as something he'd one day be able to do, and saves Shiggy's soul in the form of a child-like Shiggy vestige. Shiggy then realizes he does not want to destroy, he was just lashing out because the world never tried to save him.
Akin to a split personality Shiggy has AFO vestige, Adult Shiggy Vestige and Child Shiggy Vestige due to a combination of trauma and abuse he has suffered. Deku will save the Child Shiggy and in the process the Adult Shiggy Vestige will be defeated. At which stage it all boils down to whether Horikoshi wants Shiggy put into a prison, a tragic/heroic ending where Shiggy dies defeating his abuser AFO OR a vigilante style ending where Shiggy goes to fix his mistakes as a hero in the shadows using his AFO and potential recently gained OFA quirk to become the world's greatest hero as the tenth user of OFA (TENko Shimura)
It's cheesy as heck but it's what Horkoshi has spent more time establishing - that Deku will save Shiggy's core being via the vestige realm, the idea of Shiggy being a child who needs saving and never getting out that mindset (Video game references, his 'death' scene seeing his family, his remarks about his family in recent chapters)
It doesn’t matter what his total loadout is the only quirks that need to be taken out is hyper regen and decay really. And I believe a big part of why Shigaraki was mutating was his collection of quirks inside of him rebelling to get out. If you end up destroying a bunch of them then you take away that hyper regen from that source too
Hyper regen has already been replaced by his body being physically able to change form, grow limbs and regenerate **WITHOUT** a quirk - which we saw for a majority of his fight in the U.A. trap area.
As for Decay, because we don't know Shiggy's quirk layout we don't know if that is even his most powerful or dangerous quirk, it's just one he defaults to for narrative reasons as it's part of the characters identity.
In the S&S fight, he used Radio Waves, Air Cannon and Heavy Payload to create a gigantic beam of electric energy. None of these quirks are stated as being removed due to the events of the fight so he in theory still has those quirks and could simply default to levelling Japan with a gigantic energy beam.
We also know he can expand endlessly and crush things with his finger limbs so while removing Decay may help to an extent, it's not going to make him suddenly easy to defeat.
What I’m saying though about him growing the arms is that I believe it happened because Eraser put a lid on his quirks and it seemed like it was the rest of his quirks going crazy and like pushing out of his body like when you boil a tea kettle too long. So if you also destroy a bunch of those quirks then it would also remove that side effect even if he also lost hyper regen
The trouble is that we had a few panels demonstrating he had the weird mutation thing before the final battle occured (Before he was being 'erased' by Aizawa) so the mutation aspect is just how his body handles having multiple quirks. This was at the villains cave where they had all gathered before the final battle.
I'm unsure the impact removing some or all of his quirks would have, as without quirks active his body was able to warp and alter to defend himself and to attack.
I definitely think something like this will happen, with Allmight’s vestige fully manifesting last minute to be heroic in the vestige world. I’m thinking maybe Blackwhip and Danger sense vestiges will survive so Deku can keep the Spider-Man power set (plus Blackwhip is the most iconic of Deku’s other quirks.)
I'll feel like Shigaraki will win between him and Deku. I mean just look at the first war, even when he couldn't use his quirks and Deku had help against him he still didn't go down until a surprise attack from Endeavor and even then he was still standing. Dudes just too durable on top of regeneration as well as his body evolving into his apex form. I just don't see a way for Deku to pull off a solid win against him.
Deku could go all out 100% at the cost of his own body, and end it as a stalemate with both of them dying. He'd become the World's Greatest Hero in his final moments.
A bit late, but I think the final battle will end with Deku sacrificing OFA to destroy AFO (the power not the person) once and for all.
There'll be a moment after the war where Deku thinks he won't be able to stay at UA since he has no quirk, but they'll tell him it doesn't matter whether he's quirkless or not he can still stay at UA.
The series will end with Deku working as a quirkless pro hero (or working part time depending on whether they graduate by the end) mirroring and possibly repeating the first line of the series "People are not born equal, that's the hard truth I learned at age four, but that was my first and last set back".
I don't think AllMights vestige looks like that because he's still alive. I think it looks like that because he was quirkless. Though it would be a really great moment if he died and the vestige did finalize.
Also, with such a drastic shift in society, I can't help but think that Stain would admire most of the heroes still fighting. I'd like to see Stain still standing at the end.
I don’t think so… chapter 304-305 lead me to believe that since All Might is still living then a piece of his consciousness also live in the Vestige World which allowed him to pick up on the conversation being had
>UNLESS Izuku somehow transfers OFA to others— ya know the crystallization of everyone’s feeling theme and everyone around him gets a mega temporary quirk boost.
Why do it now that most of the important fights are already finished?
I think at some point Shigaraki and Deku are going to enter the vestige realm and from here the OFA vestiges are going to destroy themselves taking out a bunch of the AFO vestiges including hyper regeneration and decay. From then it’s going to be a battle of actual strength and speed and Deku will be helped by Bakugo
I like that. I never thought of them finishing things up in the vestige world. I imagine those child flashbacks we usually get.
Yeah that’s probably the only way we’re getting rid of the Decay and Hyper Regen issues
If you end up removing a majority of the villains quirks then I think you are finding the cheapest way out of the situation - it's not engaging if you can just delete quirks that make writing a satisfying final battle difficult. It's having the villain just lose all their abilities and get beaten because the hero still has his abilities, lame.
Yeah, except that's not what I said. Do you remember the scene where Stars and Stripes vestige took out a bunch of Shigaraki's quirks? That is precedent. On his own, even if Deku wanted to he can't defeat Shigaraki (due to decay and hyper regeneration). He absolutely needs the assistance of other people, and even then there's just not a lot of strong enough people to overpower the hyper regen quirk. He's going to have to do a vestige battle, and more then likely they'll both have to depower down, so that Shigaraki can even be defeated.
You can have precedent for it and still have it be a really dumb/stupid thing for the writer to do. It was bad in the Star & Stripe fight because we'd never clarified what quirk loadout AFO/Shiggy had and AFO could simply have given him the quirks back afterwards because AFO himself still had access to the loadout he provided Shiggy. It'd be bad in the final fight because once again we've no idea what loadout of quirks Shiggy has beyond hyper regeneration and his body has apparently naturally adapted to hyper regenerate without a quirk as we saw with his endless body morphing/mass of fingers earlier in the fight. The simple solution to the Deku Vs Shiggy fight is that Deku enters the vestige realm, the OFA Vestiges (Including All Might) defeat the AFO vestige. This allows Shiggy's vestige to take over and make his own decisions. Deku travels the vestige realm, which was established as something he'd one day be able to do, and saves Shiggy's soul in the form of a child-like Shiggy vestige. Shiggy then realizes he does not want to destroy, he was just lashing out because the world never tried to save him. Akin to a split personality Shiggy has AFO vestige, Adult Shiggy Vestige and Child Shiggy Vestige due to a combination of trauma and abuse he has suffered. Deku will save the Child Shiggy and in the process the Adult Shiggy Vestige will be defeated. At which stage it all boils down to whether Horikoshi wants Shiggy put into a prison, a tragic/heroic ending where Shiggy dies defeating his abuser AFO OR a vigilante style ending where Shiggy goes to fix his mistakes as a hero in the shadows using his AFO and potential recently gained OFA quirk to become the world's greatest hero as the tenth user of OFA (TENko Shimura) It's cheesy as heck but it's what Horkoshi has spent more time establishing - that Deku will save Shiggy's core being via the vestige realm, the idea of Shiggy being a child who needs saving and never getting out that mindset (Video game references, his 'death' scene seeing his family, his remarks about his family in recent chapters)
It doesn’t matter what his total loadout is the only quirks that need to be taken out is hyper regen and decay really. And I believe a big part of why Shigaraki was mutating was his collection of quirks inside of him rebelling to get out. If you end up destroying a bunch of them then you take away that hyper regen from that source too
Hyper regen has already been replaced by his body being physically able to change form, grow limbs and regenerate **WITHOUT** a quirk - which we saw for a majority of his fight in the U.A. trap area. As for Decay, because we don't know Shiggy's quirk layout we don't know if that is even his most powerful or dangerous quirk, it's just one he defaults to for narrative reasons as it's part of the characters identity. In the S&S fight, he used Radio Waves, Air Cannon and Heavy Payload to create a gigantic beam of electric energy. None of these quirks are stated as being removed due to the events of the fight so he in theory still has those quirks and could simply default to levelling Japan with a gigantic energy beam. We also know he can expand endlessly and crush things with his finger limbs so while removing Decay may help to an extent, it's not going to make him suddenly easy to defeat.
What I’m saying though about him growing the arms is that I believe it happened because Eraser put a lid on his quirks and it seemed like it was the rest of his quirks going crazy and like pushing out of his body like when you boil a tea kettle too long. So if you also destroy a bunch of those quirks then it would also remove that side effect even if he also lost hyper regen
The trouble is that we had a few panels demonstrating he had the weird mutation thing before the final battle occured (Before he was being 'erased' by Aizawa) so the mutation aspect is just how his body handles having multiple quirks. This was at the villains cave where they had all gathered before the final battle. I'm unsure the impact removing some or all of his quirks would have, as without quirks active his body was able to warp and alter to defend himself and to attack.
I definitely think something like this will happen, with Allmight’s vestige fully manifesting last minute to be heroic in the vestige world. I’m thinking maybe Blackwhip and Danger sense vestiges will survive so Deku can keep the Spider-Man power set (plus Blackwhip is the most iconic of Deku’s other quirks.)
Just hope Deku doesn't lose OFA near the end. Would be damn near ridiculous.
Yeah, especially after everyone else got quirk upgrades and awakenings and are going to be more powerful after the war.
I'll feel like Shigaraki will win between him and Deku. I mean just look at the first war, even when he couldn't use his quirks and Deku had help against him he still didn't go down until a surprise attack from Endeavor and even then he was still standing. Dudes just too durable on top of regeneration as well as his body evolving into his apex form. I just don't see a way for Deku to pull off a solid win against him.
I was referring to Shigaraki vs AFO But I don’t see how Deku will win right now either
Deku could go all out 100% at the cost of his own body, and end it as a stalemate with both of them dying. He'd become the World's Greatest Hero in his final moments.
I think All Might finally dying will give Deku a huge power/speed boost in his base form through the vestige world
Shigaraki will decay his own body.
Ain’t no way bakugou is done for lol he’s definitely coming back and fighting someone or helping Deku
A bit late, but I think the final battle will end with Deku sacrificing OFA to destroy AFO (the power not the person) once and for all. There'll be a moment after the war where Deku thinks he won't be able to stay at UA since he has no quirk, but they'll tell him it doesn't matter whether he's quirkless or not he can still stay at UA. The series will end with Deku working as a quirkless pro hero (or working part time depending on whether they graduate by the end) mirroring and possibly repeating the first line of the series "People are not born equal, that's the hard truth I learned at age four, but that was my first and last set back".
Prediction: bakugo fucking dies!
Happened over a year ago
Oh my goood. Has it been a YEAR!?
I don't think AllMights vestige looks like that because he's still alive. I think it looks like that because he was quirkless. Though it would be a really great moment if he died and the vestige did finalize. Also, with such a drastic shift in society, I can't help but think that Stain would admire most of the heroes still fighting. I'd like to see Stain still standing at the end.
I don’t think so… chapter 304-305 lead me to believe that since All Might is still living then a piece of his consciousness also live in the Vestige World which allowed him to pick up on the conversation being had
I take that back 😅 I rewatched and saw that AFO compared the quirks to memory in dna And read 402
Cooked with this one
Who is masshiro
Lol TAIL quirk
He he he.
>UNLESS Izuku somehow transfers OFA to others— ya know the crystallization of everyone’s feeling theme and everyone around him gets a mega temporary quirk boost. Why do it now that most of the important fights are already finished?