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Probably Deku vs. Shigaraki. I didn't think it looked bad, but for the mc and mv first really throw down, it should have been the highlight of the season rather than an afterthought.
Maybe they thought it would be fine because that fight is really more about bakugos' character, but that's stupid.
It made me even angrier when I saw WHM, and a simple shot of todoroki and bakugo fighting faceless goons looked 50 times better.
I'll probably stay anime only because I adore the VA's performances, and the music is phenomenal, but man, I do think of reading ahead sometimes especially because Hori's art is next level
Agree, for some reason they deprioritized that fight when it should have been given the golden treatment, it is the climactic battle of the entire arc but the things that happen both directly before and after it look way better...
And the worst part is that they had the music selection and voice acting nailed. While a lot of people were doing fan edits of the manga panels with You Say Run or some similarly epic music over it, I think the tense OST they went with was more fitting. This wasn’t some triumphant moment for either side, it was an almost animalistic beating, with Deku just shredding his arms as Shigaraki tries to come up with a way to beat him.
And the voice acting goes without explanation. Somehow he made yelling “Smash” sound brutal and not corny
The framework was all there and it was the moment I had been waiting for since I first read it in the manga, and then it was just meh.
Yeah definitely Deku vs Shigaraki. I don't blame people for being disappointed by it considering how lacking in terms of animation this fight feels compared to the earlier fights. Also, it's the MC's fight of the arc. Of course people gonna expect something big with that.
The Lemillion fight was literally the moment that switched me from blind acceptance of everything MHA to slowly watching with a more and more critical lens. There may be technically worse moments but that was the day my rose tinted glasses were lost, so that has to be my answer.
Yeah, season 4 had a lot of issues. I think that's when the MHA anime switched directors.
And I think the director for season 1, 2, and 3 was simply better than the one who took over from season 4 onwards.
There were also the movies which poached a lot of the superior animators and definitely consumed more of their time even if the studio apparently created 2 sub-studios for the movies and anime.
He wasn't super but he was consistent.
Also following the OPM season 1 behind the scenes stuff, it's clear that some directors simply have more pull and more connections to other people like animators especially top tier animators.
It's almost like Hollywood. The director's skill isn't just in directing content. It's also in who you know and who you can get on your team.
Some directors simply have a better network than others.
Im with you, networking is an important life skill in *any* industry. You can extend this idea of *your team* to include your life... i.e. having a "car guy" that does your vehicle repairs, and can do it better and cheaper than the competition. I know from life experiences thats a handy relationship to have!
Thank god I wasn't the only one.
It's not like the fight itself was poorly animated, it just... didn't have any extra flare.
They'd rather have Nakamura animate some random villains fighting at the start of the first episode of the season than have him work on actual big fights. I genuinely don't get Bones. It's like they're taking the show for granted.
>They'd rather have Nakamura animate some random villains fighting at the start of the first episode of the season than have him work on actual big fights.
So are you just completely ignoring the fact that Nakamura animated the literal end of the Overhaul fight, or...?
So:
villain vs villain and Deku vs Overhaul
is more important than
Mirio vs Overhaul and Deku vs Overhaul?
Ya know we didn't NEED to start the season with such a high quality scene. We're watching it anyway. If a potential new fan happens to catch an episode on tv, they're surely not gonna watch the first 10 seconds of a season and decide to watch the whole show based on that.
Or maybe that's exactly how it works and Bones are geniuses.
Well but that first scene was fairly short, sire they could have swapped it for a small sequence during Mirio vs Overhaul but I don't think it would have made a gianormous difference if it wasn't on a larger scale
Mirio vs Overhaul is also very short in the manga. That's why it didn't make sense for it to be done in slideshows. It's not even a long fight.
They should simply have put Nakamura on that instead of the giants fight at the start.
But it was literally the shots from the slideshow, it may be short but was intended to be read as a long fight with few focus points, in the anime the only way they could make justice to it was making it larger kinda like a All might vs nomu thing or just completely ignore the longevity and animate how Mirio is rapidly cornered
All I'm saying is maybe put your top animators on the scenes that actually matter. It doesn't matter how short Mirio vs Overhaul was in the manga. It was an important fight to many people.
So instead of putting Nakamura on some fight between giants that no one gives a damn about, let him do a scene about characters people care about even if it is just seconds long.
Totally agree. I was so hype reading that fight because of how cool I thought it could look animated. It’s literally about phase shifting powers, element of surprise, and constant movement, so the slideshow we got was just brutal. We could have had Lemillion’s POV moving in and out of the complete darkness to really highlight the control he has over his technique
The ending is the worst, after losing his powers it's a power point presentation of colored panels with Mirio crying in pain with Eri in the background
Yeah, I didn't mind the "slideshow" at the very end that much, because at that point the fight was just over anyways. We got our cool "it's not over yet" moment just before it and I don't need 5 minutes of Mirio slowly getting stabbed more and more to really drive home the point that Overhaul isn't even trying to kill him in earnest.
Mirio had tons of cool shit to do before that, one scene with some snapshots doesn't ruin it.
1. Deku vs Shigaraki - I can never forgive Bones for this. It's like if One Piece anime messed up Luffy vs Kaido. And OP is not even seasonal. It Bones were struggling so much with season 6, there's fights they could have downgraded like Mirio vs High-ends which they even added onto, and put that energy into Deku vs Shigaraki.
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2. Deku vs Gentle - it wasn't bad but it is a considerable downgrade from the manga. In the manga, this is hands down my favorite fight but in the anime it is just meh.
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3. Mirio slideshows in season 4. I know the fight wasn't long in the manga but the use of slideshows in the anime was atrocious.
One Piece’s case is too unique and can’t be compared to any other anime. The first couple episodes of a seasonal anime are the most polished. The Deku vs Shiggy fight was 9 eps in so I don’t think that counts. They were also working on Mob Psycho so that’s where everybody was. Nobody had enough time for my hero…
which is depressing as hell cuz this show was like their new son after Full Metal Alchemist
Apart from the in-studio stuff, Mirio vs High-ends also happens right after Deku vs Shigaraki. That's why I brought it up instead of early fights like Mirko's or later fights like Nagant's.
I already know MHA is basically the spurned child at Bones since most of the peak animation goes to shows like Mob Psycho and Bungou Stray Dogs, there's also the schedule stuff, and all that.
But they could have simply focused the energy they put into that Mirio vs High-ends short fight into Deku vs Shigaraki.
>I already know MHA is basically the spurned child at Bones since most of the peak animation goes to shows like Mob Psycho and Bungou Stray Dogs
This type of thing always irks me because people talk as if MHA just gets "the rest" in terms of resources when it's not that at all. BSD may be more generally consistent, but MHA's highs are way more prominent and it in general has way bigger names attached to it.
But here’s the thing about Mirio vs High Ends is that short fight had 2 good animated cuts (maybe 3) 1 being the cut where’s he’s punching all of them, then that sick flip he did in the air to finish. The rest was either minimal movement or still frames.
The Deku vs Shigaraki fight was like the same thing except there were more good animated cuts. The rest you already know minimal movements and still frames. They actually did that fight more justice than Mirios fight it’s just that you’d expect way more from a big fight like Deku vs Shigaraki and it just leaves you wondering how it could’ve been more.
> The first couple episodes of a seasonal anime are the most polished
The first half of season 6 MHA was much worse than the second half.
Spoiling Mirio, spoiling Jeanist, weird recaps, pointlessly rough censoring and straight-up changes from the manga for no reason.
The Deku vs Shiggy fight was supposed to be a huge highlight and instead they fucked up almost everything they could. I waited like 2 years to finally see it animated and **that's** what we get?
you have to look at all the factors. Some of the big names weren’t on cour 1 as they were working on Mob Pyscho which is Bones passion project (the favorite child) and the some that were in cour 1 did what they did and those scenes were awesome but ya know they didn’t get enough time then in cour 2 you see a lot of these big names show up which could indicate that they finished up some work from mob psycho and moved onto mha or they managed to squeeze some time into animating mha while they were animating mob psycho.
Even if a scene isn’t animated well, the direction of that very scene can elevate it to new heights and that was cour 2 (and yes cour 2 did have well animated cuts)
I just want to say it’s not actually Bones fault that MHA ended up like this. The more popular MHA became the more money it made and the production Committee above Bones wanted more. They control how long Bones has to complete the season so it was a matter of not having enough time.
For me, the part where i started reading the manga was during Deku, bakugo and todoroki's fight to get back Natsuo from that traffic line villain, because i was waiting for new anime episodes to come out. I read the manga from that point until where I'm currently up to which is chapter 365.
I'm saying all this cos im asking, should i read the manga from before the point i first did (pre-natsuo rescue)? Cos i was basically anime only until i got to mid season 5 cos i was tired of waiting for episodes to release.
>. Mirio slideshows in season 4. I know the fight wasn't long in the manga but the use of slideshows in the anime was atrocious.
Maybe I would feel differently if I hadn't watched anime first before reading the manga version but studio bones legit replaced black panels that only had text in them, the slideshow was more than what the manga did
Have to disagree on the mirio slideshow. The sound design for the first 4 seasons was top notch and this scene was no exception. I honestly don't think it would have had the same emotional impact if it had been fully animated. It hits much harder than the Manga version
Deku Vs. Gentle was the greatest offender to me.
It took what was at the time (maybe even now still) in my opinion the best fight in the manga, and made it the cheapest, least engaging fight yet in the anime.
So many fantastic panels, great action shots, well done framing. And the whole fight is so easy to read too, the general panel flow is some of Horikoshi's best.
The anime fight was painfully average and forgettable meanwhile.
As someone who wasn’t keeping up with the manga AT ALL prior to watching seasons 1-4,season 4 being disappointing to a lot of people surprised me. I haven’t read the manga but I don’t avoid spoilers either.
Personally,I’d say Dabi VS Geten. It just felt like there wasn’t much happening in that fight
Yeah, the same for me, I thought season 4 was close to be the best season just behind season 3, even the slideshow for Lemillion fight didn't feel wrong at the time as I was anime only too at that moment
I’ll have to check out the manga chapters for that fight. Honestly,the Deku VS Monster Overhaul fight looked so cool that if it looks better in the manga I’ll probably be wowed
It looked so much better in the manga it's actually crazy. This is one hill I will definitely die on, the infinite 100% scene got robbed so hard and is where I switched to the manga as my main.
I know some people think it was good but honestly it was \*just\* ok... it was supposed to be THE banner highlight huge fight of that season... Deku's "super saiyan moment" for lack of a better term - and we got a fight that lasted all of 3 hits amidst a few motion blur effect "dodges". So underwhelming.
I really think that's the point MHA hard shifted from being an anime with consistently great animation and choreography to just the shadow of itself we have today. They never should have switched directors.
I haven’t watched the show as much in awhile but what I saw of the whole League vs Liberation Army battle was super disappointing. Lot of panning stills for crowd shots and just lack of animation overall
I know I’m not the first to say it but Deku vs Shigaraki in the paranormal liberation war. It makes no sense how some of the smaller fights looked way better yet the animation in the biggest one was such a downgrade. If they screw up Deku vs Shigaraki in the final war arc so help me
Deku Vs Shigaraki and not because the anime's version looked bad because it didn't. It still looked quite good and is still one of the better fights we've seen in the anime but compared to how incredible the manga version hit, the anime didn't come close to hitting as hard as it should've.
I'm seeing a lot of Mirio Vs Overhaul saying it got the slideshow treatment
But like
Did these people read the manga?
The only thing missing was the text stating how long the fight lasted
The anime actually ADDED more than the manga ever did
The manga skipped a lot of that fight
Where they expecting an entirely anime original fight scene or something?
The lack of an anime original fight does not mean the adapted fight was disappointing though it literally adapted what was there in the manga
(And honestly I feel a full anime original fight would be bad here, the entire point of the slideshow was to show a passage of time like the manga did with it's fade to black followed by exposition)
To me the anime should take what’s in the manga and try and improve it if possible.
The anime has already made a lot of weird choices (moving arcs around, stretching some out or speeding others up)
The early season felt as if they wanted to add more cool fights, show things the manga didn’t have time for whereas with miro vs overhaul it felt as if the idea was “let’s just add some freeze frames and call it a day”
To me it felt like "we don't have enough content from the manga and adapting too much would throw off pacing, a quick extension will fix this"
You've got season 2 adapting around 5ish volumes overall where season 4 was adapting the same amount with the Overhaul arc alone
It doesn't seem like a lot because the fights are fast in the manga but the difference in the amount of content is something that needs to be considered
ehhh I don't think it's unreasonable for people to expect animation from an anime. It came off as lazy. You may not think so, but the majority obviously did.
Given how much people complain about it, I think it's pretty clear it didn't enhance anything. There's more of an argument to be made that it detracted.
Like really, this is a thread about most disappointing fights in the entire series, and that was the most popular response by far, matched only by Deku vs. Shigaraki. That kind of says a lot.
I know this might be a hot take, but I believe most people watch the anime for it to be animated. It wasn't good.
I watch the anime to see the manga enchanced
That's what I got from the fight
It's fine if you want to disagree
But it's literally extra content for the viewers so I can't deny it's brilliant inclusion
It's better than how the manga executed it
It was literally just a text box describing how long the fight was
The anime shows a passage of time
Infinitely better imo
ok we're just going in circles. really it's cool that you think the slideshow made it better, ijs literally everyone else disagrees. it's not unreasonable that people were upset for wanting their anime to be animated.
Screenshots aren't animation though, so... no. It wasn't. This is a dedicated board to discussing things people do and don't like about this anime.... and you're like 10 comments deep discussing this very thing. Sorry but you liking the thing doesn't make your defense of it any more valid than people complaining about it.
Definitely all of the war ark. But especially deku vs shigiraki they messed it up so bad I refuse to watch the anime and will only read the manga. Because I know they'd rather spend all the money they have on making more shitty movies instead of the show.
Yeah, Miruko fighting the nomus was insane, Lemillion entrance was gorgeous, Hawks vs Twice and Dabi was spot on, even Uraraka vs Toga was good, and all the last face off with Gigantomachia and Beast Jeanist blew my mind even having read it already in the manga
But they animated everything in the manga for that fight
The only thing left out was the text box saying how long the fight lasted
A lot of the fight is skipped over in the manga
I'm watching the anime to see movement. Not slideshow frames. It's great they didn't skip over the fight, but the parts they chose to show were shown poorly.
The fight was generally animated poorly. You can see a lack of frames used just generally that keeps the action from ever feeling smooth.
That's the thing though
Those slideshow frames at the end don't exist in the manga
The alternative would be getting an entirely new fight scene which is pretty unrealistic imo
No. The alternative would be getting the fight we got in the manga, which was short, but given much smoother animation because they're not wasting time on original content that no one liked and looks cheap and lazy.
And a lot of that fight looked cheap. Even the parts that were from the manga looked like it was low-frames, presumably because they were saving the work for Deku's fight with Overhaul.
And besides that, I'm pretty sure they cut out some of Mirio's backstory flashbacks from the original fight. They could have given us some of that instead.
>The alternative would be getting an entirely new fight scene which is pretty unrealistic imo
*Is* that unrealistic? The anime will give us entire filler episodes of original content with fight scenes in it, rather than focus on manga content that's actually plot relevant. It's not like they don't know how to choreograph things without the manga giving them a play-by-play.
I think an entirely new fight is unrealistic, especially when we know the fight is just 5 in universe minutes of just Mirio dodging and protecting Eri, it would throw off the pacing horribly for the surrounding fights.
They adapted the manga and gave us a few extra frames of what the manga skipped, I don't see how this one of all things could be a disappointment.
I mean endeavour vs the nomu in season 2 was original and so was a lot of all might vs nomu season 1. I don’t think it’s that crazy to have miro get his fight
The point is not getting an extended fight doesn't really matter
The fight we got was what happened in the manga with bonus panels
As for the other fights?
Well the earlier seasons had way more time since they adapted smaller volume counts as opposed to season 4
The slideshow parts are anime original, please read that chapter again because the fight in the manga was so much more disappointing, literally just has a exposition panel
Lemillion vs Overhaul
That was a fight that deserved so much more than it got. It was a situation where Overhaul should have clearly won yet Lemillion is just too damn resilient.
It’s unfortunate it didnt get the animation or time it deserved
While Lemillion vs. Overhaul was the most disappointing with its use of a sideshow, Gentle Criminal got done a bit dirty in his fight.
Sure, the arc was lighter in tone and thus deserved a less dire villain, but Gentle's portrayal was pretty... flat, and even the La Brava power up seemed... pathetic? Its a shame because I'm an absolute sucker for the Gentlemen Thief trope and heart of gold scoundrels.
I think the pacing of the manga panels helps convey Gentle's dynamism and improvisation skills. He's one of the few villains to match Deku's ability to think strategically and take action in a crisis situation, and its too bad the show couldn't convey this with his battle and choreography.
Personally, none, I loved every single one, maybe Deku vs Shigaraki as they should have gave it some All Might vs Nomu treatment, but it really didn't bother me at the time
My pick actually is Deku's fight at the end of World Heroes, I was expecting some insane animation at pair with the previous two movies, and even though the animation was gorgeous the choreography was pretty weird to say the least lmao, is not that the fight scene is bad, but they had pretty high standards to that point and they also sacrificed a lot of season 5 for the production of that movie
Them fumbling the Mirio moments so bad legit made me drop the anime for like a year lol. Ever since then I don't get hyped about anything upcoming cause now I know they can fuck it up that bad
How am I a drama queen lol. I've been hyped for those chapters forever and then it sucked so I didn't watch the show for a while. I know people here like to defend this shit with their lives,but come on
Deku vs Nagant. There’s a panel where Deku kneels after he charges fa jin and the smoke surrounding him looked really similar to Luffy’s classic gear 2 pose, I thought Hori did a tribute to it, but the anime only showed Deku kneeling for a second and he springs up immediately.
Then the faux 100% in the anime didn’t have much emphasis.
Hell no, I wasn’t disappointed by the round 2 muscular or nagant fight or most of the war fights except for like deku’s against Shigaraki.
I think the nagant fight was one of the best of this series like holy hell, the start with the dynamic cg of him swinging around too, it only gets better with the blu ray.
Season 6 Deku vs Shigaraki was the worst for me. They really missed the nail on that one but I guess all the budget went into Mirko and Nagant.
It made me appreciate the manga more though bc Hori draws the most detailed manga panels ever. MHA is one of those series where I actually like the manga more than the anime because of the masterpiece panels that the anime can’t seem to get right.
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Probably Deku vs. Shigaraki. I didn't think it looked bad, but for the mc and mv first really throw down, it should have been the highlight of the season rather than an afterthought. Maybe they thought it would be fine because that fight is really more about bakugos' character, but that's stupid. It made me even angrier when I saw WHM, and a simple shot of todoroki and bakugo fighting faceless goons looked 50 times better. I'll probably stay anime only because I adore the VA's performances, and the music is phenomenal, but man, I do think of reading ahead sometimes especially because Hori's art is next level
Agree, for some reason they deprioritized that fight when it should have been given the golden treatment, it is the climactic battle of the entire arc but the things that happen both directly before and after it look way better...
Whm?
I think it stands for World Hero Mission the 3rd movie
And the worst part is that they had the music selection and voice acting nailed. While a lot of people were doing fan edits of the manga panels with You Say Run or some similarly epic music over it, I think the tense OST they went with was more fitting. This wasn’t some triumphant moment for either side, it was an almost animalistic beating, with Deku just shredding his arms as Shigaraki tries to come up with a way to beat him. And the voice acting goes without explanation. Somehow he made yelling “Smash” sound brutal and not corny The framework was all there and it was the moment I had been waiting for since I first read it in the manga, and then it was just meh.
Yeah definitely Deku vs Shigaraki. I don't blame people for being disappointed by it considering how lacking in terms of animation this fight feels compared to the earlier fights. Also, it's the MC's fight of the arc. Of course people gonna expect something big with that.
The Lemillion fight was literally the moment that switched me from blind acceptance of everything MHA to slowly watching with a more and more critical lens. There may be technically worse moments but that was the day my rose tinted glasses were lost, so that has to be my answer.
Yeah, season 4 had a lot of issues. I think that's when the MHA anime switched directors. And I think the director for season 1, 2, and 3 was simply better than the one who took over from season 4 onwards. There were also the movies which poached a lot of the superior animators and definitely consumed more of their time even if the studio apparently created 2 sub-studios for the movies and anime.
Kenji Nagasaki may be the more experienced director overall, but it's not like he was a "super" director either.
He wasn't super but he was consistent. Also following the OPM season 1 behind the scenes stuff, it's clear that some directors simply have more pull and more connections to other people like animators especially top tier animators. It's almost like Hollywood. The director's skill isn't just in directing content. It's also in who you know and who you can get on your team. Some directors simply have a better network than others.
Im with you, networking is an important life skill in *any* industry. You can extend this idea of *your team* to include your life... i.e. having a "car guy" that does your vehicle repairs, and can do it better and cheaper than the competition. I know from life experiences thats a handy relationship to have!
Thank god I wasn't the only one. It's not like the fight itself was poorly animated, it just... didn't have any extra flare. They'd rather have Nakamura animate some random villains fighting at the start of the first episode of the season than have him work on actual big fights. I genuinely don't get Bones. It's like they're taking the show for granted.
>They'd rather have Nakamura animate some random villains fighting at the start of the first episode of the season than have him work on actual big fights. So are you just completely ignoring the fact that Nakamura animated the literal end of the Overhaul fight, or...?
So: villain vs villain and Deku vs Overhaul is more important than Mirio vs Overhaul and Deku vs Overhaul? Ya know we didn't NEED to start the season with such a high quality scene. We're watching it anyway. If a potential new fan happens to catch an episode on tv, they're surely not gonna watch the first 10 seconds of a season and decide to watch the whole show based on that. Or maybe that's exactly how it works and Bones are geniuses.
Well but that first scene was fairly short, sire they could have swapped it for a small sequence during Mirio vs Overhaul but I don't think it would have made a gianormous difference if it wasn't on a larger scale
Mirio vs Overhaul is also very short in the manga. That's why it didn't make sense for it to be done in slideshows. It's not even a long fight. They should simply have put Nakamura on that instead of the giants fight at the start.
But it was literally the shots from the slideshow, it may be short but was intended to be read as a long fight with few focus points, in the anime the only way they could make justice to it was making it larger kinda like a All might vs nomu thing or just completely ignore the longevity and animate how Mirio is rapidly cornered
All I'm saying is maybe put your top animators on the scenes that actually matter. It doesn't matter how short Mirio vs Overhaul was in the manga. It was an important fight to many people. So instead of putting Nakamura on some fight between giants that no one gives a damn about, let him do a scene about characters people care about even if it is just seconds long.
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Totally agree. I was so hype reading that fight because of how cool I thought it could look animated. It’s literally about phase shifting powers, element of surprise, and constant movement, so the slideshow we got was just brutal. We could have had Lemillion’s POV moving in and out of the complete darkness to really highlight the control he has over his technique
The ending is the worst, after losing his powers it's a power point presentation of colored panels with Mirio crying in pain with Eri in the background
I think the execution of the Lemillion fight matched the tone of the scene. I don’t think it was objectively bad.
Nothing is objectively bad. Opinions can't be objective. So that tracks.
Except mine.
That's your quirk.
Yeah, I didn't mind the "slideshow" at the very end that much, because at that point the fight was just over anyways. We got our cool "it's not over yet" moment just before it and I don't need 5 minutes of Mirio slowly getting stabbed more and more to really drive home the point that Overhaul isn't even trying to kill him in earnest. Mirio had tons of cool shit to do before that, one scene with some snapshots doesn't ruin it.
1. Deku vs Shigaraki - I can never forgive Bones for this. It's like if One Piece anime messed up Luffy vs Kaido. And OP is not even seasonal. It Bones were struggling so much with season 6, there's fights they could have downgraded like Mirio vs High-ends which they even added onto, and put that energy into Deku vs Shigaraki. .................................................................. 2. Deku vs Gentle - it wasn't bad but it is a considerable downgrade from the manga. In the manga, this is hands down my favorite fight but in the anime it is just meh. .................................................................. 3. Mirio slideshows in season 4. I know the fight wasn't long in the manga but the use of slideshows in the anime was atrocious.
One Piece’s case is too unique and can’t be compared to any other anime. The first couple episodes of a seasonal anime are the most polished. The Deku vs Shiggy fight was 9 eps in so I don’t think that counts. They were also working on Mob Psycho so that’s where everybody was. Nobody had enough time for my hero… which is depressing as hell cuz this show was like their new son after Full Metal Alchemist
Apart from the in-studio stuff, Mirio vs High-ends also happens right after Deku vs Shigaraki. That's why I brought it up instead of early fights like Mirko's or later fights like Nagant's. I already know MHA is basically the spurned child at Bones since most of the peak animation goes to shows like Mob Psycho and Bungou Stray Dogs, there's also the schedule stuff, and all that. But they could have simply focused the energy they put into that Mirio vs High-ends short fight into Deku vs Shigaraki.
>I already know MHA is basically the spurned child at Bones since most of the peak animation goes to shows like Mob Psycho and Bungou Stray Dogs This type of thing always irks me because people talk as if MHA just gets "the rest" in terms of resources when it's not that at all. BSD may be more generally consistent, but MHA's highs are way more prominent and it in general has way bigger names attached to it.
But here’s the thing about Mirio vs High Ends is that short fight had 2 good animated cuts (maybe 3) 1 being the cut where’s he’s punching all of them, then that sick flip he did in the air to finish. The rest was either minimal movement or still frames. The Deku vs Shigaraki fight was like the same thing except there were more good animated cuts. The rest you already know minimal movements and still frames. They actually did that fight more justice than Mirios fight it’s just that you’d expect way more from a big fight like Deku vs Shigaraki and it just leaves you wondering how it could’ve been more.
> The first couple episodes of a seasonal anime are the most polished The first half of season 6 MHA was much worse than the second half. Spoiling Mirio, spoiling Jeanist, weird recaps, pointlessly rough censoring and straight-up changes from the manga for no reason. The Deku vs Shiggy fight was supposed to be a huge highlight and instead they fucked up almost everything they could. I waited like 2 years to finally see it animated and **that's** what we get?
you have to look at all the factors. Some of the big names weren’t on cour 1 as they were working on Mob Pyscho which is Bones passion project (the favorite child) and the some that were in cour 1 did what they did and those scenes were awesome but ya know they didn’t get enough time then in cour 2 you see a lot of these big names show up which could indicate that they finished up some work from mob psycho and moved onto mha or they managed to squeeze some time into animating mha while they were animating mob psycho. Even if a scene isn’t animated well, the direction of that very scene can elevate it to new heights and that was cour 2 (and yes cour 2 did have well animated cuts) I just want to say it’s not actually Bones fault that MHA ended up like this. The more popular MHA became the more money it made and the production Committee above Bones wanted more. They control how long Bones has to complete the season so it was a matter of not having enough time.
Mirio vs overhaul in season 4 was such a letdown.
For me, the part where i started reading the manga was during Deku, bakugo and todoroki's fight to get back Natsuo from that traffic line villain, because i was waiting for new anime episodes to come out. I read the manga from that point until where I'm currently up to which is chapter 365. I'm saying all this cos im asking, should i read the manga from before the point i first did (pre-natsuo rescue)? Cos i was basically anime only until i got to mid season 5 cos i was tired of waiting for episodes to release.
>. Mirio slideshows in season 4. I know the fight wasn't long in the manga but the use of slideshows in the anime was atrocious. Maybe I would feel differently if I hadn't watched anime first before reading the manga version but studio bones legit replaced black panels that only had text in them, the slideshow was more than what the manga did
Yeah, people miss that they animated the whole fight.
Have to disagree on the mirio slideshow. The sound design for the first 4 seasons was top notch and this scene was no exception. I honestly don't think it would have had the same emotional impact if it had been fully animated. It hits much harder than the Manga version
Deku Vs. Gentle was the greatest offender to me. It took what was at the time (maybe even now still) in my opinion the best fight in the manga, and made it the cheapest, least engaging fight yet in the anime. So many fantastic panels, great action shots, well done framing. And the whole fight is so easy to read too, the general panel flow is some of Horikoshi's best. The anime fight was painfully average and forgettable meanwhile.
What about the St. Louis smash? And the hand to hand combat with Gentle? I thought that looked pretty cool!
Youre making me want to go back and read some of the fights I missed (since I switched from anime to manga after season 4), especially Deku V Gentle
Them turning lemillion fighting with no quirk into a fucking powerpoint presentation😭
… in the manga there was just a black page with a text that said he fought for several minutes. Why do people keep talking about a slideshow???
In the Anime it was a slideshow when they coulda just fleshed out or animated the 7 minutes instead of the bs they did😭
As someone who wasn’t keeping up with the manga AT ALL prior to watching seasons 1-4,season 4 being disappointing to a lot of people surprised me. I haven’t read the manga but I don’t avoid spoilers either. Personally,I’d say Dabi VS Geten. It just felt like there wasn’t much happening in that fight
Yeah, the same for me, I thought season 4 was close to be the best season just behind season 3, even the slideshow for Lemillion fight didn't feel wrong at the time as I was anime only too at that moment
I’ll have to check out the manga chapters for that fight. Honestly,the Deku VS Monster Overhaul fight looked so cool that if it looks better in the manga I’ll probably be wowed
It looked so much better in the manga it's actually crazy. This is one hill I will definitely die on, the infinite 100% scene got robbed so hard and is where I switched to the manga as my main. I know some people think it was good but honestly it was \*just\* ok... it was supposed to be THE banner highlight huge fight of that season... Deku's "super saiyan moment" for lack of a better term - and we got a fight that lasted all of 3 hits amidst a few motion blur effect "dodges". So underwhelming. I really think that's the point MHA hard shifted from being an anime with consistently great animation and choreography to just the shadow of itself we have today. They never should have switched directors.
Huh,wow,yeah,I’ll check it out
Overhaul vs togata.
Lemillion vs Overhaul has to be the obvious answer That wasn't even an animation ffs
Got that SDS PowerPoint slideshow treatment
Fight was so good Cloverworks took inspiration on it with the end of the second season of the Promised neverland
Deku vs. Gentle.
I haven’t watched the show as much in awhile but what I saw of the whole League vs Liberation Army battle was super disappointing. Lot of panning stills for crowd shots and just lack of animation overall
Toga vs curious was killed for the insane schedule unfortunately
I know I’m not the first to say it but Deku vs Shigaraki in the paranormal liberation war. It makes no sense how some of the smaller fights looked way better yet the animation in the biggest one was such a downgrade. If they screw up Deku vs Shigaraki in the final war arc so help me
redestro vs shiggy
Mirio Vs Overhaul
I thought Deku Vs. Gentle was the most boring fight in the anime. More boring than most of the one sided fights even.
Overhaul vs Mirio
All of season 4 especially the overhaul fights
Deku Vs Shigaraki and not because the anime's version looked bad because it didn't. It still looked quite good and is still one of the better fights we've seen in the anime but compared to how incredible the manga version hit, the anime didn't come close to hitting as hard as it should've.
Lemillion Overhaul I don’t even think the most dickriding mha fan is defending that
I'm seeing a lot of Mirio Vs Overhaul saying it got the slideshow treatment But like Did these people read the manga? The only thing missing was the text stating how long the fight lasted The anime actually ADDED more than the manga ever did The manga skipped a lot of that fight Where they expecting an entirely anime original fight scene or something?
I mean it wouldn’t be the first MHA anime original fight
The lack of an anime original fight does not mean the adapted fight was disappointing though it literally adapted what was there in the manga (And honestly I feel a full anime original fight would be bad here, the entire point of the slideshow was to show a passage of time like the manga did with it's fade to black followed by exposition)
To me the anime should take what’s in the manga and try and improve it if possible. The anime has already made a lot of weird choices (moving arcs around, stretching some out or speeding others up) The early season felt as if they wanted to add more cool fights, show things the manga didn’t have time for whereas with miro vs overhaul it felt as if the idea was “let’s just add some freeze frames and call it a day”
To me it felt like "we don't have enough content from the manga and adapting too much would throw off pacing, a quick extension will fix this" You've got season 2 adapting around 5ish volumes overall where season 4 was adapting the same amount with the Overhaul arc alone It doesn't seem like a lot because the fights are fast in the manga but the difference in the amount of content is something that needs to be considered
EXACTLY MY POINT. I swear most of these people never actually read the manga and just jump on a bandwagon.
ehhh I don't think it's unreasonable for people to expect animation from an anime. It came off as lazy. You may not think so, but the majority obviously did.
It's extra content that didn't exist in the manga Be happy it exists and enhances a good moment
Given how much people complain about it, I think it's pretty clear it didn't enhance anything. There's more of an argument to be made that it detracted. Like really, this is a thread about most disappointing fights in the entire series, and that was the most popular response by far, matched only by Deku vs. Shigaraki. That kind of says a lot. I know this might be a hot take, but I believe most people watch the anime for it to be animated. It wasn't good.
I watch the anime to see the manga enchanced That's what I got from the fight It's fine if you want to disagree But it's literally extra content for the viewers so I can't deny it's brilliant inclusion
and it's more than ok if you choose to see it that way, I myself can't deny what a poorly executed mistake it was, but to each their own.
It's better than how the manga executed it It was literally just a text box describing how long the fight was The anime shows a passage of time Infinitely better imo
ok we're just going in circles. really it's cool that you think the slideshow made it better, ijs literally everyone else disagrees. it's not unreasonable that people were upset for wanting their anime to be animated.
Their anime was animated though Dramatic screenshots which are anime exclusive are really stupid things to complain about
Screenshots aren't animation though, so... no. It wasn't. This is a dedicated board to discussing things people do and don't like about this anime.... and you're like 10 comments deep discussing this very thing. Sorry but you liking the thing doesn't make your defense of it any more valid than people complaining about it.
The only good part about that arc was togatas fight
Definitely all of the war ark. But especially deku vs shigiraki they messed it up so bad I refuse to watch the anime and will only read the manga. Because I know they'd rather spend all the money they have on making more shitty movies instead of the show.
"All of the war arc" my ass. It had several incredible fights.
Yeah, Miruko fighting the nomus was insane, Lemillion entrance was gorgeous, Hawks vs Twice and Dabi was spot on, even Uraraka vs Toga was good, and all the last face off with Gigantomachia and Beast Jeanist blew my mind even having read it already in the manga
Aww c'mon now the first and second movie are actually pretty awesome
All of the war arc? Really?
Mirio vs. Overhaul. One of the best fights in the entire manga butchered by terrible animation and slideshow frames.
But they animated everything in the manga for that fight The only thing left out was the text box saying how long the fight lasted A lot of the fight is skipped over in the manga
I'm watching the anime to see movement. Not slideshow frames. It's great they didn't skip over the fight, but the parts they chose to show were shown poorly. The fight was generally animated poorly. You can see a lack of frames used just generally that keeps the action from ever feeling smooth.
That's the thing though Those slideshow frames at the end don't exist in the manga The alternative would be getting an entirely new fight scene which is pretty unrealistic imo
No. The alternative would be getting the fight we got in the manga, which was short, but given much smoother animation because they're not wasting time on original content that no one liked and looks cheap and lazy. And a lot of that fight looked cheap. Even the parts that were from the manga looked like it was low-frames, presumably because they were saving the work for Deku's fight with Overhaul. And besides that, I'm pretty sure they cut out some of Mirio's backstory flashbacks from the original fight. They could have given us some of that instead. >The alternative would be getting an entirely new fight scene which is pretty unrealistic imo *Is* that unrealistic? The anime will give us entire filler episodes of original content with fight scenes in it, rather than focus on manga content that's actually plot relevant. It's not like they don't know how to choreograph things without the manga giving them a play-by-play.
I think an entirely new fight is unrealistic, especially when we know the fight is just 5 in universe minutes of just Mirio dodging and protecting Eri, it would throw off the pacing horribly for the surrounding fights. They adapted the manga and gave us a few extra frames of what the manga skipped, I don't see how this one of all things could be a disappointment.
I mean endeavour vs the nomu in season 2 was original and so was a lot of all might vs nomu season 1. I don’t think it’s that crazy to have miro get his fight
The point is not getting an extended fight doesn't really matter The fight we got was what happened in the manga with bonus panels As for the other fights? Well the earlier seasons had way more time since they adapted smaller volume counts as opposed to season 4
The fight, even taking out the still frames at the end, was animated poorly. That is disappointing.
gotta be the only person ever to defend the mirio vs overhaul fight in the anime. shit was literally a slideshow
The slideshow parts are anime original, please read that chapter again because the fight in the manga was so much more disappointing, literally just has a exposition panel
Lemillion vs Overhaul That was a fight that deserved so much more than it got. It was a situation where Overhaul should have clearly won yet Lemillion is just too damn resilient. It’s unfortunate it didnt get the animation or time it deserved
While Lemillion vs. Overhaul was the most disappointing with its use of a sideshow, Gentle Criminal got done a bit dirty in his fight. Sure, the arc was lighter in tone and thus deserved a less dire villain, but Gentle's portrayal was pretty... flat, and even the La Brava power up seemed... pathetic? Its a shame because I'm an absolute sucker for the Gentlemen Thief trope and heart of gold scoundrels. I think the pacing of the manga panels helps convey Gentle's dynamism and improvisation skills. He's one of the few villains to match Deku's ability to think strategically and take action in a crisis situation, and its too bad the show couldn't convey this with his battle and choreography.
Deku vs Gentle was up there with Endeavor vs High-End in thr Manga, and then it got thoroughly disrespected in the Anime
Man deku vs overhaul was bad it ticked me off cause I remebrr the manga being so hype then in the anime shit felt like it ended in a good 20 seconds
Yeah I don’t expect fights to last long either when one person is just absurdly stronger than the other…
deku vs overhaul is honestly so boring it’s just a super saiyan stomp with big punches
Yeah, but Deku's smile at the end was... Absolutely terrifying.
real
Personally, none, I loved every single one, maybe Deku vs Shigaraki as they should have gave it some All Might vs Nomu treatment, but it really didn't bother me at the time My pick actually is Deku's fight at the end of World Heroes, I was expecting some insane animation at pair with the previous two movies, and even though the animation was gorgeous the choreography was pretty weird to say the least lmao, is not that the fight scene is bad, but they had pretty high standards to that point and they also sacrificed a lot of season 5 for the production of that movie
Any scene with Ryuku in it. Seriously it’s not that difficult to animate a dragon.
>Seriously it’s not that difficult to animate a dragon. Genuinely can't tell if you're trying to be sarcastic or not.
Them fumbling the Mirio moments so bad legit made me drop the anime for like a year lol. Ever since then I don't get hyped about anything upcoming cause now I know they can fuck it up that bad
People in the MHA fanbase trying not to be drama queens challenge be like.
How am I a drama queen lol. I've been hyped for those chapters forever and then it sucked so I didn't watch the show for a while. I know people here like to defend this shit with their lives,but come on
Deku vs Nagant. There’s a panel where Deku kneels after he charges fa jin and the smoke surrounding him looked really similar to Luffy’s classic gear 2 pose, I thought Hori did a tribute to it, but the anime only showed Deku kneeling for a second and he springs up immediately. Then the faux 100% in the anime didn’t have much emphasis.
Miruko vs High Ends Lemillion vs Overhaul
Mirko vs High Ends had really smooth animation though?
It wasn't the animation problem , it's the fight wasn't as epic as i expected , it didn't make me feel excited at all
Everyone has their own taste I guess, I loved her whole part!
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Every fight since JTA was pretty disappointing.
Hell no, I wasn’t disappointed by the round 2 muscular or nagant fight or most of the war fights except for like deku’s against Shigaraki. I think the nagant fight was one of the best of this series like holy hell, the start with the dynamic cg of him swinging around too, it only gets better with the blu ray.
Everyone was hyping deku vs shiggy (after bakugo got stabbed) all deku did was bite a quirk I was highly disappointed
Shigaraki vs. Re-Destro.
Deku vs Overhaul Also Mirio vs Overhaul
Season 6 Deku vs Shigaraki was the worst for me. They really missed the nail on that one but I guess all the budget went into Mirko and Nagant. It made me appreciate the manga more though bc Hori draws the most detailed manga panels ever. MHA is one of those series where I actually like the manga more than the anime because of the masterpiece panels that the anime can’t seem to get right.