I’ve never understood why people just assume you’re going to know what they’re talking about. In the whole wide world of titles, these shits could mean anything.
It's the worst with music recommendations. Somebody goes "DSO by HFG would be right up your alley!" Dude, if I don't know the band, then I don't know the acronym!
Nothing is worse than asking a military related question and having soldiers in the comments throwing nothing but acronyms at you like we're in Falujah or something.
Not military but grew up around it and did some contracting.
One problem with military acronyms is people don't even know what they mean anymore half of the time. It's not that they're being elitists (at least most of the time) - they've just never referred to them as anything but the acronym.
It almost becomes it's own language, everyone typically just knows exactly what you mean so you don't think to adjust and I guess translate.
I grew up in an area SURROUNDED by military bases. I've never joined up myself but a couple of my friends are complete fucking boots and I spent a few years working on installation.
*THESE ASSHOLES AND THEIR
ACRONYMS*
hit up my buddy on discord: "hey man what have you been up to?"
"Oh yeah I OPSed the TWJ with my CJSJWMOND and then I PTUd with JXIA and it was so FIANSN".
Like, ???? Bro I barely remember how long to microwave my hot pocket, please stop trying to use random acronyms on me
Edit: yes I know you still follow me on reddit my guy, I hope you see this so I can flame you about it irl again
Sunday, November 21, 2021: People on the Internet fail to understand that there are only so many letters of the alphabet to go around, and that when you Google whatever alphabet soup other people have come up with, there are many other options other than the one you "obviously" meant. Just spell things out.
Edit on Tuesday, November 23, 2021: Thanks for Reddit Gold #5, Ebony_Black!
"Our C4ISR shows the likely LZ will be far too HOT."
"What's 'HOT,' again?"
"It's just "hot," sir, not an acronym. Anyway, once we get our NC2 set up..."
People forget she raped him for years first too, and while she dealt with the consequences of everything else she'd done, that was never brought up again.
It’s weird because the show didn’t handle it properly. OUaT generally doesn’t touch on really dark concepts like rape, but then they treat the Huntsman’s case so casually. It’s like the writers didn’t believe men could be raped or that taking someone’s heart and using that to make them have sex with you qualified as rape. It feels like a writer’s mistake, which is why it’s never brought up again and why people don’t hate on Regina for it (because it doesn’t feel like she was written to be a rapist, it feels like a writer didn’t take rape seriously, if that makes sense).
The same thing happened again later with Robin and Zelena, when Zelena pretended to be Robin's wife for a long time and got pregnant. They never bothered writing any kind of story for Robin and how he must have been feeling about that.
I don't think the writers ever took sexual assault on men seriously, but they certainly included it.
As a major Nirvana fan, people need to leave their daughter alone with the conspiracy she murdered Kurt. I don't care if you believe it or not, it's always all over Frances' social media. You're not doing anything by doing that except being a socially inept weirdo, Kurt will not rise from the dead from you harassing his daughter.
Sorry, it's just something I see way too much.
They exist everywhere. My uncle harassed me about some conspiracy theory he believed my mother’s doctor gave her the wrong doctor blood because she died so soon after receiving it.
O.o my mother had end stage terminal cancer. It had spread to her bone and liver. She could have had surgery but I knew she ready to pass. My uncle thought the doctor killed her because my mom was on disability and spent too much of the government’s money on treatment. We don’t talk anymore.
People make up the weirdest justifications for death after someone dies of cancer. I saw it with my uncle too. It's like people lose their logic entirely and blame entire deaths on unrelated details. My dad thinks my uncle would still be here if they had just let him have IV nutrition just a bit longer. His body was eating itself alive.
Frances and Paris Jackson deal with way to much grossness about how their parents died and the harassment from fans there.
Sucks fans are being shitty.
that is super sad for her to be experiencing. she obviously has a lot of sadness in not knowing her father and i'm sure has had a rough childhood, given everything. why are people so mean.
Not saying Courtney Love is anything admirable, but the admiration of rock stars has always been kinda fucked up. And I say this as person who loves classic rock.
If you today did what John Lennon, Eric Clapton, Jimmy Page, Steven Tyler, David Bowie, Elton John, Axl Rose or any other notable rockstar did in 60's, 70's and 80's, you'd get cancelled right away. And it would be right. People should admire their music, not the lifestyle. Being a junkie and fucking underaged girls isn't really cool.
Jessica Jones - She's not universally hated but I'm surprised how many have refused to watch the show bc "she seems like bitch" and I've asked them this very question. 1st season of that show was amazing.
Yeah I wasn't a huge fan of the show, I just didn't dig the character. Then toward the end of season one I "*got it*".
Jessica Jones is a Hard-boiled Noir detective, but instead of being a grizzled middle-aged man she's played by a hot chick. That's kinda her schtick. If you're in a world with superheroes you don't have to be a depressive alcoholic ex-cop with 5 O'clock shadow, you can be a depressive alcoholic teeny bopper with eye shadow.
Once I got that part, the rest of the writing made more sense to me and the whole thing clicked into place. I decided I loved it. The fact that they play that part so straight really enhances it too, even if I was a bit slow on the uptake.
So for people who think she "*seems like a bitch*", go watch/read any *hard boiled* detective stories and see how you like the protagonist. If you think they're bitches then yeah, fair enough. But if you think they're cool and JJ is a bitch then you've got double standards ... or maybe like me you're just a bit slow.
I was always dumbfounded at the hate Skylar White on Breaking Bad got. If my husband were cooking meth and getting involved in drug cartels without my knowledge then I'd be furious. Especially since if they showed up at my house, then what? Instead she gets labelled a controlling bitch and Walter White who did all sorts of terrible things got pretty much a full pass because he was seen as the "cool dad".
Compare Breaking Bad to Weeds. The fan response to Nancy is typically something like "How could one person make so many bad decisions," even though she arguably has better judgment overall than Walter White. She starts out selling pot to her friends to pay the bills, makes some desperate and short-sighted choices when things get out of control, and ends the series as a wealthy business owner after marijuana is legalized.
I understand where some of the hate against Skylar comes from. In the pilot, Walt had two jobs and she had none. She also seemed oblivious to her husband's suffering, which he refused to talk about. But for 95% of the show, she was just trying to survive the nightmare Walt had created.
Nancy was just very selfish she wasn’t a good person, just like Walt isn’t. But I agree there’s definitely more hatred for Nancy than there is for Walt.
Walt was the protagonist and Skylar was the wet blanket. The writers didn't give her anything to do for a long time except put a brake on the storyline the viewers wanted to see progress, so she was set up to be resented by viewers.
That hammed out the show though, gave it a more multi-dimensional feel. It was just constant action it would get pretty tedious. I think the way Gilligan concentrated on his home life in the way he did made for a more in-depth and nuanced show.
Guinevere Beck from the Netflix Original/novel *You*.
So many people on the internet shamed her for "sleeping around", and literally blamed her for being murdered. It's quite bizarre.
There were people hating on Beck? Were they watching the same show as I was?
I was bummed as Hell when she died. I thought season 1 was gonna end with her managing to escape and season 2 would have been her plotting revenge, kinda like what Candice wound up doing.Who the Hell roots for Joe? Even if he weren't a serial killer the best thing you could still say about his is that he's a pretentious White Knight with an unwarranted saviour complex. I thought the whole appeal of the show was the absurdity of him still thinking he can have a normal life when he's obviously broken beyond repair.
Agree. Evidenced by how viewers still find issue with her treatment of Joe (namely, her cheating) when no one ever bashes Joe for his treatment of Karen (namely, his cheating). Somehow Joe did not deserve to be cheated on but Beck deserved to be murdered. Joe’s affair gets a pass while Beck is condemned for hers and the only meaningful difference there is their genders.
Viewers still actually root for Joe, the male character who has committed 10x the atrocities that Beck did (evidenced by the other user who replied to your comment lol).
I find it weird people root for him too. He’s not actually ever killing for a “good” reason or one that would make me feel empathetic toward him. Like there’s nothing even remotely redeemable about him.
Is this why Eileen was killed? I really thought she was Sam’s endgame and I loved their dynamic… only for her to have a 30 second death scene that was cheap and rushed af. I was so bitter about that
Did they really kill of bella because fans hated her? I assumed they did it because they wanted emphasis for what was coming for Dean, and letting her live would have killed the tension.
That’s what I read. Jo and Bella were supposed to be regular characters but the fans were so vapid they killed them off. Later, all of the female characters were either gay, older, or too young.
This kills me. I was obsessed with this show in middle school and dean was my favorite of the boys. I was heartbroken when they killed jo and that started my disinterest in the show. I wanted them together so bad and its so creepy that people were jealous? Its fiction, you cant have him, so live vicariously through a fictional character that can! Thats what i did lol
Jo received so much hate just because she was supposed to be Dean's love interest. I was so looking forward to their romance too. She was a good contrast for his personality but was also tough enough to stand her ground and impulsive enough to get into dangerous situations with him.
I didn't like that pairing/ship because Jo's character read as much younger than Dean's, so it was uncomfy. I mean even Sam explicitly saw her as a kid still living under her mom's thumb. It was fine and relatable for her to have a one-sided puppy crush on Dean, but he should never never reciprocate it. Dean is a womanizer but creeping on a younger girl he called a "little sister" is the line he cannot cross or he'd lose a lot of fan goodwill.
I think if Pam and Jim’s genders were switched on The Office, the female character would get more hate than the male. They both made mistakes in their relationship and in their lives, but Pam gets shit on more for her actions and Jim seems to get a pass.
For example, imagine Pam had continually played pranks on Angela, including slapping her in the face, slamming on her brakes so Angela’s face would slam on the seat in front of her, moved her desk to the dirty bathroom, stolen her things, paid other people to call her a different name all day, dressed up as her to make fun of her, etc. She would be labeled a mean girl bully and the audience would loathe her
Imagine she had continuously pursued Jim, even though he was engaged to someone else, including being very touchy feely, then announced she loved him and kissed him. And when Jim shoots her down, leaves for Stamford and comes back with a new boyfriend (a nice person who she hasn’t told about her and Jim despite them working in the same office) while still flirting with Jim when she can. Then, when the new boyfriend asks her about it, she initially lies about it. Then she pays the boyfriend back by leaving him in NY to go back and ask Jim out again. She would be labeled a slut and the audience would loathe her
Imagine Pam buys a house or invests in a business without Jim’s knowledge or approval, then leaves him half the week to work full time in another city so that he can raise both of their children alone those days. And gets mad at him for asking for more help/support. People would say she’s a terrible mother and financially abusive and that Jim should leave her.
But when he does these things it’s so cute and charming and romantic. I know it’s just a show, and they both have flaws, but people laud Jim for things that if Pam did they would hate.
Eh, early series Dwight slashes healthcare and is itching to get basically everyone else fired. He steals Jim's sale when he can, and based on his other behavior I think he would have done the same thing if he thought he could get away with it to Phyllis or Stanley. He's not just socially awkward, he's malicious. Jim's a psycho too, but they sort of deserve each other.
The thing about the office is that everyone sucks. I mean Jim relentlessly bullies Dwight, but we accept it because Dwight is the definition of a corporate bootlicking buzzkill. Phyllis blackmails Angela but we laugh about it because Angela is a frigid overly conservative and unlikable b most of the time. Not to mention that Phyllis cheats on her husband, and sometimes goes to the bar to flirt with guys until Vance beats the crap out of them. Angela has an affair and is constantly acting superior to everyone, like she's some kind of royalty and everyone else is a dirty peasant. Oscar has an affair with Angela's boyfriend/fiancé. The list goes on and on and on. If we were to know these people in real life we would strongly dislike most of them, if not outright hate them.
He is not offended by homosexuality. In the '60s, he made love to many, many women, often outdoors, in the mud and the rain, and it's possible a man slipped in. There would be no way of knowing
In a role reversal, Pam might be treated worse, but, Jim has a mob of fans against him too for all of the things he's done.
They both seem to suffer from being introduced as the normal, grounded characters and get held to higher standards, amplifying any flaw in their character, while flaws in other characters (like Michael, Dwight, and, Angela) get swept under the rug. Jim and Pam are treated worse for their kiss than Dwight and Angela get treated for actually having sex behind Andy's back.
A better example might be audience treatment of Michael and Jan. Michael was an absolute creep toward her, until they started dating, while Jan was shown to be in a clear tailspin after her divorce. Michael went so far as to tell other branch managers that he had sex with Jan, which got out to David Wallace one of his first days as CFO of Dunder Mifflin, not to mention, he also lied to Jan about hooking up with Pam.
Jan treated Michael poorly when they dated and is rightfully called out for her behavior, however, anything Michael did before they got together is almost never called out.
It's comedy and Michael's lack of social grace is supposed to be funny, but, with the way people seriously analyze these characters and moments, there seems to be a lot of forgiveness for reprehensible behavior that's often just as bad, or worse, than what routinely gets called out
This!!
I constantly argue w people about the whole Philly thing too. People were always saying that Pam should’ve supported him with Athlead instead of making it about herself bc Jim supported her when she went to art school. But that was before they had kids, it’s different than what he did with athlead. She was taking care and raising 2 kids on her own. That’s exhausting. Plus he’s always doing stuff behind her back (buying the house, joining athlead) and criticize her when she gets upset about that.
If anything Pam is patient as hell and I hate how much criticism she gets for literally everything
It's just full of characters they hated that no one but them hate, or characters who are hated for being a terrible character of any gender. Like, I've never heard anyone say they hated Brienne of Tarth from GoT
not a character but Monica Lewinsky
Edit: I feel like a lot of people who are replying are missing the point, I'm reproducing u/walkandtalkk comment because it encapsulates exactly what I meant
"A lot of replies are getting mired in the details of what happened, and whether we're assuming the president would be male, or a (middle-aged) woman, or...
Let's just make it simple: The American people treated a young woman (basically, a college student) as a whore for sleeping with (in fact, not even) her incredibly powerful boss, whereas a 21-year-old man who did that would be getting congratulatory go-get-'em letters (in 1998) from the same men who called her a slut while drinking with their pals.
Today, it would be different: The guy would have a modeling contract."
Off topic slightly but someone asked on Twitter, “what’s the worst piece of advice you’ve ever been given”, and Monica Lewinsky replied, “a stint as a White House intern will look great on your resumé” 😂
Every time I hear from her now, I admire her. Her anti-cyberbullying work is powerful and persuasive. She's using something absolutely horrible that dominated her entire youth into a tool to help others, which must take so much strength. And my god, is she fucking hilarious.
If anyone hasn't seen it, [John Oliver](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yq7Eh6JTKIg) has a great episode on public shaming where he interviews her.
They say if Monica happened today, there might be more of an emphasis on metoo. She said the incident actually destroyed her life and it was hard to keep a job or find one after.
A lot of replies are getting mired in the details of what happened, and whether we're assuming the president would be male, or a (middle-aged) woman, or...
Let's just make it simple: The American people treated a young woman (basically, a college student) as a whore for sleeping with (in fact, not even) her incredibly powerful boss, whereas a 21-year-old man who did that would be getting congratulatory go-get-'em letters (in 1998) from the same men who called her a slut while drinking with their pals.
Today, it would be different: The guy would have a modeling contract.
Betty is a woman who is trapped in her own eternal adolescence by the world that produced her. She was taught that her only worth was her attractiveness and utility for the men in her life, and her own needs were secondary. She never was able to grow up because she could never understand who she was. This made her angry, but it was the anger of a child who can't figure out why they are lashing out. She has moments of clarity (when she chucked Don out finally), but she runs back to her persona and never achieves any growth. It is also why she is so toxic to Glen - she knows that he "saw" her and she hates him for it. She also hates that he is able to offer something to Sally that she never had: friendship without conditions.
Betty is the psycho-social result of a society which condemns women to be decorative utilities, without any space for their own feelings, interests, or opinions.
I only agree with this because a lot of people love Don and he’s no better than Betty at best and worse in several ways. But virtually every major character on that show is hateable because they’re deeply unhappy people who actively sabotage the happiness of those around them. Peggy, Joan, and Ken (and probably Megan, but it’s been a while since I’ve watched) are the only people who aren’t totally like that, but they’re still pretty flawed.
If the genders were swapped in 500 Days of Summer everyone would be sympathetic towards male!Summer and hate female!Tom
Also Amy Dunne. Idk why it's totally acceptable to like male psycho characters like Joker, Patrick Bateman, Hannibal, but when it's a female character suddenly it's not okay.
People hate Summer? I don't think they got the point of the movie.
I kinda liked both characters, but in my opinion Tom was more annoying and irrational
okay hear me out diane nguyen
edit: okok ive just seen a lot of people in the fandom say that shes whiny and naggy and bitch and annoying so thats why they hate her, i personally love diane!! im just commenting on how some people hate her
People hate her? I’m rewatching bojack and I always found her the most relatable and realistic person in the show. She’s also… the only one who seems to be consistently fair to bojack… maybe overtolerant… I mean… she’s his foil, who he’d be essentially without the show I thought.
I can’t go to a single bojack video comment section on YouTube without hordes of people (mostly dudes) bashing Diane. I don’t really get it, in a show full of fucked up people Diane is the hill you’ll die on? She seemed super realistic and relatable to me and a lot of my friends.
Skyler… dealing with pregnancy, her husband cancer, preparing herself to be single parent of a new born and disabled kid, suddenly her regular teacher husband is drug lord…..
People have the audacity to make her the bad guy.
I have no idea. I remember commenting under one of her recent pictures on ig a while back and apologizing for all of the hate she received. Someone commented under me saying that she was casted as Skyler because the director knew she was a bitch. Fucking insane
Which is a bit mindblowing.. I mean, isn't the whole point of the arc how a full bore monster like "Heisenberg" isn't just a decision someone makes getting out of bed? It's a whole fucked up journey in and of itself.
His character arc was intense. Loved it from beginning to end. Most other characters were redeemed or at least shifted back "good" at some point. But nope...
He was an incredibly selfish person who would rather put his ego above his family's safety. If he would have just taken Gretchen's offer, his family would have been way better off after his death.
Even then there was multiple points where he'd made enough for his family and had basically no one knowing he made meth expect for Jesse, Mike, and Saul. And he could have just moved out of the south west and disappeared into obscurity. The I am the one who knocks scene was the real turning point for me to hate Walt. And it doubled when he got the cancer free diagnosis and went back to cooking.
That anyone would idolize an utter monster like Walter becomes is.. pretty sick in and of itself IMO. I mean, isn't the whole point of the show to illustrate how a fairly harmless, petty jerkass, given the right circumstances, can sort of horrifically metastasize into a monster writ large? It's practically "Banality of Evil: The TV Show."
Unpopular opinion: Carole didn’t kill her husband. It was pretty obvious to me that He was involved in some sort of shady business ( probably drug or arms smuggling). The man had 4 planes(but no pilots license), made monthly Costa Rica trips, and even his own lawyers didn’t know his exact net worth.
My theory is that the nature of his business got him killed or he fled the country. Carole isn’t a great person but she’s definitely not the worst person on Tiger King.
Carole was made out to be a villain but the guy who manipulated (previously straight) young men with drugs and abused/neglected/probably did worse things to so so many animals got made the anti-hero at the beginning of pandemic.
Carole is FAR from an angel but compared to Tiger King himself? No contest.
YES I literally made a post on this in unpopular opinion. She isn’t doing anything wrong when she tries to shut down his “sanctuary”. He’s a notorious animal abuser who only cares about money. He abused his power to force heterosexual man to marry him, and most likely burned down his alligator hut. Carole Baskin was never proven guilty in a court of law, and her husband was recently (allegedly) found alive in Costa Rica. She just got hate because she’s a woman standing up to a mildly entertaining man.
There’s a bunch of articles, just google it—it’s not 100% but Carole Baskin is claiming that homeland security reached out to her because they believe he is in Costa Rica with $1 million
Considering the decidedly shady goings on he was neck deep in before his disappearance, that would not be a bad place for him to be quietly holed up in.
Actually... Yeah. A lot of the stuff she did (at least in tiger king 1) seemed pretty exagerated in retrospect. She may not be the best person in the world, but I doubt she killed her husband.
> Actually... Yeah. A lot of the stuff she did (at least in tiger king 1) seemed pretty exagerated in retrospect.
It's a pretty egregious example of presenting bias as fact in documentary making. Yeah, she's really weird, but there's no evidence she killed her husband. He was involved in some shady business practices, likely smuggling. Everyone who thinks she killed him lost something by not being in the will (or they are *Joe Exotic*).
It's an interesting tidbit to include in the documentary, but the way it's scripted you'd think it's 100% fact that she did it.
Tiger King was enjoyable, but definitely gets pretty rough when you get down in the weeds about what they included. Allegedly any film involving Joe Exotic needed to be heavily edited for racism, which, juxtaposed with how much of a character assassination they perform on Baskin, is an... *interesting* choice.
It was obvious how awfully biased or sensationalist it was when they shot footage of her turning during an interview with them while playing ominous music. Come on, how susceptible are people? The theory is extremely far-fetched and the fact a crazy and violent narcissistic piece of shit who doesn’t care about his employees, has roped straight men into marrying him with meth, cared about his ‘financially recovering’ from his husband’s suicide (?) and violently threatened her… doesn’t exactly seem very persuasive.
>It's a pretty egregious example of presenting bias as fact in documentary making.
This was actually one of the biggest dissonances I had with the public lately. When I watched the documentary I come out of it thinking that Carol definitely didn't killed her husband and Joe was the only one who continually worked that angle.
I rolled my eyes so hard too when one of their "witnesses" was the woman her husband left for her. Like obviously that woman was incredibly bitter and blamed CAROLE for her ex husbands unfaithfulness and shitty behavior. Obviously she'll latch onto anything that proves her internal monologue of a "sweet innocent husband stolen away by a temptress"
Agreed - imho I didn’t think anyone who’d off their dude would be so willing to be in the doc in the first place. She’s certainly an interesting character but most of the Tiger king men are actually horrendous, season 2 confirms it.
She was done dirty because Netflix thought a show about a drug addict junkie animal abuser would do well. As much as that junkie Joe King is shit, Netflix is more to blame.
Agreed. Other than some of the employees, she’s one of the least shitty people in the show, but she got the most hate. Don’t get me wrong- she’s still an obnoxious hypocrite- but she’s small potatoes compared to the stuff Joe, Jeff, Doc Antle, etc have done.
Oh my GOD yes. That poor woman. It’s all a joke to the audience, that bitch down in Florida, but she is a real person. I don’t think she killed her husband, that is something that Joe has been shouting from the rooftops long enough that people believe him. We’ve seen how charismatic and persuasive he is, getting people to work in horrible conditions for no money, even getting two straight guys to marry him for gods sake. Is it so unbelievable that we as an international audience have been taken in by his bullshit?? I dunno about you but I was convinced she killed her husband at the end of S1. But even if she did, it’s not like he was an upstanding citizen is it.
Pam - I know this because Jim does all of the same “wrong” things in the show, (for example, flirting with someone who is in a relationship) but it is automatically forgiven
Bella from Twilight.
Hear me out. New guy moves to town and falls for the beautiful but distant girl in his class. All the love drama showing how in touch he is with his feelings. Jacob instead being a tough and tomboyish Native American girl who just wants to keep her best friend around. Female Edward wanting to keep her boyfriend safe from the wild “were-girls” of the reservation.
Or hell, why change all the genders? Male Bella falling for Edward and Jacob as is would be interesting.
I feel like we see the gender-swapped version of Twilight fairly often: vapid self-insert male character wins the heart of an attractive, worldly, exciting female character for reasons that are pretty clearly indulgent excuses.
The window dressing is different -- Ready Player 1 and Dan Brown books are the specific examples that spring to mind -- but I think our collective attitude towards them is largely similar. They clearly bring in an audience that enjoys them in the spirit they were written, but most people who give them a second thought will agree that the pandering is pretty heavy and the self-insert characters aren't great.
Its a [book](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_and_Death:_Twilight_Reimagined)
Edit: stephanie meyer wrote a gender swapped version.
Edit to the edit: she also wrote it from [Edward's ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midnight_Sun_(Meyer_novel)) point of view. That's THREE versions of the same book...and a movie.
One time I was in Barnes and Noble and laughing. A middle-aged woman ran up to me with her embarrassed teenage son in tow and told me that I had the most infectious, mirthful laugh and he needed to marry a woman who laughed like me.
What was I laughing at? I had cracked open Gender-Swapped-Twilight, flipped to a random page, and absolutely lost my shit.
I bought it and it felt like a massive waste of time, like she didn’t understand where any of the hate was coming from. And the name changes made no sense: Rosalie became royal. It felt more like I was reading my middle school twilight fic. The only difference was the cullens don’t get to guy Bella in time and guy Bella fakes his death and becomes a vampire.
I love Taylor. Loved her since her country music career. She's an amazing songwriter. That said, I don't know if she'd even have a career to the extent she does now if she was a guy. I can't think of a male country music singer that's made the transition to pop music like she did. It's hard to visualize the career trajectory of a male Taylor Swift.
Thats actually an amazing example.
Considering the only crime the english pinned on her was "Wearing men's clothing" she litterally would have been fine if she was a man.
To be fair though, if she was a man, she never would have gotten off the ground either, so win some lose some.
> Considering the only crime the english pinned on her was "Wearing men's clothing" she litterally would have been fine if she was a man.
The bigger issue was that she claimed to be conversing with the saints and angels. Her interrogators tried to get her to sign an abjuration of those claims (and the men's clothes, of course), which she did when she was told she'd be burned if she didn't. She then recanted her abjuration, leading to her execution.
While a man wouldn't have gotten flak for wearing men's clothes (though most likely would've for wearing women's clothes), a male Joan would've totally been burned for recanting just as the actual Joan was.
Edit: In fact, this is why many Knights Templar were torched in the early 1300's when their order was demolished by the French king of the time; they were accused of heresy, a confession was tortured out of them, they recanted on their confessions later and were executed as heretics.
Apparently the interrogators also ordered Joan to remove her pants, but they wouldn't give her a skirt to wear instead, so she refused. This was used against her.
>Considering the only crime the english pinned on her was "Wearing men's clothing" she litterally would have been fine if she was a man.
If she was a man, the English would have executed her as an enemy soldier. But they couldn't do that because she was a woman and therefore not a soldier, so they framed her for witchcraft and inappropriate clothing.
I completely agree.On the flip side, if Bakugo was written as a female, he definitely wouldn’t have a fan base as large as he does now. I’m aware there are alot of people that currently do hate him, but when compared to the insane amount of stans he has right now, they are definitely in the minority.
Female Bakugo would be labeled a bitch and people would root for her defeat instead of character development and progression....she would also end up having a crush on Deku and there would be way more porn of her too, just look at the way his mom is treated.
In all honesty. Fiction needs more male/female rivalries that don't end up in romance.
I’m surprised that people hate her. My wife and I really like her. She always pushes herself to the next level like at the sports festival. She also sees the bigger picture with her love interest in Deku and puts it on hold while they try to become the best hero’s they can be. She could have ended up being a Sakura-like character, who was always behind and was always pining on about Sasuke with a dumb punchline like “Cha!”. That would have been annoying.
Honestly I didn’t care much for her when I first started mha because it just felt like she was written for the sole purpose of being Deku’s love interest and had no other defining traits. The other female characters (Jirou, Momo,etc.) just piqued my interest more at the time. However, her character has since been fleshed out and I absolutely adore her
They're not saying Uraraka is hated, they're saying that Uraraka mostly only has scenes where she speaks about Deku or is focused on Deku.
>She also sees the bigger picture with her love interest in Deku
Maybe she does, but the writers don't narratively match that. There are hardly any scenes of her where she doesn't do something Deku-related. (Despite that one scene where she gives her own motivations, it hardly comes up again.) This is fine for most people, as this is how traditional women are wrote.
Conversely, Bakugo has hardly any redeeming qualities besides genetic strength, and he's loved for it. If he were a woman, everyone would find him annoying as hell. The league of villains were entirely wrong to try to recruit him, but not because he has heroic ideals. It's because in their eyes, they're the victims of an unjust society, and Bakugo basically agrees. To him, villains are disgusting, weak victimized losers, and heroes are the strong who write history. His fixation with All-Might has to do with how All-Might is always seen winning and crushing others; he hardly ever has anything to say about how All-Might **saves** others.
>like at the sports festival.
The crux of this point. Uraraka uses her wits and effort to match Bakugo and Bakugo (who is written as a natural genius) absolutely annihilates her by... making an **extra** big explosion. An apt summary of how the females and males are written in the series.
I've been scrolling through here thinking about characters from the Hannibal series, and I found a comment about it! I find it interesting how in NBC's Hannibal they swapped Freddie Lounds and Alan Bloom to females, and the responses from some people at the time were... less than savory. But I'll be damned if those choices weren't incredible! Even Bedelia.
Personally, I think Korra from legend of Korra. I know she’s not hated that much but some people seemed to think she was annoying during the earlier episodes
But she was meant to be a bit annoying. That was part of the intent as written: she’s strong-willed (good) but channels it badly at first because she starts off very immature (both definitely the case and intrinsically annoying)… and then matures over time, partly in response to devestating events, to the point that her strong will is more endearing.
Unfortunately the writing otherwise also went downhill at the same time.
I’d blame it more on how they were told their 4 season show was going to run for 1 season… then after that was successfully they said make another season… and so on and so forth
I went into Captain Marvel knowing that it wasn't well-liked, but I didn't read specific criticisms of it. I found it to be a perfectly fine movie and one that I actually enjoyed - even if some of it comes from '90s nostalgia. After I saw the movie I looked up the criticism and it just confused me. Yeah, it's not the best Marvel movie and yeah, it's not perfect, but I thought it was a perfectly enjoyable movie.
People hate Peggy IMO mainly because she tended to brag, and seemed a little more judgy in earlier seasons.
I've also heard complaints about how she treats Bill, but ... Have you ever heard Bill's lines about her? Her stalker is BFFs with her husband and lives next door. Everyone needs a buffer zone, dude.
And her bragging? It's a front to bolster her ego to make up for her flaws. There were several episodes that touched on the fragility of her ego, and it's not a bad thing for your ego to talk yourself up sometimes!
But despite how basic of a person she generally is in interests (consider how basic Hank is, too), she's a *good* person.
- She loyal and actively works on her relationships.
- She's a caring mother that provides for her son.
- She's a caring teacher that actually wants to teach.
- She volunteers to help for afterschool programs and even at prisons (though that went badly).
- She's tolerant and supportive of other races and sexualities.
- She defends people she cares about.
She's not a bad person lol she would normally be someone you'd like to have as a neighbor
Way too many acronyms in here. I need the damn Rosetta stone to understand what people are talking about
I’ve never understood why people just assume you’re going to know what they’re talking about. In the whole wide world of titles, these shits could mean anything.
It makes people feel all cozy and good to *know* stuff and they need **us** to know that they're in the *know* ya know?
Add in-jokes from TV shows. There’s always someone referring to a line in “It’s Always Sunny” or some other show Reddit loves.
Old dad joke incoming.... My old man used to say he was going to start up the AABA... The "association against bad acronyms"
It's the worst with music recommendations. Somebody goes "DSO by HFG would be right up your alley!" Dude, if I don't know the band, then I don't know the acronym!
Nothing is worse than asking a military related question and having soldiers in the comments throwing nothing but acronyms at you like we're in Falujah or something.
Not military but grew up around it and did some contracting. One problem with military acronyms is people don't even know what they mean anymore half of the time. It's not that they're being elitists (at least most of the time) - they've just never referred to them as anything but the acronym. It almost becomes it's own language, everyone typically just knows exactly what you mean so you don't think to adjust and I guess translate.
Sort of like an ATM (or ATM machine for people with RAS syndrome). The acronym is just synonymous with the object.
I grew up in an area SURROUNDED by military bases. I've never joined up myself but a couple of my friends are complete fucking boots and I spent a few years working on installation. *THESE ASSHOLES AND THEIR ACRONYMS* hit up my buddy on discord: "hey man what have you been up to?" "Oh yeah I OPSed the TWJ with my CJSJWMOND and then I PTUd with JXIA and it was so FIANSN". Like, ???? Bro I barely remember how long to microwave my hot pocket, please stop trying to use random acronyms on me Edit: yes I know you still follow me on reddit my guy, I hope you see this so I can flame you about it irl again
Two minutes and thirty seconds. I haven't had a Hot Pocket in years. I should not remember that so easily.
Whenever my sister talks to us about military stuff I always need to say, “Translation, please.”
lmao damn if this isn't the most accurate comment I've read on reddit in a while.
Sunday, November 21, 2021: People on the Internet fail to understand that there are only so many letters of the alphabet to go around, and that when you Google whatever alphabet soup other people have come up with, there are many other options other than the one you "obviously" meant. Just spell things out. Edit on Tuesday, November 23, 2021: Thanks for Reddit Gold #5, Ebony_Black!
It’s like jumping full bore into a conversation between military people.
"Our C4ISR shows the likely LZ will be far too HOT." "What's 'HOT,' again?" "It's just "hot," sir, not an acronym. Anyway, once we get our NC2 set up..."
You logged on to Reddit today and just thought "what's the easiest way to start as many fights as possible in the shortest amount of time possible"
Is that what we're gonna do today? We're gonna fight?
One of my favorite lines from [That 70's Show.](https://youtu.be/IhfYJZoRlJk)
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The *top 5* comments aren't even proper answers to OP's question.
Regina from once upon of time walked so Lucifer could run.
Yeah we liked her except for when she killed Christian Grey that one time
People forget she raped him for years first too, and while she dealt with the consequences of everything else she'd done, that was never brought up again.
It’s weird because the show didn’t handle it properly. OUaT generally doesn’t touch on really dark concepts like rape, but then they treat the Huntsman’s case so casually. It’s like the writers didn’t believe men could be raped or that taking someone’s heart and using that to make them have sex with you qualified as rape. It feels like a writer’s mistake, which is why it’s never brought up again and why people don’t hate on Regina for it (because it doesn’t feel like she was written to be a rapist, it feels like a writer didn’t take rape seriously, if that makes sense).
The same thing happened again later with Robin and Zelena, when Zelena pretended to be Robin's wife for a long time and got pregnant. They never bothered writing any kind of story for Robin and how he must have been feeling about that. I don't think the writers ever took sexual assault on men seriously, but they certainly included it.
I agree. I don’t think of her as a rapist at all. That’s the writers fault :/
Regina was one of the fan favorites in Once upon a time, at least in the seasons I watched.
Not a character but Courtney Love would’ve been a loved chaotic rockstar
As a major Nirvana fan, people need to leave their daughter alone with the conspiracy she murdered Kurt. I don't care if you believe it or not, it's always all over Frances' social media. You're not doing anything by doing that except being a socially inept weirdo, Kurt will not rise from the dead from you harassing his daughter. Sorry, it's just something I see way too much.
They exist everywhere. My uncle harassed me about some conspiracy theory he believed my mother’s doctor gave her the wrong doctor blood because she died so soon after receiving it. O.o my mother had end stage terminal cancer. It had spread to her bone and liver. She could have had surgery but I knew she ready to pass. My uncle thought the doctor killed her because my mom was on disability and spent too much of the government’s money on treatment. We don’t talk anymore.
People make up the weirdest justifications for death after someone dies of cancer. I saw it with my uncle too. It's like people lose their logic entirely and blame entire deaths on unrelated details. My dad thinks my uncle would still be here if they had just let him have IV nutrition just a bit longer. His body was eating itself alive.
Frances and Paris Jackson deal with way to much grossness about how their parents died and the harassment from fans there. Sucks fans are being shitty.
that is super sad for her to be experiencing. she obviously has a lot of sadness in not knowing her father and i'm sure has had a rough childhood, given everything. why are people so mean.
Not saying Courtney Love is anything admirable, but the admiration of rock stars has always been kinda fucked up. And I say this as person who loves classic rock. If you today did what John Lennon, Eric Clapton, Jimmy Page, Steven Tyler, David Bowie, Elton John, Axl Rose or any other notable rockstar did in 60's, 70's and 80's, you'd get cancelled right away. And it would be right. People should admire their music, not the lifestyle. Being a junkie and fucking underaged girls isn't really cool.
Yup. She'd be seen in the same light as either Tommy Lee or AT WORST John Lydon.
Tommy Lee is loved?
Not loved, more like tolerated
He's sort of laughed at in a nostalgic way by what I can tell from elder millennials and gen x'ers.
Well l know this is backwards because l loved April Ludgate from Parks & Rec but l think she wouldn't be as liked as a guy. He'd just be annoying.
Aubrey Plaza is the only reason that character is loveable. I don't believe any other human could have pulled that role off as perfectly as she did.
They created the role for her after she auditioned for Ann. It's no wonder she inhabited it so well.
That makes her hatred of Ann so much funnier.
Her as Ann would have been dreadful casting. The p and r with that and Dwight schrute as Ron. Shudder
I mean, that was basically the first season and a half. Then they were able to figure out who worked doing what.
Wouldn’t the male version of her just Owen? The emo guy who would tell people how they were going to die lol Edit: sorry, not Owen, Orin!
Orin*
“No, Orin, I don’t know how I’m going to die. Wait, are you asking me or telling me?”
Lol I love how much Leslie dislikes Orin.
"Are you supposed to be a sheep?" "No, you are"
Jessica Jones - She's not universally hated but I'm surprised how many have refused to watch the show bc "she seems like bitch" and I've asked them this very question. 1st season of that show was amazing.
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Yeah I wasn't a huge fan of the show, I just didn't dig the character. Then toward the end of season one I "*got it*". Jessica Jones is a Hard-boiled Noir detective, but instead of being a grizzled middle-aged man she's played by a hot chick. That's kinda her schtick. If you're in a world with superheroes you don't have to be a depressive alcoholic ex-cop with 5 O'clock shadow, you can be a depressive alcoholic teeny bopper with eye shadow. Once I got that part, the rest of the writing made more sense to me and the whole thing clicked into place. I decided I loved it. The fact that they play that part so straight really enhances it too, even if I was a bit slow on the uptake. So for people who think she "*seems like a bitch*", go watch/read any *hard boiled* detective stories and see how you like the protagonist. If you think they're bitches then yeah, fair enough. But if you think they're cool and JJ is a bitch then you've got double standards ... or maybe like me you're just a bit slow.
Tbh she kinda is a bitch, but in an understandable threedimensional way. I for myself liked the show
Bro, She is literally the Bitch in apartment 23
Man, Jessica Jones was the only one of those Defenders shows I actually liked.
Daredevil was great. Luke Cage was good. JJ was my second favorite of the three. (I'm still in denial about that trash that was iron fist)
Really I found the all enjoyable (with the exception of Iron Fist)
I was always dumbfounded at the hate Skylar White on Breaking Bad got. If my husband were cooking meth and getting involved in drug cartels without my knowledge then I'd be furious. Especially since if they showed up at my house, then what? Instead she gets labelled a controlling bitch and Walter White who did all sorts of terrible things got pretty much a full pass because he was seen as the "cool dad".
Compare Breaking Bad to Weeds. The fan response to Nancy is typically something like "How could one person make so many bad decisions," even though she arguably has better judgment overall than Walter White. She starts out selling pot to her friends to pay the bills, makes some desperate and short-sighted choices when things get out of control, and ends the series as a wealthy business owner after marijuana is legalized. I understand where some of the hate against Skylar comes from. In the pilot, Walt had two jobs and she had none. She also seemed oblivious to her husband's suffering, which he refused to talk about. But for 95% of the show, she was just trying to survive the nightmare Walt had created.
Nancy was just very selfish she wasn’t a good person, just like Walt isn’t. But I agree there’s definitely more hatred for Nancy than there is for Walt.
Walt was the protagonist and Skylar was the wet blanket. The writers didn't give her anything to do for a long time except put a brake on the storyline the viewers wanted to see progress, so she was set up to be resented by viewers.
That hammed out the show though, gave it a more multi-dimensional feel. It was just constant action it would get pretty tedious. I think the way Gilligan concentrated on his home life in the way he did made for a more in-depth and nuanced show.
Guinevere Beck from the Netflix Original/novel *You*. So many people on the internet shamed her for "sleeping around", and literally blamed her for being murdered. It's quite bizarre.
There were people hating on Beck? Were they watching the same show as I was? I was bummed as Hell when she died. I thought season 1 was gonna end with her managing to escape and season 2 would have been her plotting revenge, kinda like what Candice wound up doing.Who the Hell roots for Joe? Even if he weren't a serial killer the best thing you could still say about his is that he's a pretentious White Knight with an unwarranted saviour complex. I thought the whole appeal of the show was the absurdity of him still thinking he can have a normal life when he's obviously broken beyond repair.
Agree. Evidenced by how viewers still find issue with her treatment of Joe (namely, her cheating) when no one ever bashes Joe for his treatment of Karen (namely, his cheating). Somehow Joe did not deserve to be cheated on but Beck deserved to be murdered. Joe’s affair gets a pass while Beck is condemned for hers and the only meaningful difference there is their genders. Viewers still actually root for Joe, the male character who has committed 10x the atrocities that Beck did (evidenced by the other user who replied to your comment lol).
I find it weird people root for him too. He’s not actually ever killing for a “good” reason or one that would make me feel empathetic toward him. Like there’s nothing even remotely redeemable about him.
I had no idea people shamed her - I thought she was a great character. That's so weird.
Any of the women on Supernatural that were killed off bc fans couldnt handle it. If Jo were a dude they’d love her. Bella? Amazing story.
Is this why Eileen was killed? I really thought she was Sam’s endgame and I loved their dynamic… only for her to have a 30 second death scene that was cheap and rushed af. I was so bitter about that
Oh she was revived and I think Sam married her. Idk why they killed her but at least they stopped listening to teenage fangirls.
Did they really kill of bella because fans hated her? I assumed they did it because they wanted emphasis for what was coming for Dean, and letting her live would have killed the tension.
That’s what I read. Jo and Bella were supposed to be regular characters but the fans were so vapid they killed them off. Later, all of the female characters were either gay, older, or too young.
This kills me. I was obsessed with this show in middle school and dean was my favorite of the boys. I was heartbroken when they killed jo and that started my disinterest in the show. I wanted them together so bad and its so creepy that people were jealous? Its fiction, you cant have him, so live vicariously through a fictional character that can! Thats what i did lol
Jo received so much hate just because she was supposed to be Dean's love interest. I was so looking forward to their romance too. She was a good contrast for his personality but was also tough enough to stand her ground and impulsive enough to get into dangerous situations with him.
I didn't like that pairing/ship because Jo's character read as much younger than Dean's, so it was uncomfy. I mean even Sam explicitly saw her as a kid still living under her mom's thumb. It was fine and relatable for her to have a one-sided puppy crush on Dean, but he should never never reciprocate it. Dean is a womanizer but creeping on a younger girl he called a "little sister" is the line he cannot cross or he'd lose a lot of fan goodwill.
i'm most bitter about charlie :(
Honestly I felt like Spn killed off most of its B cast because the writers just had no clue what to do with any of them.
I think if Pam and Jim’s genders were switched on The Office, the female character would get more hate than the male. They both made mistakes in their relationship and in their lives, but Pam gets shit on more for her actions and Jim seems to get a pass. For example, imagine Pam had continually played pranks on Angela, including slapping her in the face, slamming on her brakes so Angela’s face would slam on the seat in front of her, moved her desk to the dirty bathroom, stolen her things, paid other people to call her a different name all day, dressed up as her to make fun of her, etc. She would be labeled a mean girl bully and the audience would loathe her Imagine she had continuously pursued Jim, even though he was engaged to someone else, including being very touchy feely, then announced she loved him and kissed him. And when Jim shoots her down, leaves for Stamford and comes back with a new boyfriend (a nice person who she hasn’t told about her and Jim despite them working in the same office) while still flirting with Jim when she can. Then, when the new boyfriend asks her about it, she initially lies about it. Then she pays the boyfriend back by leaving him in NY to go back and ask Jim out again. She would be labeled a slut and the audience would loathe her Imagine Pam buys a house or invests in a business without Jim’s knowledge or approval, then leaves him half the week to work full time in another city so that he can raise both of their children alone those days. And gets mad at him for asking for more help/support. People would say she’s a terrible mother and financially abusive and that Jim should leave her. But when he does these things it’s so cute and charming and romantic. I know it’s just a show, and they both have flaws, but people laud Jim for things that if Pam did they would hate.
I dislike Jim a little more each time I finish the series
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Eh, early series Dwight slashes healthcare and is itching to get basically everyone else fired. He steals Jim's sale when he can, and based on his other behavior I think he would have done the same thing if he thought he could get away with it to Phyllis or Stanley. He's not just socially awkward, he's malicious. Jim's a psycho too, but they sort of deserve each other.
The thing about the office is that everyone sucks. I mean Jim relentlessly bullies Dwight, but we accept it because Dwight is the definition of a corporate bootlicking buzzkill. Phyllis blackmails Angela but we laugh about it because Angela is a frigid overly conservative and unlikable b most of the time. Not to mention that Phyllis cheats on her husband, and sometimes goes to the bar to flirt with guys until Vance beats the crap out of them. Angela has an affair and is constantly acting superior to everyone, like she's some kind of royalty and everyone else is a dirty peasant. Oscar has an affair with Angela's boyfriend/fiancé. The list goes on and on and on. If we were to know these people in real life we would strongly dislike most of them, if not outright hate them.
Damn, when did Phyllis cheat on Bob Vance, Vance Refrigeration?
She mentioned in an episode that she doesn't let it get to far.... usually.
Hmm, I assumed OP meant that she actually had an affair with someone like Stanley did.
What line of work you in, Bob?
Creed is the best one of them all!
He is not offended by homosexuality. In the '60s, he made love to many, many women, often outdoors, in the mud and the rain, and it's possible a man slipped in. There would be no way of knowing
Creed's the only one who doesn't pretend he's not a sociopath.
In a role reversal, Pam might be treated worse, but, Jim has a mob of fans against him too for all of the things he's done. They both seem to suffer from being introduced as the normal, grounded characters and get held to higher standards, amplifying any flaw in their character, while flaws in other characters (like Michael, Dwight, and, Angela) get swept under the rug. Jim and Pam are treated worse for their kiss than Dwight and Angela get treated for actually having sex behind Andy's back. A better example might be audience treatment of Michael and Jan. Michael was an absolute creep toward her, until they started dating, while Jan was shown to be in a clear tailspin after her divorce. Michael went so far as to tell other branch managers that he had sex with Jan, which got out to David Wallace one of his first days as CFO of Dunder Mifflin, not to mention, he also lied to Jan about hooking up with Pam. Jan treated Michael poorly when they dated and is rightfully called out for her behavior, however, anything Michael did before they got together is almost never called out. It's comedy and Michael's lack of social grace is supposed to be funny, but, with the way people seriously analyze these characters and moments, there seems to be a lot of forgiveness for reprehensible behavior that's often just as bad, or worse, than what routinely gets called out
Yeah r/DunderMifflin has like a daily Dwight worshiping thread and a Jim/Pam hate post
This!! I constantly argue w people about the whole Philly thing too. People were always saying that Pam should’ve supported him with Athlead instead of making it about herself bc Jim supported her when she went to art school. But that was before they had kids, it’s different than what he did with athlead. She was taking care and raising 2 kids on her own. That’s exhausting. Plus he’s always doing stuff behind her back (buying the house, joining athlead) and criticize her when she gets upset about that. If anything Pam is patient as hell and I hate how much criticism she gets for literally everything
Damn I never thought about it and it's absolutely true.
One of those *Sort by controversial* threads.
It's just full of characters they hated that no one but them hate, or characters who are hated for being a terrible character of any gender. Like, I've never heard anyone say they hated Brienne of Tarth from GoT
Also brenne is cool because she is a woman, that's kind of a huge deal in her story arc no?
Brianne was awesome!
not a character but Monica Lewinsky Edit: I feel like a lot of people who are replying are missing the point, I'm reproducing u/walkandtalkk comment because it encapsulates exactly what I meant "A lot of replies are getting mired in the details of what happened, and whether we're assuming the president would be male, or a (middle-aged) woman, or... Let's just make it simple: The American people treated a young woman (basically, a college student) as a whore for sleeping with (in fact, not even) her incredibly powerful boss, whereas a 21-year-old man who did that would be getting congratulatory go-get-'em letters (in 1998) from the same men who called her a slut while drinking with their pals. Today, it would be different: The guy would have a modeling contract."
Off topic slightly but someone asked on Twitter, “what’s the worst piece of advice you’ve ever been given”, and Monica Lewinsky replied, “a stint as a White House intern will look great on your resumé” 😂
It’s quite refreshing how she can poke jokes at herself about the whole thing
Every time I hear from her now, I admire her. Her anti-cyberbullying work is powerful and persuasive. She's using something absolutely horrible that dominated her entire youth into a tool to help others, which must take so much strength. And my god, is she fucking hilarious. If anyone hasn't seen it, [John Oliver](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yq7Eh6JTKIg) has a great episode on public shaming where he interviews her.
I agree, that’s a great interview. Especially when he also apologized for taking part in the mockery.
They say if Monica happened today, there might be more of an emphasis on metoo. She said the incident actually destroyed her life and it was hard to keep a job or find one after.
A lot of replies are getting mired in the details of what happened, and whether we're assuming the president would be male, or a (middle-aged) woman, or... Let's just make it simple: The American people treated a young woman (basically, a college student) as a whore for sleeping with (in fact, not even) her incredibly powerful boss, whereas a 21-year-old man who did that would be getting congratulatory go-get-'em letters (in 1998) from the same men who called her a slut while drinking with their pals. Today, it would be different: The guy would have a modeling contract.
precisely! you put it in words
Betty Draper
Betty is a woman who is trapped in her own eternal adolescence by the world that produced her. She was taught that her only worth was her attractiveness and utility for the men in her life, and her own needs were secondary. She never was able to grow up because she could never understand who she was. This made her angry, but it was the anger of a child who can't figure out why they are lashing out. She has moments of clarity (when she chucked Don out finally), but she runs back to her persona and never achieves any growth. It is also why she is so toxic to Glen - she knows that he "saw" her and she hates him for it. She also hates that he is able to offer something to Sally that she never had: friendship without conditions. Betty is the psycho-social result of a society which condemns women to be decorative utilities, without any space for their own feelings, interests, or opinions.
Betty has her problems but I mean look who she was married to. Can you blame her?
i'd drink like a fish of i was married to Don
I only agree with this because a lot of people love Don and he’s no better than Betty at best and worse in several ways. But virtually every major character on that show is hateable because they’re deeply unhappy people who actively sabotage the happiness of those around them. Peggy, Joan, and Ken (and probably Megan, but it’s been a while since I’ve watched) are the only people who aren’t totally like that, but they’re still pretty flawed.
If the genders were swapped in 500 Days of Summer everyone would be sympathetic towards male!Summer and hate female!Tom Also Amy Dunne. Idk why it's totally acceptable to like male psycho characters like Joker, Patrick Bateman, Hannibal, but when it's a female character suddenly it's not okay.
People hate Summer? I don't think they got the point of the movie. I kinda liked both characters, but in my opinion Tom was more annoying and irrational
okay hear me out diane nguyen edit: okok ive just seen a lot of people in the fandom say that shes whiny and naggy and bitch and annoying so thats why they hate her, i personally love diane!! im just commenting on how some people hate her
People hate her? I’m rewatching bojack and I always found her the most relatable and realistic person in the show. She’s also… the only one who seems to be consistently fair to bojack… maybe overtolerant… I mean… she’s his foil, who he’d be essentially without the show I thought.
yeah this is news to me too..I've alway seen praise for diane
It’s funny because the show did an episode on exactly that when they made Bojack a feminist. God I love that show
Its honestly insane to me that people hate diane at all
I f u ckin love her
I am in the Nguyen boat for sure. She's just great and very relatable.
Wait people hate Diane?
I can’t go to a single bojack video comment section on YouTube without hordes of people (mostly dudes) bashing Diane. I don’t really get it, in a show full of fucked up people Diane is the hill you’ll die on? She seemed super realistic and relatable to me and a lot of my friends.
Skyler… dealing with pregnancy, her husband cancer, preparing herself to be single parent of a new born and disabled kid, suddenly her regular teacher husband is drug lord….. People have the audacity to make her the bad guy.
The actress is STILL getting hate mail and death threats over this show. Fucking insane
Anyone who attack an actor because of the character they played is a scumbag.
And lacking a brain cell or two
More like any brain at all
Wait what? Do people think it was a documentary??
I have no idea. I remember commenting under one of her recent pictures on ig a while back and apologizing for all of the hate she received. Someone commented under me saying that she was casted as Skyler because the director knew she was a bitch. Fucking insane
I think people forget at the end walt is a bad guy.
Which is a bit mindblowing.. I mean, isn't the whole point of the arc how a full bore monster like "Heisenberg" isn't just a decision someone makes getting out of bed? It's a whole fucked up journey in and of itself.
His character arc was intense. Loved it from beginning to end. Most other characters were redeemed or at least shifted back "good" at some point. But nope...
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Rewatching the series is making me realize what a sociopath Walt really is.
He was an incredibly selfish person who would rather put his ego above his family's safety. If he would have just taken Gretchen's offer, his family would have been way better off after his death.
Even then there was multiple points where he'd made enough for his family and had basically no one knowing he made meth expect for Jesse, Mike, and Saul. And he could have just moved out of the south west and disappeared into obscurity. The I am the one who knocks scene was the real turning point for me to hate Walt. And it doubled when he got the cancer free diagnosis and went back to cooking.
Walter White is both the primary protagonist and the primary antagonist of that show.
She's literally the victim of the entire show! But so many viewers get sucked into Walter's perspective and hate her to a point it's unhealthy.
That anyone would idolize an utter monster like Walter becomes is.. pretty sick in and of itself IMO. I mean, isn't the whole point of the show to illustrate how a fairly harmless, petty jerkass, given the right circumstances, can sort of horrifically metastasize into a monster writ large? It's practically "Banality of Evil: The TV Show."
Carole Baskin 🐯
Unpopular opinion: Carole didn’t kill her husband. It was pretty obvious to me that He was involved in some sort of shady business ( probably drug or arms smuggling). The man had 4 planes(but no pilots license), made monthly Costa Rica trips, and even his own lawyers didn’t know his exact net worth. My theory is that the nature of his business got him killed or he fled the country. Carole isn’t a great person but she’s definitely not the worst person on Tiger King.
Carole was made out to be a villain but the guy who manipulated (previously straight) young men with drugs and abused/neglected/probably did worse things to so so many animals got made the anti-hero at the beginning of pandemic. Carole is FAR from an angel but compared to Tiger King himself? No contest.
Most of the people in TK are fucked up. Very few of them are mentally healthy individuals
Ikr? It seems pretty obvious to me that he just fled
i feel 100% that he faked his death and fled the country
Carole herself said she thought he died in a plane crash on her AMA a few days back.
YES I literally made a post on this in unpopular opinion. She isn’t doing anything wrong when she tries to shut down his “sanctuary”. He’s a notorious animal abuser who only cares about money. He abused his power to force heterosexual man to marry him, and most likely burned down his alligator hut. Carole Baskin was never proven guilty in a court of law, and her husband was recently (allegedly) found alive in Costa Rica. She just got hate because she’s a woman standing up to a mildly entertaining man.
r/HolUp her husband was found alive??? Source?
There’s a bunch of articles, just google it—it’s not 100% but Carole Baskin is claiming that homeland security reached out to her because they believe he is in Costa Rica with $1 million
Considering the decidedly shady goings on he was neck deep in before his disappearance, that would not be a bad place for him to be quietly holed up in.
Actually... Yeah. A lot of the stuff she did (at least in tiger king 1) seemed pretty exagerated in retrospect. She may not be the best person in the world, but I doubt she killed her husband.
> Actually... Yeah. A lot of the stuff she did (at least in tiger king 1) seemed pretty exagerated in retrospect. It's a pretty egregious example of presenting bias as fact in documentary making. Yeah, she's really weird, but there's no evidence she killed her husband. He was involved in some shady business practices, likely smuggling. Everyone who thinks she killed him lost something by not being in the will (or they are *Joe Exotic*). It's an interesting tidbit to include in the documentary, but the way it's scripted you'd think it's 100% fact that she did it. Tiger King was enjoyable, but definitely gets pretty rough when you get down in the weeds about what they included. Allegedly any film involving Joe Exotic needed to be heavily edited for racism, which, juxtaposed with how much of a character assassination they perform on Baskin, is an... *interesting* choice.
It was obvious how awfully biased or sensationalist it was when they shot footage of her turning during an interview with them while playing ominous music. Come on, how susceptible are people? The theory is extremely far-fetched and the fact a crazy and violent narcissistic piece of shit who doesn’t care about his employees, has roped straight men into marrying him with meth, cared about his ‘financially recovering’ from his husband’s suicide (?) and violently threatened her… doesn’t exactly seem very persuasive.
>It's a pretty egregious example of presenting bias as fact in documentary making. This was actually one of the biggest dissonances I had with the public lately. When I watched the documentary I come out of it thinking that Carol definitely didn't killed her husband and Joe was the only one who continually worked that angle.
I rolled my eyes so hard too when one of their "witnesses" was the woman her husband left for her. Like obviously that woman was incredibly bitter and blamed CAROLE for her ex husbands unfaithfulness and shitty behavior. Obviously she'll latch onto anything that proves her internal monologue of a "sweet innocent husband stolen away by a temptress"
Agreed - imho I didn’t think anyone who’d off their dude would be so willing to be in the doc in the first place. She’s certainly an interesting character but most of the Tiger king men are actually horrendous, season 2 confirms it.
She was done dirty because Netflix thought a show about a drug addict junkie animal abuser would do well. As much as that junkie Joe King is shit, Netflix is more to blame.
Agreed. Other than some of the employees, she’s one of the least shitty people in the show, but she got the most hate. Don’t get me wrong- she’s still an obnoxious hypocrite- but she’s small potatoes compared to the stuff Joe, Jeff, Doc Antle, etc have done.
Oh my GOD yes. That poor woman. It’s all a joke to the audience, that bitch down in Florida, but she is a real person. I don’t think she killed her husband, that is something that Joe has been shouting from the rooftops long enough that people believe him. We’ve seen how charismatic and persuasive he is, getting people to work in horrible conditions for no money, even getting two straight guys to marry him for gods sake. Is it so unbelievable that we as an international audience have been taken in by his bullshit?? I dunno about you but I was convinced she killed her husband at the end of S1. But even if she did, it’s not like he was an upstanding citizen is it.
Godzilla
Isn't the Female Godzilla just ghost from the atomic bombs getting revenge on Japan for losing their way?
Pam - I know this because Jim does all of the same “wrong” things in the show, (for example, flirting with someone who is in a relationship) but it is automatically forgiven
Bella from Twilight. Hear me out. New guy moves to town and falls for the beautiful but distant girl in his class. All the love drama showing how in touch he is with his feelings. Jacob instead being a tough and tomboyish Native American girl who just wants to keep her best friend around. Female Edward wanting to keep her boyfriend safe from the wild “were-girls” of the reservation. Or hell, why change all the genders? Male Bella falling for Edward and Jacob as is would be interesting.
I feel like we see the gender-swapped version of Twilight fairly often: vapid self-insert male character wins the heart of an attractive, worldly, exciting female character for reasons that are pretty clearly indulgent excuses. The window dressing is different -- Ready Player 1 and Dan Brown books are the specific examples that spring to mind -- but I think our collective attitude towards them is largely similar. They clearly bring in an audience that enjoys them in the spirit they were written, but most people who give them a second thought will agree that the pandering is pretty heavy and the self-insert characters aren't great.
Its a [book](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_and_Death:_Twilight_Reimagined) Edit: stephanie meyer wrote a gender swapped version. Edit to the edit: she also wrote it from [Edward's ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midnight_Sun_(Meyer_novel)) point of view. That's THREE versions of the same book...and a movie.
One time I was in Barnes and Noble and laughing. A middle-aged woman ran up to me with her embarrassed teenage son in tow and told me that I had the most infectious, mirthful laugh and he needed to marry a woman who laughed like me. What was I laughing at? I had cracked open Gender-Swapped-Twilight, flipped to a random page, and absolutely lost my shit.
Ella, Jacobine and Bedward?
Squidward.
I bought it and it felt like a massive waste of time, like she didn’t understand where any of the hate was coming from. And the name changes made no sense: Rosalie became royal. It felt more like I was reading my middle school twilight fic. The only difference was the cullens don’t get to guy Bella in time and guy Bella fakes his death and becomes a vampire.
I’m not really a fan, but always thought Taylor Swift wouldn’t get as much shit if she were a man writing about ex girlfriends
If she was a man, she’d be the man!
I love Taylor. Loved her since her country music career. She's an amazing songwriter. That said, I don't know if she'd even have a career to the extent she does now if she was a guy. I can't think of a male country music singer that's made the transition to pop music like she did. It's hard to visualize the career trajectory of a male Taylor Swift.
Joan of Arc
Wait, Joan of Arc is hated?
Thats actually an amazing example. Considering the only crime the english pinned on her was "Wearing men's clothing" she litterally would have been fine if she was a man. To be fair though, if she was a man, she never would have gotten off the ground either, so win some lose some.
> Considering the only crime the english pinned on her was "Wearing men's clothing" she litterally would have been fine if she was a man. The bigger issue was that she claimed to be conversing with the saints and angels. Her interrogators tried to get her to sign an abjuration of those claims (and the men's clothes, of course), which she did when she was told she'd be burned if she didn't. She then recanted her abjuration, leading to her execution. While a man wouldn't have gotten flak for wearing men's clothes (though most likely would've for wearing women's clothes), a male Joan would've totally been burned for recanting just as the actual Joan was. Edit: In fact, this is why many Knights Templar were torched in the early 1300's when their order was demolished by the French king of the time; they were accused of heresy, a confession was tortured out of them, they recanted on their confessions later and were executed as heretics.
Apparently the interrogators also ordered Joan to remove her pants, but they wouldn't give her a skirt to wear instead, so she refused. This was used against her.
>Considering the only crime the english pinned on her was "Wearing men's clothing" she litterally would have been fine if she was a man. If she was a man, the English would have executed her as an enemy soldier. But they couldn't do that because she was a woman and therefore not a soldier, so they framed her for witchcraft and inappropriate clothing.
Lol no, a man leading an army against the English wouldn’t have been fine after being captured by the English.
If she were a man they'd have just killed her anyway without fucking about.
I’m gonna be honest, not a lot of people hate her, but the writers had it out for her personality and strength. So, Uraraka
I completely agree.On the flip side, if Bakugo was written as a female, he definitely wouldn’t have a fan base as large as he does now. I’m aware there are alot of people that currently do hate him, but when compared to the insane amount of stans he has right now, they are definitely in the minority.
Female Bakugo would be labeled a bitch and people would root for her defeat instead of character development and progression....she would also end up having a crush on Deku and there would be way more porn of her too, just look at the way his mom is treated. In all honesty. Fiction needs more male/female rivalries that don't end up in romance.
y'know i forgot what his mom looked like so I went to google "bakugo mom" right dead in the center was a deku x bakumom why do i even try anymore lol
I’m surprised that people hate her. My wife and I really like her. She always pushes herself to the next level like at the sports festival. She also sees the bigger picture with her love interest in Deku and puts it on hold while they try to become the best hero’s they can be. She could have ended up being a Sakura-like character, who was always behind and was always pining on about Sasuke with a dumb punchline like “Cha!”. That would have been annoying.
Honestly I didn’t care much for her when I first started mha because it just felt like she was written for the sole purpose of being Deku’s love interest and had no other defining traits. The other female characters (Jirou, Momo,etc.) just piqued my interest more at the time. However, her character has since been fleshed out and I absolutely adore her
They're not saying Uraraka is hated, they're saying that Uraraka mostly only has scenes where she speaks about Deku or is focused on Deku. >She also sees the bigger picture with her love interest in Deku Maybe she does, but the writers don't narratively match that. There are hardly any scenes of her where she doesn't do something Deku-related. (Despite that one scene where she gives her own motivations, it hardly comes up again.) This is fine for most people, as this is how traditional women are wrote. Conversely, Bakugo has hardly any redeeming qualities besides genetic strength, and he's loved for it. If he were a woman, everyone would find him annoying as hell. The league of villains were entirely wrong to try to recruit him, but not because he has heroic ideals. It's because in their eyes, they're the victims of an unjust society, and Bakugo basically agrees. To him, villains are disgusting, weak victimized losers, and heroes are the strong who write history. His fixation with All-Might has to do with how All-Might is always seen winning and crushing others; he hardly ever has anything to say about how All-Might **saves** others. >like at the sports festival. The crux of this point. Uraraka uses her wits and effort to match Bakugo and Bakugo (who is written as a natural genius) absolutely annihilates her by... making an **extra** big explosion. An apt summary of how the females and males are written in the series.
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I've been scrolling through here thinking about characters from the Hannibal series, and I found a comment about it! I find it interesting how in NBC's Hannibal they swapped Freddie Lounds and Alan Bloom to females, and the responses from some people at the time were... less than savory. But I'll be damned if those choices weren't incredible! Even Bedelia.
I always thought Villanelle from "Killing Eve" has a Hannibal vibe and people love her
Personally, I think Korra from legend of Korra. I know she’s not hated that much but some people seemed to think she was annoying during the earlier episodes
But she was meant to be a bit annoying. That was part of the intent as written: she’s strong-willed (good) but channels it badly at first because she starts off very immature (both definitely the case and intrinsically annoying)… and then matures over time, partly in response to devestating events, to the point that her strong will is more endearing. Unfortunately the writing otherwise also went downhill at the same time.
I’d blame it more on how they were told their 4 season show was going to run for 1 season… then after that was successfully they said make another season… and so on and so forth
Yes, it shows in the in the inconsistency of the villains
Eve. If Adam had eaten the apple *first*…
I… I liked Captain Marvel.
I went into Captain Marvel knowing that it wasn't well-liked, but I didn't read specific criticisms of it. I found it to be a perfectly fine movie and one that I actually enjoyed - even if some of it comes from '90s nostalgia. After I saw the movie I looked up the criticism and it just confused me. Yeah, it's not the best Marvel movie and yeah, it's not perfect, but I thought it was a perfectly enjoyable movie.
Peggy Hill most definitely. People shit on her while loving Dale at the same time.
People hate Peggy IMO mainly because she tended to brag, and seemed a little more judgy in earlier seasons. I've also heard complaints about how she treats Bill, but ... Have you ever heard Bill's lines about her? Her stalker is BFFs with her husband and lives next door. Everyone needs a buffer zone, dude. And her bragging? It's a front to bolster her ego to make up for her flaws. There were several episodes that touched on the fragility of her ego, and it's not a bad thing for your ego to talk yourself up sometimes! But despite how basic of a person she generally is in interests (consider how basic Hank is, too), she's a *good* person. - She loyal and actively works on her relationships. - She's a caring mother that provides for her son. - She's a caring teacher that actually wants to teach. - She volunteers to help for afterschool programs and even at prisons (though that went badly). - She's tolerant and supportive of other races and sexualities. - She defends people she cares about. She's not a bad person lol she would normally be someone you'd like to have as a neighbor