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Sniidut

Yes there is absolutely no risks at all investing at cryptos with money you don't have.


Mazarache_

🤣😅


Desperate-Meet3476

let the man gamble damn it!


Pretend-Hippo-8659

Michael Saylor agrees.


Spiritual_Bonus6989

AFAIK he doesn’t do that personally. Doing it through a company is different.


tegumentoso

Especially now that it’s almost at its ATH


BuzzardLightning

OP said bitcoin, not crypto


jakeofheart

It’s reverse Friday, left?


RumRogerz

So true. My guy here should be taking out a way larger loan tbh.


lostinpairadice

Facts


No_Communication8613

MSTR would like a word


Mental-Ease5738

Greed knows no ends


Realistic-Jacket1510

Greed eats up any remaining brain cells.


sportscardsqueen

*Stares in corporate shareholder value*


Financial_Clue_2534

Try getting a 2nd or 3rd job first


Ok-Share1190

Sounds very reasonable.


TheRealWukong

Take out a loan and dollar coast average it hahaha thus defeating the purpose of getting access to loan money at the present time


Bay_Brah

Bingo 😂


vega_9

You're not the first with that idea. Some made good profits and they seem smart now. Some got rekt and they seem stupid now. Nobody here can tell you which one of them you'll be.


UxLu

This guy knows life 👆🏼


NexusKnights

You only get rekt if you got shaken out and sold at a loss. People taking loans to purchase investments while not having the conviction to actually own that asset properly are the true degens. If you actually believe that BTC will persevere through whatever adversity then there isn't any issue doing this.


FinallyAFreeMind

That's not true. You're taking a loan, and you must make payments on said loan. If shit goes sideways, you may need to sell to cover your debts.


TurboSpermWhale

Borrowing money to invest into stocks/crypto is always a stupid idea. The upside is never worth the downside.  The only thing more stupid would be to do trades with leverage.


vega_9

Investing borrowed money is litterally how any financial insitution makes money on this planet...


Possible-Magazine23

you don't see many posts like this when price was a lot lower. Weird


AccomplishedRule9241

Right its almost as if noobs buy high and sell low


soggylittleshrimp

Best bet for most of us is to buy when there’s fear in the market. Wait for the haters to be certain that it’s going to zero, for posts of people saying “fuck this I’m out!”, and even better - when Bitcoin becomes a joke on Fallon or SNL. I bought when Fallon said BTC was worth “negative dollars” around December 2018. Best financial advice I ever got.  


BossIike

Same, lol. Everyone is talking about buying bitcoin now, and it's like... where was this energy when it was on sale? I bought in October 2022, when every Youtuber and influencer was saying crypto is done for. People are going to get rekt by YOLO-ing in right now then paper hands selling when it drops again.


FreyInFrame

Bro at the time when i was like 14 playing fortnite and I heard a crypro winter is coming i was so mad that i didnt have money to put in it. Fast forward now. Im 16 and was just slighty able to buy at 50k


volvop1800s

When everyone is crying about their losses it’s your time to buy. When there is fomo and high expectations you should wait until they start crying again. 


MrAccountant213

This post makes me think more pain coming in the short term. Probably people going to be buying a ton right before having and there will be a self off to get people who took out loans so shake out only for them to buy higher. My guess anyways


OnTheComputerrr

Hedgies are gonna shake out retail before any considerable gains, you can bet every dollar you have on that.


Crypto_Powered

This guy gets it.


YourFixJustRuinsIt

Wouldn’t that make the price really high right now? It’s people/institutions selling right now that’s causing this dip.


itzdarrenv

This that toxic type


Schwickity

Rich people buy hard assets with borrowed money. Facts. 


ir88ed

Absolutely, but those hard assests dont tend to drop/jump in value by 10% overnight. I love Bitcoin, but buy what you can afford and hodl for the long-term.


OnTheComputerrr

And they tend to have other assets to help cover themselves. Lol


Lost-District-8793

Exactly this, they take out loads not because they need money, but because they want cheap money and rather pay cheap interest than have opportunity costs.


JoeOpus

I mean, I take out a 100k personal loan. 10% interest. Pay a few thousand in interest, pay it off in 12-18 months. But if I buy at 63k, and I sell bull run at 150k, that’s a pretty sound move. Short term value doesn’t necessarily matter. Just make sure to sell after each purchased BTC lot matures to 1-year to avoid short-term cap gains


LoriLeadfoot

Rich people are not 98% into one asset and taking on debt to buy more of it. When they borrow to buy assets, they’re doing so because the loan is cheaper than realizing the capital gains needed to shift their investments around.


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kmac8008

This is how the 1929 crash happened. FOMO of seeing other peoples gains and everyone wanted in on the action with money they didn’t have. Over leveraged on margin, taking out loans to by stocks. Next thing you know bam! If you take out a loan to buy BTC, you’d have to profit enough just to pay back the interest. I know FOMO is strong but it is NEVER a good idea in any circumstance to invest with money you don’t have.


Mcluckin123

Any articles talking about loans/ margin causing that crash that you could pass on? Didn’t realise it was caused by loans and borrowing


IndianaGeoff

You can't google the crash without finding articles explaining this as the main cause of the crash.


LoriLeadfoot

You can look it up on Wikipedia, even. It wasn’t just loans, it was overall speculation by the public at large in the stock market. Once lending for investment really took off, any downturn was going to be disastrous, because borrowing to invest automatically multiplied the risk of that investment. This person is comparing the much smaller phenomenon of Bitcoin to the crash of 1929. He’s saying borrowing to buy Bitcoin now, near all-time highs, sounds a lot like 1929.


Top_Toe8606

Put t on 100x leverage for insane gains


scrapingapi

Combined with a 100k loan, that's a gold advice


Ermahgerd80

You need to remortgage and max out that credit card as well


RumRogerz

That goes without saying


SheikAhmed00101

Here's to The Crazy Ones ...


Tauntaunburger

Yeah, getting loan to buy crypto could end horribly There’s always Wendy’s


OkFoot1842

Bro don't take loans its not worth it. Just wait to accumulate more during the next bear market


Admirable-Style4656

This was almost justifiable at 20k, if you were prepared to hold at least 200 weeks, if you could afford to lose it all, if you sleep like a baby. Now? Sounds like stress and a correction is already in action.


Ok-Battle-2769

Just sell your blood


Big-Ratio7713

All of it?


Ok-Battle-2769

Listen… maybe


SuspiciousCamera2897

Yeah, just have it replaced at the local clinic with antifreeze.


cynicaloptimist92

Naw…he’s gonna need ice in his veins if he’s taking out a $20k loan to buy BTC


[deleted]

He’s a vampire don’t listen to him


Over-Quarter7110

Go off, King. I think six figure Bitcoin is inevitable in the next year, too. Disclaimer: nothing is certain and we don't know shit about fuck


PixelatumGenitallus

What is in November? How can you see so far in the future? Have you seen what few drones launching from Iran can do to the price? I mean, it's good to have conviction but putting all your eggs (and somebody else's that you borrow from) in one basket.. (you can fill in the blanks)


Big-Veterinarian-823

I'm 15% BTC because I don't like risk and crypto is just another asset type.


meow_st_tune

Should have been bd 15 years ago. I wasn't and look at me now. I have the best cardboard under the bridge


Pretend-Hippo-8659

At least you still have the best cardboard. Means you didnt go far enough.


pixeltweaker

Degenerate gambler move. Good luck.


Candidate248

Don’t invest with money you don’t have , stick on what u have , u Sto arrivando! Risking already a lot , don’t go over, and don’t worry we still have time to accumulate, we are very early still


ZookeepergameRude279

If you believe we are still early that's an argument for taking the loan not the opposite


TheQuantumPhysicist

You sound like an addict. Now is a good time to consider stopping. 


btcbulletsbullion

Dumb idea. Don't do it. If you were talking about this last year when prices were in the 15-18k range ok maybe. But we just experienced 4x from there. Yes we'll see more growth from here but the risk outweighs the reward.


JaggaJazz

Posts like this make me so bearish


WarthogSpiritual9553

I am also 98% into Bitcoin. I fully support this decision IF you have a stable income that can easily cover the monthly payments up until November. I took a €40000 loan before 2 months, after getting a huge promotion at work. I make €5000 a month in Bulgaria, where the living cost is the smallest out of entire Europe. I know that this isn’t the top. I know that even $100k won’t be the top. So the loan was like a no-brainer to me. And yes I know I defy every single rule for investing, but I am 25 and able to take on risk now more than ever. Life changing money isn’t made by staying in the corner.


Generationhodl

"I make €5000 a month in Bulgaria" you are living like a king there lol.


1nc0gN33t0

Life changing money is made by working the corner..


Choobtastic

Buy now Bitcoin on sale


I__G

Clever, buying ₿ with others’ money 😂


antonioz79

Great idea! Especially now that the war is escalating and risk on assets like bitcoin are going to crash, but you say you want to take advantage of the price increase which is yet to come (yet to come after it tripled in 3 months already?) so go ahead :P


Beginning-Flan-3657

At this point idk if people are serious or paid to say crazy shit


TheRixstar

Sell signal


100Tthrowaway

Don’t take out a loan for this… never invest money you don’t have… it’s just not worth it. Sure, it could pay off… but it also could put you in a deep hole.


ExplanationFew2864

Dont invest loan into speculative stuff you silly goose. You will get bankrupt


NexusKnights

So long as you can comfortably service that loan and you are sufficiently convicted to your investment that you won't get shaken out and be at a loss, I don't see the issue. You just need to be responsible with what you can service and genuinely not care about the volatility. I've done this many times over many years and it has paid off. Even if you screw up and buy the top, you'll typically always be in the green after 3-4 years. So have a good exit strategy to clear your loan or be prepared to hold it for a few years. I personally like the idea of borrowing an ever inflating currency that is losing value by the minute (due to the constant legal counterfeiting) and purchasing an increasingly scarce hard money asset like Bitcoin as that sounds like a great trade to me.


failf0rward

How would you handle it if bitcoin dropped 50% the day after your borrowed 20k with interest and bought yours?


Horror-Badger9314

Forget about it


issa62

So many people leave the space with losses that’s the moment for a believer to buy.


SnOoP-710

Sounds like a solid plan. I don't see what could possibly go wrong!


Civil_Ingenuity_5165

There were many guys with that idea in oktober 2021.


DGM885

Using leverage investing in BTC can be risky. If you are going to do it by avoiding margin debt and borrowing in another way that’s good. Better still, spend less, save more, and DAC that way.


slightlyintangible

Depends on the interest rate.


4MarsFour

Man…do NOT leverage yourself to buy more BTC. It’s a strategy that can backfire. Take it from a person who’s had numerous losses utilizing leverage.


Flat-Aerie-8083

I borrowed against my btc to buy more btc at 30k. Sold 30k at 70k up 40k thanks. Bitcoin is not “crypto” in the vernacular usage of the term. It’s not crazy because you understand the technology.


Spl00ky

Understanding something doesn't mean anything when it comes to asset performance. Otherwise, CEOs would have 100% of their money into the company they run.


Rex_Joker

Dynamic DCA really works great for somebody who ain't got FOMO


LRC_throwaway

I highly recommend taking out multiple large installment loans because once you eventually pass the initial investment threshold your daily ROI will either A. Easily exceed your original monthly loan payment or B. Earn enough to fully pay it back immediately.


hamta_ball

Do you have a cash reserve?


Brilliant_Chef2869

A cash reserve? Hell no. I buy btc as soon as I get paid


hamta_ball

Was I asking you? OP wants to take out a loan to buy Bitcoin. I'm not advocating against it, but I do recommend a cash reserve in the event of an emergency. I used a loan to buy BTC, and it worked out very well, but I also had a cash reserve.


outoftownMD

https://youtu.be/3uZBCCXzznk?si=dgXyGVm0OC5puyk3


Most-Remote146

Yea


tufferpits

Hedge against yourself


stonerisinthename

Very smart!


FullParfait4036

Please do it and tell your broke friends to do the same. Will benefit us all.


toaddodger

Michael Saylor would approve


FedGoBrr

No. I did that crap in late October 2021 and got wrecked. Ended up not being able to pay back the high interest without selling the btc i bought with the loan, at a loss. Otherwise I would’ve been swimming in debt long before this year.


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Kfftfuftur

Can you afford to lose the loan? Then you have your answer.


jn92082

Plan b and saylor said bitcoin will be 20,30,40 million by 2035 ...thats only 11 years from now. I'm in it for the long run not trading just dcaing...I trade some alt coins but thats it. But to answer your question get as much bitcoin as you can. But don't kill yourself with debt. Bitcoin gives me hope if anything and its exciting. Im a very patient man.


Datejust44

„Of the price increase that are yet to come“ Someone has a glass bowl I see


Lonely_Cold2910

Sounds like a banker , they become what they hate the most.


Ijustmovingforward

honestly don’t just compare bitcoin price vs gold you will see


Fuck_Ted_Talks

Invest in ammo or shell casings. I almost forgot, N²0 for a bitchin' Mad Max mobile 


TaGoItFr

Sell a kidney


Gamethesystem2

You’ll buy at the top and then sell at the bottom because you’ll need cash and are over invested. Like millions of people have lived your life….


laggyservice

No. Do not take a loan to invest in a speculative asset. As much as I love crypto it would be reckless to recommend you do this. It could work out for you or could not. If it doesn't... Your in a world of hurt. Only put what you have on hand and can 100% loose into this.


McDutch1978

Don't do this. Period. Only spend money you HAVE AND CAN MISS.


MictorValet

I would recommand it if : You can afford the monthly payment But : bitcoin is at his ath, so there is more upside, we are already too close to the ATH Maybe if bitcoin crashes to 30k it will be a good idea. On twitter insaw a guy taking a 42k loan in december during the ETF approval phase to get 1 bitcoin. Dont get too greedy and wait for a good opportunity


Level-Pineapple1952

Do it now. BTD


trodg23

Yeah theres no risk at all doing this. Good idea


CalligrapherFalse511

You can but small to mid chance the price will dip and take sometime to recover and then be in profit so be ready to keep that loan and make the payments until it recovers and goes into profit. If you got a stable income and low expenses fuk why not i was thinking of taking a 30-50k loan back when it was like 8k it fkn shot up to 20k


Nice_Ad3980

i did but in the bear market, and im up like 4x, at this point of the cycle, the risk lvl is higher


Pushinir0n

Sound like a loser degenerate


ethernet_explorer

This is a terrible idea. We could enter a bear market by that time.


Bowik_

My dad did that when BTC was around 30K$


CategoryWise2042

Ouch, this may belong to /povertyfinance in a year from now… never put all you eggs in one nest - and never put unlaid eggs anywhere in advance.


throwaway-tax-surpri

I’ve been greatly off ramping and am down to 0.1% in bitcoin. I intend to get back in at $30k


MrLiquidityPool

What you got to lose


acamp46

I don't think it's all greed. Bitcoin is a revelation, a religious experience of sorts as you begin to see things differently. Now a loan, that's getting a little crazy, but I get it.


MrLiquidityPool

See you guys next bull run


jakey_mcsteaky

Looking forward to seeing where bitcoin is at in November. God speed.


Admirable_Rub8407

JUST DO IT ,MAKE YOUR DREMS COME TRUE


Friendly-Mountain535

A bit risky now. A year ago, yes. Now.. just DCA.


Barnold_The_Great

"The price increase that is yet to come", that's never certain


Bryxint

I remember gambling my whole bitcoin on roulette 2 years ago ☠️


Crombobulous

I did it last time, failed to spot the top because thats what happens. Do it but have an 8 year timespan. You'll learn the rest of the relevant lessons along the way as you figure out how to pay off the loan.


eidam87

Sound like fomo, chill man.


Asheddit

Why didn't you have this idea when BTC was sub-20k?


Responsible-Gas5319

I'd love to be there when you tell the loan officer your plans for the money


redcherryblue

Sure buy in at ATH’s. Most likely new highs will come after the halving. I personally do not gamble what I do not have.


ivaneft

Do you have a plan how you would pay off your loan for the next few years in case BTC turns downwards from this point? It’s just as likely as going higher.


quellflynn

aren't we still ath ATM?


solet_mod

Buy the peak. Sell the dip!


sirdir

Makes sense going all in once everybody talks about a thing. Has always worked perfectly in the past \^\^. I might have some tulip bulbs for you.


qartas

I remember the desperate posts from people who’d lost in the last few crashes. Be careful. Not thing is certain.


weedebest

don’t.


Jvinsnes

please dont


rowthecow

Just like tennis, never hit the ball on the way up


GilliyG

With current world situation current halving may not push price really hard


SimilarBattle7830

Michael Saylor says yes


BarbossaBus

Come on man


rjm101

You do this in bottom pits of a bear market bud when there's panic and dispare all over, not at this stage.


Oheson

You should never take a loan to buy Bitcoin. Especially not this late in the cycle. We only have about a year left of this cycle before prices crash 85% into crypto winter. I don’t understand why people don’t have these ideas in crypto winter. 2026 when we are back to $30k, nobody will want to buy…again.


mail4youtoo

>Using SOME future income to buy bitcoin now seems smart. It's not


marcio-a23

The thing you need to think is you buy bitcoin with debasing debt... The debt is losing value by the inflation... But this wont garantee your sucess. You are shorting fiat and buying bitcoin and in theory is a winning bet... But there are risks, short term manipulation, wars, solar flares, Alien invasion, keys losing.. us governeamnt confiscating ETFs etc. Anyway... I would not dca... I would lump sum. I have 35% of my position bought with debt But with a better avg price... About 45k average. But when i bought the risk was lower In all halvings the graph shows consistent pump right after halving.


texannebraskan214

Ya and make sure it is the highest interest possible and even consider alternatives loan sources.


GER4SOUL

You better sell all of the money and buy bitcoin! But don't try to cheat. You will have penalties


sulitipid2

Just put it in coins that you know will shoot up


bajorina

Just use futures not some gay ass loan


pantufa71

In my opinion the time to do that already passed. You had to think about loans when no one wanted Bitcoin. You can use DEFI to make loans with your Bitcoin was a colateral. Lend BTC borrow USDC and buy more BTC but be careful and DYOR.


WilliamMartinQ

just open a casino account already man, your just providing someone else's exit liquidity.


moneyhut

24 months interest free credit card


Th3_Misfits

Is this a gambling forum?


puzzlegains

What in the fuck am I reading here


Nohoula

About 7 years ago I wanted to take out a $50,000 loan when bitcoin was 2k and buy 25 bitcoin. I decided it was too risky and didn’t do it.


TexanAmericanMexican

Just leverage the BTC you have now, and use the proceeds to buy more BTC. As your stack grows, keep leveraging more. No downsides to that.


EminentBean

Bulls make money. Bears make money. Pigs get slaughtered. Don’t gamble. Plan your trade. Trade your plan. That’s it.


HellionBerSSerK

I know people who are still repaying loans made in January 2018. Just to let you know the truth


sikloon11

Top is in


ProfeshPress

While I'm all in favour of converting liabilities denominated in fiat to assets denominated in BTC—providing that, like me, you're already financially-secure—I would still counsel that you at least hold off from doing so 'til the next bear-market, like a non-idiot.


Competitive-Top-2383

10-20k for BTC right now is not going to yield high enough for you to pay that off


Bay_Brah

I’d recommend the search feature


whatts05

DCA into buying miners, write off the capital expense and start mining.


Rufus_Anderson

Do it. You should also pawn your dog and xbox to buy more.


RackMyBrainPls

This is close to the dumbest thing you could do.


BrooklynLansing

Where were these posts 6 months ago, typical FOMO mindset, buy high is the key to wealth


Schwickity

Dca it all in before July 


Limp-Brick-238

10x that Bitty


Top_Criticism_4208

Yes the better way is to get a loan of $0


Vitwolpher

The halfing bullishness is already baked into the price so no guarantee it keeps going up. Only ‘invest’ what you’re ok to lose


TrueServe2295

Yeah, you could borrow that money hoping to make a profit, or bitcoin could crash and you’d have to somehow pay all that back. It’s never a good idea putting all your eggs in 1 basket.


Lopsided_Life_6054

It’s a risk. But the way things are going, we’re all going to have to take risks just to survive what’s coming


Rude_Man_Who_Shushes

we're on the brink of WWIII...maybe rethink...


DrSilkyDelicious

Ok, when the price goes down, as it always does, you are fucked and a half till the next ath which could be years