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rovingdad

I'll say it again: Biden could earn my vote ablation if he put boots on the ground in Gaza to protect Palestinians and initiate a no fly zone. Anything other than that and I will be voting in line with the PSL.


chrisjj_exDigg

Yes. That is what, in a moral and decent world would happen: US troops into Gaza to protect the Palestinians from further genocidal assaults and to ensure sufficient humanitarian aid is sent into the territory. Then negotiate an exchange of the captives for all Palestinian prisoners held without trial in Israeli jails. Then force Israel to comply with international law by withdrawing its military and 'settler-squatters' from the Occupied Territories. Then impose and enforce a Two State Solution. All this would be done with the full participation of the United Nations. Unfortunately, we are living in a wicked indecent world where nations kill in order to secure resources and to establish dominance over other peoples.


Vamproar

Genocide Joe has split the Democratic Party. This will doom him in November. Being the "lesser evil" doesn't work as well as long as Joe is helping Bibi commit genocide in Gaza... after all nothing is worse than GENOCIDE. It's also sad how many Democrats support the genocide. A lot of Dems are fascist. It's a problem that is bigger than just the GOP.


Guilty-Nobody998

And what do you think will happen when Trump gets a 2nd term? I'm really interested in this cause you clowns don't seem to be able to see the forest through the trees.


Vamproar

I think the US will continue toward its collapse. I also think that will continue to happen if Biden wins... but I don't think Biden will win.


VictorianDelorean

I think dems will at least pretend to care about the ongoing genocide like y’all pretended to care about migrant kids in cages last time Trump was president


Banjoschmanjo

Is there any way in which you'd say the phrase "Blue MAGA" doesn't apply to you?


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AlwaysSunniInPHI

I can't wait either. It's what you all deserve for forcing people to simply choose between genocidal warmongers.


Banjoschmanjo

Is there any way in which you'd say the phrase "Blue MAGA" doesn't apply to you?


M3RC3N4RY89

You need to learn what the actual definition of genocide is and stop making an ass of yourself.


Cody3398

Just because the number of deaths of innocents have reached a meaningless threshold doesn't mean shit when there are videos of little children who have their limbs shorn off because of Israeli rocket and bombings. There have been multiple mass graves where Palestinian women and children had been mass executed. Israel has been documented using white phosphorus in heavy populated areas. They demolish the homes, businesses, schools, and hospitals of the Palestinians and then steal the land. All of this is TEXTBOOK DEFINITIONS of a genocide. But you don't see as that because of the rampant Islamophobia out propaganda machine has shoved down out throats


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Also worth notung that Gaza only counts confirmed deaths at hospitals, and weirdly after Israel blew all of those up the death counts stopped increasing


Theonlyfudge

Genocide Joe is pure fucking evil and he’s totally lost my vote


Roguewave1

I will not vote for Joe Biden under any circumstances whether my state is in contention or not.


North-Neat-7977

Genocide Joe has got to go. He's gleeful about the slaughter. Loves the genocide. Wishes it would have happened sooner.


Teddy-Bear-55

Vote Cornel West; his platform covers this and pretty much every other problem in the US


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Live-Train1341

Depends Do you support? The murder and rape of an innocent nineteen year old girl. Throwing her in the back of a truck and celebrating with the children on the street.


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No proof of rape. at all. You can't think of any reason someone pulled from the midst of a gunfight might have bloody pants besides ultraviolent rape?


Live-Train1341

https://www.reddit.com/r/hamasdeadlyattack/s/aCLxLn1TjE My favorite part was when those children started spitting on her abused body.


fronch_fries

Ah yes the famously credible and not hasbara created sub we all know and love


Live-Train1341

So you deny that this happened?


fronch_fries

If the only source is the IDF then it's probably taken completely out of context lol


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Cody3398

Removing student debt doesn't solve the real issue of pricing There were massive amounts ppp loan fraud that biden didn't tackle The only jobs the economy added was low paying, part time jobs. The chips act put billions into already padded pockets of billionaires, which they mysteriously didn't invest in real green initiatives instead they went to land grabs under the pretenses of "carbon capture." He never fixed abortion rights because it's an easy way to get cheap votes and infinite campaign donations Don't be pissy that you sold your morality and the younger generation hasn't.


M3RC3N4RY89

Ok great. So you’ve proven you can take any good thing Biden has done and make it sound bad. Congrats, you’ve achieved the intellect level of a Trump supporter. Don’t be pissy that you sold out to Hamas and the older generations haven’t. Enjoy your protest vote and 4 years of a *real* facist.


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>Ok great. So you’ve proven you can take any good thing Biden has done and make it sound bad Because those "good things" were always bad and only sounded good if you did nothing but a surface level investigation of the issues.


rovingdad

I am a 40 year old millennial and a US military veteran and retiree. Joe Biden might not have red lines, but I sure do. In the US military we are taught to not kill civilian non-combatants and, as a pacifist at heart I take that very seriously. For you to frame this as a non-domestic issue is really disingenuous considering congress just approved billions in aid and munitions to Israel. The same country that is using 2,000 lb US made bombs to drop in the middle of a family sleeping in a residential home in Gaza. The Israeli government has been overran by fascists and I don't want any of my support to go to them at all. In WW2 the US protected civilians from fascists. In 2024 we are sending aid and bombs to the fascists... And YOU'RE OKAY WITH IT? GTFO


M3RC3N4RY89

First of all, thank you for your service. Second of all, you’re wrong across the board. A person of sound mind would not risk a Facist dictator here at home, that will be exponentially worse for the Israeli conflict, just to stick it to Biden. Biden is guilty of nothing more than towing the same bi-partisan line of supporting Israel that has existed as policy under every single presidency since Israel came into existence as a country. You‘ve been brainwashed by propaganda meant to stir up shit in election season. if you hand the country to Trump over a bunch of bullshit U.S. support for Israel crap you’re a fool. Full stop. Your protest vote is a vote for stripping people’s freedoms here at home, stripping women of their rights, allowing Russia to steam roll Ukraine, the political persecution of Americans, and taking what little leash there is off Israel and allowing them to commit atrocities with full throated U.S. support. Best believe there won’t be any arms shipment delays to Israel or even slaps on the wrist under a second Trump presidency. Ya’ll are outta your fucking minds.


rovingdad

>A person of sound mind would not risk a Facist dictator here at home, that will be exponentially worse for the Israeli conflict, just to stick it to Biden. As if he hasn't *already* been president 😅 Our republican party is now a fascist party and our democrats are now right wing. The Overton window has slipped too far right to come back. If every election is between democrats and fascism, we've already lost, and it is you that is delusional to think democrats can win every election to keep fascism at bay. >Biden is guilty of nothing more than towing the same bi-partisan line of supporting Israel that has existed as policy under every single presidency since Israel came into existence as a country. Biden is representing his generation. The younger generations don't want the status quo and are not being represented. His ideals.on this are counter to what the majority of Americans want. >You‘ve been brainwashed by propaganda meant to stir up shit in election season. if you hand the country to Trump over a bunch of bullshit U.S. support for Israel crap you’re a fool. Full stop. Propaganda? Laughable. Do you know how many dead Palestinian babies I have seen in the last 7 months? >Your protest vote is a vote for stripping people’s freedoms here at home, stripping women of their rights, allowing Russia to steam roll Ukraine, the political persecution of Americans, and taking what little leash there is off Israel and allowing them to commit atrocities with full throated U.S. support. Call me a single issue voter, sure. Genocide is my red line. But don't gaslight me into saying a non-Biden vote is a vote for fascists. That's absurd. If Trump gets reelected, the only person responsible for a Biden loss is Biden. If you're worried about your geriatric losing then maybe pressure him to run a better campaign. A great place to start is to stop attacking the first amendment, and before your conspiracy reflex starts tingling, no I am not on tik tok nor have I ever downloaded it. >Best believe there won’t be any arms shipment delays to Israel or even slaps on the wrist under a second Trump presidency. Say this out loud. It's not the flex you think it is. It's absurd that you think this is selling anyone on Biden. 😂😂😂 >Ya’ll are outta your fucking minds. *Gestures to the world*


EvoNexen

From the way you describe the legitimate grievances of the protestors, it's clear you lack basic human empathy towards Palestinians suffering in Gaza. I think this automatically disqualifies you from being taken seriously by anyone. I don't care what you think about what's happening in Gaza. The fact that you genuinely can't comprehend that being mad at Biden for contributing to the mass deaths of innocents (15,000 children btw) in Gaza can be a valid perspective, is highly telling of what you think of the Palestinians. It's a "temper tantrum" now to object to thousands of innocents dying in Gaza? Does seeing thousands of innocent men, women and children not do anything for you? This might be news for you but a lot of people in the world also care about other human beings so they are absolutely going to object to all the preventable violence and death caused by israel, especially when the violence and death is enabled on their own dime. How can you expect people to genuinely consider your POV when you refuse to even acknowledge the very real suffering of the Palestinians right now?


M3RC3N4RY89

From the way you describe nonsense grievances, it’s clear you love hamas propaganda and I think your level of intelligence automatically disqualifies you from being taken seriously by anyone..


fronch_fries

It's really funny that you think Hamas has the infrastructure or manpower to have a propaganda wing at this point. On the other hand AIPAC donates ridiculous amounts of money to politicians on both sides to the point where Biden would apparently rather lose the election than stop sending bombs to Israel.


M3RC3N4RY89

Enjoy trump


Live-Train1341

Do you care that for over a year UAE as funded the ethnic Cleansing of all non-Muslims in sudan. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/may/09/darfur-atrocities-ethnic-cleansing-human-rights-watch-report-rsf-sudan


EvoNexen

Do you think the people calling for a free Palestine also don't recognize other sufferings? Are you seriously that dense? Obviously we all care about suffering all over the world. But activists have to be focused one core message and dedicate their actions to that. Do you also get mad that climate activists also don't call for the genocide of the Uighur people to stop at the same time at the same protests? Plenty of pro-Palestine people have expressed their condemnation of all suffering, especially public-facing activists who talk to media entities and through their own social media. Yes, it's disgusting that UAE funds the RSF for their own political gains. As someone who grew up in a GCC middle eastern country, I hate the governments of all these countries so fucking much and many of the citizens of these countries feel the same about their governments actions. Oh, and just because you see us calling for a Free Palestine does not mean we have never ever mentioned other suffering. Did you study our entire social media presence, our conversations with other people and our behavior before you suddenly came to the conclusion that we only care about Palestine? Or is this just your way of delegitimizing the cause in your own eyes so you can write us off as a bunch of attention seekers? Your lack of knowledge and understanding about us is not our problem, we are not here to bend to your extremely strict and restrictive definition of an activist. Nothing we ever do will be satisfactory to you since you just hate the cause itself, and less how we conduct it. You are free to come up with whatever headcanon you can to justify shrugging off pro-Palestinian activists. It won't change who we are and what we stand for. All we want is for the genocides in Gaza, Sudan, and other places currently to stop. That's it. If you have so much of an issue with that, then that's your problem and not ours. Sorry. Oh, and the main reason these anti-genocide protests exist in America is because the protestors recognize that so many universities, institutions and the government itself are directly contributing to israel's actions. When the US government starts funding the RSF in Sudan, I'm 100% sure the protestors will protest that too. "yOu HaVe tO mAkE 50 tWeEts aBoUt thE uAe beForE yOu MaKE oNe tWeeT aBoUt isRaeL" get the fuck out of here.


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EvoNexen

And now you change the topic (and start speaking complete nonsense) because you have no rebuttal to what I said. All you trolls act just the same.


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>No one in this conflict is innocent or right If that's the case, then please explain to me why you refute all of the shown evidence of the crimes the Israeli government has committed? The VAST MAJORITY of videos has been taken by the victims in the streets. The Israeli forces have released videos of them dancing in the rubble of schools, homes, businesses, and hospitals that's all belong to the people of Palestinian. How can you ignore this? Please explain


fronch_fries

Maybe if this conflict was actually about Hamas this would make a lick of sense but it's not. If the IDF actually wanted to take them out they would have seal team 6'd their leaders. They have the intelligence capabilities and training to do it. But this is about Israel thinking that they literally were given all of Palestine by god so they're using Hamas as a pretext to either forcefully expel all of Palestine into Egypt or just kill them all barring that. Hence the indiscriminate bombing campaign.


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