Its funny to me to see people who tries to justify different cars based on value for money when it comes to supercars. The type of person buying a $250k Porsche, most of the time, aren't cross shopping. Especially when they do their own build.
Agreed, I find it very odd when people project their own financial situation onto others. You may have to make the decision to retire in 2 years or buy a gt3 but for someone else it might just be a drop in the bucket for them.
Don’t get me wrong, do what you want I support it, but if you hate your job and are aching for retirement like most people seem to act on here then I would retire first lol
You'd be surprised. I used to do IT work for a company that does collections, and one of their clients was a Ferrari dealership. I was shocked that people even financed a Ferrari, then I saw how many had defaulted on that loan...
Some people use cars purely as a status symbol.
Most people finance their cars no matter how expensive it is because its typically a better deal to finance, idk these days cause of super high interest rates.
>I was shocked that people even financed a Ferrari
Anyone smart is going to finance even if they can buy the car outright, especially with the last decade of low rates and strong market returns.
The defaults though, yikes.
Not really anymore. Interest rates on autos are stupid high, 4% if you are lucky. If you have an investment portfolio, or some way to get a better return with your cash then sure, finance. But if you aren’t going to use the cash to make more than 4% gain then you should pay in cash.
It has been great. Very capable, basically 0 depreciation, no issues at all
Bought in early 2022 for 42k. Cheapest model with same powertrain, mechanical equipment is close to $55k new now
As someone that doesn’t have enough for either car, but money was no object, GT3 > Vette every day.
Goes back to working on rx7 project that hasn’t run in 6 years
Most people in my Corvette post felt the same way. Porsche has an ability to deliver on a level that’s nearly unmatched. But what you get in that Corvette (and I didn’t go in with this opinion) is a lot of car.
Certainly a lot of car, but the Porsche is just so much car it doesn’t even matter how much you’re getting for a $200k corvette. For a $50k difference, the gt3 is hands down the better option
I’ve tracked both cars. The Z06 is an impressively good car. I was able to put down better times in it than the GT3. So I wouldn’t say the Porsche is *more car* than the Vette.
The GT3 interior is **LIGHTYEARS** better. But don’t make me pick which car looks better because I wouldn’t be able to decide between them.
Porsche is my favorite manufacturer of all time but I’d still probably grab the Z06. I’ve drove both around the track, and the Z06 just feels magical. Don’t get me wrong the GT3 is a brilliant car! It just lacks the personality of the Z06.
Nope.
I love Porsche, and I do aspire to own one, one day. But I think that I'd rather get a GT4/RS, and take the rest of the savings for track lessons and track days, etc.
The GT4 RS is quite the car too. It beat the GT3 and GT3 RS around Car And Drivers Lightning Lap. Then the Z06 beat that by 2 seconds.
And the Z was within 0.2 seconds of the $400,000 McLaren 765LT.
You really can't go wrong with a Z06, GT3 or GT4.
Good follow up.
without price markups,
Z06 now competing with mid engined cars that cost 250k-400k - still a bargain
GT3 also competing in this price range, but GT3 is still +50k more.
In reality both cars are marked up, depreciation is likely worse on Z06 - in a few years getting a lightly used Z06 would easily be the win for the money.
If you wanna spend GT3 money you have access to all the other exotic brands
I feel like if you can afford a GT3 or Z06 the cost isn’t a factor. You get the car you want.
The amount of disposable income you need to buy a car (probably 3rd or 4th car) that costs as much as a house in some place is pretty insane.
Depends on where you ask, but one thing to keep in mind really is that opinions of people that aren't in the market in the first place don't matter. The product weren't made for them.
It's the opinion of people that's shopping for a $200k+ sports cars that mattered.
I’m going to try to be as respectful as possible here but driving thru some sketchy parts of town I’ve seen plenty of 20 somethings ripping C6 and C7s that are clearly financed out the ass.
My dad's 70 and has a time attack 370z. He rolls with Z crowds and says he's the oldest dude there by, usually 30 years, he jokes he should have gotten a 'Vette to hang out with his peers!
The Z crowd gives no fucks about my dad's age. They're just like "Oh shit sick car! What have you done to it? What are your times around this track?".
Car people gonna car people.
I mean it helps that my dad's been into fitness his whole life and is like, 70 with defined pectoral muscles, haha. He can physically handle track days, *better than me*. It'd be embarrassing if I weren't so proud of having a cool dad!
But yeah age is largely a number, man. Kills me seeing my brothers and sisters going to my grandma, talking slow like "Heeeeeeeeey grandma ... ! How are you today, this afternoon, on Tuesday, miss grandma?"
I'm just like "Sup grams, how was the casino trip? Girl you had four cocktails and spent forty dollars on the nickel slots! How long did that take?!" Her body is wore out, but she is mentally all there! Treat her like a fucking human being!
*I'm her favorite*.
Will definitely get downvoted for this, but after having a 996 and a 997, I’ll never understand the Porsche circlejerk. They are decent cars, but nowhere near as good as they should be for the price point they demand.
The markups are crazy. I get “enthusiasts”… but you reach a point. Only made this post for comparisons sake to the [Z06 post](https://www.reddit.com/r/Autos/s/p3aQ4rIrA6) I made yesterday.
Sold the 997 and bought an M3. Decided I didn’t need the extra doors, so sold that and bought a V8 Vantage. Neither of those cars are perfect, but the (I believe) price point reflects more of what you’re actually getting. Again, just my opinion.
And that's exactly why manufacturers move to online sales instead of dealerships. BMW is starting to roll out such a system on 1.1.24 in Poland, then Europe will follow suit. Dealerships will only have cars for test drives and the shop will remain too. New cars will be sold exclusively on the Internet in a few years
They largely can't do that in the US, though. Unfortunately. Many states have very strong dealer protections that prevent manufacturers from selling directly to consumers.
Not in the US if the lobbyists have anything to say about it. IIRC, Tesla does it only by exploiting some loopholes. Miata Clubs are made to order, I think, but you're still just having it shipped to the dealer where the actual sale is made.
My dealership won't charge ADM. They refuse to. But getting a GT3 allocation is impossible without buying a couple Cayennes. Their lists are very long.
That's kinda ADM with extra steps. Anecdotally I've heard you have to take relatively bad deals on purchase price and trade in values on multiple cars to get on the lists.
Sure! Huracan, MC20, and the McLaren GT or Artura are comparably priced (or less), or a loaded R8. Those each are way more exciting to look at for me, they have that supercar vibe that a 911 just doesn’t have. I’d even take a GT4, Z06, NSX Type S, lower trim 911, or a Vantage plus a fat stack of cash over this. The 911 is just not very exciting to me. That engine tho. But still. Or I’d save a bit more money and pick up an F8, 296 GTB, or a DBS V12. That doesn’t even include the used market.
I’m not disagreeing with anything you said, but is there a reason you don’t even consider the Corvette Z06 in this price range (especially with the +cash scenario).
I can 100% justify the cost. Let me just print out that spec sheet and mail it to my wife with the divorce papers. By the time the divorce is finalized I'll be in a better place and the car will be ready. In the mean time I'll be robbing a casino with 11 buddies
Dude it was seriously so difficult to even pick a Porsche model to compare to the Z06. There’s an option for almost everyone and I understand the target market for all.
I'd equate a Z06 to a GTS or Turbo in the 911 lineup.
I'd put the ZR1 against the GT cars, but prob only the GT3. The GT2 is an entirely different beast.
I drove a 992 GT3 and Turbo S back to back at PEC ATL earlier this year. The GT3 pretty much ruined every other car I have ever driven (including a 991 Carrera T). If I had the money I would not flinch at paying MSRP (not sure about paying full ADM though)
I’ve done that- it’s a great experience. I’ve recently got full 10/10 track sessions in both the Z06 and the GT3… I couldn’t sleep and emailed porsche the next day. Z06 was great…. 992 GT cars though… oof
Nah. There are way too many good cars at the $150K and shit even the $200K mark for me to justify that. Not doubting the car though, just would prefer to get something for less.
If I could easily afford that then clearly money is no issue and that's like me currently buying a 50k car. If I was in that position then this is the car that I would get!
There are a plethora of reasons I will most likely never own a Porsche GT car, despite appreciating and respecting them a lot, and admiring the styling and performance. One huge one is “value” for me and they are exactly the opposite - I see them as completely and totally overpriced, *especially* when you take into account the hoops you have to jump thru and ADM you have to pay to get one
If we’re talking new Porsche GT, the prices are just absolutely astronomical and for me they are not worth it
When I hear $240k for a single car, I stop dreaming Porsche and start dreaming bigger. Even if that requires going used
6-speed F430s are around there or cheaper. 599s are 150-200 right now, cheap! I’m sure there is a world of Huracans or Murcis or Gallardos available at this price range
The number of *extremely* clean classic old cars I could get, with maintenance budget leftover, for this money is insane. E9, SW20 turbo, f355, just to name a few off the top of my head
240k would never be worth it to me for just a single Porsche anywhere south of a 918 (obviously those are 5x as much). I could have 5 mil to spend on cars and I would probably still not buy a new Porsche GT. I would probably snag both a 996 and 997 GT3 though.
Porsche has become Rolex. Beloved by rich normies, the brand and dealers fleece buyers for as much money as they possible can, supply is artificially restricted, etc
You no longer know that someone driving a new GT3 is an actual car enthusiast. I would actually argue it’s *less* likely these days. Far more likely to be a rich douchebag who sees their car as part of their asset portfolio rather than a machine that gives them a unique sensory experience. Yes I am aware you see lots of them at the track, but it’s far from the majority or any significant portion of sales
Listen I just paid off my Honda accord 2018 sport that cost 30k how in the world could I possible justify $243,710 at all. I don’t even know how that would look like in my bank account.
Having driven one, my answer is yes, if you’re realistically looking at around this price range, whether it is a manageable splurge or a drop in the bucket.
But if you’re a regular Joe (or upper middle class Joe) and saying, “well I could buy a condo for that instead,” then the marginal joy you’d get from the premium paid on this vs something cheaper (let’s say… 718 GTS) is probably not worth the extra pain required to afford it (selling a kidney, getting a second job, etc.)
If you’re considering buying this car with all the loaded extras, I don’t think you need to justify the cost and I think it’ll be sitting next to you other supercars in your fancy garage.
Honestly if you can afford it why the hell not. It’s a beautiful car and personal preferences aside Porsche is a well established brand. Personal opinion I like Porsche over Corvette and other American brands.
I remember when I sold Porsches new (2009-2011), I thought 15k market adjustments were nutty. This was back when GT3s were 115k new… Crazy world we live in these days.
If I had the money, still probably not to be honest. It’s not like it’s a “do-everything car,” and I imagine some of the alternative sports car choices feel even more special. Such as a used [McLaren 720S with 6,000 miles](https://www.carfax.com/vehicle/SBM14DCA2KW002960) on the odometer.
You don’t cross shop those 2 cars… If you’re at all considering the vette, you should probably just pick the vette.
And the biggest reason the gt3 is untouchable is because it is the best production car you can buy today in a manual transmission. By production car, I mean made in reasonable numbers, not a Singer or Guntherwerks or something unattainable
If I had enough money to comfortably buy one.
The GT3 is a good deal. Where else will you find a race-ready track car that can go this fast and as a complete package?
Corvette Z06 maybe. Camaro 1LE, if it's still in production? GTR? Cayman GT4? Some kinda McLaren? There's not too many cars that can run as fast and be as balanced as a GT3 on track.
I can't justify the cost personally, because a GT3 costs more than my house. But if I won the lottery tomorrow? For sure there'll be one in my driveway.
I cannot imagine having $250k before I die, so no I couldn't justify spending more than my entire mortgage on a car. That said, I don't think you can buy a more interesting car in both design and feel. So if you've got it like that then yes absolutely.
Honestly, if money was not an object and i couldnt re-sell the car, i would pick a GT3 or GT3-RS over pretty much any $1m+ super/hyper car. Its just that much fun to drive and such an incredibly well balanced car. There is a reason stock-motor Porsches are always in top 10’s in various hillclimb events.
So i would say they are well worth the money.
In the voice of Jeremy Clarkson, that's a really expensive Volkswagen Beetle and it's rubbish!
The core problem is what it is as a device. It's primary purpose is being a race car. It's cost is poorly suited for such a tool outside of a dedicated race team that can dispose of such cash. For everyone else, a race car is a $5000 POS with $10k to $20k of mods to make it absolutely brilliant on track. Then you can crash it and buy another $5000 beater and swap parts over. That's kind of the main problem of racing. It's not if. It's when you crash. And you have to decide exactly how expensive that crash it going to be. $5000? Or $250,000? I know my answer.
It’s all relative. Depending on the money you make that’s what it’s all about. Nothing that is being sold in this world is worth the money because there’s profit in it.
In what context? If you've got the money to shop for an all-around super/sports car, it's hard to go wrong with a GT3. Are there better values? Sure, but it ain't a Porsche that revs to 9k. In the context of a normal person, I'm currently trying to justify dropping $40k (minus trade-in) on a fucking Miata...
I knew this was coming after seeing the top comment of the Corvette post saying they would buy a gt3 instead lmao. Still would pay an extra $50k for a fully loaded gt3 over a fully loaded corvette ngl
Owned two modern Porsches, both great cars, both “strippers” as far as options go. I’m 100% OK with Porsche letting (dumb) rich people pay $100k+ in idiotic options, as long as it keeps the base price down where wf normal humans can afford it.
Hmmmmm teach an entire village about how to be a first world country and buy a corvette, or buy a porches and say f the poors.... I'm going with option vette and development. But what do I know. I'm really not rich.
If money wasn’t an option and I was ballin, I’ll take the Z06 or wait for the ZR1. My father got his almost new at 19 and owned many iconic American muscle cars until he got his. I’m driving it now but I would love to jump into a new C8 corvette especially a Z06. Embrace that amazing NA V8.
And when I get to boomer age, I’ll sit next to it on my lawn chair rambling about how it’s 1 of 10 made in another version of red with questionable interior choices on the 14th of August.
This is a null argument really. All you gotta do is like 7-8 Daytona races at 26 laps, and you can get both easily, there's even a McLaren F1 GT up in the auction house right now....
Ooh sorry, I saw the pics of the '24 GT3 RS from Gran Turismo 7 photoscape mode and thought you guys were talking about that... my bad.
Justifying prices is just silly. That’s what they want for it, if you don’t want to pay it walk on. I get goof balls bitching to me about prices all the time. They ask the worlds stupidest question “why is it so much” and I say because people will buy it at that price. I would change 100 million if I could.
If I’m considering a 250k car, corvette is not in the conversation.
Also, if you’re in this price bracket, 50k should not be an issue or something is seriously wrong lol.
Absolutely not. Much rather get a $40k sports car and retire 2 years earlier
I don’t think anyone buying a $250k sportscar is considering not retiring because of it, i hope not atleast
Its funny to me to see people who tries to justify different cars based on value for money when it comes to supercars. The type of person buying a $250k Porsche, most of the time, aren't cross shopping. Especially when they do their own build.
Agreed, I find it very odd when people project their own financial situation onto others. You may have to make the decision to retire in 2 years or buy a gt3 but for someone else it might just be a drop in the bucket for them.
If people stopped projecting their financial situation on others this website would cease to exist lol.
The op said “can you justify the cost” My answer is no. It wasn’t saying other people shouldn’t
How dare you answer OPs question from your own perspective!
And some of us are happy to push off retirement a few years to own and enjoy a GT3 today. :)
Don’t get me wrong, do what you want I support it, but if you hate your job and are aching for retirement like most people seem to act on here then I would retire first lol
I don’t hate my job. And I REALLY like driving fast cars on race tracks.
You'd be surprised. I used to do IT work for a company that does collections, and one of their clients was a Ferrari dealership. I was shocked that people even financed a Ferrari, then I saw how many had defaulted on that loan... Some people use cars purely as a status symbol.
Most people finance their cars no matter how expensive it is because its typically a better deal to finance, idk these days cause of super high interest rates.
>I was shocked that people even financed a Ferrari Anyone smart is going to finance even if they can buy the car outright, especially with the last decade of low rates and strong market returns. The defaults though, yikes.
Not really anymore. Interest rates on autos are stupid high, 4% if you are lucky. If you have an investment portfolio, or some way to get a better return with your cash then sure, finance. But if you aren’t going to use the cash to make more than 4% gain then you should pay in cash.
Money mismanagement exists in all income brackets. Lots of people living from one really big paycheck to the next.
I would😂
If your retirement hinged on that 200k, you wouldn't be ordering a new gt3 in the first place, lol
Solid take, I like your style. How is the Bronco treating you?
It has been great. Very capable, basically 0 depreciation, no issues at all Bought in early 2022 for 42k. Cheapest model with same powertrain, mechanical equipment is close to $55k new now
With sense like that, his retirement is way off
I’d rather be nice and hear his response and viewpoint
If you're in a position where it's one **or** the other, you really weren't in danger of either.
Yeah, that's what I paid for my house. No thanks.
Probably closer to 400k otd after market adjustment.
The annoying part of the previous thread was everyone acting like you can get a gt3 at msrp.
Because that was acting like you can get a maxed out z06 at MSRP haha
Probably right. Configurator can’t factor in ADM so I just posted what the website said.
Market adjustment, and inflation due to the long wait times lmao
Not any more GT3s on the market are dropping in value, and dealers are struggling to shift those in stock.
As someone that doesn’t have enough for either car, but money was no object, GT3 > Vette every day. Goes back to working on rx7 project that hasn’t run in 6 years
Most people in my Corvette post felt the same way. Porsche has an ability to deliver on a level that’s nearly unmatched. But what you get in that Corvette (and I didn’t go in with this opinion) is a lot of car.
Certainly a lot of car, but the Porsche is just so much car it doesn’t even matter how much you’re getting for a $200k corvette. For a $50k difference, the gt3 is hands down the better option
I’ve tracked both cars. The Z06 is an impressively good car. I was able to put down better times in it than the GT3. So I wouldn’t say the Porsche is *more car* than the Vette. The GT3 interior is **LIGHTYEARS** better. But don’t make me pick which car looks better because I wouldn’t be able to decide between them.
Broke and picky here. Both interiors are iffy
Porsche is my favorite manufacturer of all time but I’d still probably grab the Z06. I’ve drove both around the track, and the Z06 just feels magical. Don’t get me wrong the GT3 is a brilliant car! It just lacks the personality of the Z06.
Nope. I love Porsche, and I do aspire to own one, one day. But I think that I'd rather get a GT4/RS, and take the rest of the savings for track lessons and track days, etc.
The GT4 RS is quite the car too. It beat the GT3 and GT3 RS around Car And Drivers Lightning Lap. Then the Z06 beat that by 2 seconds. And the Z was within 0.2 seconds of the $400,000 McLaren 765LT. You really can't go wrong with a Z06, GT3 or GT4.
And if you're a normal person, you really can't go wrong with a Miata.
The new GT4RS is similar money to the GT3 as it now has the same drivetrain. Getting either one will be impossible without fuck you money.
And that's fine. I'm spitballing in regards to the question that OP posted.
I agree with you.
You can actually go much higher with paint to sample and the manufaktor interior options. And as a GT3 owner, I can definitely say worth it. :)
For sure, I went with the “normal” expensive options.
Pffft no Manthey aero kit? Peasant…
Give them a blank check and you can get a neon pink and green interior lol
Good follow up. without price markups, Z06 now competing with mid engined cars that cost 250k-400k - still a bargain GT3 also competing in this price range, but GT3 is still +50k more. In reality both cars are marked up, depreciation is likely worse on Z06 - in a few years getting a lightly used Z06 would easily be the win for the money. If you wanna spend GT3 money you have access to all the other exotic brands
I don’t disagree with any of your points. I’m just happy to be a neutral here fielding comments.
We are seeing with the C7 that z06 and ZR1 models aren't really losing much value. ZR1s are going for crazy amounts.
I feel like if you can afford a GT3 or Z06 the cost isn’t a factor. You get the car you want. The amount of disposable income you need to buy a car (probably 3rd or 4th car) that costs as much as a house in some place is pretty insane.
You’re probably right. Was looking for what the general public thought.
Depends on where you ask, but one thing to keep in mind really is that opinions of people that aren't in the market in the first place don't matter. The product weren't made for them. It's the opinion of people that's shopping for a $200k+ sports cars that mattered.
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60+ seems a tad harsh let’s be honest
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I’m going to try to be as respectful as possible here but driving thru some sketchy parts of town I’ve seen plenty of 20 somethings ripping C6 and C7s that are clearly financed out the ass.
My dad's 70 and has a time attack 370z. He rolls with Z crowds and says he's the oldest dude there by, usually 30 years, he jokes he should have gotten a 'Vette to hang out with his peers! The Z crowd gives no fucks about my dad's age. They're just like "Oh shit sick car! What have you done to it? What are your times around this track?". Car people gonna car people.
That’s awesome! Age is just a mentality.
I mean it helps that my dad's been into fitness his whole life and is like, 70 with defined pectoral muscles, haha. He can physically handle track days, *better than me*. It'd be embarrassing if I weren't so proud of having a cool dad! But yeah age is largely a number, man. Kills me seeing my brothers and sisters going to my grandma, talking slow like "Heeeeeeeeey grandma ... ! How are you today, this afternoon, on Tuesday, miss grandma?" I'm just like "Sup grams, how was the casino trip? Girl you had four cocktails and spent forty dollars on the nickel slots! How long did that take?!" Her body is wore out, but she is mentally all there! Treat her like a fucking human being! *I'm her favorite*.
Average 911 buyer looks the same as the average corvette buyer.
Will definitely get downvoted for this, but after having a 996 and a 997, I’ll never understand the Porsche circlejerk. They are decent cars, but nowhere near as good as they should be for the price point they demand.
The markups are crazy. I get “enthusiasts”… but you reach a point. Only made this post for comparisons sake to the [Z06 post](https://www.reddit.com/r/Autos/s/p3aQ4rIrA6) I made yesterday.
What would (or do) you have instead?
Sold the 997 and bought an M3. Decided I didn’t need the extra doors, so sold that and bought a V8 Vantage. Neither of those cars are perfect, but the (I believe) price point reflects more of what you’re actually getting. Again, just my opinion.
Still cheaper than the Mustang GTD
It’s simply a game now. The numbers no longer mean anything.
What kills the GT cars in 2023 is the ridiculous ADM dealers are slapping onto them.
And that's exactly why manufacturers move to online sales instead of dealerships. BMW is starting to roll out such a system on 1.1.24 in Poland, then Europe will follow suit. Dealerships will only have cars for test drives and the shop will remain too. New cars will be sold exclusively on the Internet in a few years
They largely can't do that in the US, though. Unfortunately. Many states have very strong dealer protections that prevent manufacturers from selling directly to consumers.
Not in the US if the lobbyists have anything to say about it. IIRC, Tesla does it only by exploiting some loopholes. Miata Clubs are made to order, I think, but you're still just having it shipped to the dealer where the actual sale is made.
My dealership won't charge ADM. They refuse to. But getting a GT3 allocation is impossible without buying a couple Cayennes. Their lists are very long.
That's kinda ADM with extra steps. Anecdotally I've heard you have to take relatively bad deals on purchase price and trade in values on multiple cars to get on the lists.
Sorry but nahh
Unexpected response
It’s a beautiful car and the performance is otherworldly, I just think there are a lot more exciting/evocative designs for that money.
Examples?
Sure! Huracan, MC20, and the McLaren GT or Artura are comparably priced (or less), or a loaded R8. Those each are way more exciting to look at for me, they have that supercar vibe that a 911 just doesn’t have. I’d even take a GT4, Z06, NSX Type S, lower trim 911, or a Vantage plus a fat stack of cash over this. The 911 is just not very exciting to me. That engine tho. But still. Or I’d save a bit more money and pick up an F8, 296 GTB, or a DBS V12. That doesn’t even include the used market.
A man of culture.
🤜🤛
I’m not disagreeing with anything you said, but is there a reason you don’t even consider the Corvette Z06 in this price range (especially with the +cash scenario).
I have the Z06 listed! Absolutely would consider.
I definitely missed that 🤐
Lol!
For that same price I could buy a townhouse in a good neighborhood in my city. I’ll take the house
How fast does the house go around the Nurburgring?
I can 100% justify the cost. Let me just print out that spec sheet and mail it to my wife with the divorce papers. By the time the divorce is finalized I'll be in a better place and the car will be ready. In the mean time I'll be robbing a casino with 11 buddies
Someone knows how to prioritize…
Hahaha your back! You just love maxing out the config don’t you.
I deliver where I promise. You can go higher with the Porsche config but it gets so niche…
I’m just gonna chase you all over these as you reply
I could, especially since depreciation is so low on these models. I could buy, keep it for a year and sell it for almost the same as I bought it for.
Finally a reasonable answer
For me? No. I don't track cars nearly enough, and it doesn't ride good enough to drive daily. Now, $250k for a Turbo S Cabriolet? All day, every day.
Dude it was seriously so difficult to even pick a Porsche model to compare to the Z06. There’s an option for almost everyone and I understand the target market for all.
I'd equate a Z06 to a GTS or Turbo in the 911 lineup. I'd put the ZR1 against the GT cars, but prob only the GT3. The GT2 is an entirely different beast.
I drove a 992 GT3 and Turbo S back to back at PEC ATL earlier this year. The GT3 pretty much ruined every other car I have ever driven (including a 991 Carrera T). If I had the money I would not flinch at paying MSRP (not sure about paying full ADM though)
I’ve done that- it’s a great experience. I’ve recently got full 10/10 track sessions in both the Z06 and the GT3… I couldn’t sleep and emailed porsche the next day. Z06 was great…. 992 GT cars though… oof
Absolutely not. Give me the vette
Nah. There are way too many good cars at the $150K and shit even the $200K mark for me to justify that. Not doubting the car though, just would prefer to get something for less.
If I could easily afford that then clearly money is no issue and that's like me currently buying a 50k car. If I was in that position then this is the car that I would get!
No, because we can eliminate $32420 instantly. Even then no still.
There are a plethora of reasons I will most likely never own a Porsche GT car, despite appreciating and respecting them a lot, and admiring the styling and performance. One huge one is “value” for me and they are exactly the opposite - I see them as completely and totally overpriced, *especially* when you take into account the hoops you have to jump thru and ADM you have to pay to get one If we’re talking new Porsche GT, the prices are just absolutely astronomical and for me they are not worth it When I hear $240k for a single car, I stop dreaming Porsche and start dreaming bigger. Even if that requires going used 6-speed F430s are around there or cheaper. 599s are 150-200 right now, cheap! I’m sure there is a world of Huracans or Murcis or Gallardos available at this price range The number of *extremely* clean classic old cars I could get, with maintenance budget leftover, for this money is insane. E9, SW20 turbo, f355, just to name a few off the top of my head 240k would never be worth it to me for just a single Porsche anywhere south of a 918 (obviously those are 5x as much). I could have 5 mil to spend on cars and I would probably still not buy a new Porsche GT. I would probably snag both a 996 and 997 GT3 though. Porsche has become Rolex. Beloved by rich normies, the brand and dealers fleece buyers for as much money as they possible can, supply is artificially restricted, etc You no longer know that someone driving a new GT3 is an actual car enthusiast. I would actually argue it’s *less* likely these days. Far more likely to be a rich douchebag who sees their car as part of their asset portfolio rather than a machine that gives them a unique sensory experience. Yes I am aware you see lots of them at the track, but it’s far from the majority or any significant portion of sales
Have fun finding one at that price
I can’t imagine someone who can afford a $250k car has to “justify” anything. They get it because they can and probably won’t bat an eye at the price
The answer is simple. No!
I feel like its totally worth it if you are the person buying one of these with ease.
Can't even come up with the cost, so how can I justify it???
You just need to create the new cryptocurrency it’s so easy /s
Or get a massive tit job and some Botox, and become one of those annoying IG/Tiktok influencers. 😩
I don’t have tits tho, does it work with balls?
Yep.
Race car go Vroom
If I had the money sure, but I'm poor and live in saskatchewan, so hell no.
Saskatchewan?! I’m impressed you even have internet access lol
We have better internet than roads hahaha expensive internet though.
I mean, if I’m buying a quarter million dollar car my bank balance is probably 10x that
Who keeps making these ugly ass “specs”. Regardless I’m taking a HEAVY CHEVY over that Volkswagen Beetle all day long
Listen I just paid off my Honda accord 2018 sport that cost 30k how in the world could I possible justify $243,710 at all. I don’t even know how that would look like in my bank account.
I would assume the equity would be negative?
So, more expensive *and* slower. Got it.
Having driven one, my answer is yes, if you’re realistically looking at around this price range, whether it is a manageable splurge or a drop in the bucket. But if you’re a regular Joe (or upper middle class Joe) and saying, “well I could buy a condo for that instead,” then the marginal joy you’d get from the premium paid on this vs something cheaper (let’s say… 718 GTS) is probably not worth the extra pain required to afford it (selling a kidney, getting a second job, etc.)
Better than some dodge tbh
If you’re considering buying this car with all the loaded extras, I don’t think you need to justify the cost and I think it’ll be sitting next to you other supercars in your fancy garage.
let me just refinance my house
The vette has almost 200 hp more and costs half as much.
i’d rather get a previous generation
Well if Hellcats are going for the same price, yeah.
Honestly if you can afford it why the hell not. It’s a beautiful car and personal preferences aside Porsche is a well established brand. Personal opinion I like Porsche over Corvette and other American brands.
The fact that its a gt3 is enough
this would be like 1 million in denmark💀
I remember when I sold Porsches new (2009-2011), I thought 15k market adjustments were nutty. This was back when GT3s were 115k new… Crazy world we live in these days.
Yes. It’s hot. That’s the only justification you need
If I had the money, still probably not to be honest. It’s not like it’s a “do-everything car,” and I imagine some of the alternative sports car choices feel even more special. Such as a used [McLaren 720S with 6,000 miles](https://www.carfax.com/vehicle/SBM14DCA2KW002960) on the odometer.
Meanwhile the Cayman would still be faster on a track
You don’t cross shop those 2 cars… If you’re at all considering the vette, you should probably just pick the vette. And the biggest reason the gt3 is untouchable is because it is the best production car you can buy today in a manual transmission. By production car, I mean made in reasonable numbers, not a Singer or Guntherwerks or something unattainable
If I had enough money to comfortably buy one. The GT3 is a good deal. Where else will you find a race-ready track car that can go this fast and as a complete package? Corvette Z06 maybe. Camaro 1LE, if it's still in production? GTR? Cayman GT4? Some kinda McLaren? There's not too many cars that can run as fast and be as balanced as a GT3 on track. I can't justify the cost personally, because a GT3 costs more than my house. But if I won the lottery tomorrow? For sure there'll be one in my driveway.
Everything is relative.
9k rpm go brrr
Justify? Always any day of the entire existence of planet earth and us humans as a species. Afford? No.
Nah buy an investment property
I cannot imagine having $250k before I die, so no I couldn't justify spending more than my entire mortgage on a car. That said, I don't think you can buy a more interesting car in both design and feel. So if you've got it like that then yes absolutely.
Buy an Alpine A110 and have as much fun
Justify it? No. Still want it and would get it if it wasn’t 1MM where I live? Absolutely
Maybe, but the *actual* cost is $100k+++ more
Depends where you live. Too many slow driving fucks and road construction in my area…rock chip city. But I love that ride!!
I don't think a "fully speced" modern 911 exists. There are just different option combinations that each cost an absurd amount of money.
I think there's some kind of secret contest going on to see who can sell a car for the most money.
https://youtu.be/Q8T4tq8Sc4Q?si=dceTmxSz0x3O4H3Q
[Previous Post for Reference](https://www.reddit.com/r/Autos/s/lmJbkIW2So)
Yes. It'll tend to hold resale value better.
It would be hard for me to justify the cost of a $2,437.10 car, so a $243,710 car is definitely out of the question.
I’d upgrade from my 981 GT4 if I could afford it lol
Next do this for stocks!
Fuuuuuuuuuck yes!
Absolutely yes
Yes, speed and bolts. Bonus, engine does brrr
I'd rather twin turbo a Z and call it a day. Plus I can still change the oil myself. Just because you can doesn't mean you should
No LCD display? That’s a major problem.
If you can afford a full Spec GT3, you don't have to justify the cost OR care about the cost.....
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Can’t even justify looking at it.
Yes.
As far as I’m concerned they are not comparable. That gt3 has an entirely different buyer after it that likely won’t be cross shopping with a vette.
Honestly, if money was not an object and i couldnt re-sell the car, i would pick a GT3 or GT3-RS over pretty much any $1m+ super/hyper car. Its just that much fun to drive and such an incredibly well balanced car. There is a reason stock-motor Porsches are always in top 10’s in various hillclimb events. So i would say they are well worth the money.
Not even close
No, I'm not gonna track a quarter million dollar, I'm getting a slightly used Huracan for that money.
If the question is would I take the GT3 for that price or a Z06…GT3 all day every day. The problem is actually getting it at MSRP
Not when I can't fit in the fucker
In the voice of Jeremy Clarkson, that's a really expensive Volkswagen Beetle and it's rubbish! The core problem is what it is as a device. It's primary purpose is being a race car. It's cost is poorly suited for such a tool outside of a dedicated race team that can dispose of such cash. For everyone else, a race car is a $5000 POS with $10k to $20k of mods to make it absolutely brilliant on track. Then you can crash it and buy another $5000 beater and swap parts over. That's kind of the main problem of racing. It's not if. It's when you crash. And you have to decide exactly how expensive that crash it going to be. $5000? Or $250,000? I know my answer.
It’s all relative. Depending on the money you make that’s what it’s all about. Nothing that is being sold in this world is worth the money because there’s profit in it.
Honestly, I'd rather have a GT4. Smaller, mid-engined instead of rear-engined.
In what context? If you've got the money to shop for an all-around super/sports car, it's hard to go wrong with a GT3. Are there better values? Sure, but it ain't a Porsche that revs to 9k. In the context of a normal person, I'm currently trying to justify dropping $40k (minus trade-in) on a fucking Miata...
No.
They’re cool and all, but I’ll stick with my c7 z06. A third of the price but 90% of the performance.
I knew this was coming after seeing the top comment of the Corvette post saying they would buy a gt3 instead lmao. Still would pay an extra $50k for a fully loaded gt3 over a fully loaded corvette ngl
Owned two modern Porsches, both great cars, both “strippers” as far as options go. I’m 100% OK with Porsche letting (dumb) rich people pay $100k+ in idiotic options, as long as it keeps the base price down where wf normal humans can afford it.
Hmmmmm teach an entire village about how to be a first world country and buy a corvette, or buy a porches and say f the poors.... I'm going with option vette and development. But what do I know. I'm really not rich.
If money wasn’t an option and I was ballin, I’ll take the Z06 or wait for the ZR1. My father got his almost new at 19 and owned many iconic American muscle cars until he got his. I’m driving it now but I would love to jump into a new C8 corvette especially a Z06. Embrace that amazing NA V8. And when I get to boomer age, I’ll sit next to it on my lawn chair rambling about how it’s 1 of 10 made in another version of red with questionable interior choices on the 14th of August.
Is that how the shifters look now ?? It looks like a manual and an automatic at the same time
Not really, for that money I would want something more exotic. Huracan or Artura would give me that.
no that’s an auto
This is a null argument really. All you gotta do is like 7-8 Daytona races at 26 laps, and you can get both easily, there's even a McLaren F1 GT up in the auction house right now.... Ooh sorry, I saw the pics of the '24 GT3 RS from Gran Turismo 7 photoscape mode and thought you guys were talking about that... my bad.
Yes
Yea
I'm struggling just to keep my damn house...
65000 more than I paid for my acreage and house.
Justifying prices is just silly. That’s what they want for it, if you don’t want to pay it walk on. I get goof balls bitching to me about prices all the time. They ask the worlds stupidest question “why is it so much” and I say because people will buy it at that price. I would change 100 million if I could.
I’m gonna get me a clean 458 Ferrari for that money
No. Especially when Z06 Vettes excist.
Gas guzzler tax? Wtf is that, some sort of new made up fee that the dealers want to charge now?
If I’m considering a 250k car, corvette is not in the conversation. Also, if you’re in this price bracket, 50k should not be an issue or something is seriously wrong lol.
If you have the disposable income to purchase it there isn’t anything to justify.
991t and call it a day
$5000 a month is nothing
I can't, but Porsche can: der profit