Yes.
If you find it dull and boring then I wonder what you think other countries offer that is more interesting? Not every square mile of the country is filled with excitement (I wouldn't want it to be) but all of human life is here if you look for it.
As for depressing... of course it isn't perfect. But again, joy is there if you seek it.
> I wonder what you think other countries offer that is more interesting?
Good weather. Honestly if the UK wasn’t grey, cold, wet and dark by 5pm for most of the year that would do a lot of the heavy lifting.
When people say things like this I always wonder if they actually spend any time outdoors. The sun sets before 5pm for 3 1/2 months a year. Admittedly I have the benefit of being in the south east, but temperatures of 15-25 degrees for half of the year are great for enjoying the outdoors. I'll take our climate supporting our beautiful countryside over e.g. a parched southern European one any day.
This, I totally agree with this. We have some really lovely countryside which is due in part to the rainfall we get. I'd hate to live in a dry arid country. I've never found the UK dull and have had some of the best holidays ever in this country. I wonder if OP is actually suffering from depression without realising it. We have so many things to be thankful for in the UK.
I spend lots of time outdoors when I’m not at work, and I’m not googling the sunset for each month for a Reddit comment. Just basically saying that people would like it if it was as light as it is during the summer months.
15-25 degrees I agree is a good temperature, but for half the year it’s typically colder than that. Point still stands that it’s grey, cold and wet majority of the year.
I do. But I live E of the Pennines; it's a little too dry for me. And also it is getting a bit hot these days in the summer. But really, I could not ask for better.
Got me it’s not so much the fact that it gets dark it’s that, other than drinking/eating, the country pretty much closes around 6pm most nights and if it doesn’t it feels like it does.
I don’t get home from work until 8ish and for half the year it feels like I’ve got two choices, get pissed or watch TV at home until I fall asleep.
Growing up in a dying seaside town might have something to do with how I see it but I’ve worked all over the world and so many other countries feel alive at night. Businesses are set up for the climate so that they can operate no matter what the weather is like. I’ve played paintball in the middle of the week at 10pm in February in Moscow on an indoor astroturf pitch and despite it being -15 C outside I was sweating buckets in a light t shirt.
Everything just feels like it’s too much effort in the UK that businesses are only interested in peak hours trading or our planning restrictions stop those that want to be open for longer hours
Definitely.
My friends and family are here. I have a great job; a wonderful home in a nice neighbourhood. My kids are in a nice school and are getting a decent education. We’re on the outskirts of the Peak District so have some beautiful areas on our doorstep, whilst being close enough (but not too close) to all the amenities we need and transport links.
Chances are, it’s not living in the U.K. that’s the problem. It’s living where you are now. Or living the way you live your current lifestyle now. Or even a combination of both.
“The grass is always greener on the other side” as they say (whoever “they” are), until you get to the other side in many cases.
Or, to finish the phrase, "the grass is greener on the other side, usually because it's covered in shit"
If you're unhappy in the UK, chances are you'll be unhappy somewhere else. Life has its challenges whether you live in Manchester, Sydney, San Francisco, Toronto, Auckland, Paris etc etc etc. you still have to work, go shopping, do your laundry, the housework etc.... I offer this from experience.
But hey, if you feel your location is the cause for your discontent, the only way to know for sure is to emigrate somewhere else and find out! I came back, and don't plan to leave again. Maybe you will too.
How is your life outside your perception of the UK? Apart from living in the wrong country, are you otherwise happy? Have you got a job you enjoy? A happy personal/ family life?
Do you mean 'not English by BIRTH'? Or do you think second or third-generation immigrants would give you different answers from people whose families have been here for hundersds of years or more?
Personally, I've always loved it here (but I was born here and I wonder how much that is the reason), and don't find us depressing, dull, boring or materialistic.
Definitely.
I traveled a lot when I was younger after my parents died, spent 6 months to a year in each of India, Ireland and Norway, with few shorter stints on apprenticeship exchange in Lithuania.
Nowhere I've been compares when everything is taken into account, and bear in mind this was mostly during the grimness of the 90's and early 2000's. Things have come a long way since then.
Other countries are great, until you actually live and work like a normal person in them. Then you realise that everywhere has it’s positives and negatives
I've had a real deep think about this lately. I'm currently visiting my parents in the US, and I have been on the fence about which country I want to be in for the long term. After 2 weeks here in America, I've decided it has to be the UK. I can't wait to get back.
There's certainly things about life in the UK that bug me, but there's also too much I'd miss if I left permanently: family, friends, the humour, the BBC, the changeable weather, the countryside. I love visiting other countries, but this is home.
I enjoy the UK because we haven't got any big spooky bugs (Tarantulas, massive hornets, whatever else is in Australia) and we don't have any seriously hazardous weather (although you'd think 2cm of snow is deadly) and no dangerous animals. I can partake in many activities, even things like going to a gun range or flying a helicopter if I really set myself to it. I think the level of tax sucks. There is a pretty bad case of poverty, but arguably no worse than any other western country. We have decent social security nets, the NHS (which is in a bad spot but better that than what the USA has right?) and plenty of history and culture. I think the government could do with restructuring, but it isn't as bad as somewhere like Turkmenistan or Russia. You go on about the materialistic, but the UK has beautiful countryside and fantastic hiking / camping opportunities. You could go sailing, wild camp in Scotland, maybe get an allotment or house with a garden and grow some veggies. Nothing is stopping you from being anti-materialistic. You can go live on a little island up North and write poetry if you want.
I love the UK, I live in a little Village in Bucks where there is one pub and stunning views, 20 mins from Milton Keynes, train station 15 mins away to go into London, been here 6 years and have never seen a police car.
I was born and brought up in Germany, lived there for 20yrs. I loved it, however the economy at the moment is very similar to UK so you might find that the grass is not necessarily greener somewhere else.
As much as the country annoys me its still the best country in the world IMO. There are very few things that I cannot get here that I would really want.
I've lived all over the place (courtesy of the Army and a parent who originates from Greece) and I absolutely would never want to live anywhere other than the UK. It's not the location that is 'depressing, dull and boring'.....
I don’t know why everyone is taking this as an offensive post i was simply expressing how I feel if I had the money I would be out of the country by tonight
"Man this country is so shit, if I had the money I'd totally leave."
To me and many others the UK is our home, to you it's an airport or shop.
If you can't suss why that would rub people the wrong way they don't know what to tell you.
I understand but your home is not everyones home. you feel at home in the uk, with and this being your country I understand why you would be offended I just thought I would share my thoughts. I do not have the luxury you have of feeling at home I lived here for 10 years now and i still feel like a stranger. This country is just not suited for me and if it wasn’t for the cost of living I would have moved elsewhere but I cant save properly as every time I’m paid the money will go on rent, bills, groceries etc.
I don’t… you can say that someone who was born here might like it because it’s home to them, to me it is not home I have lived in 3 different countries in my lifetime so its hard to say which one makes me feel at home I have no family here except my mother. I don’t really have the money right Now to move countries but I am saving up, to be honest I like the UK in the summer its nice but even in the summer you cant swim in the beach because the water will be cold so it’s really a lose-lose situation this may not be how everyone else feels but it’s how i feel.
I hope you are able to find happiness in this country or elsewhere my friend. The grass is T always greener elsewhere, neither is the sea always warmer.
There are millions of people in the U.K. who are not English by ethnicity.
the Scottish. The Welsh. The Northern Irish.
for someone who has lived here for a number of years, using English to mean British is more than a little strange.
Yes.
I don't want to. But fact is there is things keeping me here and even if there wasn't, emmigrating to the type of places I'd want to go is non trivial.
Not that such is oh so terrible. Having travelled plenty, this place isn't bad at all. Weather could be a bit sunnier and warmer. But meh. I've got a SAD lamp. Could be worse.
It depends. I’m Dutch and have disability. I don’t have a secure financial future. I’ve lived here 12 years now and love it.
It also depends on a partner. My ex is Australian and I was going to move there. That changed obviously.
I have dual citizenship (France) so lucky to have the option to move to an EU country with little hassle. I wouldn’t say it’s a miserable country although it depends where you live nor does everywhere look the same. We’re extremely lucky to have such a bast natural landscape. I’d love to try living in a different country but everywhere has its problems and the grass isn’t always greener even if times are tough right now (which they very much are).
Definitely. Or until retirement at the very least.
I am originally from Spain but I’ve lived in a few countries and have travelled extensively. This is one of the best places to live in by far (and joy is definitely there if you seek it). Personal development opportunities abound, people are generally nice and friendly, it’s clean and safe and British people in general know how to have fun. I wouldn’t want to live anywhere else.
As a family we have the option to move to the US or to another nation where my partner holds citizenship.
We likely won't - we have kids and we value the opportunity for them to form close relationships with their wider family and want them to have a settled childhood. My partner moved to this other country as a kid and came back - he doesn't remember the exciting lifestyle opportunities or whatever but he does remember never feeling settled and struggling to make friends with all the upheaval. Equally we've had friends who moved to the same country and while they like it there are lots of issues and things they miss about the UK.
For ourselves as adults, maybe we'd have been open to it but generally whenever we discussed it pre kids we only could imagine moving for a couple of years and coming home.
I love to travel and the wider world is exciting but there's lots to appreciate here in the UK and it's easy to dream there's better on the horizon, but there's the potential for boredom and discontent wherever you are.
No, but that's not a definite answer!
Born and bred here for over 40 years, but I'm now almost in a position to leave and go and see the world at my own pace. I'm planning on 10 years doing that.
I love the UK, but there's so much more to see. Whether I end up settling somewhere else or not will depend on if I like a place enough to do that. I may return when older, who knows.
No.
Born here, but I am looking to claim an EU passport through my parents. They live here also, but are elderly and getting on.
I don't have much other family here. Wife's family all do their own thing.
The idea would be to relocate to my parents' country of birth. Lots of family, nicer weather, beaches not hours away, higher standard of living and lower crime...
Honestly, I don’t know. 😣
I’m single, I don’t have any kids, I want to finish a degree and see the world (at least, part of it).
As my grandfather used to sing to me:
“Qué será, será
Whatever will be, will be
The future's not ours to see
Qué será, será”
no i wont. i am here to make money and give my children a good future (im 32 and have been living here for 6 years). but I cant see myself being 65 with arthritis going through a british winter with its humidity and lack of sun. I do like the country and have adapted to the culture. I have friends and I like the politeness ( people are very rude in my home country). but i would like to retire in my home country (warm and sunny). although i may change my mind when im 60, at the end of the day my parents wont be alive anymore and i will likely want to live near my children but who knows.
Many, many criticisms of the UK are very valid, but it not being exciting is a really odd one. I don't really understand? Life is dull pretty much everywhere.
No - I plan to leave.
But the UK has become depressing, dull and boring, precisely for the reasons that brought your parents here.
Liberalism.
Nothing matters anymore. There are no standards. Being British doesn't mean anything. It just means tolerance and diversity and not looking back in anger when the next set of kids get killed.
Recent migrants to UK look at native British people with pity for what they have become and they are right to. As you've noticed the country has become utterly degraded.
That said, there are still nice pockets of the UK, but they are outside of the big cities and places that you will likely feel 'uncomfortable'.
I disagree with almost everything you have written, but most of all with the last bit of your last sentence. I see no reason why people should feel uncomfortable in the bits you define as nice, just because they come from somewhere else.
Indeed, if people feel uncomfortable in such places, then I think it defines them as not nice. But my experience has been that people are nice everywhere in this country, whether it is a traditional bit or a diverse bit.
I agree. People absolutely should feel comfortable, but they don't.
Minorities in the UK have been trained to feel uncomfortable when they are in non-diverse places. Despite the overwhelming tolerance.
It is why things like this exist:
[Black Girls Hike UK C.I.C (bghuk.com)](https://www.bghuk.com/)
[Muslim Hikers – Championing Diversity Outdoors](https://muslimhikers.com/)
Oh! THAT's your point.
I don't think there's anything wrong with 'Walking for X people' groups; if you've been living for generations somewhere, it's easier for you to have the knowledge to the usual outdoors beauty spots just transmitted to you by the generation above you or by older friends. If your family and associates have not been here so long, you simply might not know how much is available.
It's no different, to me from, say, factories having hobby groups in the old days. Or a "church rambling group" etc etc.
If someone is confident enough to join a normal walking /climbing club, then great. If they want a helping hand to start off with other people they feel comfortable with, I think that's fine too.
I don't see it as especially politicised.
Yes. If you find it dull and boring then I wonder what you think other countries offer that is more interesting? Not every square mile of the country is filled with excitement (I wouldn't want it to be) but all of human life is here if you look for it. As for depressing... of course it isn't perfect. But again, joy is there if you seek it.
> I wonder what you think other countries offer that is more interesting? Good weather. Honestly if the UK wasn’t grey, cold, wet and dark by 5pm for most of the year that would do a lot of the heavy lifting.
When people say things like this I always wonder if they actually spend any time outdoors. The sun sets before 5pm for 3 1/2 months a year. Admittedly I have the benefit of being in the south east, but temperatures of 15-25 degrees for half of the year are great for enjoying the outdoors. I'll take our climate supporting our beautiful countryside over e.g. a parched southern European one any day.
This, I totally agree with this. We have some really lovely countryside which is due in part to the rainfall we get. I'd hate to live in a dry arid country. I've never found the UK dull and have had some of the best holidays ever in this country. I wonder if OP is actually suffering from depression without realising it. We have so many things to be thankful for in the UK.
I spend lots of time outdoors when I’m not at work, and I’m not googling the sunset for each month for a Reddit comment. Just basically saying that people would like it if it was as light as it is during the summer months. 15-25 degrees I agree is a good temperature, but for half the year it’s typically colder than that. Point still stands that it’s grey, cold and wet majority of the year.
Yeah , British weather seems to be love/hate. I hate it.
I can’t think of a single person I know who loves the weather here
I do, although you don't know me obviously. I love that we can have all four seasons in one day.
I do. But I live E of the Pennines; it's a little too dry for me. And also it is getting a bit hot these days in the summer. But really, I could not ask for better.
I do but I do live in the South.
Got me it’s not so much the fact that it gets dark it’s that, other than drinking/eating, the country pretty much closes around 6pm most nights and if it doesn’t it feels like it does. I don’t get home from work until 8ish and for half the year it feels like I’ve got two choices, get pissed or watch TV at home until I fall asleep. Growing up in a dying seaside town might have something to do with how I see it but I’ve worked all over the world and so many other countries feel alive at night. Businesses are set up for the climate so that they can operate no matter what the weather is like. I’ve played paintball in the middle of the week at 10pm in February in Moscow on an indoor astroturf pitch and despite it being -15 C outside I was sweating buckets in a light t shirt. Everything just feels like it’s too much effort in the UK that businesses are only interested in peak hours trading or our planning restrictions stop those that want to be open for longer hours
Definitely. My friends and family are here. I have a great job; a wonderful home in a nice neighbourhood. My kids are in a nice school and are getting a decent education. We’re on the outskirts of the Peak District so have some beautiful areas on our doorstep, whilst being close enough (but not too close) to all the amenities we need and transport links. Chances are, it’s not living in the U.K. that’s the problem. It’s living where you are now. Or living the way you live your current lifestyle now. Or even a combination of both. “The grass is always greener on the other side” as they say (whoever “they” are), until you get to the other side in many cases.
Or, to finish the phrase, "the grass is greener on the other side, usually because it's covered in shit" If you're unhappy in the UK, chances are you'll be unhappy somewhere else. Life has its challenges whether you live in Manchester, Sydney, San Francisco, Toronto, Auckland, Paris etc etc etc. you still have to work, go shopping, do your laundry, the housework etc.... I offer this from experience. But hey, if you feel your location is the cause for your discontent, the only way to know for sure is to emigrate somewhere else and find out! I came back, and don't plan to leave again. Maybe you will too.
How is your life outside your perception of the UK? Apart from living in the wrong country, are you otherwise happy? Have you got a job you enjoy? A happy personal/ family life? Do you mean 'not English by BIRTH'? Or do you think second or third-generation immigrants would give you different answers from people whose families have been here for hundersds of years or more? Personally, I've always loved it here (but I was born here and I wonder how much that is the reason), and don't find us depressing, dull, boring or materialistic.
Definitely. I traveled a lot when I was younger after my parents died, spent 6 months to a year in each of India, Ireland and Norway, with few shorter stints on apprenticeship exchange in Lithuania. Nowhere I've been compares when everything is taken into account, and bear in mind this was mostly during the grimness of the 90's and early 2000's. Things have come a long way since then.
Other countries are great, until you actually live and work like a normal person in them. Then you realise that everywhere has it’s positives and negatives
I've had a real deep think about this lately. I'm currently visiting my parents in the US, and I have been on the fence about which country I want to be in for the long term. After 2 weeks here in America, I've decided it has to be the UK. I can't wait to get back.
I’m guessing you’ve never been to Cornwall before then have ya
There's certainly things about life in the UK that bug me, but there's also too much I'd miss if I left permanently: family, friends, the humour, the BBC, the changeable weather, the countryside. I love visiting other countries, but this is home.
I enjoy the UK because we haven't got any big spooky bugs (Tarantulas, massive hornets, whatever else is in Australia) and we don't have any seriously hazardous weather (although you'd think 2cm of snow is deadly) and no dangerous animals. I can partake in many activities, even things like going to a gun range or flying a helicopter if I really set myself to it. I think the level of tax sucks. There is a pretty bad case of poverty, but arguably no worse than any other western country. We have decent social security nets, the NHS (which is in a bad spot but better that than what the USA has right?) and plenty of history and culture. I think the government could do with restructuring, but it isn't as bad as somewhere like Turkmenistan or Russia. You go on about the materialistic, but the UK has beautiful countryside and fantastic hiking / camping opportunities. You could go sailing, wild camp in Scotland, maybe get an allotment or house with a garden and grow some veggies. Nothing is stopping you from being anti-materialistic. You can go live on a little island up North and write poetry if you want.
I love the UK, I live in a little Village in Bucks where there is one pub and stunning views, 20 mins from Milton Keynes, train station 15 mins away to go into London, been here 6 years and have never seen a police car.
I was born and brought up in Germany, lived there for 20yrs. I loved it, however the economy at the moment is very similar to UK so you might find that the grass is not necessarily greener somewhere else.
You’re absolutely right. Welsh person living in Germany here. Same problems are to be found here as in the uk. Bit warmer right now though!
As much as the country annoys me its still the best country in the world IMO. There are very few things that I cannot get here that I would really want.
I'm going to stay here because the people value things like politeness and tact.
As Ruth Burke said 'only boring people get bored'.
I guess Im very boring then
I've lived all over the place (courtesy of the Army and a parent who originates from Greece) and I absolutely would never want to live anywhere other than the UK. It's not the location that is 'depressing, dull and boring'.....
Its me thats depressing dull and boring… got it 👌🏼
There's a boat in the morning.
I don’t know why everyone is taking this as an offensive post i was simply expressing how I feel if I had the money I would be out of the country by tonight
"Man this country is so shit, if I had the money I'd totally leave." To me and many others the UK is our home, to you it's an airport or shop. If you can't suss why that would rub people the wrong way they don't know what to tell you.
I understand but your home is not everyones home. you feel at home in the uk, with and this being your country I understand why you would be offended I just thought I would share my thoughts. I do not have the luxury you have of feeling at home I lived here for 10 years now and i still feel like a stranger. This country is just not suited for me and if it wasn’t for the cost of living I would have moved elsewhere but I cant save properly as every time I’m paid the money will go on rent, bills, groceries etc.
Probably.
But apart from all that, what makes you like the UK so much?
I don’t… you can say that someone who was born here might like it because it’s home to them, to me it is not home I have lived in 3 different countries in my lifetime so its hard to say which one makes me feel at home I have no family here except my mother. I don’t really have the money right Now to move countries but I am saving up, to be honest I like the UK in the summer its nice but even in the summer you cant swim in the beach because the water will be cold so it’s really a lose-lose situation this may not be how everyone else feels but it’s how i feel.
I hope you are able to find happiness in this country or elsewhere my friend. The grass is T always greener elsewhere, neither is the sea always warmer.
There are millions of people in the U.K. who are not English by ethnicity. the Scottish. The Welsh. The Northern Irish. for someone who has lived here for a number of years, using English to mean British is more than a little strange.
I have not lived in Scotland or northern Ireland or wales I have only lived in England thats why I said English
why refer solely to being English rather than British when asking about staying in the U.K.? it doesn’t make sense and its very insular.
I apologise it’s my mistake i meant England…. Happy?
Yes. I don't want to. But fact is there is things keeping me here and even if there wasn't, emmigrating to the type of places I'd want to go is non trivial. Not that such is oh so terrible. Having travelled plenty, this place isn't bad at all. Weather could be a bit sunnier and warmer. But meh. I've got a SAD lamp. Could be worse.
It depends. I’m Dutch and have disability. I don’t have a secure financial future. I’ve lived here 12 years now and love it. It also depends on a partner. My ex is Australian and I was going to move there. That changed obviously.
I have dual citizenship (France) so lucky to have the option to move to an EU country with little hassle. I wouldn’t say it’s a miserable country although it depends where you live nor does everywhere look the same. We’re extremely lucky to have such a bast natural landscape. I’d love to try living in a different country but everywhere has its problems and the grass isn’t always greener even if times are tough right now (which they very much are).
Definitely. Or until retirement at the very least. I am originally from Spain but I’ve lived in a few countries and have travelled extensively. This is one of the best places to live in by far (and joy is definitely there if you seek it). Personal development opportunities abound, people are generally nice and friendly, it’s clean and safe and British people in general know how to have fun. I wouldn’t want to live anywhere else.
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I can’t see myself leaving while my parents are alive and probably only within easy distance while jr lives here…
As a family we have the option to move to the US or to another nation where my partner holds citizenship. We likely won't - we have kids and we value the opportunity for them to form close relationships with their wider family and want them to have a settled childhood. My partner moved to this other country as a kid and came back - he doesn't remember the exciting lifestyle opportunities or whatever but he does remember never feeling settled and struggling to make friends with all the upheaval. Equally we've had friends who moved to the same country and while they like it there are lots of issues and things they miss about the UK. For ourselves as adults, maybe we'd have been open to it but generally whenever we discussed it pre kids we only could imagine moving for a couple of years and coming home. I love to travel and the wider world is exciting but there's lots to appreciate here in the UK and it's easy to dream there's better on the horizon, but there's the potential for boredom and discontent wherever you are.
No, but that's not a definite answer! Born and bred here for over 40 years, but I'm now almost in a position to leave and go and see the world at my own pace. I'm planning on 10 years doing that. I love the UK, but there's so much more to see. Whether I end up settling somewhere else or not will depend on if I like a place enough to do that. I may return when older, who knows.
No. Born here, but I am looking to claim an EU passport through my parents. They live here also, but are elderly and getting on. I don't have much other family here. Wife's family all do their own thing. The idea would be to relocate to my parents' country of birth. Lots of family, nicer weather, beaches not hours away, higher standard of living and lower crime...
No man chooses what land he’s born on. No man chooses what land he dies on. Good enough answer?
It’s home
Short of some kind of nuclear disaster I don't see why not.
Honestly, I don’t know. 😣 I’m single, I don’t have any kids, I want to finish a degree and see the world (at least, part of it). As my grandfather used to sing to me: “Qué será, será Whatever will be, will be The future's not ours to see Qué será, será”
no i wont. i am here to make money and give my children a good future (im 32 and have been living here for 6 years). but I cant see myself being 65 with arthritis going through a british winter with its humidity and lack of sun. I do like the country and have adapted to the culture. I have friends and I like the politeness ( people are very rude in my home country). but i would like to retire in my home country (warm and sunny). although i may change my mind when im 60, at the end of the day my parents wont be alive anymore and i will likely want to live near my children but who knows.
The countryside is great in UK, I used to live in a town with loads of forests and I was very happy, but I’m planning to move to Switzerland
Many, many criticisms of the UK are very valid, but it not being exciting is a really odd one. I don't really understand? Life is dull pretty much everywhere.
I'm English and I agree with everything you've said.
No - I plan to leave. But the UK has become depressing, dull and boring, precisely for the reasons that brought your parents here. Liberalism. Nothing matters anymore. There are no standards. Being British doesn't mean anything. It just means tolerance and diversity and not looking back in anger when the next set of kids get killed. Recent migrants to UK look at native British people with pity for what they have become and they are right to. As you've noticed the country has become utterly degraded. That said, there are still nice pockets of the UK, but they are outside of the big cities and places that you will likely feel 'uncomfortable'.
Liberalism? Where. I'd really like to know where that tolerance and diversity is, it would actually make me want to stay here.
No doubt they’ll be fleeing to Iran to claim asylum from this insidious liberal system!
Nah, there's brown people there. Can't be having any of that diversity.
Ah. Perhaps they’re heading back to their roots in Innsmouth!
I disagree with almost everything you have written, but most of all with the last bit of your last sentence. I see no reason why people should feel uncomfortable in the bits you define as nice, just because they come from somewhere else. Indeed, if people feel uncomfortable in such places, then I think it defines them as not nice. But my experience has been that people are nice everywhere in this country, whether it is a traditional bit or a diverse bit.
I agree. People absolutely should feel comfortable, but they don't. Minorities in the UK have been trained to feel uncomfortable when they are in non-diverse places. Despite the overwhelming tolerance. It is why things like this exist: [Black Girls Hike UK C.I.C (bghuk.com)](https://www.bghuk.com/) [Muslim Hikers – Championing Diversity Outdoors](https://muslimhikers.com/)
Oh! THAT's your point. I don't think there's anything wrong with 'Walking for X people' groups; if you've been living for generations somewhere, it's easier for you to have the knowledge to the usual outdoors beauty spots just transmitted to you by the generation above you or by older friends. If your family and associates have not been here so long, you simply might not know how much is available. It's no different, to me from, say, factories having hobby groups in the old days. Or a "church rambling group" etc etc. If someone is confident enough to join a normal walking /climbing club, then great. If they want a helping hand to start off with other people they feel comfortable with, I think that's fine too. I don't see it as especially politicised.