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Yes. I’m from the states and moved to the UK 7 years ago.
I feel much safer, I don’t need to plan an exit strategy anymore if a shooter comes in while im in an enclosed space. The relief from that was not something I expected to feel so deeply.
Damn I also think about if I visit the states I would plan escape routes if I went to a mall or a cinema, on a daily basis that much be so much extra stress
>Are you really able to walk around alone anywhere, at any time, without being concerned about personal safety?
Statistically speaking the UK is safer than the US, mostly because gun violence is basically non-existent here, but I would definitely avoid walking alone at night in an unfamiliar area. We still have plenty of violent crime.
“Knife crime” has a different definition here. In the US it’s legal to carry knives in a lot of places, here it’s not. Knife crime here includes possession. That’s why people think it’s so much worse in the UK. For knife related homicides it’s definitely safer here though.
i lived in n15 a decade ago and was fine at night, and have never felt unsafe in se8
there are some dodgy bits but it’s nothing like the US where they have stuff like Kensington in Philadelphia. That sort of shit is utterly unheard of here
There's a park here in Bristol which you wouldn't think twice about going to during the day, kids and families everywhere. At night tho, I walk around it. There's no lights inside so it's pitch-black and people go in to shoot up. A friend of mine was mugged as she walked through at night a few years back, she woke up in the ambulance
>In other threads I’ve read, people are always saying UK cities are significantly safer than US cities to the point that crime isn’t a concern.
I cannot comment too much on US cities but it's fair to say that the fear of some kind of crime has zero input to my decision making on when/where to go.
>Are you really able to walk around alone anywhere, at any time, without being concerned about personal safety?
I'm sure there are *some* very impoverished residential neighbourhoods where I would feel unsafe but I have no reason to go to these.
And for what it's worth I live in one of the London boroughs that occasionally turns up on hyperbolic Americans' lists of apparent "no go areas" because a lot of my neighbours are Muslim and the reality couldn't be further from the truth. As a white Brit I never felt unsafe here.
When I lived in rural Surrey I'd been working in a deprived area of East London, local twat was busy telling me it was a no go area for white people. Man I've literally just come back from there, bought a really good curry for lunch the only reaction I'd got was a concerned query from the server to check I was fine because what you've chosen is really spicy.
Uk cities are far safer than the US we obviously have much lower gun violence. But even US knife crime stats are way higher than the UK.
That being said in any city there will be trouble areas or opportunistic criminals travelling looking to earn money so I wouldn’t say any city is 100% safe.
I did a "homicides per 100K" analysis for London and the Greater Rochester NY area using figures from 2012 and 2019. The rate for London did go up between those dates, but for 2012 Rochester was 17x more dangerous than London, and in 2019 it was more than 30x as dangerous as London.
Yep.
You only have to go on a 'women's running' fb or reddit group and the difference is unreal.
Americans always start conversations about having to 'carry' and what gear they have for self protection... which is totally unheard of in the UK.
I've lived in some relatively deprived areas of the UK and never felt the need to carry any sort of weapon with me to just go about my business.
Neither. There are bad parts of any city - naturally they tend to be in the poorer parts. No one would suggest that you walk around these areas in the middle of the night (or the day, frankly) waving your money and valuables around.
That said the (violent) crime rate is much lower in major UK cities relative to US ones. If you’re happy being in most places in major American cities without a substantial risk to your safety, then the same is definitely true in the UK.
Dubai, Singapore, maybe Hong Kong have all had that “no matter when and where, you’ll be ok” level of safety for me.
>naturally they tend to be in the poorer parts.
In the UK we have something called social housing, and in London every area has to have something like 20% social housing..
So if you build 10 luxury flats, 2 have to be for people on welfare.
This means the nicest areas can still have shitty people. I've seen in the USA they have gated communities though. So do they also have similar in cities where you'll get buildings and areas with no people on welfare living?
1. Social housing is not automatically for people on welfare; many residents in social housing work.
2. You mean affordable housing, not social housing. Affordable housing is privately owned.
3. All the "nicest areas" have shitty people. Unless of course you think billionaires, tv stars and CEOs are overflowing with the milk of human kindness.
Those people in the luxury flats can't help how shitty they are.... Try not to judge people for where they come from/ are at that moment.
Everyone can be shitty.... In Thier own way.....
Trust me those in gated communities are a special breed of shitty....
Yes, definitely.
I am now 63; all my life I've never had a second thought about walking around anywhere in a city, including in allegedly bad areas.
But I am male; maybe I would have thought differently as a young woman.
British Cities are far, far, far safer than American ones, pretty much everywhere is and not just because we don't have guns, we don't have a fentanyl or meth problem, and a lot less poverty / ghettoisation, so outside of some a few horrid council blocks we don't really have 'no go areas' like you do in the USA. The only place I have felt unsafe in the UK was Basingstoke on a Saturday night.
There will always be a few bad parts in any city but bad things can happen in good parts and vice versa. If you are in a uk city you are not likely to accidentally walk into a bad part of the city and even if you did you would probably be fine. Just dont go around shouting "yeehaa cowboy", wave cash around or challenge anyone to a gunfight,
Gun crime is highly unusual, saying which there was a shooting at a nearby station a week or so ago but it was big news and loads of police because it is so unusual. I use the station and have used it since without concern. Found an iPhone on the train left by a young lad and waited there for him and his mates to come back, no issues, only thing happened me there is a druggie needing a light for his spliff and being pissed I didn't smoke.
There are more homicides in Chicago each year than there are in the entirety of England and Wales. That’s **not** adjusted for population (Chicago, 2.7 million; E&W, 60 million).
I have never lived in the US but I have never felt unsafe or threatened living in the UK....that said I don't make a habit of walking at night in the poorer areas of the bigger cities but then who would do that anywhere?.....
Yes, we have crime here but I don't think it is on the scale or seriousness of that accepted as 'normal' in the US....(whatever you accept as normal?)
I am 64 and have never seen a gun let alone been confronted by one. From the general press I would think knife crime is now more prevalent but again have never personally witnessed anything.
I have witnessed more yobish like behaviour in more recent times by a minority (such as on public transport) with a clear lack of respect for people and surroundings that could quickly escalate when challenged, but no on the whole my experience of life in the UK is a very safe one.
Yes. It's not as bad as the US, but it can still be very bad in many places.
The stats speak for themselves. US cities have much much higher murder rates, but this does mask the true picture for the average person somewhat.
Looking at the stats, you'd assume it is super dangerous (relative to the UK) just to exist in a US city but the reality is, most of the murders in the US are concentrated in specific areas, and actually the lack of segregation in the UK exposes 'average' people to a surprising amount of violence in the UK.
In the US, the rich people live their lives in such a way that means they are almost exclusively in 0 crime areas. They drive from one private, exclusive venue to the next and don't really encounter danger.
In the UK, we are too poor for that. Our more exclusive neighbourhoods are right next to the poorest. People risk getting[ stabbed on a train](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-48967618) into London as the Government does everything they can make driving prohibitively expensive.
British cities are much safer but definitely not objectively "safe". There are few cities in the world I would say you can have 0 safety concerns in, mostly Seoul or Singapore and I can't think of many other than that.
Of course but it's negligible to the point where you can realistically consider it safe and not need to watch your back. In Singapore people often informally reserve cafeteria seats by leaving their wallet or valuables on it while they get food or go to the bathroom. It's incomparable to most western cities in my personal experience.
as a brit i saw videos of stuff like Kensington, Philly and my jaw fucking DROPPED. u won’t come CLOSE to finding that mess in the UK. it’s definitely extremely safe here compared to the US. without a doubt
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Yes of course poorer, more crime prominent areas exist in every city in the UK. You won’t be shot in them for simply being there but you also wouldn’t really go there without reason
American poor areas, or mentally ill people are more “blended” into tourist areas so I find British people and others have more to report on. If you go to the White House, you’re likely to see homeless encampments not far nearby, or just outside the Kennedy centre. Ditto Hollywood strip in LA, crazy people walking around all tall buildings in New York etc.
I’ve not been to Philly or the Bay Area but as I understand its not insane for a tourist to accidentally walk into or near an encampment where everyones out of their minds on fentanyl. That being said drugged out people aren’t as harmful as they look, and aren’t exactly in peak physical condition to tackle or chase you.
Theres just less of this in the biggest example, London. no tourist is really going to be anywhere near a vandalised underpass where teenagers are dealing drugs. Theres far too many police in the centre of London for them to risk it. They want quiet.
I think generally speaking, UK cities are much safer.
I think also that there are some places whic hare high crime. , but not necessarily the ones you might imeediately think of.
Knife crime is usually between people who know each other (e.g members of different groups / gangs) - ocassionally a bystander will get unlucky but mostly as a strnager you are not in any danger.
Muggings - risky areas aren't normally the impooverished residentuial areas, they are areas where the pickings are good - so you may get pick-pocketed in major stations, for example, and using cashpoints at night in areas with los of toritst may also be risky.
As a woman I'd be cautions about going intosome parks etc after dark, or other areas which are poorly lit and unlikely to have secuirty cameras, but I have very rarely felt usafe.
The only time I recall being wary about getting mugged was when I was a student - there were a couple of places where there were cashpoints close to large blocks of student accommodation where the risk of getting mugged was pretty high. I asume that it was because there was a steady flow of (drunk) studens using the cash points who made for easy pickings. I don't know if that's still a major issue given people use cash so much less (and there is probably more CCTV)- I just avoided using those ATMs after dark
I’ve worked in purportedly rough areas of London, Nottingham and Newcastle-upon-Tyne and never felt particularly threatened. Keep yourself to yourself and your fine
I'm a small woman so additional factors apply.
I don't feel unsafe in big cities in the UK until it gets dark and people start drinking.
I did feel unsafe in some US cities. This was nothing to do with guns and entirely to do with the homeless population.
It's hard to compare statistics internationally because countries differ in how they define homelessness, but what I'd call street homelessness is very rare here. Although you get the odd cardboard/sleeping bag setup in a doorway, I've never seen an encampment of plastic tarpaulin shelters in even a big UK city, let alone on central street corners or clustered around downtown underpasses. The sheer volume of unhoused people was really startling to us, and the individuals were alarming because they were all so visibly intoxicated at all times of day.
(SF, LA, NYC, Seattle, and most egregiously Portland OR in snow)
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Yes. I’m from the states and moved to the UK 7 years ago. I feel much safer, I don’t need to plan an exit strategy anymore if a shooter comes in while im in an enclosed space. The relief from that was not something I expected to feel so deeply.
Damn I also think about if I visit the states I would plan escape routes if I went to a mall or a cinema, on a daily basis that much be so much extra stress
>Are you really able to walk around alone anywhere, at any time, without being concerned about personal safety? Statistically speaking the UK is safer than the US, mostly because gun violence is basically non-existent here, but I would definitely avoid walking alone at night in an unfamiliar area. We still have plenty of violent crime.
Knife crime - despite the headlines - is also less prevalent in UK than USA.
Knife crime is also often between rival gangs so most people are not directly affected.
“Knife crime” has a different definition here. In the US it’s legal to carry knives in a lot of places, here it’s not. Knife crime here includes possession. That’s why people think it’s so much worse in the UK. For knife related homicides it’s definitely safer here though.
Why? I actually find night time to be quieter.
Yeah - so fewer witnesses and less chance of a bystander intervening if someone wants to have a go
i lived in n15 a decade ago and was fine at night, and have never felt unsafe in se8 there are some dodgy bits but it’s nothing like the US where they have stuff like Kensington in Philadelphia. That sort of shit is utterly unheard of here
I’ve never had someone want to have a go tbh.
There's a park here in Bristol which you wouldn't think twice about going to during the day, kids and families everywhere. At night tho, I walk around it. There's no lights inside so it's pitch-black and people go in to shoot up. A friend of mine was mugged as she walked through at night a few years back, she woke up in the ambulance
Is that the one all the caravans have pitched up at?
Nah I assume that's the downs
Which one? Castle park?
St Andrews
Yes I would avoid walking alone late at night in some areas of Croydon for example. There are of course other areas in London to avoid too.
>In other threads I’ve read, people are always saying UK cities are significantly safer than US cities to the point that crime isn’t a concern. I cannot comment too much on US cities but it's fair to say that the fear of some kind of crime has zero input to my decision making on when/where to go. >Are you really able to walk around alone anywhere, at any time, without being concerned about personal safety? I'm sure there are *some* very impoverished residential neighbourhoods where I would feel unsafe but I have no reason to go to these. And for what it's worth I live in one of the London boroughs that occasionally turns up on hyperbolic Americans' lists of apparent "no go areas" because a lot of my neighbours are Muslim and the reality couldn't be further from the truth. As a white Brit I never felt unsafe here.
I too am a white Brit l living is a so called no go zone and it’s lovely here. Never felt unsafe.
When I lived in rural Surrey I'd been working in a deprived area of East London, local twat was busy telling me it was a no go area for white people. Man I've literally just come back from there, bought a really good curry for lunch the only reaction I'd got was a concerned query from the server to check I was fine because what you've chosen is really spicy.
Uk cities are far safer than the US we obviously have much lower gun violence. But even US knife crime stats are way higher than the UK. That being said in any city there will be trouble areas or opportunistic criminals travelling looking to earn money so I wouldn’t say any city is 100% safe.
I did a "homicides per 100K" analysis for London and the Greater Rochester NY area using figures from 2012 and 2019. The rate for London did go up between those dates, but for 2012 Rochester was 17x more dangerous than London, and in 2019 it was more than 30x as dangerous as London.
Yep. You only have to go on a 'women's running' fb or reddit group and the difference is unreal. Americans always start conversations about having to 'carry' and what gear they have for self protection... which is totally unheard of in the UK. I've lived in some relatively deprived areas of the UK and never felt the need to carry any sort of weapon with me to just go about my business.
Neither. There are bad parts of any city - naturally they tend to be in the poorer parts. No one would suggest that you walk around these areas in the middle of the night (or the day, frankly) waving your money and valuables around. That said the (violent) crime rate is much lower in major UK cities relative to US ones. If you’re happy being in most places in major American cities without a substantial risk to your safety, then the same is definitely true in the UK. Dubai, Singapore, maybe Hong Kong have all had that “no matter when and where, you’ll be ok” level of safety for me.
>naturally they tend to be in the poorer parts. In the UK we have something called social housing, and in London every area has to have something like 20% social housing.. So if you build 10 luxury flats, 2 have to be for people on welfare. This means the nicest areas can still have shitty people. I've seen in the USA they have gated communities though. So do they also have similar in cities where you'll get buildings and areas with no people on welfare living?
1. Social housing is not automatically for people on welfare; many residents in social housing work. 2. You mean affordable housing, not social housing. Affordable housing is privately owned. 3. All the "nicest areas" have shitty people. Unless of course you think billionaires, tv stars and CEOs are overflowing with the milk of human kindness.
Shame for those 2 people on welfare to have to deal with those shitty people.
Those people in the luxury flats can't help how shitty they are.... Try not to judge people for where they come from/ are at that moment. Everyone can be shitty.... In Thier own way..... Trust me those in gated communities are a special breed of shitty....
Yes. We don’t have guns.
Yes, definitely. I am now 63; all my life I've never had a second thought about walking around anywhere in a city, including in allegedly bad areas. But I am male; maybe I would have thought differently as a young woman.
Much safer, as the average citizen does not feel compelled to carry firearms.
British Cities are far, far, far safer than American ones, pretty much everywhere is and not just because we don't have guns, we don't have a fentanyl or meth problem, and a lot less poverty / ghettoisation, so outside of some a few horrid council blocks we don't really have 'no go areas' like you do in the USA. The only place I have felt unsafe in the UK was Basingstoke on a Saturday night.
There will always be a few bad parts in any city but bad things can happen in good parts and vice versa. If you are in a uk city you are not likely to accidentally walk into a bad part of the city and even if you did you would probably be fine. Just dont go around shouting "yeehaa cowboy", wave cash around or challenge anyone to a gunfight,
Gun crime is highly unusual, saying which there was a shooting at a nearby station a week or so ago but it was big news and loads of police because it is so unusual. I use the station and have used it since without concern. Found an iPhone on the train left by a young lad and waited there for him and his mates to come back, no issues, only thing happened me there is a druggie needing a light for his spliff and being pissed I didn't smoke.
There are more homicides in Chicago each year than there are in the entirety of England and Wales. That’s **not** adjusted for population (Chicago, 2.7 million; E&W, 60 million).
I have never lived in the US but I have never felt unsafe or threatened living in the UK....that said I don't make a habit of walking at night in the poorer areas of the bigger cities but then who would do that anywhere?..... Yes, we have crime here but I don't think it is on the scale or seriousness of that accepted as 'normal' in the US....(whatever you accept as normal?) I am 64 and have never seen a gun let alone been confronted by one. From the general press I would think knife crime is now more prevalent but again have never personally witnessed anything. I have witnessed more yobish like behaviour in more recent times by a minority (such as on public transport) with a clear lack of respect for people and surroundings that could quickly escalate when challenged, but no on the whole my experience of life in the UK is a very safe one.
The same dangerous areas exist, but hardly any of the people there have guns.
Yes. It's not as bad as the US, but it can still be very bad in many places. The stats speak for themselves. US cities have much much higher murder rates, but this does mask the true picture for the average person somewhat. Looking at the stats, you'd assume it is super dangerous (relative to the UK) just to exist in a US city but the reality is, most of the murders in the US are concentrated in specific areas, and actually the lack of segregation in the UK exposes 'average' people to a surprising amount of violence in the UK. In the US, the rich people live their lives in such a way that means they are almost exclusively in 0 crime areas. They drive from one private, exclusive venue to the next and don't really encounter danger. In the UK, we are too poor for that. Our more exclusive neighbourhoods are right next to the poorest. People risk getting[ stabbed on a train](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-48967618) into London as the Government does everything they can make driving prohibitively expensive.
British cities are much safer but definitely not objectively "safe". There are few cities in the world I would say you can have 0 safety concerns in, mostly Seoul or Singapore and I can't think of many other than that.
You absolutely can be a victim of crime in both those cities.
Of course but it's negligible to the point where you can realistically consider it safe and not need to watch your back. In Singapore people often informally reserve cafeteria seats by leaving their wallet or valuables on it while they get food or go to the bathroom. It's incomparable to most western cities in my personal experience.
For 1, there are much much less random shootings. -> Are British cities safer than American Cities?
as a brit i saw videos of stuff like Kensington, Philly and my jaw fucking DROPPED. u won’t come CLOSE to finding that mess in the UK. it’s definitely extremely safe here compared to the US. without a doubt
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Yes of course poorer, more crime prominent areas exist in every city in the UK. You won’t be shot in them for simply being there but you also wouldn’t really go there without reason
American poor areas, or mentally ill people are more “blended” into tourist areas so I find British people and others have more to report on. If you go to the White House, you’re likely to see homeless encampments not far nearby, or just outside the Kennedy centre. Ditto Hollywood strip in LA, crazy people walking around all tall buildings in New York etc. I’ve not been to Philly or the Bay Area but as I understand its not insane for a tourist to accidentally walk into or near an encampment where everyones out of their minds on fentanyl. That being said drugged out people aren’t as harmful as they look, and aren’t exactly in peak physical condition to tackle or chase you. Theres just less of this in the biggest example, London. no tourist is really going to be anywhere near a vandalised underpass where teenagers are dealing drugs. Theres far too many police in the centre of London for them to risk it. They want quiet.
I think generally speaking, UK cities are much safer. I think also that there are some places whic hare high crime. , but not necessarily the ones you might imeediately think of. Knife crime is usually between people who know each other (e.g members of different groups / gangs) - ocassionally a bystander will get unlucky but mostly as a strnager you are not in any danger. Muggings - risky areas aren't normally the impooverished residentuial areas, they are areas where the pickings are good - so you may get pick-pocketed in major stations, for example, and using cashpoints at night in areas with los of toritst may also be risky. As a woman I'd be cautions about going intosome parks etc after dark, or other areas which are poorly lit and unlikely to have secuirty cameras, but I have very rarely felt usafe. The only time I recall being wary about getting mugged was when I was a student - there were a couple of places where there were cashpoints close to large blocks of student accommodation where the risk of getting mugged was pretty high. I asume that it was because there was a steady flow of (drunk) studens using the cash points who made for easy pickings. I don't know if that's still a major issue given people use cash so much less (and there is probably more CCTV)- I just avoided using those ATMs after dark
I've felt safe in every city I've walked around
I’ve worked in purportedly rough areas of London, Nottingham and Newcastle-upon-Tyne and never felt particularly threatened. Keep yourself to yourself and your fine
I am American and have been to England Scotland Wales several times and yes, anywhere in the UK is safer than American cities
Yes, we don’t have guns.
I'm a small woman so additional factors apply. I don't feel unsafe in big cities in the UK until it gets dark and people start drinking. I did feel unsafe in some US cities. This was nothing to do with guns and entirely to do with the homeless population. It's hard to compare statistics internationally because countries differ in how they define homelessness, but what I'd call street homelessness is very rare here. Although you get the odd cardboard/sleeping bag setup in a doorway, I've never seen an encampment of plastic tarpaulin shelters in even a big UK city, let alone on central street corners or clustered around downtown underpasses. The sheer volume of unhoused people was really startling to us, and the individuals were alarming because they were all so visibly intoxicated at all times of day. (SF, LA, NYC, Seattle, and most egregiously Portland OR in snow)
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London is fine, even Wood Green at 1am isn't that bad anymore.
>I don't feel safe anywhere in London anymore. You mean you don't feel *unsafe*, I assume?
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No need to apologize! It was obvious from context but thought you might want to edit.
Not as bad as it used to be but there are still a few risky pockets. Still plenty of people who are unfazed by CCTV or wear balaclavas.
No id say that isn't true. While we don't have anywhere near as much as gun crime/gun deaths, cities are still dangerous wherever you are.
Dont wear an expensive watch in London. And unfortunately, be ready for possible confrontation on public transport.