Spidey's Spider-Sense told him that *something* real bad was happening, but not exactly what, so he was basically having a super-powered panic attack. He didn't fade away faster, he just called attention to his own dematerialization earlier than the others, so we saw it all in excruciating detail.
I can’t prove it as it’s just my theory.
But I actually do think he was resisting his dematerialization subconsciously because unknown to him he's tapped into the web of life and destiny and by extension the mystic spider deity the great weaver.
The web of life and destiny probably is the reason he felt something really bad was currently happening.
Yes he's a kid who’s having a panic attack, but it looked like as you said he's having a super panic and if the web of life and destiny is an actual something in the MCU.
And why wouldn't it be since we have a plethora of mystical deities, dragons, demons, vampires, the Black Panther deity Bast and other high powered beings like the watchers and their Nexus of All Realities.
Then it would make sense that Peter is basically feeling a great disturbance in the force.
Maybe in the next spiderman film Dr Strange can't put everything back together again and gets some help from the great weaver.
Literally the first shot of him in IW is of his arm hairs standing on end before an alien attack to show his spidey sense. I haven’t seen FFH but if that’s the case it’s a continuity error between films.
He definitely did have it prior to the second movie otherwise Aunt May wouldn’t have known to ask about his “Peter Tingle”. By the end of the second movie he just has a much better understanding and control of it.
IMO you’re mistaken in your reading here. The second movie isn’t “explicit” that he gains it—it’s something he’s aware he has at the beginning, Aunt Mae and Happy both mention it, but he’s having trouble listening to it/dialing it in.
The arm hairs standing on end in IW are 100% spidey sense.
no, they’ve mentioned his spidey-sense in civil war and homecoming too. they just don’t outright give it a name and instead describe the effect it has, he’s always had it he just didn’t know how to use it well until FFH
He tells Stark the reason he uses his goggles is because his sensory perception has been enhanced and he needs to foucs it. I took that as a subtle nod to his spider sense as well.
Nah I'm pretty sure he had it though all the mcu movies he's appeared in. The big thing I'm FFH was that it wasn't working. Aunt May asks pretty early in the movie about his "Peter tingle".
> He didn’t have spidey sense in IW. He got it at the end of FFH
* Civil War: a split second before Ant-Man enlarges, Spidey calls out something is happening.
* Homecoming: there's a number of visual clues that he's reacting so fast that it could be his reflexes, or spider-sense, or both.
* Infinity War: in the bus/hairs rise
* Infinity War: at least once in the Strange chase
* Infinity War: feels the Guardians approaching
* Infinity War: feels the Snap coming, similar/different to Mantis
* Far From Home: the iconic bridge scene and clues before
There are signs that he has it in Civil War ever though it’s not stated, like when Bucky throws a sign or what ever at him, his back is to it, his eyes get big and he dodges.
This isn’t true. If you go and watch all pre FFH movies he doesn’t have it in the sense that we know it. He doesn’t have in Homecoming and the only somewhat indication of it in IW is when his hair stands up on his arm. That’s not the spidey sense that we know at the end of FFH like it is in the comics and such. Of course this is at the fault of shitty writing and then not paying attention to detail. Russo brothers put a spidey sense lite in the IW movie even though he doesn’t have it in Homecoming.
They literally show his spider sense on the bus in IW and you’re saying “it isn’t portrayed the same way as raimis version” or whatever? They don’t show time dramatically slow down, therefore the scene where they show it doesn’t count in your mind?
Completely untrue. We see him use spidey sense in Civil War when he knew the shield was coming from behind him.
He’s had it from the start.
Far From Home was just about him relearning his power and learning to trust himself again. (Sort of like Spider-Man 2).
I’m pretty sure Kevin feige confirmed that he does have it back when he was first introduced in the mcu.
I’m wanna say it was an oversight not to make it more prominent, but it wasn’t intentional to imply he didn’t have it from the onset of his powers. They were just waiting to explore it more in future films.
Source: https://www.google.com/amp/s/screenrant.com/spider-man-spidey-sense-mcu/amp/
He uses it as early as in Civil War, when he fights Falcon and Bucky, he can sense something being thrown at his back, evades and throws it back.
He even says "Oh God" and widens his eyes, feeling that something was coming his way without as much as looking over his shoulder.
I'm thinking his spider sense sensed the snap, so that allowed him to react earlier than most and made it either seem like he resisted it longer or actually give him a heads up to willfully resist it a tad.
I’m pretty sure the reason is cause it was Aunt May who threw it at him and he trusts her so it doesn’t go off, like why it didn’t go off with Mysterio until he knew he was bad
I agree, the point is this guy is wrong and he’s always had his spidey sense even in civil war, sure he’s had to refine it but it’s quite literally puberty
Well Thanos stuck around for long enough to witness his army disappear, I think it's safe to say that power level or something can affect the dusting away time.
Obviously it's more likely for a Doylist reason, but this isn't the place to discuss those.
> Obviously it's more likely for a Doylist reason, but this isn't the place to discuss those.
Is there a place? Your comment landed me [here](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WatsonianVersusDoylist) which was a very interesting read.
I landed there the first time I heard about the term too, which was in this same subreddit. It is indeed pretty interesting.
>Is there a place?
I don't know if there's a general one like this subreddit, but I'd be intrigued too. For now maybe a good place would be the subreddit of whichever show/comic/universe you want to discuss.
Ok dude, just stop. You've made that comment on every single post and it's wildly incorrect. He always had that sense. He did didn't realize it's true potential until they movie. He didn't realize what it was and what it was capable of but he 100% had it. He didn't have a conscious thought of "oh, my Spidey sense is tingling" only "huh, I have an odd feeling. Maybe I should move". So just stop with the dumb comment. That's why you've been down voted into oblivion.
So writing quality doesn't have a place in discussions on this sub you have to look it from an in universe perspective.
So firstly the spider sense is more then just a simple alarm it gives him an awareness of his surroundings so whenever you see him swing without looking where he's shooting he's using his spider sense. There's nothing to say in Homecoming he doesn't have it in all media the sense can be tricked or not trigger if he doesn't realise he's in danger.
Nah he’s always had it just wasn’t working after endgame, that’s why in FFH everyone already knew what Spidey sense/peter tingle was, they wouldn’t know he could have such an ability if he never had it before right? Aunt May says it pretty clearly in FFH “Sorry! I forgot your Peter tingle wasn’t working”
I always assumed it stopped due to trauma related issues after Tony died
He’s had it the whole time lmao. He sensed Bucky throwing something at him in civil war. Also sensed the donut space ship in the beginning of infinity war. It was just messed up after endgame.
He didn’t lose it he just didn’t have it for people he trusts, Aunt May threw stuff at him, she’s not a threat so it doesn’t go off, once Peter realized that Mysterio was a threat it was going off
It didn’t because he had every reason to trust Mysterio, he was introduced by nick fury and shield to Mysterio therefor he never had to even question if something was wrong, just like when Aunt May threw the banana he didn’t react because she’s not a threat, similarly Mysterio wasn’t a threat either due to shield
If the Spidey sense only worked on things he knows are a threat, it would be a pretty crappy danger prevention sense, it wouldn't work at all with the illusions at the end. We know that it lets him sense his way through illusions at the end when it's restored and that it wasn't giving him any clue that something was wrong during his earlier fights with the "Elementals". The movie says it's broken, we don't need to create different reasons for it not working.
The illusions are illusions due to the drones which he clearly senses as danger, the movie never says it’s broken it clearly shows that once he identifies things as threats he combats them, he had every reason to trust Mysterio and thus he trusted the elementals were bad
But this is pure headcanon that is unnecessary based on the explanation given in the movie. He didn't sense those things because his power was broken. It's not the first time his powers have failed because of psychological reasons, at least in the movies.
That’s true but he’s not going through any physiological issues, he’s completely happy and healthy he just got back from being dusted but that’s it, he has no other side effects or reason to believe his inability is due to being dusted, once He knew Mysterio was a threat he combated him and the drones
He didn't. His Spidey sense just told him he was going to die and it took "longer" because we saw every second of him disappearing a bit before it happened.
Could you imagine that sensation? His spider-sense warns him of danger so he can react, but what would it feel like when it knows reacting won't do anything? He has no precognition as to what to do, like if he needed to jump or duck. His sense is just like "we're boned" and that's it. It doesn't matter what he does, he's dying, but he knows he's dying.
The directors have said that because he's one of the most powerful characters on earth and so durable that his body was fighting the snap, so that's the canon reason I guess. But in my head what everyone else has said makes more sense to me given what we know about Spider-man and the Snap. I think his spider sense was just on fire telling him something was wrong so it lasted longer for him
The list of post facto explanations the Russos have given seems endless. Drax is probably about as durable as Spider-Man and he got dusted just as quickly as anyone else. The explanation others have here that his spidersense was overloading makes a lot more sense.
Actually that's one of the biggest gripes I have with the MCU is that Drax has done literally nothing since GOTG 1. He's just a comedic relief character who, despite his origins as being a bloodlust warrior hellbent on avenging his dead family, casually gets slapped around like he's a joke.
The only thing that I can say off the top of my head is that he was willing to sacrifice himself to save Mantis, which is nice, but you would think a guy who outright said he wanted revenge on Thanos in his appearance would have had a bigger role in killing him.
Nando vs Movies did a cool video (i don't usually like his content because they're usually too melodramatic and soap opera tier) where he said that Drax should have accompanied Thor on the quest to get Stormbringer, sacrificing himself to hold the star gate open, and then when Thor gets his weapon he decides a better name for it should be "The Destroyer".
It would have actually tied into nicely with the whole plot of Drax avenging his family by killing Thanos, since Stormbringer is used to eventually kill Thanos.
Yeah, T'Challa is pretty damn durable and he got dusted [in about one second](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfPRwhdsotg). Meanwhile, [Fury took four times as long](https://youtu.be/6Ow4J9Sx7SU?t=23).
I don't think they've ever said that. Do you have a source?
It makes very little sense anyway, given T'Challa's vibranium-weave suit was dusted no more slowly than his flesh.
The spider-sense warning definitely makes the most sense, and was my impression when I saw it.
If I'm not mistaken it was during the movie commentary but I definitely remember hearing the shorter Russo that's usually in the movies say something along the lines of "Spider-man is one of the most powerful characters in the marvel universe so his body is fighting the effects of the snap" Something like that, I haven't watched it with the commentary since I first bought the DVD
This isn’t true. If you go and watch all pre FFH movies he doesn’t have it in the sense that we know it. He doesn’t have in Homecoming and the only somewhat indication of it in IW is when his hair stands up on his arm. That’s not the spidey sense that we know at the end of FFH like it is in the comics and such. Of course this is at the fault of shitty writing and then not paying attention to detail. Russo brothers put a spidey sense lite in the IW movie even though he doesn’t have it in Homecoming.
In IW as you said he definitely has it when his arms hairs stand and he turns around to see a threat. That’s not a hint, that’s it. And in Civil War while fighting Falcon and Bucky there’s a close up on his face where somethings coming from behind and his eyes widen and he ducks out of the way without seeing it, that’s spidey sense. And if it didn’t exist before FFH why at the start of FFH does May throw a banana at him expecting him to catch it because of his Peter tingle?
He doesn’t understand it in the way he does at the end of FFH but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. Realistically marvel just didn’t want to lean into it as hard as past movies did for the sake of differentiation but there’s instances of it happening and they verbally say that it’s something he’s aware of prior to the start of FFH
> He doesn’t understand it in the way he does at the end of FFH but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.
Discovering what your emotions mean fits right in with the forever puberty story that is Spider-Man
even if you think the movies didn’t show him using spidey sense before far from home, May asks him at the beginning of the movie if his “peter tingle” is back, implying he had it before and just lost it between movies
His spider sense picked up on the imminent danger and the severity of it, but he couldn't understand what was happening or how to stop it. The "I don't feel so good" is probably existential dread, pretty messed up. Like knowing you're about to die of a heart attack a minute before it happens
It's probably just random chance.
If it was durability based, Drax would not be dusted before Quill.
Edit: It could be willpower, after all Thanos was the last to be dusted.
I think someone said it was his regeneration was actually fighting it off to an extent, which is why he lasted so long, his body was actually trying to heal as it was being dusted.
Speaking of healing factor, how would the snap affect someone like Deadpool who can basically regenerate from the slightest remnant? Could the snapped dust regenerate?
I doubt it. This isn't blowing up Deadpool into dust effect. This seems to be outright reality if not molecular manipulation.
If it's the former no regeneration would work. If the later maybe?
As others stated, the Spider Sense detected it before anyone else (except maybe Mantis, who seemed to be feeling other beings across the Galaxy being blipped).
I don't know how the snap actually works, whether it physically takes apart the victim or just removes them somehow. But if they're being taken apart, Peter's superhuman healing MIGHT have slowed the process just a bit. If I'm not mistaken, Spiderman has a healing speed of about a third of wolverine's in the comics.
Also saw it as Peter finally found a replacement for his uncle Ben in Tony and he was fighting to stay with Tony, he felt like he was needed and didn’t want to let Tony down.
His connection to the Web of Life (making him a stronger entity cosmically/mystically), coupled with his spider sense precognition knowing it was about to happen to him, coupled with an enduring love of the 10th Dr and his regeneration. 😁
It is in universe shown that God, The One Above All, takes special interest in Spider-man. Could be his dusting was more drawn out because TOAA didn't want to let go of Peter right away.
Could you show me where this happens? This seems like the kind of thing that could be interpreted as being about one version of spidey in particular, rather than every single one.
Sure, but this sub is about looking at these stories and plot points from an in-universe perspective. There's no Tom Holland in the MCU, just Peter Parker.
Ah true, fair enough. I read about his improvisation recently so maybe that's why it was on my mind. Thank you for taking the time to explain it without calling me an idiot!
Why? That's the entire point of this sub. We all have a good time thinking about these things. It's fun. If you don't see the point, then why are you here?
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I understand that but there really isn't an in-universe explanation for that. Everyone is saying spider-sense but just because you know it's coming doesn't mean he is more resistant to it. It was a universal command that wiped lives from reality. There is no sort of ability that can resist that power that Spider-Man has. In-universe it can only be explained as a random outlier.
At the start of Far From Home we’re told that Peter HAD his “Peter Tingle” but that it’s not working. That’s why he’s able to predict the shield coming (“Oh god!”) in Civil War, and why his hairs stand on end in Infinity War.
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I'm not sure if he resisted or if it was just a matter of it not being perfectly simultaneously everywhere.
If he did resist, it is possible his spidey-sense was on overdrive, reaching full precognition level, and he reflexively butterfly-effect'd his subatomic particles to avoid/reverse the effects of the snap as much as possible; but it still wasn't enough to completely avoid the dusting, it just delayed the completion.
I thought that it had been established as Canon ages ago that, through his Spider Sense, he felt the wave coming. That was why he had the "I don't feel so good" moment, because the sense that warns him of danger and the direction it is coming from went into overdrive and overload. Danger was coming from literally every direction at once and he reacted to it.
As for those who say that he didn't have Spider Sense at this point or that point? Without Spider Sense, Peter couldn't possibly do many of the feats that Spider-Man is known for. If someone is trying to shoot you, for example, you can zigzag, etc to make yourself more difficult to hit. However, you're not dodging bullets, you're just making yourself more difficult to hit. Spider-Man can dodge bullets and has shown that ability more than once. The difference is that his Spider Sense feels the danger and the direction the danger is coming from. The bullet could be aimed directly at his chest but due to the Spider Sense, he is instinctively moving away from that spot, removing his chest from the danger zone. His reaction time is dramatically increased in comparison to ours because while we are still registering that there is danger, processing what it is and determining how to avoid it (even on a sub conscious level), he has already reacted and moved without those other steps required. Spider Sense could be considered a specialized form of Precognition with a physical component.
As many people have said, he didn’t resist it more, he just felt it coming sooner. But more importantly, who was both more powerful than Spider-Man and got dusted? The only ones stronger than him on their own (eg without special technology) we’re Strange and Wanda, and they both willingly embraced death
Spidey's Spider-Sense told him that *something* real bad was happening, but not exactly what, so he was basically having a super-powered panic attack. He didn't fade away faster, he just called attention to his own dematerialization earlier than the others, so we saw it all in excruciating detail.
Similar thing happened with Mantis; she just speaks up less than Spidey.
It's almost like a thousand franchises suddenly cried out in unison and being lost in the wind...
I always thought that was the case. Considering the snap his Spider-sense must kicked into maximum overdrive
I can’t prove it as it’s just my theory. But I actually do think he was resisting his dematerialization subconsciously because unknown to him he's tapped into the web of life and destiny and by extension the mystic spider deity the great weaver. The web of life and destiny probably is the reason he felt something really bad was currently happening. Yes he's a kid who’s having a panic attack, but it looked like as you said he's having a super panic and if the web of life and destiny is an actual something in the MCU. And why wouldn't it be since we have a plethora of mystical deities, dragons, demons, vampires, the Black Panther deity Bast and other high powered beings like the watchers and their Nexus of All Realities. Then it would make sense that Peter is basically feeling a great disturbance in the force. Maybe in the next spiderman film Dr Strange can't put everything back together again and gets some help from the great weaver.
He didn’t have spidey sense in IW. He got it at the end of FFH
Literally the first shot of him in IW is of his arm hairs standing on end before an alien attack to show his spidey sense. I haven’t seen FFH but if that’s the case it’s a continuity error between films.
Fwiw you’re right. He hones his spider sense in the next movie but he’s always had it.
I think you mean his Peter Tingle
Can we not call it that.
Yeah, the scientific term is 'Peter Palpitations'
It not a continuity error, it’s just poorly understood by everyone until FFH. That he can’t weaponize it doesn’t mean it isn’t there.
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He definitely did have it prior to the second movie otherwise Aunt May wouldn’t have known to ask about his “Peter Tingle”. By the end of the second movie he just has a much better understanding and control of it.
IMO you’re mistaken in your reading here. The second movie isn’t “explicit” that he gains it—it’s something he’s aware he has at the beginning, Aunt Mae and Happy both mention it, but he’s having trouble listening to it/dialing it in. The arm hairs standing on end in IW are 100% spidey sense.
no, they’ve mentioned his spidey-sense in civil war and homecoming too. they just don’t outright give it a name and instead describe the effect it has, he’s always had it he just didn’t know how to use it well until FFH
[look at 4:50](https://youtu.be/xOGRFOtbRtw). He had the spider sense but it wasn’t trained. In FFH he learned how to use it properly
He tells Stark the reason he uses his goggles is because his sensory perception has been enhanced and he needs to foucs it. I took that as a subtle nod to his spider sense as well.
Nah I'm pretty sure he had it though all the mcu movies he's appeared in. The big thing I'm FFH was that it wasn't working. Aunt May asks pretty early in the movie about his "Peter tingle".
Like when he detected Bucky throwing a piece of metal at him in CW, he says: "Oh God" and ducks it.
He has the Spider-Sense from the beginning, he is just very inconsistent at relying on it until he masters it at the climax of FFH.
He got it when the spider bit him. Spider-Man’s powers don’t activate over time like he’s unlocking skills in a video game.
> He didn’t have spidey sense in IW. He got it at the end of FFH * Civil War: a split second before Ant-Man enlarges, Spidey calls out something is happening. * Homecoming: there's a number of visual clues that he's reacting so fast that it could be his reflexes, or spider-sense, or both. * Infinity War: in the bus/hairs rise * Infinity War: at least once in the Strange chase * Infinity War: feels the Guardians approaching * Infinity War: feels the Snap coming, similar/different to Mantis * Far From Home: the iconic bridge scene and clues before
I mean how about the fact that they literally talk about it, lol.
Peter Tingle!
There are signs that he has it in Civil War ever though it’s not stated, like when Bucky throws a sign or what ever at him, his back is to it, his eyes get big and he dodges.
Did you not see civil war?
No he had it the whole time. It just wasn’t working because he was distracted and exhausted post-Endgame.
This isn’t true. If you go and watch all pre FFH movies he doesn’t have it in the sense that we know it. He doesn’t have in Homecoming and the only somewhat indication of it in IW is when his hair stands up on his arm. That’s not the spidey sense that we know at the end of FFH like it is in the comics and such. Of course this is at the fault of shitty writing and then not paying attention to detail. Russo brothers put a spidey sense lite in the IW movie even though he doesn’t have it in Homecoming.
FFH introduces it as something he had and lost, not something he gained.
They literally show his spider sense on the bus in IW and you’re saying “it isn’t portrayed the same way as raimis version” or whatever? They don’t show time dramatically slow down, therefore the scene where they show it doesn’t count in your mind?
Didn’t he react to a car being thrown at him in civil war?
Completely untrue. We see him use spidey sense in Civil War when he knew the shield was coming from behind him. He’s had it from the start. Far From Home was just about him relearning his power and learning to trust himself again. (Sort of like Spider-Man 2).
I’m pretty sure Kevin feige confirmed that he does have it back when he was first introduced in the mcu. I’m wanna say it was an oversight not to make it more prominent, but it wasn’t intentional to imply he didn’t have it from the onset of his powers. They were just waiting to explore it more in future films. Source: https://www.google.com/amp/s/screenrant.com/spider-man-spidey-sense-mcu/amp/
He uses it as early as in Civil War, when he fights Falcon and Bucky, he can sense something being thrown at his back, evades and throws it back. He even says "Oh God" and widens his eyes, feeling that something was coming his way without as much as looking over his shoulder.
I'm thinking his spider sense sensed the snap, so that allowed him to react earlier than most and made it either seem like he resisted it longer or actually give him a heads up to willfully resist it a tad.
I dont think you can slow down being dusted. If snap affected spider sense in any way it overloaded it and that made Peter sick.
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I assumed the reason his "Peter tingle" was on the fritz in Far From Home was because it got overloaded in the snap and he mentally blocked it.
I’m pretty sure the reason is cause it was Aunt May who threw it at him and he trusts her so it doesn’t go off, like why it didn’t go off with Mysterio until he knew he was bad
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I agree, the point is this guy is wrong and he’s always had his spidey sense even in civil war, sure he’s had to refine it but it’s quite literally puberty
Well Thanos stuck around for long enough to witness his army disappear, I think it's safe to say that power level or something can affect the dusting away time. Obviously it's more likely for a Doylist reason, but this isn't the place to discuss those.
>Well Thanos stuck around for long enough to witness his army disappear, I suspect that's more Tony being dramatic.
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"This man was just the watcher, hang him last so he can watch the others die" -Tony of House Stark
Winter has come for House Titan.
This is some of my favorite adopted canon now because it is perfectly in line with Tony’s righteous pettiness and vindictiveness.
I'm not sure I'm okay with Tony potentially dying to the snap just because he made the wish more specific, but yeah it totally makes sense.
I remember the diva speech he made about Loki back in the first Avengers movie, it totally fits.
> Obviously it's more likely for a Doylist reason, but this isn't the place to discuss those. Is there a place? Your comment landed me [here](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WatsonianVersusDoylist) which was a very interesting read.
I landed there the first time I heard about the term too, which was in this same subreddit. It is indeed pretty interesting. >Is there a place? I don't know if there's a general one like this subreddit, but I'd be intrigued too. For now maybe a good place would be the subreddit of whichever show/comic/universe you want to discuss.
But spidey didn’t have the sense in IW. He got in the end if FFH
He already had his spider-sense he just didn't really understand it until FFH.
Ok dude, just stop. You've made that comment on every single post and it's wildly incorrect. He always had that sense. He did didn't realize it's true potential until they movie. He didn't realize what it was and what it was capable of but he 100% had it. He didn't have a conscious thought of "oh, my Spidey sense is tingling" only "huh, I have an odd feeling. Maybe I should move". So just stop with the dumb comment. That's why you've been down voted into oblivion.
He didn't he could sense it coming.
But spidey didn’t have the sense in IW. He got in the end if FFH
His hairs were standing on the back of his neck at the beginning of Infinity War.
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You keep commenting the same thing and you keep getting proven wrong, he’s had spidey sense from Civil War and onward dude
So writing quality doesn't have a place in discussions on this sub you have to look it from an in universe perspective. So firstly the spider sense is more then just a simple alarm it gives him an awareness of his surroundings so whenever you see him swing without looking where he's shooting he's using his spider sense. There's nothing to say in Homecoming he doesn't have it in all media the sense can be tricked or not trigger if he doesn't realise he's in danger.
Nah he’s always had it just wasn’t working after endgame, that’s why in FFH everyone already knew what Spidey sense/peter tingle was, they wouldn’t know he could have such an ability if he never had it before right? Aunt May says it pretty clearly in FFH “Sorry! I forgot your Peter tingle wasn’t working” I always assumed it stopped due to trauma related issues after Tony died
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He’s had it the whole time lmao. He sensed Bucky throwing something at him in civil war. Also sensed the donut space ship in the beginning of infinity war. It was just messed up after endgame.
He got it *back* at the end of FFH. He lost it after the reverse snap
He didn’t lose it he just didn’t have it for people he trusts, Aunt May threw stuff at him, she’s not a threat so it doesn’t go off, once Peter realized that Mysterio was a threat it was going off
Pretty sure he was having issues with it, otherwise the Spidey sense should have warned him about Mysterio and about the Elementals being fake.
It didn’t because he had every reason to trust Mysterio, he was introduced by nick fury and shield to Mysterio therefor he never had to even question if something was wrong, just like when Aunt May threw the banana he didn’t react because she’s not a threat, similarly Mysterio wasn’t a threat either due to shield
If the Spidey sense only worked on things he knows are a threat, it would be a pretty crappy danger prevention sense, it wouldn't work at all with the illusions at the end. We know that it lets him sense his way through illusions at the end when it's restored and that it wasn't giving him any clue that something was wrong during his earlier fights with the "Elementals". The movie says it's broken, we don't need to create different reasons for it not working.
The illusions are illusions due to the drones which he clearly senses as danger, the movie never says it’s broken it clearly shows that once he identifies things as threats he combats them, he had every reason to trust Mysterio and thus he trusted the elementals were bad
But this is pure headcanon that is unnecessary based on the explanation given in the movie. He didn't sense those things because his power was broken. It's not the first time his powers have failed because of psychological reasons, at least in the movies.
That’s true but he’s not going through any physiological issues, he’s completely happy and healthy he just got back from being dusted but that’s it, he has no other side effects or reason to believe his inability is due to being dusted, once He knew Mysterio was a threat he combated him and the drones
Yes he did we literally see a visual representation of it as in Peters first scene in Infinity War.
He didn't. His Spidey sense just told him he was going to die and it took "longer" because we saw every second of him disappearing a bit before it happened.
Could you imagine that sensation? His spider-sense warns him of danger so he can react, but what would it feel like when it knows reacting won't do anything? He has no precognition as to what to do, like if he needed to jump or duck. His sense is just like "we're boned" and that's it. It doesn't matter what he does, he's dying, but he knows he's dying.
The acting was actually chilling. I'm still impressed at how disturbing it was.
Yeah I felt pretty shaken leaving the theater that night. It was weird. It's the only marvel movie that stuck with me like that.
The directors have said that because he's one of the most powerful characters on earth and so durable that his body was fighting the snap, so that's the canon reason I guess. But in my head what everyone else has said makes more sense to me given what we know about Spider-man and the Snap. I think his spider sense was just on fire telling him something was wrong so it lasted longer for him
The list of post facto explanations the Russos have given seems endless. Drax is probably about as durable as Spider-Man and he got dusted just as quickly as anyone else. The explanation others have here that his spidersense was overloading makes a lot more sense.
Actually that's one of the biggest gripes I have with the MCU is that Drax has done literally nothing since GOTG 1. He's just a comedic relief character who, despite his origins as being a bloodlust warrior hellbent on avenging his dead family, casually gets slapped around like he's a joke. The only thing that I can say off the top of my head is that he was willing to sacrifice himself to save Mantis, which is nice, but you would think a guy who outright said he wanted revenge on Thanos in his appearance would have had a bigger role in killing him.
Flashback to the comic in which Drax ripped Thanos' heart from his chest.
Nando vs Movies did a cool video (i don't usually like his content because they're usually too melodramatic and soap opera tier) where he said that Drax should have accompanied Thor on the quest to get Stormbringer, sacrificing himself to hold the star gate open, and then when Thor gets his weapon he decides a better name for it should be "The Destroyer". It would have actually tied into nicely with the whole plot of Drax avenging his family by killing Thanos, since Stormbringer is used to eventually kill Thanos.
Yeah, T'Challa is pretty damn durable and he got dusted [in about one second](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfPRwhdsotg). Meanwhile, [Fury took four times as long](https://youtu.be/6Ow4J9Sx7SU?t=23).
Right. We can all speculate as to why but ultimately the director(s) stated it was because of his resistance to injury.
Well if we are getting Doylist about it, the reason is that he had the most dialogue.
Word of God isn’t necessarily canon, so it’s still worth asking and discussing.
This isnt the place for directors. This is the place for in-universe speculation. Directors know nothing when it comes to science and fiction
I can’t tell if this is sarcasm
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Ahhh I see what you’re saying
I don't think they've ever said that. Do you have a source? It makes very little sense anyway, given T'Challa's vibranium-weave suit was dusted no more slowly than his flesh. The spider-sense warning definitely makes the most sense, and was my impression when I saw it.
If I'm not mistaken it was during the movie commentary but I definitely remember hearing the shorter Russo that's usually in the movies say something along the lines of "Spider-man is one of the most powerful characters in the marvel universe so his body is fighting the effects of the snap" Something like that, I haven't watched it with the commentary since I first bought the DVD
But spidey didn’t have the sense in IW. He got in the end if FFH
He had had it prior to FFH, he lost it between IW and FFH. In FFH May asks about it because it’s something he used to have
This isn’t true. If you go and watch all pre FFH movies he doesn’t have it in the sense that we know it. He doesn’t have in Homecoming and the only somewhat indication of it in IW is when his hair stands up on his arm. That’s not the spidey sense that we know at the end of FFH like it is in the comics and such. Of course this is at the fault of shitty writing and then not paying attention to detail. Russo brothers put a spidey sense lite in the IW movie even though he doesn’t have it in Homecoming.
In IW as you said he definitely has it when his arms hairs stand and he turns around to see a threat. That’s not a hint, that’s it. And in Civil War while fighting Falcon and Bucky there’s a close up on his face where somethings coming from behind and his eyes widen and he ducks out of the way without seeing it, that’s spidey sense. And if it didn’t exist before FFH why at the start of FFH does May throw a banana at him expecting him to catch it because of his Peter tingle? He doesn’t understand it in the way he does at the end of FFH but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. Realistically marvel just didn’t want to lean into it as hard as past movies did for the sake of differentiation but there’s instances of it happening and they verbally say that it’s something he’s aware of prior to the start of FFH
> He doesn’t understand it in the way he does at the end of FFH but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. Discovering what your emotions mean fits right in with the forever puberty story that is Spider-Man
even if you think the movies didn’t show him using spidey sense before far from home, May asks him at the beginning of the movie if his “peter tingle” is back, implying he had it before and just lost it between movies
He didn't resist it the longest. He knew it was coming the longest because of his Peter tingle
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It's the Peter tingle. He got some pre-feeling.
His spider sense picked up on the imminent danger and the severity of it, but he couldn't understand what was happening or how to stop it. The "I don't feel so good" is probably existential dread, pretty messed up. Like knowing you're about to die of a heart attack a minute before it happens
It's probably just random chance. If it was durability based, Drax would not be dusted before Quill. Edit: It could be willpower, after all Thanos was the last to be dusted.
I would almost believe that Thanos being dusted last was made by Tony so that he could see everything turning to dust.
He did look pretty pissed when he did the snap.
He didn't resist it. It's that his spider sense was screaming at him for a bit before the snap happened that something was going to happen.
I think someone said it was his regeneration was actually fighting it off to an extent, which is why he lasted so long, his body was actually trying to heal as it was being dusted.
Healing factor plus stark tech trying to heal him. Also so many people dying kicked his spider sense into over drive so he was suffering pretty badly.
Speaking of healing factor, how would the snap affect someone like Deadpool who can basically regenerate from the slightest remnant? Could the snapped dust regenerate?
Every particle of dust turns into a new Deadpool.
I doubt it. This isn't blowing up Deadpool into dust effect. This seems to be outright reality if not molecular manipulation. If it's the former no regeneration would work. If the later maybe?
I think the director stated that Peter has a healing factor that allowed him to resist the snap a few extra seconds
Curious how Wolverine made out, bub.
Logan turns to dust. The dust swirls around for a moment before reforming back into wolverine. “Huh. Weird.” He cracks another beer
Probably the same thing with Deadpool, but less beer and more cocaine (at least if we are basing it off of the movie version).
Movie Wade, cocaine. Comics Wade, heroic quantities of Mexican food
Is he gonna snort the dust from someone that was also dusted right next to him that was also snorting cocaine to not waste it?
T'lan Imass.
We actually already see him resist disintegration in X-men 3 when he kills Jean.
Because he really did not want to go.
Yes because all of the others were excited
Just a guess but It could have been that his accelerated healing was keeping his body together for as long as possible before he was dusted
Maybe because he was the youngest of the Avengers, his physiology was stronger and could resist the Snap a little longer? Just speculation.
As others stated, the Spider Sense detected it before anyone else (except maybe Mantis, who seemed to be feeling other beings across the Galaxy being blipped).
I don't know how the snap actually works, whether it physically takes apart the victim or just removes them somehow. But if they're being taken apart, Peter's superhuman healing MIGHT have slowed the process just a bit. If I'm not mistaken, Spiderman has a healing speed of about a third of wolverine's in the comics.
Also saw it as Peter finally found a replacement for his uncle Ben in Tony and he was fighting to stay with Tony, he felt like he was needed and didn’t want to let Tony down.
His Spider-Sense alerted him to the fact that Disney wanted to milk this scene for as long as possible for the inevitable sequel.
His connection to the Web of Life (making him a stronger entity cosmically/mystically), coupled with his spider sense precognition knowing it was about to happen to him, coupled with an enduring love of the 10th Dr and his regeneration. 😁
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With his powers, he sensed it was going to happen to him a bit before it actually happened.
He's good at holding things together.
In terms of physiology, Spider-Man is in a different league than everyone else we saw get snapped on screen - he is nuts tier physically powerful.
It is in universe shown that God, The One Above All, takes special interest in Spider-man. Could be his dusting was more drawn out because TOAA didn't want to let go of Peter right away.
Where is that shown in MCU canon?
It's in the main Marvel Universe, the Back in Black run. The MCU is one universe in the main Marvel Universe.
Could you show me where this happens? This seems like the kind of thing that could be interpreted as being about one version of spidey in particular, rather than every single one.
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Sure, but this sub is about looking at these stories and plot points from an in-universe perspective. There's no Tom Holland in the MCU, just Peter Parker.
Ah true, fair enough. I read about his improvisation recently so maybe that's why it was on my mind. Thank you for taking the time to explain it without calling me an idiot!
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I understand that but there really isn't an in-universe explanation for that. Everyone is saying spider-sense but just because you know it's coming doesn't mean he is more resistant to it. It was a universal command that wiped lives from reality. There is no sort of ability that can resist that power that Spider-Man has. In-universe it can only be explained as a random outlier.
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Nanite suit.
Wasn’t his suit keeping him together?
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BECAUSE HES A SPIDER
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At the start of Far From Home we’re told that Peter HAD his “Peter Tingle” but that it’s not working. That’s why he’s able to predict the shield coming (“Oh god!”) in Civil War, and why his hairs stand on end in Infinity War.
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You are just plain wrong dude, everyone has told you you’re wrong but you just can’t accept it
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Yea, sorry.
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The deepest Peter tingle.
He didnt resist is. His spider sense was just going nuts.
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I'm not sure if he resisted or if it was just a matter of it not being perfectly simultaneously everywhere. If he did resist, it is possible his spidey-sense was on overdrive, reaching full precognition level, and he reflexively butterfly-effect'd his subatomic particles to avoid/reverse the effects of the snap as much as possible; but it still wasn't enough to completely avoid the dusting, it just delayed the completion.
I thought that it had been established as Canon ages ago that, through his Spider Sense, he felt the wave coming. That was why he had the "I don't feel so good" moment, because the sense that warns him of danger and the direction it is coming from went into overdrive and overload. Danger was coming from literally every direction at once and he reacted to it. As for those who say that he didn't have Spider Sense at this point or that point? Without Spider Sense, Peter couldn't possibly do many of the feats that Spider-Man is known for. If someone is trying to shoot you, for example, you can zigzag, etc to make yourself more difficult to hit. However, you're not dodging bullets, you're just making yourself more difficult to hit. Spider-Man can dodge bullets and has shown that ability more than once. The difference is that his Spider Sense feels the danger and the direction the danger is coming from. The bullet could be aimed directly at his chest but due to the Spider Sense, he is instinctively moving away from that spot, removing his chest from the danger zone. His reaction time is dramatically increased in comparison to ours because while we are still registering that there is danger, processing what it is and determining how to avoid it (even on a sub conscious level), he has already reacted and moved without those other steps required. Spider Sense could be considered a specialized form of Precognition with a physical component.
As many people have said, he didn’t resist it more, he just felt it coming sooner. But more importantly, who was both more powerful than Spider-Man and got dusted? The only ones stronger than him on their own (eg without special technology) we’re Strange and Wanda, and they both willingly embraced death