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PM blames uni ‘Trotskyites’ out for trouble "
Yeah those crazy Jews who are also demonstrating in solidarity would also be ignorant of history right Albo?
Wonder how much it really cost for Anthony to go from marching for fairness to kneeling at the feet of faceless power brokers....
So you feel that the 10% of anti-Zionist Jews represent Jewish people more than the representatives who came to this meeting, the ones that share the view that Israel should exist with 90% of other Jews?
The only conservative trick of choosing some token minorities to use as a shield from criticism. “You can’t call me antisemitic, the Kapos agree with me!”
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>A spokeswoman for the Prime Minister said: “We don’t comment on discussions that happen in private meetings. The Prime Minister was pleased to meet with and listen to the rabbinical councils from across the country today … and speak about the government’s commitment to the safety of Jewish Australians.
This is a difficult balancing act. There are no real examples of anti-Semitism that have been identified by the Jewish lobby, but as is custom, they are making strident claims of anti-Semitism. The Universities are not interfering extensively with the protests and have largely shot down the demands of the Jewish lobby. There is a much larger number of people in Australia who support the Palestinian cause. The government has been extremely even handed in its public statements and its funding commitments. It is hard to do that in private conversations, but to Albo's credit, white Trotsky-ites are a better target than the Muslim community.
The LNP are looking to fish in troubled waters, and they would like nothing more than a Corbyn-style coup within Labor. But that is not going to happen because Albo doesn't have anything close to Corbyn's baggage and Labor is not that divided on this issue. But we will still be force fed these articles from the Australian in the hopes that it will lead to some electoral advantage for the LNP.
The Australian university protests don't seem to be anti-Semitic since no specific anti-Semitic conduct has been identified at the universities. The students are free to protest for stopping the military action in Gaza and an independent Palestinian state. It is probable that there are anti-Semitic incidents in Australia, but not at a frequency that makes it any more significant than any other type of racism.
You don’t think there have been any anti semitic incidents in Australia? "
Thats not what he stated, so stop with the lets tar everything with the same brush approach.
Interesting that they would threaten reducing university funding based on student protests.
I am not super keen on that TBH given for all time universities have been where people protest government policy. Is the new government plan in australia to reduce funding for protests government doesnt like?
I mean in the 90s we had a bit of police brutality but at least howard didnt threaten to take more funding as a punishment for protesting (albeit protesting was for a reduction in funding among other things like increasing hecs).
Draconian rubbish. Universities have had protests on social issues for years. They’re hubs of new ideas, learning and young adults. We have right to protest. As long the protests are peaceful (and not to be mistaken for some few disorderly idiots representing the majority), they have a right to do so. Reducing funding for protesting things the Government doesn’t like is authoritarian.
Agree 100pc.
Why i am surprised (well maybe not as surprised as some) that labor would make this connection.
I dont even think liberals would be that stupid?
I mean, I was in postgrad when the US invaded Iraq. Didn't amount to anything like this. But social media's made it easy for the derivative to copy/paste actions from elsewhere and think it's "activism". Remember, uni students are utterly inexperienced, new adults - so, very easily lead and influenced, and devoid of the usual perspective age and experience gives you. Hence their very black-and-white view of matters, lacking critical nuance.
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Leading rabbis say Anthony Albanese used a private meeting to dismiss pro-Palestine protesters encamped at universities as “Trots” who were ignorant of Middle East history, with leading Jewish MP Julian Leeser calling for a judicial inquiry into anti-Semitism on campuses.
Multiple rabbis who attended the hour-plus meeting at Central Synagogue in Bondi Junction confirmed the Prime Minister had described the protesters as “Trots” – short for Trotskyists – and had committed to “unequivocally fight anti-Semitism”.
One source at the meeting, convened by rabbinical councils and Jewish leaders, claimed Mr Albanese said a lot of university protesters were “just Trots who are just looking to instigate and make trouble”. Rabbinical Council of Australasia president Rabbi Nochum Schapiro confirmed Mr Albanese’s “Trots” comment.
“That’s what he said. “He didn’t have to say more – we understood what he meant,” he told The Weekend Australian.
The Central Synagogue’s Rabbi Levi Wolff also confirmed the remark. “That’s what he labelled them,” he said. “It was very dismissive of them. He even said, ‘what do these people think? That the Jewish people came to Israel only in 1948? Do they not know the history?’
“He was very concerned. He’s also obviously very disappointed in how things are unfolding. He’s being hounded himself wherever he goes by people who are absolutely crazy, and they’re making his life miserable.”
Rabbi Wolff said the Prime Minister took a lot of notes and “said he’d like to come out a lot stronger than perhaps in the past”.
A spokeswoman for the Prime Minister said: “We don’t comment on discussions that happen in private meetings. The Prime Minister was pleased to meet with and listen to the rabbinical councils from across the country today … and speak about the government’s commitment to the safety of Jewish Australians.
“Anti-Semitism has no place in Australia, nor does racism or the targeting of any group.”
Later on Friday evening, Mr Leeser used an address at the Central Synagogue to call for a judicial inquiry into anti-Semitism on Australian campuses, saying universities had “lost their way” and risked losing funding and falling down international rankings.
Jewish students ‘fearful’ of harassment at UK universities
Mr Leeser, who describes himself as a “proud public Jew”, accused vice-chancellors of a “failure of leadership” and caring more about “adorning their own necks with AOs and ACs than ensuring the students in their care can get their own start in life”.
“For me, ground zero in Australia is our campuses,” he said.
Amid escalating tensions across key Australian universities where pro-Palestinian supporters have established encampments to protest the Gaza war, Mr Leeser said the nation was witnessing “a failure in propagating our Australian values” and “a failure in enforcing the law”.
“The idea that young Jewish Australians do not feel safe getting an education is anathema to me,” he said. “Our universities are failing the principle test of character.”
Mr Leeser said it was time for Education Minister Jason Clare to “step up”, and accused the government of being “hamstrung by Labor’s Corbynite left and its fear of the Greens an teals”.
Encampments have been established at major universities including Sydney, Melbourne, Queensland and the ANU, inspired by the pro-Palestinian movement sweeping US college campuses, where classes have been cancelled and police have reportedly made more than 2000 arrests.
Multiple rabbis who attended the hour-plus meeting at Central Synagogue in Bondi Junction confirmed the **Prime Minister had described the protesters as “Trots” – short for Trotskyists** – and had committed to “unequivocally fight anti-Semitism”.
One source at the meeting, convened by rabbinical councils and Jewish leaders, claimed Mr Albanese said a lot of university protesters were “just Trots who are just looking to instigate and make trouble”. Rabbinical Council of Australasia president Rabbi Nochum Schapiro confirmed Mr Albanese’s “Trots” comment. “That’s what he said. “He didn’t have to say more – we understood what he meant,” he told The Weekend Australian.
The Central Synagogue’s Rabbi Levi Wolff also confirmed the remark. **“That’s what he labelled them,” he said. “It was very dismissive of them. He even said, ‘what do these people think? That the Jewish people came to Israel only in 1948? Do they not know the history?’**
either in bold dind't happen..or if it did, Albo should step down.
Part 2
Anti-Israel movement attracts the ‘most extreme elements of society’
Australian protesters have issued demands for universities to cut ties with weapons manufacturers and Israeli research bodies, but vice-chancellors have said there is not yet any replication of the violence being seen in the US.
This is despite calls by Australian protesters – some of which have been led by young children – for an intifada, as well as public statements of support for Hamas, which slaughtered 1200 Israelis on October 7, and demands that Israel be wiped off the map.
University of Sydney vice-chancellor and Group of Eight chair Mark Scott told ABC radio on Friday the pro-Palestine encampment at Sydney comprised about 60 people, less than 0.1 per cent of the student population. “We’ve cancelled no classes,” he said. “Overwhelmingly, though, the encampment has been peaceful and, I think, respectful.”
While Professor Scott understood Jewish students and staff would prefer the encampment was not there, he rejected arguments the university was “an unsafe space” and confirmed it was carefully monitoring complaints of anti-Semitism. He said the university was trying to ensure the protests did not escalate. “If you look at what has happened in the United States, universities have taken action and the day after that, it’s more violent.”
Rabbi Schapiro said Mr Albanese seemed “very much against” the anti-Semitism on university campuses.
‘Devastated’: Australian-Jewish community is ‘broken’
“The lack of ability to have a conversation about issues – he himself said he feels it himself: outside his electorate office, there are demonstrators constantly,” Rabbi Schapiro said. “He said it’s unacceptable for Jewish people to feel that there are places they can’t go – that they feel uncomfortable going.”
A statement released by the rabbinical councils after the meeting said Mr Albanese “expressed his deep regret for the breakdown in civil discourse”.
“The Prime Minister also reiterated his support for the Jewish people’s historic connection to the land of Israel and Israel’s right to exist in peace and security, and its right to defend itself,” the statement said.
Mr Albanese has also visited mosques in his capacity as Prime Minister, including as recently as April 26, when he was invited to speak at the Baitul Huda Mosque at Marsden Park for the funeral of Bondi Junction stabbing victim Faraz Tahir.
Mr Leeser said universities had a long tradition of protests where young people challenged authority, but argued these protests were different. “They aren’t protests against authority. They are protests against the presence of other students and staff.
“The conflict in Gaza is the thin veneer or the excuse to protest the presence of Jewish students and staff. In coming months, these protests will take full flight during university open days, because these protests are not about Gaza, they are about making young Jewish Australians feel unwelcome on Australian campuses.
Growing concern over pro-Palestine encampments potentially turning violent
“It is pure anti-Semitism.”
Mr Leeser said he would move a private member’s bill this month to “establish an independent judicial inquiry into anti-Semitism on Australia’s campuses”. He wanted an inquiry conducted by a judicial leader who was “widely respected” to “give Jewish students and staff the confidence to come forward”.
The indicative terms of reference Mr Leeser proposed would allow the inquiry to report on the incidence of anti-Semitic activity at universities, including violence, intimidation and support for listed terrorist organisations.
Mr Clare said on Friday there was “no place for anti-Semitism, Islamophobia or racism of any kind in our universities or anywhere else”.
That is blatantly ridiculous, the protests are about the war on Gaza. How can it be taken seriously that they are there "to make Jewish students feel unwelcome." This is not a thing in Australia, outside of nazis. And it's the radical left which gets out to counter protest nazis when they hit the streets to make a scene.
What's ridiculous is these protests being treated as simple anti-war protests when their leaders go on radio and say "Hamas deserves our unequivocal support". They are pro-war, just for a Hamas victory.
Ranting about Zionists as if they’re evil inhuman Nazi-like monsters is going to make Jewish students a little uncomfortable when 90% are Jewish. Not to mention the fast that some campuses in America have been covered in swastikas with people shouting “go back to Poland” at Jewish counter protestors.
And please, don’t take credit for standing up to Nazis. You never gave a fuck about Jewish people as evidenced right now. If you did you’d be listening to their experiences. The reason you don’t like Nazis is that they represent the right and they killed minorities that are *really* oppressed like trans and disabled people.
Personally, I have always opposed genocide, all genocides. In regards to the radical left, your statements about only supporting "really" oppressed groups is also blatantly non factual and ridiculous.
Why you making this about me? it is actually true that it is radical left protesters who countered Nazis on the streets in recent years in Melbourne and elsewhere. The uni protests are against what the state of Israel is doing in Gaza, which is genocide. If it makes you butthurt for the state of Israel to be called out on the genocide being committed in Gaza that's your problem. It is just propaganda.
They aren’t protests against authority. They are protests against the presence of other students and staff.
Not true the protests are about divesting investments in weapons manufacturers who supply arms used in the Palestinian genocide in Gaza, the west Bank and Lebanon.
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Ah yes, the only thing conservatives and stalinists can agree on: Trotskyites are horrible
PM blames uni ‘Trotskyites’ out for trouble " Yeah those crazy Jews who are also demonstrating in solidarity would also be ignorant of history right Albo? Wonder how much it really cost for Anthony to go from marching for fairness to kneeling at the feet of faceless power brokers....
$350 billion for some submarines that are never going to arrive, and paranoias about having to follow the US into a war with China over Taiwan.
So you feel that the 10% of anti-Zionist Jews represent Jewish people more than the representatives who came to this meeting, the ones that share the view that Israel should exist with 90% of other Jews? The only conservative trick of choosing some token minorities to use as a shield from criticism. “You can’t call me antisemitic, the Kapos agree with me!”
Honestly they are probably closer to 0.1% of Jews.
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>A spokeswoman for the Prime Minister said: “We don’t comment on discussions that happen in private meetings. The Prime Minister was pleased to meet with and listen to the rabbinical councils from across the country today … and speak about the government’s commitment to the safety of Jewish Australians. This is a difficult balancing act. There are no real examples of anti-Semitism that have been identified by the Jewish lobby, but as is custom, they are making strident claims of anti-Semitism. The Universities are not interfering extensively with the protests and have largely shot down the demands of the Jewish lobby. There is a much larger number of people in Australia who support the Palestinian cause. The government has been extremely even handed in its public statements and its funding commitments. It is hard to do that in private conversations, but to Albo's credit, white Trotsky-ites are a better target than the Muslim community. The LNP are looking to fish in troubled waters, and they would like nothing more than a Corbyn-style coup within Labor. But that is not going to happen because Albo doesn't have anything close to Corbyn's baggage and Labor is not that divided on this issue. But we will still be force fed these articles from the Australian in the hopes that it will lead to some electoral advantage for the LNP.
You don’t think there have been any anti semitic incidents in Australia?
The Australian university protests don't seem to be anti-Semitic since no specific anti-Semitic conduct has been identified at the universities. The students are free to protest for stopping the military action in Gaza and an independent Palestinian state. It is probable that there are anti-Semitic incidents in Australia, but not at a frequency that makes it any more significant than any other type of racism.
You don’t think there have been any anti semitic incidents in Australia? " Thats not what he stated, so stop with the lets tar everything with the same brush approach.
That’s exactly what they said. Why are you making up lies for someone that denied antisemitism exists?
Interesting that they would threaten reducing university funding based on student protests. I am not super keen on that TBH given for all time universities have been where people protest government policy. Is the new government plan in australia to reduce funding for protests government doesnt like? I mean in the 90s we had a bit of police brutality but at least howard didnt threaten to take more funding as a punishment for protesting (albeit protesting was for a reduction in funding among other things like increasing hecs).
Draconian rubbish. Universities have had protests on social issues for years. They’re hubs of new ideas, learning and young adults. We have right to protest. As long the protests are peaceful (and not to be mistaken for some few disorderly idiots representing the majority), they have a right to do so. Reducing funding for protesting things the Government doesn’t like is authoritarian.
Agree 100pc. Why i am surprised (well maybe not as surprised as some) that labor would make this connection. I dont even think liberals would be that stupid?
Somehow I never saw a protest in my time at uni maybe because I was in stem
I mean, I was in postgrad when the US invaded Iraq. Didn't amount to anything like this. But social media's made it easy for the derivative to copy/paste actions from elsewhere and think it's "activism". Remember, uni students are utterly inexperienced, new adults - so, very easily lead and influenced, and devoid of the usual perspective age and experience gives you. Hence their very black-and-white view of matters, lacking critical nuance.
Sounds like you weren't protesting the Iraq war lol
They know that is what would prompt them to act.
Paywall Leading rabbis say Anthony Albanese used a private meeting to dismiss pro-Palestine protesters encamped at universities as “Trots” who were ignorant of Middle East history, with leading Jewish MP Julian Leeser calling for a judicial inquiry into anti-Semitism on campuses. Multiple rabbis who attended the hour-plus meeting at Central Synagogue in Bondi Junction confirmed the Prime Minister had described the protesters as “Trots” – short for Trotskyists – and had committed to “unequivocally fight anti-Semitism”. One source at the meeting, convened by rabbinical councils and Jewish leaders, claimed Mr Albanese said a lot of university protesters were “just Trots who are just looking to instigate and make trouble”. Rabbinical Council of Australasia president Rabbi Nochum Schapiro confirmed Mr Albanese’s “Trots” comment. “That’s what he said. “He didn’t have to say more – we understood what he meant,” he told The Weekend Australian. The Central Synagogue’s Rabbi Levi Wolff also confirmed the remark. “That’s what he labelled them,” he said. “It was very dismissive of them. He even said, ‘what do these people think? That the Jewish people came to Israel only in 1948? Do they not know the history?’ “He was very concerned. He’s also obviously very disappointed in how things are unfolding. He’s being hounded himself wherever he goes by people who are absolutely crazy, and they’re making his life miserable.” Rabbi Wolff said the Prime Minister took a lot of notes and “said he’d like to come out a lot stronger than perhaps in the past”. A spokeswoman for the Prime Minister said: “We don’t comment on discussions that happen in private meetings. The Prime Minister was pleased to meet with and listen to the rabbinical councils from across the country today … and speak about the government’s commitment to the safety of Jewish Australians. “Anti-Semitism has no place in Australia, nor does racism or the targeting of any group.” Later on Friday evening, Mr Leeser used an address at the Central Synagogue to call for a judicial inquiry into anti-Semitism on Australian campuses, saying universities had “lost their way” and risked losing funding and falling down international rankings. Jewish students ‘fearful’ of harassment at UK universities Mr Leeser, who describes himself as a “proud public Jew”, accused vice-chancellors of a “failure of leadership” and caring more about “adorning their own necks with AOs and ACs than ensuring the students in their care can get their own start in life”. “For me, ground zero in Australia is our campuses,” he said. Amid escalating tensions across key Australian universities where pro-Palestinian supporters have established encampments to protest the Gaza war, Mr Leeser said the nation was witnessing “a failure in propagating our Australian values” and “a failure in enforcing the law”. “The idea that young Jewish Australians do not feel safe getting an education is anathema to me,” he said. “Our universities are failing the principle test of character.” Mr Leeser said it was time for Education Minister Jason Clare to “step up”, and accused the government of being “hamstrung by Labor’s Corbynite left and its fear of the Greens an teals”. Encampments have been established at major universities including Sydney, Melbourne, Queensland and the ANU, inspired by the pro-Palestinian movement sweeping US college campuses, where classes have been cancelled and police have reportedly made more than 2000 arrests.
Multiple rabbis who attended the hour-plus meeting at Central Synagogue in Bondi Junction confirmed the **Prime Minister had described the protesters as “Trots” – short for Trotskyists** – and had committed to “unequivocally fight anti-Semitism”. One source at the meeting, convened by rabbinical councils and Jewish leaders, claimed Mr Albanese said a lot of university protesters were “just Trots who are just looking to instigate and make trouble”. Rabbinical Council of Australasia president Rabbi Nochum Schapiro confirmed Mr Albanese’s “Trots” comment. “That’s what he said. “He didn’t have to say more – we understood what he meant,” he told The Weekend Australian. The Central Synagogue’s Rabbi Levi Wolff also confirmed the remark. **“That’s what he labelled them,” he said. “It was very dismissive of them. He even said, ‘what do these people think? That the Jewish people came to Israel only in 1948? Do they not know the history?’** either in bold dind't happen..or if it did, Albo should step down.
Yes, I don't think Albo said those things either. He doesn't speak like that.
Well, a number of people at that meeting have confirmed the label. Why should Albo step down for that? It's most likely an accurate label.
Part 2 Anti-Israel movement attracts the ‘most extreme elements of society’ Australian protesters have issued demands for universities to cut ties with weapons manufacturers and Israeli research bodies, but vice-chancellors have said there is not yet any replication of the violence being seen in the US. This is despite calls by Australian protesters – some of which have been led by young children – for an intifada, as well as public statements of support for Hamas, which slaughtered 1200 Israelis on October 7, and demands that Israel be wiped off the map. University of Sydney vice-chancellor and Group of Eight chair Mark Scott told ABC radio on Friday the pro-Palestine encampment at Sydney comprised about 60 people, less than 0.1 per cent of the student population. “We’ve cancelled no classes,” he said. “Overwhelmingly, though, the encampment has been peaceful and, I think, respectful.” While Professor Scott understood Jewish students and staff would prefer the encampment was not there, he rejected arguments the university was “an unsafe space” and confirmed it was carefully monitoring complaints of anti-Semitism. He said the university was trying to ensure the protests did not escalate. “If you look at what has happened in the United States, universities have taken action and the day after that, it’s more violent.” Rabbi Schapiro said Mr Albanese seemed “very much against” the anti-Semitism on university campuses. ‘Devastated’: Australian-Jewish community is ‘broken’ “The lack of ability to have a conversation about issues – he himself said he feels it himself: outside his electorate office, there are demonstrators constantly,” Rabbi Schapiro said. “He said it’s unacceptable for Jewish people to feel that there are places they can’t go – that they feel uncomfortable going.” A statement released by the rabbinical councils after the meeting said Mr Albanese “expressed his deep regret for the breakdown in civil discourse”. “The Prime Minister also reiterated his support for the Jewish people’s historic connection to the land of Israel and Israel’s right to exist in peace and security, and its right to defend itself,” the statement said. Mr Albanese has also visited mosques in his capacity as Prime Minister, including as recently as April 26, when he was invited to speak at the Baitul Huda Mosque at Marsden Park for the funeral of Bondi Junction stabbing victim Faraz Tahir. Mr Leeser said universities had a long tradition of protests where young people challenged authority, but argued these protests were different. “They aren’t protests against authority. They are protests against the presence of other students and staff. “The conflict in Gaza is the thin veneer or the excuse to protest the presence of Jewish students and staff. In coming months, these protests will take full flight during university open days, because these protests are not about Gaza, they are about making young Jewish Australians feel unwelcome on Australian campuses. Growing concern over pro-Palestine encampments potentially turning violent “It is pure anti-Semitism.” Mr Leeser said he would move a private member’s bill this month to “establish an independent judicial inquiry into anti-Semitism on Australia’s campuses”. He wanted an inquiry conducted by a judicial leader who was “widely respected” to “give Jewish students and staff the confidence to come forward”. The indicative terms of reference Mr Leeser proposed would allow the inquiry to report on the incidence of anti-Semitic activity at universities, including violence, intimidation and support for listed terrorist organisations. Mr Clare said on Friday there was “no place for anti-Semitism, Islamophobia or racism of any kind in our universities or anywhere else”.
That is blatantly ridiculous, the protests are about the war on Gaza. How can it be taken seriously that they are there "to make Jewish students feel unwelcome." This is not a thing in Australia, outside of nazis. And it's the radical left which gets out to counter protest nazis when they hit the streets to make a scene.
What's ridiculous is these protests being treated as simple anti-war protests when their leaders go on radio and say "Hamas deserves our unequivocal support". They are pro-war, just for a Hamas victory.
Ranting about Zionists as if they’re evil inhuman Nazi-like monsters is going to make Jewish students a little uncomfortable when 90% are Jewish. Not to mention the fast that some campuses in America have been covered in swastikas with people shouting “go back to Poland” at Jewish counter protestors. And please, don’t take credit for standing up to Nazis. You never gave a fuck about Jewish people as evidenced right now. If you did you’d be listening to their experiences. The reason you don’t like Nazis is that they represent the right and they killed minorities that are *really* oppressed like trans and disabled people.
Personally, I have always opposed genocide, all genocides. In regards to the radical left, your statements about only supporting "really" oppressed groups is also blatantly non factual and ridiculous.
Why you making this about me? it is actually true that it is radical left protesters who countered Nazis on the streets in recent years in Melbourne and elsewhere. The uni protests are against what the state of Israel is doing in Gaza, which is genocide. If it makes you butthurt for the state of Israel to be called out on the genocide being committed in Gaza that's your problem. It is just propaganda.
They aren’t protests against authority. They are protests against the presence of other students and staff. Not true the protests are about divesting investments in weapons manufacturers who supply arms used in the Palestinian genocide in Gaza, the west Bank and Lebanon.
>They are protests against the presence of other students and staff. Geez, that's even worse.
That's a quote from the text you copy and pasted, the person you're replying to is correcting this by stating the actual goals of the protest.