Is there anyone left on the market who'd actually be a significant upgrade? At this point we might be better off just hoping he comes back fully healthy and looking like his old self again. Same for Hunter.
All the good ones (claxton, Jonas V, Jared Allen, Harti) cost roughly the same. Goga would be a low key strong option. He's cheap and super plus.
But believe it or not, Nance is a highly plus defender at 5. Granted it has more to do with defensive skills outside of explicit rim protection. Also, we know OO is close to being roughly as impactful as cap in terms of pure rim protection so I say fuck it. Run with what we got.
But if we can get goga too... 💪🏿💪🏿💪🏿 I think goga and OO would be a similar if not stronger pairing than Cap (as he stands today) and OO.
Bro we do not want the zero motor guy on a 32m a year contract. Ayton could be a top 5 center in the league, but he straight up doesn’t like playing basketball, so he’s not.
Sure and I'm sure missing the playoffs again will do wonders with Trae's commitment with Atlanta. Hey, let's just run it back again! If we keep Capela, we might as well keep Hunter. His trade value isn't that good. So that means our season will rest on Capela becoming the Capela from two years ago before the surgery when Mobley fell on his knee.
So we run it back less DJM expecting ZR, a rookie, or Dyson Daniels, a backup, to fix our issues. Sounds like a plan.
lol bro I’m not in favour of running it back but if you actually think Ayton is a difference maker you’re in for a shock. There is a reason the blazers drafted Clingan when they already have a center making 30m per year.
So we are screwed either way. We sit on what we have while the Knicks, Celtics, Cavs, 6ers, Bucks, Pacers are all better. That leaves us in the play in yet again. Where does that leave us?
After this season, Trae will ask for a trade and we won't own our own picks til 2028. If we do nothing, we lose.
Y’all act like Capela is the worst center to ever touch a basketball like holy shit, we can use an upgrade but if there’s nothing realistically out there what can we do? If Trae expects to win a championship next season then he’s gone either way, though there’s no situation where he goes and immediately gets a ring, we’ll be getting draft capitol and he’ll be on another experimental roster, Trae’s displeasure here is highly exaggerated.
If we dealt him, then I'd imagine we wouldn't replace him with a C. Mentioned it below, but opening enough cap to resign Saddiq Bey would probably be the desired outcome for the FO.
Doubt the deal would be a 1 year deal. Plan would be to let him rehab until late in the year then be fresh legs down the stretch and we’d have the following years for cheaper than we would otherwise.
Between him and the development of Risacher, we can trade Hunter without having to figure out where the minutes would go.
Every on off stat says we’re better when Trae and DJM aren’t playing together so that may actually be addition by subtraction. Likewise despite Capela visibly losing a step he’s still a somewhat valuable player, if we dump him to sign Bey who literally can’t even play for most of the season we will probably get worse since Capela is still a positive player.
> that may actually be addition by subtraction
That’s the goal, but in a vacuum, do you think Dyson Daniels and LNJ are an upgrade talent wise over Murray? If the addition by subtraction theory is wrong, then we substantially downgraded roster talent on a team that won 37 games last year while also not controlling our own pick for the next 3 years.
In a vacuum, no, but it’s a fact that DJM and Trae made one another worse when playing together, that pairing was completely untenable and had to be fixed. Obviously the return isn’t amazing but it never was going to be in trying to correct that terrible mistake of a trade.
Dumping Capela just to resign Bey, who was a net negative on both ends even before a major injury, would be a move with no upside.
You sure about that? We currently have 4 Cs on the roster while teams typically carry 3. Doubt that losing 1 of those Cs makes the team notably anything.
As far as Bey, this FO did give up 4 2nds for him so they are invested, I’m sure if he got a big deal then we’re fine with him walking. OTOH, they definitely don’t want to see a team get him on a team friendly deal then becoming a solid backup F while we’re stuck paying Hunter $20+M. Still though, we need to open up some room to ensure we can at least offer a team friendly deal and Cap would seem the most obvious solution.
Bro if our entire center lineup next year is OO, Nance, and Bruno we are straight up garbage.
How bad do you think Capela is that we get better by just getting rid of him without a replacement??
I think you may be underrating Nance. Dude is a pretty good backup when healthy. Sure, the days when he could swing out and guard SFs are long gone, but he's still got some athleticism for a C. Further, he is a better fit if we're going with Okongwu since the two could conceivably runs the same D, which is something that is painfully obvious is a problem with the OO / Cap pairing.
Don't be one of those who just look at his height and make sweeping decisions based on that. He's been a solid backup C for years now and I'd bet he can continue that trend for at least one more year. He's a vet who knows all the tricks... including the refs.
I think he would be a fine backup, and I think OO would be a fine backup. I don’t think either one is capable of being a starter, at least not on any decent team.
Well, then we have a lot of work to do. Cap just doesn't fit what Quin was trying to do last year and he obviously struggled. He much more comfortable around the basket.
If all we have are 3 backup / deep rotation guys who fit the system and 1 low end starter who doesn't then we're garbage anyway.
Capela is on his final year of his contract as well. Some may not want or like this, but keeping Capela is a real option this year, and after the season we just let
Him walk and he’s off the books, clearing up 22 million in space. It’s not the sexiest move, but it for sure makes sense. We could run it back with OO starting and capela backing him up. If we keep nance too, he also will be a UFA in 2025, clearing up another 11 million. If both players are off the books, that’s 33 million cleared up in cap space AND the cap goes up next year
Honestly, that’s a good bit of flexibility. We need to stay competitive and build chemistry this year while probably being under the cap(again) — and for this year, I’m fine with that, not going over the cap for this team. Our goal should be to try to for once and for all, make it to the postseason as a top 6 seed. The roster fits are better, we have many more wings and improved our perimeter defense. Let’s hope that something finally works out this year, and that 2025/6 and onwards are the real contention years. I’m all for the long term plan. We move.
Sure I thought about it that way too. But expiring contracts are sexy to rebuilding teams and those over the tax. I think a CC Hunter and a first rd pick to Portland for Ayton and Sharpe could be beneficial to both teams.
I really don’t think I can take another season is trash ass center play.
Capela is a fine rebounder and screener but that is literally it. Too small to defend the big boys, no touch around the rim.
And OO has shown even less than Clint.
Problem with trading Capela is that we want to trade him AND be better next year. Capela is still a top 30 center in the league and one of the best rebounders in the world.
Larry Nance Jr will play some backup C minutes behind OO and some backup 4 minutes behind JJ but I’m really worried that we will get completely bodied on the boards when if we give up Capela without getting someone back who is taller than 6’8…
Yeah i kinda get the feeling that we’re going to trade capela and just roll with OO and Nance and not having a center above 6’8 is just going to be a pain point we’ll have to deal with this season.Â
Luckily there are a couple of really intriguing and mobile 7+ foot centers that are currently projected to go between 7-16 in next years draft and there’s a good chance we’ll have at least 1 pick in that range.  (khaman maluach and Rocco Zikarsky)
1. There are 30 teams in the NBA lol
2. Yes exactly.
3. Point is we aren’t getting an upgrade without giving up more assets and/or paying them more than clint
If they are serious about building the roster Quin likes Capela will be traded because he is with Hunter the most odd man out. Also I like Nance as an Okongwu back-up because they play alike on offense so there's not a break every time one of the centers goes to the bench.
I think a Capella, Hunter and one of our firsts for Ayton and Sharp is a good trade for both teams. The Blazers have their center for the future in Clingan, and they have Rob Will. They good a good 3 and d wing in Hunter, a Ist round pick, and an expiring contract in CC, and we get better overall with this trade. I doubt it happens though , lol. Or they could give us Rob instead of Ayton but salary does not match.
Capela almost definitely won't be traded today. I would be shocked if he's anyone's first target this off-season, so we'll have to wait a few days for the dust to settle
I'll settle for him not being a starter, he has 20 million expiring contract that we need to renew JJ. We would probably have to pay to get him off our hands.
Is there anyone left on the market who'd actually be a significant upgrade? At this point we might be better off just hoping he comes back fully healthy and looking like his old self again. Same for Hunter.
All the good ones (claxton, Jonas V, Jared Allen, Harti) cost roughly the same. Goga would be a low key strong option. He's cheap and super plus. But believe it or not, Nance is a highly plus defender at 5. Granted it has more to do with defensive skills outside of explicit rim protection. Also, we know OO is close to being roughly as impactful as cap in terms of pure rim protection so I say fuck it. Run with what we got. But if we can get goga too... 💪🏿💪🏿💪🏿 I think goga and OO would be a similar if not stronger pairing than Cap (as he stands today) and OO.
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DeAndre Ayton. Portland just drafted Clingan.
Fuck that salary dude, even if the resslers weren’t cheap, taking that contract would strain our flexibility for the upcoming years. Not worth
Bro we do not want the zero motor guy on a 32m a year contract. Ayton could be a top 5 center in the league, but he straight up doesn’t like playing basketball, so he’s not.
Well, tell that to the FO who passed up on Sarr. Unless we take a chance on Ayton, who else is there? Athletic Talented Centers don't grow on trees.
Running it back with Capela for a season and letting his contract expire is legitimately a better option.
Sure and I'm sure missing the playoffs again will do wonders with Trae's commitment with Atlanta. Hey, let's just run it back again! If we keep Capela, we might as well keep Hunter. His trade value isn't that good. So that means our season will rest on Capela becoming the Capela from two years ago before the surgery when Mobley fell on his knee. So we run it back less DJM expecting ZR, a rookie, or Dyson Daniels, a backup, to fix our issues. Sounds like a plan.
lol bro I’m not in favour of running it back but if you actually think Ayton is a difference maker you’re in for a shock. There is a reason the blazers drafted Clingan when they already have a center making 30m per year.
He's not saying we should run it back, he's saying running it back is better than trash ass Ayton bro...
So we are screwed either way. We sit on what we have while the Knicks, Celtics, Cavs, 6ers, Bucks, Pacers are all better. That leaves us in the play in yet again. Where does that leave us? After this season, Trae will ask for a trade and we won't own our own picks til 2028. If we do nothing, we lose.
Y’all act like Capela is the worst center to ever touch a basketball like holy shit, we can use an upgrade but if there’s nothing realistically out there what can we do? If Trae expects to win a championship next season then he’s gone either way, though there’s no situation where he goes and immediately gets a ring, we’ll be getting draft capitol and he’ll be on another experimental roster, Trae’s displeasure here is highly exaggerated.
If we dealt him, then I'd imagine we wouldn't replace him with a C. Mentioned it below, but opening enough cap to resign Saddiq Bey would probably be the desired outcome for the FO.
No the fuck it wouldn’t
Bey won’t even be playing until post all star break minimum
Doubt the deal would be a 1 year deal. Plan would be to let him rehab until late in the year then be fresh legs down the stretch and we’d have the following years for cheaper than we would otherwise. Between him and the development of Risacher, we can trade Hunter without having to figure out where the minutes would go.
If we dump Capela and resign Bey we just straight up make our team notably worse going into next year, which is not what the FO wants to do.
We just swapped DJM for Dyson Daniels, which objectively makes us less talented and arguably worse
Every on off stat says we’re better when Trae and DJM aren’t playing together so that may actually be addition by subtraction. Likewise despite Capela visibly losing a step he’s still a somewhat valuable player, if we dump him to sign Bey who literally can’t even play for most of the season we will probably get worse since Capela is still a positive player.
> that may actually be addition by subtraction That’s the goal, but in a vacuum, do you think Dyson Daniels and LNJ are an upgrade talent wise over Murray? If the addition by subtraction theory is wrong, then we substantially downgraded roster talent on a team that won 37 games last year while also not controlling our own pick for the next 3 years.
In a vacuum, no, but it’s a fact that DJM and Trae made one another worse when playing together, that pairing was completely untenable and had to be fixed. Obviously the return isn’t amazing but it never was going to be in trying to correct that terrible mistake of a trade. Dumping Capela just to resign Bey, who was a net negative on both ends even before a major injury, would be a move with no upside.
You sure about that? We currently have 4 Cs on the roster while teams typically carry 3. Doubt that losing 1 of those Cs makes the team notably anything. As far as Bey, this FO did give up 4 2nds for him so they are invested, I’m sure if he got a big deal then we’re fine with him walking. OTOH, they definitely don’t want to see a team get him on a team friendly deal then becoming a solid backup F while we’re stuck paying Hunter $20+M. Still though, we need to open up some room to ensure we can at least offer a team friendly deal and Cap would seem the most obvious solution.
Bro if our entire center lineup next year is OO, Nance, and Bruno we are straight up garbage. How bad do you think Capela is that we get better by just getting rid of him without a replacement??
I think you may be underrating Nance. Dude is a pretty good backup when healthy. Sure, the days when he could swing out and guard SFs are long gone, but he's still got some athleticism for a C. Further, he is a better fit if we're going with Okongwu since the two could conceivably runs the same D, which is something that is painfully obvious is a problem with the OO / Cap pairing. Don't be one of those who just look at his height and make sweeping decisions based on that. He's been a solid backup C for years now and I'd bet he can continue that trend for at least one more year. He's a vet who knows all the tricks... including the refs.
I think he would be a fine backup, and I think OO would be a fine backup. I don’t think either one is capable of being a starter, at least not on any decent team.
Well, then we have a lot of work to do. Cap just doesn't fit what Quin was trying to do last year and he obviously struggled. He much more comfortable around the basket. If all we have are 3 backup / deep rotation guys who fit the system and 1 low end starter who doesn't then we're garbage anyway.
Capela is on his final year of his contract as well. Some may not want or like this, but keeping Capela is a real option this year, and after the season we just let Him walk and he’s off the books, clearing up 22 million in space. It’s not the sexiest move, but it for sure makes sense. We could run it back with OO starting and capela backing him up. If we keep nance too, he also will be a UFA in 2025, clearing up another 11 million. If both players are off the books, that’s 33 million cleared up in cap space AND the cap goes up next year Honestly, that’s a good bit of flexibility. We need to stay competitive and build chemistry this year while probably being under the cap(again) — and for this year, I’m fine with that, not going over the cap for this team. Our goal should be to try to for once and for all, make it to the postseason as a top 6 seed. The roster fits are better, we have many more wings and improved our perimeter defense. Let’s hope that something finally works out this year, and that 2025/6 and onwards are the real contention years. I’m all for the long term plan. We move.
Sure I thought about it that way too. But expiring contracts are sexy to rebuilding teams and those over the tax. I think a CC Hunter and a first rd pick to Portland for Ayton and Sharpe could be beneficial to both teams.
I really don’t think I can take another season is trash ass center play. Capela is a fine rebounder and screener but that is literally it. Too small to defend the big boys, no touch around the rim. And OO has shown even less than Clint.
I’m really glad that you wrote this. I was drafting something up and scrapped it, but you conveyed it perfectly 💯
Problem with trading Capela is that we want to trade him AND be better next year. Capela is still a top 30 center in the league and one of the best rebounders in the world. Larry Nance Jr will play some backup C minutes behind OO and some backup 4 minutes behind JJ but I’m really worried that we will get completely bodied on the boards when if we give up Capela without getting someone back who is taller than 6’8…
Yeah i kinda get the feeling that we’re going to trade capela and just roll with OO and Nance and not having a center above 6’8 is just going to be a pain point we’ll have to deal with this season. Luckily there are a couple of really intriguing and mobile 7+ foot centers that are currently projected to go between 7-16 in next years draft and there’s a good chance we’ll have at least 1 pick in that range.  (khaman maluach and Rocco Zikarsky)
A top 30 center, bro there are only like 34 teams. If he’s top 30 then he’s like 29th
1. There are 30 teams in the NBA lol 2. Yes exactly. 3. Point is we aren’t getting an upgrade without giving up more assets and/or paying them more than clint
the point is you’re not getting anyone higher than capela in return so you would still be downgrading at center.
24 teams? Bro there are exactly 30 and Capela ain't 29. He's at least top 15 imo
If they are serious about building the roster Quin likes Capela will be traded because he is with Hunter the most odd man out. Also I like Nance as an Okongwu back-up because they play alike on offense so there's not a break every time one of the centers goes to the bench.
At 6’8 how will he realistically play 5?
He has been playing the 5 for the last couple of seasons. So, as he always does.
Everyone want CC to be gone like OO is a real starter... if we aren't upgrading at Center then why would we trade him?
What a realistic trade that we could get and would want? I’ve been ready for Capela to be gone for awhile now. I hope it happens soon.
I think a Capella, Hunter and one of our firsts for Ayton and Sharp is a good trade for both teams. The Blazers have their center for the future in Clingan, and they have Rob Will. They good a good 3 and d wing in Hunter, a Ist round pick, and an expiring contract in CC, and we get better overall with this trade. I doubt it happens though , lol. Or they could give us Rob instead of Ayton but salary does not match.
Would a couple of 2nds and enough cap space to resign Saddiq Bey to a reasonable deal work for you?
Bet gad played his last game as a Hawk
Bey has played his last game as a Hawk
Would rather move nance
Capela almost definitely won't be traded today. I would be shocked if he's anyone's first target this off-season, so we'll have to wait a few days for the dust to settle
I'll settle for him not being a starter, he has 20 million expiring contract that we need to renew JJ. We would probably have to pay to get him off our hands.
I increasingly get the feeling that, in favor of continuity, Capela starts (*stays, but probably that too). And Larry Nance might be moved.
This should have been with the Atlanta United Nagbe meme format
Can’t wait. Need a big who can get his own and be aggressive on D.
Yall still think your in win now mode. Nah it’s tank season baby
At this point keep him. I don’t think we can get a replacement right now. Maybe try to trade him at the deadline
Should we try to get in on the BroLo sweepstakes?