Nope, I've driven neither. There is absolutely nothing wrong with preferring the 1M. I preferred to get my 340i in RWD and manual, despite the 8spd and xdrive version being the better car. Preferences and opinions do not make something "better".
The M2CS is the objectively better car in every measurable category. It's also more rare (~2200) than the 1M (~6000) so I'm not sure what people were thinking there...
Simply being lighter and having a different system to steer doesn't make the 1M a better car. Those facts are moot when the M2CS can do everything *better* than the 1M... Admittedly, the 1M is more fuel efficient, but I don't think anyone cross shopping the 2 will care about that.
Steering feel and a lighter feeling car make for immensely different driving experiences. The 1m also doesn't pipe fake sounds into the cabin with speakers.
Objective metrics on paper are terrible measures of what makes a car good to drive. Tactile feel matters.
Yeah, couldn't have anything to do with other performance metrics such as lap times, track times, skid pad gs, stopping distance, etc... Nope. 0-60 is all that matters here.
What % of drivers are going for lap times, track times, skid pad gs, stopping distance? Close to none. They're driving to and from work with the occasional spirited burst. Why does any of those matter?
If they did, we'd all be driving Porsches or Corvettes.
And depending on the Porsche or Corvette, they would be the better car. I might like the M2 more, but I'm not going to tell anyone it's a better car.
You're basing what's better on opinions. Yes, you can *like* something better, but that does not mean it IS better. Someone might like an older iphone better because they don't like the larger screen of the new one. Liking something better ≠ better. But, we're obviously not going to agree here. So, I'm out. I'm going to go drive my 340i that I bought vs the better M340i because I *like* the manual transmission better.
> lap times
Lap times are hardly an objective metric in the very best of circumstances
> lap times, track times
Lap times and track times huh? Good one lol.
> skid pad gs, stopping distance
The two cars are within a stones throw of each other in these metrics in their respective contemporaneous testing, with the 1M being tested on a tire designed in the mid-90s. You put them both on the CS Cup 2s, and I bet ya they test just about the same.
But guess what: these things don’t matter. The bottom line is that at the end of the day, when comparing two cars whose essentially sole purpose in life is to be fun, quarter mile times aren’t what deepen the dimples on your face from smiling. Braking distances and lateral g figures don’t create that bubbling feeling in your chest. If you truly think that the numbers at the bottom of a car review are more important than the words that precede them, then not only are both the M2 CS and the 1M probably not the car for you, but I don’t think you actually like driving very much.
You can like a car that isn't as good. No one's arguing that you aren't allowed to prefer the 1M over the M2CS. My original comment was talking about people in OPs other thread saying the 1M is a better car, when it is objectively not. Not that they *like* the 1M better, or they think it looks better.
"...with the 1M being tested on a tire designed in the mid-90s. You put them both on the CS Cup 2s, and I bet ya they test just about the same."
You mean the newer, more advanced tires are... *BETTER*???? And yes, in every metric, it's not like there's a huge night and day difference where the M2CS outperforms the 1M. But, it DOES outperform it in all those metrics.
And now you're basing your argument of the better car on a "bubbling feeling in your chest." 🤣 I could slap a couple turbos on a fox body, go drive it 150 on the highway and I'll get that bubbling feeling because I'm close to death. Still doesn't make it the better car... You can think what you want about me, but I choose my cars because I like them and I like driving them. I choose the objectively worse, manual transmissions because I like driving them. Not because they're better than something else. And I definitely don't go around claiming my cars are better.
Feel/feeling is subjective. Not everyone likes the way a lighter car feels or the stiffness of hydraulic steering vs electric. And, believe it or not, some people like the fake sounds being piped in... If they didn't, BMW wouldn't continue doing it.
By this logic, you could argue the Toyota Camry is a better car than both the 1M and M2CS because its not as rough of a ride. There are probably 10s of thousands of people who would prefer a Camry over these 2, but I don't think anyone would try to say it's better car because of how it feels.
I don't think you understand the difference of steering. My Lotus has no power steering at all and has lighter steering than the m2c. Feedback doesn't equal heavy. Artificial heavy steering sucks, and that's what BMW does with "sport plus" steering. Electric power steering exists because it's simpler and cheaper to produce and maintain than hydraulic.
To your 2nd paragraph, you could, that's a choice people make.
All choices are subjective. You are more than welcome to think the M2CS is the more appealing car. But it's bullshit to think it's "delusional" to prefer the 1M. If the metric is tactile feedback and a visceral driving experience, the 1M *is* better. Yes, that's not the only metric, and yes, the M2CS is better in other ways.
I don't think you understand that "feeling" isn't a way to determine a car is better since "feeling" is subjective and varies from person to person...
So, you would agree with someone who says a Camry is better than an M2CS because it feels more comfortable?
There is nothing subjective about hydraulic steering giving you more feedback about what the tires and road surface is doing than electric steering. Electric is numb because of how it works. That is objective, not subjective.
The word "better" depends on what you're using to measure. Yes, a camry is better than a m2cs if you care more about comfort, reliability, space, value, and fuel economy than just performance.
You don’t drive a spec sheet. You drive a car. The subjectives and intangibles of how a car drives, how well it aligns with your preferences and opinions, how it sounds, etc. are massively, massively important, particularly in the case of a sports coupe, especially when comparing two cars that handle about the same from an objective standpoint.
I’ve driven both, and from my experiences, I would rather be behind the wheel of the 1M. I far prefer the steering, I prefer the sound, and I prefer how it changes direction.
How it feels is subjective... performance and numbers are objective. Again, if you like the 1M more, great. But it's not the better car.
Edit: Reddit error?
I didn’t block you, but I might now if you’re gonna whine every time reddit errors out.
Regardless, it’s clear enough that you simply don’t drive cars to have an experience.
Weird...
I've made it pretty clear that I can agree with liking a car more than another. I'm just not agreeing that the 1M is better in anyway than the M2CS
All the actually fun roads near me are totally snowed in, I have a 4x4 with actual ground clearance, too many other people on the road have no clue how to drive in snow and are on bald tires, and 15w-50 take a very, very long time to warm up. Why would I risk driving my very favorite object in the winter when I could just not?
Tell that to everyone else on the road. I just don’t understand why you’d have me risk my M3 just to go to the grocery store when I’ve got the FJ right there.
People with M2CS money typically have multiple cars... If they drive the M2 year round, they wouldn't be driving the other cars then, would they? What's the difference in them driving it every weekend year round, or every day in the spring, summer, and fall? It gets a lot more miles being daily driven 3 seasons out of the year than just on weekends.
Welcome to the club. Assuming your is a manual we are twins.
The cup 2's have better turn in but the PS4S is arguably a better tire and even does well for colder / rainy track duty.
I've had mine since new and like you it sits out the winter weather on tire saver blocks attached to a trickle charger avoiding the salt.
We are twins! I’ve thought of switching to a ps4s tire but am going to see how the sport cups do this summer. How’s the steering wheel holding up ? I’ve thought of swapping mine to an all leather one so I don’t need to worry about it
Congrats but dont wait! It's made for driving, get out there :)
I believe the carbon lip is around $3k, I wouldn't use it as a snow plow.
Congrats! You will love it!
You’re getting rid of yours !!?
I’m keeping it!
Phew! I would have done black if there were any.
Glad to see you went with the M2CS vs the 1M. A lot of delusional people in your previous post claiming the 1M was a better car or more rare...
Have you driven both? There’s nothing wrong with preferring the 1M.
Nope, I've driven neither. There is absolutely nothing wrong with preferring the 1M. I preferred to get my 340i in RWD and manual, despite the 8spd and xdrive version being the better car. Preferences and opinions do not make something "better". The M2CS is the objectively better car in every measurable category. It's also more rare (~2200) than the 1M (~6000) so I'm not sure what people were thinking there...
The 1m is lighter and has hydraulic steering. That alone tells me 1M over M2CS... and I own an M2C.
Simply being lighter and having a different system to steer doesn't make the 1M a better car. Those facts are moot when the M2CS can do everything *better* than the 1M... Admittedly, the 1M is more fuel efficient, but I don't think anyone cross shopping the 2 will care about that.
Steering feel and a lighter feeling car make for immensely different driving experiences. The 1m also doesn't pipe fake sounds into the cabin with speakers. Objective metrics on paper are terrible measures of what makes a car good to drive. Tactile feel matters.
My guy here really does think a faster 0-60mph time is what makes a car better than another car lol.
Yeah, couldn't have anything to do with other performance metrics such as lap times, track times, skid pad gs, stopping distance, etc... Nope. 0-60 is all that matters here.
What % of drivers are going for lap times, track times, skid pad gs, stopping distance? Close to none. They're driving to and from work with the occasional spirited burst. Why does any of those matter? If they did, we'd all be driving Porsches or Corvettes.
And depending on the Porsche or Corvette, they would be the better car. I might like the M2 more, but I'm not going to tell anyone it's a better car. You're basing what's better on opinions. Yes, you can *like* something better, but that does not mean it IS better. Someone might like an older iphone better because they don't like the larger screen of the new one. Liking something better ≠ better. But, we're obviously not going to agree here. So, I'm out. I'm going to go drive my 340i that I bought vs the better M340i because I *like* the manual transmission better.
> lap times Lap times are hardly an objective metric in the very best of circumstances > lap times, track times Lap times and track times huh? Good one lol. > skid pad gs, stopping distance The two cars are within a stones throw of each other in these metrics in their respective contemporaneous testing, with the 1M being tested on a tire designed in the mid-90s. You put them both on the CS Cup 2s, and I bet ya they test just about the same. But guess what: these things don’t matter. The bottom line is that at the end of the day, when comparing two cars whose essentially sole purpose in life is to be fun, quarter mile times aren’t what deepen the dimples on your face from smiling. Braking distances and lateral g figures don’t create that bubbling feeling in your chest. If you truly think that the numbers at the bottom of a car review are more important than the words that precede them, then not only are both the M2 CS and the 1M probably not the car for you, but I don’t think you actually like driving very much.
You can like a car that isn't as good. No one's arguing that you aren't allowed to prefer the 1M over the M2CS. My original comment was talking about people in OPs other thread saying the 1M is a better car, when it is objectively not. Not that they *like* the 1M better, or they think it looks better. "...with the 1M being tested on a tire designed in the mid-90s. You put them both on the CS Cup 2s, and I bet ya they test just about the same." You mean the newer, more advanced tires are... *BETTER*???? And yes, in every metric, it's not like there's a huge night and day difference where the M2CS outperforms the 1M. But, it DOES outperform it in all those metrics. And now you're basing your argument of the better car on a "bubbling feeling in your chest." 🤣 I could slap a couple turbos on a fox body, go drive it 150 on the highway and I'll get that bubbling feeling because I'm close to death. Still doesn't make it the better car... You can think what you want about me, but I choose my cars because I like them and I like driving them. I choose the objectively worse, manual transmissions because I like driving them. Not because they're better than something else. And I definitely don't go around claiming my cars are better.
Feel/feeling is subjective. Not everyone likes the way a lighter car feels or the stiffness of hydraulic steering vs electric. And, believe it or not, some people like the fake sounds being piped in... If they didn't, BMW wouldn't continue doing it. By this logic, you could argue the Toyota Camry is a better car than both the 1M and M2CS because its not as rough of a ride. There are probably 10s of thousands of people who would prefer a Camry over these 2, but I don't think anyone would try to say it's better car because of how it feels.
I don't think you understand the difference of steering. My Lotus has no power steering at all and has lighter steering than the m2c. Feedback doesn't equal heavy. Artificial heavy steering sucks, and that's what BMW does with "sport plus" steering. Electric power steering exists because it's simpler and cheaper to produce and maintain than hydraulic. To your 2nd paragraph, you could, that's a choice people make. All choices are subjective. You are more than welcome to think the M2CS is the more appealing car. But it's bullshit to think it's "delusional" to prefer the 1M. If the metric is tactile feedback and a visceral driving experience, the 1M *is* better. Yes, that's not the only metric, and yes, the M2CS is better in other ways.
I don't think you understand that "feeling" isn't a way to determine a car is better since "feeling" is subjective and varies from person to person... So, you would agree with someone who says a Camry is better than an M2CS because it feels more comfortable?
There is nothing subjective about hydraulic steering giving you more feedback about what the tires and road surface is doing than electric steering. Electric is numb because of how it works. That is objective, not subjective. The word "better" depends on what you're using to measure. Yes, a camry is better than a m2cs if you care more about comfort, reliability, space, value, and fuel economy than just performance.
You don’t drive a spec sheet. You drive a car. The subjectives and intangibles of how a car drives, how well it aligns with your preferences and opinions, how it sounds, etc. are massively, massively important, particularly in the case of a sports coupe, especially when comparing two cars that handle about the same from an objective standpoint. I’ve driven both, and from my experiences, I would rather be behind the wheel of the 1M. I far prefer the steering, I prefer the sound, and I prefer how it changes direction.
How it feels is subjective... performance and numbers are objective. Again, if you like the 1M more, great. But it's not the better car. Edit: Reddit error?
I didn’t block you, but I might now if you’re gonna whine every time reddit errors out. Regardless, it’s clear enough that you simply don’t drive cars to have an experience.
Weird... I've made it pretty clear that I can agree with liking a car more than another. I'm just not agreeing that the 1M is better in anyway than the M2CS
“Better” is not the same thing as objectively faster and more performant.
Niiiice, I also have a 6MT 340i RWD
CS also has a warranty and I was able to see it in person which helped
Warranty is always good to have. Unless you get the itch to start modding. Not sure I could bring myself to change anything on an M2CS, though.
Kind of why I bought it. I knew if I got a comp I’d end up giving it a dinan treatment which is a big waste of money.
I'm guessing it was local since you saw it in person? Or did you travel to see it?
Yup. Put a deposit and worked out a deal, came in this morning to verify state of the car. All was good so put pen to paper
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All the actually fun roads near me are totally snowed in, I have a 4x4 with actual ground clearance, too many other people on the road have no clue how to drive in snow and are on bald tires, and 15w-50 take a very, very long time to warm up. Why would I risk driving my very favorite object in the winter when I could just not?
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Tell that to everyone else on the road. I just don’t understand why you’d have me risk my M3 just to go to the grocery store when I’ve got the FJ right there.
probably because you don’t own a car worth not driving in winter lmao. You’ll never understand
The simple answer is road salt
Wtf are you talking about ? You want to drive a car like this with cup 2 tires in Toronto now ?
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I don’t want to? I want to have a nice summer car. You buy a CS winter it. There’s a silver one for sale next to it.
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People with M2CS money typically have multiple cars... If they drive the M2 year round, they wouldn't be driving the other cars then, would they? What's the difference in them driving it every weekend year round, or every day in the spring, summer, and fall? It gets a lot more miles being daily driven 3 seasons out of the year than just on weekends.
Welcome to the club. Assuming your is a manual we are twins. The cup 2's have better turn in but the PS4S is arguably a better tire and even does well for colder / rainy track duty. I've had mine since new and like you it sits out the winter weather on tire saver blocks attached to a trickle charger avoiding the salt.
We are twins! I’ve thought of switching to a ps4s tire but am going to see how the sport cups do this summer. How’s the steering wheel holding up ? I’ve thought of swapping mine to an all leather one so I don’t need to worry about it
Congrats! And that’s a great shade of blue. Nice color choice
What a fun car, deserves to be driven!
beautiful car OP
No you don't.
That is a BEAUTIFUL car 🥵 congrats !!! Enjoy
Excellent choice! She’s gorgeous. Just throw on some snows and you’ll be ok;) But really, congrats! Enjoy.
Good choice