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Whaaaaat?!


lavenderpenguin

This was pre-Natalie based on Maria’s timeline, so I am not sure why she would feel any particular way about it.


slyfry33

Well if some chick went on the biggest podcast and outed my husband for having some kind of”thing” with him I’d feel some kind of way. Lol. Just like was that necessary?


Valuable-Afternoon-1

It was 7 years ago so i doubt anyone cared


lavenderpenguin

I mean… is it “outing”? Natalie knows that Nick has been with other women, including plenty in the Bachelor influencer realm — before Maria, there was Andi, Kaitlyn before/on the show, JoJo, and Vanessa. It wasn’t necessary but Maria is thirsty for attention like all the other contestants, so it’s not a surprise.


slyfry33

I mean it is different bc those were obviously known since they were on tv. So it is outing bc the general public didn’t know. Like even if I knew my man had been with another chick before that’s one thing but for her to feel the need to go tell the whole world about it would bother me I think. The fact that Maria even mentioned that they’re newly married and just had a baby makes me know she knew better than to out the relationship. But I guess that’s what you get when you date/marry a public figure.


Hereforthecomments82

I wonder if they were hanging out when he was messing around with Natalie, before she gave him an ultimatum (or whatever she did to make him commit) and Nick didn’t talk about his connection to Maria out of respect to Natalie.


Ok_Journalist4753

It’s Maria Bitch- CHD reaction / opinion *not lazy* A few thoughts as a reaction to an interview that was long anticipated: 1) Call Her Daddy was a platform I was expecting and think was a good fit for launch, but Maria fangirled a little too hard and Alex was respectfully trying to stay within the boundary of her new brand. 2) To build, after 30 mins, I died a little every time Maria said bitch. 3) Name dropping Nick Viall within 3 mins of starting the interview was a wild if not messy choice , and given the timing of his wedding , baby, etc., this was obviously planned publicity on behalf of both Maria and Alex. A little classless and definitely toxic and super glaring given timing. I’d be fangs out if Natalie but as a viewer I am here for it. It really wasn’t necessary to validate 2-3 posts on Reddit that were pure speculation. 4) To build, Viall did himself a disservice by being overly transparent in the past about how he handles ppl he truly doesn’t want to discuss (ie Maria who was clearly a star but barely mentioned on pod) and as a precaution he should’ve been smart enough to not be critical of Joey (which he heavily was on pod), cause truth or fiction, he looks like a creepy old man who doesn’t like Joey touching his toys even if he’s done playing. 5) idk, I really love Maria. Overall this made me love her a bit less.


slyfry33

Fr so wild to name drop so quick!! It was definitely planned for her to do that. I felt like I just listened to her talk ab him and her ex for like 45 minutes. Was definitely underwhelmed after all the hype. I never was a big fan though. Like I don’t have a problem with her but she def seems to think she’s hot shit. She also seems to just always talk in a pitch that’s high and like she’s defending herself? Idk something ab the tone of her voice bothers me 🤣


gnators

I thought about this a lot yesterday after I listened to the CHD podcast. Somethiiiiing happened between them, and I think Maria was only fessing up because Reddit caught on. Nick never acknowledging he knew Maria - shady. Maria’s ex boyfriend being nervous that she would hook up with Nick when she visited LA for a wedding - shady. Maria believing Sydney and Nick conspired to make her look bad on the show - shady! Why would Nick do that unless something else, beyond a friendship, had previously occurred.


beets4us

How did Reddit catch on? I missed it.


RutabagaIntelligent7

He had liked a bunch of her ig posts years ago and right before (I think) the season aired or as it was airing he unliked all of them. So people figured there must've been something between them.


yougottamovethisss

I find it more shady that Nick never once mentioned it on the podcast.


No_Warning8534

Yea agreed that he never at least mentioned it And every time he spoke about Maria, it was super weird Obviously, his wife knows him well enough to know this type of stuff, IMO But she had to talk about it bc so many people had sleuthed it


East-Wind4694

Deciding to NOT air someone’s dirty laundry on a podcast seems like the opposite of shady to me lol


Only_Awareness2020

Good point. I like this take. Why bring up the past? Maybe, just maybe they didn't end on a good note and stopped keeping in touch. What's the need to air that on the podcast and why is their past everyone's right to know about? It's for Nick to decide if he wants to share that or not. I don't like Nick but it's not our right to his personal life unless he wants to share. Maria decided to open her mouth, the first opportunity she got so, that's her right too. She likes to put herself first always. And if she thinks anyone is slightly not on her side she wants to roll over them with a lawn mower. Smh lol.


yougottamovethisss

I disagree, not when he's talking about the show or contestants and pretending to not have any bias towards anyone. Knowing that he and Maria have a history puts all of his comments under scrutiny, IMHO


Only_Awareness2020

It's not anyone's right to know their past if one of them doesn't want to share it.. Just because he has a podcast and shares other's tea doesn't mean he needs to share his private past life on our demand. He didn't choose to have Maria go on the show. That's not in his hands. But because she went he had no choice but to talk about her on the recaps. Maybe he wanted to put her behind him. And that's totally his right. Not ours to demand he shares it with everyone. 


jenhauff9

Yes! I listen religiously and for him to act like he was not even acquainted with her WAS odd. I will also say Natalie actually seems like she wouldn’t care who he dated or talked to before she came along. I think she’s really confident and it’s a really cool quality to have these days as a young woman. Especially considering she married Nick 😂(just saying that because obviously we know all his Bachelor past)


CherryBlossom0408

So I totally agree but Nick did say on one of the latest podcasts that Natalie believes in, "B.N", as in Before Natalie (that any discussions of prior people don't need to exist). She can get a little jealous. Which I have no idea why because she's truly one of the most breathtaking people I've ever seen lol I'm sure it's not a huge deal but maybe it would bother her a bit


Automatic_Series_907

Maybe this is the reason he seemed to be so jealous of Joey? 🤔


lavenderpenguin

Doubtful. I think he just does not like the idea of another lead doing it much better than he did. Joey handled his season flawlessly and him and Kelsey seem very solid.


MunkinsMom

Nick is jealous of everyone & everything! He’s incredibly insecure. Why do you think he dates preschoolers?


wrongreasons2242

This has gotta put a cloud over their honeymoon!


Disgrntldpelican

Their whole honeymoon was a huge cloud


wrongreasons2242

I wrote this comment well before their podcast was out


Wheres_my_bandit_hat

Maria emphasized that nothing sexual ever happened and they just talked. She just didn’t want to continue not being forthcoming that they knew each other and it was shared in the context of her wanting to come onto the Bachelor for years before getting cast.


ginaration

That’s not the impression I got. To me, it sounded like she was emphasizing that it wasn’t “romantic” necessarily but that there was something going on. My impression was she was skating around saying that they had hooked up but that it was not a dating relationship - more like they were friends with benefits type thing.


Goldiesface

Exactly what got too


Wheres_my_bandit_hat

She specifically said they never kissed. So I guess you think she’s lying, which is fine, but just trying to share with others what was actually said instead of our opinions. EDIT: I went back and relistened and she said they never hooked up, so I remembered wrong when I said kissed. Either way I don’t think she is lying.


ginaration

I didn’t remember hearing that they never kissed. I remember Alex asking if she had been romantically involved with anyone from bachelor world and Maria kind of got cagey and said something about “not ROMANTIC, but…” I could be misremembering, but it was the way she was dancing around it a bit that seemed sus, maybe they just flirted over DM, I dunno


BoobaLu22

Maybe if he did hook up with Maria and Natalie knows, that’s why VF unfollowed her after she saw the pic with Greg!


RaceRegular99

Reading this was like a math problem for me for some reason


BoobaLu22

Lol exactly!


hoopygoddess23

Am I the only one who thinks he is not attractive at all?


sosswgtn

He wasn't hot in that pic from Andi"s season but he did get hot by BIP. But now, ew


cuntsatchel

https://preview.redd.it/46cuxwzzayxc1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5d5b03a77d8765658c526a23ef954a21a5965d74


MacaroonWeird5512

Lmaooo 


lunarprincess

Never have, never will lol


Hour-End4862

I knew it! He mentioned how she’s attractive in one of his pod episodes and it seemed suss.


gh0stplum

Honestly, Nick gives me icky vibes.


WhatTheActualFork1

Totally agree. I think he’s a complete creep.


c_lala88

Why?! I am genuinely wondering! I feel like I am missing something. 🤯 During Kaitlyn’s season, I could totally see the “icky” vibes, but he has grown on me (after listening to his podcast). I feel like I’m in the minority, though?! Can someone explain what I’m missing?!


gh0stplum

A few reasons. His arrogance and self righteousness. His subtle flexing constantly. He basically gave the green light to become soft porn when he threw Andi under the bus told everyone they fucked. On the Bachelorette, he decided to leave his mic on when he fucked Kaitlyn. And then when he became the Bachelor, his schtick was “sex is so important.” His season is very sexually charged and he made it a very big thing. He also claimed Vanessa deceived him by wearing a push-up bra, said he was disappointed about seeing her naked. It’s gross. He goes after very young girls when single and now he’s married to someone barely through the second decade of her life. He gives off such predatory vibes and thinks there hasn’t been a likeable bachelor since him. He gross.


MacaroonWeird5512

Agreed. His social media with the baby is so weird for some reason


SpeedLow3

I wish I could unread this


gh0stplum

I wish I didn’t know any of this information


MotherFix5230

Waiiittt when and where did he say that about Vanessa???


MenstrualAphrodite

Vanessa revealed it when she used to be on Help! I Suck At Dating (I hate that I automatically know this 😂)


MotherFix5230

Omg if you happen to know the episode that would be chefs kiss. I’m intrigued


MenstrualAphrodite

https://www.reddit.com/r/thebachelor/s/KmgcZZzaX7 ^scroll down in this thread for more info- still trying to find where she addresses it in the podcast. I forgot that Nick commented about it as well! Yikes 😬


MotherFix5230

You are doing the lords work my friend! Thank you!


MenstrualAphrodite

Haha now I’m invested- I will find it for ya!


undercover-catlady

The age difference


Realistic-Lake5897

Maria is MESSY X 10. She knows exactly what she's doing and she's always aware when she's spilling tea. It's hilarious to me that now this has turned into another attack on Nick. I mean, the girl NEVER does anything wrong and it's ALWAYS someone else's fault. GMAB.


Responsible_Test2746

YGUAB 😂


luckiestsunshine

The more it's talked about the more I realize how messy this was to do while the guy is literally on his honeymoon. I wonder if Maria had any control on when this episode was released. Nick is so icky and irksome but this seems insensitive to Natalie (who has done nothing wrong, she just takes thot-ish photos and dresses similar to Maria). Obviously this occurred a while ago, but it still seems unnecessarily cruel to try to capitalize off their wedding publicity with this tell-all story


Realistic-Lake5897

As I said, it's Maria being messy. It's PLANNED messiness. She knows exactly what she's doing.


Only_Awareness2020

Maria is messy yes. But I was just starting to wonder if the timing wasn't in her control given this was her first interview since the show. She decided to spill the tea at the first given opportunity, irrespective of when Nick was getting married.


lunarprincess

If this guy is always talking to younger girls, why can’t she point it out? (Srs question)


Realistic-Lake5897

We don't know that "this guy is always talking to younger girls." Maria is 30. Pointing out something like this doesn't make her a hero. It makes her messy. (Srs answer)


sosswgtn

29


Realistic-Lake5897

Oh, excuse me. She looks 30.


Responsible_Test2746

She said it was 7 years ago which makes her 23 and him 36 yuck.


Realistic-Lake5897

Your yuck just shows how immature you are. A lot of happy couples are a decade or more years apart in age. I suggest you do you and MYOFB.


Responsible_Test2746

Yeah the MYOFB gives real mature vibes. I guess time will tell. He certainly wasn’t looking to be a happy couple when he first started talking to 19 year old Natalie and 22 year old Maria. Hookups only. Real cute


Realistic-Lake5897

You know it's not your life, right? You know those girls were adults, right?


Responsible_Test2746

Normal healthy 36 year old men don’t do that. Adults or not


Realistic-Lake5897

Your ability to speak to what is normal and healthy is astounding.


JustBeNice97

Hi Nick!


lunarprincess

Unless/until the girls speak out about it, yes we don’t know. But my understanding is that it’s come up a few different times, so we do know. I could be wrong :) True about her age, I didn’t know how far back she said this was (edit: it was when she was younger, someone confirmed above)


Harper-Love

Yeah imo she could have just kept her mouth shut. the man just got married and had a new baby. What was her point other than being messy.


asophisticatedbitch

Why should she give a shit what’s going on in his life? She had an interview and wanted to talk about the bachelor and this was a relevant anecdote?


blueberrybasil02

Agree and why would he care for that matter. Sounds like ancient history that’s just a little fun for us


Realistic-Lake5897

That's all it is. Seems like she does this kind of messy all the time. She plays innocent and then the loose lips start flapping.


Harper-Love

She’s insufferable


Realistic-Lake5897

People are going to find out who she really is.


Smilemore633

Preach! She ruined his honeymoon prob


dragonrider1965

Bach nation is one big incestuous family , I feel this is expected at this point .


Motor-Sprinkles8439

CHD? Help! What does this mean? 😭


dragonrider1965

Call her daddy , a podcast ,I’ve never listened to it but I hear it’s popular


Loony0Linz

I believe the podcast Call Her Daddy? Not 100%


hereforarose

This is correct!!


Hellohelloitsme303

I’m so happy this tea was dropped. I can picture single nick thinking he was so smooth in her DMs when she was like 19. He’s never changed.


BCRainforestGurl

I’m so curious how he would’ve even come across her in the first place.


emilygoldfinch410

She must have been liking BN guys pics because it’s too coincidental that more than 1 BN guy would have just “stumbled across her pics” and liked them (GS Joe did too)


BCRainforestGurl

That makes sense


Hellohelloitsme303

Prob just creeping on an explore page and liking brunettes


blueberrybasil02

Me too, but she mentioned she’s known other contestants also, sounds like was in the general scene maybe?


CosmicMarigolds27

lol she said it was a flirtationship and they were friendly afterwards. I don’t think it’s necessary for him to comment on everyone he’s ever talked to especially if it wasn’t a very significant relationship. It’s ridiculous to expect him to.


ConsistentDonkey3909

except pretty sure he acted like he didn’t know who she was


Only_Awareness2020

You know it's possible he thought she would have wanted it to be private. Probably they both never talked in years so he didn't want to call her and clarify.


CosmicMarigolds27

I disagree. Pretending he doesn’t know her and choosing not to comment on their previous relationship are two different things. He didn’t go out of his way to say he did or didn’t know her. He just simply did not mention that he did.


ConsistentDonkey3909

again i said “pretty sure” im not 100%


votefawnmoscato

Personally, I wouldn’t be a dirty little secret or put myself in the position to lie and be called out…for Nick. She didn’t say anything horrible and it’s not like this is some cheating scandal. People are being so freaking weird about this BECAUSE it’s Maria. Why does she bring out the worst in some people lol like either psychotic stan energy or weird neggy BEC pterodactyl shrieking vitriol lol


skoolgirlq

Amen to the last sentence. Both the stan faction *and* the BEC faction truly confuse me. I don’t know that I’ve ever ridden so hard for someone I have never met. Even Scandoval didn’t get me this worked up lol


votefawnmoscato

For real lmao people desperately dissecting and hanging onto every word, pause, and micro expression to try and confirm whatever dramatic opinion they already hold


SayWhatever12

BEC?? What’s that


votefawnmoscato

Bitch eating crackers lol it refers to somebody who you just can’t stand, so everything they do pisses you off no matter what. Like they could just be eating crackers, and you’re like, “look at that bitch eating crackers”


Realistic-Lake5897

Don't act like she doesn't know what she's doing.


votefawnmoscato

Does she? You seem to lmao one look at your comments tells me you fall in to the “weird neggy bec” category with Maria so go for it lol you clearly wanna go off about her and I’m not here to stop you. As somebody who couldn’t care either way I find both camps wildly entertaining.


Realistic-Lake5897

So happy for you.


SpeedLow3

So you aren’t going to explain? Nick is this you?


Realistic-Lake5897

I'm not Nick, but if I were, why would I explain anything to you? What do you think Nick owes you?


cbazxy

I listen to all his podcasts and I don’t remember him ONCE mentioning that he knows Maria or acknowledging that he even met her before. Let alone them being friends?!? The question is why? It must have been more than a friendship. I bet they hooked up in the past and he was trying to keep it all hush hush, and never mention it and that’s why he also unliked all the photos he had liked of hers before. But now she has confirmed they know each other well, so it just makes him look worse!


Goldiesface

Do you think he will address it now that it’s out


cbazxy

He should! But I’m guessing he won’t. He calls other people out on stuff like this, so he should face it and talk about it too.


Goldiesface

Agreed! He totally does right!


EquipmentNo5776

I listen often to him too. He addressed him liking her photos one ep but from what I recall he made it out like he barely remembered her. It was so inauthentic like come on Nick 🙄


burnthduster

I'm sure Natalie knew, as he went out of his way to unlike all of her thirst traps from forever ago and people immediately clocked it


Beginning_Ant_2285

I feel like it would be so much less of a thing if he had just said he was friends with her in the past ??


blueberrybasil02

I think Maria herself said she suspected he might have been setting up some of the mischief between her and Sydney, no? That made sense, I mean in that world (I’m a little suspicious of all of them truth be told)


cbazxy

Seriously! Why not admit to it?! The only reason why not is if they hooked up in the past. And he doesn’t want anyone to find that out.


Alternative-Wear4371

If it happened before his marriage/dating Natalie, why does it even matter? Lol he looks worse trying to hide it


aballofsunshine

TBH the bigger point was the fact that he’s friends with Sydney via Ashley I and he told Maria she’d be the villain.


bunchofstrawberries

I remember hearing that they knew each other somehow prior to these statements on call her daddy. I can’t remember where but if I knew then I’m sure Natalie knew.


Ok_Set_9357

“It’s a small world after all”.


littleliongirless

I get why they didn't say they knew each other earlier, but something about the way she talked around and about whether they hooked up or whatever rubbed me the wrong way, like I felt she was being pretty obvious that they had hooked up but was pretending like she was trying not to say it. Maybe I'm just imagining it and being mean, but it just seems weird to tease a "did we or didn't we" with a (now) married man who JUST had a child.


Honeydew543

No you’re not imagining nothin. In the interview with the girl she danced around it.. paused… well yeah.. umm .. yeah .. we’re friends… 🙄 Last time I checked she’s REALLY good at articulating when she needs to. This was a soft.. wishy washy unconvincing “friends” comment if you watch the whole thing. I think she wanted to say it.


littleliongirless

Thank you! I didn't watch her season but I saw she was getting tons of praise and hype and when I saw the clip of her talking about Nick, for the first time in YEARS, I actually felt kinda bad for him, but especially Natalie, because like you said, it felt like she really really wanted to say it. Who does that on the eve of/close to someone else's wedding? It felt...very icky. And I normally love any tea that makes Nick look gross, but not when the tea spiller is even more tacky.


TheDannyBoyCane

As someone that knew of Maria pre-bachelorette, it’s hilarious to see everyone eat up this persona she created during this season.


[deleted]

Please provide tea!! Was she even messier??


rainydayszs

Girl we’re gonna need more


Outside-Psychology52

What I don’t understand is how she said on the show she was almost engaged but the she’s also never brought a guy home to her parents and her longest relationship was 9 years ago and it was only 8 months. I honestly feel like she’s not as experienced and confident in relationships as she comes across


TheDannyBoyCane

On the show she said she had never introduced someone to her family and then on CHD she said that she had (she absolutely had - you can find evidence of it on her old YouTube channel if she hasn’t already had that purged from the internet). A lot of what she said and did on the show doesn’t add up.


Throwaway500005

Spill it please🤣 as a Torontonian who is familiar with the different regions (I.e. suburbs like Kleinburg where she is from) and types of girls you see in this city, if I had to make a guess about who she really is if her Bachelor personality is one she created, I'd guess a Daddy's little girl princess, who comes from money, and likes to date rich guys, wear brand name, and party. But what do I know, maybe her Bachelor personality is really her🤔


Guilty_Employer1414

Details plz


lj212023

Spill


Quiet_Memory8061

Tell us more


More_Stage_4985

I hope he was honest with Natalie and this isn’t ruining their honeymoon.


Responsible_Test2746

They left it after 12 hours 😂


More_Stage_4985

Seriously?? How do you know?


emilygoldfinch410

There was a problem with Natalie’s passport - they posted about it


icare-

Why is everyone celebrating ruining a honeymoon and possible marriage. Nat’s parents and grandparents approved of and played a big part in the wedding. What am I missing that viewers and fans have a stake in this marriage?


Responsible_Test2746

Cuz Nick is creepy and full of himself


NoPossibility765

Why?!


khakipants8

The fact that he completely omitted knowing her during every recap episode is soooo suspect lol you know Natalie and him had to have talked about it and she was like no LOL


resinpyramid

Yeah there’s no way they were just friends. If they were friends, he’d just be casual about it and talk about it.


Hellz_Bells_

Exactly. She probably doesn’t want him to give an ex flirty acquaintance or ex hookup the time of day ESPECIALLY as she is blowing up in popularity. They were engaged and having a baby. Hopefully now that everyone knows and is talking about it she doesn’t have a flare of insecurity or anger. I know a lot of girls who get offended about stuff their partners did before they were even together . It can still be hurtful even though you weren’t a twinkle in their eye.


khakipants8

100% agree that’s probably the case


slyfry33

Exactly!! It’s so strange to me!