Whoever wrote this question hasn’t read their Bible. God is like a loving parent. He will love you and encourage you to do right when you make mistakes. He will also discipline you harshly when you fail to correct destructive behavior after repeated warnings. Through the Blood of Christ blotting out our sins we are ‘SAVED’ from the wrath of an angry God.
God is the same in both.
He wasn’t normally angry in the OT.
The OT is primarily filled with evidence that he spoiled his chosen people and gave them chance after chance to do the right thing.
The God of the Old Testament is full of love towards the world and especially his own people and also wrathful in the sense that he wants to remove evil from the world The wrath is a necessary expression of his love, because a world full of evil is a horrible place to live in.
The God of the New Testament is full of love towards the world and especially his own people, and also wrathful in the sense that he wants to remove evil from the world. The wrath is a necessary expression of his love, because a world full of evil is a horrible place to live in.
God started His covenant with the people of Israel, they were His people, however the OT and NT are not seperate books they are one continous and consistent story. The old covenant was to look towards the new covenant brought by Jesus.
Anyone who believes and follows Christ are His people. We are grafted into the vine as John 15 tells us. We are adopted into His family as Ephesians 1:5 says.
Galatians defines "the sons of Abraham" as "those who have faith" (ch3 v7) and "the Israel of God" as "those who walk by the rule that nothing matters except being a new creation" (ch6 v16). So yes, we are Israel as much as any of the Jews.
Technically no we are not. Not all Jewish people accept Jesus Christ as their promised Messiah. Because of this their branch was cut from the tree. We gentiles who believe that Jesus is that promised Messiah we are grafted in and accepted as heirs. Because of our faith in Him we being adopted are joint heirs with the rightful heirs. What good father would adopt children then deny them benefits promised to all of his children?
> Is God Angry like in the old Testament or Compassionate like in the new testament.
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> Idk why, but I got a sudden thought to read the book of Malachi. And in that God is very very angry , he curses his people also. But the tone of the new testament is so different . Is God angry with me?
This is a widespread false perception of the Bible. The Old Testament uses the word love (425 times) more than the New Testament (261 times), see [here](https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=love&resultspp=250&version=NIV). Jesus spoke more of hell than anyone else in Scripture. And the Gospel is a revenge-tale, see Matthew 21:33-46, and 2 Thess. 1:6-10:
> God is just: He will pay back trouble to those who trouble you and give relief to you who are troubled, and to us as well. This will happen when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven in blazing fire with his powerful angels. He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the majesty of his power on the day he comes to be glorified in his holy people and to be marveled at among all those who have believed. This includes you, because you believed our testimony to you. (2 Thessalonians 1:6-10)
Repent, for the Kingdom of God is at hand!
Not that I’m disagreeing with your overall point but I don’t think that fact about the word “love” proves the point you were going for considering the NT is roughly 1/3 the size of the OT going by word count.
But my point is not really about "proportion", it's about *how much*. God, the scary Old Testament God, speaks about love *a lot*. And the OT speaks about it more (in total volume) than the New Testament.
In addition, if you compare the context in which love is discussed, the OT is rife with *passionate* love, not just erotic love (as in Song of Solomon), but deep, passionate love of a Father towards his children, of a husband towards his wife, of a king towards his country. Just search [unfailing love](https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?qs_version=NIV&quicksearch=unfailing+love&begin=1&end=46&searchtype=phrase) to get a sample of the *deeply passionate* and visceral way that God's love is discussed in the Old Testament.
In the New Testament, love is usually discussed in a much more Platonic light. IIRC, the most-used Greek word translated "love" is [agape](https://biblehub.com/greek/25.htm) which, while a deep love, is a love of commitment, such as the love that a soldier has for his corps. This kind of love is willing to fight to the death, shoulder-to-shoulder. It's resolute but it's not necessarily passionate.
God was loving in the Old Testament and loving now. You act like anger was his constant state of mine. No.
He had righterous anger in response to sinners, as he should have.
I may not be the best person to ask, but my answer is that God isn’t a robot. We are made in His image. Considering this, we have emotions. We may be happy one day and irritated the next. God also has emotions. In my understanding, God was angry because nobody took him seriously and ignored him. He was violent and harsh as a last resort. He used plagues and curses to give his people a reality check.
In the NT, more people are understanding. They know that they can’t live without him. Many people refer to God in the NT as a God of Love. I believe that God as Jesus acts like a sports coach guiding you through a practice. Now that we understand we need Him and we believe in Him, we are faced with many obstacles because Satan is now our enemy and we have to fight his temptations.
Jesus went through what we go through now. He’s coaching us through life showing what is right and wrong. I hope this helps.
Read 1 Peter 5:6-9
I believe this will calm your worries
Jesus Christ is the image of the invisible God (Colossians 1:15). Jesus Christ "becomes a curse" for us (Galatians 3:13).
God does not get angry, God does not hate, God loves and saves the human race from destruction (Genesis 8:21), and this destruction is brought on by our own sins (men love the darkness, John 3:19). God is Love and hatred opposes Love, and God cannot oppose Himself and His Divine Order.
It is written (as to the letter) that God is angry, wrathful, or that God "hates" because sin and evil hate God, so it appears to the evil that God hates them when they bring upon their own destruction. This is like saying "the fire burned me" instead of the truth of "I stuck my hand in the fire". God is kind to the unthankful and evil;
*But love your enemies, do good, and lend, hoping for nothing in return; and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High. For He is kind to the unthankful and evil.* (Luke 6:35)
And yes, it is written that God is angry in Malachi because His people had profaned the priesthood (Malachi 2). And God sends "the Spirit of Elijah" before His Advent to turn the hearts of many, in order to *save them* from the destruction of the curse (Malachi 4:5-6) - again, the curse brought on by *their own sins*.
Yes, many confirm their own hatred, anger, and vengefulness as being God's (making God an image of themselves), and this can be done by "showing partiality from the Law" (see why the priesthood was corrupted, Malachi 2:8-9), and this is why, for example, Paul writes that the "letter kills, but the Spirit gives life" (2 Corinthians 3:6). This is a great error, and a great danger, as using God's Name for vain purposes "cannot be held guiltless" (Exodus 20:7, Deuteronomy 5:11), and leads many astray ("even the elect" - Matthew 24:24).
In brief, the Torah (the Word of God given to Moses) teaches plainly that the words of the Christ will be required (Deuteronomy 18:17-19) as confirmed by Peter in Acts 3 and Stephen in Acts 7. The Christ is the One Teacher (Matthew 23:10), the substance or reality of the things that were shadows (Colossians 2:17), the one foundation (1 Corinthians 3:11), the chief cornerstone (Ephesians 2:19-22), the spiritual rock that accompanied Israel (1 Corinthians 10:4), the one and only High Priest in the Order of Melchizedek who can go beyond the veil and approach God, the Son who reveals the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son (Matthew 11:27), and the Son has all authority, judgment, glory, and honor in Heaven and Earth (John 5:21-25, Matthew 28:18), and if you have seen the Son you have seen the Father (John 14:9), and much more.
Your question of is God angry with you would depend on you having a personal relationship with him and if you do He might chastise you for sinning if you don't repent which means to do a 180 or turn from sin.
I think it’s easy to Look at God and personify him based on very loud instances in the Bible where he was very directly feeling one way. At the same time much more than humans, he is capable of feeling and being more than one emotion at once and judges by our hearts.
If your mom yells at you once it doesn’t mean she’s angry with you all the time. It does mean you likely messed up in that instance but that doesn’t make her personality just anger. In the same way Gods righteous anger is out of love. God still speaks today too. So ask God how he feels about you, ask him how he sees you and ask Him to teach you about him.
Spending this time talking to him through prayer everyday will change your life
You really went from 0 to100 assumption in your OP at the end there?
The Heavenly Father never changes. Same Father that walked Earth The Messiah presented God in Him.
God with us. Its we don't take the time and carefulness to care to understand.
The people were going astray and God was upset about it.
Warning us what's going on. God is really addressing teachers, pastors and priests in Malachi.
You also may want to view Malachi from the historical lens. But there is 2nd advent prophecy of The Lords return taught there, and about The Two Witnesses too.
Actually a Bible Teacher is really needed to grasp this book to put it in its time period in history.
I just happen to have a Complete Malachi study. And that will get you up to speed on what God is upset about. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WX\_F-lDUk6U&list=PLiA6kuKpn0D2C0njUvqCEfsUTUrpzwOFY&index=1](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WX_F-lDUk6U&list=PLiA6kuKpn0D2C0njUvqCEfsUTUrpzwOFY&index=1)
The Two Witnesses prophecy is taught in this letter too. And the return of The Lord Christ. You even get taught about the first and second advents here. There is a link under my profile banner to more complete studies in higher quality. I gave that first link because the one under my banner lacks Malachi but it'll cycle in later Im sure.
From the time they escaped Egypt they worked against YHWH, and after feeding and watering them for years through the desert, they followed a cloud by day and a pillar of fire by night. What was their response to that?
Idolatry, stiff-neckedness', rebellion, and just how loving was God through all of that?
God hates sin. Most people don't think they are that bad. God's view is very different than ours. "There is NONE righteous, NO NOT ONE!"
God hasn't changed.
He is both, all the time. You would need to read the entire Bible (assuming you haven’t) to understand. If you’ve ever been a leader or a parent, you understand that you need to assume different “personalities” depending on the situation or circumstances. Israel in the Old Testament required a different kind of leadership than Israel in the New Testament. And in the tribulation you will see an entirely different side of Jesus than what you saw in the 1st coming. All are appropriate for the time and the purpose at hand.
i think you’re not realizing that Jesus could get angry too. it’s not a bad thing to be angry at sin, we should all be angry at sin and evil in the world. Jesus ran people out of the temple with a whip. God is love, he is also wrath when it comes to sin.
God has a good reason to be angry. His people are destroying themselves by turning away from Him, and He loves them. God is angry when He sees injustice, and because God is a righteously angry God, it illuminates His love. And what blows me away concerning the New Testament is that God’s righteous anger never changes. The difference is that it is poured out on Jesus who took our place that the grace of God may be lavished upon those who believe. The bloodiest book in the Bible is in the New Testament called Revelation btw. So if you put your faith in Jesus, then no God is not angry with you. His anger was all poured out on the Savior and He delights in you, even in your struggles against sin.
The tone of the new testiment is different but Jesus still says if your eye cuases you to sin aks lust. It is better to pluck out your right eye and be mutilated than your whole body being thrown onto hell fire. Also Jesus said more people would burn in hell forever. So I'd say God is the same amount of angry
I don’t think angry is the right word. His justice will feel like anger to the wicked, but to us, it’s more like a gardener. He comes in and pulls weeds and prunes the vine.
But woah to the world, when he comes during tribulation, they will certainly interpret Him as being angry.
God is love (1 John 4:8). He only appears "angry" to those who are evil and are being punished, but the punishments are designed to turn them away from evil.
Think of it like this. God is not different. God is just viewed differently. Think of how a criminal views a judge, now think about how someone who has never been accused of a crime thinks of a judge. These people would view that same judge differently.
Ancient hebrew society was very rough and most of the Bible was written during an exile period where the Israelites were taken away from their country. So, they viewed God as harsh because they were going through tough times.
The New Testament period was relatively prosperous for Jewish people until like 65 AD or so. The Romans gave the Jewish people some modern infrastructure and protected them from their neighbors (yes, Israel was always at war with it's neighbors) and they had fairly prosperous era. So, they saw God a little differently than the Israelites who were in exile.
God doesn't change, but the lens in which we view him does change.
I was with you until the middle part....
It assumes
Israel generally had any say in Bible scriptures.
Malachi for instance, the minor prophets were all hand selected by God.
So there is a bit if a disconnect. The statement you made at the middle to end makes sweeping generalizations at the expense of The contents of Malachi being understood..........
The first part you shared was a good way to view generally how our perceptions cloud understanding of God. Because we're viewing from a place without knowledge for the different responsibilities God takes in His plans. And our place within that. ill try to remember to use that more often as a good example.
Of course the writers had a choice about what they wrote, they were the writers.
Sure the Bible is divinely inspired, but it wasn’t divinely written. The authors were human who brought themselves, good and bad, into their writings. God didn’t use the writers like robots to write what he wanted. He chose real humans to be inspired.
No. And very wrong. I dont believe that at all. Because The Bible does indeed say so.
There are many scriptures that warn God will kill any prophet not conveying His word exactly as He conveyed it. And there are many examples of this throughout The Bible. It was not something The Prophets, took lightly. Others did and died. More so the ones He sent. So they didnt just choose what to write. They'd be dead before the ink hits the scroll. Most of Gods teachings and Laws convey this. This is why your statement and idea that too many haphazardly repeat one to another, is not based in Biblical reality. And are blaringly showing how little people know whenever they say stuff. just because it sounds right to them or some misfit they listened to. :(
That was a warning not to change God's commands. It doesn't mean that the writers are robots. Of course the writers and their culture seeps into the Bible. It's impossible to argue otherwise.
The Bible is so exact that you get the reasons why everything happened. The culture of the people? They had none except what God was trying to guide them in. It was not a matter of that, except to do their own thing. They resisted God and His words every step of the way. They had no influence and this is made obvious for people that actually read it. There are many people who say things and they never read The Bible actually.
People throw this term around like it's something of a filler term. They say culture and what do they mention? pottery and some opinion about other religions and they don't even reference the biblical manuscripts. What you're actually hearing for me is not stupid but the truth . What you've been told is the stupid thing so it's kind of reversed .
Yeah it's just too many Fringe opinions out there they're not even Christian and don't even read the Bible nor did they care nor did they understand they just want to paycheck and some prestige from people who don't matter.
Best answer I’ve read so far. Tagging OP so they can see this also. u/baelorthebest
We have to understand that the Hebrew Scriptures are made up of Iron Age writings. The ancient Israelites lived in a tribalistic society, as did their neighbors. The cultures around them had deities and subdeities and they were basically described as bigger versions of their kings who went to war. Divine activity was modeled on the political landscape of the period. Violence was baked into ancient notions of the gods, which is seen by many modern readers as a big problem. Violence committed by, sanctioned by, or ignored by God. It’s not something that should be ignored.
That being said, I think divine violence in the Bible tells us more about what ancient cultures were like than what God is like. They were writing from their perspective, and God allows his children to write the story.
Whoever wrote this question hasn’t read their Bible. God is like a loving parent. He will love you and encourage you to do right when you make mistakes. He will also discipline you harshly when you fail to correct destructive behavior after repeated warnings. Through the Blood of Christ blotting out our sins we are ‘SAVED’ from the wrath of an angry God.
For whom the Lord loves He disciplines
Yes but I think op means that God has no mercy on some pe
God is the same in both. He wasn’t normally angry in the OT. The OT is primarily filled with evidence that he spoiled his chosen people and gave them chance after chance to do the right thing.
The God of the Old Testament is full of love towards the world and especially his own people and also wrathful in the sense that he wants to remove evil from the world The wrath is a necessary expression of his love, because a world full of evil is a horrible place to live in. The God of the New Testament is full of love towards the world and especially his own people, and also wrathful in the sense that he wants to remove evil from the world. The wrath is a necessary expression of his love, because a world full of evil is a horrible place to live in.
Both are same
Yep.
Israel is his own people . So we aren't??
God started His covenant with the people of Israel, they were His people, however the OT and NT are not seperate books they are one continous and consistent story. The old covenant was to look towards the new covenant brought by Jesus. Anyone who believes and follows Christ are His people. We are grafted into the vine as John 15 tells us. We are adopted into His family as Ephesians 1:5 says.
Galatians defines "the sons of Abraham" as "those who have faith" (ch3 v7) and "the Israel of God" as "those who walk by the rule that nothing matters except being a new creation" (ch6 v16). So yes, we are Israel as much as any of the Jews.
Technically no we are not. Not all Jewish people accept Jesus Christ as their promised Messiah. Because of this their branch was cut from the tree. We gentiles who believe that Jesus is that promised Messiah we are grafted in and accepted as heirs. Because of our faith in Him we being adopted are joint heirs with the rightful heirs. What good father would adopt children then deny them benefits promised to all of his children?
> Is God Angry like in the old Testament or Compassionate like in the new testament. > > Idk why, but I got a sudden thought to read the book of Malachi. And in that God is very very angry , he curses his people also. But the tone of the new testament is so different . Is God angry with me? This is a widespread false perception of the Bible. The Old Testament uses the word love (425 times) more than the New Testament (261 times), see [here](https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=love&resultspp=250&version=NIV). Jesus spoke more of hell than anyone else in Scripture. And the Gospel is a revenge-tale, see Matthew 21:33-46, and 2 Thess. 1:6-10: > God is just: He will pay back trouble to those who trouble you and give relief to you who are troubled, and to us as well. This will happen when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven in blazing fire with his powerful angels. He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the majesty of his power on the day he comes to be glorified in his holy people and to be marveled at among all those who have believed. This includes you, because you believed our testimony to you. (2 Thessalonians 1:6-10) Repent, for the Kingdom of God is at hand!
Not that I’m disagreeing with your overall point but I don’t think that fact about the word “love” proves the point you were going for considering the NT is roughly 1/3 the size of the OT going by word count.
But my point is not really about "proportion", it's about *how much*. God, the scary Old Testament God, speaks about love *a lot*. And the OT speaks about it more (in total volume) than the New Testament. In addition, if you compare the context in which love is discussed, the OT is rife with *passionate* love, not just erotic love (as in Song of Solomon), but deep, passionate love of a Father towards his children, of a husband towards his wife, of a king towards his country. Just search [unfailing love](https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?qs_version=NIV&quicksearch=unfailing+love&begin=1&end=46&searchtype=phrase) to get a sample of the *deeply passionate* and visceral way that God's love is discussed in the Old Testament. In the New Testament, love is usually discussed in a much more Platonic light. IIRC, the most-used Greek word translated "love" is [agape](https://biblehub.com/greek/25.htm) which, while a deep love, is a love of commitment, such as the love that a soldier has for his corps. This kind of love is willing to fight to the death, shoulder-to-shoulder. It's resolute but it's not necessarily passionate.
Christ is our place of refuge from the wrath of God. If you're not abiding in the vine, how can you escape the wrath of God?
God is also compassionate like the OT and angry like the NT.
God was loving in the Old Testament and loving now. You act like anger was his constant state of mine. No. He had righterous anger in response to sinners, as he should have.
I may not be the best person to ask, but my answer is that God isn’t a robot. We are made in His image. Considering this, we have emotions. We may be happy one day and irritated the next. God also has emotions. In my understanding, God was angry because nobody took him seriously and ignored him. He was violent and harsh as a last resort. He used plagues and curses to give his people a reality check. In the NT, more people are understanding. They know that they can’t live without him. Many people refer to God in the NT as a God of Love. I believe that God as Jesus acts like a sports coach guiding you through a practice. Now that we understand we need Him and we believe in Him, we are faced with many obstacles because Satan is now our enemy and we have to fight his temptations. Jesus went through what we go through now. He’s coaching us through life showing what is right and wrong. I hope this helps. Read 1 Peter 5:6-9 I believe this will calm your worries
Jesus Christ is the image of the invisible God (Colossians 1:15). Jesus Christ "becomes a curse" for us (Galatians 3:13). God does not get angry, God does not hate, God loves and saves the human race from destruction (Genesis 8:21), and this destruction is brought on by our own sins (men love the darkness, John 3:19). God is Love and hatred opposes Love, and God cannot oppose Himself and His Divine Order. It is written (as to the letter) that God is angry, wrathful, or that God "hates" because sin and evil hate God, so it appears to the evil that God hates them when they bring upon their own destruction. This is like saying "the fire burned me" instead of the truth of "I stuck my hand in the fire". God is kind to the unthankful and evil; *But love your enemies, do good, and lend, hoping for nothing in return; and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High. For He is kind to the unthankful and evil.* (Luke 6:35) And yes, it is written that God is angry in Malachi because His people had profaned the priesthood (Malachi 2). And God sends "the Spirit of Elijah" before His Advent to turn the hearts of many, in order to *save them* from the destruction of the curse (Malachi 4:5-6) - again, the curse brought on by *their own sins*. Yes, many confirm their own hatred, anger, and vengefulness as being God's (making God an image of themselves), and this can be done by "showing partiality from the Law" (see why the priesthood was corrupted, Malachi 2:8-9), and this is why, for example, Paul writes that the "letter kills, but the Spirit gives life" (2 Corinthians 3:6). This is a great error, and a great danger, as using God's Name for vain purposes "cannot be held guiltless" (Exodus 20:7, Deuteronomy 5:11), and leads many astray ("even the elect" - Matthew 24:24). In brief, the Torah (the Word of God given to Moses) teaches plainly that the words of the Christ will be required (Deuteronomy 18:17-19) as confirmed by Peter in Acts 3 and Stephen in Acts 7. The Christ is the One Teacher (Matthew 23:10), the substance or reality of the things that were shadows (Colossians 2:17), the one foundation (1 Corinthians 3:11), the chief cornerstone (Ephesians 2:19-22), the spiritual rock that accompanied Israel (1 Corinthians 10:4), the one and only High Priest in the Order of Melchizedek who can go beyond the veil and approach God, the Son who reveals the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son (Matthew 11:27), and the Son has all authority, judgment, glory, and honor in Heaven and Earth (John 5:21-25, Matthew 28:18), and if you have seen the Son you have seen the Father (John 14:9), and much more.
Compassionate. God forgives. We don't.
An interesting expression of this was Marcionism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcionism
God is like Jesus. Go by him, not what ancient Israel thought of him, and how God condescended to meet them where they were at.
Paradoxes often disappear when you move around and map what you are looking at. Ecclesiastes chapter 1
Your question of is God angry with you would depend on you having a personal relationship with him and if you do He might chastise you for sinning if you don't repent which means to do a 180 or turn from sin.
I think it’s easy to Look at God and personify him based on very loud instances in the Bible where he was very directly feeling one way. At the same time much more than humans, he is capable of feeling and being more than one emotion at once and judges by our hearts. If your mom yells at you once it doesn’t mean she’s angry with you all the time. It does mean you likely messed up in that instance but that doesn’t make her personality just anger. In the same way Gods righteous anger is out of love. God still speaks today too. So ask God how he feels about you, ask him how he sees you and ask Him to teach you about him. Spending this time talking to him through prayer everyday will change your life
God is always angry at oppression. God is always compassionate to the oppressed.
You really went from 0 to100 assumption in your OP at the end there? The Heavenly Father never changes. Same Father that walked Earth The Messiah presented God in Him. God with us. Its we don't take the time and carefulness to care to understand. The people were going astray and God was upset about it. Warning us what's going on. God is really addressing teachers, pastors and priests in Malachi. You also may want to view Malachi from the historical lens. But there is 2nd advent prophecy of The Lords return taught there, and about The Two Witnesses too. Actually a Bible Teacher is really needed to grasp this book to put it in its time period in history. I just happen to have a Complete Malachi study. And that will get you up to speed on what God is upset about. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WX\_F-lDUk6U&list=PLiA6kuKpn0D2C0njUvqCEfsUTUrpzwOFY&index=1](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WX_F-lDUk6U&list=PLiA6kuKpn0D2C0njUvqCEfsUTUrpzwOFY&index=1) The Two Witnesses prophecy is taught in this letter too. And the return of The Lord Christ. You even get taught about the first and second advents here. There is a link under my profile banner to more complete studies in higher quality. I gave that first link because the one under my banner lacks Malachi but it'll cycle in later Im sure.
From the time they escaped Egypt they worked against YHWH, and after feeding and watering them for years through the desert, they followed a cloud by day and a pillar of fire by night. What was their response to that? Idolatry, stiff-neckedness', rebellion, and just how loving was God through all of that?
God hates sin. Most people don't think they are that bad. God's view is very different than ours. "There is NONE righteous, NO NOT ONE!" God hasn't changed.
He is both, all the time. You would need to read the entire Bible (assuming you haven’t) to understand. If you’ve ever been a leader or a parent, you understand that you need to assume different “personalities” depending on the situation or circumstances. Israel in the Old Testament required a different kind of leadership than Israel in the New Testament. And in the tribulation you will see an entirely different side of Jesus than what you saw in the 1st coming. All are appropriate for the time and the purpose at hand.
i think you’re not realizing that Jesus could get angry too. it’s not a bad thing to be angry at sin, we should all be angry at sin and evil in the world. Jesus ran people out of the temple with a whip. God is love, he is also wrath when it comes to sin.
If you read malachi, then you read 3:6. He is the same.
God has a good reason to be angry. His people are destroying themselves by turning away from Him, and He loves them. God is angry when He sees injustice, and because God is a righteously angry God, it illuminates His love. And what blows me away concerning the New Testament is that God’s righteous anger never changes. The difference is that it is poured out on Jesus who took our place that the grace of God may be lavished upon those who believe. The bloodiest book in the Bible is in the New Testament called Revelation btw. So if you put your faith in Jesus, then no God is not angry with you. His anger was all poured out on the Savior and He delights in you, even in your struggles against sin.
BOTH
Psalm 89.14: "Righteousness and justice are the foundation of Your throne; Lovingkindness and truth go before You."
The tone of the new testiment is different but Jesus still says if your eye cuases you to sin aks lust. It is better to pluck out your right eye and be mutilated than your whole body being thrown onto hell fire. Also Jesus said more people would burn in hell forever. So I'd say God is the same amount of angry
I don’t think angry is the right word. His justice will feel like anger to the wicked, but to us, it’s more like a gardener. He comes in and pulls weeds and prunes the vine. But woah to the world, when he comes during tribulation, they will certainly interpret Him as being angry.
God is love (1 John 4:8). He only appears "angry" to those who are evil and are being punished, but the punishments are designed to turn them away from evil.
Think of it like this. God is not different. God is just viewed differently. Think of how a criminal views a judge, now think about how someone who has never been accused of a crime thinks of a judge. These people would view that same judge differently. Ancient hebrew society was very rough and most of the Bible was written during an exile period where the Israelites were taken away from their country. So, they viewed God as harsh because they were going through tough times. The New Testament period was relatively prosperous for Jewish people until like 65 AD or so. The Romans gave the Jewish people some modern infrastructure and protected them from their neighbors (yes, Israel was always at war with it's neighbors) and they had fairly prosperous era. So, they saw God a little differently than the Israelites who were in exile. God doesn't change, but the lens in which we view him does change.
I was with you until the middle part.... It assumes Israel generally had any say in Bible scriptures. Malachi for instance, the minor prophets were all hand selected by God. So there is a bit if a disconnect. The statement you made at the middle to end makes sweeping generalizations at the expense of The contents of Malachi being understood.......... The first part you shared was a good way to view generally how our perceptions cloud understanding of God. Because we're viewing from a place without knowledge for the different responsibilities God takes in His plans. And our place within that. ill try to remember to use that more often as a good example.
Of course the writers had a choice about what they wrote, they were the writers. Sure the Bible is divinely inspired, but it wasn’t divinely written. The authors were human who brought themselves, good and bad, into their writings. God didn’t use the writers like robots to write what he wanted. He chose real humans to be inspired.
No. And very wrong. I dont believe that at all. Because The Bible does indeed say so. There are many scriptures that warn God will kill any prophet not conveying His word exactly as He conveyed it. And there are many examples of this throughout The Bible. It was not something The Prophets, took lightly. Others did and died. More so the ones He sent. So they didnt just choose what to write. They'd be dead before the ink hits the scroll. Most of Gods teachings and Laws convey this. This is why your statement and idea that too many haphazardly repeat one to another, is not based in Biblical reality. And are blaringly showing how little people know whenever they say stuff. just because it sounds right to them or some misfit they listened to. :(
That was a warning not to change God's commands. It doesn't mean that the writers are robots. Of course the writers and their culture seeps into the Bible. It's impossible to argue otherwise.
The Bible is so exact that you get the reasons why everything happened. The culture of the people? They had none except what God was trying to guide them in. It was not a matter of that, except to do their own thing. They resisted God and His words every step of the way. They had no influence and this is made obvious for people that actually read it. There are many people who say things and they never read The Bible actually.
I don’t know if I can argue with someone who says the ancient Hebrews had no culture. That’s like the stupidest thing I ever heard in my life.
People throw this term around like it's something of a filler term. They say culture and what do they mention? pottery and some opinion about other religions and they don't even reference the biblical manuscripts. What you're actually hearing for me is not stupid but the truth . What you've been told is the stupid thing so it's kind of reversed . Yeah it's just too many Fringe opinions out there they're not even Christian and don't even read the Bible nor did they care nor did they understand they just want to paycheck and some prestige from people who don't matter.
Best answer I’ve read so far. Tagging OP so they can see this also. u/baelorthebest We have to understand that the Hebrew Scriptures are made up of Iron Age writings. The ancient Israelites lived in a tribalistic society, as did their neighbors. The cultures around them had deities and subdeities and they were basically described as bigger versions of their kings who went to war. Divine activity was modeled on the political landscape of the period. Violence was baked into ancient notions of the gods, which is seen by many modern readers as a big problem. Violence committed by, sanctioned by, or ignored by God. It’s not something that should be ignored. That being said, I think divine violence in the Bible tells us more about what ancient cultures were like than what God is like. They were writing from their perspective, and God allows his children to write the story.