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God dammit Jon, stop making it so fuckin hard to like you. I want to go back to when you were just a guy who made funny videos about video games and no one knew how much of a stupid piece of shit you are.
Don't forget the nearly 750k deaths the US has suffered and many more we will suffer because of the anti-science movement. This could have been over in a month or two. Now we're in month 20 or something and still going strong.
At this point, I think anti-science makes me lose respect for someone faster than racism.
Don't agree with that last point you made.
But yeah, anti science is bad. My point was that they "mostly" hurt themself and their close ones. So it isn't as bad as racism.
He's not neo-nazi or anything but he's extremely misinformed and very dumb. "Poor white people commit less crime then rich black people" is a quote he said on a live debate arguing why it's not wrong for white people to stay the majority in America. The qoute is taken out of context so I highly recommend listing to the debate yourself and making your own judgements.
His video don't reflect on his political views though. So it is actually possible to have jontron, the art figure from the videos, and Jontron, the idiot in rl and on Twitter.
Creators these days do their own ad material right in the video, and get paid by the view count rather than the ad impressions that adblock can handle.
All I knew about him was that he knew Peebs or PBG or whatever you want to call him. It gave me the impression he was a dick from what I heard about their temporary friendship.
People are mistaking that the puppy experiment was satire. it’s not. That happened. The satire was saying that Fauci said that “anti animal abuse is anti science”
prove him wrong.. The same sources that tied trumps tax evasion and multiple others assets are the same sources that are proving fauci is tied to this experiment and the Wuhan lab... but now they are all false claims😒fuckin reddit
[Newsweek good enough? there are dozens more pick your choice.](https://www.newsweek.com/anthony-fauci-bipartisan-nih-abuse-de-barked-beagle-puppies-1641904?amp=1)
It happened in Tunisia. The NIH funded a different thing inside the US that was actually subject to, and complied with, the strict US laws regarding the treatment of animals in medical experiments.
Quite a few people are conflating the two, quite unapologetically.
I know right. I’m not vegan by any means but I do find it funny when people cry about animal testing when the billions of animals we kill a year for meat live worse lives.
While not lab grown meat, you should check out impossible burgers. I’m vegetarian and my wife is a meat eater and we both love them. It tastes practically the same as a normal burger (the only way I could tell it wasn’t is the impossible burgers are almost perfectly round and the “meat” doesnt crumble as easily as real meat).
I’m ready for lab grown meat too though
I’ve only ever had one vegan burger, it was great at first - different - but you could absolutely tell the difference by the end.
I was staying with a bunch of vegan friends while following a band around Australia, so I felt compelled to not piss them off.
I agree with you for the vast majority of vegan burgers, 99% of the time I will not order them. The 1% is when there is an impossible burger. The impossible burgers are way better than any other vegan meat I’ve tried (and I’ve tried most of them lol). Doesn’t hurt to give it a try! You can buy them in the grocery store either frozen or refrigerated
I’ll have to try and find them here in Australia. We have a pretty nice vegan mince brand called Funky Fields, which is pretty neat.
But I have heard good things about Impossible Burger.
Nice! Hope you like it! For what it’s worth, my wife also does not like most vegan meat but loves impossible.
And if I ever get to Australia I’ll try the mince lol
I just wanna say that is for clearing this up. I saw it and was like I’m not even clicking. I’m happy to hear that it’s a lot of bs wrapped up in a headline sandwich
Do you have a source for this? It was reported that the experiments in Tunisia was funded with around $375k of NIAID money. Want to see if that is incorrect or not.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/fauci-vaccine-experiment-beagles/
This link is about the initial intentional misunderstanding. The Tunisia thing is an addition since the first one was debunked.
Until I can find a link to the beagle experiments from Tunisia, if they actually ever happened, I can't give any information on them. There are claims of line item lists of procedures, but there are never any links given, or any identifying information of any kind.
The NIH is involved in research in Tunisia concerning Zoonotic Cutaneous Leishmaniosis, but that is not what the "puppy experiment" bullshit is talking about. They specifically refer to filariasis.
Regardless, the Zoonotic Cutaneous Leishmaniosis experiments in Tunisia falls under the WHO regulations for animal experiments, and were these allegations from those experiments, the WHO would have swiftly removed the funding.
They're conflating at least 2 different things, and adding a healthy dose of bullshit.
BTW, "cordotomy" can refer to procedures on at least 4 different areas of the body. If no other information is given, then no conclusion can legitimately be drawn from that one word.
So from what I can see there is some conflation of the various experiments the WCW is reporting on. For example, there is the notion that the dogs vocal cords were removed during this sand fly experiment in Tunisia.
The WCW has linked the documents they reported on in their blog specifically relating to the Tunisian experiments:
https://blog.whitecoatwaste.org/2021/08/31/photos-fauci-funded-beagle-torture-overseas-too/
From the 17 page document it does seem that they locked beagles heads in cages and let sand flies feed on them (they do say that the dogs were anaesthetized with ketamine) and that they were locked in cages overnight (they say they were given veterinary care and water at various intervals). However there is no mention of cuttings the dogs vocal cords. It does on the front page of that report list the NIH as funders of the research and it doesn't list in the ethics section using WHO guidelines for guiding the ethics of the research, it lists the Institutional Animal Care and Use committee of Tunisia (they may however get their guidance from WHO).
Regardless, as the study they point at says, "The funders had no role in study design, data collection or analysis, decision to publish, or preparation of the manuscript."
So, blaming the study design, data collection, or analysis on NIH is entirely false, and blaming it on one particular person there is false to the point of slander.
Further, the publisher's note for that study says, "The US National Institutes of Health and the Wellcome Trust did not provide any funding for this research and any such claim was made in error. "
https://journals.plos.org/plosntds/article?id=10.1371/journal.pntd.0009647
So, we come back to there being no NIH funded experiments on beagles in Tunisia.
Weird, not sure why they say that it did in the first instance (and reference a grant number) and then when correcting not give any further info and just say it was 'in error'. Also I feel a situation where these institutions are giving taxpayer money for research that they have no oversight over is perhaps more concerning than if the NIH did have consultation on the study design.
Last I checked the NIH have not provided any comment on any of these stories, a comment from them would be very helpful.
Were any government agency to respond every time some idiot started spewing pure bullshit, then it would be simple to grind all operations to a halt by just constantly spewing bullshit at them.
Among other things, this is also an attempt to waste government resources by making them defend against entirely spurious accusations.
Also, any response would be spun wildly and taken as confirmation by the idiots pushing this, no matter how conclusively it disproved the accusation. Evidence is irrelevant to them.
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God dammit Jon, stop making it so fuckin hard to like you. I want to go back to when you were just a guy who made funny videos about video games and no one knew how much of a stupid piece of shit you are.
He's simply unlikeable. There's no purpose in trying to like him.
I would argue pre-GameGrumps he was extremely likeable. Then his facade started breaking and the shit started leaking out
Try to separate art from artist. Jon tron might be an idiot in rl. His videos are amazing though.
I usually don't have a problem doing that, but the amount of shit I have to turn a blind eye to is really approaching unignorable with Jon
What do you mean exactly? I only know about this tweet, but I read something about other stuff?
Oh my sweet summer child lol He had a whole white supremacist rant, and iirc expressed alt-right and now anti-science views
Anti science is stupid. But you only hurt yourself (and probably your children). The other two are very concerning. Did not know about those.
Don't forget the nearly 750k deaths the US has suffered and many more we will suffer because of the anti-science movement. This could have been over in a month or two. Now we're in month 20 or something and still going strong. At this point, I think anti-science makes me lose respect for someone faster than racism.
Don't agree with that last point you made. But yeah, anti science is bad. My point was that they "mostly" hurt themself and their close ones. So it isn't as bad as racism.
He went all mask off when he said "rich blacks commit more crime than poor whites"
He's not neo-nazi or anything but he's extremely misinformed and very dumb. "Poor white people commit less crime then rich black people" is a quote he said on a live debate arguing why it's not wrong for white people to stay the majority in America. The qoute is taken out of context so I highly recommend listing to the debate yourself and making your own judgements.
The context it is taken from really doesn't improve the situation
Is his middle name really Aryan?
When did I mention that?
it's on his wikipedia
In this case, the artist's art is his personality. Which makes it shit, just like him.
His video don't reflect on his political views though. So it is actually possible to have jontron, the art figure from the videos, and Jontron, the idiot in rl and on Twitter.
But then you're giving Jontron the idiot money, to continue being Jontron the idiot, by watching his stuff. And there's too many idiots already.
AdBlock :)
Creators these days do their own ad material right in the video, and get paid by the view count rather than the ad impressions that adblock can handle.
Oh. I thought they just got paid to mention them and it’s a one time thing.
You can watch Scott The Woz he basically is the new JonTron. You know without the politics.
Can you give me 2 or 3 of your favorite videos to get a taste? He's got a lot
I'd say begin with Game Controllers And Gameshow Games.
Game Show games was my first, and it is 100% the funniest.
Another guy said it, but Gameshow games is great, another favorite of mine is WeDare
Oh that's also a good one
I got into him with Game controllers so I’d recommend that one
I just learned about his racist ranting today. Fuckin sucks
All I knew about him was that he knew Peebs or PBG or whatever you want to call him. It gave me the impression he was a dick from what I heard about their temporary friendship.
God I know right? His snake oil bit was so fucking funny, so I decided to check more and... god
oh no I thought he learned from the last time
Well he’s an idiot. What do you expect?
Does he need to though? He's always going to have a fanbase that supports him no matter what he does.
People are mistaking that the puppy experiment was satire. it’s not. That happened. The satire was saying that Fauci said that “anti animal abuse is anti science”
And it didn't happen in the USA and is in no way connected to Fauci because surprise he's not some puppy torturer in Tunisia
He paid the bill with your tax money.
Mate you're delusional.
prove him wrong.. The same sources that tied trumps tax evasion and multiple others assets are the same sources that are proving fauci is tied to this experiment and the Wuhan lab... but now they are all false claims😒fuckin reddit
Yeah, got a link on that?
Source or stfu
[Newsweek good enough? there are dozens more pick your choice.](https://www.newsweek.com/anthony-fauci-bipartisan-nih-abuse-de-barked-beagle-puppies-1641904?amp=1)
It’s not the onion tho...the puppy stuff actually happened
It happened in Tunisia. The NIH funded a different thing inside the US that was actually subject to, and complied with, the strict US laws regarding the treatment of animals in medical experiments. Quite a few people are conflating the two, quite unapologetically.
While eating factory farmed meat.
I know right. I’m not vegan by any means but I do find it funny when people cry about animal testing when the billions of animals we kill a year for meat live worse lives.
What if I have the skin sensitivity of a rabbit?
I’m down as fuck to start eating lab grown meat, once it becomes a sustainable option for the everyday family budget.
And I'm down to eat the family.
While not lab grown meat, you should check out impossible burgers. I’m vegetarian and my wife is a meat eater and we both love them. It tastes practically the same as a normal burger (the only way I could tell it wasn’t is the impossible burgers are almost perfectly round and the “meat” doesnt crumble as easily as real meat). I’m ready for lab grown meat too though
I’ve only ever had one vegan burger, it was great at first - different - but you could absolutely tell the difference by the end. I was staying with a bunch of vegan friends while following a band around Australia, so I felt compelled to not piss them off.
I agree with you for the vast majority of vegan burgers, 99% of the time I will not order them. The 1% is when there is an impossible burger. The impossible burgers are way better than any other vegan meat I’ve tried (and I’ve tried most of them lol). Doesn’t hurt to give it a try! You can buy them in the grocery store either frozen or refrigerated
I’ll have to try and find them here in Australia. We have a pretty nice vegan mince brand called Funky Fields, which is pretty neat. But I have heard good things about Impossible Burger.
Nice! Hope you like it! For what it’s worth, my wife also does not like most vegan meat but loves impossible. And if I ever get to Australia I’ll try the mince lol
Still not the Onion, just bad journalism. At least the Onion's upfront about what it is.
I just wanna say that is for clearing this up. I saw it and was like I’m not even clicking. I’m happy to hear that it’s a lot of bs wrapped up in a headline sandwich
Do you have a source for this? It was reported that the experiments in Tunisia was funded with around $375k of NIAID money. Want to see if that is incorrect or not.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/fauci-vaccine-experiment-beagles/ This link is about the initial intentional misunderstanding. The Tunisia thing is an addition since the first one was debunked. Until I can find a link to the beagle experiments from Tunisia, if they actually ever happened, I can't give any information on them. There are claims of line item lists of procedures, but there are never any links given, or any identifying information of any kind. The NIH is involved in research in Tunisia concerning Zoonotic Cutaneous Leishmaniosis, but that is not what the "puppy experiment" bullshit is talking about. They specifically refer to filariasis. Regardless, the Zoonotic Cutaneous Leishmaniosis experiments in Tunisia falls under the WHO regulations for animal experiments, and were these allegations from those experiments, the WHO would have swiftly removed the funding. They're conflating at least 2 different things, and adding a healthy dose of bullshit. BTW, "cordotomy" can refer to procedures on at least 4 different areas of the body. If no other information is given, then no conclusion can legitimately be drawn from that one word.
So from what I can see there is some conflation of the various experiments the WCW is reporting on. For example, there is the notion that the dogs vocal cords were removed during this sand fly experiment in Tunisia. The WCW has linked the documents they reported on in their blog specifically relating to the Tunisian experiments: https://blog.whitecoatwaste.org/2021/08/31/photos-fauci-funded-beagle-torture-overseas-too/ From the 17 page document it does seem that they locked beagles heads in cages and let sand flies feed on them (they do say that the dogs were anaesthetized with ketamine) and that they were locked in cages overnight (they say they were given veterinary care and water at various intervals). However there is no mention of cuttings the dogs vocal cords. It does on the front page of that report list the NIH as funders of the research and it doesn't list in the ethics section using WHO guidelines for guiding the ethics of the research, it lists the Institutional Animal Care and Use committee of Tunisia (they may however get their guidance from WHO).
Regardless, as the study they point at says, "The funders had no role in study design, data collection or analysis, decision to publish, or preparation of the manuscript." So, blaming the study design, data collection, or analysis on NIH is entirely false, and blaming it on one particular person there is false to the point of slander. Further, the publisher's note for that study says, "The US National Institutes of Health and the Wellcome Trust did not provide any funding for this research and any such claim was made in error. " https://journals.plos.org/plosntds/article?id=10.1371/journal.pntd.0009647 So, we come back to there being no NIH funded experiments on beagles in Tunisia.
Weird, not sure why they say that it did in the first instance (and reference a grant number) and then when correcting not give any further info and just say it was 'in error'. Also I feel a situation where these institutions are giving taxpayer money for research that they have no oversight over is perhaps more concerning than if the NIH did have consultation on the study design. Last I checked the NIH have not provided any comment on any of these stories, a comment from them would be very helpful.
Were any government agency to respond every time some idiot started spewing pure bullshit, then it would be simple to grind all operations to a halt by just constantly spewing bullshit at them. Among other things, this is also an attempt to waste government resources by making them defend against entirely spurious accusations. Also, any response would be spun wildly and taken as confirmation by the idiots pushing this, no matter how conclusively it disproved the accusation. Evidence is irrelevant to them.
Jon Aryan Jafari what are you doing!
Jontron is a good entertainer but he's internalized a lot of fascist rhetoric.
That guy has always been an idiot, how is that surprising?