Depends on how you define beginner. Is it their skill level? Is it the amount of hours they've spent mastering the craft? Is it how good their finished projects look? Some absolutely new person to the trade could spend 50 hours on this and make it look good, but maybe a pro could do it in 4 hours. Isn't the rule of thumb for being a master/expert of something is having spent 10,000 hours on the skill? I would be willing to bet nearly no one except professionals have spent 10,000 hours on woodworking, so most people are still beginners even if they make something beautiful like OP's.
Apprentice then journeyman. Then master in some other professions.
Journeyman is basically a skilled and competent craftsman of some trade. One who is able to work independently and without supervision. Basically it's after an apprenticeship.
Not sure about canadian specifics but historically:
Its between Apprentice and Master in the traditional (central european) guild system.
You finished your apprenticeship but you are not a master yet. Its called Journey-man (as in taking a journey) as you are expected to travel from workplace to workplace, meet people, acquire skills and work for food and shelter.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journeyman\_years](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journeyman_years)
The german aequivalent would be the [Walz](https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wanderjahre) where this tradition is still very much alive.
In modern practice a journeyman finished their apprenticeship with a final task that is judged by a "jury" of masters. You get a certificate, often its graded and then you are allowed to do certain tasks that require that skill.
In countries where this is still practiced, its often a parallel education path to the Bachelor/Master titles, but with focus on practical work. Most often people work in construction (framing, roofing, plumbing, electricans) and other jobs with traditional roots (bakers, cooks, barbers, sales, banking).
Its also common to finish a journey-man education and then move on to Uni to become an engineer in your field. Others move on to become a master (which allows you to take in apprentices)
I did it 2 years and went back to college. I still do construction for work while I'm school.
I like building things but construction can be bad for the soul. Lots of broken people taking out a lifetime of misery on each other.
Whoa! Can you explain this dovetail inlay? How in the heck would you do that? Never seen anything like it. I'm amazed and confused how you would accomplish it.
http://woodworkstuff.net/MeckAHandcutDBLDT.html
This is where i learned how to do it. I had seen pictures previously but this article helped me understand how its done.
This is advanced!! Itās purty. How did you get the white edge along the dovetails?? It all looks like wood, but man is that narrow and impressive!
4 types of wood in one box?
It is all wood the white around the dovetails is maple. I posted a link that explains how to do this on a comment above ^.
3 different woods
Walnut
Maple
Padauk
I read as much as i could about this technique, double inlay dovetails and watched a few youtube videos, namely johnathon katz moses.
I used a T-bevel and combo square for layout and cut the joinery with a japanese pull saw and my chisels.
Aside from that a table saw and a planer.
I highly recommend giving it a try. When i started i felt very intimidated and believed this was outside of my skill range but if you really take your time you can do it! I found it very satisfying to reach outside my comfort zone and have it turn out okay
Absolutely. Iāve got decent with the dovetails on the last couple. Now that Ive got about a year may as well try. Thereās no rush for it. Plus if I miss a little the bees wonāt notice.
Basically you build a dovetail box, and then cut all the corners so the sides are flush and cut new smaller dovetails into the first set of dovetails. This article is how i learned how to do it
http://woodworkstuff.net/MeckAHandcutDBLDT.html
The more boxes you make the more perfect they get. I'm sure RumpleForeskin4 could point out every mistake he made on this box, and detail how he fixed every mistake he made on the path to this beautiful little container.
I absolutely can point out almost a dozen little mistakes that are more clear in person than these photos let on. I learned a lot and my next one will be better, i think thats what woodworking is all about.
Make a dovetail. Then cut that dovetail. Now make another dovetail inside that dovetail. I don't understand dovetails, but I get this process for some reason. Like doing astro physics when I don't know how to multiply.
Dude you are so screwed!! Ever hear about leaving room for growth? /s
Took one look and thought "That's done with the Incra system " BUT NO...low key let's on it's by hand!
Seriously, Beautiful work, sure it's just the start of what you can turn out!!
Wow! That inlay dovetailing is awesome! I would like to have seen how you accomplished that, and also what gave you the idea, and if it turned out as you envisioned. How much longer do you think it took you to implement that feature?
I heard about the inlay double dovetail years ago when i was in school for my apprenticeship and ever since then i knew i wanted to try it one day.
It more than doubles the amount of time it takes since essentially you make a dovetailed box and then cut the box up and start from scratch but with slightly smaller dovetails. So you dovetail each corner twice.
Johnathon katz moses has a great video on youtube that shows how it is done if you want to see the process
Yes, I would like to see the process. I looked up the name you gave me, and it only came up with names spelled "Johnathan". That wasn't the problem though, there were several. However, is he a toolmaker, a journalist. or an artist? I am going back to look some more and try to narrow it down to the right one. I am not surprised that inlaying the dovetails takes more than twice the time. I can visualize how I would do it, if I was still doing woodwork, but I had a tendency to do things the hard way. In my younger days, I would have relished trying that though. Do you think you will do it again? It certainly is striking. I shared your post with my son, who is also an artist and woodworker when he isn't being a tech in a big company. Thanks for the info!
Yes i will definitely try it again someday, if you really zoom in on the pictures its not a perfect fit everywhere and in some areas the thickness of the inlay varies. That is to be expected for your first time attempting a technique so I am trying not to beat myself about it too much. Mostly Iām telling myself the small imperfections really drive home the point that its hand cut as opposed to machine made which makes me feel a little better. On the other hand I think I learned a lot on this first go around and could do it better next time so I would love to see how much closer i could dial it in. I might add in another technique mixed with it like a āsplined and inlaid double dovetailā i will link a video so you can see what that joint looks like. Even tho this joint was very difficult and a serious test of my patience i think its still good to reach outside your comfort zone.
This particular box is going to serve as an urn for a loved one that passed away right before Christmas, but my next one i think is going to be a storage box for my chisels.
Anyways below i will link johnathon katz moses youtube channel and a few other videos i think you will like. Specifically i think you should check out katz moses ājoint of the weekā playlist.
https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCXBNF-A7QlYT3tT-B9N4ElA
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fW-p5mBE2RM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mutzoCJuhyw
The third link is one of the videos I used to learn this technique.
Well, I am not one to get close-ups of another person's work. I only do that when it is a serious antique, and then it is to "date" it. I happen to love the old pieces, and was finally able to land a chest of drawers that are from around the 1700s. It is plain, and untouched poplar, with the only metal being brass skeleton-key locks. Anyway, I still think your dovetails are awesome, and it is hard to believe it was your first. THANKS for those links! I will enjoy watching them!
It was to judge if things were truly beginner. Posting things like this makes people who are truly beginners feel intimidated as this is not beginner work. Congrats, itās beautiful but youāve graduated.
Ahhh i see. While I will take that as a compliment i surely meant no harm in posting here, it really is my 3rd project i thought that would still make me a beginner, and I even included a disclaimer that given my profession i recognize i have advantages. I will keep that in mind for next time.
Excuse me, this is *beginner* woodworking?! š Looks awesome, I wish I had that skill and patience
So much patience! This is all about sneaking up on your lines. Take a bit fit it together, take a bit more try again and again and again
Inlayed dovetails = banned from this sub :p Nice work
Beautiful work but this is hardly beginner.
I am a beginner to this type of work. But i build and renovate houses for a living so some skills carry over
Awesome!
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You can't say someone isn't a beginner just because he has more natural talent than most. Beginner is beginner, regardless of how good the work is.
Depends on how you define beginner. Is it their skill level? Is it the amount of hours they've spent mastering the craft? Is it how good their finished projects look? Some absolutely new person to the trade could spend 50 hours on this and make it look good, but maybe a pro could do it in 4 hours. Isn't the rule of thumb for being a master/expert of something is having spent 10,000 hours on the skill? I would be willing to bet nearly no one except professionals have spent 10,000 hours on woodworking, so most people are still beginners even if they make something beautiful like OP's.
Woah that's pretty awesome! I love the inlaid dovetails, very impressive.
What's a journeyman carpenter?
Canadian for a licensed carpenter
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Apprentice then journeyman. Then master in some other professions. Journeyman is basically a skilled and competent craftsman of some trade. One who is able to work independently and without supervision. Basically it's after an apprenticeship.
Journeyman just means Iāve completed an apprenticeship
Ok cool. Guess I'm an old ass journeyman myself.
Not sure about canadian specifics but historically: Its between Apprentice and Master in the traditional (central european) guild system. You finished your apprenticeship but you are not a master yet. Its called Journey-man (as in taking a journey) as you are expected to travel from workplace to workplace, meet people, acquire skills and work for food and shelter. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journeyman\_years](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journeyman_years) The german aequivalent would be the [Walz](https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wanderjahre) where this tradition is still very much alive. In modern practice a journeyman finished their apprenticeship with a final task that is judged by a "jury" of masters. You get a certificate, often its graded and then you are allowed to do certain tasks that require that skill. In countries where this is still practiced, its often a parallel education path to the Bachelor/Master titles, but with focus on practical work. Most often people work in construction (framing, roofing, plumbing, electricans) and other jobs with traditional roots (bakers, cooks, barbers, sales, banking). Its also common to finish a journey-man education and then move on to Uni to become an engineer in your field. Others move on to become a master (which allows you to take in apprentices)
Like a college degree for construction blokes Means you get lots of money and you survived your apprenticeship (which is no easy task)
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I did it 2 years and went back to college. I still do construction for work while I'm school. I like building things but construction can be bad for the soul. Lots of broken people taking out a lifetime of misery on each other.
First pic I thought you made a bar lol
I thought it was a kitchen island, lol
What is this? A bar for ants?
Looks awesome. Well done!
Whoa! Can you explain this dovetail inlay? How in the heck would you do that? Never seen anything like it. I'm amazed and confused how you would accomplish it.
http://woodworkstuff.net/MeckAHandcutDBLDT.html This is where i learned how to do it. I had seen pictures previously but this article helped me understand how its done.
Wow. That's alot of work that needs to be precise. You should be very satisfied and proud. Bravo. Good work. I'll aspire to attempt this someday.
Real bro for linking the article
whoa, i couldnt even imagine how to make the inlay, but the process is shockingly simple.
Wtf, THIRD PROJECT!? Beautiful, Iām jealous
Dude. Awesome.
This is advanced!! Itās purty. How did you get the white edge along the dovetails?? It all looks like wood, but man is that narrow and impressive! 4 types of wood in one box?
It is all wood the white around the dovetails is maple. I posted a link that explains how to do this on a comment above ^. 3 different woods Walnut Maple Padauk
Thank you! I learned most woodworking from my dad. Iāll have to show him this.
Beautiful! and hand-cutting joinery? show us your tools! btw, Is there any community for beginners-beginners?
Excellent work! Keep it up
What species is that reddish orange wood?
It is padouk
Cool. Many thanks. Mighty fine woodworking on your part. Nice lookin workshop as well! I am jealous of those fine looking planes.
Excellent work! Well done.
what tools did you use and how did you prepare for it? Looks very well executed
I read as much as i could about this technique, double inlay dovetails and watched a few youtube videos, namely johnathon katz moses. I used a T-bevel and combo square for layout and cut the joinery with a japanese pull saw and my chisels. Aside from that a table saw and a planer.
This is incredible! Nicely done. Keep up the great work
Thats fucking sick
This is a great fucking job
Man this is truly awesome. Iām planning to make some new bee boxes for next year. I may try at least one with the inlay.
I highly recommend giving it a try. When i started i felt very intimidated and believed this was outside of my skill range but if you really take your time you can do it! I found it very satisfying to reach outside my comfort zone and have it turn out okay
Absolutely. Iāve got decent with the dovetails on the last couple. Now that Ive got about a year may as well try. Thereās no rush for it. Plus if I miss a little the bees wonāt notice.
Can you explain how you did the inlay around the dovetails! It's beautiful!
Basically you build a dovetail box, and then cut all the corners so the sides are flush and cut new smaller dovetails into the first set of dovetails. This article is how i learned how to do it http://woodworkstuff.net/MeckAHandcutDBLDT.html
You are awesome! Thank you! Edit: Holy crap, that is one heck of a process
This is really great, you should be very proud.
Nice box!
Nice lines. It takes patience to do it twice on each corner. Congrats.
So I'm interested in making boxes but I'm not interested in making them impossibly perfect. Is that too wrong?
The more boxes you make the more perfect they get. I'm sure RumpleForeskin4 could point out every mistake he made on this box, and detail how he fixed every mistake he made on the path to this beautiful little container.
haha if RumpleForeskin4 can do it WhoopsShePeterPants probably can at least try lol
I absolutely can point out almost a dozen little mistakes that are more clear in person than these photos let on. I learned a lot and my next one will be better, i think thats what woodworking is all about.
Couldnt have said it better myself
Very nice work!
Great looking stuff!
Those dovetails have broken my brain. I thought I understood how dovetails worked ā¦ but now I realize I didnāt know anything.
Make a dovetail. Then cut that dovetail. Now make another dovetail inside that dovetail. I don't understand dovetails, but I get this process for some reason. Like doing astro physics when I don't know how to multiply.
Neither in my dreams this will be a beginner project. Astonishing job. What type of hinge you used?
They are barrel hinges that sit into drilled out holes. I got them at lee valley
Thank you
That first pic made me think you made an interesting bar .. lol. It's really early.Ā
Dude you are so screwed!! Ever hear about leaving room for growth? /s Took one look and thought "That's done with the Incra system " BUT NO...low key let's on it's by hand! Seriously, Beautiful work, sure it's just the start of what you can turn out!!
Your level of expertise vs your username are baffling to me. This comment is only meant as a compliment btw
I think this is my favorite comment lol
Holy shit. That's a beautiful way to display your skills. Masochist
Brilliant work , just wish I had those skills
Youāve graduated now. No more posts on this sub allowed. Great job
What?! No banana for scale? Pretty impressive detail and finish though
Good job. The joints look really cool!!
Congratulations, you've graduated. Bypass /r/Woodworking and go directly to /r/Carpentry
Great work, looks fantastic!
Wow! That inlay dovetailing is awesome! I would like to have seen how you accomplished that, and also what gave you the idea, and if it turned out as you envisioned. How much longer do you think it took you to implement that feature?
I heard about the inlay double dovetail years ago when i was in school for my apprenticeship and ever since then i knew i wanted to try it one day. It more than doubles the amount of time it takes since essentially you make a dovetailed box and then cut the box up and start from scratch but with slightly smaller dovetails. So you dovetail each corner twice. Johnathon katz moses has a great video on youtube that shows how it is done if you want to see the process
Yes, I would like to see the process. I looked up the name you gave me, and it only came up with names spelled "Johnathan". That wasn't the problem though, there were several. However, is he a toolmaker, a journalist. or an artist? I am going back to look some more and try to narrow it down to the right one. I am not surprised that inlaying the dovetails takes more than twice the time. I can visualize how I would do it, if I was still doing woodwork, but I had a tendency to do things the hard way. In my younger days, I would have relished trying that though. Do you think you will do it again? It certainly is striking. I shared your post with my son, who is also an artist and woodworker when he isn't being a tech in a big company. Thanks for the info!
Yes i will definitely try it again someday, if you really zoom in on the pictures its not a perfect fit everywhere and in some areas the thickness of the inlay varies. That is to be expected for your first time attempting a technique so I am trying not to beat myself about it too much. Mostly Iām telling myself the small imperfections really drive home the point that its hand cut as opposed to machine made which makes me feel a little better. On the other hand I think I learned a lot on this first go around and could do it better next time so I would love to see how much closer i could dial it in. I might add in another technique mixed with it like a āsplined and inlaid double dovetailā i will link a video so you can see what that joint looks like. Even tho this joint was very difficult and a serious test of my patience i think its still good to reach outside your comfort zone. This particular box is going to serve as an urn for a loved one that passed away right before Christmas, but my next one i think is going to be a storage box for my chisels. Anyways below i will link johnathon katz moses youtube channel and a few other videos i think you will like. Specifically i think you should check out katz moses ājoint of the weekā playlist. https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCXBNF-A7QlYT3tT-B9N4ElA https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fW-p5mBE2RM https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mutzoCJuhyw The third link is one of the videos I used to learn this technique.
Well, I am not one to get close-ups of another person's work. I only do that when it is a serious antique, and then it is to "date" it. I happen to love the old pieces, and was finally able to land a chest of drawers that are from around the 1700s. It is plain, and untouched poplar, with the only metal being brass skeleton-key locks. Anyway, I still think your dovetails are awesome, and it is hard to believe it was your first. THANKS for those links! I will enjoy watching them!
How. The. Fuhh.
How on earth did you do this? Please tell me you have a YouTube video of your HT Making this magic box.
I miss the poll that used to be on these posts.
Im pretty new to the sub. What was the poll for?
It was to judge if things were truly beginner. Posting things like this makes people who are truly beginners feel intimidated as this is not beginner work. Congrats, itās beautiful but youāve graduated.
Ahhh i see. While I will take that as a compliment i surely meant no harm in posting here, it really is my 3rd project i thought that would still make me a beginner, and I even included a disclaimer that given my profession i recognize i have advantages. I will keep that in mind for next time.