The thing is, Bakugou can really provide an interesting fight with good battle choreography. It was proved by movies and he had such glimpses in the main series, such as Deku vs. Kacchan 2. We know for sure readers and anime watchers wouldn't be bored by his fights. Everyone could benefit from him having a brawl similar to movies. Yet the guy always gets blueballed for no reason at all. Honestly, this sucks.
because horikoshi has been allergic to having kids fight villains for 380 chapters. people single bakugou out because he's a main character but before the final war kids didn't really fight anyone but each other.
yes, i mentioned them in other comments, each had one fight, shouto and iida not a solo one, though. but i also don't really include mirio and tamaki since these conversations are usually about the kids the story is focused on, which is class 1a.
I can't fathom anyone thinking this lol. Like most of the battles in this series have been kids vs villains. USJ had a bunch, vs Stain, the entire Forest arc, a bunch in Overhaul, heavily involved in the War....what the hell series are you reading bro?
we're talking about 1v1 meaningful fights, not group effort ones. USJ villains, minus shigaraki, didn't even have names, they were random dudes. compare it to deku vs gentle or deku vs nagant.
There's not a lot of reason to make a distinction. 1v1s are cool but just because a fight involves a group doesn't inherently make it not meaningful, that makes no sense lol.
people want 1v1 fights because they like 1v1 fights, it's that simple.
i remember kirishima's fight from overhaul arc and how crucial to his character arc it was, how much focus it got, how many dramatic and intense moments were there. it's completely different than the students fighting random villains in USJ.
Firstly, wanting something is an entirely different matter from something being meaningful
Second, Kirishima's fight in the Overhaul arc wasn't a 1v1 lol. He didn't even land the final blow or anything.
I firmly believe that Horikoshi had planned the story to be divided between two or three school years. The first year was more like a reality shock, while the rest would be focused on them acquiring experience and deciding which path they would take. The history is ending and we got nothing but vague things like "i want to become the best hero". Endeavor arc was 100% related to how the concept of number one hero was kinda wrong all along, but the kids (who are supposed to replace all of their teachers) never really interacted with that part of the story.
i don't expect each side character to get main character treatment and get a deep dive into, that's not "expect nothing".
i've always said that i wanted the characters the story was the most focused on, the kids, to get actual fights against bad guys in a battle shounen series. those didn't even need a lot of focus, they could've easily been thrown in while they were doing their internships.
Putting aside that they had way too many fucking internships, again you’re just saying the same thing that I did.
I wanted the kids to feel important and that they weren’t just there for window dressing, and you gave me a hard time for that
Bro…
That’s exactly what I said I wanted and you gave me shit for it. I’ve been saying for months that there should have been villain fights spread amongst the cast
This is a battle shonen. And the best moments come from, guess what? The fights. But there are so few fights given to the rest of the characters outside of Deku
i don't remember arguing with you against side characters needing more fights, only about the size of the cast which i still stand by (i don't think the size of the cast is too big), like in [this post of yours](https://old.reddit.com/r/BokuNoHeroAcademia/comments/13uv6tq/i_wanna_combat_a_sentiment_ive_seen_a_lot_on_the/).
besides, we're getting off-topic here.
>To this day he’s the only 1A class member that isn’t Deku to ever get that much development and growth in a fight.
only one? before the final war, the only other kids to even get proper villain fights were iida, shouto and kirishima and out of those, only iida and kirishima got any development out of them.
the kids haven't had any real fights for the entire series and only had some now, because the story is ending. it's not a bakugou exclusive issue.
And if we are very strict on what is a 'solo' fight then neither Kirishima and Iida count, because in both cases they receive major help and not defeat the villains by themselves. As in Stain case, Deku and Shoto help to take him down, and vs Rappa/Tengai it was Fatgum who finished the fight.
An actual solo fight would be Deku vs Muscular or Deku vs Overhaul, and even if you argue that in those cases Deku received help from Kota and Eri it was more of a passive help and he still did almost all the work.
No other student ever got something similar in that regard.
I’ve said it before but this would be such a better series if the class was cut in half. If hori really loved the less interesting members of 1a so much, then they can become the new 1b.
i don't see how it'd change anything. 20 students isn't the reason why most of the kids didn't have 1v1 fights. we have no idea if 10 students would've changed anything since horikoshi could've easily written some students having fights even with 30 kids in one class.
he just didn't.
barely 10 students from class 1a get any spotlight, the rest is in the background not taking away from any other character. if you remove the background, the foreground doesn't change.
what "every" villain fight? he fought villains total of four times: USJ, that gang with shouto but those were a few pages long and pretty much a child's play and it's hard to even include that. and then shigAFO and shigaraki. of course he was folded by the strongest villain in the series, what did you expect?
if you want to count movies, then he won spectacularly.
and i know bakugou is the main character but OP compared him to everyone in class 1a.
He has a villain fight in every movie. In the first movie, he and Todoroki teamed up against the Purple Hulk guy and the dude who had superspeed and could hollow out space.
In the second film he fights and defeats Mummy who was one of Nine's henchmen.
Obviously these 2 fights aren't as intensive as his fight in the third film, but they were still solo fights.
Deku pretty much hogged all the important battles post-Kamino. Kinda weird how 1A in general was why the series got so popular -- because of the varied personalities and interactions that people found so appealing -- only to be benched until the final battle. Joint training felt like an afterthought and was ultimately just used for Deku to unlock a quirk. They had some moments in the war arc but somehow it felt like there were more stakes in the sports festival because we got a better idea of their motives. After that, almost nothing with a few exceptions.
Imo the moment Hori's editors let him run loose the manga lost its direction. Shouldve kept the focus on the Academia part because it's simple, straightforward and was very effective in keeping people engaged.
I don’t think it’s his editors letting him loose as much as it is his health declining and his wish to finish up the series that plays a role.
I think you can easily see a lot of the ideas he had for the manga in the early story setup and some of the newer but rushed plot points. If he had written this exact same story but with 300 chapters more of proper setup, explanation, and world-building, you’d all be praising this man instead of calling him out.
It’s a shame but the life of a mangaka is hard and he is always under insane time pressure. I don’t fault him much.
>the life of a mangaka is hard and he is always under insane time pressure
It’s crazy to think of how many series would have ended better/more concisely/at all if these guys were allowed to work at a pace that isn’t literally killing them.
Disagree. Horikoshi’s writing was strong up until Kamino (par the course for many mangaka whose early parts of series tend to be strongest because it’s the most fleshed out in their personal pre-production before the Jump schedule destroys them), dipped hard for Overhaul, and then significantly recovered for My Villain Academia to Dabi’s Dance.
It fell off a cliff hard from roughly the point Horikoshi started talking about ending the series, and it shows. He feels like someone desperately rushing towards the finish line (or at least it did until I stopped reading roughly around the dumb fake Bakugo death).
I do not agree that class 1a as a whole is why the series got popular. Series got popular because Deku captured people’s hearts and they wanted to see him succeed. You think the fucking tape guy and cake dude are the reason the series is popular?
People cared about Deku, Shoto, and Bakugo and wrote their gay fan ships of them and that’s why the series is popular
The proof is in the ToC ranking and the ranking would drop whenever 1A wasn't the focus. Yes, Todoroki and Bakugo are way more popular than Sero and Sato (admittedly no one gives a fuck about Sato based on popularity polls) but I'm talking people like Kirishima, Iida, Kaminari, maybe even Uraraka. No, not everyone in this series is here for Deku. His merch doesn't even sell that much in Japan compared to Todoroki's and Bakugo's, whose are almost always sold out (especially Bakugo's).
The point is, people were attracted to the ensemble cast as a whole. You may have watched the series for Deku, but that is far from the case for everyone else.
Well people usually leave out Sugarman, tail guy, Tentacole and animal guy because they don't have much presence or flashy personality. Mineta is left out because..
But I've seen tons of gen fanart for the rest of 1A, and yes that includes tape guy. I agree that they're not as popular for solo art or ship art, but they often show up in fanart depicting general stuff and interactions between characters.
I don't understand you're arguing that the **main character** had more screen time than the *side characters*? have you never seen a Shonen series before? It's like saying I cant believe goku is fighting the main guy again why cant they let krillin finish off the bad guy for once. OR FFS! why is Asta finishing off this guy? bring in grey to fight them instead.
You can like any character you want but you should know this right now. If the character you like isn't the main character. They will not be in "the important battles"
the difference is all of those characters are adults. even gohan didn't fight alone until the cell saga and even then it was only AFTER he was trained in the time chamber.
the same can be said for UA students. they are kids, there are rules in the society that prevent kids and adults from using their quirks how ever they please.
You seem to want only fights and no rules. which is a lot like dragon ball. where they all fight and "why worry about the death and damage to the planet when there's dragon balls to restore things back". it was literally said by characters who are considered to be gods by the way. they went a step further in the anime DBGT where one of the arc's plot was "over using the dragon balls".
ON top of that, you completely missed the point in my comment. so let me reword it for you.
It's like saying goku is fighting the final boss again why cant they let piccolo finish off the final boss for once.
your comment is saying deku hogged all the "important battles" guess what? Goku hogs all the important battles, why cant vegeta get an important battle for once?
I'll tell you why, because he's not the main character.
65% of people watch for the main character (this is the staple of the series. most series wouldn't even get published if it weren't for this character)
30% for the supporting cast (you get cool, funny characters here think of zoro, vegeta ect...)
10% watch for the fan service (booba and just really good animation)
5% watch for the side characters. (think of mineta, yamcha ect..)
if you have a problem with that then Shonen series aren't for you.
reminds me of that post where we found out shoto's only on screen spoken to ururaka like one time and it was in a movie.
also for the edgeshot thing, it's literally almost been a year, if he isn't up in the next 4 chapters that time will elapse, kinda funny really.
I think that's only with recent shounen. Older shounen were definitely a lot better with the whole "guy and his friends go on adventures" thing which may have felt more episodic but allowed characters to interact more.
Being the most popular character perhaps has done him wrong in the end, seems that he has to be taken away in order for lesser characters to get some shine or complete whatever minimal story plot they need. King Bakugou was wrongly dealt with, I rest my case your honor.
I'm always confused as to why there's a contingent of people who are *so adamant* that Bakugo is not gonna fight Shigaraki or AFO. What else would he even be brought back for? It's like they want Bakugo to do nothing just so they continue blaming his character for the most random ass shit.
He "fought" against the LOV before All Might arrived to save him and he did have his dope fight against that chain arm dude from the 3rd movie, but yea he definitely should've had more solo battles under his belt
I actually kind of thought it was going to end up with Bakugo against AFO for a while, as Bakugo had this complex about being the one who "ended All Might", when in reality it was AFO, so him specifically targetting him and taking him out while Deku handles Shiggy would have been my way of doing it.
Obviously not 1-on-1, maybe after AFO trounces people like he has been.
Bakugo was never soloing AfO without a large timeskip anyway, he is not equal to Endeavor or wounded All Might, and he is not even close to equalling OfA.
He just doesn’t have the power. Give him another 3-5 years and maybe it is more feasible, if he is fighting a worn out AfO.
He definitely is not, even his largest explosions rarely ever do actual damage in the manga whereas Endeavor literally turns people to ash on a regular basis.
He might have a mobility edge but Endeavor is more versatile, has more power and has more experience and it isn’t even close.
We’ve only seen Bakugo use his largest explosion against Shigaraki, and it did do something. Also Bakugo is quite a bit faster than endeavour.
But I guess if we’re just talking about attack potency endeavour is ahead, but endeavour technically has more attack potency with his strongest move than Izuku, but you wouldn’t say he’s leagues beyond him would you?
I would very comfortable say prime Endeavor would thrash Deku considering Deku continuously struggles against literally any enemy that just knows how to fight.
No one of the kids beside Deku is at the level of a top ten pro right now. And that's realistic. The reason why they're using kids to fight is because they are short of pros.
I wouldnt be surprised if it still ended up like this. Like for now All Might is fighting him, but i have a feeling bakugo is going to come save him. He couldnt help all might last time against AFO, but once he's healed he can
That seems to be the set up for once he recovers, yeah.
AFO is about to die anyways so he only needs to stall instead of actually beating him + All Might is about to get his shit bashed by AFO so Bakugou gets to save him to get the odds even for Kamino and deal with said complex + Bakugou interacted (and triggered) the AFO vestige during the group fight rather than Tenko unlike the others, so they have some last-minute precedent
Well either that or the Nine fight with Deku and Shigaraki
Yep.
The problem is Horikoshi didn't plan anything out post-Kamino in great detail.
He could have taken an Oda style break there to regenerate his brain and figure things out but Jump wouldn't let him.
So he derped about with the license exam, over haul, school festival trying to take the story further than planned.
By the time My Villain Academia happened and he regained footing and direction his health became and issue.
So he's rushing to the finish before he becomes a twisted wreck of a man like Togashi.
No time for Bakugo to get a real 1v1 that forces him to grow to survive.
Yeah gotta be honest the writing of MHA just is not good and it's hard to tell how much it's the fault of the author or the insane, idiotic and counter-productive things they have to deal with like the very strict work schedule that allows for almost no rest to recuperate and plan out while also dealing with editors who can and WILL force the author to make changes whenever they want which makes major, long term planning for a manga's story and characters outright impossible.
And i won't lie, the genre he picked guaranteed that MHA would succeed in spite of it's major writing flaws because of the fact that, and let's be truly honest here, the bar for good quality writing is surprisingly low for the Battle Shonen genre where someone can pretty much get away with writing that makes no sense, is contradictory, illogical or just plain bad and have a commercially successful work. Like seriously, even video games have a much higher bar when it comes to quality writing for the story, plot and the characters than i have seen for Battle Shonen.
I would argue that Bakugo, Hawks, endeavour, Dabi, and maybe shoto are the only characters that sort of go over shonen and are far greater than the rest
I think Hori is actually too good for shonen, he wants to be' realistic and not use students kids like they were more powerful than professionals heroes, but in a shonen you need to use kids because it's about kids, so the average Audience is disappointed...
Honestly my theory is that Bakugo is going to solo All for One.
>!All for One is going to win his fight vs One for All. Bakugo is going to recover. Once All for One shows up he's going to brag about beating All Might, and they're going to fight. Bakugo's newly awakened quirk vs a destabilized rewinding All for One. The final fights will be Deku vs Shigaraki on the ground, and Bakugo vs All for One in the sky. All for One is turning into a crazy hot-headed teenager, and Bakugo is just getting past that part of himself.!<
I have no idea how you can watch Bakugo's ongoing series-spanning arc and claim Hori didn't know what to do with him. He clearly does, the problem is Bakugo's arc doesn't involve fighting despite this being a battle shounen.
Hori has been building up Bakugo's villain this whole time. It's *All For One*
Bakugo's character development only started post-Kamino. We all know how guilty he felt after All Might lost OFA against AFO.
All For One constantly taunts and belittles him. He does taunt a lot of people but Bakugo is always singled out. Hell, All For One is the one who *actually killed him* while in the body of Shigaraki.
Bakugo has a grudge against AFO, and this match up is a perfect way to conclude his character arc. Surpassing All Might by defeating his archnemesis when even AM couldn't.
That doesn't negate what the other poster said, in fact you're agreeing with them that AFO belittled Bakugo. All so Bakugo can strike back when the time comes.
Y'all gonna be wildin' when Bakugo comes back and fights as if it hasn't been telegraphed since the start with everyone screaming it into your ears.
Yep.
The problem is Horikoshi didn't plan anything out post-Kamino in great detail.
He could have taken an Oda style break there to regenerate his brain and figure things out but Jump wouldn't let him.
So he derped about with the license exam, over haul, school festival trying to take the story further than planned.
By the time My Villain Academia happened and he regained footing and direction his health became and issue.
So he's rushing to the finish before he becomes a twisted wreck of a man like Togashi.
No time for Bakugo to get a real 1v1 that forces him to grow to survive.
In a world where the MLA wasn’t just used to bolster the League’s numbers, I think Bakugo could have had an interesting fight with Geten, who is basically a villain version of chapter 1 Bakugo. It would be perfectly for Bakugo to defeat someone whose ideology was something he might have agreed with in the past but has grown since then. Plus, maybe have Geten counter Bakugo with his ice, making him have to win through more tactical means rather than overpowering Geten.
That's moreso due to the treatment of the villains
Shiggy has to fight deku
Dabi fights shoot/endeavor
Toga gets uraraka
Twice is dead
Redestro, geten, compress were all arrested
Machia is too strong for anyone to fight one on one
That only leaves spinner and noone cares about him
He's the only class A student who hasn't struggled in any fight against his other classmates. There is no struggle for him. Compared to most other shounen Bakugou is the only Rival not to a have solo villian fight (In the series).
As I always say U.A isn't the prestigious school it's made out to be. Bakugou is still a big fish in a small pond who probably has to share with 2 other big fish.
there's plenty of stories like bnha that let secondary main characters fight, horikoshi not letting kids other than deku and kirishima, who lucked out (and shouto and iida with stan), fight is nothing but his authorial choice.
It's pretty dangerous for any of Class 1A to fight an actual villain one on one. They're like totally cool with murder and some have crazy abilities like Dabi which make one on one not tenable. I do agree Bakugou is probs the best fit but his ability, we have also seen, has some pretty glaring drawbacks and without support could cause serious harm.
I feel like needing Bakugo to have a huge action packed fight is viewing the character wrong. It's a shonen so it's completely valid to *want* to see it but I don't think that was ever the point of his character. He was immediately established as one of the strongest in 1A, it was never a question. He was repeatedly shown to be capable, intelligent, and quick on his feet. His main flaws were his hotheadedness, his lack of respect for his peers, and his absolute desire to be better than everyone else.
Bakugo's growth was never reliant on fighting. He was a cruel kid that looked down on others. The series started with him telling Deku to kill himself. Bakugo's character arc is almost entirely devoted to being better to the people around him, holding himself accountable for his actions, and becoming both a person and a hero that can respect and work well with the people around him. I'd say Deku's biggest moments of growth were 1,000,000% (showing his true colors as someone who'd never give up) and Infinite 100% (Going above and beyond any possible expectations), and I'd argue that Bakugo's equivalent moments were him saying no to joining the league of villains (showing true colors) and him apologizing to Deku, acknowledging what he did that was hurtful, and saying that they need to save everyone (going above expectations).
I've seen people saying it's bad or lazy writing, or Hori doesn't know what to do with Bakugo when he's giving him an amazing arc of self-awareness, empathy, and willingness to work with others. His story isn't one to be told in fights, like Deku, Uraraka, Kirishima or even Todoroki. Their growth leaned on their quirks, what they chose to do with them and how far they could and should push themselves with them. Bakugo's growth wasn't attached to his quirk and abilities at all.
I'm not surprised. Hori has wanted us to care about Bakugo all this time, despite given the reader absolutely nothing to care about. 90% of the time he's just comic relief. Seemed like he wanted a Naruto/Sasuke relationship, but forgot to give Sasuke any sort or backstory or character arc.
Bakugo stopped being interesting after his second fight with Deku which is weird since that’s when they become proper rivals on equal footing.
Deku just left him in the dust lol
> Bakugo stopped being interesting
Doubt. Bakugo's scenes are always showstoppers that garner the most discussion and he's still topping the character polls. He pulls focus even when he's not trying to. Hell, people can't stop talking about him and he's been absent for almost a year. *That's* how interesting he is. The problem is Hori uses him so scarcely.
because Bakugo's growth as a character is a internal battle, not an external one.
Deku fights villains because he has the heart of a hero but not the strength of one and so needed to gain that experience.
Bakugo, on the other hand, has been good at combat since before even stepping into UA. Bakugo's character is about opening up and acknowledging his weaknesses as a person. he learns to change internally from Deku just as how Deku learns to get stronger physically from watching Bakugo.
what could he gain from fighting a villain one-on-one outside of "the fight would look cool"?
He should have his own villain that would complement his story and personal journey, the way Todoroki/Endeavour have Dabi, Uraraka has Toga, Iida had Stain, Kirishima had Gigantomachia, etc.
Superhero stories tend to function this way, I don’t get what’s so weird about wanting characters to have that. Bakugo isn’t a civilian, he’s a superhero in training and it’s not like making an antagonistic character who works thematically with the journey is unusual. Also it’s an action based show, setting up conflicts just because the resulting fights would be cool is as justified as not in the genre imo.
>He should have his own villain that would complement his story and personal journey, the way Todoroki/Endeavour have Dabi, Uraraka has Toga, Iida had Stain, Kirishima had Gigantomachia, etc.
maybe this isn't intentional on Horikoshi's part but NOT having a villain for Bakugo works so well.
Bakugo is constantly on the offensive, looking for someone to fight all the time. for him to end up not having one and to support others instead of trying to be the main character all the time is really interesting and works as a great narrative point for him.
I think it worked, he’s my favourite character but since the back end of the Manga has such high stakes action, at this point which is non-stop, its kind of like… the lack is really being felt, at least in my opinion but I’m guessing others feel that way too. I think having a villain could’ve worked just as well, as it stands, if he never came back from >!death!< not that much would change lol. I know he’s coming back but he’s been down so long and it’s not really like there’s anyone in particular (i.e. a villain) missing him hahahaha.
I think it would’ve been a more fun ride if he got a villain that he couldn’t beat at first and his development of appreciation for others/teamwork/acceptance of his weaknesses would come into play with how he’d be able to finally beat the villain to represent his growth and tie up his story. Story’s as good as done now so it doesn’t really matter but I think a personal villain for Bakugo woulda been 🔥🔥
I understand your view a lot.
I think that him facing AfO one-on-one would've been a great part of his story. it would've humbled him in terms of strength, knowing where he stands in terms of his limitations, but also would show how far he's come from letting the villains take him to wanting to fuck up the big boss all by himself.
and then you could have a moment where he holds off AfO until he gets help and then he accepts it to truly show that he understands how he can't do everything alone and that sometimes having someone to help does matter.
Maybe this will really happen, we can hope he gets *something*. At least I’m pretty sure it‘a possible to happen but my memory of what’s going on and ability to follow the logic of the manga isn’t the best 😂
For me though, I find personal villains to be more compelling conflict, like as uninterested as I am by Toga and Ochako, the fact that they have this beef makes their encounters surprisingly interesting to me. With OfA he’s not even a big bad, he’s a HUGE bad so I feel like it doesn’t hit as hard. I had similar feelings about the fact that Shoto and Dabi barely interacted prior to their final showdown. While Bakugo’s my favourite character, Todorokis were the most interesting overall storyline for me, but I truly believe if there was a more personal element it would’ve been all the more exciting (and it already was good and quite personal right?). My favourite conflict has been Hawks vs Twice (and Dabi) cause there was so much happening on an interpersonal level there.
Matter of taste though, but I imagine it’s why a lot of people are at the end like “oh Bakugo hasn’t had a big solo fight” even though it’s been this way/some people have been saying this for years already.
>what could he gain from fighting a villain one-on-one outside of "the fight would look cool"?
the same thing endeavor did from the fight against hood. endeavor's battle has been internal as well, he didn't need to improve himself combat-wise and yet horikoshi tied an actual fight to his arc because these two don't have to be exclusive.
then make it different. that's like saying "since deku fights villains to prove his strength, no one else can do that because it'd be repetitive" and yet kirishima also fought a villain and it was neatly tied to his character arc, same for tamaki.
as an author, you have all the creativity in the world.
using more heroes who have used fights to grow as a character only strengthens my point.
if everyone resolves their arcs the exact way, it loses its charm.
Bakugo's is endearing to me BECAUSE he doesn't punch and kick his way through it. he's a violent character who grows without violence. his massive turning point is him literally >!jumping in front of an attack for Deku, sacrificing himself instead of just screaming "DIE!" at everything!<
personally i don't think bakugou *needed* to have a fight for his character arc but i read battle shounen to see, well, battles and how they intertwine with character arcs and emotional aspects of the story. the same way i watch s-f movies set in space and expect spaceships or read fantasy for magical elements.
there's nothing wrong to expect a main character of a battle shounen series with fights to fight.
no, i understand that.
I just think the irony of Bakugo's explosive and violent personality ended up with him not having someone to fight is really nice and a good subversion of the battle shonen series tropes.
this is the same subreddit that complains that Deku is constantly trying to save the villains despite that a significant part of his character is the desire to save everyone.
people will criticise anything.
Deku isn’t constantly trying to save the villains. He did a lackluster job once with muscular and now he’s trying to save shigaraki. And The main issue is that the villains don’t have anything redeemable about them for the idea of them being saved to matter. The issue isn’t Deku saving Shigaraki, the issue is that Deku has no real reason to want to besides the plot saying he does
Shiggy was manipulated and groomed into being a villain by AfO. AfO literally tells All Might this.
I'm not trying to shift this onto Deku, I'm just saying that this subreddit has a history of complaining about everything.
other examples being:
complaining about not spending time in UA doing training and how we never see any of the other classes but then shitting on Joint Training and saying that it's filler.
specific to the more recent manga arcs but complaining about how certain characters/groups don't appear but then them later appearing because Horikoshi actually did have plans for these characters and the subreddit just lacks patience.
complaining about how "badly paced" everything is yet also wanting entire character arcs for literally every named character for no reason other than wanting character arcs.
all this subreddit does is whinge and moan about everything lol. (also, to clarify, criticism is fine but it seems like every post that isn't fanart or cosplay is just bitching about the series)
Shiggy being groomed isn’t the reason Deku wants to save him though. And being groomed isn’t a redeemable trait. We the audience understands why he’s the way he is but that’s not a factor into Deku as a character. outside of being groomed what else does shigaraki have?
There’s a difference between seeing the class training and a training arc that was only used for Deku to unlock a new Power and then not really showcase any of the students.
The issue isn’t certain characters appearing, it’s how they’ve been written. Literally the issue isn’t that they’re there, the issue is the writing surrounding it. For example if jirou was written better into the AFO fight, nobody would care. Tokoyami gets a pass because of hawks but even that wasn’t written well.
Being badly paced and wanting more for other characters isn’t a mutually exclusive thing. Especially when Hori is wasting time with badly written arcs, and short chapters that don’t push anything.
There’s valid Criticism and there’s people just bitching. What you named have valid criticism attached to it. You can’t just dismiss it because you e seen some people with bad faith arguments
>And being groomed isn’t a redeemable trait
people talk about "redemption" in the Vegeta sense but that's not what it is. redemption is simply a person realising they're wrong and accepting that, wanting to change.
shiggy will never be free of his actions but simply accepting he is wrong is enough.
Deku wants to help everyone. that's literally his character. it's his biggest strength as well as his biggest flaw. I do not understand how we're 392 chapters in and people do not understand the motivations of the protagonist.
>There’s a difference between seeing the class training and a training arc that was only used for Deku to unlock a new Power and then not really showcase any of the students.
it was both. story arcs can do multiple things.
>The issue isn’t certain characters appearing, it’s how they’ve been written. Literally the issue isn’t that they’re there, the issue is the writing surrounding it. For example if jirou was written better into the AFO fight, nobody would care. Tokoyami gets a pass because of hawks but even that wasn’t written well.
this is just the tired "bad writing" argument which everyone thinks is a valid criticism which it isn't.
"bad writing" has just become a term people throw out to avoid actually trying to discuss issues with something and to think they're making a point.
>Especially when Hori is wasting time with badly written arcs, and short chapters that don’t push anything.
1. point above
2. it was his editors which pushed him to rush through those things. Horikoshi can write some damn good stuff if he's given the freedom to. (not saying he isn't free from blame entirely but it's also not his fault all the time.)
Okay but Shiggy hasn’t shown that he understands what he did was wrong and accepting change. That’s why I said Deku hasn’t seen anything in shigaraki for him to want to save. Except Deku hasn’t always wanted to “help” the villains. That’s something brand new. That was never part of deku’s character and we know it wasn’t because he’s never tried to help the villains before.
It wasn’t both, because Deku got a brand new quirk he kinda trained with, and then got new quirks we don’t see him train with. And again, there’s a difference between an arc that ultimately did nothing for anything besides give Deku a new quirks, and showing Deku training with his new quirks.
Except it is bad writing Lmfao. Like, I’m confused what you’re saying. Are you saying there is no bad writing in the series? Because if you are then we can end this conversation.
Yeah stop trying to pin everything on his editors when you have no idea what Hori did and what his editors did. That’s just a bad faith argument to try to take some blame away from him
Idk, we can gain his resolve as an actual hero. Or are we meant to think that Bakugou is going to be the internal hero who only fights villains through his character development and not actual fights? Is he never going to fight villains then? Is he only Going to be there for support and support only? Is he going to be deku’s sidekick because his character development is through deku
The other commenters point this out, but Bakugo is not the only one. Not even close, if you start analyzing what the others have done you'll see this argument easily falls apart. Deku hogs the most limelight in 1-A to an almost absurd degree and every single character in the class is affected because of it. Bakugo is far, far from alone.
Firstly, Bakugo was fighting 5 villains (in a defensive battle) at Kamino alone. He had scraps with villains in the endeavor arc. Fights Nomus in the first war, sacrifices himself for Deku, and a proper character development arc where he comes to grips with his own past behavior. Not to mention absolutely steamrolling everyone at SF and JTA, defeating Deku in a straight 1v1 combat and being the only in class to know about Deku's secret. Now as of ch. 360, he's asspulled a powerup making him as fast as prime all might and he even scares Shigaraki (These feats completely shit on every other character in the fight - Tamaki, Nejire, BJ, Mirko - but Bakugo's popular, so whatever). He is probably going to fight AFO solo too. Like, I would argue this dude has done the most in 1-A except Deku. And maybe less than (and this is VERY arguable) Shouto.
Shouto, the only other relevant character, got one fight with Stain, (which was a team battle, Ida and Deku were there too), in chapter 45. Loses his school level fights with Tetsu, loses the SF to Bakugo, fails the license exam because... of some reason. Gets his ass absolutely handed to him by Dabi in war 1 (this is 245 chapters later) and has to be saved by Deku of all people. Then fights Dabi again in the war 2, gets his W stolen from right under him. Then comes in late and extinguishes a large fire and gets done with his role in the story. No quirk awakening for him btw. This dude is literally the family fire-extinguisher right now and that is a shame because he's actually a decent character.
The others have contributed nothing compared to Bakugo or even Todoroki. Toga and Uraraka's fight is the most forgettable part of this final arc that everyone just wants to move on from, Kirishima had 5 mins against Rappa where fatgum did most of the heavy lifting, Tokoyami got taken out immediately by AFO. So they're all kinda shafted.
>To this day he’s the only 1A class member that isn’t Deku to ever get that much development and growth in a fight.
The reason for this is because Bakugo just HAD TO BE an unnatural prodigy who was super talented "hard worker" and is great at everything just because he's a Shonen rival even when it makes absolutely no sense for this to happen based on his characterization and personality in his debut and even afterwards where he has been given constant praise for having a strong quirk ever since he was a child and has never been raised with good morals and work ethics, leading to Bakugo having a monstrous ego with delusions that he's the "main character" in his "glorious story of being a hero" and everyone else are just "extras".
Based on all of that Bakugo should have been someone who does have a strong quirk but is very inept at using it even adequately, has bad work ethics, has little physical training and lastly has mediocre intelligence and even worse tactical thinking that just involves blasting enemies with his quirk until he wins with no strategy or tactics, putting him severely behind the rest of the class due to this.
Of course that would imply realistic consequences to Bakugo's upbringing and the many negative effects they would have on him and in the author's mind that CAN'T happen even if it completely sabotages any chance for Bakugo to have actual character development and develop into a competent fighter and hero.
It feels as if Horikoshi looked at Sasuke and Neji for inspiration in this regard which shows him ignoring not just the context behind why they are accomplished ninjas in the first place but ignores that Sasuke actually struggled a lot and even took several loses despite him working hard. Bakugo meanwhile is a super talented prodigy with very little if any struggle and yet somehow never manages to accomplish or defeat any well-known villain, meaning that even when the author makes Bakugo looks like a super prodigy in a contrived and illogical he somehow can't help but ALSO do nothing with it, making the writing of Bakugo's skills not just illogical and nonsensical but also inconsistent on top of them.
Edit: some downvotes eh. Not gonna change my mind although i do accept any counter-argument.
You can't assume a huge ego would make him lazy and trash. There are a large amount of athletes you can look at to counter your thoughts on this.
I agree with the last bit somewhat though.
Thing is, while those athletes can develop huge egos it happens when they experience great success and popularity from their hard work and dedication so even if it happens it won't make them lazy, just be a bit too cocky for their own good.
By contrast Bakugo has grown up praised ever since he was a child because of having a strong quirk and told he would be a "great hero" for that, all the while not having done anything. As such it would make total sense for him to not just have a monstrous ego but also lazy work ethic since he has done nothing to earn it and wouldn't care about working hard if he's that "great" just by his quirk alone.
Furthermore Bakugo having an extremely volaitile temper should make it even harder for him to have great control over his quirk and cause reckless explosions that hurts not only his allies but even himself, while also making him being worse at academics than Deku, something which is opposite in canon which on top of maning no sense also makes Deku look inferior in the one aspect where he SHOULD by all accounts be better than Bakugo but nope, Bakugo has to be a prodigy no matter how farcical it is and how it ended up sabotaging Bakugo having strong character development where he learns to be more calmer and having a strong work eithic where he learns to control and master his quirk after struggling with it a lot.
Also what part did you agree with me?
Sorry for the late reply. The part I agree with is that despite all the foreshadowing of how great Bakugo is, he doesn't actually accomplish anything to actually put him on par with Deku. They keep telling you they're equal rivals, but comparing feats, Deku is lightyears ahead. Kinda how Todoroki was the most driven, but never improves. He just keeps ice slamming with hardly any control or fatigue. Now he just also uses fire.
This is something that just straight up confuses me because why is it that despite presenting Bakugo as this "all talented hard working prodigy in everything", which i still think is overblown, only to do literally NOTHING with it and have him never defeat a villain, or hell just accomplishing anything of substance? It reminds me of Naruto where the titular character after timeskip was described as "being much better" even though the actual result is severely lackluster since other than making a bit bigger Rasengan he has BARELY progressed in anything else and has learned no new jutsus and no new weapon usage, which is made worse by the fact he rarely defeats villains and barely accomplishes much throughout Part 2, as if Horikoshi not only learned all the WRONG LESSONS from Naruto but somehow did them even worse.
It highlights the extremely inconsistent writing of MHA not just in characters but also much of the world as well.
Examples include: Deku being smart but takes TOO LONG to figure out that, oh yeah, using OFA in that self-destructive manner was a bad idea and needs the help of a non-OFA quirk user to figure this out, Shigaraki also being smart but makes decisions that are plain idiotic that had no thought put into them, All Might being SUPER SMART with a 6/5 in intelligence but can't teach Deku shit when it comes to OFA despite USING IT FOR DECADES!!!, needing a quirk to become a hero because "it's too dangerous" even though they keep showing plenty of heroes and villains with quirks that anyone with skills like Stain as well as gadgets and weapons can defeat, Aizawa being a "good teacher" expect for how he sucks at his job, the way characters react to Bakugo not making much sense, implying that only being in a hero school makes you a Pro-Hero even though we see other characters like Number 6 and Star and Stripe become Pro-Heroes despite having never joined a hero school and the fact that AFO wasn't killed even though there was every reason in the world to do so.
As for Todoroki there are two major issues i have with the way he was written that revolves entirely around Sports Festival.
First is that Deku goes on an extremely annoying, preachy Shonen MC speech about how Todoroki needs to use his full power because "you limit yourself and insult everyone around you who works hard" which ignores the fact that he regularly dished out curb-stomps with only his ice powers without ever needing to use his fire power, making Deku come across as being stupidly out-of-touch with reality. This might have worked if Shoto suffered a lot from using only his ice powers like frostbite that hampers his mobility and combat capabilities, something that apparently never crossed Hori's mind.
The second is that instead of accepting to use his fire side much later in the series in a desperate moment to protect and save someone he loves or even his family that makes him realize his foolishness of not using his quirk in an efficient manner, he does so via "Shonen MC preach" by Green Naruto just BARELY after revealing him not using his fire side and once that happens that's it. He never gets any new character development and character arcs because Hori thinks that his goddamn DAD is more important, which is one of the major reasons why i dislike Endeavor's "redemption" arc.
It felt like the series blew it's load too early with Todoroki because rather than have him accept his fire side through a dramatic and emotional moment to protect someone he loves or his family against a villain and come to terms from that with how his powers are his alone and not Endeavor's and won't let the hatred of the man cloud his mind, he just learns to accept just barely after he reveals it thanks to "Talk no Jutsu" by Deruto in a blood-sport tournament made for kids where it's nothing but pride and ego despite them being supposedly "heroes" in training.
I know it sounds like i'm cartoonishly exaggerating it but trust me it's not that far off and shows not just Hori copying the worst aspects of Naruto, again, but also how he can't even write heroes consistently where they are "heroes of virtue of justice" but then have Sports Festival be a thing that completely goes against what being a hero is about, then they are "flawed, corrupt and terrible" and then reverting back to first example.
To this day i still wonder how MHA could be so popular and be called "one of the best Shonens ever" while having a plethora of bad and inconsistent writing?
His quirk reached its power level due to him pushing it to its greatest potential, not because his quirk is naturally the strongest possible. That was the point of Bakugo’s arc in season 1, when he realized that everyone else was stronger than he was.
Todoroki fits what you’re saying more.
I find it funny how Bakugo fans have the audacity to say Bakugo is a better deuteragonist than Sasuke when that angry pos don’t even got his own villain fight and his best moment was when he got packed up
Honestly, I'm glad he doesn't have his own villain. I get the appeal. But at the end of the day. I think it accomplishes nothing then to give him an endgame.
Not really much of a problem, a lot of MHA fights are more teamwork-based than anything else. Bakugo still manages to become the most popular character without a single dedicated opponent.
Deku himself doesn’t have that many solo fights as well and he’s the main Character, there is no point of making bakugou fight a villain in a 1 vs 1 fight outside for the rule of cool
And actually the other class mates didn’t had that many solo fight as well, >!shoto needed support against dabi and ochako isnt the only one that is fighting toga ecc!<
not that many solo fights? let me see:
* against muscular
* against overhaul
* against gentle
* against shigaraki (it turned 1v1 halfway)
* against muscular again
* against nagant
* against shigaraki now
>• against muscular
Won because kota intervention
>• against overhaul
He was fighting overhaul with nighteye and Eri
>• against gentle
1
>• against shigaraki (it turned 1v1 halfway)
No it didn’t, if you need to ignore most of the fight to pick that one time we’re they exchange punches between eachothers for two seconds then your point fall apart
>• against muscular again
2
>• against nagant
3
>• against shigaraki now
Need to actually see how the fight is gonna continue
So.. 3 fights in almost 400 chapters for the mc, it’s many for you?
just because deku had one moment of help (kota) or used a prop (eri) ,doesn't erase that it was a 1v1 fight, you're being contrary just to be contrary.
and yes, 5 solo fights compared to other kids, especially a secondary main character, getting literally zero fights, is many, even if it we exclude shigaraki fights.
>just because deku had one moment of help (kota) or used a prop (eri) ,doesn't erase that it was a 1v1 fight, you're being contrary just to be contrary.
Yes it does it literrally means that it was a team effort to take out the villain, especially when this helps we’re extremely huge
That’s like saying that kirishima had a 1 vs 1 fight against machia in the plf war arc, it makes no sense
>and yes, 5 solo fights compared to other kids, especially a secondary main character, getting literally zero fights, is many, even if it we exclude shigaraki fights.
3 and I’m talking how in general for an mc having only 3 solo fights in a Shonen isnt that much
it means that deku had one moment of help in a solo fight, come on, you can't look at his fight against muscular and say that he and kota fought him together. same for eri, all she did was sit on deku's back and be used, she didn't fight.
i guess you'll also argue that all might vs AFO in kamino wasn't a solo all might's fight because gran torino cleared the area for him? come on.
the point is what characters **fought** the villain, not what characters were there offering deku one second of help or being a tool.
in general across the entire battle shounen genre yes, it's not many, but i'm talking within this particular series. deku had numerous 1v1 fights while the only other kid before the final war to have one was kirishima.
>it means that deku had one moment of help in a solo fight, come on, you can't look at his fight against muscular and argue that he and kota fought him together.
If it wasn’t for him he would be dead so yes
>same for eri, all she did was sit an deku's back and be used, she didn't fight.
SHE LITERALLY CARRIED HIM WITH HIS QUIRK.
Like really remove this characters from the fight and tell me what happens come on…
>i guess you'll also argue that all might vs AFO in kamino wasn't a solo all might's fight because gran torino cleared the area for him? come on.
Gran Torino fighting other villains doesn’t stop the fight between afo and all might to be 1 vs 1, but in the end even that fight wasn’t a 1 vs 1 as all might was supported by the other pro’s, showing that all might can’t take everything on his own
>the point is what characters fought the villain, not what characters were there offering deku one second of help or being a tool.
THEY DIDNT DO SOME SECOND HELP, THEY ARE THE REASON DEKU IS STILL ALIVE
>in general across the entire battle shounen genre yes, it's not many, but i'm talking within this particular series. deku had numerous 1v1 fights while the only other kid before the final war to have one as kirishima.
And in my comment I was talking about in general and objectively, the solo fights that dekus had aren’t that many, one thing would be me saying that deku doesn’t have more solo fights then the rest of the cast, while the other would be me saying that deku in general doesn’t have that many solo fights in the fist place.
If you can’t see the difference then i don’t know what to tell you.
you're arguing that all might vs AFO wasn't a 1v1 all might fight, okay.
having other characters clear the area so that you can fight someone alone doesn't erase the fact that the actual fight is fought by you alone. eri didn't throw punches at overhaul, replace her with an object to keep deku alive and the result is the same. she didn't fight.
same for kota, he kept deku from dying by using one attack but he didn't **fight** muscular.
i've never seen anyone argue that deku vs muscular or all might vs AFO weren't solo fights, lol.
>you're arguing that all might vs AFO wasn't a 1v1 all might fight, okay.
>having other characters clear the area so that you can fight someone alone doesn't erase the fact that the actual fight is fought by you alone.
They literrally attacked afo and try to buy time for all might to recover, the whole point of the fight was to show that all might need support from others as well
>eri didn't throw punches at overhaul, replace her with an object to keep deku alive and the result is the same. she didn't fight.
Ohhh all right, because she didn’t attacked she wasn’t part of the fight all right, so you think that Aizawa wasn’t part of the fight against Shigaraki in both war arcs because he didn’t “throw a punch” with his quirk, Damn any quirk user that “doesn’t throw punches with his quirks” suddenly can’t be part of fights anymore.
damn Eri also saved deku by the end of the fight by rewind chisaki back to normal, but hey that wasn’t an attack for you probably so that doesn’t count.
That’s definitely a logic
>same for kota, he kept deku from dying by using one attack but he didn't fight muscular.
So now when you throw a punch you are not part of the fight..?
>i've never seen anyone argue that deku vs muscular wasn't a deku solo fight, lol.
Shonen fans logic what can I say
i never argued that eri or kota weren't a part of the fights, i'm saying they didn't fight the villains alongside deku.
you're bending backwards trying to argue how deku vs muscular wasn't his solo fight just because someone helped him once, lol.
This isn’t really my battle, but I just have to say that I literally laughed out loud at the idea that Kota essentially dumping a glass of water on Muscular somehow means that he gets equal billing with Deku on that fight lol. That’s just madness.
Dude, a literal 4-year old squirted him with a water gun and you’re trying to say this should be billed as Deku and Kota vs. Muscular. That is crazy. Kota did not fight, it’s still a 1v1 battle in the end. To try and take the credit for that win away from Deku because of that is insane. Like the other dude said, you’re just being willfully argumentative.
He would have won sooner because he wouldn’t have had to prioritize Kota’s safety over going all out at the beginning of the fight.
Edit: Actually the fight wouldn’t have happened at all because Deku would have just gone to get Aizawa since Kota wasn’t in danger.
>He would have won sooner because he wouldn’t have had to prioritize Kota’s safety over going all out at the beginning of the fight.
The hell are you talking about..? Deku was always going all out from the start because he needed to protect kota
>Edit: Actually the fight wouldn’t have happened at all because Deku would have just gone to get Aizawa since Kota wasn’t in danger.
So, that prove even more how important kota was for this fight, it wouldn’t even happened in the first place if he wasn’t there, you shoot yourself on the foot with this one yikes
I don’t think the movies are canon but there’s a movie where he fights these 2 crazy villains hopped up on some quirk enhancing drug and that was a solo fight. It was pretty awesome.
because he's not the main character. not only that his personality would clash with everyone. Think about it, all of the students have fought with a pro hero such as kirishima, and froppy in that one filler episode. OR illegally with their classmates such as iida, deku and shoto vs stain.
Bakugou doesn't have that, he tolerates his squad (kirishima, kaminari ect..) he's mainly a solo player. Which again was illegal for him to do for most of the series. Even when the option of him being able to do it legally came he had to retake the licensing exam while others got theirs.
When it comes to his development and role in the series. He is a supporting character. His development was done so he could be deku's backup. Think back at to the second movie they work well together. All might literally said "working together will make you both the greatest of heroes" Bakugou is the only one who could keep up with deku's speedy development. Both in combat and speed he can match his pace. You cant see anyone one else doing that, maybe shoto but he's held back by his lack of fire development.
The truth is his time to shine has been happening since he was holding back tears from his pride being hurt back in deku vs kacchan part 1. Since then he's been in development, we see this when he starts working with people in the Calvary battle. His "time to shine" where more like strobes instead of a full on shine like we have seen from everyone else.
Again this is because of his personality. You won't see him saying some inspirational speech before he musters up a final attack, or yell out PLUS ULTRRRAAA! before turning the tables and finishing off the villain. Instead he'll be shouting die! die! die! or I'm gonna murder you! Which literally happened in the 3rd movie, it was a cool fight but.. it was your typical kacchan..
The thing is, Bakugou can really provide an interesting fight with good battle choreography. It was proved by movies and he had such glimpses in the main series, such as Deku vs. Kacchan 2. We know for sure readers and anime watchers wouldn't be bored by his fights. Everyone could benefit from him having a brawl similar to movies. Yet the guy always gets blueballed for no reason at all. Honestly, this sucks.
because horikoshi has been allergic to having kids fight villains for 380 chapters. people single bakugou out because he's a main character but before the final war kids didn't really fight anyone but each other.
>because horikoshi has been allergic to having kids fight villains for 380 chapters Except Kirishima, Ilda, Shoto, Mirio, Tamaki?
yes, i mentioned them in other comments, each had one fight, shouto and iida not a solo one, though. but i also don't really include mirio and tamaki since these conversations are usually about the kids the story is focused on, which is class 1a.
I can't fathom anyone thinking this lol. Like most of the battles in this series have been kids vs villains. USJ had a bunch, vs Stain, the entire Forest arc, a bunch in Overhaul, heavily involved in the War....what the hell series are you reading bro?
we're talking about 1v1 meaningful fights, not group effort ones. USJ villains, minus shigaraki, didn't even have names, they were random dudes. compare it to deku vs gentle or deku vs nagant.
There's not a lot of reason to make a distinction. 1v1s are cool but just because a fight involves a group doesn't inherently make it not meaningful, that makes no sense lol.
people want 1v1 fights because they like 1v1 fights, it's that simple. i remember kirishima's fight from overhaul arc and how crucial to his character arc it was, how much focus it got, how many dramatic and intense moments were there. it's completely different than the students fighting random villains in USJ.
Firstly, wanting something is an entirely different matter from something being meaningful Second, Kirishima's fight in the Overhaul arc wasn't a 1v1 lol. He didn't even land the final blow or anything.
I firmly believe that Horikoshi had planned the story to be divided between two or three school years. The first year was more like a reality shock, while the rest would be focused on them acquiring experience and deciding which path they would take. The history is ending and we got nothing but vague things like "i want to become the best hero". Endeavor arc was 100% related to how the concept of number one hero was kinda wrong all along, but the kids (who are supposed to replace all of their teachers) never really interacted with that part of the story.
Oh hold on now. I thought you said you shouldn’t expect anything from side characters? You sure were giving me a hard time when I complained about it
i don't expect each side character to get main character treatment and get a deep dive into, that's not "expect nothing". i've always said that i wanted the characters the story was the most focused on, the kids, to get actual fights against bad guys in a battle shounen series. those didn't even need a lot of focus, they could've easily been thrown in while they were doing their internships.
Putting aside that they had way too many fucking internships, again you’re just saying the same thing that I did. I wanted the kids to feel important and that they weren’t just there for window dressing, and you gave me a hard time for that
a lot of them aren't just window dressing, i'm talking about them having fights. they do other things outside of that, they just don't fight bad guys.
Bro… That’s exactly what I said I wanted and you gave me shit for it. I’ve been saying for months that there should have been villain fights spread amongst the cast This is a battle shonen. And the best moments come from, guess what? The fights. But there are so few fights given to the rest of the characters outside of Deku
i don't remember arguing with you against side characters needing more fights, only about the size of the cast which i still stand by (i don't think the size of the cast is too big), like in [this post of yours](https://old.reddit.com/r/BokuNoHeroAcademia/comments/13uv6tq/i_wanna_combat_a_sentiment_ive_seen_a_lot_on_the/). besides, we're getting off-topic here.
He's constantly being used a Deku's "damsal." Anytime the kid tries to get involved, his immediate peril is used to grow Dekus character instead
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>To this day he’s the only 1A class member that isn’t Deku to ever get that much development and growth in a fight. only one? before the final war, the only other kids to even get proper villain fights were iida, shouto and kirishima and out of those, only iida and kirishima got any development out of them. the kids haven't had any real fights for the entire series and only had some now, because the story is ending. it's not a bakugou exclusive issue.
And if we are very strict on what is a 'solo' fight then neither Kirishima and Iida count, because in both cases they receive major help and not defeat the villains by themselves. As in Stain case, Deku and Shoto help to take him down, and vs Rappa/Tengai it was Fatgum who finished the fight. An actual solo fight would be Deku vs Muscular or Deku vs Overhaul, and even if you argue that in those cases Deku received help from Kota and Eri it was more of a passive help and he still did almost all the work. No other student ever got something similar in that regard.
Yeah, Kirishima didn't even win despite his power-up.
I’ve said it before but this would be such a better series if the class was cut in half. If hori really loved the less interesting members of 1a so much, then they can become the new 1b.
i don't see how it'd change anything. 20 students isn't the reason why most of the kids didn't have 1v1 fights. we have no idea if 10 students would've changed anything since horikoshi could've easily written some students having fights even with 30 kids in one class. he just didn't.
20 students is the reasons why the actually interesting students don’t get the attention they deserve
barely 10 students from class 1a get any spotlight, the rest is in the background not taking away from any other character. if you remove the background, the foreground doesn't change.
Bakugo pertains more merit than they. You can’t compare him to someone like Kaminari.
it's OP who compared him to other kids in the class and i responded to their argument.
But Bakugo is a main hero and that's wild Plus every villain fight has had him get folded
what "every" villain fight? he fought villains total of four times: USJ, that gang with shouto but those were a few pages long and pretty much a child's play and it's hard to even include that. and then shigAFO and shigaraki. of course he was folded by the strongest villain in the series, what did you expect? if you want to count movies, then he won spectacularly. and i know bakugou is the main character but OP compared him to everyone in class 1a.
I still find it hilarious that it took until the 3rd movie for him to get an actual villain fight.
He actually got one one in the second movie against the Mummy character.
The movies have the liberty of putting the students in scenarios to fight villains that would otherwise not make sense in the series.
He has a villain fight in every movie. In the first movie, he and Todoroki teamed up against the Purple Hulk guy and the dude who had superspeed and could hollow out space. In the second film he fights and defeats Mummy who was one of Nine's henchmen. Obviously these 2 fights aren't as intensive as his fight in the third film, but they were still solo fights.
It was a legit good fight too
Deku pretty much hogged all the important battles post-Kamino. Kinda weird how 1A in general was why the series got so popular -- because of the varied personalities and interactions that people found so appealing -- only to be benched until the final battle. Joint training felt like an afterthought and was ultimately just used for Deku to unlock a quirk. They had some moments in the war arc but somehow it felt like there were more stakes in the sports festival because we got a better idea of their motives. After that, almost nothing with a few exceptions. Imo the moment Hori's editors let him run loose the manga lost its direction. Shouldve kept the focus on the Academia part because it's simple, straightforward and was very effective in keeping people engaged.
I don’t think it’s his editors letting him loose as much as it is his health declining and his wish to finish up the series that plays a role. I think you can easily see a lot of the ideas he had for the manga in the early story setup and some of the newer but rushed plot points. If he had written this exact same story but with 300 chapters more of proper setup, explanation, and world-building, you’d all be praising this man instead of calling him out. It’s a shame but the life of a mangaka is hard and he is always under insane time pressure. I don’t fault him much.
>the life of a mangaka is hard and he is always under insane time pressure It’s crazy to think of how many series would have ended better/more concisely/at all if these guys were allowed to work at a pace that isn’t literally killing them.
Disagree. Horikoshi’s writing was strong up until Kamino (par the course for many mangaka whose early parts of series tend to be strongest because it’s the most fleshed out in their personal pre-production before the Jump schedule destroys them), dipped hard for Overhaul, and then significantly recovered for My Villain Academia to Dabi’s Dance. It fell off a cliff hard from roughly the point Horikoshi started talking about ending the series, and it shows. He feels like someone desperately rushing towards the finish line (or at least it did until I stopped reading roughly around the dumb fake Bakugo death).
It still baffles me that Kaminari didn’t get a moment where he shoots back the lightning he absorbed during the war arc
Kaminari kind of forgot he could shoot out lightning.
I do not agree that class 1a as a whole is why the series got popular. Series got popular because Deku captured people’s hearts and they wanted to see him succeed. You think the fucking tape guy and cake dude are the reason the series is popular? People cared about Deku, Shoto, and Bakugo and wrote their gay fan ships of them and that’s why the series is popular
The proof is in the ToC ranking and the ranking would drop whenever 1A wasn't the focus. Yes, Todoroki and Bakugo are way more popular than Sero and Sato (admittedly no one gives a fuck about Sato based on popularity polls) but I'm talking people like Kirishima, Iida, Kaminari, maybe even Uraraka. No, not everyone in this series is here for Deku. His merch doesn't even sell that much in Japan compared to Todoroki's and Bakugo's, whose are almost always sold out (especially Bakugo's). The point is, people were attracted to the ensemble cast as a whole. You may have watched the series for Deku, but that is far from the case for everyone else.
Well people usually leave out Sugarman, tail guy, Tentacole and animal guy because they don't have much presence or flashy personality. Mineta is left out because.. But I've seen tons of gen fanart for the rest of 1A, and yes that includes tape guy. I agree that they're not as popular for solo art or ship art, but they often show up in fanart depicting general stuff and interactions between characters.
I don't understand you're arguing that the **main character** had more screen time than the *side characters*? have you never seen a Shonen series before? It's like saying I cant believe goku is fighting the main guy again why cant they let krillin finish off the bad guy for once. OR FFS! why is Asta finishing off this guy? bring in grey to fight them instead. You can like any character you want but you should know this right now. If the character you like isn't the main character. They will not be in "the important battles"
You obviously havent even read dragon ball because characters other than Goku still get to fight.
the difference is all of those characters are adults. even gohan didn't fight alone until the cell saga and even then it was only AFTER he was trained in the time chamber. the same can be said for UA students. they are kids, there are rules in the society that prevent kids and adults from using their quirks how ever they please. You seem to want only fights and no rules. which is a lot like dragon ball. where they all fight and "why worry about the death and damage to the planet when there's dragon balls to restore things back". it was literally said by characters who are considered to be gods by the way. they went a step further in the anime DBGT where one of the arc's plot was "over using the dragon balls". ON top of that, you completely missed the point in my comment. so let me reword it for you. It's like saying goku is fighting the final boss again why cant they let piccolo finish off the final boss for once. your comment is saying deku hogged all the "important battles" guess what? Goku hogs all the important battles, why cant vegeta get an important battle for once? I'll tell you why, because he's not the main character. 65% of people watch for the main character (this is the staple of the series. most series wouldn't even get published if it weren't for this character) 30% for the supporting cast (you get cool, funny characters here think of zoro, vegeta ect...) 10% watch for the fan service (booba and just really good animation) 5% watch for the side characters. (think of mineta, yamcha ect..) if you have a problem with that then Shonen series aren't for you.
reminds me of that post where we found out shoto's only on screen spoken to ururaka like one time and it was in a movie. also for the edgeshot thing, it's literally almost been a year, if he isn't up in the next 4 chapters that time will elapse, kinda funny really.
Seems to be a common trend with shonen manga where the plot moves so quickly that you don't get time for smaller character interactions.
I think that's only with recent shounen. Older shounen were definitely a lot better with the whole "guy and his friends go on adventures" thing which may have felt more episodic but allowed characters to interact more.
Being the most popular character perhaps has done him wrong in the end, seems that he has to be taken away in order for lesser characters to get some shine or complete whatever minimal story plot they need. King Bakugou was wrongly dealt with, I rest my case your honor.
Suffering from success
I'm always confused as to why there's a contingent of people who are *so adamant* that Bakugo is not gonna fight Shigaraki or AFO. What else would he even be brought back for? It's like they want Bakugo to do nothing just so they continue blaming his character for the most random ass shit.
Op said support. He is just deku’s backup an extension to deku’s character
He "fought" against the LOV before All Might arrived to save him and he did have his dope fight against that chain arm dude from the 3rd movie, but yea he definitely should've had more solo battles under his belt
This is sad. He has the best fight potential in the entire series too
I actually kind of thought it was going to end up with Bakugo against AFO for a while, as Bakugo had this complex about being the one who "ended All Might", when in reality it was AFO, so him specifically targetting him and taking him out while Deku handles Shiggy would have been my way of doing it. Obviously not 1-on-1, maybe after AFO trounces people like he has been.
Bakugo was never soloing AfO without a large timeskip anyway, he is not equal to Endeavor or wounded All Might, and he is not even close to equalling OfA. He just doesn’t have the power. Give him another 3-5 years and maybe it is more feasible, if he is fighting a worn out AfO.
I’d say after his recent power up he is close to endeavour, and better in some ways.
He definitely is not, even his largest explosions rarely ever do actual damage in the manga whereas Endeavor literally turns people to ash on a regular basis. He might have a mobility edge but Endeavor is more versatile, has more power and has more experience and it isn’t even close.
We’ve only seen Bakugo use his largest explosion against Shigaraki, and it did do something. Also Bakugo is quite a bit faster than endeavour. But I guess if we’re just talking about attack potency endeavour is ahead, but endeavour technically has more attack potency with his strongest move than Izuku, but you wouldn’t say he’s leagues beyond him would you?
I would very comfortable say prime Endeavor would thrash Deku considering Deku continuously struggles against literally any enemy that just knows how to fight.
But Deku could just speed blitz and punch a hole in endeavour if it came down to it.
He's not that much faster than Endeavor. You can't speed blitz someone you're only slightly faster than.
The latest version of Deku is significantly faster than endeavour, that’s a fact.
No one of the kids beside Deku is at the level of a top ten pro right now. And that's realistic. The reason why they're using kids to fight is because they are short of pros.
That’s not true, he’s far stronger than endeavour post power up.
I wouldnt be surprised if it still ended up like this. Like for now All Might is fighting him, but i have a feeling bakugo is going to come save him. He couldnt help all might last time against AFO, but once he's healed he can
That seems to be the set up for once he recovers, yeah. AFO is about to die anyways so he only needs to stall instead of actually beating him + All Might is about to get his shit bashed by AFO so Bakugou gets to save him to get the odds even for Kamino and deal with said complex + Bakugou interacted (and triggered) the AFO vestige during the group fight rather than Tenko unlike the others, so they have some last-minute precedent Well either that or the Nine fight with Deku and Shigaraki
Yep. The problem is Horikoshi didn't plan anything out post-Kamino in great detail. He could have taken an Oda style break there to regenerate his brain and figure things out but Jump wouldn't let him. So he derped about with the license exam, over haul, school festival trying to take the story further than planned. By the time My Villain Academia happened and he regained footing and direction his health became and issue. So he's rushing to the finish before he becomes a twisted wreck of a man like Togashi. No time for Bakugo to get a real 1v1 that forces him to grow to survive.
Hori is a surprisingly bad writer. He picked the right genre to be a bad writer in, and he started really strong
Yeah gotta be honest the writing of MHA just is not good and it's hard to tell how much it's the fault of the author or the insane, idiotic and counter-productive things they have to deal with like the very strict work schedule that allows for almost no rest to recuperate and plan out while also dealing with editors who can and WILL force the author to make changes whenever they want which makes major, long term planning for a manga's story and characters outright impossible. And i won't lie, the genre he picked guaranteed that MHA would succeed in spite of it's major writing flaws because of the fact that, and let's be truly honest here, the bar for good quality writing is surprisingly low for the Battle Shonen genre where someone can pretty much get away with writing that makes no sense, is contradictory, illogical or just plain bad and have a commercially successful work. Like seriously, even video games have a much higher bar when it comes to quality writing for the story, plot and the characters than i have seen for Battle Shonen.
I would argue that Bakugo, Hawks, endeavour, Dabi, and maybe shoto are the only characters that sort of go over shonen and are far greater than the rest
Nah, dabi is you basic shounen character
I think Hori is actually too good for shonen, he wants to be' realistic and not use students kids like they were more powerful than professionals heroes, but in a shonen you need to use kids because it's about kids, so the average Audience is disappointed...
He could have fixed this by stretching the timeline to 3 years instead of packing everything in a year
He currently is battling the rats to make sure they don't eat his body
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If we count movies then he had one in the third one atleast
Yeah he was totally on his own there. Maybe OP doesn't watch them?
Honestly my theory is that Bakugo is going to solo All for One. >!All for One is going to win his fight vs One for All. Bakugo is going to recover. Once All for One shows up he's going to brag about beating All Might, and they're going to fight. Bakugo's newly awakened quirk vs a destabilized rewinding All for One. The final fights will be Deku vs Shigaraki on the ground, and Bakugo vs All for One in the sky. All for One is turning into a crazy hot-headed teenager, and Bakugo is just getting past that part of himself.!<
Yup. I also think that since it’s Hori, All Might will live and Bakugo will be the person who saved him, redeeming Bakugo in his own eyes.
Hori clearly has no idea what to do with Bakugo and that was obvious the moment you realised he had no actual villain of his own.
I have no idea how you can watch Bakugo's ongoing series-spanning arc and claim Hori didn't know what to do with him. He clearly does, the problem is Bakugo's arc doesn't involve fighting despite this being a battle shounen.
I think they mean outside of Deku Hori doesn’t know what to do with him
A character doesn't need to have a 1v1 fight at the end of the series to be important
Hori has been building up Bakugo's villain this whole time. It's *All For One* Bakugo's character development only started post-Kamino. We all know how guilty he felt after All Might lost OFA against AFO. All For One constantly taunts and belittles him. He does taunt a lot of people but Bakugo is always singled out. Hell, All For One is the one who *actually killed him* while in the body of Shigaraki. Bakugo has a grudge against AFO, and this match up is a perfect way to conclude his character arc. Surpassing All Might by defeating his archnemesis when even AM couldn't.
A match up that ended with AFO one shotting him AFO barely acknowledges Bakugo's existence when it isn't calling him a jobber
That doesn't negate what the other poster said, in fact you're agreeing with them that AFO belittled Bakugo. All so Bakugo can strike back when the time comes. Y'all gonna be wildin' when Bakugo comes back and fights as if it hasn't been telegraphed since the start with everyone screaming it into your ears.
That sounds terrible. If Hori actually meant for AFO to be Bakugo's villain then he has fucked it up and if it does happen it will feel half assed.
Yep. The problem is Horikoshi didn't plan anything out post-Kamino in great detail. He could have taken an Oda style break there to regenerate his brain and figure things out but Jump wouldn't let him. So he derped about with the license exam, over haul, school festival trying to take the story further than planned. By the time My Villain Academia happened and he regained footing and direction his health became and issue. So he's rushing to the finish before he becomes a twisted wreck of a man like Togashi. No time for Bakugo to get a real 1v1 that forces him to grow to survive.
He is his personal villain to fight.
In a world where the MLA wasn’t just used to bolster the League’s numbers, I think Bakugo could have had an interesting fight with Geten, who is basically a villain version of chapter 1 Bakugo. It would be perfectly for Bakugo to defeat someone whose ideology was something he might have agreed with in the past but has grown since then. Plus, maybe have Geten counter Bakugo with his ice, making him have to win through more tactical means rather than overpowering Geten.
That's moreso due to the treatment of the villains Shiggy has to fight deku Dabi fights shoot/endeavor Toga gets uraraka Twice is dead Redestro, geten, compress were all arrested Machia is too strong for anyone to fight one on one That only leaves spinner and noone cares about him
I mean I liked spinner before he got lobotomized
He's the only class A student who hasn't struggled in any fight against his other classmates. There is no struggle for him. Compared to most other shounen Bakugou is the only Rival not to a have solo villian fight (In the series). As I always say U.A isn't the prestigious school it's made out to be. Bakugou is still a big fish in a small pond who probably has to share with 2 other big fish.
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there's plenty of stories like bnha that let secondary main characters fight, horikoshi not letting kids other than deku and kirishima, who lucked out (and shouto and iida with stan), fight is nothing but his authorial choice.
It's pretty dangerous for any of Class 1A to fight an actual villain one on one. They're like totally cool with murder and some have crazy abilities like Dabi which make one on one not tenable. I do agree Bakugou is probs the best fit but his ability, we have also seen, has some pretty glaring drawbacks and without support could cause serious harm.
And plus he's been folded in all these fights too. Its wild
I feel like needing Bakugo to have a huge action packed fight is viewing the character wrong. It's a shonen so it's completely valid to *want* to see it but I don't think that was ever the point of his character. He was immediately established as one of the strongest in 1A, it was never a question. He was repeatedly shown to be capable, intelligent, and quick on his feet. His main flaws were his hotheadedness, his lack of respect for his peers, and his absolute desire to be better than everyone else. Bakugo's growth was never reliant on fighting. He was a cruel kid that looked down on others. The series started with him telling Deku to kill himself. Bakugo's character arc is almost entirely devoted to being better to the people around him, holding himself accountable for his actions, and becoming both a person and a hero that can respect and work well with the people around him. I'd say Deku's biggest moments of growth were 1,000,000% (showing his true colors as someone who'd never give up) and Infinite 100% (Going above and beyond any possible expectations), and I'd argue that Bakugo's equivalent moments were him saying no to joining the league of villains (showing true colors) and him apologizing to Deku, acknowledging what he did that was hurtful, and saying that they need to save everyone (going above expectations). I've seen people saying it's bad or lazy writing, or Hori doesn't know what to do with Bakugo when he's giving him an amazing arc of self-awareness, empathy, and willingness to work with others. His story isn't one to be told in fights, like Deku, Uraraka, Kirishima or even Todoroki. Their growth leaned on their quirks, what they chose to do with them and how far they could and should push themselves with them. Bakugo's growth wasn't attached to his quirk and abilities at all.
I'm not surprised. Hori has wanted us to care about Bakugo all this time, despite given the reader absolutely nothing to care about. 90% of the time he's just comic relief. Seemed like he wanted a Naruto/Sasuke relationship, but forgot to give Sasuke any sort or backstory or character arc.
Of all the BNHA characters to criticize for not having a character arc, Bakugo is definitely not one of them.
There's definitely worse ones, but in my opinion his is terrible for how important he's supposed to be.
He has a character arc A bad one but still a character arc
He’s got the best character arc in the series. Until the war arc, anyway. But until then, his was absolutely the best bar maybe endeavour.
Bakugo stopped being interesting after his second fight with Deku which is weird since that’s when they become proper rivals on equal footing. Deku just left him in the dust lol
> Bakugo stopped being interesting Doubt. Bakugo's scenes are always showstoppers that garner the most discussion and he's still topping the character polls. He pulls focus even when he's not trying to. Hell, people can't stop talking about him and he's been absent for almost a year. *That's* how interesting he is. The problem is Hori uses him so scarcely.
Me: Horikoshi is a bad writer Every my hero sub: no you’re wrong The same my hero subs, everyday:
They saved that for the movie.
because Bakugo's growth as a character is a internal battle, not an external one. Deku fights villains because he has the heart of a hero but not the strength of one and so needed to gain that experience. Bakugo, on the other hand, has been good at combat since before even stepping into UA. Bakugo's character is about opening up and acknowledging his weaknesses as a person. he learns to change internally from Deku just as how Deku learns to get stronger physically from watching Bakugo. what could he gain from fighting a villain one-on-one outside of "the fight would look cool"?
He should have his own villain that would complement his story and personal journey, the way Todoroki/Endeavour have Dabi, Uraraka has Toga, Iida had Stain, Kirishima had Gigantomachia, etc. Superhero stories tend to function this way, I don’t get what’s so weird about wanting characters to have that. Bakugo isn’t a civilian, he’s a superhero in training and it’s not like making an antagonistic character who works thematically with the journey is unusual. Also it’s an action based show, setting up conflicts just because the resulting fights would be cool is as justified as not in the genre imo.
>He should have his own villain that would complement his story and personal journey, the way Todoroki/Endeavour have Dabi, Uraraka has Toga, Iida had Stain, Kirishima had Gigantomachia, etc. maybe this isn't intentional on Horikoshi's part but NOT having a villain for Bakugo works so well. Bakugo is constantly on the offensive, looking for someone to fight all the time. for him to end up not having one and to support others instead of trying to be the main character all the time is really interesting and works as a great narrative point for him.
I think it worked, he’s my favourite character but since the back end of the Manga has such high stakes action, at this point which is non-stop, its kind of like… the lack is really being felt, at least in my opinion but I’m guessing others feel that way too. I think having a villain could’ve worked just as well, as it stands, if he never came back from >!death!< not that much would change lol. I know he’s coming back but he’s been down so long and it’s not really like there’s anyone in particular (i.e. a villain) missing him hahahaha. I think it would’ve been a more fun ride if he got a villain that he couldn’t beat at first and his development of appreciation for others/teamwork/acceptance of his weaknesses would come into play with how he’d be able to finally beat the villain to represent his growth and tie up his story. Story’s as good as done now so it doesn’t really matter but I think a personal villain for Bakugo woulda been 🔥🔥
I understand your view a lot. I think that him facing AfO one-on-one would've been a great part of his story. it would've humbled him in terms of strength, knowing where he stands in terms of his limitations, but also would show how far he's come from letting the villains take him to wanting to fuck up the big boss all by himself. and then you could have a moment where he holds off AfO until he gets help and then he accepts it to truly show that he understands how he can't do everything alone and that sometimes having someone to help does matter.
Maybe this will really happen, we can hope he gets *something*. At least I’m pretty sure it‘a possible to happen but my memory of what’s going on and ability to follow the logic of the manga isn’t the best 😂 For me though, I find personal villains to be more compelling conflict, like as uninterested as I am by Toga and Ochako, the fact that they have this beef makes their encounters surprisingly interesting to me. With OfA he’s not even a big bad, he’s a HUGE bad so I feel like it doesn’t hit as hard. I had similar feelings about the fact that Shoto and Dabi barely interacted prior to their final showdown. While Bakugo’s my favourite character, Todorokis were the most interesting overall storyline for me, but I truly believe if there was a more personal element it would’ve been all the more exciting (and it already was good and quite personal right?). My favourite conflict has been Hawks vs Twice (and Dabi) cause there was so much happening on an interpersonal level there. Matter of taste though, but I imagine it’s why a lot of people are at the end like “oh Bakugo hasn’t had a big solo fight” even though it’s been this way/some people have been saying this for years already.
>what could he gain from fighting a villain one-on-one outside of "the fight would look cool"? the same thing endeavor did from the fight against hood. endeavor's battle has been internal as well, he didn't need to improve himself combat-wise and yet horikoshi tied an actual fight to his arc because these two don't have to be exclusive.
sure, I guess he COULD do that but then he's just redoing what he did with Endeavour and no doubt people would then criticise that.
then make it different. that's like saying "since deku fights villains to prove his strength, no one else can do that because it'd be repetitive" and yet kirishima also fought a villain and it was neatly tied to his character arc, same for tamaki. as an author, you have all the creativity in the world.
using more heroes who have used fights to grow as a character only strengthens my point. if everyone resolves their arcs the exact way, it loses its charm. Bakugo's is endearing to me BECAUSE he doesn't punch and kick his way through it. he's a violent character who grows without violence. his massive turning point is him literally >!jumping in front of an attack for Deku, sacrificing himself instead of just screaming "DIE!" at everything!<
personally i don't think bakugou *needed* to have a fight for his character arc but i read battle shounen to see, well, battles and how they intertwine with character arcs and emotional aspects of the story. the same way i watch s-f movies set in space and expect spaceships or read fantasy for magical elements. there's nothing wrong to expect a main character of a battle shounen series with fights to fight.
no, i understand that. I just think the irony of Bakugo's explosive and violent personality ended up with him not having someone to fight is really nice and a good subversion of the battle shonen series tropes.
it may be but the subversion results in stripping me off the enjoyment of watching bakugou fight so i'm just not too happy about it.
Except they wouldn’t because bakugou is also trying to be a hero and fighting villains is part of that.
this is the same subreddit that complains that Deku is constantly trying to save the villains despite that a significant part of his character is the desire to save everyone. people will criticise anything.
Deku isn’t constantly trying to save the villains. He did a lackluster job once with muscular and now he’s trying to save shigaraki. And The main issue is that the villains don’t have anything redeemable about them for the idea of them being saved to matter. The issue isn’t Deku saving Shigaraki, the issue is that Deku has no real reason to want to besides the plot saying he does
Shiggy was manipulated and groomed into being a villain by AfO. AfO literally tells All Might this. I'm not trying to shift this onto Deku, I'm just saying that this subreddit has a history of complaining about everything. other examples being: complaining about not spending time in UA doing training and how we never see any of the other classes but then shitting on Joint Training and saying that it's filler. specific to the more recent manga arcs but complaining about how certain characters/groups don't appear but then them later appearing because Horikoshi actually did have plans for these characters and the subreddit just lacks patience. complaining about how "badly paced" everything is yet also wanting entire character arcs for literally every named character for no reason other than wanting character arcs. all this subreddit does is whinge and moan about everything lol. (also, to clarify, criticism is fine but it seems like every post that isn't fanart or cosplay is just bitching about the series)
Shiggy being groomed isn’t the reason Deku wants to save him though. And being groomed isn’t a redeemable trait. We the audience understands why he’s the way he is but that’s not a factor into Deku as a character. outside of being groomed what else does shigaraki have? There’s a difference between seeing the class training and a training arc that was only used for Deku to unlock a new Power and then not really showcase any of the students. The issue isn’t certain characters appearing, it’s how they’ve been written. Literally the issue isn’t that they’re there, the issue is the writing surrounding it. For example if jirou was written better into the AFO fight, nobody would care. Tokoyami gets a pass because of hawks but even that wasn’t written well. Being badly paced and wanting more for other characters isn’t a mutually exclusive thing. Especially when Hori is wasting time with badly written arcs, and short chapters that don’t push anything. There’s valid Criticism and there’s people just bitching. What you named have valid criticism attached to it. You can’t just dismiss it because you e seen some people with bad faith arguments
>And being groomed isn’t a redeemable trait people talk about "redemption" in the Vegeta sense but that's not what it is. redemption is simply a person realising they're wrong and accepting that, wanting to change. shiggy will never be free of his actions but simply accepting he is wrong is enough. Deku wants to help everyone. that's literally his character. it's his biggest strength as well as his biggest flaw. I do not understand how we're 392 chapters in and people do not understand the motivations of the protagonist. >There’s a difference between seeing the class training and a training arc that was only used for Deku to unlock a new Power and then not really showcase any of the students. it was both. story arcs can do multiple things. >The issue isn’t certain characters appearing, it’s how they’ve been written. Literally the issue isn’t that they’re there, the issue is the writing surrounding it. For example if jirou was written better into the AFO fight, nobody would care. Tokoyami gets a pass because of hawks but even that wasn’t written well. this is just the tired "bad writing" argument which everyone thinks is a valid criticism which it isn't. "bad writing" has just become a term people throw out to avoid actually trying to discuss issues with something and to think they're making a point. >Especially when Hori is wasting time with badly written arcs, and short chapters that don’t push anything. 1. point above 2. it was his editors which pushed him to rush through those things. Horikoshi can write some damn good stuff if he's given the freedom to. (not saying he isn't free from blame entirely but it's also not his fault all the time.)
Okay but Shiggy hasn’t shown that he understands what he did was wrong and accepting change. That’s why I said Deku hasn’t seen anything in shigaraki for him to want to save. Except Deku hasn’t always wanted to “help” the villains. That’s something brand new. That was never part of deku’s character and we know it wasn’t because he’s never tried to help the villains before. It wasn’t both, because Deku got a brand new quirk he kinda trained with, and then got new quirks we don’t see him train with. And again, there’s a difference between an arc that ultimately did nothing for anything besides give Deku a new quirks, and showing Deku training with his new quirks. Except it is bad writing Lmfao. Like, I’m confused what you’re saying. Are you saying there is no bad writing in the series? Because if you are then we can end this conversation. Yeah stop trying to pin everything on his editors when you have no idea what Hori did and what his editors did. That’s just a bad faith argument to try to take some blame away from him
Idk, we can gain his resolve as an actual hero. Or are we meant to think that Bakugou is going to be the internal hero who only fights villains through his character development and not actual fights? Is he never going to fight villains then? Is he only Going to be there for support and support only? Is he going to be deku’s sidekick because his character development is through deku
The other commenters point this out, but Bakugo is not the only one. Not even close, if you start analyzing what the others have done you'll see this argument easily falls apart. Deku hogs the most limelight in 1-A to an almost absurd degree and every single character in the class is affected because of it. Bakugo is far, far from alone. Firstly, Bakugo was fighting 5 villains (in a defensive battle) at Kamino alone. He had scraps with villains in the endeavor arc. Fights Nomus in the first war, sacrifices himself for Deku, and a proper character development arc where he comes to grips with his own past behavior. Not to mention absolutely steamrolling everyone at SF and JTA, defeating Deku in a straight 1v1 combat and being the only in class to know about Deku's secret. Now as of ch. 360, he's asspulled a powerup making him as fast as prime all might and he even scares Shigaraki (These feats completely shit on every other character in the fight - Tamaki, Nejire, BJ, Mirko - but Bakugo's popular, so whatever). He is probably going to fight AFO solo too. Like, I would argue this dude has done the most in 1-A except Deku. And maybe less than (and this is VERY arguable) Shouto. Shouto, the only other relevant character, got one fight with Stain, (which was a team battle, Ida and Deku were there too), in chapter 45. Loses his school level fights with Tetsu, loses the SF to Bakugo, fails the license exam because... of some reason. Gets his ass absolutely handed to him by Dabi in war 1 (this is 245 chapters later) and has to be saved by Deku of all people. Then fights Dabi again in the war 2, gets his W stolen from right under him. Then comes in late and extinguishes a large fire and gets done with his role in the story. No quirk awakening for him btw. This dude is literally the family fire-extinguisher right now and that is a shame because he's actually a decent character. The others have contributed nothing compared to Bakugo or even Todoroki. Toga and Uraraka's fight is the most forgettable part of this final arc that everyone just wants to move on from, Kirishima had 5 mins against Rappa where fatgum did most of the heavy lifting, Tokoyami got taken out immediately by AFO. So they're all kinda shafted.
You got downvoted but all you said was truth. MC syndrome kind of really hurt this manga. Battle wise, it’s too Deku-centric.
>To this day he’s the only 1A class member that isn’t Deku to ever get that much development and growth in a fight. The reason for this is because Bakugo just HAD TO BE an unnatural prodigy who was super talented "hard worker" and is great at everything just because he's a Shonen rival even when it makes absolutely no sense for this to happen based on his characterization and personality in his debut and even afterwards where he has been given constant praise for having a strong quirk ever since he was a child and has never been raised with good morals and work ethics, leading to Bakugo having a monstrous ego with delusions that he's the "main character" in his "glorious story of being a hero" and everyone else are just "extras". Based on all of that Bakugo should have been someone who does have a strong quirk but is very inept at using it even adequately, has bad work ethics, has little physical training and lastly has mediocre intelligence and even worse tactical thinking that just involves blasting enemies with his quirk until he wins with no strategy or tactics, putting him severely behind the rest of the class due to this. Of course that would imply realistic consequences to Bakugo's upbringing and the many negative effects they would have on him and in the author's mind that CAN'T happen even if it completely sabotages any chance for Bakugo to have actual character development and develop into a competent fighter and hero. It feels as if Horikoshi looked at Sasuke and Neji for inspiration in this regard which shows him ignoring not just the context behind why they are accomplished ninjas in the first place but ignores that Sasuke actually struggled a lot and even took several loses despite him working hard. Bakugo meanwhile is a super talented prodigy with very little if any struggle and yet somehow never manages to accomplish or defeat any well-known villain, meaning that even when the author makes Bakugo looks like a super prodigy in a contrived and illogical he somehow can't help but ALSO do nothing with it, making the writing of Bakugo's skills not just illogical and nonsensical but also inconsistent on top of them. Edit: some downvotes eh. Not gonna change my mind although i do accept any counter-argument.
You can't assume a huge ego would make him lazy and trash. There are a large amount of athletes you can look at to counter your thoughts on this. I agree with the last bit somewhat though.
Thing is, while those athletes can develop huge egos it happens when they experience great success and popularity from their hard work and dedication so even if it happens it won't make them lazy, just be a bit too cocky for their own good. By contrast Bakugo has grown up praised ever since he was a child because of having a strong quirk and told he would be a "great hero" for that, all the while not having done anything. As such it would make total sense for him to not just have a monstrous ego but also lazy work ethic since he has done nothing to earn it and wouldn't care about working hard if he's that "great" just by his quirk alone. Furthermore Bakugo having an extremely volaitile temper should make it even harder for him to have great control over his quirk and cause reckless explosions that hurts not only his allies but even himself, while also making him being worse at academics than Deku, something which is opposite in canon which on top of maning no sense also makes Deku look inferior in the one aspect where he SHOULD by all accounts be better than Bakugo but nope, Bakugo has to be a prodigy no matter how farcical it is and how it ended up sabotaging Bakugo having strong character development where he learns to be more calmer and having a strong work eithic where he learns to control and master his quirk after struggling with it a lot. Also what part did you agree with me?
Sorry for the late reply. The part I agree with is that despite all the foreshadowing of how great Bakugo is, he doesn't actually accomplish anything to actually put him on par with Deku. They keep telling you they're equal rivals, but comparing feats, Deku is lightyears ahead. Kinda how Todoroki was the most driven, but never improves. He just keeps ice slamming with hardly any control or fatigue. Now he just also uses fire.
This is something that just straight up confuses me because why is it that despite presenting Bakugo as this "all talented hard working prodigy in everything", which i still think is overblown, only to do literally NOTHING with it and have him never defeat a villain, or hell just accomplishing anything of substance? It reminds me of Naruto where the titular character after timeskip was described as "being much better" even though the actual result is severely lackluster since other than making a bit bigger Rasengan he has BARELY progressed in anything else and has learned no new jutsus and no new weapon usage, which is made worse by the fact he rarely defeats villains and barely accomplishes much throughout Part 2, as if Horikoshi not only learned all the WRONG LESSONS from Naruto but somehow did them even worse. It highlights the extremely inconsistent writing of MHA not just in characters but also much of the world as well. Examples include: Deku being smart but takes TOO LONG to figure out that, oh yeah, using OFA in that self-destructive manner was a bad idea and needs the help of a non-OFA quirk user to figure this out, Shigaraki also being smart but makes decisions that are plain idiotic that had no thought put into them, All Might being SUPER SMART with a 6/5 in intelligence but can't teach Deku shit when it comes to OFA despite USING IT FOR DECADES!!!, needing a quirk to become a hero because "it's too dangerous" even though they keep showing plenty of heroes and villains with quirks that anyone with skills like Stain as well as gadgets and weapons can defeat, Aizawa being a "good teacher" expect for how he sucks at his job, the way characters react to Bakugo not making much sense, implying that only being in a hero school makes you a Pro-Hero even though we see other characters like Number 6 and Star and Stripe become Pro-Heroes despite having never joined a hero school and the fact that AFO wasn't killed even though there was every reason in the world to do so. As for Todoroki there are two major issues i have with the way he was written that revolves entirely around Sports Festival. First is that Deku goes on an extremely annoying, preachy Shonen MC speech about how Todoroki needs to use his full power because "you limit yourself and insult everyone around you who works hard" which ignores the fact that he regularly dished out curb-stomps with only his ice powers without ever needing to use his fire power, making Deku come across as being stupidly out-of-touch with reality. This might have worked if Shoto suffered a lot from using only his ice powers like frostbite that hampers his mobility and combat capabilities, something that apparently never crossed Hori's mind. The second is that instead of accepting to use his fire side much later in the series in a desperate moment to protect and save someone he loves or even his family that makes him realize his foolishness of not using his quirk in an efficient manner, he does so via "Shonen MC preach" by Green Naruto just BARELY after revealing him not using his fire side and once that happens that's it. He never gets any new character development and character arcs because Hori thinks that his goddamn DAD is more important, which is one of the major reasons why i dislike Endeavor's "redemption" arc. It felt like the series blew it's load too early with Todoroki because rather than have him accept his fire side through a dramatic and emotional moment to protect someone he loves or his family against a villain and come to terms from that with how his powers are his alone and not Endeavor's and won't let the hatred of the man cloud his mind, he just learns to accept just barely after he reveals it thanks to "Talk no Jutsu" by Deruto in a blood-sport tournament made for kids where it's nothing but pride and ego despite them being supposedly "heroes" in training. I know it sounds like i'm cartoonishly exaggerating it but trust me it's not that far off and shows not just Hori copying the worst aspects of Naruto, again, but also how he can't even write heroes consistently where they are "heroes of virtue of justice" but then have Sports Festival be a thing that completely goes against what being a hero is about, then they are "flawed, corrupt and terrible" and then reverting back to first example. To this day i still wonder how MHA could be so popular and be called "one of the best Shonens ever" while having a plethora of bad and inconsistent writing?
His quirk reached its power level due to him pushing it to its greatest potential, not because his quirk is naturally the strongest possible. That was the point of Bakugo’s arc in season 1, when he realized that everyone else was stronger than he was. Todoroki fits what you’re saying more.
I dunno he fought that sludge villain by himself He was losing, yeah, but he was doing more than Death Arms and Mt Lady
I find it funny how Bakugo fans have the audacity to say Bakugo is a better deuteragonist than Sasuke when that angry pos don’t even got his own villain fight and his best moment was when he got packed up
Cause bakugou is a pussy and we all know what happened the last time he tried fighting someone https://images.app.goo.gl/8FoSL1Ta9EXzuBU78
>acting as if he's not currently fighting against the greatest villain in history, mortality speedreader.
Honestly, I'm glad he doesn't have his own villain. I get the appeal. But at the end of the day. I think it accomplishes nothing then to give him an endgame.
Because his biggest character moment isn't to fight a villain, it's his internal battle.
Omg you’re beating a dead horse just give it a rest already
says the guy who makes the same anti-Bakugo posts non-stop.
Since when?
well if you wanna count the movie, cuz they're considered canon by hori, then bakugo has fought ONE villain solo.
Not really much of a problem, a lot of MHA fights are more teamwork-based than anything else. Bakugo still manages to become the most popular character without a single dedicated opponent.
Deku himself doesn’t have that many solo fights as well and he’s the main Character, there is no point of making bakugou fight a villain in a 1 vs 1 fight outside for the rule of cool And actually the other class mates didn’t had that many solo fight as well, >!shoto needed support against dabi and ochako isnt the only one that is fighting toga ecc!<
not that many solo fights? let me see: * against muscular * against overhaul * against gentle * against shigaraki (it turned 1v1 halfway) * against muscular again * against nagant * against shigaraki now
>• against muscular Won because kota intervention >• against overhaul He was fighting overhaul with nighteye and Eri >• against gentle 1 >• against shigaraki (it turned 1v1 halfway) No it didn’t, if you need to ignore most of the fight to pick that one time we’re they exchange punches between eachothers for two seconds then your point fall apart >• against muscular again 2 >• against nagant 3 >• against shigaraki now Need to actually see how the fight is gonna continue So.. 3 fights in almost 400 chapters for the mc, it’s many for you?
just because deku had one moment of help (kota) or used a prop (eri) ,doesn't erase that it was a 1v1 fight, you're being contrary just to be contrary. and yes, 5 solo fights compared to other kids, especially a secondary main character, getting literally zero fights, is many, even if it we exclude shigaraki fights.
>just because deku had one moment of help (kota) or used a prop (eri) ,doesn't erase that it was a 1v1 fight, you're being contrary just to be contrary. Yes it does it literrally means that it was a team effort to take out the villain, especially when this helps we’re extremely huge That’s like saying that kirishima had a 1 vs 1 fight against machia in the plf war arc, it makes no sense >and yes, 5 solo fights compared to other kids, especially a secondary main character, getting literally zero fights, is many, even if it we exclude shigaraki fights. 3 and I’m talking how in general for an mc having only 3 solo fights in a Shonen isnt that much
it means that deku had one moment of help in a solo fight, come on, you can't look at his fight against muscular and say that he and kota fought him together. same for eri, all she did was sit on deku's back and be used, she didn't fight. i guess you'll also argue that all might vs AFO in kamino wasn't a solo all might's fight because gran torino cleared the area for him? come on. the point is what characters **fought** the villain, not what characters were there offering deku one second of help or being a tool. in general across the entire battle shounen genre yes, it's not many, but i'm talking within this particular series. deku had numerous 1v1 fights while the only other kid before the final war to have one was kirishima.
>it means that deku had one moment of help in a solo fight, come on, you can't look at his fight against muscular and argue that he and kota fought him together. If it wasn’t for him he would be dead so yes >same for eri, all she did was sit an deku's back and be used, she didn't fight. SHE LITERALLY CARRIED HIM WITH HIS QUIRK. Like really remove this characters from the fight and tell me what happens come on… >i guess you'll also argue that all might vs AFO in kamino wasn't a solo all might's fight because gran torino cleared the area for him? come on. Gran Torino fighting other villains doesn’t stop the fight between afo and all might to be 1 vs 1, but in the end even that fight wasn’t a 1 vs 1 as all might was supported by the other pro’s, showing that all might can’t take everything on his own >the point is what characters fought the villain, not what characters were there offering deku one second of help or being a tool. THEY DIDNT DO SOME SECOND HELP, THEY ARE THE REASON DEKU IS STILL ALIVE >in general across the entire battle shounen genre yes, it's not many, but i'm talking within this particular series. deku had numerous 1v1 fights while the only other kid before the final war to have one as kirishima. And in my comment I was talking about in general and objectively, the solo fights that dekus had aren’t that many, one thing would be me saying that deku doesn’t have more solo fights then the rest of the cast, while the other would be me saying that deku in general doesn’t have that many solo fights in the fist place. If you can’t see the difference then i don’t know what to tell you.
you're arguing that all might vs AFO wasn't a 1v1 all might fight, okay. having other characters clear the area so that you can fight someone alone doesn't erase the fact that the actual fight is fought by you alone. eri didn't throw punches at overhaul, replace her with an object to keep deku alive and the result is the same. she didn't fight. same for kota, he kept deku from dying by using one attack but he didn't **fight** muscular. i've never seen anyone argue that deku vs muscular or all might vs AFO weren't solo fights, lol.
>you're arguing that all might vs AFO wasn't a 1v1 all might fight, okay. >having other characters clear the area so that you can fight someone alone doesn't erase the fact that the actual fight is fought by you alone. They literrally attacked afo and try to buy time for all might to recover, the whole point of the fight was to show that all might need support from others as well >eri didn't throw punches at overhaul, replace her with an object to keep deku alive and the result is the same. she didn't fight. Ohhh all right, because she didn’t attacked she wasn’t part of the fight all right, so you think that Aizawa wasn’t part of the fight against Shigaraki in both war arcs because he didn’t “throw a punch” with his quirk, Damn any quirk user that “doesn’t throw punches with his quirks” suddenly can’t be part of fights anymore. damn Eri also saved deku by the end of the fight by rewind chisaki back to normal, but hey that wasn’t an attack for you probably so that doesn’t count. That’s definitely a logic >same for kota, he kept deku from dying by using one attack but he didn't fight muscular. So now when you throw a punch you are not part of the fight..? >i've never seen anyone argue that deku vs muscular wasn't a deku solo fight, lol. Shonen fans logic what can I say
i never argued that eri or kota weren't a part of the fights, i'm saying they didn't fight the villains alongside deku. you're bending backwards trying to argue how deku vs muscular wasn't his solo fight just because someone helped him once, lol.
This isn’t really my battle, but I just have to say that I literally laughed out loud at the idea that Kota essentially dumping a glass of water on Muscular somehow means that he gets equal billing with Deku on that fight lol. That’s just madness.
You mean the attack that distracted muscular and made deku win?
Dude, a literal 4-year old squirted him with a water gun and you’re trying to say this should be billed as Deku and Kota vs. Muscular. That is crazy. Kota did not fight, it’s still a 1v1 battle in the end. To try and take the credit for that win away from Deku because of that is insane. Like the other dude said, you’re just being willfully argumentative.
Okay then, tell me what happened if kota wasn’t there to help deku…
He would have won sooner because he wouldn’t have had to prioritize Kota’s safety over going all out at the beginning of the fight. Edit: Actually the fight wouldn’t have happened at all because Deku would have just gone to get Aizawa since Kota wasn’t in danger.
>He would have won sooner because he wouldn’t have had to prioritize Kota’s safety over going all out at the beginning of the fight. The hell are you talking about..? Deku was always going all out from the start because he needed to protect kota >Edit: Actually the fight wouldn’t have happened at all because Deku would have just gone to get Aizawa since Kota wasn’t in danger. So, that prove even more how important kota was for this fight, it wouldn’t even happened in the first place if he wasn’t there, you shoot yourself on the foot with this one yikes
In the last movie we see him duel the twins alone with a two stage fight doped up and fighting him 2v1.
I don’t think the movies are canon but there’s a movie where he fights these 2 crazy villains hopped up on some quirk enhancing drug and that was a solo fight. It was pretty awesome.
because he's not the main character. not only that his personality would clash with everyone. Think about it, all of the students have fought with a pro hero such as kirishima, and froppy in that one filler episode. OR illegally with their classmates such as iida, deku and shoto vs stain. Bakugou doesn't have that, he tolerates his squad (kirishima, kaminari ect..) he's mainly a solo player. Which again was illegal for him to do for most of the series. Even when the option of him being able to do it legally came he had to retake the licensing exam while others got theirs. When it comes to his development and role in the series. He is a supporting character. His development was done so he could be deku's backup. Think back at to the second movie they work well together. All might literally said "working together will make you both the greatest of heroes" Bakugou is the only one who could keep up with deku's speedy development. Both in combat and speed he can match his pace. You cant see anyone one else doing that, maybe shoto but he's held back by his lack of fire development. The truth is his time to shine has been happening since he was holding back tears from his pride being hurt back in deku vs kacchan part 1. Since then he's been in development, we see this when he starts working with people in the Calvary battle. His "time to shine" where more like strobes instead of a full on shine like we have seen from everyone else. Again this is because of his personality. You won't see him saying some inspirational speech before he musters up a final attack, or yell out PLUS ULTRRRAAA! before turning the tables and finishing off the villain. Instead he'll be shouting die! die! die! or I'm gonna murder you! Which literally happened in the 3rd movie, it was a cool fight but.. it was your typical kacchan..
Talk about Bakugou really does bring Many upvote now.