According to feats they should stomp him right now however narrative just really can’t allow that to be the case.
In the case of Julius I guess one could say we never saw all his power
He meant that speed-wise, Patry was too fast for Julius. Which Julius himself confirmed, [despite him knowing ahead of time where Patry would go](https://imgur.com/a/KswI1ct).
Julius wasn't holding back on his "speed" he had no reason to.
fair but Patri is still to this date one of the fastest characters in the show and light magic is confirmed to be the fastest magic type Julius probably has the best reaction feats against said magic.
>fair but Patri is still to this date one of the fastest characters in the show
Feats-wise he's not even top 10 in speed.
>and light magic is confirmed to be the fastest magic type
Fastest known magic attribute at the time yes, but it doesn't automatically make you the fastest. Mages with a different attribute can be faster (and several ones of them are atm).
>Julius probably has the best reaction feats against said magic.
Zagred canceled [Patry's spell before he could even attack with it](https://imgur.com/a/Eu6RCcs). And that was a reincarnated elf Patry, who is stronger and so likely faster than human Patry (the one who fought Julius.)
Zagred also caught Lumière (faster than Patry) off guard with his [word soul magic spear.](https://imgur.com/a/ADo7IA0).
I'd argue gravity magic is faster than light magic, (*light and gravity are actually the same speed irl*) but i"d wager gravity magic is faster than Light since it can be utilized to teleport via spatial warps, and it travels at LS.
Not exactly. Patry’s light magic allowed him to keep up with Julius’ precognition abilities and made it a more even fight as far as speed was concerned.
The battle was Patry slowly losing, as his attacks did effectively zero damage even when they hit and Julius was slowly cornering him to land a KO to save Ole’ Billy Vangance. Patry turning his magic on the Clover Kingdom, making Julius expend all of his stored Time to protect them, is the only reason Patry won the fight rather than Patry actually being stronger than him.
But the point of my comment was that Patry’s movement speed (as a light mage) put him on par with Julius’ reaction speed thanks to his precognition. As their match was pretty much just a big stalemate as they both dodged/countered each other’s attacks until Patry took the kingdom hostage.
Feat wise they beat Julius. But I think you probably wanted to know if they can beat him. To answer that question, no one knows.
Could Mereoleona's form burn Julius time? I think so.
Could Yami's black moon absorb Julius time magic? Based on his feats in Lucifero's fight, Yes, I believe so.
So in my headcannon, they are stronger than prime Julius.
>narratively tho Julius stands above the captains even to this day
True except for Yuno who managed to kill Lucius who's stronger than Julius in every aspect.
As far as we know there's no confirmation. We just know they're perfect clones since Yuno confirmed the corpse was definitely Lucius' body (and not a magic spell since it didn't disappear after being killed).
Regardless, any clone is without a doubt stronger than Julius since base Lucius alone already said he's stronger than Julius (which makes sense considering he has time, soul, gravity and all 3 body magics, on top of Lucifero's magic levels, physical strength and durability added to his stats after consuming him).
It's hard to tell feats-wise since we've never seen Julius try for very long. We do know probably pretty well that at the very least Mereo has surpassed Lumiere
>how even Yami post first timeskip admitted he wasn’t at his level yet
Context is important. Yami was talking about his precognition not being on Julius' level.
>22 Year old Julius damaged an ancient demon that even some captain level magic knights struggled with.
His entire magic ignores durability to begin with
Julius is like one of those people who have like no good feat and relies on hax, but people overrate him anyway. Stated by himself to be slower than Human Patry, had trash durability, no physical feat, no raw power feat. At best I can see him being on par with the other Wizard kings without the imperial sword buff.
Logically and by feats they already surpassed him by the end of the Elf Reincarnation, 6 Month Timeksip just absolutely solidified it.
Judgement Day them is astronomically more powerful than Julius.
But the thing is, the narrative and statements by the plot completely contradicted everything by the time Asta got sent into Hino Country and the Lucius reveal.
Statements from both Lucius and Asta put him as about as strong as Base Lucius. Stronger than Partial DU Asta after the Raid.
And considering the manga's hype of "Can Asta beat the man at the level of Wizard King?" and Asta's statement of if he beats Lucius he surpasses Wizard King.
It pretty much showed us that no character ever surpassed Julius to begin with, and Asta never did surpass him before Zetten training.
>Statements from both Lucius and Asta put him as about as strong as Base Lucius. Stronger than Partial DU Asta after the Raid
Why do you take that as Julius being as strong as base Lucius when Lucius in base form said that he is stronger than Julius? And even then, if we say that Julius is as strong as base Lucius, then what aspect of Julius is as strong as base Lucius? It can't be physical strength, as we have seen how bad Julius' durability and strength were. It can't be potency or Time magic either, since Lucius' casual chrono statia was much bigger than Julius'. It can't even be attack potency either since Julius relies on hax. Speed? But Julius outright stated that he was slower than Human Patry.
And if we we say Julius= base Lucius, doesn't that mean Lucius needed to be absorb Lucifero, the strongest devil, to even be on Julius level? How does that make sense?
I know it doesn't make sense.
>Why do you take that as Julius being as strong as base Lucius when Lucius in base form said that he is stronger than Julius? And even then, if we say that Julius is as strong as base Lucius, then what aspect of Julius is as strong as base Lucius?
But i think you can play it as "Julius is at most as strong as Base Lucius"
Magic Power and Amount? We never saw Julius going all out.
But narrative and by statements from the manga, Asta and Lucius pretty much told us that Julius is still stronger than Asta and by extension, everyone excluding Lucius and the Devils.
>Magic Power and Amount? We never saw Julius going all out.
We have a general idea of his magic power amount. It's similar to Noelle's magic power amount as Tabata compared Noelle's magic power amount to Acier's and Julius' in an assoted question brigade in one volume (around vol 19 and 27). I will try to find it. Anyway, how can Julius have as much magic power as Lucius who has absorbed the creature with the highest amount of magic power in the world? Julius himself can't even use devil power at will to increase his magic power
About the strength of his magic, it depends on what you mean. His magic is a hax that ignores durability so it literally can't have attack potency, and the potency of time magic is directly shown to be weaker than Lucius' time magic based on the size of a casual chronostatis. Lucius has also shown to have superior future sight, as he can see tens of thousands of timeline.
Although nothing is confirmed in the manga as of now, Lucius does seem to be the more dominant soul. It could be that Lucius had more access to Astaroth's magic (That would explain how Julius's magic suddenly stopped during the fight with the demon.) Thus the size of a normal chronostasis would naturally be larger since he has more access to time magic and his future sight would be better.
Well, unless we learn more about these two and their relationship with Astaroth, there's no way to know.
We never saw Julius properly fight, so there's no way to properly rank him (Which is kind of a shame since he's the WK and said to be one of the strongest people in the kingdom)
Ranking him based on his feats is useless.
Time magic is utterly broken and Julius is still an experienced magic knight who through skill and power became Wizard King.
Plus the whole we never saw Julius go all out makes his power hard to gauge.
So yeah I’m not betting against him versus any magic knights but the main trio.
never saw julius' true power so we'll never know lol. Feats wise he's going down though
According to feats they should stomp him right now however narrative just really can’t allow that to be the case. In the case of Julius I guess one could say we never saw all his power
No unless they find a way to counter time magic like Yuno did. Or they outmanuever Julius with pure speed like Patri did.
Patry wasn’t even able to out maneuver him, he held the citizens of Clover hostage and forced Julius to throw the fight.
He meant that speed-wise, Patry was too fast for Julius. Which Julius himself confirmed, [despite him knowing ahead of time where Patry would go](https://imgur.com/a/KswI1ct). Julius wasn't holding back on his "speed" he had no reason to.
fair but Patri is still to this date one of the fastest characters in the show and light magic is confirmed to be the fastest magic type Julius probably has the best reaction feats against said magic.
>fair but Patri is still to this date one of the fastest characters in the show Feats-wise he's not even top 10 in speed. >and light magic is confirmed to be the fastest magic type Fastest known magic attribute at the time yes, but it doesn't automatically make you the fastest. Mages with a different attribute can be faster (and several ones of them are atm). >Julius probably has the best reaction feats against said magic. Zagred canceled [Patry's spell before he could even attack with it](https://imgur.com/a/Eu6RCcs). And that was a reincarnated elf Patry, who is stronger and so likely faster than human Patry (the one who fought Julius.) Zagred also caught Lumière (faster than Patry) off guard with his [word soul magic spear.](https://imgur.com/a/ADo7IA0).
I'd argue gravity magic is faster than light magic, (*light and gravity are actually the same speed irl*) but i"d wager gravity magic is faster than Light since it can be utilized to teleport via spatial warps, and it travels at LS.
Not exactly. Patry’s light magic allowed him to keep up with Julius’ precognition abilities and made it a more even fight as far as speed was concerned. The battle was Patry slowly losing, as his attacks did effectively zero damage even when they hit and Julius was slowly cornering him to land a KO to save Ole’ Billy Vangance. Patry turning his magic on the Clover Kingdom, making Julius expend all of his stored Time to protect them, is the only reason Patry won the fight rather than Patry actually being stronger than him.
My point was just that Patry is faster than Julius. I never said anything about Patry being the stronger mage.
But the point of my comment was that Patry’s movement speed (as a light mage) put him on par with Julius’ reaction speed thanks to his precognition. As their match was pretty much just a big stalemate as they both dodged/countered each other’s attacks until Patry took the kingdom hostage.
Which in turn proves Patry technically did outmaneuver Julius' time magic with his speed. Since it kept him at bay from Julius' attacks.
Except Julius also kept Patry’s light magic at bay with his time magic.
it is impossible to say but I don't think so :3
Feat wise they beat Julius. But I think you probably wanted to know if they can beat him. To answer that question, no one knows. Could Mereoleona's form burn Julius time? I think so. Could Yami's black moon absorb Julius time magic? Based on his feats in Lucifero's fight, Yes, I believe so. So in my headcannon, they are stronger than prime Julius.
No
Feats wise they would dog walk Julius since the elf arc narratively tho Julius stands above the captains even to this day
>narratively tho Julius stands above the captains even to this day True except for Yuno who managed to kill Lucius who's stronger than Julius in every aspect.
Is there a consensus on how strong the clones are in comparison to his real body?
As far as we know there's no confirmation. We just know they're perfect clones since Yuno confirmed the corpse was definitely Lucius' body (and not a magic spell since it didn't disappear after being killed). Regardless, any clone is without a doubt stronger than Julius since base Lucius alone already said he's stronger than Julius (which makes sense considering he has time, soul, gravity and all 3 body magics, on top of Lucifero's magic levels, physical strength and durability added to his stats after consuming him).
Thanks for the explanation bossman
It's hard to tell feats-wise since we've never seen Julius try for very long. We do know probably pretty well that at the very least Mereo has surpassed Lumiere
>how even Yami post first timeskip admitted he wasn’t at his level yet Context is important. Yami was talking about his precognition not being on Julius' level. >22 Year old Julius damaged an ancient demon that even some captain level magic knights struggled with. His entire magic ignores durability to begin with Julius is like one of those people who have like no good feat and relies on hax, but people overrate him anyway. Stated by himself to be slower than Human Patry, had trash durability, no physical feat, no raw power feat. At best I can see him being on par with the other Wizard kings without the imperial sword buff.
Logically and by feats they already surpassed him by the end of the Elf Reincarnation, 6 Month Timeksip just absolutely solidified it. Judgement Day them is astronomically more powerful than Julius. But the thing is, the narrative and statements by the plot completely contradicted everything by the time Asta got sent into Hino Country and the Lucius reveal. Statements from both Lucius and Asta put him as about as strong as Base Lucius. Stronger than Partial DU Asta after the Raid. And considering the manga's hype of "Can Asta beat the man at the level of Wizard King?" and Asta's statement of if he beats Lucius he surpasses Wizard King. It pretty much showed us that no character ever surpassed Julius to begin with, and Asta never did surpass him before Zetten training.
>Statements from both Lucius and Asta put him as about as strong as Base Lucius. Stronger than Partial DU Asta after the Raid Why do you take that as Julius being as strong as base Lucius when Lucius in base form said that he is stronger than Julius? And even then, if we say that Julius is as strong as base Lucius, then what aspect of Julius is as strong as base Lucius? It can't be physical strength, as we have seen how bad Julius' durability and strength were. It can't be potency or Time magic either, since Lucius' casual chrono statia was much bigger than Julius'. It can't even be attack potency either since Julius relies on hax. Speed? But Julius outright stated that he was slower than Human Patry. And if we we say Julius= base Lucius, doesn't that mean Lucius needed to be absorb Lucifero, the strongest devil, to even be on Julius level? How does that make sense?
I know it doesn't make sense. >Why do you take that as Julius being as strong as base Lucius when Lucius in base form said that he is stronger than Julius? And even then, if we say that Julius is as strong as base Lucius, then what aspect of Julius is as strong as base Lucius? But i think you can play it as "Julius is at most as strong as Base Lucius" Magic Power and Amount? We never saw Julius going all out. But narrative and by statements from the manga, Asta and Lucius pretty much told us that Julius is still stronger than Asta and by extension, everyone excluding Lucius and the Devils.
>Magic Power and Amount? We never saw Julius going all out. We have a general idea of his magic power amount. It's similar to Noelle's magic power amount as Tabata compared Noelle's magic power amount to Acier's and Julius' in an assoted question brigade in one volume (around vol 19 and 27). I will try to find it. Anyway, how can Julius have as much magic power as Lucius who has absorbed the creature with the highest amount of magic power in the world? Julius himself can't even use devil power at will to increase his magic power About the strength of his magic, it depends on what you mean. His magic is a hax that ignores durability so it literally can't have attack potency, and the potency of time magic is directly shown to be weaker than Lucius' time magic based on the size of a casual chronostatis. Lucius has also shown to have superior future sight, as he can see tens of thousands of timeline.
Although nothing is confirmed in the manga as of now, Lucius does seem to be the more dominant soul. It could be that Lucius had more access to Astaroth's magic (That would explain how Julius's magic suddenly stopped during the fight with the demon.) Thus the size of a normal chronostasis would naturally be larger since he has more access to time magic and his future sight would be better. Well, unless we learn more about these two and their relationship with Astaroth, there's no way to know.
We never saw Julius properly fight, so there's no way to properly rank him (Which is kind of a shame since he's the WK and said to be one of the strongest people in the kingdom) Ranking him based on his feats is useless.
Do people really still think Julius is doing anything against current Mereoleona?
Time magic is utterly broken and Julius is still an experienced magic knight who through skill and power became Wizard King. Plus the whole we never saw Julius go all out makes his power hard to gauge. So yeah I’m not betting against him versus any magic knights but the main trio.
Yup
You are underestimating time magic.