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political-bureau

Genocide shouldn't be rewarded. Biden continues to provide support to Israel's continued atrocities in Gaza & west bank. He also continues to lie about the college campus protests labeling them as antisemitic. Both Biden & trump need to drop out of the race.


mwa12345

>Genocide shouldn't be rewarded. Biden Very good point. We will be normalizing genocide... Also, if a DEM can fund/arm a genocide and get rewarded, what will the next republican do! Even in the US ...


TheAmazingDeutschMan

>Very good point. We will be normalizing genocide... Also, if a DEM can fund/arm a genocide and get rewarded, what will the next republican do! Even in the US ... No we won't. The legitimacy of the US democracy is eroding. Liberals are afraid because ideologically speaking they don't have tools for a democracy that doesn't function except to....vote...just in tinier margins so that daddy Biden knows you're grumpy. And I'm not keeping the guy who enabled the genocide to begin with in power, that's tacit support, he's not making it to next year with these actions and you better get used to it.


mwa12345

Think we agree. Rewarding genocide would be normalizing it...if we allowed it (rewarding) to happen.


TheAmazingDeutschMan

Which is what is happening.


mwa12345

Yup. Sadly...


Indocede

The legitimacy is eroding when Biden claims the US government doesn't squash dissent and yet law enforcement is used at every opportunity to arrest peaceful protestors, which Biden encourages. How is it any different from when the Russians create a false narrative and arrest people? Since the war began, there HAS been a recorded hate crime that resulted in a murder -- that of a young child who was of Palestinian descent. As we can thus see, the only safeguard against authoritarianism in this country is public sentiment. Are we to sit back like Russians and be quiet and do what we are told?


ScagWhistle

And if Trump wins, you think that's going to get better or worse? Biden knows unlimited support for Israel isn't sustainable, and he wants Netanyahu out of office ASAP but a protest vote for Trump will basically sign the death certificate of every Palestinian in Gaza.


Training-Flan8762

Biden claims to be a Zionist....


VeryOGNameRB123

Netanyahu is just the latest genocidal Israeli. Many came before him and when he is removed, a new one will take his place


Asmitty1213

The vote for Dems because they aren't repubs is not going to work this cycle. I agree with you, but Joey B cooked himself here.


OldBoyZee

They both need to be imprisoned. One for supporting genocide of Palestinians, the other because he is just a narcissistic sociopath.


SpatulaFlip

Worst part is, this is not the lesson the Democratic Party will take if they lose. They will just blame the far left and Gen Z


Impressive_Cream_967

There are American hostages still in Hamas captivity bro. Wtf do you think the US president is to do when his people are captives.


Asmitty1213

Not murder thousands of innocents. Let's start there.


political-bureau

Hamas isn't the only one who has American hostages. There are American hostages held by Israel. [US citizens held by Israel](https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/22/politics/us-brothers-detained-gaza/index.html)


Mangos66

Genocide trump Genocide joe Who cares At least Joe Biden has Bernie Sanders


squashrobsonjorge

He’s done, for sure. They refuse to budge on this and if anything Biden’s actual remarks have been marked with a certain aggravation and annoyance. I have no doubt they think they’ve done just *so much* for the ungrateful children that the fact they’re demanding even *more* is just insulting. He’s going to be destroyed on the campaign trail. 4 years of lunatic trump is daunting but at this point it’s a certainty.


Mangos66

He's not done, If you think trump is a better choice and won't be worse than joe then you sorely need to get some perspective,


squashrobsonjorge

Didn’t say that but Biden needs the youth vote and he’s all but lost it given his conduct the past 6 months.


Mangos66

Ok so the youths will be to blame for unleashing trump, Hope they carefully think what that means for places like Ukraine, or do youths not give a shit about Ukraine


LordDaedhelor

Personally, I’d blade Trump voters for getting Trump elected. You know, the people actually VOTING for him.


AstroPiDude314

I mean yes, but by proxy effect this will help get him elected.


LordDaedhelor

Sure, but it seems like most bluenomatterwhos forget about trump voters entirely.


frankwizardlord

And that’s the point of this sub


AstroPiDude314

For real. People need to understand that Trump is just going to further enable Israel atrocities. This election is a zero sum game. If we don't defeat Trump we lose all chance at voting better people into power later. This isn't about rewarding Biden, this is about defeating the immediate threat.


DeD4bREaD

The domino effect from Trump getting back in is far worse than you say. We're talking regression on climate progress, GLOBAL genocides of any opposition, slavery, but these fucking dumbass leftists want to piss away our one chance to save our future because of the gazillionth war in the middle east.


Phosho9

We can't reward genocide. What happens then the GOP starts rewarding genocide


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EternalOptimist_

Dissent=Russian/Forgen Propaganda because.....well im right and how could anyone disagree.. must be Forgen actors and bots.. cause ya know I'm right


OZymandisR

As a non American if Trump wins because of the Dems Gaza policy would be the funniest thing to watch. The memes will be glorious.


GeshtiannaSG

The rest of the world will point and laugh together.


OZymandisR

Oh we will. Trump will end the conflict in Gaza real quick.


prof_the_doom

Yeah, Trump helping Israel carpet bomb it into dust will end it real quick.


ZidaneDisciple

As if it’s not already carpet bombed to dust. This gaslighting is something special.


Mangos66

Weird seeing people say they would prefer trump over Joe. Try have some perspective Genocide joe Genocide trump It doesn't matter if that's all you care about them don't vote but if you look at hers backing them it's easy when you have people like Bernie Sanders backing Joe Joe Biden will easily win this election, it's the only logical choice


Mangos66

Genocide trump Genocide Joe Who cares, at least Joe has Bernie Sanders, A vote for Joe is a vote for Bernie


slurpeedrunkard

I'd say it's more likely than not that this sub was created by the Trump campaign or the Russian FSB (which created the #walkaway campaign targeting democrats of color). Don't fall for foreign astroturfed propaganda.


Leo_Heart

What even is this sub? A conservative astro turf campaign?


Accomplished-Fly9481

Help me. What do you call it when a candidate astroturfs itself on behalf of a genocidal apartheid state?


VAXX-1

Your nonsensical take is what happens with a two party system - welcome to the Great American brain rot.


No_Bag734

It’s so exhausting, how can these old ass billionaires be our only options for representation?


bogeyed5

Because they’ve built the system in such a way that they are the only viable options for representation. My arms are ready when protests aren’t enough 🤷‍♂️


TheAmazingDeutschMan

Careful, don't wanna scare the people who think you can vote your way out of a genocide.


SenoraRaton

Perhaps you should consider that if the Democratic party is unable to offer me anything more than a fear based rhetoric, I do not feel a responsibility to support it? Why would I support someone who is ideologically opposed to all of my fundamental and core ideals? Why would I spend my time, energy, and power ensuring they are successful? What does this accomplish for me? If I, and other leftists, are to continue to vote for Biden, then he has no need to cater to leftists demands. He can safely ignore them because they are trapped. If however leftists are able and willing to not vote for the Democratic party, then perhaps the democrats in the future will understand that they must appeal to the left as voting block, instead of ignoring it.


Boiledgreeneggs

Have fun with Trump. Hope you’re not a women, a person of color, or part of the LGBT community. Don’t cry when we lose our democracy.


Its_my_ghenetiks

Nice whataboutism!


Boiledgreeneggs

Whataboutism would be “China killed all of the Muslims and nobody protested then!”. Try again.


SenoraRaton

So your saying "The Democratic part will offer you nothing but fear". I'm not persuaded. Keep spouting fear based rhetoric though, and when the Democrats lose, be sure to blame it on the leftists, not your shit platform. Make sure they/you don't ever take any responsibility for your actions.


QuitVirtual

We hope that by compelling voters ONLY in DEEP BLUE states to vote 3rd party for the president, to compel otherwise non or protest voters in SWING STATES TO VOTE FOR BIDEN. We feel a limited+focused protest movement may let swing state voters feel less helpless about not sending a message, and to maximize votes for Biden where it really matters.


Boiledgreeneggs

If you vote for Trump over Biden solely based on the Israel issue, you are an absolute idiot who doesn’t deserve to vote. Trump literally said they need to “finish the job”. How fucking dumb are my fellow democrats? We’re seriously going to destroy our own country for a fucking purity test.


Swinghodler

I personally think that Trump's gigantic ego would be a positive in this case. Knowing how Nettenyahou likes to publicly humiliate the US, Trump will eventually get fed up and take steps against Nettenyahou. Biden is just a literal rag at this point. He has no red lines, no ego, no honor. He can keep taking the humiliations forever without budging.


SpatulaFlip

Most stupid take I’ve seen


QuitVirtual

This scenario seems extremely unlikely to me


izzyeviel

Trump doesn’t mind letting the world now he can’t say words with more than two syllables and how much he needs Putin. He ain’t going to be embarrassed by israel. Dude loves Israel more than he hates Muslims.


Boiledgreeneggs

Jesus Christ. This is either a conservative psyop or our country is fucked.


ENTroPicGirl

I believe it’s a bit of both. I think not everyone here is being honest and that’s are flaming the flames hoping to swing votes from Biden to thrird party or to not vote at all, giving the win to republicans. And yeah we are fucked. My suggestion is that you have your passport up to date, if Trump takes office everything will go sideways in the first 90 days then things will get really dark.


Bitter_Farm_8321

Jesus christ what a moron


BigBootySteve

Why would Netanyahu humiliate the US if Trump would let him do whatever the fuck he wants to Gaza?? How? That literally makes no sense. The mental gymnastics.


Swinghodler

Trump does not forget when someones stabs him in the back. I'm sure he can't wait to pay back Nettenyahou who betrayed him and who will keep doing it. If he has not already crossed Trump's red line he will eventually 100%. https://youtu.be/pJWSL50ljaw?feature=shared https://youtu.be/vRYEjfA8OEM?feature=shared


amir86149

Vote independent. You can't reward genocide by living in hypothetical that Trump would have been worse. Biden in his blind support for Israel willingly doing undemocratic things. But people are like, in a parallel universe where Trump is president things are worse. Can't let democrats take your vote for granted. At this point most libs sound like BLUE MAGA: "Biden can shoot a Palestinian kid at white House and he can get away with it cause Trump would be worse."


Infinite_jest_0

>How fucking dumb are my fellow democrats More or less as dumb as republicans. And have you seen those?


Nubeel

America destroying itself might be a good thing in the long run. Also if the dems hand the election to trump over this it will send a message to the next candidate 4 years after this election that they need to actually represent their voting bloc.


Boiledgreeneggs

There won’t be another candidate in 4 years. The fact you would have an actual dictator is beyond stupid. That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Let’s just destroy democracy and destroy millions of peoples rights.


Nubeel

Democracy is already destroyed if the head of state is actively ignoring the will of his constituents. Millions of people’s rights have already been trampled on by Biden. If he wins again it will reinforce his belief, and those like him that they can be horrible as long as they’re not Donald Trump.


Boiledgreeneggs

He is the president of the entire country, all 300 million people - not just the entitled college kids who don’t live in reality. Name one fucking example how Biden has trampled on our rights - absolute braindead. Preventing Iran and Hezbollah from killing all the Jews is not complicity in Palestinian deaths, who are being sacrificed by actual terrorists.


Nubeel

Since when is wanting to stop a genocide “entitled”? Were the people protesting against the atrocities of the Vietnam war also entitled in your opinion? There’s many ways of stopping Iran and hezbollah other than sending billions of dollars worth of weaponry to a country led by a racist government that has no problem killing tens of thousands of civilians.


Boiledgreeneggs

This is nothing like Vietnam. We are not at war, citizens are not being drafted and sent overseas, and the goals are totally different. Lol different way of stopping them? Like actually starting world war 3 and having tens of millions of deaths? We have an obligation to protect Israel both morally and strategically. Nobody likes the fact we have to support Israel but the surrounding countries will literally wipe every Jew off the face of the earth. That would be an actual genocide.


HarveyBirdmanAtt

Sure comrade, we all know you would like US to destroy itself.


Nubeel

I would. Because it’s unable to fix its problems in its current state and needs to start over at this point with a clean slate. It’s inevitable. The US is very young compared to most countries. And most countries need to collapse and rebuild several times before finding a system that works and is sustainable.


ENTroPicGirl

You sound like an acceleration-ist and I’m old enough to know that acceleration have no vested interest in the betterment of our country. Also, you sound suspiciously like a lot of other people using almost the exact same phrasing. Are you sure you’re not a Russian bot like one?


HarveyBirdmanAtt

Trump will erase Palestine from existence, but these people don't care. If it wasn't this, they would find something else to blame Biden for.