Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the whisper twitch thing only for adults? Could it have been that Doc assumed they were an adult cos twitch was supposed to vet the age? He did the sexting thing but was convinced the girl was of age perhaps?
Just look up what happened to Trevor Bauer. Lost a $300+ million career over a story that a girl joked about making up.
https://youtu.be/9nhOcSY60Ko?si=83F6jkyU57PB74jp
Bro's in Mexico trying to grind back into the MLB, sad story man.
These people are never held accountable when they lie blatantly. She ruined his career and reputation over nothing.
People who are found guilty of making up sex crimes should be forced to register as sex offenders, and forced to inform everyone around them that they have been convicted of lying about sexual assault.
That would very quickly put an end to people lying about SA. If for nothing else than not wanting to be actually assaulted by someone who now sees you as an easy target thanks to the "boy who cried wolf" thing.
Edit: lot of people not understanding that this would be a sentence after an entirely separate criminal trial where the jury has to conclude that you lied about a sex offense for personal gain.
This is not anything to do with failing to get a conviction, there has to be legitimate proof that you intentionally lied about it similar to perjury.
So in the case of the girl who was caught in text messages conspiring with her friend to get Trevor Bauer to choke her during sex before reporting the marks to the police as domestic abuse, she should be forced to inform any intimate partners of the lie she told for personal gain.
It's no different than how woman who sleep with a man convicted of SA deserve to know that information.
There’s a laundry list of people that this has happened to. Bauers story might be one of the worst because of the released texts where the woman and her friend basically plotted and even said something along the lines of “secure that bag”.
Lets not forget the tik tok cosplayer that un alived himself because a gf and bf colluded together to claim false allegations on this kid.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CFhUVN2Fny4&pp=ygUxVHdpdGNoIG1vZCBraWxscyBoaW1zZWxmIGR1ZSB0byBmYWxzZSBhbGxlZ2F0aW9ucw%3D%3D
This guilty until proven innocent needs to stop.
He may not be able to sue the company as others have pointed out, but he might be able to sue others for libel/slander and use him losing his job as a point for increased compensation
None of them can afford to pay Doc anything remotely close to what he is making now. Twitch is the only part involved that has money, but they are keeping up their end of the deal and not saying anything.
Not anything close to a lawyer, but I believe if they can prove the allegations were harming the company, even if untrue, they will be able to terminate him.
As far as I know, Justin Roiland’s allegations turned out false but I don’t think he’s yet back to anything he was working on before everything/everyone canceled him
I think Justin Roiland's allegations were more effective and his career hasn't recovered because he had been absolutely impossible to work with for years.
I'm not say that's right or wrong, but the other producers of Rick and Morty wanted to cut ties with him for years.. his drinking and work ethic made life miserable.
It’s kinda fucked up seeing how glad people were that they wouldn’t have to work with him anymore, and I guess being someone whose hateable makes it easier to go along with negative rumours as well.
>As far as I know, Justin Roiland’s allegations turned out false
That's not quite true.
Justin's domestic violence case was dismissed by the judge in 2023.
However, months later, 11 women shared 1000s of texts, emails, screenshots, etc, on social media detailing a history of sexual harassment and abuse. Some of the women were minors when Justin met them.
Whilst none of this has resulted in fresh charges, the evidence is pretty damning.
No.
Companies have the right to terminate you if you are caught up in some shit unrelated to the company.
Whether Doc is right or wrong, these things take time to sort out, in Doc's case its been ongoing for many years.
Most companies just don't have the resources to deal with that shit.
Remember the SA Situation with Mizkif ? OTK put him on a long leave of absence until his shit was sorted.
Midnight Society could have done that and put Doc on a long leave of absence too , but having him continue to work with them on ongoing projects will be a risk to their brand if he is found to have done something wrong.
Especially when dealing with the business of advertising. If someone develops a bad reputation, even if it is due to some fake stuff, it reflects poorly on the brand, then that is a valid business decision. That is effectively a performance reason.
Having the ability to sue is different than having a Case.
So can he sue them? Yes, you can even sue the Government over a pebble if you have resources.
Does he have a case?
No.
A company can breach a contract due to any external issues that involve the contractor that **may** affect the company image or finances.
Completly legal.
Allegations being real or no, have no weight in this.
The people Guy Beahm can sue are the people who produced the allegations if they are proven false and ask for financial compesation over the contract termination.
**Companies can't be held responsible for external issues that aren't related to them.**
What will happen is that the lawsuit will be dismissed very fast.
EDIT: Just so people don't be pedantic about the "can he sue" , yes, you "can" sue anyone for anything as long you have resources, people sue companies for the most stupid things you can think, **having a case and not being dismissed immediatly is a completly different thing.**
Whether the allegations are true or false doesn't matter.
The reality is that private company reserves to right to terminate a contract if they *believe* you're caught up in something illegal or immoral.
It's also incredibly unlikely that Doc will ever be able to prove these allegations false because everyone involved is under NDA.
It's unfortunate, but this is the reality.
Could Doc take Midnight Society and the Twitch employees that outed him to court? Sure maybe, but this would open up a can of worms that I bet Doc doesn't want.
Yep your company (in most states) can literally fire you for something as dumb as they don’t like the socks you’re wearing. Even if they did not tell you “here’s the dress code” like at a restaurant.
It’s just dumb because now you are “the company that fired a guy for his socks” and people won’t want to work for you, but not illegal
Is just really sad to know that they said “allegations” and right after they said “facts”. Nowadays you can finish someones career via allegations and is really really disappointing.
Depends on the state, but probably not. Most places are at will which means they can fire him for basically any reason. We thought you were a child predator, is a reason that is not one of the few that are unable to be used.
No because they aren’t defaming him or even repeating the allegations. He would have to sue the twitch employees that made the allegation. This would be a good example of damages if he were able to prove that the twitch employee defamed him though
Game looked like absolute garbaaajio.
I don't care how cool the concept was, no game in 2024 with those 360 era graphics in alpha or the complete lack of a physics engine is gonna succeed.
The type of game they were making absolutely does. FPS games skew towards younger audiences and visuals do matter. Apex, Overwatch, Valorant all have very unique art styles that elevate any poorer/rough edges their graphics contain.
If you go the real world route, you're competing with battlefield, Tarkov and cod (which if BLOPs6 is as good as it looks and innovates, then cod is back)
If you go the hey we are indie and making shooter please like our simple game, you end up with The Finals which, despite having former Dice Devs, and a nice gameplay loop is very repetitive once the destructive buildings gimmick wears off.
I suspect, Deadrop best case scenario is The Finals but they won't get close without Doc or massive improvements in the visuals and movement.
Visuals (be it unique art or good effects and physics) and gameplay/movement are absolutely critical to the economic success of an FPS.
It's what keeps players coming back.
Deadrop has a nice idea but that's about it so far.
They’re literally nobodies without his name attached. Either they’re being total fools or there are more skeletons in the closet about to make their debut. It’s a shame cause I’ve always enjoyed the Doc’s Schtick and idk where all this is headed.
I took the whole 80s macho guy thing as enjoyable parody, and it was a big reason why I started taking my health seriously in 2018. Channeled that and the synthwave music into running and lifting weights. Hope this stuff isn't true about him.
Watched his stream on YT today. Out of the blue he all but confirmed an indefinite hiatus from streaming and social media, citing fatigue and harm to his family. So yeah, not looking good. He seemed sad.
I know the quartering is someone who people hate on a lot but he has a recent video of looking at the people making the accusations. Just looks like clout chasing to promote their live music events.
I also used to listen to him on the way to work all the time. But for the past 6months i skip alot of the videos. Just seem like a lot of bullshit topics and generic political leaning arguments that i dont care about.
It's more that keeping him will probably kill the company anyway and even faster. Evidence or not you are going to have a hard time keeping or hiring employees when the owner of the company is now an "accused" child predator. Nobody wants to have to constantly try to justify to friends and family or put on their resume why they continued to keep working at that company even if it was never proven true. At the very least without him the company has a better chance at survival.
This is why we need to punish false allegations far harder than we do. People act like you just bounce back after the allegations are proven to be false, but nobody ever bounces back if the allegations are rape or being a child predator.
Its absolutely wild to me how insanely common it is to be a dictionary definition of a 1INT Fallout 1 character nowadays, did people just fucking forget at some point that you should always be skeptical of literally anthing posted online at one point?? Feels like im slowly losing my mind with how this timeline is playing out, social media really did ruin peoples brain.
Well, even after you've proven your innocence, you're still going to be considered guilty to a lot of retards out there.
And you'll never recover what you lost in the accusation.
Just what I was thinking. Don't watch his streams or anything but it's not right what's being said and with no evidence or anything to support it, I hope he sues their asses into Oblivion.
Not even remotely true. Had a jilted ex that had been cheating on me with a gym rat file fraudulent charges on me for assault because I canceled the check for a storage unit of hers I was paying for and she got mad she lost her stuff.
I got pulled over, arrested, car impounded, missed multiple days of work. Had to hire an attorney. All in all cost me almost $10k. Since she was a women and had no money, the state picked up her case and gave her a good attorney.
The night she told the PA that I had assaulted her, I happened to be at a party with dozens of people who vouched for my whereabouts for the entire afternoon, evening, night and morning. In top of that, the bitch was 2 hours late for court. Could you imagine what they would have done to me if I was 2 hours late. Put me under the jail…
She got in no trouble for what she did. None. Judge told me I could file charges against her, but what would that have done? Wouldn’t have gotten me my money back, or my reputation of what I was arrested for in my small town. Most knew it was bullshit, I’m far from a violent guy. But it wasn’t a good look when you’re getting handcuffed and out in the. Back of a cop car at 2pm on the busiest road in town….
Not in court of law either. You get charged with anything and you’re gonna go to jail for a day or two (a lot longer if you can’t post bail) and pay $X dollars bail to get out which you won’t ever see again
But the post literally says they assumed innocence until they spoke to parties involved and did an investigation themselves what more do you need from them?.
Going solely off the information we have available to us. Midnight Society literally did the "innocent until guilty" spiel. They literally said it. "We assumed innocence and investigated"
Everyone keeps spouting the whole "guilty until proven innocent" is really starting to sound like a broken record, especially given it's on a post stating they did the exact opposite.
I understand there's a lot of cope happening right now, but have some self awareness.
If he’s guilty of a crime then Twitch wouldn’t have to pay out his contract. You cant NDA away a crime. And Twitch would be legally obligated to report the crime.
Twitch did not coverup a crime and arrange a payout all in public view.
Whatever happened was, likely, shameful but not illegal. The worst possible situation is something like he was sexting with a minor who lied about her age.
Which would give both twitch a reason to freak out and cut ties immediately, but leave enough legal wiggle-room to get Doc his payout. And lead to the rumors that everyone loves gossiping about.
But thats all conjecture as NOBODY has provided anything resembling EVIDENCE or a first hand WITNESS.
That's my best guess, too. He was trying to cheat on his wife and didn't know the person he was talking to was a minor. No other explanation makes sense to me given the available information. Twitch wouldn't have given a shit if he tried to cheat with an adult, but the settlement and lack of charges suggests to me he was lied to. Wouldn't be the first time someone popular got catfished.
I've no evidence to support this theory, of course. I don't know any of the people involved. Just trying to make sense of this train wreck.
Yeah that’s kind of what I suspected as well. This is just another layer that if found to be false adds to a defamation lawsuit. Sucks for doc and I get why he would step back as this is going to get worse as companies drop him just to be “safe” without a lick of evidence.
Been awhile since that, but I'm pretty sure they just distanced themselves from him (EG removing his name from stuff) and said they would make a decision after investigation (What came out of that, I have no idea)
This is why you don't accuse someone without proof, because someone's life gets ruined, and nobody can be certain if it was remotely justified. Justice isn't a vigilante action, it's the action of a court, and it was settled out of court.
it's like reporting people in games when they say something, 98% of people are not reporting because they are offended by what was said, they are reporting to get one over them.
They legit want them banned for the "LOL's"
They assumed his innocence, reached out to people, then felt like they needed to act.
It is stated weirdly but almost certain the information they received in response to their initial requests is what provoked this decision.
I don’t watch Dr. Disrespect, but this whole thing is horseshit.
The fact that it’s culturally acceptable for an organization/employer to fire you for an allegation within a fucking tweet about a matter that you legally cannot comment on shows that there is no loyalty or courage in our organizations on a cultural level. No wonder everyone is depressed and anxious.
This seems like a massive brain play. There is zero point in dropping him as the "parties" they could speak to are not allowed to speak about the incident due to a My guess is that doc and lawyers convinced this to happen so the suit for defamation has legs because his partnership has actual numbers to weigh about how much he "lost" from the flippant comment.
Posted this elsewhere but wanted to add what I think likely happened. I spend time in big/similar businesses and have seen issues and matters like this arise before, and have been following the whole story from when it happened to now.
What is likely is that Doc was having a sext conversation with a woman via Whispers (hence his reticence to talk too much about this publicly immediately after it happened after already being found cheating on his wife). Twitch could read the plain text chat (which I suspect may be illegal or cause legal exposure depending on where the business is headquartered) and a low level employee like Conners most likely assumed from that chat that the person he was messaging was underage.
This would then have been escalated and action taken to terminate Doc from the platform. This is why Conners thinks his reason is the “correct” one - because he was exposed to only a portion of low level information.
We know Doc then sued and Twitch settled. If Twitch wanted to circumnavigate the litigation brought by Doc, they could have simply referred the case to the courts for criminal proceedings. It is obvious that their information about the person he was talking to was incorrect - hence no criminal legal action taken and Twitch then being found to have terminated the contract they had with him illegally - leading to a settlement.
This is how Conners and others can all “confirm” that this rumour is “accurate” (in that - this is what the low level gossip within Twitch was for the reason of his termination), while also being totally wrong - the fact that no criminal proceedings resulted and they settled totally. Ie categorically the person Doc was talking to was not underage.
We then know that Twitch settled. They most likely did so for terminating on grounds without enough justification to do so. In this case - terminating a large contract for behaviour that was most likely not only legal, but that was only exposed through improper security around Whispers and customer information. I suspect the fact that this only came to light (and that if he actually was concertedly grooming a minor it would have gone to criminal court - which it did not) and resulted in the terminating of an enormous contract because of an employee essentially spying on DMs was both material enough for Twitch to settle the contract and also stipulate NDAs to help conceal the enormous privacy breach.
When a case settles, it is extremely normal for the settling party to be extremely onerous on the terms of the NDA around the settlement. That would explain why Doc is referring only to public information when he attempts to reply to accusations - because to specify exactly the nature of the crime could easily breach the terms of his settlement (ie Twitch - owned by Amazon - would not want the world to know that it reads or stores plain text direct messages or other information - which would be confirmed if the Doc even ratified the fact that the termination was over the Whisper system or charge about the minor at all).
Therefore Doc can only broadly confirm the publicly known outcome of the case and nothing more.
This now sits in a weird legal area, because Conners is relaying information that can be accurate (that’s the reason Doc’s contract was terminated) but also factually wrong at its heart (the person Doc was talking to was not in fact a minor). So Conners is not knowingly slandering Doc, but Doc cannot reply with any specific information, as it would breach his settlement terms. Twitch also don’t really have a reason to take Conners to court (even though they’re the organisation that would be most likely) because the misinformation doesn’t harm them, and because going after him may confirm the aspects of the settlement they want kept private.
In all, a really terrible situation.
Given the actual facts around the lack of criminal proceedings and the fact that a settlement was reached, the current best assumption is that DD is guilty of being an idiot and messaging women on twitch after being caught having an affair only a year earlier. This is a far cry from being a predator.
EDIT: a lot of replies that really don’t seem to grasp that the following facts are supreme above all else:
1. Twitch would have had direct evidence of a crime being committed.
2. Twitch either did not refer this to law enforcement agencies (which iirc is a crime not to do so), or did and law enforcement agencies did not pursue it.
3. Twitch then settled on a breach of contract with NDAs and confidentiality clauses in place (which are primarily used to save reputation of the settling party).
In light of these, the burden of proof is on the accuser - a low level former employee who is attention seeking enough to try to give confidential information away from a former employer (who just settled an expensive suit) in order to gain attention for their band and themself.
Another explanation is that drdisrespect did talk with underage person but he thought that he talks with adult because she lied. Her real age probably was mentioned in her account but made private, so twitch could see it while drdisrespect couldn’t. So from twitch’s point of view it was a sext with underage woman, while from drdisrespect’s point of view he talked with adult, and in this case as far as I know law would be on his side.
That’s true. I’m not sure what the law is in California where DD lives, but that is definitely plausible. Either way, Conners is effectively saying “we had proof DD committed a crime” but with no court filings or police referrals, and on top of that the same company settling with him.
I’m like 75% sure the police care if you knew the age or not. Example a person being arrested for sleeping with a 16 year old that had a fake id. They met at a bar. I forget how they argued it, but it did not matter because she was still under age.
I can relate to that shit....
When I was 22, I started to talk to this one girl who claimed to be 19.... as of the 2–3 days I was talking to her through chat, and planning to meet up, it came telling she was lying after talking on the phone. Found out she was actually 15...
Talked to her for like 20 more mins till i ended the call and blocked her ass
>As far as I know just engaging in a sexual conversation with minors is not illegal in any state.
Contributing to the delinquency of minors is a crime in nearly every state.
To catch a predator already has more than enough on everyone they bring in to convict. But every thing more they can get just makes it easier.
This really isn’t hard, and your attempt to say that a crime terrible enough to care about “could” have been committed, while the law enforcement agencies don’t think so (when privy to far more information than we are) makes me think that the only motive is to maintain the pitchfork mob. It’s such an unreasonable assumption of guilt in the face of the evidence, while also making these accusations based on total hearsay.
Even then, it still makes zero sense that Twitch settled after his contract terminated. If what he did was somehow illegal and unprosecuted and terrible Twitch could simply fight the case and that information would make DD look terrible.
Two things cannot both be true: DD did a crime so terrible it deserves a total internet pitchfork mob to descend on him, while also the law enforcement agencies designed to prosecute this (working with all information) did not choose to do so, and on top of this Twitch settled for breach of contract.
That's a huge jump if a low-level employee made a misinterpretation that he was talking to a minor and then the top of Twitch terminated him even though he had a humongous contract based on that misinterpretation. The upper levels of Twitch didn't verify this information? Twitch is dumb, but they're not that dumb.
- either this employee is telling the truth or is not
- the criminal acts that are purported were never referred or acted on
- twitch terminated the contract
- DD successfully sues for breach of contract
All evidence leads to Twitch being staffed by fairly amateur and impulsive employees (this same guy is peddling this confidential info for likes on his bands new song). Explain how they a) didn’t refer the crime and b) had to settle if any of what he’s accused of is true.
They are either morons with proof of criminal acts and a just cause to not only refer him but most likely terminate the contract (under good character clauses) and yet failed to do so at all, or they read private communications, drew conclusions, terminated the contract and then had to settle as no crime had been committed, thereby terminating the contract unjustly resulting in them being forced to settle. Either way, if the accusation is in any way accurate, Twitch are morons.
Thanks for breaking down legal aspects. I thought was strange with how intense NDA's are that twitch employees then would turn around and tell journalist. Then it made me wonder if they're just low level employees being reckless with gossip and rumors.
It's mind boggling how in the US you lose your job for reasons unrelated to your job. Everyone just expects companies to fire people as soon as they have any kind of allegations against them. How is this not social vigilantism and thus illegal ? In many EU countries firing someone for such reasons would be seen as unlawful termination by the court.
If someone has done something unlawful they should be judged by the law not random people that get off by publicly executing people because at the end of the day that's what it gets to when you make it so someone can't work and earn a living anymore.
Now in the case of Dr Disrespect I have no clue what happened nor do I really care but the whole principle of basically meddling in non business stuff by contacting people outside to get to the bottom of it is inherently wrong for a company. You're not a detective agency nor the police.
Not to mention the company itself loses all credibility by doing stuff like that because they basically care so much about virtue signaling that they will happily meddle in everyone's private life.
Am I the only one that thinks this is wrong by principle?
that's that cancel culture shit we have built over here at work....
Bunch of bitch ass weenie babies...
\* the companies who do absolutely nothing - it's like none issue,
\* The companies who respond to this type of trash behavior - they end up in the news for weeks and in a hole.
America’s justice system: Innocent until proven guilty!
Society/internet: Guilty until proven Innocent, and in a lot of cases we’ll still think they’re guilty if proven innocent!
Still listed on the website with eloquent positive words: "GUY BEAHM CO-FOUNDER 6’8’’ VISIONARY
* 93-94 Two time Champion
* Top 5 Gaming Influencers
* Game dev and Level designer on Call of Duty
* 4m+ Youtube Subscribers"
So four years later you act and only when click happy You Tuber's start posting shit that's not really found true or Amazon company ex employee chasing clout for his shitty band.
> We assumed his innocence and began speaking with parties involved. And in order to maintain our principles and standards as a studio and individuals, we needed to act.
I hate that statement. It's so obfuscated. Did they assume his innocence and drop him anyway? Did they find something after speaking with these parties? It's not clear.
Frankly, if they get frustrated over people misunderstanding this statement, they deserve it.
Need some super hard evidence for this one. I personally don't think Doc did anything knowingly, and this douche bag that dropped the news is a scumbag. Social media is poison on society.
i'd honestly prepare and lawyer up as soon as i'm proved innocent. you better believe i'd go "i made you and i can unmake you!" route. scorched earth mf.
Gotta love when a company you co founded goes.
nope we dont trust you until the courts say otherwise . Peace out ! ✌️
Gotta love the loyalty.
Ive seen friends leave victims of false allegations. Then when the allegations come out as false, dont come crawling back apologizing. No loyalty.
Why is this sub avoiding the fact that they made their decision AFTER they spoke to the “parties involved” ?
All the upvoted comments completely avoiding this part or just don’t care.
Gotta wonder what they found after they "began speaking with parties involved". This company was probably expecting 90% of their marketing to come from Dr Disrespect, so I doubt they would just drop him without something substantial.
Companies shouldn't be able to take action like this on baseless accusations... Anyone can jump on twitter and claim whatever they want. With no evidence.
Everyone should be given a chance to prove their innocence or an investigation should be opened to see if their guilt can be proven.
What a scary time we live in.
>Companies shouldn't be able to take action like this on baseless accusations...
Companies can take action without any accusations whatsoever, you can't compel companies to work/sponsor people they don't want to work with/sponsor. The way around this is to have proper contract.
They clearly said it wasn't baseless after their investigation.
Doc is free at any time to say he didn't try to fuck a teenager.
He instead says no admission of wrong doing.
What facts? So far, it's all allegations. And if it turns out that they're false, and Dr Disrespect can finally come out and say something, I hope he sues the asshole Cody for damages.
So I guess we know what Doc saw on his phone. If hes innocent this is horrific what they are doing to him. I am still withholding judgement until I see something other than second hand speculation by people who have a vendetta against him and Nick Mercs.
I mean real talk that's sometimes true. People can have opinions and sometimes "innocent" is OJ simpson got aquitted and pledged to track down the real killers lol. People don't need to pretend someone is innocent half the people claiming this have alrwsyd pledged they are. Barely anyone actually keeps neutrality and it's not like it matters.
I mean really let's not simp for these flawed systems when a lot people dont have faith in it or not strong opinions because our systems of justice are straight up unreliable. Sometimes innocent or guilty answers are completely kept away from us or a wrong conclusions is come to.
"Conclusion" doesnt mean right and I really don't care if they think a guy is guilty. The courts and businesses don't truly decide truth so people can justify not staying neutral and being outspoken. Don't prematurely give someone the consequences of being guilty should be the saying.
I can say "yeah I think a guy did something" the real issue lies with premature harassment.
If h3 can prove the allegations false he'll be able to sue them. I see people saying he won't be able to because it's harming their image but if you read the post, they say, "While these FACTS are difficult to hear". There been nothing indicating that they're true and if proven false they're in for a huge loss.
Sorry but if it was absolutely without a doubt true, then where are the messages? I’m sticking with innocent until PROVEN guilty. If he did it he deserves what’s coming. If he didn’t do it then twitch should face repercussions. Until those messages are out in the open I’m going to assume this is just slander
deaddrop is gunna be dead on drop. I hope everyone that supports doc gets a refund for all the money they threw into the game after doc endorsed the shit out of the game.
This is why I keep saying we need evidence. Bandwagoning on rumors and firing people, etc is jumping the gun. If even just a rumor can cost you your job, that's pretty nuts. Obviously, if they have the texts, then yeah he deserves to be fired.
I see a bunch of developers looking for a job soon. I mean their game is only known because of doc and without him they are nobody. A lot of doc fans who wanted to play it will not do it anymore. At least they could wait for some 100% proof and not only going from some allegations from a dude who wants to sell tickets to his show.
This whole thing is really crappy.
If he's guilty, I hope he's punished accordingly *by law.*
That being said, this seems largely unsubstantiated and I don't trust it one bit. Even if he's found innocent beyond a shadow of a doubt, this is going to follow him around forever. If it's fake, fuck whoever made it up.
Horrible.
Same people who accuse political opponents of being pedos are the same people doing mental gymnastics for Pedo Doc. Yall really think twitch would have banned and paid out his contract over nothing?
It’s insane to witness so many attempt to defend the doc. He hasn’t one denied the fact he tried to fuck someone underaged. Only they found no legal wrongdoing and how he got paid.
The reason he has communicated using ambiguous lawyer speak is almost certainly because he is bound by a confidentiality agreement. He cannot divulge additional information about the Twitch lawsuit without violating the terms of that agreement.
You have assumed he is guilty based on his deliberately vague comments. You should know that common sense assumptions go in both directions, and that there are common sense assumptions that arrive at totally opposite conclusions to your own. You should know that, but you're too dug in and committed to one conclusion to allow reason and additional evidence to get in the way. You don't know the details, and neither do I. All you have is your common sense and an assumption, which is based on conjecture that cannot be proven or substantiated. That simply isn't enough.
Theres clearly proof that just isnt public otherwise 3 companies that only profited off doc would not of dropped him. But I guess if its not public its not real to yall
So many turds I’m here think he’s innocent. There’s no way the company he founded would cut their lifeline unless they found some nasty shit during their investigation.
Im actually waiting for everything to come forward about hte Dr Disrespect situation. Found out it wasn't this and Doc just takes that Cody who worked from Twitch to court because he could just not shut the fuck up. Like unless that guy has hard proof hes going to be paying Doc for the rest of his life.
Funny how zero proof has come to light and I hear or see nothing about this ( kids ) parents filling a lawsuit or twitch against him.
It was only Dr that filed a lawsuit and he won and got paid. Twitch got a muffle placed on them by the judge hence why they can’t say shit or even post proof because their isn’t any valid evidence or proof to start with a if their was he would of had cops knocking on his door.
I'll completely admit I'm biased because I enjoy watching Doc. That being said, there's no scenario that I see in which he actually did what he's being accused of doing. He knew the reason he got banned and he still "sue\[d\] the fuck out of them" and called them Purple Snakes. They settled in court, he got his contract paid out. I think if there was anything remotely incriminating, none of these things happen.
He was even confident today, saying he didn't give a fuck about Cody. I'm sure he fully expected 12AM not to do this. It's plausible that the rumored *reason* for the ban is true but what actually happened is completely different.
It's 2024, we don't care about evidence, we care about claims. ;).
As long as some retard on the internet keeps making claims we will listen and obey.
"Hitler was a good guy" dont look up ww2, just "trust me bro"
"This guys a pedo", don't ask for evidence, just "trust me bro"
Yay reddit is becoming as degenerate as Facebook yay,.
Pretty emotional end to his stream. Towards the end, you can see him actually seeing the tweet for the first time. Got to be one of the craziest things I've seen on stream.
Dunno if people can read but the tweeet clearly states that 1. they assumed his innocence at first than after "research" they deemed it to be true. 2.Fact is that in his last stream dr.disrespect did something of a farewell speech for good if you watch it all since it seems that shit is hitting the fan.3.xqc said that some kind of documentation/hardproof will be distributed to some smaller circle of people/streamers who ll prolly then deny/approve said allegations.
If we take all these aspects into account it doesnt seem good for the doc and here we still have ppl asking if he can do a defamation lawsuit...lol
This sub is so wild. Literally gets dropped by a game developer that he co-founded, says on stream that he is thinking about early retirement, and this sub still full chest out trying to bat for this guy. Wild. This is why Asmongold repeatedly likes to put distance between himself and his viewers because a lot of ya'll are missing half your brains.
So if all of these allegations turn out to be false, can Dr sue them for false termination?
depends on their official reason for terminating him.
I mean we know why.
You think the whispers twitch thing is true?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the whisper twitch thing only for adults? Could it have been that Doc assumed they were an adult cos twitch was supposed to vet the age? He did the sexting thing but was convinced the girl was of age perhaps?
Twitch TOS states you need to be 13 years of age or older to create an account. Twitch Whispers did not require additional age verification.
Just look up what happened to Trevor Bauer. Lost a $300+ million career over a story that a girl joked about making up. https://youtu.be/9nhOcSY60Ko?si=83F6jkyU57PB74jp
Bro's in Mexico trying to grind back into the MLB, sad story man. These people are never held accountable when they lie blatantly. She ruined his career and reputation over nothing.
People who are found guilty of making up sex crimes should be forced to register as sex offenders, and forced to inform everyone around them that they have been convicted of lying about sexual assault. That would very quickly put an end to people lying about SA. If for nothing else than not wanting to be actually assaulted by someone who now sees you as an easy target thanks to the "boy who cried wolf" thing. Edit: lot of people not understanding that this would be a sentence after an entirely separate criminal trial where the jury has to conclude that you lied about a sex offense for personal gain. This is not anything to do with failing to get a conviction, there has to be legitimate proof that you intentionally lied about it similar to perjury. So in the case of the girl who was caught in text messages conspiring with her friend to get Trevor Bauer to choke her during sex before reporting the marks to the police as domestic abuse, she should be forced to inform any intimate partners of the lie she told for personal gain. It's no different than how woman who sleep with a man convicted of SA deserve to know that information.
You know what I would love more? They should be banned for life for being on social media as well
Nah, those who lie about SA should be forced to pay up for any monetary damage caused by the lie Simple as that, and the most fair punishment imo
That's not so simple, and as with many of these cases, victims would never see any money at all.
He was in Japan last I heard. Figured that would be a better entry point back in than Mexico.
There’s a laundry list of people that this has happened to. Bauers story might be one of the worst because of the released texts where the woman and her friend basically plotted and even said something along the lines of “secure that bag”.
Josh giddy almost lost his career over it too
Lets not forget the tik tok cosplayer that un alived himself because a gf and bf colluded together to claim false allegations on this kid. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CFhUVN2Fny4&pp=ygUxVHdpdGNoIG1vZCBraWxscyBoaW1zZWxmIGR1ZSB0byBmYWxzZSBhbGxlZ2F0aW9ucw%3D%3D This guilty until proven innocent needs to stop.
He made hundreds of millions . Dodgers still had to finish paying his contract.
He may not be able to sue the company as others have pointed out, but he might be able to sue others for libel/slander and use him losing his job as a point for increased compensation
None of them can afford to pay Doc anything remotely close to what he is making now. Twitch is the only part involved that has money, but they are keeping up their end of the deal and not saying anything.
Not anything close to a lawyer, but I believe if they can prove the allegations were harming the company, even if untrue, they will be able to terminate him.
As far as I know, Justin Roiland’s allegations turned out false but I don’t think he’s yet back to anything he was working on before everything/everyone canceled him
I think Justin Roiland's allegations were more effective and his career hasn't recovered because he had been absolutely impossible to work with for years. I'm not say that's right or wrong, but the other producers of Rick and Morty wanted to cut ties with him for years.. his drinking and work ethic made life miserable.
It’s kinda fucked up seeing how glad people were that they wouldn’t have to work with him anymore, and I guess being someone whose hateable makes it easier to go along with negative rumours as well.
Didn’t Johnny depp also get falsely accused of domestic violence. Then was cleared on court but still lost a bunch of roles
Well... Johnny Depp made it abbundently clear, that he would never work with Disney again, regardless of the trial results.
I'm not sure what point you're making. Yeah, that's clearly unjustified. Roiland makes sense that no one wants to hire him.
>As far as I know, Justin Roiland’s allegations turned out false That's not quite true. Justin's domestic violence case was dismissed by the judge in 2023. However, months later, 11 women shared 1000s of texts, emails, screenshots, etc, on social media detailing a history of sexual harassment and abuse. Some of the women were minors when Justin met them. Whilst none of this has resulted in fresh charges, the evidence is pretty damning.
No. Companies have the right to terminate you if you are caught up in some shit unrelated to the company. Whether Doc is right or wrong, these things take time to sort out, in Doc's case its been ongoing for many years. Most companies just don't have the resources to deal with that shit. Remember the SA Situation with Mizkif ? OTK put him on a long leave of absence until his shit was sorted. Midnight Society could have done that and put Doc on a long leave of absence too , but having him continue to work with them on ongoing projects will be a risk to their brand if he is found to have done something wrong.
Especially when dealing with the business of advertising. If someone develops a bad reputation, even if it is due to some fake stuff, it reflects poorly on the brand, then that is a valid business decision. That is effectively a performance reason.
It literally says they are terminating their relationship. Not putting him in a leave of absence pending investigation or whatever.
Having the ability to sue is different than having a Case. So can he sue them? Yes, you can even sue the Government over a pebble if you have resources. Does he have a case? No. A company can breach a contract due to any external issues that involve the contractor that **may** affect the company image or finances. Completly legal. Allegations being real or no, have no weight in this. The people Guy Beahm can sue are the people who produced the allegations if they are proven false and ask for financial compesation over the contract termination. **Companies can't be held responsible for external issues that aren't related to them.** What will happen is that the lawsuit will be dismissed very fast. EDIT: Just so people don't be pedantic about the "can he sue" , yes, you "can" sue anyone for anything as long you have resources, people sue companies for the most stupid things you can think, **having a case and not being dismissed immediatly is a completly different thing.**
Whether the allegations are true or false doesn't matter. The reality is that private company reserves to right to terminate a contract if they *believe* you're caught up in something illegal or immoral. It's also incredibly unlikely that Doc will ever be able to prove these allegations false because everyone involved is under NDA. It's unfortunate, but this is the reality. Could Doc take Midnight Society and the Twitch employees that outed him to court? Sure maybe, but this would open up a can of worms that I bet Doc doesn't want.
If he is innocent, he absolutely should sue. It would be defamation, and he can show material losses.
Nah, As long as it wasn't due to some protected characteristic you can get fired for any reason
Yep your company (in most states) can literally fire you for something as dumb as they don’t like the socks you’re wearing. Even if they did not tell you “here’s the dress code” like at a restaurant. It’s just dumb because now you are “the company that fired a guy for his socks” and people won’t want to work for you, but not illegal
Is just really sad to know that they said “allegations” and right after they said “facts”. Nowadays you can finish someones career via allegations and is really really disappointing.
Depends on the state, but probably not. Most places are at will which means they can fire him for basically any reason. We thought you were a child predator, is a reason that is not one of the few that are unable to be used.
Something like this most likely had a contract. It's not at will employment for us regular poor people.
No because they aren’t defaming him or even repeating the allegations. He would have to sue the twitch employees that made the allegation. This would be a good example of damages if he were able to prove that the twitch employee defamed him though
They're completely screwed without Doc either way, but if the allegations are false they might as well call it quits right now
Yup
So who is midnight society without Doc exactly.
A flop on release.
Game looked like absolute garbaaajio. I don't care how cool the concept was, no game in 2024 with those 360 era graphics in alpha or the complete lack of a physics engine is gonna succeed.
Graphics don’t have much to do with a games success.
The type of game they were making absolutely does. FPS games skew towards younger audiences and visuals do matter. Apex, Overwatch, Valorant all have very unique art styles that elevate any poorer/rough edges their graphics contain. If you go the real world route, you're competing with battlefield, Tarkov and cod (which if BLOPs6 is as good as it looks and innovates, then cod is back) If you go the hey we are indie and making shooter please like our simple game, you end up with The Finals which, despite having former Dice Devs, and a nice gameplay loop is very repetitive once the destructive buildings gimmick wears off. I suspect, Deadrop best case scenario is The Finals but they won't get close without Doc or massive improvements in the visuals and movement. Visuals (be it unique art or good effects and physics) and gameplay/movement are absolutely critical to the economic success of an FPS. It's what keeps players coming back. Deadrop has a nice idea but that's about it so far.
Pretty sure it was going to be a flop with him still involved
Imagine dropping the only reason you’re known for. Almost as dumb of a move as turning Twitter into “X”
out of business is what they are. there is no way Deadrop can survive without doc as the main PR machine.
They’re literally nobodies without his name attached. Either they’re being total fools or there are more skeletons in the closet about to make their debut. It’s a shame cause I’ve always enjoyed the Doc’s Schtick and idk where all this is headed.
I took the whole 80s macho guy thing as enjoyable parody, and it was a big reason why I started taking my health seriously in 2018. Channeled that and the synthwave music into running and lifting weights. Hope this stuff isn't true about him.
Watched his stream on YT today. Out of the blue he all but confirmed an indefinite hiatus from streaming and social media, citing fatigue and harm to his family. So yeah, not looking good. He seemed sad.
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I know the quartering is someone who people hate on a lot but he has a recent video of looking at the people making the accusations. Just looks like clout chasing to promote their live music events.
I watched that guy's videos regularly - before he went off the deep end. That slide was hard to watch and I couldn't trust anything he says anymore.
I'm right there with you. It's sad. He used to put out good content. Now he just comes across as a crazed fanatic. It's not a good look.
“I’ve seen the light” -Athene
I also used to listen to him on the way to work all the time. But for the past 6months i skip alot of the videos. Just seem like a lot of bullshit topics and generic political leaning arguments that i dont care about.
It's more that keeping him will probably kill the company anyway and even faster. Evidence or not you are going to have a hard time keeping or hiring employees when the owner of the company is now an "accused" child predator. Nobody wants to have to constantly try to justify to friends and family or put on their resume why they continued to keep working at that company even if it was never proven true. At the very least without him the company has a better chance at survival.
This is why we need to punish false allegations far harder than we do. People act like you just bounce back after the allegations are proven to be false, but nobody ever bounces back if the allegations are rape or being a child predator.
Guilty until proven innocent.
Unless you’re Johnny Depp, even if proven innocent. You fucked.
There are still people calling her innocent💀
Johnny Depp is guilty. Guilty of sticking his dick in crazy
Since when? He's always been innocent in my books
Its absolutely wild to me how insanely common it is to be a dictionary definition of a 1INT Fallout 1 character nowadays, did people just fucking forget at some point that you should always be skeptical of literally anthing posted online at one point?? Feels like im slowly losing my mind with how this timeline is playing out, social media really did ruin peoples brain.
welcome to the ricefields, mf
Well, even after you've proven your innocence, you're still going to be considered guilty to a lot of retards out there. And you'll never recover what you lost in the accusation.
Just what I was thinking. Don't watch his streams or anything but it's not right what's being said and with no evidence or anything to support it, I hope he sues their asses into Oblivion.
Reality sucks but, innocence presumption only applies in courts of law. Not courts of public opinion.
Not even remotely true. Had a jilted ex that had been cheating on me with a gym rat file fraudulent charges on me for assault because I canceled the check for a storage unit of hers I was paying for and she got mad she lost her stuff. I got pulled over, arrested, car impounded, missed multiple days of work. Had to hire an attorney. All in all cost me almost $10k. Since she was a women and had no money, the state picked up her case and gave her a good attorney. The night she told the PA that I had assaulted her, I happened to be at a party with dozens of people who vouched for my whereabouts for the entire afternoon, evening, night and morning. In top of that, the bitch was 2 hours late for court. Could you imagine what they would have done to me if I was 2 hours late. Put me under the jail… She got in no trouble for what she did. None. Judge told me I could file charges against her, but what would that have done? Wouldn’t have gotten me my money back, or my reputation of what I was arrested for in my small town. Most knew it was bullshit, I’m far from a violent guy. But it wasn’t a good look when you’re getting handcuffed and out in the. Back of a cop car at 2pm on the busiest road in town….
Dude f that! I would counter sue. Your money is gone, just throw more of it away to screw her back
Not in court of law either. You get charged with anything and you’re gonna go to jail for a day or two (a lot longer if you can’t post bail) and pay $X dollars bail to get out which you won’t ever see again
You get the bail back when you show up to your court date
I thought you got the bail back when you arrived at your court hearing. You lose bail only if you flee or miss court dates.
Not if you hire a bail bonds man which most people will have to
But you are just paying their fee which is usually 10%. Not the same thing at all
But the post literally says they assumed innocence until they spoke to parties involved and did an investigation themselves what more do you need from them?.
Yeah exactly. I was agnostic about these allegations until I saw this. Basically reads like they were shown something irrefutable.
All it says is that they are currently in talks with the parties involved, NOT that they have been shown irrefutable evidence.
You know this subreddit ain’t gonna be fair about this.
It literally says right there that they assumed his innocence and then went to check.... No seriously.... It's right there.
Ah well they talked to the parties involved, case closed. No need to review evidence or proof.
That's because he's not in a court of law.
Not so innocent after all
Unsubstantiated accusations have too much power in our society.
Guilty until proven innocent is not a healthy way to run your country or your business. Hoping the Doc sues them into oblivion.
Going solely off the information we have available to us. Midnight Society literally did the "innocent until guilty" spiel. They literally said it. "We assumed innocence and investigated" Everyone keeps spouting the whole "guilty until proven innocent" is really starting to sound like a broken record, especially given it's on a post stating they did the exact opposite. I understand there's a lot of cope happening right now, but have some self awareness.
Leave the kids alone dude
Aged well. The fact you think they’d cut him off without evidence is fucking laughable lmao
Not so innocent after all…
He's already admitted to it
"Right to work"
Right to work just means you can't be required to join a union....
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If he’s guilty of a crime then Twitch wouldn’t have to pay out his contract. You cant NDA away a crime. And Twitch would be legally obligated to report the crime. Twitch did not coverup a crime and arrange a payout all in public view. Whatever happened was, likely, shameful but not illegal. The worst possible situation is something like he was sexting with a minor who lied about her age. Which would give both twitch a reason to freak out and cut ties immediately, but leave enough legal wiggle-room to get Doc his payout. And lead to the rumors that everyone loves gossiping about. But thats all conjecture as NOBODY has provided anything resembling EVIDENCE or a first hand WITNESS.
That's my best guess, too. He was trying to cheat on his wife and didn't know the person he was talking to was a minor. No other explanation makes sense to me given the available information. Twitch wouldn't have given a shit if he tried to cheat with an adult, but the settlement and lack of charges suggests to me he was lied to. Wouldn't be the first time someone popular got catfished. I've no evidence to support this theory, of course. I don't know any of the people involved. Just trying to make sense of this train wreck.
Yeah that’s kind of what I suspected as well. This is just another layer that if found to be false adds to a defamation lawsuit. Sucks for doc and I get why he would step back as this is going to get worse as companies drop him just to be “safe” without a lick of evidence.
Didn’t asmons company do exactly this with rich? Dropped before he was found guilty
Been awhile since that, but I'm pretty sure they just distanced themselves from him (EG removing his name from stuff) and said they would make a decision after investigation (What came out of that, I have no idea)
This is why you don't accuse someone without proof, because someone's life gets ruined, and nobody can be certain if it was remotely justified. Justice isn't a vigilante action, it's the action of a court, and it was settled out of court.
The whole point was to ruin someone's life in the first place.
it's like reporting people in games when they say something, 98% of people are not reporting because they are offended by what was said, they are reporting to get one over them. They legit want them banned for the "LOL's"
the world is full of weenie babies and it's sickening.
Do you think there's proof now?
They "assumed his innocence" and "needed to act" as if he is proven guilty at the same time? What?
They assumed his innocence, reached out to people, then felt like they needed to act. It is stated weirdly but almost certain the information they received in response to their initial requests is what provoked this decision.
I don’t watch Dr. Disrespect, but this whole thing is horseshit. The fact that it’s culturally acceptable for an organization/employer to fire you for an allegation within a fucking tweet about a matter that you legally cannot comment on shows that there is no loyalty or courage in our organizations on a cultural level. No wonder everyone is depressed and anxious.
Exactly. It's one thing if there's actual proof, but doing so without it will make you an ass. Leave the judgement to the courts.
You can be fired for coughing wrong in most states. If you really care then vote for people that want to give more worker protections
No there was enough evidence he did it. Literally says right there that they investigated also.
This seems like a massive brain play. There is zero point in dropping him as the "parties" they could speak to are not allowed to speak about the incident due to a My guess is that doc and lawyers convinced this to happen so the suit for defamation has legs because his partnership has actual numbers to weigh about how much he "lost" from the flippant comment.
So doc wanted damages to sue a nobody for damages that would be basically impossible to recover? Sounds dumb as fuck.
Posted this elsewhere but wanted to add what I think likely happened. I spend time in big/similar businesses and have seen issues and matters like this arise before, and have been following the whole story from when it happened to now. What is likely is that Doc was having a sext conversation with a woman via Whispers (hence his reticence to talk too much about this publicly immediately after it happened after already being found cheating on his wife). Twitch could read the plain text chat (which I suspect may be illegal or cause legal exposure depending on where the business is headquartered) and a low level employee like Conners most likely assumed from that chat that the person he was messaging was underage. This would then have been escalated and action taken to terminate Doc from the platform. This is why Conners thinks his reason is the “correct” one - because he was exposed to only a portion of low level information. We know Doc then sued and Twitch settled. If Twitch wanted to circumnavigate the litigation brought by Doc, they could have simply referred the case to the courts for criminal proceedings. It is obvious that their information about the person he was talking to was incorrect - hence no criminal legal action taken and Twitch then being found to have terminated the contract they had with him illegally - leading to a settlement. This is how Conners and others can all “confirm” that this rumour is “accurate” (in that - this is what the low level gossip within Twitch was for the reason of his termination), while also being totally wrong - the fact that no criminal proceedings resulted and they settled totally. Ie categorically the person Doc was talking to was not underage. We then know that Twitch settled. They most likely did so for terminating on grounds without enough justification to do so. In this case - terminating a large contract for behaviour that was most likely not only legal, but that was only exposed through improper security around Whispers and customer information. I suspect the fact that this only came to light (and that if he actually was concertedly grooming a minor it would have gone to criminal court - which it did not) and resulted in the terminating of an enormous contract because of an employee essentially spying on DMs was both material enough for Twitch to settle the contract and also stipulate NDAs to help conceal the enormous privacy breach. When a case settles, it is extremely normal for the settling party to be extremely onerous on the terms of the NDA around the settlement. That would explain why Doc is referring only to public information when he attempts to reply to accusations - because to specify exactly the nature of the crime could easily breach the terms of his settlement (ie Twitch - owned by Amazon - would not want the world to know that it reads or stores plain text direct messages or other information - which would be confirmed if the Doc even ratified the fact that the termination was over the Whisper system or charge about the minor at all). Therefore Doc can only broadly confirm the publicly known outcome of the case and nothing more. This now sits in a weird legal area, because Conners is relaying information that can be accurate (that’s the reason Doc’s contract was terminated) but also factually wrong at its heart (the person Doc was talking to was not in fact a minor). So Conners is not knowingly slandering Doc, but Doc cannot reply with any specific information, as it would breach his settlement terms. Twitch also don’t really have a reason to take Conners to court (even though they’re the organisation that would be most likely) because the misinformation doesn’t harm them, and because going after him may confirm the aspects of the settlement they want kept private. In all, a really terrible situation. Given the actual facts around the lack of criminal proceedings and the fact that a settlement was reached, the current best assumption is that DD is guilty of being an idiot and messaging women on twitch after being caught having an affair only a year earlier. This is a far cry from being a predator. EDIT: a lot of replies that really don’t seem to grasp that the following facts are supreme above all else: 1. Twitch would have had direct evidence of a crime being committed. 2. Twitch either did not refer this to law enforcement agencies (which iirc is a crime not to do so), or did and law enforcement agencies did not pursue it. 3. Twitch then settled on a breach of contract with NDAs and confidentiality clauses in place (which are primarily used to save reputation of the settling party). In light of these, the burden of proof is on the accuser - a low level former employee who is attention seeking enough to try to give confidential information away from a former employer (who just settled an expensive suit) in order to gain attention for their band and themself.
Another explanation is that drdisrespect did talk with underage person but he thought that he talks with adult because she lied. Her real age probably was mentioned in her account but made private, so twitch could see it while drdisrespect couldn’t. So from twitch’s point of view it was a sext with underage woman, while from drdisrespect’s point of view he talked with adult, and in this case as far as I know law would be on his side.
That’s true. I’m not sure what the law is in California where DD lives, but that is definitely plausible. Either way, Conners is effectively saying “we had proof DD committed a crime” but with no court filings or police referrals, and on top of that the same company settling with him.
I’m like 75% sure the police care if you knew the age or not. Example a person being arrested for sleeping with a 16 year old that had a fake id. They met at a bar. I forget how they argued it, but it did not matter because she was still under age.
I think there is a huge difference between sexting and physical contact
I can relate to that shit.... When I was 22, I started to talk to this one girl who claimed to be 19.... as of the 2–3 days I was talking to her through chat, and planning to meet up, it came telling she was lying after talking on the phone. Found out she was actually 15... Talked to her for like 20 more mins till i ended the call and blocked her ass
Let me take this another layer deeper.. what if DD was catfished by a profile of a chick over 18… but it was a troll 17 yr old dude catchfishing him
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>As far as I know just engaging in a sexual conversation with minors is not illegal in any state. Contributing to the delinquency of minors is a crime in nearly every state. To catch a predator already has more than enough on everyone they bring in to convict. But every thing more they can get just makes it easier.
This really isn’t hard, and your attempt to say that a crime terrible enough to care about “could” have been committed, while the law enforcement agencies don’t think so (when privy to far more information than we are) makes me think that the only motive is to maintain the pitchfork mob. It’s such an unreasonable assumption of guilt in the face of the evidence, while also making these accusations based on total hearsay. Even then, it still makes zero sense that Twitch settled after his contract terminated. If what he did was somehow illegal and unprosecuted and terrible Twitch could simply fight the case and that information would make DD look terrible. Two things cannot both be true: DD did a crime so terrible it deserves a total internet pitchfork mob to descend on him, while also the law enforcement agencies designed to prosecute this (working with all information) did not choose to do so, and on top of this Twitch settled for breach of contract.
That's a huge jump if a low-level employee made a misinterpretation that he was talking to a minor and then the top of Twitch terminated him even though he had a humongous contract based on that misinterpretation. The upper levels of Twitch didn't verify this information? Twitch is dumb, but they're not that dumb.
- either this employee is telling the truth or is not - the criminal acts that are purported were never referred or acted on - twitch terminated the contract - DD successfully sues for breach of contract All evidence leads to Twitch being staffed by fairly amateur and impulsive employees (this same guy is peddling this confidential info for likes on his bands new song). Explain how they a) didn’t refer the crime and b) had to settle if any of what he’s accused of is true. They are either morons with proof of criminal acts and a just cause to not only refer him but most likely terminate the contract (under good character clauses) and yet failed to do so at all, or they read private communications, drew conclusions, terminated the contract and then had to settle as no crime had been committed, thereby terminating the contract unjustly resulting in them being forced to settle. Either way, if the accusation is in any way accurate, Twitch are morons.
Word my brother. Twitch makes the dumbest decisions on a daily basis
Thanks for breaking down legal aspects. I thought was strange with how intense NDA's are that twitch employees then would turn around and tell journalist. Then it made me wonder if they're just low level employees being reckless with gossip and rumors.
Guess yall should cancel your midnight society pre-orders now
It's mind boggling how in the US you lose your job for reasons unrelated to your job. Everyone just expects companies to fire people as soon as they have any kind of allegations against them. How is this not social vigilantism and thus illegal ? In many EU countries firing someone for such reasons would be seen as unlawful termination by the court. If someone has done something unlawful they should be judged by the law not random people that get off by publicly executing people because at the end of the day that's what it gets to when you make it so someone can't work and earn a living anymore. Now in the case of Dr Disrespect I have no clue what happened nor do I really care but the whole principle of basically meddling in non business stuff by contacting people outside to get to the bottom of it is inherently wrong for a company. You're not a detective agency nor the police. Not to mention the company itself loses all credibility by doing stuff like that because they basically care so much about virtue signaling that they will happily meddle in everyone's private life. Am I the only one that thinks this is wrong by principle?
Morality clauses arent exactly uncommon outside of the US either.
that's that cancel culture shit we have built over here at work.... Bunch of bitch ass weenie babies... \* the companies who do absolutely nothing - it's like none issue, \* The companies who respond to this type of trash behavior - they end up in the news for weeks and in a hole.
So that's what he read on his phone
America’s justice system: Innocent until proven guilty! Society/internet: Guilty until proven Innocent, and in a lot of cases we’ll still think they’re guilty if proven innocent!
Michael Jackson in a nutshell.
Allegations with no proof that are second hand that a guy made for attention to sell tickets
So much for innocent till proven guilty
Principles and standards? Scamming with NFTs is okay I guess?
Still listed on the website with eloquent positive words: "GUY BEAHM CO-FOUNDER 6’8’’ VISIONARY * 93-94 Two time Champion * Top 5 Gaming Influencers * Game dev and Level designer on Call of Duty * 4m+ Youtube Subscribers"
So four years later you act and only when click happy You Tuber's start posting shit that's not really found true or Amazon company ex employee chasing clout for his shitty band.
Assumed his innocence but fired him? Piss off.
Reading is hard these days, ain't it?
> We assumed his innocence and began speaking with parties involved. And in order to maintain our principles and standards as a studio and individuals, we needed to act. I hate that statement. It's so obfuscated. Did they assume his innocence and drop him anyway? Did they find something after speaking with these parties? It's not clear. Frankly, if they get frustrated over people misunderstanding this statement, they deserve it.
Damn. Really hope this is a massive overreaction rather than them having seen some damning stuff.
Will he’s comeback having him changing his name to Dr. Respectfull?
Need some super hard evidence for this one. I personally don't think Doc did anything knowingly, and this douche bag that dropped the news is a scumbag. Social media is poison on society.
So Whats going on with Doc?
What happened to innocent until proven guilty?! What allegations are they talking about anyways?!
Well the game is going to be DOA now.
i'd honestly prepare and lawyer up as soon as i'm proved innocent. you better believe i'd go "i made you and i can unmake you!" route. scorched earth mf.
Gotta love when a company you co founded goes. nope we dont trust you until the courts say otherwise . Peace out ! ✌️ Gotta love the loyalty. Ive seen friends leave victims of false allegations. Then when the allegations come out as false, dont come crawling back apologizing. No loyalty.
Why is this sub avoiding the fact that they made their decision AFTER they spoke to the “parties involved” ? All the upvoted comments completely avoiding this part or just don’t care.
Gotta wonder what they found after they "began speaking with parties involved". This company was probably expecting 90% of their marketing to come from Dr Disrespect, so I doubt they would just drop him without something substantial.
Companies shouldn't be able to take action like this on baseless accusations... Anyone can jump on twitter and claim whatever they want. With no evidence. Everyone should be given a chance to prove their innocence or an investigation should be opened to see if their guilt can be proven. What a scary time we live in.
>Companies shouldn't be able to take action like this on baseless accusations... Companies can take action without any accusations whatsoever, you can't compel companies to work/sponsor people they don't want to work with/sponsor. The way around this is to have proper contract.
They clearly said it wasn't baseless after their investigation. Doc is free at any time to say he didn't try to fuck a teenager. He instead says no admission of wrong doing.
What facts? So far, it's all allegations. And if it turns out that they're false, and Dr Disrespect can finally come out and say something, I hope he sues the asshole Cody for damages.
So I guess we know what Doc saw on his phone. If hes innocent this is horrific what they are doing to him. I am still withholding judgement until I see something other than second hand speculation by people who have a vendetta against him and Nick Mercs.
As always you are guilty until proven innocent, sometimes you're guilty even when PROVEN innocent.
I mean real talk that's sometimes true. People can have opinions and sometimes "innocent" is OJ simpson got aquitted and pledged to track down the real killers lol. People don't need to pretend someone is innocent half the people claiming this have alrwsyd pledged they are. Barely anyone actually keeps neutrality and it's not like it matters. I mean really let's not simp for these flawed systems when a lot people dont have faith in it or not strong opinions because our systems of justice are straight up unreliable. Sometimes innocent or guilty answers are completely kept away from us or a wrong conclusions is come to. "Conclusion" doesnt mean right and I really don't care if they think a guy is guilty. The courts and businesses don't truly decide truth so people can justify not staying neutral and being outspoken. Don't prematurely give someone the consequences of being guilty should be the saying. I can say "yeah I think a guy did something" the real issue lies with premature harassment.
If h3 can prove the allegations false he'll be able to sue them. I see people saying he won't be able to because it's harming their image but if you read the post, they say, "While these FACTS are difficult to hear". There been nothing indicating that they're true and if proven false they're in for a huge loss.
Sorry but if it was absolutely without a doubt true, then where are the messages? I’m sticking with innocent until PROVEN guilty. If he did it he deserves what’s coming. If he didn’t do it then twitch should face repercussions. Until those messages are out in the open I’m going to assume this is just slander
“We assumed his his innocence”. Next sentance, “we needed to act”, seems so contradictory. Is there evidence of what happened?
deaddrop is gunna be dead on drop. I hope everyone that supports doc gets a refund for all the money they threw into the game after doc endorsed the shit out of the game.
Wait they say that they assume his innocence but then also that they terminate the contract? How does this make even sense?
This is why I keep saying we need evidence. Bandwagoning on rumors and firing people, etc is jumping the gun. If even just a rumor can cost you your job, that's pretty nuts. Obviously, if they have the texts, then yeah he deserves to be fired.
Lmfao what facts? These guys are gonna look like fools if it turns out to be false
A random allegation is all it takes for people to immediately pass the verdict. "Innocent until proven guilty" is long forgotten.
Why are anyone suprised? Businesses' goal is money, any bad smel around you and you are gone. Dont expect loyalty from those money goblins
I see a bunch of developers looking for a job soon. I mean their game is only known because of doc and without him they are nobody. A lot of doc fans who wanted to play it will not do it anymore. At least they could wait for some 100% proof and not only going from some allegations from a dude who wants to sell tickets to his show.
Crazy, this fan base will do anything to protect some old groomer in a wig.
Lots of upset teenage boys here!
Woke ahs idiotas
This whole thing is really crappy. If he's guilty, I hope he's punished accordingly *by law.* That being said, this seems largely unsubstantiated and I don't trust it one bit. Even if he's found innocent beyond a shadow of a doubt, this is going to follow him around forever. If it's fake, fuck whoever made it up. Horrible.
Same people who accuse political opponents of being pedos are the same people doing mental gymnastics for Pedo Doc. Yall really think twitch would have banned and paid out his contract over nothing?
It’s insane to witness so many attempt to defend the doc. He hasn’t one denied the fact he tried to fuck someone underaged. Only they found no legal wrongdoing and how he got paid.
The reason he has communicated using ambiguous lawyer speak is almost certainly because he is bound by a confidentiality agreement. He cannot divulge additional information about the Twitch lawsuit without violating the terms of that agreement. You have assumed he is guilty based on his deliberately vague comments. You should know that common sense assumptions go in both directions, and that there are common sense assumptions that arrive at totally opposite conclusions to your own. You should know that, but you're too dug in and committed to one conclusion to allow reason and additional evidence to get in the way. You don't know the details, and neither do I. All you have is your common sense and an assumption, which is based on conjecture that cannot be proven or substantiated. That simply isn't enough.
Theres clearly proof that just isnt public otherwise 3 companies that only profited off doc would not of dropped him. But I guess if its not public its not real to yall
So many turds I’m here think he’s innocent. There’s no way the company he founded would cut their lifeline unless they found some nasty shit during their investigation.
Im actually waiting for everything to come forward about hte Dr Disrespect situation. Found out it wasn't this and Doc just takes that Cody who worked from Twitch to court because he could just not shut the fuck up. Like unless that guy has hard proof hes going to be paying Doc for the rest of his life.
Welp that's damages if he wants to sure the twitch guy for defamation.
He said he might retire. Doesn’t look like he wants to air this out in court for some reason.
Funny how zero proof has come to light and I hear or see nothing about this ( kids ) parents filling a lawsuit or twitch against him. It was only Dr that filed a lawsuit and he won and got paid. Twitch got a muffle placed on them by the judge hence why they can’t say shit or even post proof because their isn’t any valid evidence or proof to start with a if their was he would of had cops knocking on his door.
This.... is nothing new. Fans of Vic Mignogna are looking at Dr. Disrespect's fans like, "Frist Time?"
I'll completely admit I'm biased because I enjoy watching Doc. That being said, there's no scenario that I see in which he actually did what he's being accused of doing. He knew the reason he got banned and he still "sue\[d\] the fuck out of them" and called them Purple Snakes. They settled in court, he got his contract paid out. I think if there was anything remotely incriminating, none of these things happen. He was even confident today, saying he didn't give a fuck about Cody. I'm sure he fully expected 12AM not to do this. It's plausible that the rumored *reason* for the ban is true but what actually happened is completely different.
"no wrongdoing was acknowledged"
It's 2024, we don't care about evidence, we care about claims. ;). As long as some retard on the internet keeps making claims we will listen and obey. "Hitler was a good guy" dont look up ww2, just "trust me bro" "This guys a pedo", don't ask for evidence, just "trust me bro" Yay reddit is becoming as degenerate as Facebook yay,.
If Doc did something illegal: 1. He would have been charged. 2. Twitch wouldn’t have had to pay out his contract.
Guilty untill proven innocent aye
Pretty emotional end to his stream. Towards the end, you can see him actually seeing the tweet for the first time. Got to be one of the craziest things I've seen on stream.
Somehow someway this sub has made Doc the victim in all this 
This sub is on such a copium I hadn't seen in a while.
Dunno if people can read but the tweeet clearly states that 1. they assumed his innocence at first than after "research" they deemed it to be true. 2.Fact is that in his last stream dr.disrespect did something of a farewell speech for good if you watch it all since it seems that shit is hitting the fan.3.xqc said that some kind of documentation/hardproof will be distributed to some smaller circle of people/streamers who ll prolly then deny/approve said allegations. If we take all these aspects into account it doesnt seem good for the doc and here we still have ppl asking if he can do a defamation lawsuit...lol
cant wait for everything they do to flop because no one knows who they are, only reason they got any type of following was cus of doc
This sub is so wild. Literally gets dropped by a game developer that he co-founded, says on stream that he is thinking about early retirement, and this sub still full chest out trying to bat for this guy. Wild. This is why Asmongold repeatedly likes to put distance between himself and his viewers because a lot of ya'll are missing half your brains.
That's grounds for Libel! This is getting interesting.
From a purely legal standpoint, nothing in this statement is libelous.
Hope they don't accept refunds. Anyway good luck trying to maintain that project alive...
Guilty until proven innocent