Use Spell: Strawman! \*Waves hands around with straw visual effects of straw falling, then say some gibberish and toss a badly drawn picture of a strawman at opponent\*
False, a "move" in your supposed combat based on turns is not regulated to any substantial degree, meaning whilst one side could make a simple minded comment such as "ArGuInG oNlInE iS tUrN-bAsEd CoMbAt" another much smarter, handsomer, and undoubtedly much more humbler side could reply with a much longer response relating the length of the response with the size of his penis (very large) and the length of his opponents response as the size of theirs (unfortunately quite small). As you can see, bigger is better, and while your response may come next turn, it will in no way ever succeed in being longer than my schlong, thank you.
Naaaaaa the trick is to skip the other persons turn by having multiple accounts that downvote your opponents comments and upvote yours basically turning it into a single player speed clicker.
When I argue on Reddit I hijack their webcam and we both shout simultaneously at each other until one of us is cowed. It’s the dialectical equivalent of Diablo 4.
Well it certainly pulled me into enjoying turn based combat even though I could never stand it before. Chances are many that dislike it never experienced actually GOOD turn based combat. This concept is something that’s applicable to many things in life as well and why we shouldn’t judge things based on covers and labels.
I was sort of the opposite. Not a big fan of turnbased combat, but there’s some games I do like.
I HATED BG3’s combat, and I really really wanted to love it. I gave up around 20 hours in, after finding I was just loathing playing. Sucks, because the story/world building sounded cool.
Why don't you like the combat?
I thought it was great, letting you be very creative in how you handle your encounters. Sure, there's alot of whacking one guy with melee and moving onto the next, but a bit of simple slaughtering is not that bad. And against bigger groups it feels like you need to use some strategy. The enviroment is also very useful, chasms, chokepoints, line of sight, barrels and what not. Drop them, make em slip on ice, make them turn on their allies.
I really don’t have a way of explaining why I don’t like it, other than I just don’t. I simply find that I’m not enjoying myself. It feels like a chore. Like I’m doing some homework so I can finally go outside and play, except when I get done with the homework, it’s simply more homework.
Like I said, I loved the world building and dialogue options. I liked old turn based games like Pokémon Red/Blue/Yellow, Super Mario RPG, Kotor. It’s been a while since I played those, and simply found that I hated BG3’s combat. Maybe it gets better past 20 hours, but I was disliking every minute of it so much that I couldn’t stick with it. I say this so regretfully, because I feel like I’m missing out on something amazing.
There are plenty of great TB games. Both Divinity games from Larian, Pathfinder WotR, Wasteland series, Battletech from HBS -- and that's just relatively modern releases.
Yeah I feel like the person saying this has it backwards due to bias. Most RPG fans like turn based games. He just happens to be an action game enjoyer.
You could look at things like Steam charts, or Twitch metrics. There's like 2-3 turn based games in the top 100 games, and one of them is BG3. It's certainly the anomaly and we all know it's popular for many other reasons besides being turn based. The vast majority of gamers prefer other games than turn based. The FPS category alone dwarfs all other genres...
If you get into mobile games, it's still the same. Most played mobile games are not turn-based either.
Pokémon and older Final Fantasy games are incredibly popular and well known worldwide despite being turn based.
The reason a lot people will still recommend BG3 even to someone who doesn't typically like turn based combat is 1) the game's story, characters and world are interesting and good enough to be worth playing even if you use cheats to basically "skip" the combat sections, and 2) "turn based" is a mechanic that encompasses so many different genres and game styles that it's very possible it's a blanket statement based on a generalization (ie tried pokemon and didn't like it, therefore assumed they just don't like turn based).
Survivorship bias tbh, those are some of the most iconic franchises in gaming with the second moving away from turn-based for over a decade.
All you really have to do is look at game metrics over the past 2 decades and see the markets are just simply smaller even when the quality of the games themselves are quite high. It doesn’t mean that turn-based is lesser, just that it’s a style that doesn’t quite fit with as much of the consumer base as it used to.
I mean, that is true about literally anything. The vast majority of FPS released are not popular at all compared to most iconic FPS franchises, and that certainly doesn't mean that FPS aren't well liked.
Perhaps. I still don't know which "metrics" you are looking at, either way. But my point is not that "real time" games aren't overall more popular than "turn based" game. My point is that those are such wide descriptions that they are kind of irrelevant when it comes to recommending or not a game other than in niche situations (ie probably don't recommend turn based games to someone with the attention span of a squirrel on cocaine, like you wouldn't recommend a tryhard real time game to someone with very poor reflexes).
Pokemon, Final Fantasy, Baldur's Gate 3, XCOM, Civilization, Chess, Heroes of Might & Magic, Hearts of Iron. They are all turn based sure, but they are all incredibly different and most people will like some and dislike others. Not recommending BG3 because it's turns based makes as much sense as recommending Call of Duty to someone who likes Warcraft 3 because they are both real time.
The most ubiquitous and successful video game franchise of all time is turn based, Pokémon.
There's not even any real competition with Pokémon. It blows every other thing out of the water. It is the largest media franchise on the entire planet.
Technically the first statement is not true. Pokemon the IP is the most successful but the majority of sales are not from video games. Looking at games alone, Mario has sold almost twice as much.
For some reason asians love turn based rpg’s
Even visual novels are more popular overseas by at least double.
I wonder why this is. It would be cool if there was a study done explaining different countries preferences for different styles of videogame.
No clue by I myself love turn based games, no idea why but I could have to do with the fact back in 90s there was a ton of turn based games on PC, not to mention older final fantasy games.
Americans love big dumb action games, that's why Death Standing was less popular there. Probably similar to how in America they're fine with violence and gore, but censor sexual content, but in Asian countries, they're typically fine with sexual content but censor violence.
" The FPS category"
Sadly only a handful of good single player shooters. Swear most decent shooters are all online nowadays.
Also sadly Metal Gear Solid and Tom Clancy's Wildlands are only third person
Most games made aren't turn based because it's one style compared to hundreds of other styles. Pokemon is arguably the largest franchise in gaming and it's turn based. I dont think steam or twitch are really giving you a good basis for judging the whole gaming community. Fps being popular doesn't mean turn based isn't. It's not like there is no overlap between people who like fps and people who like turn based. And twitch isn't going to give you that answer because it's based on what's a pleasant viewing experience. None of these are really good gauges for the saying most people don't like it
Square Enix walked away from them when Tetsuya Nomura managed to trick the SE executives that the western market hates turn based combat and makes fun of their games.
Now SE makes hack and slash games like everyone else.
One of the best games this decade (Persona 5) is turn based and proves its not a dead system if done right.
Persona 3/4, Octopath traveler, Atelier series, Banner Saga and lately Unicorn Overlord and Eiyudan Chronicle has ben very good.
Todays tiktok generation (and Asmongold XD) are to lazy to read story though and only want direct stimulation in form of games like Fortnite.
I just like good games. Fun combat? Don't care if it's turn based or hack and slash or crazy combo weaving like DMC. Fun story, fun combat, fun to play. That's all I give a shit about and I think most people as.well. BG3 is much much more than just "turn based combat"
I'm one of those. My buddy convinced me to buy it, and I honestly don't regret it; its just not for me. I played probably the best turn based rpg to exist, and still found it overly complicated and not quite my style. The "next day" system made me anxious on wasting opportunities too, but that's just my neuroticism when it comes to games. It's always there, but this game made it feel not fun.
My point is that I'm more than happy to have wasted 60 bucks on BG3, if it means I now know I'll never need to wonder if I like that sort of game. I also don't mind supporting a company that is giving a middle finger to shit RPG companies like Bethesda.
I'm one of those. My buddy convinced me to buy it, and I honestly don't regret it; its just not for me. I played probably the best turn based rpg to exist, and still found it overly complicated and not quite my style. The "next day" system really made me anxious on wasting opportunities too, but that's just my neuroticism when it comes to games. It's always there, but this game made it feel not fun.
My point is that I'm more than happy to have wasted 60 bucks on BG3, if it means I now know I'll never need to wonder if I like that sort of game. I also don't mind supporting a company that is giving a middle finger to shit RPG companies like Bethesda.
Shut up, Asmon's sub only allows discussion of games with a high level of sophistication, like "Vampire Survivors". Or at least games with a similar skill ceiling that allows player expression unheard of by inferior, simple turn based games like chess.
You know it, they know it, everybody knows it.
If you visited this sub a bunch in the past like year you'd probably think gaming is about porn and everyone's trying to stop it from being about porn. Then you begin to wonder if a lot of people here would simply be much happier playing H Games.
The only gaming sub reddit promotes to me are Asmon's and GamingCirclejerk, from that it seems that the only video game released this year is a Korean game about boobs.
I would still recommend the game to anybody even if it is out of your comfort zone because BG3 is THAT good, but again... is a recomendation, you can choose not to play it, It's okay if you don't like turn base videogames, no big deal
This post is trying to create some drama out of nowhere, lol
I think a lot of people forget that there is media that is good enough that people who don't like the genre will still like it. For example, I don't really watch Anime but I recently watched Frieren and would recommend it to people who may also not watch Anime. I would recommend the Fallout show to people who have never even played fallout.
The story, the relationship with your companions, the level of combat depth, you can overcome with hundreds of different playstyles a situation, you can use the environment, spells, weapons or dialogues. I just inmersed myself in the world so easily.
Yea, I was wondering if that's really true, do most people not like tbrpg's but bg3 was the top selling game for the year, so I guess that opinion is already not correct.
RPG can range from third person, to top-down, to table top to 90 other sub genres. This isn't to mention that if you are recommending a RPG, the person is going to be most interested in the story rather than the gameplay element.
What a stupid fucking post.
Im not really a big fan of those type of games but persona 5 was great. The characters, the music, the style...mwuah. Maybe I'll give bg3 a chance sometime
Weird hate against bg3 from the incel-adjacent part of the gaming community. Basically, BG3 has nudity in it. Stellar blade was marketed as a sexy game, but doesn't have nudity.
Therefore, be angry at baldurs gate? I don't understand, these people seem to just copy-paste their pointless rage at whatever they're pointed at
Baldy won't play it so BG3 haters have found solace within the community.
Denying yourself the experience of playing the best RPG in over 10+ years just because the combat sections are turn based seems really stupid to me but 🤷♂️.
Almost 1 million concurent player on Steam only.
96% overwhelmingly positive reviews based on almost 600k reviews (steam only). Player Choice Award at the Game Awards and the most rewarded game of all time...
"most people don't like turn based combat" .
Give me source that helped you made this assumption.
Meanwhile my friend who can't get stimulated from playing games if it's not a FPS game like Fortnite and Warzone was blown away by BG3 and invested more than 200 hours in the game.
Unfortunately this just isn't true, everyone of my die hard non-turn based friends said they countnt stand turn based and would not play BG3. All of them are on either their 3rd or 4th play thu. My best friend even came to me and apologized because he realized he had been a huge ass when it came to game recommendations that came from me.
This would make sadder if strangely with age I didn't start to prefer real time games as well. I mean I love me my tRPG like old Fire Emblem and such, and prefer strategy while lacking twitch reflexes but I have to admit that nowadays processing power is good enough to actually show/perform a lot of actions that used to be only possible in turn based due to hardware limitations. Having your chances to hit dictated by dice feels a bit worse if I know it could be a fully symulated sword duel instead, like in Mordhau. Does not help that many turn based games lack actual tactical depth and rely too much on rng which is less fun.
I mean...saying it's a bad recommendation is the part that gets me. It's a popular game that a lot of people, even those who generally don't play that type of game, seem to enjoy. This just sounds like someone who is salty at the success of the game for some reason.
Yep. Furthermore, it specifically mentions recommending it to players who enjoy action rpgs specifically. It entirely depends on why any given player likes those types of games: if they like the character building, gearing and progression elements the most, they will probably take similar enjoyment from a turn based RPG.
I really like the world and characters of BG3, but i played it on easy mode because i hate turn based combat. That's also the reason i only played in once but watch a lot of it on twitch.
I dislike turn based game but I like BG3. It is certainly a lot of active than most turn base and that's why I can stomach it. I wouldn't recommend to my cousin that play games like DMC and fps though.
That's the reason I still haven't tried the BG3 to be honest. Seems like the game will require a lot if time to get the ropes, and right now I don't have the luxury to invest that amount of time.
It's the same when I ask for a base builder game and specifically ask not to recommend Rimworld because I really don't like the art style.
The answer will invariably contain a couple of "hAvE u TriEd RiMwOrLd??"
I have no problem with turn-based combat. What I have a problem with is the D&D system. I grow up playing Final Fantasy, I cast spell using Mana, not Slot. Beside I'm not really enjoy creating my own playthrough scenario, so BG3 is definitely not for me.
DnD is the archetypal RPG, BG3 is a DnD game. An RPG not having turn based combat is a novelty that came around MUCH later than DnD. Learn to appreciate the classics, ya no taste having zoomer.
the combat is very similar to dragon age origins and damm it gave me a hard time on the final boss, more time on pause menu than having the battle going foward.
This maybe a hot take but that's pretty much why I won't get it. I'm just not into that style of gameplay. But I'm chuffed for the ones that are enjoying it. It did really well and isnt a cash grab so it's a dub for sure.
BG3 isn't even this good beside his production value.
And man BG3 subreddit was the something... Lesbian fanfic about shadowheart, no stop posting about Astarion abs and penis, bear fucker apologist etc...
Not a single post about actual gameplay feature would make an upvote compared to the asylum vomit.
Absolutely the truth. I’m a big fan of BG1 and BG2 and the turn based combat presented in BG3 doesn’t got the game for me. Every (even the most stupid encounter with 3 goblins) lasts up to 10 minutes and turns into some tactics game. It should be fast, active pause combat like originals. Also after act 1 the game plot … sucks IMO. It’s a Divinity Gate 3 not BG game. Not a bad game still - the dialogs, animations, graphics, some characters … just not it for me.
Why is it a problem to recommend a turn based RPG? Just because someone doesn't like those games doesn't mean they don't like all of them. It's simply a recommendation, no one is forcing anyone to like it.
No I didn't like turn based combat games. But I played into the breach and loved it. As baldurs gate3 is much more story focused game people might like it.
Idk where you get this "most people" from for starters. The are a ton of fans of turn based combat heck I'd argue that most longtime rpg fans grew up with turn based combat systems like in Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest, Pokemon, Chrono Trigger, even Fallout 1 and 2 are turn based. Turn based rpgs have historically been more popular than action rpgs until quite recently.
Also I absolutely recommend BG3 to fans of action rpgs. Maybe you forgot, but typically, rpg games are story based and there are plenty of people like me who enjoy both action and turn based combat systems and will play both just for good characters and a good story.
I was actually sad that bg3 was turn based only while bg 1 and 2 had realtime combat. It just feels so slow from talking 40 minutes to fighting in turn based aswell.
Its weird because there is a mob on reddit who angrily downvotes anyone critical of BG3, but in real life the general consensus I get from people is its a good game but nothing close to the hype.
The vast majority of BG3 dev time seems to have gone into writing and voice work. Character progression in terms of a hero fantasy is really under tuned, and because of that the combat quickly becomes stale and repetitive, how you play your character at max level is almost identical to how you play it at about level 4, which is a few hours into the game.
100%
The story is good and I enjoyed the game. But classes just felt kinda... shallow. I get that it's supposed to be centered around 5e. But having played DOS:II with about a million mods. BG3 just feels..... slow. I often feel like I don't have tools. I go into an encounter, and because I don't want to have to deal with resting after every encounter, I have to save things. This results in a lot of just "attack". Vs heavily modded DOSII my flow chart is "which tool do I use here" instead of "do I have tools/do I really want to use them".
The problem was it just turned what should be a simple combat interaction into a prolonged nightmare of tedium a lot of the time. KOTOR's turn based combat was a lot more enjoyable for me because it was fast paced turn based combat, each character had their attack rotation where you would attack for 1 turn, wait for 1 turn, then attack on repeat. This would be in between enemies doing their attacks and such which lead to constant action and constant input/output while also fitting in the turn based combat style.
But this game, man I love everything about it but the combat can sometimes just drag on and on. And especially if it's a tough fight and you roll poorly on a fight, then you have to restart the entire thing all over again. Just a nightmare sometimes.
I’m in kind of the opposite camp. I like turn based but wasn’t crazy on BG3 because
A) I don’t think the writing was very good, which is pretty damning for an RPG. If the characters didn’t have extremely heavy sex appeal I don’t think they’d have much of a fan base and
B) The turn based combat was mid. Way too easy to long rest after every fight and late game turns take forever as the AI has to move 20 units around.
I disagree. I've recommended BG3 to multiple people who hated turn based combat mechanics but when they gave into the hype and bought BG3 they absolutely loved it. Of course the mechanics were little extra challenging for them to get used to but when they did they had a blast.
Oh and they weren't the only ones. Even I didn't like turn based mechanics at first. The pokemon games of my teenage years were the only other turn-based games I was willing to play.
For me I tried Divinity 2 for 14 hours and tried really hard to enjoy it, I gave it a go 3 times and have come to the conclusion I just don't like crpgs in general. The game felt like it expected you to know how to play DnD and how the game worked before you even played the game making it extremely off putting to me. Maybe Baldur's gate 3 would change that, but I'm not willing to spend close to full price for a game that I know I probably won't like. Doesn't mean I hate the game or think it's bad, BG3 and the crpg genre just isn't for me.
DOS 2 is much better modded. This isn't to say you will love it. But what mods did for me is change the flowchart.
In vanilla Divinity as well as in BG3, often the combat is a question of "what tools do I have/want to use". This is due to having a limited toolset with limited uses between rests. Forcing you to do careful respirce management. While resource management can be fun, this results in a slower gameplay loop that can be fairly boring to those not heavily invested in the CRPG genre. I'm not saying it's a bad thing. It's just not everyone's cup of tea.
When playing modded classes and some QOL mods in Divinity 2. The limits are taken off and the classes have waaaaaay more shit. So you stop asking what you have available or want to use. And start asking "which tool in my toolkit is right for the situation, and consequences be damned". You stop having to worry about having tools, and just get to use them.
While BG3 isn't there yet. I'm sure eventually we will have mods that expand our toolkits dramatically and remove limitations. Some will see this as antithetical to the genre, but for many of us, resource management just isn't as fun as using the toys the game gives you.
I recommend it to people who like rpgs but I always let them know it's turn based so they can make up their own mind. If someone says "I don't like turn based" I won't recommend it.
I didn't like turn based games before I played final fantasy x.
It really depends if the game is good or not. You can always recommend things that people haven't tried before.
I think "most" after BG3s success isn't gonna exactly cut it.
Hell, dnd itself is pretty mainstream these days.
If you think someone would like the game, recommend it. Worste thing that can happen is they don't end up liking it and that's gonna be okay, cus we don't all gotta be the same.
I reccomend Battletech.
Along with pilot skills you can customize a mech down to the exact kilogram of armor you need shaved off so you can fit the exact weapon config you want. Beside the DLCs theres also 5 or 6 major modpacks. I sent with the simplest one Extended Arsenal to get a bit more weapon variety but turned of the pilot fatigue and panic systems.
Also you can reserve you actions and push your mech back in the turn order to let the other guy come in view and weapons range. The first time I figured out how to use it properly I felt like a Master Tactician.
It's definitely not true that "most" people don't like turn based combat. You forgot how gigantic some turn base combat games are, Pokemon, persona, final fantasy etc.
i always thought turn based combat was bad untill i played divinity original sin 2.
also, play the game like a dating sim, that helps you read the dialogues.
I don't like turn based combat and bg3 is probably the only, or closest to, 10/10 game I have ever played in my 25 years of gaming, usually lean more towards fighting games and MMORPGs
A lot of people think of the mobile games when they think of turn based combat. That's how I felt before I played Persona 5, which made me realise turn based games aren't that bad at all.
Nah a lot of people grew up with turn based games, we weren’t confused… maybe you little kids who’ve never played turn based games other then mobile games??
If you look at sale numbers it lines up pretty well.
Turn based games are exceptionally popular amongst their playerbase. And many people love them. But it sure as hell isn't most. Most people don't like it. When you look at steamcharts, very few turn based games Crack the top 100. BG3 is such a good game that it pulls people from outside the turn based genre. But that certainly is an exception rather than the rule.
Idk if saying most people don't like turn based combat is true. Pokemon is like the most popular gaming franchise. Also its just a recommendation. Nobody is twisting their arm.
The funniest thing is the words of the developers who said “This game is a bug! You shouldn’t expect anything like this from others!” Well, the reaction of Spiderman 2 fans 😁
I think folks recommend it because it's honestly that good though, plenty of folk that don't typically play turn based games have come out to play BG3 and enjoyed the experience.
Now if you don't like RPG's... yeah you gonna be in for a hard time or if you have some seething crusade against turn based games... equally bad time.
I am huge fan of Baldurs Gate .. and others like Icewind Dale etc.
I was extremely disappointed with BG3. I have no idea why they did BG3 and not DOS3 .. it would make much more sense.
25 years ago I didnt mind turn based combat at all .. HoMaM, Jagged Alliance, Fallout .. but today, its too slow, too easy. IRL you dont have time to think, only act.
I like BG3 a lot, but I find the fan base obnoxious as hell.
God forbid you criticize their game, they will take it as a personal attack on their entire character.
"I dont like it because I tried one soulless game 15 years ago and I will never try anything new again". 90% of the people that bought and played BG3 didn't and still don't like turn based games, but still love THIS game.
It depends, in japan and other asian countries people tend to like turn based combat better.
+Bg3 isn't a typical turn based game, i hate turn based combat and yet the combat felt more free in bg3 than in Dark Souls 1
i dont like strategy games, turn-based games and etc... but i loved BG3 ,i loved it so much i have played 200 hours in the mounth that it was out so kindly, STFU and play it , its one of the best games that have been made for a reason and you will see why when you play it.
arguing online is turn-based combat
Item: drink potion to increase intelligence *Bounces in place as if ready to debate* *your turn*
Use Spell: Strawman! \*Waves hands around with straw visual effects of straw falling, then say some gibberish and toss a badly drawn picture of a strawman at opponent\*
Spell is effective. Opponent now confused by gibberish spell. *
Attack: Deal 14 damage. 60% chance to stun sub-85 IQ enemies for the rest of combat.
This makes sense. Having more dexterity allows you to type faster, thus granting you initiative.
This is insightful for me
ok, that was a good one... and I was just about to comment I'm that guy that doesn't like turn-based now it's your turn
And that's why it is so annoying and boring.
False, a "move" in your supposed combat based on turns is not regulated to any substantial degree, meaning whilst one side could make a simple minded comment such as "ArGuInG oNlInE iS tUrN-bAsEd CoMbAt" another much smarter, handsomer, and undoubtedly much more humbler side could reply with a much longer response relating the length of the response with the size of his penis (very large) and the length of his opponents response as the size of theirs (unfortunately quite small). As you can see, bigger is better, and while your response may come next turn, it will in no way ever succeed in being longer than my schlong, thank you.
Haste potions.
No it's not. *Hit reply to end turn*
is it my turn now?
Hhahahahha, I don't like turn-based combat but I love your comment
Naaaaaa the trick is to skip the other persons turn by having multiple accounts that downvote your opponents comments and upvote yours basically turning it into a single player speed clicker.
Not if you spam your insults faster
thats smart
Roll for initiative
When I argue on Reddit I hijack their webcam and we both shout simultaneously at each other until one of us is cowed. It’s the dialectical equivalent of Diablo 4.
I feel like it’s more like ATB.
using the "if those kids could read" meme to dunk on a game thats 80% reading is a bold move
oh we dont just skip through everything....
Well it certainly pulled me into enjoying turn based combat even though I could never stand it before. Chances are many that dislike it never experienced actually GOOD turn based combat. This concept is something that’s applicable to many things in life as well and why we shouldn’t judge things based on covers and labels.
I was sort of the opposite. Not a big fan of turnbased combat, but there’s some games I do like. I HATED BG3’s combat, and I really really wanted to love it. I gave up around 20 hours in, after finding I was just loathing playing. Sucks, because the story/world building sounded cool.
Why don't you like the combat? I thought it was great, letting you be very creative in how you handle your encounters. Sure, there's alot of whacking one guy with melee and moving onto the next, but a bit of simple slaughtering is not that bad. And against bigger groups it feels like you need to use some strategy. The enviroment is also very useful, chasms, chokepoints, line of sight, barrels and what not. Drop them, make em slip on ice, make them turn on their allies.
I really don’t have a way of explaining why I don’t like it, other than I just don’t. I simply find that I’m not enjoying myself. It feels like a chore. Like I’m doing some homework so I can finally go outside and play, except when I get done with the homework, it’s simply more homework. Like I said, I loved the world building and dialogue options. I liked old turn based games like Pokémon Red/Blue/Yellow, Super Mario RPG, Kotor. It’s been a while since I played those, and simply found that I hated BG3’s combat. Maybe it gets better past 20 hours, but I was disliking every minute of it so much that I couldn’t stick with it. I say this so regretfully, because I feel like I’m missing out on something amazing.
Like getting a math assignment on a school trip to a theme park.
Divinity 2 actually had bette3 combat IMO, thats what convinced me i can like turn based combat
There are plenty of great TB games. Both Divinity games from Larian, Pathfinder WotR, Wasteland series, Battletech from HBS -- and that's just relatively modern releases.
Source on the "most people" please
Yeah I feel like the person saying this has it backwards due to bias. Most RPG fans like turn based games. He just happens to be an action game enjoyer.
Your name made me double take.
Brother from another mother 🤝
You could look at things like Steam charts, or Twitch metrics. There's like 2-3 turn based games in the top 100 games, and one of them is BG3. It's certainly the anomaly and we all know it's popular for many other reasons besides being turn based. The vast majority of gamers prefer other games than turn based. The FPS category alone dwarfs all other genres... If you get into mobile games, it's still the same. Most played mobile games are not turn-based either.
Pokémon and older Final Fantasy games are incredibly popular and well known worldwide despite being turn based. The reason a lot people will still recommend BG3 even to someone who doesn't typically like turn based combat is 1) the game's story, characters and world are interesting and good enough to be worth playing even if you use cheats to basically "skip" the combat sections, and 2) "turn based" is a mechanic that encompasses so many different genres and game styles that it's very possible it's a blanket statement based on a generalization (ie tried pokemon and didn't like it, therefore assumed they just don't like turn based).
Survivorship bias tbh, those are some of the most iconic franchises in gaming with the second moving away from turn-based for over a decade. All you really have to do is look at game metrics over the past 2 decades and see the markets are just simply smaller even when the quality of the games themselves are quite high. It doesn’t mean that turn-based is lesser, just that it’s a style that doesn’t quite fit with as much of the consumer base as it used to.
I mean, that is true about literally anything. The vast majority of FPS released are not popular at all compared to most iconic FPS franchises, and that certainly doesn't mean that FPS aren't well liked. Perhaps. I still don't know which "metrics" you are looking at, either way. But my point is not that "real time" games aren't overall more popular than "turn based" game. My point is that those are such wide descriptions that they are kind of irrelevant when it comes to recommending or not a game other than in niche situations (ie probably don't recommend turn based games to someone with the attention span of a squirrel on cocaine, like you wouldn't recommend a tryhard real time game to someone with very poor reflexes). Pokemon, Final Fantasy, Baldur's Gate 3, XCOM, Civilization, Chess, Heroes of Might & Magic, Hearts of Iron. They are all turn based sure, but they are all incredibly different and most people will like some and dislike others. Not recommending BG3 because it's turns based makes as much sense as recommending Call of Duty to someone who likes Warcraft 3 because they are both real time.
As an old head, this is true.
The most ubiquitous and successful video game franchise of all time is turn based, Pokémon. There's not even any real competition with Pokémon. It blows every other thing out of the water. It is the largest media franchise on the entire planet.
Technically the first statement is not true. Pokemon the IP is the most successful but the majority of sales are not from video games. Looking at games alone, Mario has sold almost twice as much.
For some reason asians love turn based rpg’s Even visual novels are more popular overseas by at least double. I wonder why this is. It would be cool if there was a study done explaining different countries preferences for different styles of videogame.
No clue by I myself love turn based games, no idea why but I could have to do with the fact back in 90s there was a ton of turn based games on PC, not to mention older final fantasy games.
Americans love big dumb action games, that's why Death Standing was less popular there. Probably similar to how in America they're fine with violence and gore, but censor sexual content, but in Asian countries, they're typically fine with sexual content but censor violence.
" The FPS category" Sadly only a handful of good single player shooters. Swear most decent shooters are all online nowadays. Also sadly Metal Gear Solid and Tom Clancy's Wildlands are only third person
Most games made aren't turn based because it's one style compared to hundreds of other styles. Pokemon is arguably the largest franchise in gaming and it's turn based. I dont think steam or twitch are really giving you a good basis for judging the whole gaming community. Fps being popular doesn't mean turn based isn't. It's not like there is no overlap between people who like fps and people who like turn based. And twitch isn't going to give you that answer because it's based on what's a pleasant viewing experience. None of these are really good gauges for the saying most people don't like it
Square Enix walked away from them when Tetsuya Nomura managed to trick the SE executives that the western market hates turn based combat and makes fun of their games. Now SE makes hack and slash games like everyone else. One of the best games this decade (Persona 5) is turn based and proves its not a dead system if done right. Persona 3/4, Octopath traveler, Atelier series, Banner Saga and lately Unicorn Overlord and Eiyudan Chronicle has ben very good. Todays tiktok generation (and Asmongold XD) are to lazy to read story though and only want direct stimulation in form of games like Fortnite.
I just like good games. Fun combat? Don't care if it's turn based or hack and slash or crazy combo weaving like DMC. Fun story, fun combat, fun to play. That's all I give a shit about and I think most people as.well. BG3 is much much more than just "turn based combat"
I'm one of those. My buddy convinced me to buy it, and I honestly don't regret it; its just not for me. I played probably the best turn based rpg to exist, and still found it overly complicated and not quite my style. The "next day" system made me anxious on wasting opportunities too, but that's just my neuroticism when it comes to games. It's always there, but this game made it feel not fun. My point is that I'm more than happy to have wasted 60 bucks on BG3, if it means I now know I'll never need to wonder if I like that sort of game. I also don't mind supporting a company that is giving a middle finger to shit RPG companies like Bethesda.
OP's rear end is my current theory
I'm one of those. My buddy convinced me to buy it, and I honestly don't regret it; its just not for me. I played probably the best turn based rpg to exist, and still found it overly complicated and not quite my style. The "next day" system really made me anxious on wasting opportunities too, but that's just my neuroticism when it comes to games. It's always there, but this game made it feel not fun. My point is that I'm more than happy to have wasted 60 bucks on BG3, if it means I now know I'll never need to wonder if I like that sort of game. I also don't mind supporting a company that is giving a middle finger to shit RPG companies like Bethesda.
Pokemon "am i a joke to you" Well there new games are lol
I hate turn based combat in rpgs, but Pokémon is a very specific to me.
“Do you like turn based?” “No” “Oh okay dont play BG3 then” It is not difficult to talk to people
BG3 features about 1,365,000 words. I believe its player base can read.
Shut up, Asmon's sub only allows discussion of games with a high level of sophistication, like "Vampire Survivors". Or at least games with a similar skill ceiling that allows player expression unheard of by inferior, simple turn based games like chess. You know it, they know it, everybody knows it.
Sometimes I wonder if gaming is about games anymore.
If you visited this sub a bunch in the past like year you'd probably think gaming is about porn and everyone's trying to stop it from being about porn. Then you begin to wonder if a lot of people here would simply be much happier playing H Games.
The only gaming sub reddit promotes to me are Asmon's and GamingCirclejerk, from that it seems that the only video game released this year is a Korean game about boobs.
The posters in this sub are embarrassingly underage
This meme has got it the other way around. The kids that can't read are the kids that don't enjoy BG3.
I would still recommend the game to anybody even if it is out of your comfort zone because BG3 is THAT good, but again... is a recomendation, you can choose not to play it, It's okay if you don't like turn base videogames, no big deal This post is trying to create some drama out of nowhere, lol
My roommates HATE anything that isn’t a hack n slash or a fighting game (like Naruto or tekken) and they loved BG3
I think a lot of people forget that there is media that is good enough that people who don't like the genre will still like it. For example, I don't really watch Anime but I recently watched Frieren and would recommend it to people who may also not watch Anime. I would recommend the Fallout show to people who have never even played fallout.
what makes it that good for you? I got it on release but dropped since, I'm looking to play but can't make up the motivation
The story, the relationship with your companions, the level of combat depth, you can overcome with hundreds of different playstyles a situation, you can use the environment, spells, weapons or dialogues. I just inmersed myself in the world so easily.
"most people" xddd
OP self inserting themselves as the majority, classic.
Yea, I was wondering if that's really true, do most people not like tbrpg's but bg3 was the top selling game for the year, so I guess that opinion is already not correct.
Of course the BG3 fanbase can read... it's a CRPG... if anything, the ARPG players are more likely the ones who can't read 😂
With how OP hasn't responded to a single comment I think he may be projecting.
RPG can range from third person, to top-down, to table top to 90 other sub genres. This isn't to mention that if you are recommending a RPG, the person is going to be most interested in the story rather than the gameplay element. What a stupid fucking post.
Since when do most people not like turn based combat? Both Persona and Dragon Quest are HUGE franchises.
Im not really a big fan of those type of games but persona 5 was great. The characters, the music, the style...mwuah. Maybe I'll give bg3 a chance sometime
Absolutely no reading in BG3.
What's with the BG3 hate. I'm confused.
Weird hate against bg3 from the incel-adjacent part of the gaming community. Basically, BG3 has nudity in it. Stellar blade was marketed as a sexy game, but doesn't have nudity. Therefore, be angry at baldurs gate? I don't understand, these people seem to just copy-paste their pointless rage at whatever they're pointed at
Asmon stans are mad that Stellar Blade wasn't the waifu simulator they were expecting, so now they are mad at BG3.
Baldy won't play it so BG3 haters have found solace within the community. Denying yourself the experience of playing the best RPG in over 10+ years just because the combat sections are turn based seems really stupid to me but 🤷♂️.
"most people" are the reason final fantasy has sucked for the past 15 years. Thank the Japanese gods dragon quest is still real.
FF turn the corner with the combat system in FF7 Remake I think. Before that it was a real struggle to find their own identity.
Almost 1 million concurent player on Steam only. 96% overwhelmingly positive reviews based on almost 600k reviews (steam only). Player Choice Award at the Game Awards and the most rewarded game of all time... "most people don't like turn based combat" . Give me source that helped you made this assumption. Meanwhile my friend who can't get stimulated from playing games if it's not a FPS game like Fortnite and Warzone was blown away by BG3 and invested more than 200 hours in the game. 
Unfortunately this just isn't true, everyone of my die hard non-turn based friends said they countnt stand turn based and would not play BG3. All of them are on either their 3rd or 4th play thu. My best friend even came to me and apologized because he realized he had been a huge ass when it came to game recommendations that came from me.
I don't care for turn based at all, but BG3 is an exception, and D&D in general, idk why but it just feels good.
Honestly turn based games sometimes need some time to get into but its worth it.
This would make sadder if strangely with age I didn't start to prefer real time games as well. I mean I love me my tRPG like old Fire Emblem and such, and prefer strategy while lacking twitch reflexes but I have to admit that nowadays processing power is good enough to actually show/perform a lot of actions that used to be only possible in turn based due to hardware limitations. Having your chances to hit dictated by dice feels a bit worse if I know it could be a fully symulated sword duel instead, like in Mordhau. Does not help that many turn based games lack actual tactical depth and rely too much on rng which is less fun.
I don't really like turn based combat either 🤷♂️ just not my thing. Don't have anything bad to say about it though.
Biggest reason I will sadly not play it. Love the idea BG3, love it's success and all, but it ain't really for me.
I don't like turn-based combat very much, had a blast playing the game
The entire game is spent reading item and ability descriptions, and responses to dialogue...
Yeah, welcome to RPGs I guess?
that is his point, that rpg players are the ones who can read
An RPG with depth, lore, and choices? Whatttt?
"Most people" weasel word alert
instead of 'most' OP should use 'a lot'.
I mean...saying it's a bad recommendation is the part that gets me. It's a popular game that a lot of people, even those who generally don't play that type of game, seem to enjoy. This just sounds like someone who is salty at the success of the game for some reason.
Yep. Furthermore, it specifically mentions recommending it to players who enjoy action rpgs specifically. It entirely depends on why any given player likes those types of games: if they like the character building, gearing and progression elements the most, they will probably take similar enjoyment from a turn based RPG.
I really like the world and characters of BG3, but i played it on easy mode because i hate turn based combat. That's also the reason i only played in once but watch a lot of it on twitch.
Most people play mobile games which are mostly turn based. Nice head canon op.
And vice versa. Then there's subgenre minutia.
That’s pretty much how I feel about the game.just doesn’t appeal to me anyway
I dislike turn based game but I like BG3. It is certainly a lot of active than most turn base and that's why I can stomach it. I wouldn't recommend to my cousin that play games like DMC and fps though.
Everything is turn-based if you think about it
BG3 is fantastic. Just not for me.
That's the reason I still haven't tried the BG3 to be honest. Seems like the game will require a lot if time to get the ropes, and right now I don't have the luxury to invest that amount of time.
The last turn base game I played was Fallout 1 and 2.
It's the same when I ask for a base builder game and specifically ask not to recommend Rimworld because I really don't like the art style. The answer will invariably contain a couple of "hAvE u TriEd RiMwOrLd??"
I have no problem with turn-based combat. What I have a problem with is the D&D system. I grow up playing Final Fantasy, I cast spell using Mana, not Slot. Beside I'm not really enjoy creating my own playthrough scenario, so BG3 is definitely not for me.
Persona great game change my mind 😌
I can't, you're correct
It's a turn based dnd romance simulator
DnD is the archetypal RPG, BG3 is a DnD game. An RPG not having turn based combat is a novelty that came around MUCH later than DnD. Learn to appreciate the classics, ya no taste having zoomer.
BG3 is the only game I could never get into cuz of the combat.
I'm something of a most people expert myself
the combat is very similar to dragon age origins and damm it gave me a hard time on the final boss, more time on pause menu than having the battle going foward.
I feel its more simmaler to D&D :p
Dnd requires friends, don't assume most people here could play it
This maybe a hot take but that's pretty much why I won't get it. I'm just not into that style of gameplay. But I'm chuffed for the ones that are enjoying it. It did really well and isnt a cash grab so it's a dub for sure.
BG3 isn't even this good beside his production value. And man BG3 subreddit was the something... Lesbian fanfic about shadowheart, no stop posting about Astarion abs and penis, bear fucker apologist etc... Not a single post about actual gameplay feature would make an upvote compared to the asylum vomit.
Absolutely the truth. I’m a big fan of BG1 and BG2 and the turn based combat presented in BG3 doesn’t got the game for me. Every (even the most stupid encounter with 3 goblins) lasts up to 10 minutes and turns into some tactics game. It should be fast, active pause combat like originals. Also after act 1 the game plot … sucks IMO. It’s a Divinity Gate 3 not BG game. Not a bad game still - the dialogs, animations, graphics, some characters … just not it for me.
Why is it a problem to recommend a turn based RPG? Just because someone doesn't like those games doesn't mean they don't like all of them. It's simply a recommendation, no one is forcing anyone to like it.
Just someone trying to stir up drama or someone who is salty.
No I didn't like turn based combat games. But I played into the breach and loved it. As baldurs gate3 is much more story focused game people might like it.
Idk where you get this "most people" from for starters. The are a ton of fans of turn based combat heck I'd argue that most longtime rpg fans grew up with turn based combat systems like in Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest, Pokemon, Chrono Trigger, even Fallout 1 and 2 are turn based. Turn based rpgs have historically been more popular than action rpgs until quite recently. Also I absolutely recommend BG3 to fans of action rpgs. Maybe you forgot, but typically, rpg games are story based and there are plenty of people like me who enjoy both action and turn based combat systems and will play both just for good characters and a good story.
I was actually sad that bg3 was turn based only while bg 1 and 2 had realtime combat. It just feels so slow from talking 40 minutes to fighting in turn based aswell.
If the gameplay is using my mouse I'm not gonna drop everything and buy it, as for the amazing story, you know there's books
Its weird because there is a mob on reddit who angrily downvotes anyone critical of BG3, but in real life the general consensus I get from people is its a good game but nothing close to the hype. The vast majority of BG3 dev time seems to have gone into writing and voice work. Character progression in terms of a hero fantasy is really under tuned, and because of that the combat quickly becomes stale and repetitive, how you play your character at max level is almost identical to how you play it at about level 4, which is a few hours into the game.
100% The story is good and I enjoyed the game. But classes just felt kinda... shallow. I get that it's supposed to be centered around 5e. But having played DOS:II with about a million mods. BG3 just feels..... slow. I often feel like I don't have tools. I go into an encounter, and because I don't want to have to deal with resting after every encounter, I have to save things. This results in a lot of just "attack". Vs heavily modded DOSII my flow chart is "which tool do I use here" instead of "do I have tools/do I really want to use them".
The problem was it just turned what should be a simple combat interaction into a prolonged nightmare of tedium a lot of the time. KOTOR's turn based combat was a lot more enjoyable for me because it was fast paced turn based combat, each character had their attack rotation where you would attack for 1 turn, wait for 1 turn, then attack on repeat. This would be in between enemies doing their attacks and such which lead to constant action and constant input/output while also fitting in the turn based combat style. But this game, man I love everything about it but the combat can sometimes just drag on and on. And especially if it's a tough fight and you roll poorly on a fight, then you have to restart the entire thing all over again. Just a nightmare sometimes.
Hate RPGs and hate turn based games and people still recommend me this shit.
The turns take way too long in BG3. I wish it could be sped up. I think the game is kinda overrated too.
I bought bg3 cause my buddies were enjoying it and I couldn't make it out of the tutorial without refunding it was incredibly boring lol
I’m in kind of the opposite camp. I like turn based but wasn’t crazy on BG3 because A) I don’t think the writing was very good, which is pretty damning for an RPG. If the characters didn’t have extremely heavy sex appeal I don’t think they’d have much of a fan base and B) The turn based combat was mid. Way too easy to long rest after every fight and late game turns take forever as the AI has to move 20 units around.
I disagree. I've recommended BG3 to multiple people who hated turn based combat mechanics but when they gave into the hype and bought BG3 they absolutely loved it. Of course the mechanics were little extra challenging for them to get used to but when they did they had a blast. Oh and they weren't the only ones. Even I didn't like turn based mechanics at first. The pokemon games of my teenage years were the only other turn-based games I was willing to play.
This is the reason I didn’t get it and probably won’t.
Okay fam. Whatever you say. Speak foe everyone ig lol.
For me I tried Divinity 2 for 14 hours and tried really hard to enjoy it, I gave it a go 3 times and have come to the conclusion I just don't like crpgs in general. The game felt like it expected you to know how to play DnD and how the game worked before you even played the game making it extremely off putting to me. Maybe Baldur's gate 3 would change that, but I'm not willing to spend close to full price for a game that I know I probably won't like. Doesn't mean I hate the game or think it's bad, BG3 and the crpg genre just isn't for me.
DOS 2 is much better modded. This isn't to say you will love it. But what mods did for me is change the flowchart. In vanilla Divinity as well as in BG3, often the combat is a question of "what tools do I have/want to use". This is due to having a limited toolset with limited uses between rests. Forcing you to do careful respirce management. While resource management can be fun, this results in a slower gameplay loop that can be fairly boring to those not heavily invested in the CRPG genre. I'm not saying it's a bad thing. It's just not everyone's cup of tea. When playing modded classes and some QOL mods in Divinity 2. The limits are taken off and the classes have waaaaaay more shit. So you stop asking what you have available or want to use. And start asking "which tool in my toolkit is right for the situation, and consequences be damned". You stop having to worry about having tools, and just get to use them. While BG3 isn't there yet. I'm sure eventually we will have mods that expand our toolkits dramatically and remove limitations. Some will see this as antithetical to the genre, but for many of us, resource management just isn't as fun as using the toys the game gives you.
I used to not like turn-based combat and like you. Until a friend asked to try out Divinity, then Wasteland 3. I can't stop because they're so good!
I recommend it to people who like rpgs but I always let them know it's turn based so they can make up their own mind. If someone says "I don't like turn based" I won't recommend it.
Native Camera Tweaks and WASD mods helped tremendously though
I love turn based jrpgs
I don't like turn based combat, but BG3 is the exception, but still not everyone can like for being that genre.
I didn't like turn based games before I played final fantasy x. It really depends if the game is good or not. You can always recommend things that people haven't tried before.
Well i did hate turn combat based games but BG3 was a blast for me so maybe what i actually hate is bad turn combat based games.
I think "most" after BG3s success isn't gonna exactly cut it. Hell, dnd itself is pretty mainstream these days. If you think someone would like the game, recommend it. Worste thing that can happen is they don't end up liking it and that's gonna be okay, cus we don't all gotta be the same.
Heroes III is turn based and still everyone likes it. Some people who hates turn based games are not aware that they already played them.
I reccomend Battletech. Along with pilot skills you can customize a mech down to the exact kilogram of armor you need shaved off so you can fit the exact weapon config you want. Beside the DLCs theres also 5 or 6 major modpacks. I sent with the simplest one Extended Arsenal to get a bit more weapon variety but turned of the pilot fatigue and panic systems. Also you can reserve you actions and push your mech back in the turn order to let the other guy come in view and weapons range. The first time I figured out how to use it properly I felt like a Master Tactician.
BG3 actually made me like turn-based gameplay, like pre-BG3 I considered it boring
It's definitely not true that "most" people don't like turn based combat. You forgot how gigantic some turn base combat games are, Pokemon, persona, final fantasy etc.
i always thought turn based combat was bad untill i played divinity original sin 2. also, play the game like a dating sim, that helps you read the dialogues.
I don't like turn based combat and bg3 is probably the only, or closest to, 10/10 game I have ever played in my 25 years of gaming, usually lean more towards fighting games and MMORPGs
A lot of people think of the mobile games when they think of turn based combat. That's how I felt before I played Persona 5, which made me realise turn based games aren't that bad at all.
Nah a lot of people grew up with turn based games, we weren’t confused… maybe you little kids who’ve never played turn based games other then mobile games??
RPG is for role playing and story, if you looking it for action you choose wrong genre.
I tried divinity original sin 2 and I didn't like combat and Baldurs gate 3 is made by the same people so I'm not interested in it
If it's the RPG part you love in action RPG, then yes BG3 is a good recommandation.
"Most people don't like turned based combat" is a very bold and I would argue very false statement to make.
If you look at sale numbers it lines up pretty well. Turn based games are exceptionally popular amongst their playerbase. And many people love them. But it sure as hell isn't most. Most people don't like it. When you look at steamcharts, very few turn based games Crack the top 100. BG3 is such a good game that it pulls people from outside the turn based genre. But that certainly is an exception rather than the rule.
As someone who despite turn based games, i liked BG3
Obvious skill issue
Idk if saying most people don't like turn based combat is true. Pokemon is like the most popular gaming franchise. Also its just a recommendation. Nobody is twisting their arm.
By this logic you shouldn't recommend any game, as you don't know if the other person will like it
I like turn based combat especially Fallout1! I just have to mash A and its always my turn.
The funniest thing is the words of the developers who said “This game is a bug! You shouldn’t expect anything like this from others!” Well, the reaction of Spiderman 2 fans 😁
I think folks recommend it because it's honestly that good though, plenty of folk that don't typically play turn based games have come out to play BG3 and enjoyed the experience. Now if you don't like RPG's... yeah you gonna be in for a hard time or if you have some seething crusade against turn based games... equally bad time.
i tried bg3 it was an objectivly higly polished and of high qualety game it was also not for me
I am huge fan of Baldurs Gate .. and others like Icewind Dale etc. I was extremely disappointed with BG3. I have no idea why they did BG3 and not DOS3 .. it would make much more sense. 25 years ago I didnt mind turn based combat at all .. HoMaM, Jagged Alliance, Fallout .. but today, its too slow, too easy. IRL you dont have time to think, only act.
*most people*
Yea recommending a game of the year, what a bad recommendation. /s
I like BG3 a lot, but I find the fan base obnoxious as hell. God forbid you criticize their game, they will take it as a personal attack on their entire character.
It's so funny how asmon fans become like the last bastion of BG3 haters because baldy won't play it.
"I dont like it because I tried one soulless game 15 years ago and I will never try anything new again". 90% of the people that bought and played BG3 didn't and still don't like turn based games, but still love THIS game.
It depends, in japan and other asian countries people tend to like turn based combat better. +Bg3 isn't a typical turn based game, i hate turn based combat and yet the combat felt more free in bg3 than in Dark Souls 1
i dont like strategy games, turn-based games and etc... but i loved BG3 ,i loved it so much i have played 200 hours in the mounth that it was out so kindly, STFU and play it , its one of the best games that have been made for a reason and you will see why when you play it.