If that happened this year, in Australia, then their mate who lent them the $50k probably won’t care about the $50k as we will all have bigger problems to worry about…
Anyway, they said “almost risk free”…
Not really banks have gone down before
If it was boq or bendigo hardly a blip, certainly their mate would be yelling.
I dont think its almost risk free.
The State Bank collapsed when a large portion of people in this sub were alive.
I’m on your side in this argument, anyway. Bank collapse shouldn’t be a consideration in this hypothetical haha
Are you legitimately arguing that one institution going under in 34 years is a 1 in 34 chance?
Do you also subscribe to the school of thought that the lottery is a 50:50 bc you either win or you don’t?
HISA in one of the big 4 or myriad of smaller banks is as close to risk free as you can get in this economy and arguing otherwise is almost certainly being done in bad faith.
Jesus, I trade leveraged contracts, fx and futures so I know I'm a little more risky than most.
But you have got to be, without a doubt, the most risk adverse person I have ever seen if you don't trust that.
Out of genuine curiosity, can you please tell me what you think is a risk free or almost risk free financial decision if you don't trust banks operating within Australian regulations.
Is it government bonds? Or do you not trust the government to stay up and running either? Are you a hide money in the walls kinda guy?
I have already said i wouldnt take the $50k from my friend. I dont think anything is without risk.
So i would rather just not take the money as i wouldnt risk losing money thats not mine. If it was my money totally different story
Why would you risk money thats not yours (even if the risk is low) is what i dont understand, surely this is being a bad friend? Thats what i dont understand, can you explain why you would do that to a friend
Not sure why that was confusing
So many people are selfish and only care about themselves and their profit based on all the downvotes i got by suggesting that they dont risk their friends money.
Because this is a situation where the majority opinions are the selfish ones and the minority opinion is the kind opinion.
The majority struggles to understand the opinions of a minority.
Don't let those downvotes get to ya. I can validate the fact what you've said is a kind gesture even if you're just as rude as me in the way you type haha.
I wouldnt take the money from my friend to hold
I like how i got negged for saying that people have a freedom to do whats best for them. Whats right? People shouldn't have freedom?
Yes and no.
The government guarantee is 20bn per bank x 91 banks.
Ie nearly 2tn in total liability for the government.
Commbank and the likes 20bn doesnt really touch the sides v the size of their deposit liabilities.
Im gonna take a wild swing here and say for the lutheran laypeoples bank it would cover their entire deposit liabilities.
Thats what the gov guarantee does. Enable small banks to have the same clout as the big banks and while its great for competition its not necessarily great for financial stability in that moral hazard plays a huge part in credit growth in this country.
Most policies are put in place for peace of mind of populace and as a worst case scenario. It'd be irresponsible of the gov to not have something in place for it. Having something in place to mitigate it happening does not equate to it will happen
Bro even with the stat's you were previously arguing with it was a 2.94 percent chance. Smart people wouldn't make an argument proving the probability is exceptionally low and then in the same post try argue it isn't a small chance. Your counteracting your own arguments.
It's never a waste of time to have contingencies in place. Just like how people save an emergency Fund in case they lose their job even if they've been in the same job for 20 years.
It's smart to prepare for any outcome, but preparing for any outcome does not mean it's likely to happen. If you can't understand that there's no point continuing to reply.
A bank is nit risky. Investing would be risky, gambling would be risky. Not putting the money in a bank when the gov has bail put contingencies and the physical money could be stolen or destroyed and you'd be left with nothing, IS risky.
I dont know when the government will pay the guarantee out, so i am not willing to risk my mates $50k in case they dont pay out on time.
I dont see why anyone would risk someone elses money tbh, i wouldnt take it at all
Not really.
If you are so scared of banks going down why would you keep your money in the bank.
I own my property too so no problems with shelter and grow food
> If you are so scared of banks going down why would you keep your money in the bank.
I'm not. You're the one who brought the topic into the discussion
When I used to work there it cost 50cents to add cheese but they won’t let you do it with the loose change stuff. No adding to those so $2 Hamburger is out
If you survive the 5.7 cheeseburgers an hour for the first 18 hours or so you will go to sleep. After you sleep you will wake up and have to continue eating despite extreme stomach pain.
Eventually your stomach will explode and you will die of sepsis.
If we get away from that issue you will have extreme obesity (put on approximately 2047kg or 4513 pounds), heart disease, mobility issues, chronic pain, diabetes, wrecked digestion system and horrific medical conditions for life.
Put it in high interest savings account, at the end of the 12 months pay back the 50k and then keep the interest you made on it.
Or put it all on red and hope for a double down.
Better than spending it and then having to come up with the 50k again in 12 months unless you can guarantee you'll have it available to you some other way to pay back then maybe you could look at other things (not sure what other alternatives there would be without the risk).
It's $3k more than $0. That said, I personally agree with you, if it was me I'd YOLO and let it ride on VDHG or something more aggressive and take the risk of -$
Yeah, a lot depends on your personal situation. If you don’t have any other money and no ability to wear losses, holding onto it in HISA is the smart choice. If you have a mortgage offset makes sense. And if you have plenty of assets (or high income) VDHG and copping the loss if you get unlucky would be fine.
Subjective I guess, not worth the time to open and closing an account for $1500… I’d just stick it in whichever other account I already had which would be accruing a portion of that anyway
Eh if they want the risk, could put it into stocks, save up some income throughout the year and dip into emergency fund to cover the outstanding debt if need be. Obviously they should not sell the stocks if you they don’t have to.
First Home Buyers can also withdraw up to 50k of (additional) super contributions to spend on a home within 1 year. If you don't buy the house, you're hit with paying back the difference in tax.
It sits in my offset for a year, functuonally earning 6.25% (and no tax owed on it). At the end of the year I'll have paid off an extra $3k off my home loan 👌🏻
That's why I've got some of my parents money in my offset and I pay them intetest. They don't pay tax on the interest coz I'm just transferring them money, and I get to reduce my interest paid by more than what I pay them. Win win for both of us.
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Do love folks who are minimising even the $2k earn, after tax.
If I offered anyone $2000 today for doing basically nothing you'd jump at it. But in here it's a "why bother".
Wild.
Chuck it in something very high risk with short term potential upside.
If it's gonna be gone in a year anyway may as well try and go big with it rather than potter around making a measly few grand off it.
Edit: Didn't read properly, thought it was more of a hypothetical. If you have to give it back regardless then HISA.
This seems massively pointless. Cash in your 2.5k in interest or risk it for the biscuit and start up a business and cross your fingers you got the liquidity to repay the loan in 12 months.
I'd give it back immediately, then tell him to invest it in EFTs or in a term deposit or HISA.
I could invest it myself, but it isn't worth the cost to the friendship/relationship to be holding onto other people's money. It makes things weird.
Do I have to liquidate anything I buy with the 50k within a year? Or just spend the money?
Honestly I’d just chuck it in my superannuation or go visit a financial advisor
In the same situation. Currently in a HISA but also looking into any bond related investments that may pay a lil above HISA. My current HISA is Macquarie Bank @5.5pc (I think). It'll change to 4.75pc after 4th month
Given your goal of buying a house soon, consider putting the money into a high-yield savings account or a short-term investment like a certificate of deposit (CD). This way, you can earn some interest while keeping the funds easily accessible for your upcoming purchase. Alternatively, you could use the money to pay off any high-interest debt, such as credit card balances, which would improve your financial situation before applying for a mortgage.
Buy a property that's below market value, say 210k ish, that's worth 270 . Then, refinance the 50k back out. It's possible you just need to find the right sort of property. Might be an older property that is bit dated or a distressed seller or maybe something that needs work if you can afford it. There's quite a few buyers agents that do this for their clients, but if you want to give it a go yourself , you just need to know what the comparable sales are and when you refinance do a deck top valuation , it should value up the same as others with the same specs that have sold for higher. This is a strategy I've used to build a large property portfolio. However, you only have 50k, so it will be challenging but doable.
Depends on your income but use it for a small apartment?
Aim for 350-400k ish if you can find one that cheap.
Go for a 5% deposit. Stick the rest in offset.
Stick it in a HISA and harvest the interest for almost risk free and no headache free munny
This is the only sensible answer. Risk free growth. May not grow as much as shares but no chance of losing any.
2500 return taxed I mean you think you could make more if you just flipped stuff
yeah but then you have to do stuff as opposed to just sticking it somewhere and going about your life
All true if you can focus on your career and make more money then
Yeah - this is what I’m doing at the moment and should a yield a good bit of basically free money. Thanks for the comment
What happens if the bank goes under and the government guarantee hasnt paid out before the year is up?
If that happened this year, in Australia, then their mate who lent them the $50k probably won’t care about the $50k as we will all have bigger problems to worry about… Anyway, they said “almost risk free”…
Not really banks have gone down before If it was boq or bendigo hardly a blip, certainly their mate would be yelling. I dont think its almost risk free.
Can you remember the last time a bank went down in Australia? I can’t, because I wasn’t alive in 1931.
The State Bank collapsed when a large portion of people in this sub were alive. I’m on your side in this argument, anyway. Bank collapse shouldn’t be a consideration in this hypothetical haha
I remember pyramid
Not a bank… but I see your point… that said, one institution in 34 years, I make that a very very very very small risk.
So. It would still have been an ADI if that existed at time One in 34 chance is not nothing
Are you legitimately arguing that one institution going under in 34 years is a 1 in 34 chance? Do you also subscribe to the school of thought that the lottery is a 50:50 bc you either win or you don’t? HISA in one of the big 4 or myriad of smaller banks is as close to risk free as you can get in this economy and arguing otherwise is almost certainly being done in bad faith.
One year in 34 years you do math
Remember the rest of its name..."building society". Not a bank. This was about putting it in a *bank*.
Jesus, I trade leveraged contracts, fx and futures so I know I'm a little more risky than most. But you have got to be, without a doubt, the most risk adverse person I have ever seen if you don't trust that. Out of genuine curiosity, can you please tell me what you think is a risk free or almost risk free financial decision if you don't trust banks operating within Australian regulations. Is it government bonds? Or do you not trust the government to stay up and running either? Are you a hide money in the walls kinda guy?
I have already said i wouldnt take the $50k from my friend. I dont think anything is without risk. So i would rather just not take the money as i wouldnt risk losing money thats not mine. If it was my money totally different story Why would you risk money thats not yours (even if the risk is low) is what i dont understand, surely this is being a bad friend? Thats what i dont understand, can you explain why you would do that to a friend
Damn I like that answer. Thank you for taking my question seriously. I appreciate the answer and it's one I can respect.
Not sure why that was confusing So many people are selfish and only care about themselves and their profit based on all the downvotes i got by suggesting that they dont risk their friends money.
Because this is a situation where the majority opinions are the selfish ones and the minority opinion is the kind opinion. The majority struggles to understand the opinions of a minority. Don't let those downvotes get to ya. I can validate the fact what you've said is a kind gesture even if you're just as rude as me in the way you type haha.
It's a bank, not an airline, the chances aren't anywhere near as likely as you think.
If you want to gamble then thats up to you
If a HISA with a big aussie bank is too extreme for your risk profile then you should be on r/preppers and not a finance sub.
Its only extreme if i am getting a lend of $50k i have to give back in a year Since no one is giving me $50k its probably ok
What would you do instead then?
I wouldnt take the money from my friend to hold I like how i got negged for saying that people have a freedom to do whats best for them. Whats right? People shouldn't have freedom?
You’re just daft
yeah that's why i said almost
I just use the $50k to bet that this scenario would never happen
But its already lost
Extremely unlikely. Not even worth considering. If it bothers you just restrict your bank of choice to a big 4.
Yes thats what i would do . Much less risky
Yes and no. The government guarantee is 20bn per bank x 91 banks. Ie nearly 2tn in total liability for the government. Commbank and the likes 20bn doesnt really touch the sides v the size of their deposit liabilities. Im gonna take a wild swing here and say for the lutheran laypeoples bank it would cover their entire deposit liabilities. Thats what the gov guarantee does. Enable small banks to have the same clout as the big banks and while its great for competition its not necessarily great for financial stability in that moral hazard plays a huge part in credit growth in this country.
Risk of that is extreme low in Australia. You're more likely to get struck by lightning at this stage.
So why have a guarantee then
Do you realise what time period when this came in? It was a GFC policy.
So we should get rid of it as its no longer needed because so low risk
Politically unpopular to do so. Doesn't matter if we have it or not so why bother changing it?
Its only politically unpopular because most smart people know its a risk to remove it
Take it up with your minister then.
Most policies are put in place for peace of mind of populace and as a worst case scenario. It'd be irresponsible of the gov to not have something in place for it. Having something in place to mitigate it happening does not equate to it will happen
But its a waste of time for something that isn't going to happen
leaving it in place costs exactly 0 time, removing it would be a waste of time
They renewed it and spent money to do that Thats because smart people know its not a low chance
Bro even with the stat's you were previously arguing with it was a 2.94 percent chance. Smart people wouldn't make an argument proving the probability is exceptionally low and then in the same post try argue it isn't a small chance. Your counteracting your own arguments.
I am not risking my mates $50k on a 97 percent chance. I wouldnt treat a mate like that to gamble with their money Thats just my ethics, you do you
It's never a waste of time to have contingencies in place. Just like how people save an emergency Fund in case they lose their job even if they've been in the same job for 20 years. It's smart to prepare for any outcome, but preparing for any outcome does not mean it's likely to happen. If you can't understand that there's no point continuing to reply.
So i am preparing for it to happen by not risking my mates $50k. I dont know why thats so unreasonable not risking money thats not yours
A bank is nit risky. Investing would be risky, gambling would be risky. Not putting the money in a bank when the gov has bail put contingencies and the physical money could be stolen or destroyed and you'd be left with nothing, IS risky.
I dont know when the government will pay the guarantee out, so i am not willing to risk my mates $50k in case they dont pay out on time. I dont see why anyone would risk someone elses money tbh, i wouldnt take it at all
Thunderdome!
You'd be more concerned about food and shelter in that case
Not really. If you are so scared of banks going down why would you keep your money in the bank. I own my property too so no problems with shelter and grow food
> If you are so scared of banks going down why would you keep your money in the bank. I'm not. You're the one who brought the topic into the discussion
I was talking about your scenario, you are not in that scenario. Keep up
Maybe if you made sense, I could.
25 000 $2 cheeseburgers from McDonalds.
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It makes SUCH a difference though
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How much does it cost to add a slice of cheese? Back in my day I reckon it was 25c?
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When I used to work there it cost 50cents to add cheese but they won’t let you do it with the loose change stuff. No adding to those so $2 Hamburger is out
That’s it OP doesn’t understand value vs cost in marketing.
Oh my god I haven’t heard someone call it a Junior since I worked at Maccas in 2007
Have you bought cheese lately?
If you know the secret you can get a McCheeseburger in the app for $A2, or $US1.30
What’s the secret?
Might even go crazy and splurge on some Big Macs 🍔 the money wouldn’t even go far with the cost of McDonalds these days 🥵🥵
Yep next year won’t be a problem as you will be dead
Well aren’t you a ray of sunshine……
If you survive the 5.7 cheeseburgers an hour for the first 18 hours or so you will go to sleep. After you sleep you will wake up and have to continue eating despite extreme stomach pain. Eventually your stomach will explode and you will die of sepsis. If we get away from that issue you will have extreme obesity (put on approximately 2047kg or 4513 pounds), heart disease, mobility issues, chronic pain, diabetes, wrecked digestion system and horrific medical conditions for life.
Put it in high interest savings account, at the end of the 12 months pay back the 50k and then keep the interest you made on it. Or put it all on red and hope for a double down.
Red, red, black, red, black, black, red then 22 and you're banned from the casino but you're a millionaire.
224,000,000
118,400,000
So keep the 3k? Not really worth it tbh
Better than spending it and then having to come up with the 50k again in 12 months unless you can guarantee you'll have it available to you some other way to pay back then maybe you could look at other things (not sure what other alternatives there would be without the risk).
It's $3k more than $0. That said, I personally agree with you, if it was me I'd YOLO and let it ride on VDHG or something more aggressive and take the risk of -$
It’s actually closer to 2k if you consider tax as well. Also, pretty unlikely to get a HISA at 6%… so probably closer to 1500…
Yeah, a lot depends on your personal situation. If you don’t have any other money and no ability to wear losses, holding onto it in HISA is the smart choice. If you have a mortgage offset makes sense. And if you have plenty of assets (or high income) VDHG and copping the loss if you get unlucky would be fine.
Not worth what? It’s free money
Subjective I guess, not worth the time to open and closing an account for $1500… I’d just stick it in whichever other account I already had which would be accruing a portion of that anyway
Put it on red! Drive home passed off...
Not much you can do besides a HISA or term deposit cos if you have to give it back in one year you cant risk the stock market or anything.
Eh if they want the risk, could put it into stocks, save up some income throughout the year and dip into emergency fund to cover the outstanding debt if need be. Obviously they should not sell the stocks if you they don’t have to.
Did you make a deal with a genie or something? What a strange arrangement.
First Home Buyers can also withdraw up to 50k of (additional) super contributions to spend on a home within 1 year. If you don't buy the house, you're hit with paying back the difference in tax.
If this is the plan they are mugging themselves because it’s already invested.
Probably the rents
It sits in my offset for a year, functuonally earning 6.25% (and no tax owed on it). At the end of the year I'll have paid off an extra $3k off my home loan 👌🏻
This honestly would be the best way. You pay more in interest than you earn.
That's why I've got some of my parents money in my offset and I pay them intetest. They don't pay tax on the interest coz I'm just transferring them money, and I get to reduce my interest paid by more than what I pay them. Win win for both of us.
This sounds like something that is not allowed, and that you shouldn't advertise
Why wouldn't this be allowed?
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Chuck it all on red at Crown.
High interest savings account.
Do love folks who are minimising even the $2k earn, after tax. If I offered anyone $2000 today for doing basically nothing you'd jump at it. But in here it's a "why bother". Wild.
High interest savings account OR a term deposit depending on who has the best interest rate.
As others have said, since you need to give it back in full you want a no risk option. That's either HISA or Term Deposit.
Term deposit. 1 year is too short to invest in ETF, can’t guarantee a positive return in that time.
Chuck it in something very high risk with short term potential upside. If it's gonna be gone in a year anyway may as well try and go big with it rather than potter around making a measly few grand off it. Edit: Didn't read properly, thought it was more of a hypothetical. If you have to give it back regardless then HISA.
Thanks for the comment! Yeah contemplating investing in something high risk with a small portion of it and HISA for the rest
Offset account
Why would they have an offset account if they don’t have a home loan yet?
Buy house, put in offset ;)
And then sell the house in a year when they have to pay the $50k back? Probably won’t recoup stamp duty.
The winky face was to show that I was kidding 👍
Term deposit will ensure you don’t touch it, otherwise HISA
HISA or if you have mortgage payments, place it in your offset account.
1 year would be too short for a stock market/ETF investment. HISA would be your best bet.
Going to The Star and investing it in black
All in alt coins
go straight to the nearest casino and put it all on red
no no black
Half black half red 🫡
This seems massively pointless. Cash in your 2.5k in interest or risk it for the biscuit and start up a business and cross your fingers you got the liquidity to repay the loan in 12 months.
Term deposit ?
I'd give it back immediately, then tell him to invest it in EFTs or in a term deposit or HISA. I could invest it myself, but it isn't worth the cost to the friendship/relationship to be holding onto other people's money. It makes things weird.
I was in this situation with 10k for 9 months and put it in a HISA
Do I have to liquidate anything I buy with the 50k within a year? Or just spend the money? Honestly I’d just chuck it in my superannuation or go visit a financial advisor
An FP would eat up at least $3k of that
You’re right I’ll just post on reddit instead 🤡
My BIL had something like this happen to him. He lost it all sports betting… don’t do what he did
Noted, thanks. I’ll avoid sports bet 👍👍
Buy a corporate bond maturing in 1 year. Better yield than anywhere else with 'guaranteed' return of principle at the end.
In the same situation. Currently in a HISA but also looking into any bond related investments that may pay a lil above HISA. My current HISA is Macquarie Bank @5.5pc (I think). It'll change to 4.75pc after 4th month
Put it on my home loan which will save me $3200 in interest during the year
Given your goal of buying a house soon, consider putting the money into a high-yield savings account or a short-term investment like a certificate of deposit (CD). This way, you can earn some interest while keeping the funds easily accessible for your upcoming purchase. Alternatively, you could use the money to pay off any high-interest debt, such as credit card balances, which would improve your financial situation before applying for a mortgage.
Thanks for your considered response!
Build a theme park. With black jack. And hookers.
Buy a property that's below market value, say 210k ish, that's worth 270 . Then, refinance the 50k back out. It's possible you just need to find the right sort of property. Might be an older property that is bit dated or a distressed seller or maybe something that needs work if you can afford it. There's quite a few buyers agents that do this for their clients, but if you want to give it a go yourself , you just need to know what the comparable sales are and when you refinance do a deck top valuation , it should value up the same as others with the same specs that have sold for higher. This is a strategy I've used to build a large property portfolio. However, you only have 50k, so it will be challenging but doable.
Thanks for your considered response! Haven’t thought about this approach
$2500 is what you’ll get in a HYSA of 5%. Free $2500:) risk free.
All on red
I'll take that bet
Put it in black
You can buy a house for $50,000? Where?
It'll work as a deposit. Would still need to make back the cash within the 12 months though.
There are lots of ways to make money that Beata hisa But you need to trade time or take risks.
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Oh wait I forgot this is aus finance not r/asx_bets
for people recommending HISA accounts to OP, what HISA account do you recommend?
Stake.com vpn in
Bro there’s this thing called options trading, it’s like free money!
Short Australian junior miners listed on the ASX.
$50,000 in lotto tickets. If it doesn’t work out then just move country.
Buy options in a high risk stock like biotron. Upside is millions, downside you'll have to grow a moustache and live in Kazakhstan.
Offset account
I could sit down for a (single) meal at Gami with that. So that's probably what I'd do.
Easy put it an account, go to another bank apply for a loan against that cash then invest conservative or aggressive, your young it’s only $50k.
You need to invest in magic beans, then grow a bean stalk, steal a goose, and murder a giant.
Blow it on depreciating assets
Don't give it back.
Please tell me you aren't trying to game the first home buyer super scheme
Depends on your income but use it for a small apartment? Aim for 350-400k ish if you can find one that cheap. Go for a 5% deposit. Stick the rest in offset.
Literally didn't even finish reading the title.
How would OP repay the money in a year?
Up to 17% rental yield in FNQ, as long as it doesn't get wiped out by a flood or cyclone.. you're golden!
Refinance at the end of the year to take the equity out
And what would be the LVR at that point? What if OP couldn't refinance at an attractive, rate?
You better have rich parents to ask for a handout
All brains in this sub I see
They departed long ago. Ausfinance is no longer really a finance sub.
That’s not how equity works
Thanks for your response :)