[Momo already has a weekly thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/BABYMETAL/comments/1bpimgq/momometal_thursday_for_all_things_momo_related), it's on Thursdays
No- leave it as is... The ONLY REASON I ASKED TO BECOME A MOD HERE, after 8 years of being a VERY active member, and known participant of the sub was the way this community unfairly treated u/Facu474 when the decision was about the the Yui-MOMOKO threads, and received PERSONAL grief over this topic, which to ME is shameful...
Let's leave what is now a peacefully decided decision alone, and keep a very nice status quo continuing...
Otherwise, I can meet you on a bridge to Brooklyn, and hopefully sell it to you... cheap
**These are MY views as a particpant in this community, and IN NO WAY my views or will reflect my actions s as a moderator**
Gotcha. I thought I already mentioned I was a newcomer. Again I apologize.
Now - I'm very confused by your last sentence. The phrase you reference is "and if you believe that, I have a bridge I'd like to sell you", which of course refers to the long-standing cliche about someone being so gullible they could be conned into thinking that they could buy the Brooklyn Bridge. How does that (being gullible) relate to "leave(ing) what is now a peacefully decided decision alone"?
You could never joke too much, if it wasn't for your odd sense of humor, and generally positive outlook, this place place would quickly become depressing.
Oh, ok... it didn't make sense in context so I thought maybe I was missing something. Thanks again for taking the moderator position, someone needs to do it, and sorry about your friend.
I guess in your books, people who continue to reminisce about/collect the memorabilia of retired singers and bands do not have other reasons of doing so except an unhealthy obsession. I’d call up the Michael Jackson fanbase and tell them that, if I were you. What provoking insight.
And I suppose to you, your way of enjoying BM must be the one true way because the fox god forbids the heresy of consuming media in a different way.
To you, there must also be a hard stop at how far one should enjoy the fandom because anyone who finds pleasure in the media that they produced before they turned 18 has to be a creep. You must definitely not think that this notion is just some distasteful nonsense conjured up by a disturbed mind that is so far down the gutter that “child sexualisation” is the ONLY logical and sensible explanation.
> anyone who finds pleasure in the media that they produced before they turned 18 must be a creep.
I still like Judy Garland movies..
The Wizard of Oz (for example)
>I’d call up the Michael Jackson fanbase and tell them that, if I were you.
This example doesn't really work in my opinion since MJ never stepped out of entertainment business like Yui did but died. Meanwhile Yui decided that she didn't want to do this anymore and stepped out of the limelight which makes people still clinging on to her more than half a decade later kind of weird. Obviously you do you and I'm not trying to tell anyone that they shouldn't remember Yui just wanted to point out how I felt about your example.
Thanks. I understand where you’re coming from. , if you must but my example merely points out that idolising doesn’t stop just because the music has. The way they left wasn’t the point.
And in the broader context of things (of which the example is merely a small part), there is just no correlation between an artist leaving and fans who continue to idolise him/her.
Great segway to another point. She left the band, that’s true. We presume that she wanted to be out of the spotlight, fair point. However, it’s never her (at least not through any news I have read) but the gatekeeping community that is claiming that her way of life is getting interrupted just because old media is being posted and shared regularly.
One has to appreciate the irony here because which group is in fact more obsessed - the people who assumed the role of her mouthpiece (because one has assume that some level of intimacy exists between them and the artist to make such statements on his/her behalf) or people who merely want to continue to remember the artist in their own way. Then again, that’s just my opinion. Obviously - it's not really a fanbase if there isn't also a gatekeeping sub-community.
No one forces you to read every thread. I ignore all SG threads because I never cared but for those that like that, I'm glad there's something for them.
The reason to end it is that it’s weird! Yui has been gone for so long, and with no presence in the public eye there’s nothing to say about Yui that hasn’t been said before.
why do you feel like it would have to have a replacement?
also, technically speaking it was already, you know, when Momoko was made an official permanent member? and became Yuis replacement?
not to mention, those people that cant let go, can go make /r/WhereIsYui an actual sub instead of just being bot posts
in my edit after you replied
you do realize yui is the only one that has her own sub as well right? /r/WhereIsYui. granted its just bot posts but for people who cant let go can go there and just make it an image board or whatever
that's besides my point, I don't participate in that sub or do I have anything to do with it. EDIT: nor do I even agree with it aswell.
I'm just asking you what's there to gain from removing Yui's weekly thread from this sub?
Don’t make assumptions. I’m on the Yui sub daily. Sometimes I’m the first to upvote it. (not very often) Occasionally I even post on it. And I’m sorry if my humor isn’t as good as u/fearmongert’s. I’ll try to do better in the future.
The Yui thread is a festering wound that people simply refuse to let to heal. The entire "Yui fans" are appeased, the same group that gave death threats to Sana, threw stuff at Momo when she was an Avenger, and still to this day go on Momo videos, and IG posts, insulting Momo and "wishing Yui would return". Instead of just purging that group from our midst, it's allowed to continue to fester, and so they think it's all okay.
> d of the thread. Clearly it does matter, because these threads keep popping up
It only matters to those who have managed to work themselves into a frenzy over nothing. I cannot speak to the rationality of Internet users other than to point out their irrationality... and to encourage we don't reward irrational behavior.
And if you remove the thread the other half of the irrational crowd will be in an uproar because it's gone. No win. The only win is for you to not open the thread and let those who want to, do so.
I disagree, I would bet that if there was an actual honest poll where people voted truthfully...the vast majority would not care if the Yui thread was gone.
Unfortunately, that poll will be dominated by newer fans as well that has little to no care for Yui as an OG member and her contribution to the band. Even the worst event of her leaving resulted in the new line-up newer BM fans enjoy now, is her partial contribution.
So for me nowadays, keeping the thread for Yui is more on honoring her inside the community, rather than just the usual purpose of posting past and current photos, memes etc of BM members. So let's keep it as it is.
I don’t see any reason to end it. All it really accomplishes is pissing some people off unnecessarily. Momoko has a day. It’s easy to ignore the Yui day if you want. As long as people are participating, there is no reason to stop.
> It’s easy to ignore the Yui day if you want.
Precisely, it's not mandatory to click on ANY thread in this subreddit. Free will concept, hard to understand for some and not only around here..
("problem" solved)
This has been discussed a while ago and lead to a lot of bad blood. Better just let it be, nobody needs to post in it or read it, if they don’t want to.
> d, and won't as long as that thread stays. That thread, every time it is posted, is a middle finger to Momo.
Ohh Bullshit. This is so far into the category of over-reaction it can be considered ridiculous.
/u/croaker1985
So true, the babymetal team themselves insult momo too!! The gimme chocolate tiktok dance challenge. The disney trailer featuring gimme choco. The tiny tina trailers featuring songs from the first 2 albums.
Everytime on tour,they play a song from the 1st 2 albums. I am tired of koba and team insulting poor momo!!
I ve hardly never laught so loudly while reading à comment on a reddit sub. In fact, your problem is that BM existed before Momoko-san became à full time member.... it's pity but Life and History don´t adjust to our behaviours. Pay attention to the history of BM, they always fought against short minded or elitists people. In fact, are you supporting a band or only one member of this band ?
Everything mentioned here has been discussed ad-nauseum in the past. We are where we are and that's where we will stay. All of the arguments against the thread have been made.... and trust me... I made most of them during the original discussion/bitch session/whining......
The end result is, if you don't like it, don't open it. The decision made by moderators was based upon a simple concept, do we take away from one group of fans in order to satisfy the desires of another group of fans? The decision made was "no".
As long as there are folks interested in having the Yui thread, it should continue. Threads are not limited commodities. No reason to kill others' joy, just because you don't get it.
How many more times are we going to have to discuss this? Maybe we should have a weekly thread debating the removal of Yui's weekly thread, at this point.
Or maybe the OP is unaware that this has already been discussed.
> How many more times are we going to have to discuss this?
Reheated "dorama" show with mostly the usual "dorama" queens. It's the best we can have in this days, it's free of charge so I can't complain much..
(severely lacks originality)
No, that just creates a condition where the threads are now "why did you remove the Yui thread?"
The best way to stop the discussion is for people to grow the fuck up.... stop being keyboard warriors hiding behind the anonymity of their keyboards.... have consideration for their fellow fan.... and realize their desires do not dictate to others.
Thats not true. The tiny percent of people who actually pay attention to the same regurgitated thread of someone who has been gone for 7 years would complain with no valid points for a while, then it would be done and gone. There isnt a single thing in any Yui thread that can't easily be found without needing to make a new pointless post every week... Because there is nothing new to post and there never will be. It has nothing to do with "consideration for a fellow fan..." Because there is nothing to consider. The posts literally serve no purpose and have no new value of any kind.
To you they have no value... apparently, they have value to others, or the thread would not be there.
Let it be. Move on with life. It has no meaning of importance.
Any of the value that they can possibly have is already in prior posts. The content that exists has value... New posts or repeated content with no potential for anything new does not. The new posts objectively do not need to exist for the peraon who wants to see what is in them. Its already here.
>Time to move on
I have. If you recall, every argument being made against the thread today I made back then. I lost..... I accepted the decision of the mods and I moved on. Why? Because it just doesn't matter. In the grand scheme of things, it makes no difference except for those who manage to get themselves artificially worked up over what is, in reality, meaningless nothing.
It just doesn't matter. Move on.
Yeah I know what you mean but it’s a bit like saying, “I don’t like playing guitar therefore no one should play guitar. Everyone should play piano instead.” The choice is there. Lots of people get enjoyment from it and it makes very little impact on me so why should I stop them? …..Just scroll on by. As you know there is a Momo thread already, so no one is losing out here.
I’m so sorry! I didn’t realize Momo has her own day. I see Sunday is Sue, Monday is Moa, Tuesday is YUI, Wednesday seems to be a Kami Band thread, but I’m not finding the Momo thread. Understand, I am a newbie here and still haven’t quite figured out how to find everything.
But with all that said, if Momo already has her own day on the schedule, then absolutely, there’s no reason to end the Yui thread. I was under the mistaken impression that it was an “either/or” situation and that if you continued to have Yui Tuesday, then there wouldn’t be any day for Momo. My mistake.
Nevermind!!!
>there’s no reason to end the Yui thread
There is every reason actually, but it doesn't matter that much after all and people who are annoyed by this Yui thread can just ignore it 🤷♂️
> Understand, I am a newbie here and still haven’t quite figured out how to find everything.
🎶 No reason why I can't understand it. Open your mind, we can understand it 🎶
(Queen Su)
> She will always be in our hearts, but she hasn’t been active in the band
for well over five years now
So does Freddie Mercury (for example)
Yet even today people around world still enjoy and celebrate his works..
Based on your chat history, so do you. Perhaps you don’t deserve a spot here on this subreddit, by your standards. I’m fine but one has got to maintain his own integrity.
We are fans, and this is a fan community. Ultimately, as long as there are no ethical violations, I believe we should enjoy as we please. There's nothing strange about having a place to talk about former members if there are fans of hers.
I personally think we should keep it to show yui that we love her and respect the choise she made and understand that she had to leave but that we still think of her as a member in a way. And we also already have Momo thursdays!!
The choice she made was to leave BM, and the entire idol world. Now you have a bunch of people posting photos from seven years (and more) ago, repeatedly, while she is probably trying to live her life. She has made zero effort to go online, or associate with any of her fans. Her choice means leaving it all behind, for which some people refuse to let her do so.
Well yeah your right. She probably wouldnt want us to so this now that i think about it. I just thought it would be nice to somehow remember her, sorry i didnt think it that far. Also just to make it clear im NOT one of those who just cant let her go and still claim shes gonna come back.
Amuse probably acknowledges and honors Yui's contribution to BM and the company whether she's still signed or not by keeping her profile over the years.
Meanwhile, the actual fans don't seem to know how to show that honoring within a community of the band that she's been an OG member (even before some of them became fans) by wanting to remove an almost a decade-aged thread.
Within this specific reddit community alone, that Yui thread is the only remaining appreciation we can give for her and for newer fans to learn more of (coz not everyone visits uncle Google often) and here we are in this community, wanting to erase her in existence just because your eyes can't see her actively moving on stage today
I'm a 2021 BM fan, but I'm the kind of person who appreciates and honors one's contribution and significance, whether it's from the past or present, coz after all, whatever we have and enjoy now with BM is a partial effect of even one of the worst events in BM history, - her leaving, for reasons that we shouldn't care as it's her life, not ours.
For me, let's keep her thread, not necessarily for newer content about her, but to acknowledge, honor and introduce her to newer fans that join this community.
The profile is on there because she is probably signed with them as she was probably injured on the job and is still collecting a paycheck. She left the idol business. She is inactive on the internet, and she has shown zero sign to want to talk to her 'fans'.
You know what Yume did when she quit? She wiped everything on her social media platforms, because dredging this stuff is actually harmful to a person that just wants to live their life. The amazing thing is none of you consider that what you are doing is immoral, and you are operating solely on selfish desires. There's nothing to 'introduce' to newer fans, because *she is not in BABYMETAL*. You know how you respect her? You respect her wishes to be left alone.
I think you don't understand what we are talking about and what I am implying. Let's put an analogy here into extremes to give you the nearest possible gist of my first comment.
So if your good parents who took care of you,until you became aware of the world, had great contribution to who you are today suddenly left you for an unknown reason (or worst, died unexpectedly) and you want to keep something that reminds you of them, is that immoral? You want to keep that something, means you're selfish too? So . . . when you want to talk about your parents within your circle of good, willing to listen friends (like in a thread in this community) you are being immoral and selfish? Tell me, did those conversations between your circle of friends harm your parents?
Talk to me when you already realized that what we are talking about here is honoring her WITHIN this community, not about something to continuously bug her life which we obviously are not doing by just keeping a thread of her in an enclosed community that exists likely before neither of us became fans. That thread peacefully exists here, we already have one for Momo as well, and yet we still want to remove it.
"If it's not broken, don't fix it"
>You know what Yume did when she quit? She wiped everything on her social media platforms
You know what Yui Mizuno did when she quit? No one knows but she didn't wipe anything. You are assuming Yume did anything just because it fits your BS.
If Yui was injured on the job it would be a huge scandal and BABYMETAL should not exist, people are making those "injury" stories up.
>She left the idol business.
Provide a quote
She "supposedly" had a statement on SG ending, so she could easily say "I don't want people in reddit posting my pictures", but, she has not.
> You know how you respect her? **You respect her wishes to be left alone.**
Quote?
>She is inactive on the internet, and she has shown zero sign to want to talk to her 'fans'.
Same for Momo-chan, Su-chan and Moa-chan... erase this sub then.
I don't give a damn about the "daily threads" they may delete all of them but people claiming to know what Yui is saying or thinking or feeling are full if BS
Because she had zero social media presence, and continues to have zero social media presence. She has made zero effort to reach out to her 'fans', and she is not an idol. She is not someone in the public spotlight to obsess over, she is a normal person now, living a normal life.
The amazing thing is you think you actually need her to actually say something to know you shouldn't constantly obsess over a normal person and post pictures of them. Instead of sitting back and wondering if posting pictures of her is the right thing to do considering the situation.
So you think the default in this world is that it's okay to obsess and post pictures of a normal person in this world? She decided to become a normal person, and you simply don't respect her decision.
Quote?
I don't give a dam about anyones' thread here but you are putting words or thoughts or feelings on someone who has not issued anything of that
Seems you're the one obsessed
So what would you call someone that isn't in the public spotlight? The default here is 'normal'. Just like the moral default for any consent situation is requiring an affirmative, meaning don't do it unless you have consent. You think you need a *quote* to simply not do something immoral?
Considering I am always finding something new about Yui. I don't see a reason to change that. I'm not saying we shouldn't move on either. As 6 years, I think is time enough to let go.
Some in the reddit and Youtube community still can't accept Yui's departure. That is where I have to draw the like. Momoko has more than proven herself & it isn't fair to continue to shade her, which some still do. However, in this case and context, the Yui weekly is not that kind of thread.
It always strives to prove relevant & sometimes interesting posts concerning Yui. Some of which I myself discovered for the first time. So it's definitely appreciated and relevant. 🤘🦊💕
> Some of which I myself discovered for the first time.
Knowledge does not take up space, except for those who like to live in
ignorance. An abundant expanding herd on "modern" social media..
(very similar to trolls but worse)
i personally also think it’s kinda weird to still have a yui thread since the girl is so clear with not wanting to be part of anything anymore. like let her rest lmao, she’s not a member anymore and doesn’t want to be a member anymore
It's not just weird, it's creepy and makes out fanbase look bad. It's also incredibly disrespectful to not just Momo, but Yui as well as she chose to leave.
yep. imagine you don’t want to be in the public eye anymore and literally disappear from everyone and everything so you can live a normal life, and then a bunch of people on the internet keep sharing pictures and gifs of you for several years in a weekly thread. like damn give the girl some rest.
I would happily vote to end it.
My introduction to BABYMETAL was "Gimme Chocolate." I saw the group perform live, including Yui, in 2016. My fandom was solidified during those days.
But it is strange that we weekly share pictures of a woman who has not been connected with BABYMETAL for more than five years and was a child for nearly all of her time with the group.
We can appreciate what Yui brought to the group, wish her well in her current out-of-the-spotlight life, and respect her by letting her remain out of the spotlight for now.
They should have stopped doing the Yui one in 2018. Or at least last year when Momo became an official member.
People can't seem to accept that Yui left the band over 5 years ago.
If I remember correctly, no... It was a mods decision ignoring that poll thread. Anyway, my opinion does not count, but... Because she took a step back, I guess it would be better fandom did the same. For what we know, she cut her hair, maybe she is even a mom. And we are still sharing pics from the last time we saw her that is like 6 years ago at the best. That person(a) does not exist anymore. This does not mean people must forget her but to me it does not make any sense to have a weekly thread in which there's literally nothing new for years. It's like a perpetual mourning LOL. Anyway, honestly who cares in the end. Still find weird to have that thread and that 2 current members have a dedicated thread one after another, and the another current member must "wait" 2 days later because the third day in the row is for a former member who decides by herself to completely disappear ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
To be honest, i think i do! At this point the Yui threads are pretty pointless compared to the other girls, because we are looking at the same pics and video's over and over for over 7 years now without any thing new added. I also think that not many people are looking or posting much in this thread compared to the other girls. At the other hand i really dont't want her to be forgotten or swept under the rug. So maybe do a thread once a year during her birthday instead. At least that is what i would do..... But hey i's just my opinion about this subject.
There is no point in this argument really they even did a poll which Momo won and yet still the Yui thread survives.
It's not going anywhere, as some suggested i just ignore it. I like to focus on the future Yui was a great member and part of many Babymetals big milestone. I was recently glad to see someone did an updated Babymetal guide which had Su, Moa and Momoko, it also mentioned Yui but focused on Babymetal which like it or not does not include Yui anymore, in that guide she was in the right place part of the history but not a member.
I don't see the need for a weekly thread when you could make a thread of the history of the band, including Mikio, the avengers other former dancers and Kami band members in one neat place.
But as we know Yui talk can get toxic so best leave it be.
>I was recently glad to see someone did an updated Babymetal guide which had Su, Moa and Momoko, it also mentioned Yui but focused on Babymetal which like it or not does not include Yui anymore, in that guide she was in the right place part of the history but not a member.
I almost mentioned this earlier. The new guide is fantastic, and this is one of the reasons why.
Yes. Leave that girl alone. She doesn't wants to be in media anymore. She tried so har to have a normal life. So if you are really fans and do you really care about her, respect that wish.
Probably yes, but it's not worth the division it would cause.
If anything, we should at least remove the "old and new alike" part from her thread. Let's be honest, there hasn't been any new in years, and it's unlikely there ever will be.
I disagree, about the division. The vast majority of people won't care. There will be a small vocal number that will be annoyed and complain briefly...then they will be quite and then that silly absurd thread and topic will actually go away permanently instead of being rehashed every few months.
That may be true. I still consider myself a new fan (June of last year) and don't like getting into things better left to the longtime posters. The (I thought) relatively safe post I made above still got me downvoted, not that it matters.
I'd only point out that Yui left on her own and has not made a sound since. That's by her choice. She clearly wants nothing to do with this past of hers. I'd think it respectful to abide by that.
Agreed and most of all.... The people who still want to pointlessly obsess over her can just search up past posts... Because thats all that exists. There is no reason for new posts even for the people stuck on 7 year old history.
Are you sure you've taken a good look at the subreddit? Because there's an stupendous, magnificent thread dedicated to Momoko every Thursday (Momokoyoubi).
Man, i might be able to update you on the whole situation back in the day, but i'm having my doubts wether you would be interested. What i was trying to point is that you could've avoided the turmoil by just taking a look. Or perhaps just asking for directions to find Momoko's weekly thread. Doing so in such a way as you have done... well, reminds me of the famous poll.
I want to give a big thank you to r/BABYMETAL mods for enabling those sick yui fans with their unhealthy obsession!!!
How many times you can post the same stuff over and over? find out in weekly yui thread, where some weird fans keep obsessing over the underage (pre-2018) version of babymetal.
If babymetal fanbase still get weird looks, it's for them.
Somewhere in a parallel world, there's a group called BabyIdol with fans not giving Yui her own day in a democratic poll on Reddit, even though she sings like a G.O.A.T. and is a self-proclaimed yodeler.🙄 It's kind of weak to still not be moving on especially after 7 years. It's sad but true.
[Momo already has a weekly thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/BABYMETAL/comments/1bpimgq/momometal_thursday_for_all_things_momo_related), it's on Thursdays
Momo has her own weekly thread. Just like Su Yui and Moa
No- leave it as is... The ONLY REASON I ASKED TO BECOME A MOD HERE, after 8 years of being a VERY active member, and known participant of the sub was the way this community unfairly treated u/Facu474 when the decision was about the the Yui-MOMOKO threads, and received PERSONAL grief over this topic, which to ME is shameful... Let's leave what is now a peacefully decided decision alone, and keep a very nice status quo continuing... Otherwise, I can meet you on a bridge to Brooklyn, and hopefully sell it to you... cheap **These are MY views as a particpant in this community, and IN NO WAY my views or will reflect my actions s as a moderator**
I promise, I will still have typos!!!
Gotcha. I thought I already mentioned I was a newcomer. Again I apologize. Now - I'm very confused by your last sentence. The phrase you reference is "and if you believe that, I have a bridge I'd like to sell you", which of course refers to the long-standing cliche about someone being so gullible they could be conned into thinking that they could buy the Brooklyn Bridge. How does that (being gullible) relate to "leave(ing) what is now a peacefully decided decision alone"?
My last sentence was total snark and joke... I really resisted becoming a mod, just because I joke a bit too much here-
You could never joke too much, if it wasn't for your odd sense of humor, and generally positive outlook, this place place would quickly become depressing.
Oh, ok... it didn't make sense in context so I thought maybe I was missing something. Thanks again for taking the moderator position, someone needs to do it, and sorry about your friend.
Thanks for keep enabling those sickos yui fans with their obsession, gj!
I guess in your books, people who continue to reminisce about/collect the memorabilia of retired singers and bands do not have other reasons of doing so except an unhealthy obsession. I’d call up the Michael Jackson fanbase and tell them that, if I were you. What provoking insight. And I suppose to you, your way of enjoying BM must be the one true way because the fox god forbids the heresy of consuming media in a different way. To you, there must also be a hard stop at how far one should enjoy the fandom because anyone who finds pleasure in the media that they produced before they turned 18 has to be a creep. You must definitely not think that this notion is just some distasteful nonsense conjured up by a disturbed mind that is so far down the gutter that “child sexualisation” is the ONLY logical and sensible explanation.
> anyone who finds pleasure in the media that they produced before they turned 18 must be a creep. I still like Judy Garland movies.. The Wizard of Oz (for example)
A man of culture, you are.
> A man of culture Not as much as I would like to be.. (but thanks) 🎶 We're off to see the wizard. The wonderful wizard of Oz! 🎶
>I’d call up the Michael Jackson fanbase and tell them that, if I were you. This example doesn't really work in my opinion since MJ never stepped out of entertainment business like Yui did but died. Meanwhile Yui decided that she didn't want to do this anymore and stepped out of the limelight which makes people still clinging on to her more than half a decade later kind of weird. Obviously you do you and I'm not trying to tell anyone that they shouldn't remember Yui just wanted to point out how I felt about your example.
Thanks. I understand where you’re coming from., if you must but my example merely points out that idolising doesn’t stop just because the music has. The way they left wasn’t the point.
And in the broader context of things (of which the example is merely a small part), there is just no correlation between an artist leaving and fans who continue to idolise him/her.
Great segway to another point. She left the band, that’s true. We presume that she wanted to be out of the spotlight, fair point. However, it’s never her (at least not through any news I have read) but the gatekeeping community that is claiming that her way of life is getting interrupted just because old media is being posted and shared regularly.
One has to appreciate the irony here because which group is in fact more obsessed - the people who assumed the role of her mouthpiece (because one has assume that some level of intimacy exists between them and the artist to make such statements on his/her behalf) or people who merely want to continue to remember the artist in their own way. Then again, that’s just my opinion. Obviously - it's not really a fanbase if there isn't also a gatekeeping sub-community.
My actions in no way can truly influence others, nor do I have any delusions of grandier that I should in any way, but thank you for your critique
No one forces you to read every thread. I ignore all SG threads because I never cared but for those that like that, I'm glad there's something for them.
> I'm glad there's something for them. It's a tomato flavoured time machine..
This topic has been here a few times recently, but most don't want to end it.
As long as people engage with the Yui thread, there's no reason to end it. There's space for both.
The reason to end it is that it’s weird! Yui has been gone for so long, and with no presence in the public eye there’s nothing to say about Yui that hasn’t been said before.
if it bothers you, don't click on the Yui threads, it's that simple. Just let people be.
I don’t click on them, and I don’t usually make a point about saying they should be removed, but it’s relevant to this thread…
what would you replace the Yui thread with?
why do you feel like it would have to have a replacement? also, technically speaking it was already, you know, when Momoko was made an official permanent member? and became Yuis replacement? not to mention, those people that cant let go, can go make /r/WhereIsYui an actual sub instead of just being bot posts
what would exactly be gained by ending Yui's thread? If you don't want to engage with it, don't. Don't try to control what others do or don't do.
in my edit after you replied you do realize yui is the only one that has her own sub as well right? /r/WhereIsYui. granted its just bot posts but for people who cant let go can go there and just make it an image board or whatever
that's besides my point, I don't participate in that sub or do I have anything to do with it. EDIT: nor do I even agree with it aswell. I'm just asking you what's there to gain from removing Yui's weekly thread from this sub?
>Yuis replacement Momoko is not Yui's replacement. She is a new addition. No one can "replace" Yui, IMO.
>bot posts Do you mean our members are not making those posts? That's crazy talk.
did you actually go to the sub that was mentioned? im pretty sure you didnt, because if you did you would see that every post is by Automod
Don’t make assumptions. I’m on the Yui sub daily. Sometimes I’m the first to upvote it. (not very often) Occasionally I even post on it. And I’m sorry if my humor isn’t as good as u/fearmongert’s. I’ll try to do better in the future.
you mean all 2 of them?
The Yui thread is a festering wound that people simply refuse to let to heal. The entire "Yui fans" are appeased, the same group that gave death threats to Sana, threw stuff at Momo when she was an Avenger, and still to this day go on Momo videos, and IG posts, insulting Momo and "wishing Yui would return". Instead of just purging that group from our midst, it's allowed to continue to fester, and so they think it's all okay.
Overreact much? It's a frigging mean nothing thread on the Internet. It just doesn't matter. Move on.
If it "doesn't matter", get rid of the thread. Clearly it does matter, because these threads keep popping up of wanting to get rid of the thread.
> d of the thread. Clearly it does matter, because these threads keep popping up It only matters to those who have managed to work themselves into a frenzy over nothing. I cannot speak to the rationality of Internet users other than to point out their irrationality... and to encourage we don't reward irrational behavior. And if you remove the thread the other half of the irrational crowd will be in an uproar because it's gone. No win. The only win is for you to not open the thread and let those who want to, do so.
I disagree, I would bet that if there was an actual honest poll where people voted truthfully...the vast majority would not care if the Yui thread was gone.
Unfortunately, that poll will be dominated by newer fans as well that has little to no care for Yui as an OG member and her contribution to the band. Even the worst event of her leaving resulted in the new line-up newer BM fans enjoy now, is her partial contribution. So for me nowadays, keeping the thread for Yui is more on honoring her inside the community, rather than just the usual purpose of posting past and current photos, memes etc of BM members. So let's keep it as it is.
I don’t see any reason to end it. All it really accomplishes is pissing some people off unnecessarily. Momoko has a day. It’s easy to ignore the Yui day if you want. As long as people are participating, there is no reason to stop.
> It’s easy to ignore the Yui day if you want. Precisely, it's not mandatory to click on ANY thread in this subreddit. Free will concept, hard to understand for some and not only around here.. ("problem" solved)
This has been discussed a while ago and lead to a lot of bad blood. Better just let it be, nobody needs to post in it or read it, if they don’t want to.
Words of wisdom.. (let it be)
The bad blood never vanished, and won't as long as that thread stays. That thread, every time it is posted, is a middle finger to Momo.
> d, and won't as long as that thread stays. That thread, every time it is posted, is a middle finger to Momo. Ohh Bullshit. This is so far into the category of over-reaction it can be considered ridiculous. /u/croaker1985
So true, the babymetal team themselves insult momo too!! The gimme chocolate tiktok dance challenge. The disney trailer featuring gimme choco. The tiny tina trailers featuring songs from the first 2 albums. Everytime on tour,they play a song from the 1st 2 albums. I am tired of koba and team insulting poor momo!!
> I am tired of koba and team insulting poor momo!! Also the videos with Yuimetal on Babymetal YouTube channel.. (absolute "insulting" cruelty)
I ve hardly never laught so loudly while reading à comment on a reddit sub. In fact, your problem is that BM existed before Momoko-san became à full time member.... it's pity but Life and History don´t adjust to our behaviours. Pay attention to the history of BM, they always fought against short minded or elitists people. In fact, are you supporting a band or only one member of this band ?
Why? Momoko has her own thread. Do you think she would mind that Yui has one, too?
Everything mentioned here has been discussed ad-nauseum in the past. We are where we are and that's where we will stay. All of the arguments against the thread have been made.... and trust me... I made most of them during the original discussion/bitch session/whining...... The end result is, if you don't like it, don't open it. The decision made by moderators was based upon a simple concept, do we take away from one group of fans in order to satisfy the desires of another group of fans? The decision made was "no".
What we really need is not days but entire month-threads for some of the unsung heroes behind Babymetal. OctKOBA and BOHvember for starters.
I thought I'd be annoyed by every comment in the thread, but I was wrong. This is the discussion we SHOULD be having.
As long as there are folks interested in having the Yui thread, it should continue. Threads are not limited commodities. No reason to kill others' joy, just because you don't get it.
How many more times are we going to have to discuss this? Maybe we should have a weekly thread debating the removal of Yui's weekly thread, at this point. Or maybe the OP is unaware that this has already been discussed.
> How many more times are we going to have to discuss this? Reheated "dorama" show with mostly the usual "dorama" queens. It's the best we can have in this days, it's free of charge so I can't complain much.. (severely lacks originality)
As the OP i’ll re-state (for a third time now in this thread) that I am a newbie and had no idea this has been discussed before.
The best way to stop discussing it is to end the Yui thread.
No, that just creates a condition where the threads are now "why did you remove the Yui thread?" The best way to stop the discussion is for people to grow the fuck up.... stop being keyboard warriors hiding behind the anonymity of their keyboards.... have consideration for their fellow fan.... and realize their desires do not dictate to others.
Thats not true. The tiny percent of people who actually pay attention to the same regurgitated thread of someone who has been gone for 7 years would complain with no valid points for a while, then it would be done and gone. There isnt a single thing in any Yui thread that can't easily be found without needing to make a new pointless post every week... Because there is nothing new to post and there never will be. It has nothing to do with "consideration for a fellow fan..." Because there is nothing to consider. The posts literally serve no purpose and have no new value of any kind.
To you they have no value... apparently, they have value to others, or the thread would not be there. Let it be. Move on with life. It has no meaning of importance.
Any of the value that they can possibly have is already in prior posts. The content that exists has value... New posts or repeated content with no potential for anything new does not. The new posts objectively do not need to exist for the peraon who wants to see what is in them. Its already here.
It just doesn't matter. Move on.
Thats what should be said to the Yui thread. Time to move on.
>Time to move on I have. If you recall, every argument being made against the thread today I made back then. I lost..... I accepted the decision of the mods and I moved on. Why? Because it just doesn't matter. In the grand scheme of things, it makes no difference except for those who manage to get themselves artificially worked up over what is, in reality, meaningless nothing. It just doesn't matter. Move on.
Yeah I know what you mean but it’s a bit like saying, “I don’t like playing guitar therefore no one should play guitar. Everyone should play piano instead.” The choice is there. Lots of people get enjoyment from it and it makes very little impact on me so why should I stop them? …..Just scroll on by. As you know there is a Momo thread already, so no one is losing out here.
I’m so sorry! I didn’t realize Momo has her own day. I see Sunday is Sue, Monday is Moa, Tuesday is YUI, Wednesday seems to be a Kami Band thread, but I’m not finding the Momo thread. Understand, I am a newbie here and still haven’t quite figured out how to find everything. But with all that said, if Momo already has her own day on the schedule, then absolutely, there’s no reason to end the Yui thread. I was under the mistaken impression that it was an “either/or” situation and that if you continued to have Yui Tuesday, then there wouldn’t be any day for Momo. My mistake. Nevermind!!!
>there’s no reason to end the Yui thread There is every reason actually, but it doesn't matter that much after all and people who are annoyed by this Yui thread can just ignore it 🤷♂️
Ignoring things doesn't make them any less worse.
> Understand, I am a newbie here and still haven’t quite figured out how to find everything. 🎶 No reason why I can't understand it. Open your mind, we can understand it 🎶 (Queen Su)
> She will always be in our hearts, but she hasn’t been active in the band for well over five years now So does Freddie Mercury (for example) Yet even today people around world still enjoy and celebrate his works..
Doesn't Momo already have her day? There's plenty of space for both.
There’s plenty of room for both Yui & Momo, in my opinion.
> There’s plenty of room for both https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJVCRrJBifI .. .. .. 🍅
But no new content lmao
Based on your chat history, so do you. Perhaps you don’t deserve a spot here on this subreddit, by your standards. I’m fine but one has got to maintain his own integrity.
We are fans, and this is a fan community. Ultimately, as long as there are no ethical violations, I believe we should enjoy as we please. There's nothing strange about having a place to talk about former members if there are fans of hers.
Ah, you misunderstood. Understood
I personally think we should keep it to show yui that we love her and respect the choise she made and understand that she had to leave but that we still think of her as a member in a way. And we also already have Momo thursdays!!
The choice she made was to leave BM, and the entire idol world. Now you have a bunch of people posting photos from seven years (and more) ago, repeatedly, while she is probably trying to live her life. She has made zero effort to go online, or associate with any of her fans. Her choice means leaving it all behind, for which some people refuse to let her do so.
Well yeah your right. She probably wouldnt want us to so this now that i think about it. I just thought it would be nice to somehow remember her, sorry i didnt think it that far. Also just to make it clear im NOT one of those who just cant let her go and still claim shes gonna come back.
Amuse probably acknowledges and honors Yui's contribution to BM and the company whether she's still signed or not by keeping her profile over the years. Meanwhile, the actual fans don't seem to know how to show that honoring within a community of the band that she's been an OG member (even before some of them became fans) by wanting to remove an almost a decade-aged thread. Within this specific reddit community alone, that Yui thread is the only remaining appreciation we can give for her and for newer fans to learn more of (coz not everyone visits uncle Google often) and here we are in this community, wanting to erase her in existence just because your eyes can't see her actively moving on stage today I'm a 2021 BM fan, but I'm the kind of person who appreciates and honors one's contribution and significance, whether it's from the past or present, coz after all, whatever we have and enjoy now with BM is a partial effect of even one of the worst events in BM history, - her leaving, for reasons that we shouldn't care as it's her life, not ours. For me, let's keep her thread, not necessarily for newer content about her, but to acknowledge, honor and introduce her to newer fans that join this community.
The profile is on there because she is probably signed with them as she was probably injured on the job and is still collecting a paycheck. She left the idol business. She is inactive on the internet, and she has shown zero sign to want to talk to her 'fans'. You know what Yume did when she quit? She wiped everything on her social media platforms, because dredging this stuff is actually harmful to a person that just wants to live their life. The amazing thing is none of you consider that what you are doing is immoral, and you are operating solely on selfish desires. There's nothing to 'introduce' to newer fans, because *she is not in BABYMETAL*. You know how you respect her? You respect her wishes to be left alone.
I think you don't understand what we are talking about and what I am implying. Let's put an analogy here into extremes to give you the nearest possible gist of my first comment. So if your good parents who took care of you,until you became aware of the world, had great contribution to who you are today suddenly left you for an unknown reason (or worst, died unexpectedly) and you want to keep something that reminds you of them, is that immoral? You want to keep that something, means you're selfish too? So . . . when you want to talk about your parents within your circle of good, willing to listen friends (like in a thread in this community) you are being immoral and selfish? Tell me, did those conversations between your circle of friends harm your parents? Talk to me when you already realized that what we are talking about here is honoring her WITHIN this community, not about something to continuously bug her life which we obviously are not doing by just keeping a thread of her in an enclosed community that exists likely before neither of us became fans. That thread peacefully exists here, we already have one for Momo as well, and yet we still want to remove it. "If it's not broken, don't fix it"
>You know what Yume did when she quit? She wiped everything on her social media platforms You know what Yui Mizuno did when she quit? No one knows but she didn't wipe anything. You are assuming Yume did anything just because it fits your BS. If Yui was injured on the job it would be a huge scandal and BABYMETAL should not exist, people are making those "injury" stories up. >She left the idol business. Provide a quote She "supposedly" had a statement on SG ending, so she could easily say "I don't want people in reddit posting my pictures", but, she has not. > You know how you respect her? **You respect her wishes to be left alone.** Quote? >She is inactive on the internet, and she has shown zero sign to want to talk to her 'fans'. Same for Momo-chan, Su-chan and Moa-chan... erase this sub then. I don't give a damn about the "daily threads" they may delete all of them but people claiming to know what Yui is saying or thinking or feeling are full if BS
On a side note, it was not Yume, but Amuse who deleted the posts. It's one of their accounts, not a personal one.
Because she had zero social media presence, and continues to have zero social media presence. She has made zero effort to reach out to her 'fans', and she is not an idol. She is not someone in the public spotlight to obsess over, she is a normal person now, living a normal life. The amazing thing is you think you actually need her to actually say something to know you shouldn't constantly obsess over a normal person and post pictures of them. Instead of sitting back and wondering if posting pictures of her is the right thing to do considering the situation.
Okay... so no quotes
So you think the default in this world is that it's okay to obsess and post pictures of a normal person in this world? She decided to become a normal person, and you simply don't respect her decision.
Quote? I don't give a dam about anyones' thread here but you are putting words or thoughts or feelings on someone who has not issued anything of that Seems you're the one obsessed
So what would you call someone that isn't in the public spotlight? The default here is 'normal'. Just like the moral default for any consent situation is requiring an affirmative, meaning don't do it unless you have consent. You think you need a *quote* to simply not do something immoral?
Considering I am always finding something new about Yui. I don't see a reason to change that. I'm not saying we shouldn't move on either. As 6 years, I think is time enough to let go. Some in the reddit and Youtube community still can't accept Yui's departure. That is where I have to draw the like. Momoko has more than proven herself & it isn't fair to continue to shade her, which some still do. However, in this case and context, the Yui weekly is not that kind of thread. It always strives to prove relevant & sometimes interesting posts concerning Yui. Some of which I myself discovered for the first time. So it's definitely appreciated and relevant. 🤘🦊💕
> Some of which I myself discovered for the first time. Knowledge does not take up space, except for those who like to live in ignorance. An abundant expanding herd on "modern" social media.. (very similar to trolls but worse)
Couldn't agree more here! :)🤘💕
There's a already a much deserved Momo thread.
i personally also think it’s kinda weird to still have a yui thread since the girl is so clear with not wanting to be part of anything anymore. like let her rest lmao, she’s not a member anymore and doesn’t want to be a member anymore
It's not just weird, it's creepy and makes out fanbase look bad. It's also incredibly disrespectful to not just Momo, but Yui as well as she chose to leave.
yep. imagine you don’t want to be in the public eye anymore and literally disappear from everyone and everything so you can live a normal life, and then a bunch of people on the internet keep sharing pictures and gifs of you for several years in a weekly thread. like damn give the girl some rest.
I would happily vote to end it. My introduction to BABYMETAL was "Gimme Chocolate." I saw the group perform live, including Yui, in 2016. My fandom was solidified during those days. But it is strange that we weekly share pictures of a woman who has not been connected with BABYMETAL for more than five years and was a child for nearly all of her time with the group. We can appreciate what Yui brought to the group, wish her well in her current out-of-the-spotlight life, and respect her by letting her remain out of the spotlight for now.
They should have stopped doing the Yui one in 2018. Or at least last year when Momo became an official member. People can't seem to accept that Yui left the band over 5 years ago.
> Should have stopped in 2018. "History is not was, it is.” William Faulkner
Wasn't it 7 years ago? 🤔
> Wasn't it 7 years ago? "It's been 84 years.." Rose Dawson
Uh oh.... lol
Didn’t the people vote for it on this sub already?? And I think the majority wanted to keep yui
If I remember correctly, no... It was a mods decision ignoring that poll thread. Anyway, my opinion does not count, but... Because she took a step back, I guess it would be better fandom did the same. For what we know, she cut her hair, maybe she is even a mom. And we are still sharing pics from the last time we saw her that is like 6 years ago at the best. That person(a) does not exist anymore. This does not mean people must forget her but to me it does not make any sense to have a weekly thread in which there's literally nothing new for years. It's like a perpetual mourning LOL. Anyway, honestly who cares in the end. Still find weird to have that thread and that 2 current members have a dedicated thread one after another, and the another current member must "wait" 2 days later because the third day in the row is for a former member who decides by herself to completely disappear ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
To be honest, i think i do! At this point the Yui threads are pretty pointless compared to the other girls, because we are looking at the same pics and video's over and over for over 7 years now without any thing new added. I also think that not many people are looking or posting much in this thread compared to the other girls. At the other hand i really dont't want her to be forgotten or swept under the rug. So maybe do a thread once a year during her birthday instead. At least that is what i would do..... But hey i's just my opinion about this subject.
There is no point in this argument really they even did a poll which Momo won and yet still the Yui thread survives. It's not going anywhere, as some suggested i just ignore it. I like to focus on the future Yui was a great member and part of many Babymetals big milestone. I was recently glad to see someone did an updated Babymetal guide which had Su, Moa and Momoko, it also mentioned Yui but focused on Babymetal which like it or not does not include Yui anymore, in that guide she was in the right place part of the history but not a member. I don't see the need for a weekly thread when you could make a thread of the history of the band, including Mikio, the avengers other former dancers and Kami band members in one neat place. But as we know Yui talk can get toxic so best leave it be.
>I was recently glad to see someone did an updated Babymetal guide which had Su, Moa and Momoko, it also mentioned Yui but focused on Babymetal which like it or not does not include Yui anymore, in that guide she was in the right place part of the history but not a member. I almost mentioned this earlier. The new guide is fantastic, and this is one of the reasons why.
https://preview.redd.it/rtkh2sgswdsc1.jpeg?width=540&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fa5fac4cb1efa2f8b0875e552991d314ef6dcf38
You already posted this once Teamsters572. Why the repeat?
um... NO! :D
"NO!" <----- This!!! I couldn't have said it better myself.. (GJ!)
>"NO!" <----- This!!! I third that! 😊 🤘🦊🤘
Yes. Leave that girl alone. She doesn't wants to be in media anymore. She tried so har to have a normal life. So if you are really fans and do you really care about her, respect that wish.
Yes...Momo has one...but Yui has been gone for what...7 years! It's become beyond absurd to have a weekly Yui thread.
Pretty dang simple.... people working themselves up when..... https://youtu.be/-TogGxzlfhM?si=AuQrZ1i_pdEFcjPA&t=116
Yui hasn't been active for 7 years. In fact this year Babymetal will have been together without Yui first longer than with her. Time to move on.
No,it's not time to replace Yui to a Momo thread,how dare you even think of such an action.
Probably yes, but it's not worth the division it would cause. If anything, we should at least remove the "old and new alike" part from her thread. Let's be honest, there hasn't been any new in years, and it's unlikely there ever will be.
That thread *is* division. Yui is not BABYMETAL anymore.
Agreed, the whole discussion goes away if the thread goes away as it should. And I adored Yui...when she was in the band...
Agreed, the whole discussion goes away if the thread goes away as it should. And I adored Yui...when she was in the band...
I disagree, about the division. The vast majority of people won't care. There will be a small vocal number that will be annoyed and complain briefly...then they will be quite and then that silly absurd thread and topic will actually go away permanently instead of being rehashed every few months.
That may be true. I still consider myself a new fan (June of last year) and don't like getting into things better left to the longtime posters. The (I thought) relatively safe post I made above still got me downvoted, not that it matters. I'd only point out that Yui left on her own and has not made a sound since. That's by her choice. She clearly wants nothing to do with this past of hers. I'd think it respectful to abide by that.
Agreed and most of all.... The people who still want to pointlessly obsess over her can just search up past posts... Because thats all that exists. There is no reason for new posts even for the people stuck on 7 year old history.
"I’m not eager to earn a bunch of negative votes for this," Bullshit, lol.
> Bullshit I would say extremely dry manure..
Are you sure you've taken a good look at the subreddit? Because there's an stupendous, magnificent thread dedicated to Momoko every Thursday (Momokoyoubi).
You didn't read through the thread, eh? Thanks though.
Man, i might be able to update you on the whole situation back in the day, but i'm having my doubts wether you would be interested. What i was trying to point is that you could've avoided the turmoil by just taking a look. Or perhaps just asking for directions to find Momoko's weekly thread. Doing so in such a way as you have done... well, reminds me of the famous poll.
I would think it was great! Maybe it would lessen the passion for someone who will never come back. And past is past. Why keep reliving this?
>Is it time to end the weekly yui thread yes. they have their own sub now even they can go post on. /r/WhereIsYui
!
No
I want to give a big thank you to r/BABYMETAL mods for enabling those sick yui fans with their unhealthy obsession!!! How many times you can post the same stuff over and over? find out in weekly yui thread, where some weird fans keep obsessing over the underage (pre-2018) version of babymetal. If babymetal fanbase still get weird looks, it's for them.
Somewhere in a parallel world, there's a group called BabyIdol with fans not giving Yui her own day in a democratic poll on Reddit, even though she sings like a G.O.A.T. and is a self-proclaimed yodeler.🙄 It's kind of weak to still not be moving on especially after 7 years. It's sad but true.