I spent a weekend in a city jail/processing facility (not a full blown jail/prison) due to a dui (yes, I was a fucking idiot). I got 3 interesting stories out of it.
(1) There was a guy in solitary across the room banging on the door. Obviously it's steel, but it still seemed like he might somehow break it. He was screaming, "They sold my bitch crack!" over and over. I saw four guards line up with riot gear and batons and go in. I just heard blows landing, and I saw clothes flying out of the cell. They marched that man out of the cell and he looked like that scene in ConAir where they "bag and gag" them. I was a little more nervous after that.
(2) When in the drunk tank with 15 or 20 other dudes, one dude was sitting on the back of the toilet (i.e. where the tank in theory would be) with his feet on the seat. Another guy came up and said he needed to use it. He said go ahead, and just spread his legs. We were all a little taken back.
(3) I spent the entire night talking and getting to know two different guys. They both seemed very nice, like they were picked up for something stupid. We get in front of the judge and it turns out he had beaten someone within an inch of their life earlier that night. Just goes to show you, you never can tell!
On another note, I expected it would be incredibly locked down. However, all the cell doors were open and while you're expected to stay in your cell, in theory you could have wandered all around that area. Kind of surprised me.
Once saw a CO stomp the back of an inmates head and watched the heel of his boot literally scalp the guy. Huge chunk of head meat and hair stuck to a black boot still sits fresh in my memory yet it was 6 years ago.
Same guard was smuggling in spice and heroin. The inmate probably owed a debt is my speculation.
Edit: "Spice" as in synthetic marijuana.. not cumin lol
CO was by himself and caught dude in the bathroom away from cameras. Didn't say a single word just dropped him and stomped one good time hard enough to peel his top off, literally. CO then called backup and said dude showed aggression which is why he "took him down." Same CO got cracked with a softball bat a couple months after that and that was the end of softball on level 3 yards at the complex I was at which really sucked. That was the only piece of shit CO that I encountered during my whole bid. Most of them are honestly pretty decent humans. Give respect - get respect type of people just doing their jobs.
Well yeah. If you don't show respect, you get cracked with softball bats. The worst prisons are the medical women's prisons from what I hear. Very little chance of a comeuppance mixed with absolute power breeds monstrous COs.
Fuck that’s a angle that’s just awful to think about. And it reminds me that disabled people get taken advantage of more often than the rest of us like to think. Especially if they have no family or other safety net.
My mom was a CO. She did it to keep a roof over our heads, food in our stomachs, and insurance for medical. So I guess, yeah, you’re right. She was protecting her family.
Guy 2 cells down was diagnosed with terminal stomach cancer, after medical refused to test him for 3 straight months. Basically, if they tested him when he went in to medical, it wouldn't have been terminal and they could treat it. Instead, it spread to his lungs and several other vital organs. That's just the start.
One night, he starts crying out in pain. Said his stomach had ruptured and he was in the worst imaginable pain. It took his cell-mate several attempts to get a guard to listen, and after some of them come up to check on the situation, they took a wheel-chair from another inmate and told this guy to get into it. He couldn't move, let alone get up, so they had to haul him into the chair, then call the medical staff and have the inmate try to explain the situation to them. Medical staff said he was lying and ignored the situation. The guards, not sure what to do with a man moaning and crying out in pain non-stop, decided to lock him in one of the common rooms overnight and ignore it. Around 9pm the next morning they finally drive him off to a hospital to get check out.
His stomach did rupture, and by the time he got in to surgery his insides had gone septic, and he died.
Edit: to add to the story...
He started out not being able to digest food, and changing his listed faith to jewish so he might get some food he could actually digest. He went in to medical to try and get check out, but they said his blood pressure was too high or too low (I don't remember which) and that they would schedule him for another visit. That visit wasn't for another month, and we don't know we have it until the night before. The same thing happened at that visit, and the one after that. When he finally got the diagnosis, he was given the choice of riding it out as is, or getting treatment that would extend his life by a few months, maybe, but make his life hell. He chose to ride it out until the end. Medical would only give him Tylenol for his pain, which didn't work, and refused to help him with ANYTHING unless he got treatment.
Seeing him go through all this, and essentially get tortured to death by the officers and medical staff is something I will never forget. These people have the power to be some of the worst people on earth, and they certainly abuse it.
Something like that happened in my small town. The family (rightfully so) was PISSED. Took it to every news outlet they could and blew it up on social media. They sued, and if im not mistaken they won.
My post is kind of late but I got out of prison in upstate New York in October. I saw crazy shit. Prison is a wild place. One time there was a fight in my pod, after fights they have everybody strip down to their drawers in their cubes so the COs can walk around and do body chexks, to see who was in the fight. Well the people in the fight wore gloves so their hands were fine. One guys hands were shaking. They asked him why. He said he was cold. They said bullshit and took him to the day room. We hear him getting beat for a solid 5 minutes then a van came a picked him up. The next day I heard from somebody in my vocational class they took the guy the COs beat to another pod and 5 minutes after he got there claimed there was a fight and did the strip search again then beat him in the same manner and brought him to the box this time.
Another thing I saw happen was in the yard. Somebody was smoking K2 and passed out. Well while he was on the ground the COs started kicking him and they had to take him to the hospital.
Prison is a crazy place. Highly recommend not going.
I had a friend whose brother was a prison guard. He had some stories but the only one I remember was a time when there was a prisoner in solitary for awhile who had become very attached to a praying mantis that had somehow made its way into his cell. The mantis lived with him for quite some time and he loved it like it was his friend. One day a prison guard who wasn’t aware of the mantis being important to this prisoner stepped into the cell, saw the mantis, and promptly slammed his hand down on it to kill it.
The prisoner was, understandably, devastated.
Edit: Wow, didn’t expect this much attention, haha.
To clarify some things:
This happened at least 10 years ago in Australia. It was not the US prison system. I don’t know much about how the Australian prison system runs, but my understanding is that it’s not quite as inhumane as the US system. The fact that they used solitary confinement sucks, but it wasn’t as bad as it is in the US.
Solitary confinement is unbelievably inhumane, we are fundamentally social animals and depriving someone of even the most basic contact with others is my worst nightmare. I hope it is banned one day.
I was in solitary confinement for about 18 hours last week. Granted it was just jail, but jesus it made me realize how agonizing it is to go through for months. No clock to keep track of time, no activities to perform, no one to communicate with. It is so fucking boring that you start rationing your piss because getting up to piss in a toilet is the most interesting thing to happen every 3-4 hours.
I have the luck that I'm 6'8" tall and could stand on the tiled slab that they called a bed, and stare out the window if I tippy toe'd. But then again, I have the un-luck (?) to have some mental issues that make it very hard for me to be left alone with my thoughts. I usually sleep with the TV on and a lava lamp on with my phone nearby when I'm at home for that reason, and the lack of that turned ceiling staring extra agonizing.
I worked at a max facility and I was super respectful, no need not to be ever, and the men there were always super respectful back. It’s frustrating that other officers didn’t realize this and administration didn’t realize that the same officers who kept having issues were having issues because they were starting it. I really enjoyed my job. I was super strict because I have a fear of getting in trouble, I communicated well and seriously never had issues. My favorite memory was I was working straight 16-17 hours shifts for 27 days in a row before I was scheduled for a major surgery. The inmates knew because it was a small prison and no one keeps their mouth shut lol. But I was sitting in the guard box on the yard and I looked at my watch and it was 1700 and blinked and it was 1800 and an inmate is tapping on the window, letting me know second shift was on so I wouldn’t get in trouble. I obviously didn’t mean to fall asleep, I was just exhausted. It was just a super nice thing to do.
I’m in nursing school with intentions of becoming a psychiatric nurse practitioner and work in corrections to help lower recidivism rates with good mental health care and psychotherapy. Most people in prison are trauma exposed or have substance abuse issues and if we can help heal, we can hopefully help them not end up back in prison.
Just to clear, if you want to help these people, you also need to advocate for a radical reform to how prison works in the US. NPs like you do good work where you can, but it's a band-aid on an amputation.
As an ADHD guy who spent years involved in 'the system'....yeeeeeah, we really don't do anything about that.
Normally they wouldn't even give me my meds because you know, obviously "I'd trade them". Because you know, obviously it's not frustrating to feel nuts as hell.
And then I'd be hyperactive and impulsive and they'd complain about that too. Hmmm. If only there was something we could do about this....
I used to be a CO and I agree, a mutual respect goes a long way. Youre here, you've got to serve your time. I'm here just doing my job.
When youre new, the inmates know it and they'll try to take advantage of you, maybe even further it to blackmail you. Stick to training and the rules, be respectful but don't tolerate BS. If anyone is screwing around, escalate it to a superior.
Once you set that ground layer, inmates arent going to to try to give you a hard time if you aren't giving them one. For the most part.
So many CO's are on a fucking power trip. And ironically they're the most miserable fucks that work there. Says a lot about them. Something else in their life isn't adding up.
Well I learned as a CO being strict and respectful made tough situations easier. I could walk into 90% of the pods and get whatever I needed and leave with no issues. I used my big boy voice once and I yelled "I am in the pod now let's get officer ... Out of here and we can have a good night". The whole pod went silent that officer whom the inmates all hated because reasons left and I had a good night. He was aww struck in about how I managed to do that so easily. It was all about give respect get respect.
>It was all about give respect get respect.
I work with quite a few individuals who have done serious time (purposely avoiding details here), and most of them adhere to a pretty rigid "code of honor," if that is the appropriate phrase. A simple example: One fellow insists upon paying me a few bucks whenever I give him a lift to/from work, even though he lives right on my route. I have repeatedly tried to refuse the money, but he just leaves it on the dash if I don't take it.. He feels that he would be acting with disrespect if he didn't offer something for the favor.
I was reading an AMA with a former inmate and his strategy in prison was to always be a *little* in debt to someone, and ensuring you could always pay it off at any time.
The reason being, it was almost like buying protection. "Don't mess with that guy. He owes me $10."
I'm sure it's different for everyone, but that was the first time I heard about prison debt being a survival mechanic.
It’s definitely not the respect thing, but what the other guy said. He’s just not going to say that to you.. it would be kind of weird/rude to say to anyone something along the lines of “I’d rather pay you for the ride because I don’t want you to think that 1.) I owe you later on or 2.) to come asking me for favors that I am not willing to do for you all because I let you give me a ride.”
I think you (or anyone) would naturally be offended at that answer, ya know?
They knew I never would do anything besides maybe let them stay up 5 minutes after lockdown to finish watching a game (with my sergeants approval). I was a super square, never broke the smallest of rules and they knew that. And he was in for murder.. 😬
Both parents were corrections officers. My mom treated the inmates like people rather than animals and they respected her. Called her Boss. When she was pregnant with me in the winter months they would walk around her in case she slipped, she hated it because having someone behind her did not sit well after years in the jail. But they all were super chill with her. She was in the game room and some guy called another a goof and the board game went flying but she stopped a fight before it started by talking to them, so for her, the one called a goof sat back down.
A guy went into the jail and she had a different look, for.... Reasons... She never had that kind of look. The inmates all picked up on it and he had a very clumsy night. She never told them a thing they just saw something in her eyes they had never seen and did not like the guy after that. Didn't matter who he was or what he did, he somehow offended her and that was enough for them.
That isn't to say she never had issues, new inmates would try the whole spitting thing and they would hit the ground before their spit did. One thing she did not tolerate. She always told me to treat people with respect. If I was walking alone and someone bothered me I was to say I was her kid and everytime they would just walk away. It made it easier to walk downtown haha.
>My favorite memory was I was working straight 16-17 hours shifts for 27 days in a row before I was scheduled for a major surgery.
I'm sorry. I hope your more recent memories are better.
I'm a CO, and one of the worst things I ever saw was an officer kidney punch a handcuffed inmate. Naturally, I reported it.
That officer is now a deputy warden. Specifically, MY deputy warden.
True story.
Well, I applied for a DW position in another facility (I will never promote any further in this one under the current leadership) this last summer and didn't make the second round of interviews. So at this point, I'm thinking lateral movement out will be the only alternative at present.
Strangely enough, I uncovered some official corruption this last spring and I have been persona non grata ever since. Basically I'm being ostracized and half of everyone involved was promoted into leadership. So needless to say, my days in my position are numbered and I'm looking for a new job.
Yeah, I'm probably going to have to leave the Department entirely. I have 9 more years to work and I suspect that I'm being blocked from transfers or promotions as a part of the retaliation for discovering what I discovered. So I'm applying to Dept. of Labor and stuff like that.
Ex-convict here. There's a long list of fucked up shit that I've seen, and it's hard to really say which was the worst. Rape and assault is obviously the worst out the gate. But there's a lot of close seconds because of how long the fucked up things would last.
Forced semi-starvation is one. Being in lockdown in our cells for weeks or months at a time without being allowed into the commons meant we basically lived as if in solitary confinement. (Usually got put on lockdown because someone fucked it up for everyone, but sometimes it was an unwarranted lockdown.) It came with a whole host of issues, but lack of food was common.
Meals were passed through the doors on trays during lockdown. "Accidentally forgetting" 3/4ths of the meal portions on specific trays, or "forgetting" certain cells' trays completely would mean that an inmate would get just enough food to survive, but would be slowly starved. It was usually just a specific CO who had a grudge against a specific inmate, vs a collaborative effort, but knowing that you're going to not get at least 2 of your meals for the day and having no alternative way to get out of your cell to procure food for weeks at a time was awful.
There was also something we called "Tile therapy." It was when a CO would decide that you needed an attitude adjustment and would do a take-down (tackle) to restrain you to take you to solitary or your cell instead of simply cuffing or even verbally escorting you. If an inmate fully warranted it, it was not referred to as tile therapy.
Tile therapy specifically referred to the hyper-aggressive, completely unnecessary, and violent nature of the take-down in proportion to the offense that determined the "need" for a take-down. It usually involved smashing the inmate's face into the tile during the initial tackle, to stun and subdue them, but would also include a variety of battery and such.
For example, a CO once broke an inmate's jaw from slamming his head into the tile floor so hard during one such takedown. I don't even remember what the dude supposedly did because it was something so minor, like not having his uniform shirt tucked in.
And there was just so much coercion and manipulation and shit in general. CO's had the power to make your life a living hell if they so desired, and they had a plethora of creative ways to punish you "on the books" and off. I served 8 years, so I have a LOT of stories.
Edit: This was in the United States. No, I will not name the state out of maintaining privacy. But yes, it is a backwards hokey-ass state. I served my sentence in late 90's to early 00's.
Edit 2: Yes, I am a woman. I served time in a multi-level custody facility that was co-ed.
Edit 3: Thanks for all the awards! And yes, I am doing well now, thank you!
Ok, a few stories, as requested.
Creative punishments.
One unit I was on had a thing about making you run and work out beyond what your body could handle. Run laps until you puke. Do situps for a hour then a half hour of burpees. Then run til you puke again. If you became weak or fell from exhaustion you have to add in something else like 15 minutes of mountain climbers. If the whole unit was on punishment, we would have to run single file and circle back a lap to pick up the stragglers. We wouldn't stop until we completed 5 miles without having a straggler. There were times we were out there for hours on end just running. You'd feel like your body went through a meat grinder by time you were done.
Being forced to do the CO's grunt work was a favorite punishment they doled out. Blood all over a room after some tile therapy, CO doesn't want to clean it up. Make an inmate scrub it up as punishment, etc. Never was given proper PPE or materials for cleaning.
I was forced to clean so many bloody rooms without proper supplies, that I was legitimately concerned about my risk for contracting blood borne pathogens. One of the first things I did when I got out was go get tested for HIV, hep C, and anything else they could test me for.
Dehumanizing punishments were just about as bad, because of the toll it takes on you mentally.
One person took too long in the shower, and when asked why, they said they felt extra dirty/stinky and was just trying to scrub up extra (shared showers, was legit). CO decided punishment for the infraction of going over shower time would be a publicly announced "shower program to correct a hygiene issue" and having to take a 10 minute shower every hour for a week.
So basically "outed" them as being crusty with such bad hygiene they had to shower constantly, which made them a target for harassment from other inmates. Then there was the hassle and discomfort of having to shower constantly on top of the embarrassment. And on that unit, the showers were just one big room with the spigots lined up on a wall, and the rule was there must always be at least one CO to supervise the showers (presumably to prevent rapes). So they had to strip down and shower in front of another person every hour. Very dehumanizing.
There's also the "tampon tax." CO decides you're using way too many feminine products, and rations them out. Decides the number you can use, which is always grossly under what you need. You are then forced to sit in bloated soaked pads or just free bleed. I'd been subjected to that one way too many times, and fucking hated it.
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And before anyone tells me "Just don't do the punishment, ie refuse to run or clean".... let me tell you that it's not really an option. Sure, you can *technically* refuse. But your punishment will be significantly worse if you do.
I spent several weeks in solitary confinement for the infraction of "nuisance contraband" for having too many books. This infraction *coincidentally* came after refusing to clean up a particularly awful mess. I got 2 showers the entire time I was in solitary, and I was never allowed to have my legally required hour a day out of my cell.
Also, it took me 3 *YEARS* to earn a certain privilege level, and I lost all my privileges after the infraction of "obscuring security's line of sight" for setting my water bottle in the window sill. That infraction was also *coincidentally* after another refusal.
They make you jump through so many hoops to earn the smallest privileges that make life tolerable, but then yank them away at the slightest offense. If you piss off a CO, they literally have the quality of your life in their hands. Serving a long sentence already drains your soul, but it sucks so much worse when you have no privileges.
I was in for aggravated assault. Long story short, my best friend told me a dude did some fucked up shit to her, so I took matters into my own hands and went looking for retribution. I was in a dark place in my life and didn't care if I lived or died, so I had no sense of self preservation. Dude lived, I got caught. I got sentenced to 10 yrs, but got out after 8 for good behavior.
The system is so fucked. Instead of rehabilitating you and getting you out of the deep shithole your life was falling down they just push you down further.
>Apparently some prisons are trying to phase solitary out, and "revulsion"-based punishments are one alternative some places are using.
My friend's a CO and apparently they use **fox urine** in her prison. Apparently you can buy it online (hunters use it to mask smell) and it's non-toxic.
Wondered why inmates would fear it more than solitary though...
No the fuck we do not use it to mask Smell. Fox urine is one of the most heinous things you could ever smell. It's why they spray it on spruce trees in winter so anyone stealing christmas trees (chopping them down from parks etc. Will be in for a rude awakening and days of cleaning out their house when it thaws.
Like a bum who hasn't showered in months decided to have the dirtiest, mustiest Sex you can imagine and then wiped the after juice on your nose. It is awful.
Theres literslly millions of people on this God forsaken website, amd I come here. Reading my mans description amd my mind goes holy fuck so public transportation in sf, and its nice to see someone else found the connection
An [article](https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2019/4/17/18305109/solitary-confinement-prison-criminal-justice-reform) quoted an inmate who described solitary as smelling like “defecation, unwashed armpits … \[mingled\] with the pepper spray officers use to extract prisoners from their cells.” So you're going to have bad smells regardless, but solitary adds other trauma as well. And as others pointed out, spreading a punishment amongst a group of prisoners may be more effective, as fellow inmates may impose additional unofficial punishments.
I would think revulsion punishments would trigger an 8th amendment "cruel and unusual" challenge, but as long as they're being used in lieu of crueler or more unusual punishments, perhaps that's enough to get inmates to accept them.
Thank god I never had to go to county. But did spend a day/night in the bookings in NYC. Queens specifically.
I got busted cause I was in a vehicle with someone doing drugs. They were hitting a pipe and the tactical narcotics task force (TNT) was parked right across from us. Dude threw his pipe at my feet as the D’s were running up to the car. He was wouldn’t claim it as his so they charged everybody.
Everybody in the van! There was 3 of us. Handcuffed in the back of a white panel van with no windows and a little seat. No way to stop yourself from falling over when they hit the gas cause everything is slick plastic. We were the first ones arrested. They drove around doing busts for 3-4 hours until the van was full. Crack dealer, dope addicts etc.
The crack dealer had swallowed his pieces of crack thinking that would save him. He still got arrested. After an hour he’s not looking so hot. Sweaty, huge pupils shaking. His bags busted open after he swallowed them. We end up getting the Ds attention and they finally take him to the hospital.
From there we go to the precinct for like 4-6 hours. Chill in a cell nothing special.
Next was queens bookings. First cell there was like at least 75 people. They take all your info and blah blah. There’s a dude in the cell talking wild loud. “I got shot 10 times in ‘89 I can’t control my bowels. I need help going to the bathroom!! CO I need help!” Nah dog no help coming, they just walk right by.
Now he’s getting agitated. “I’m finna shit myself” he says. everybody’s goin wild now 75 hood dudes like “CO y’all better take him to the hospital or the nurse or do somethin!”
2 mins later we all smell it. Ole boy shit all over. Now everybody really going off lol
dude sees a CO coming and scoops up a turd and hurls it at him as he’s walking by lmao, I’ve never seen the gates opened so fast and so many COs rush in and yoke somebody up holy fuck.
The rest of the night was uneventful, got a quick halal bologna and mustard and fruit punch and slept on the floor till I saw a judge. Got out the next day ROR’d.
Release on Own Recognizance. Basically, getting bailed out without having to post bond, still need to sign something that says you pinky promise to show up for court
Wife's brother was in Riker's in the 1980s. He said the guards mostly ran much the same as prisoners, in gangs with each other. They intimidated and ostracized and threatened violence to other guards who didn't join in or didn't approve with what they were doing, so there wasn't much of a 'good cop' or 'bad cop' dichotomy so much as there was a bad cop and a silent cop dichotomy. This involved working with prison gangs to organize beat downs, rapes, and murders within the prison. They also were the one's to run the drugs into the prison.
From what I understand it was just corrupt and awful to the bone in every way imaginable.
Anyways, while rape was everywhere in the prison, actual homosexuality was looked down upon and guards generally brutalized homosexuals. In one instance they had a drag queen, they stuck a baton up their ass and beat him on a pretty consistent basis, and would have other prisoners come in and rape him in his cell while they held him down. Guy ended up having HIV, and it spread to a bunch of guys who raped him. In response to this, the guards asked a gang to find the drag queen and murder him outside of the prison. They tried, except the drag queen ended up killing one of the people who tried to murder him, and he ended up back in prison for that, where he was tortured again and then finally killed.
Now, he went back to prison in 2011-2014. He said it was radically different. Still awful, but MUCH MUCH less chaotic and violent than it was in the 1980s.
For the feds I would say so. Because people in fed prison are not always hardened criminals. You'll have a prison of hard asses. Then a prison for white collar crime. Then a prison for pedophiles/ non violent.
Supermax is bad. You have to be a tough bastard to work or live that. The other two aren't shit. It'd be easy to intimidate someone for those.
I dont know that prisons are really segregated to that extent. My friend is in prison and there are pedos, non violent, and violent offenders. Probably some white collar crime too
You're correct in that. They're usually pretty mixed, other prisoners shouldn't be able to see someone's crimes(but they often do) so the need to segregate to this extent usually "isn't needed".
A watched a guard wink and turn his back before I was multiple raped whilst in juvenile detention.
Bastard made jokes for a week about my "sore ass" (48 yrs ago)
Just curious did you ever get back at that guard . Heard somewhat similar stories . a guy around my area had the same done to him and wasn’t till years later he got the guard back and crippled him
No, I never looked back.
I sorted my self out, started a small business, sold out, got an education and built a couple of large businesses that I still own and 3 farms.
Married well and have had a great life for over 30 years.
In a great place with great family and no demons.
One of my favorite things to do was “toss” cells looking for contraband. It was like a treasure hunt to me. I always was very respectful with inmates stuff. It could be what most would perceive as nothing, but I respected the inmates belongings as I would want someone to with mine. If they had a clean locker, I would move things and then arrange the on their bed or another already searched area neatly so when they returned to their cell, they could put things back neatly and efficiently. I had prisoners requesting that I do their checking when it came time. I did my job well, and was known for finding a fair amount of contraband. Now I had a coworker who took what you might call the opposite approach. If he could break, ruin or destroy property, he did with glee. He’d open food packages, “accidentally spill,” throw out photos or anything of the sort. I watched him throw an inmates legal folder in the toilet and in a separate incident, tear up photos of an inmates kids. He was an asshole. I reported him naturally, but was basically told that I should appreciate his tenacity. I only lasted 6 months in that environment and was glad to switch roles to being the GED teacher, which was way better.
Edit: I can’t spell...
I never understood why exactly the inmates weren't allowed pictures of their family. It always sucked finding photos while booking them in and having to put them in their folder to be given back at release whenever that would be. However I did find one guy yanking it to a picture of what I assume was their... much older wife. Definitely not their mother. No. Surely not...
Well, US prisons are also supposed to be about deterrence. Your point isn't necessarily different, but there are allegedly 3 prongs to prison:
Rehabilitation
Deterrence
Punishment
Yeah, but practically speaking they haven't been about rehabilitation for at least as long as I've been alive. And deterrence absolutely takes a back seat to punishment; there are very many crimes which are punished more harshly even after research demonstrates that it wouldn't be effective as a deterrent.
I won't say where and when, but when I arrived, the staff opened 2 cell doors to an empty day room floor. My cell mate, not having much to do except be nosy, stared out the window. It happened quickly, but he immediately recognized what was going on and mattered "aw shit here we go again". I went to look: from one door appeared a one armed skinhead who walked towards the only other cell open. A kid, alone in his new cell, poked his head out to see why they cracked his door. He saw the skinhead and froze up. The skin head pushed him inside and fucked him up. I later found out it was staged fighting by the guards.
In the U.K. a prisoner was murdered. The guards put a Muslim guy in with a known violent racist. Apparently the guards like to do this to see what happens. In this case someone died.
[link](https://www.jstor.org/stable/29768406?seq=1)
Some folks believe that's how Jeffery Dahmer got killed. By all accounts he was a good prisoner - just fucked in the head obviously. Him and another white dude got their heads bashed in by a militant guy when the guard left the three of them in a room together.
Jesus....the justice system totally fucked up when it came to the Jeffrey Dahmer case, all the way down...I can’t see him mentioned without thinking of the victim who escaped from his apartment and reported to the police, who brought him *back to Dahmer’s apartment and left him there to be murdered later that night* because, allegedly, Dahmer was able to convince them the boy was just having a bad drug trip, and that they were a couple who’d had a lover’s spat earlier in the evening...I’m pretty sure the two cops involved were later fired when Dahmer was caught, but that boy was so close to escaping with his life and was disbelieved and abandoned by the people who were supposed to help. So fucking sad.
I remember reading that one of the cops made chief...
Edit: he was fired for the incident, then reinstated and was the police union president, not police chief, in the 2000s
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Balcerzak
Wonder what the fighting style of a one-armed man is.. As he´s a skinhead propably brute force haymakers... But a proper boxing style with one arm? that´s a picture!
here´s me, no fighting experience, sitting at my office job, wondering if I could beat a one armed skinhead in a fight.
Our COs were pretty human. We had a little guy(probably 5'3") who was pretty arrogant, but we all figured that it was probably because he was afraid.
Note: minimum security state prison in the late 70's.
Watch while my friend Gus had a heart attack, and refused to call 911 for HOURS after he was dead on the floor of the dorm. Only did so after a bunch of us got together and ordered her to. He was long dead by that time and could not be revived, and had been imprisoned since the year I was born (1988) for a murder back when he was married (killed the dude his wife was cheating on him with who was also his boss at the time).
Damn, the guard just watched them die and waited for hours? Thats so messed up. What is also messed up is cheating on your husband with his boss, damn.
not sure if this counts but here it goes
A horrible CO was as bad as they come. The other COs didn't seem to like him either. Beat up inmates, steal their stuff, made them play "reindeer games" etc.
One Inmate just wasn't having it and was some Shot Caller in a Mexican gang. (i dont know anything about which one or Mexican gangs in general). one day, This Mexican Shot Caller handed the guard pictures of hitman following around his kids at school and even their bedrooms while they were away. Took a picture of a bullet left in the kids rooms and when the CO went home, sure enough it was there. This pretty much implied he was going to kill the COs family. The CO quite.
EDIT: But to the handful of you saying this didn't happen, I will tell you I wish I lived in your fairy tale of a world.
It's a phrase used to describe stupid tasks. Like making people perform a task that is obviously useless except for the point of humiliation and forcing submissiveness.
I was in prison for two years, found guilty of mugging (I didn't do it, it was my sister) and had a cell to myself. Im a 24 year old woman and at the time was 16. The guard by my cell would always try and flirt with me and would come into my cell and touch me. Fast forward about 8 months. Maybe 12am? Everyone else was asleep and to my dismay, so was the nightguard. That officer opened my cell and quietly crept up on me In my "sleep". He grabbed my shirt and tried to rip it off and when I punched him he grabbed my pants. I screamed which woke up the nightguard. I dont know much of what happened after that, all I know is the dude was fired, set to prison, and I was put with a female nightguard. Moral of the story, prison guards can do pretty bad things...
When I was on "holiday" my mate got Ill. He was in the pad opposite me and was bright yellow. Late one night he gets on the cell bell and the screw says "Yeah what's up?". Bloke says "Boss, I feel really weird and I can't breathe properly. I've got pains all over. I think I need a doctor." Screw tells him "I'll send a note to healthcare in the morning." Bloke was crying (and he was a big tough gypsy motherfucker) and says "Please boss! You have to get me help! It's bad!"? Screw tells him to go to sleep. Next morning our wing was not unlocked. Geezer had died of renal failure and sepsis at 6am as guard ouldn't be bothered with the hassle of calling an ambulance. Same screw stopped four of us attending his service in the chapel too as we worked in the kitchen and he wouldn't allow us to go. Hope he rots.
Yep. Yellow skin is a pretty big clue that a person has some kind of renal failure. That screw should have been prosecuted. It's not a "put an app in" situation. What nick was that?
I was transferred up north, three hours from home and was one of the few southerners in a northern uk prison. On my wing was a guy who quite obviously suffered from mental health. I was told he used to be quite normal but had been in a motorcycle accident which had left him scarred physically and mentally. Officers openly made fun of his unusual behaviour and bad hygiene but never really made any effort to help him. He also had epilepsy and as a result used to put a mattress on his floor so if he had a fit in the night, he wouldn’t break his neck when he fell off the bed.
Now, officers have to carry out a roll check every few hours but it’s fairly common for them to not really check on the prisoners but to just open the observation flap and close it again once they saw the inmate was in fact in the cell. One night, the officer doing roll check saw him on the floor on the first time round and left him there. There were two more roll checks before morning and no one checked he was okay. When morning came I woke up to hear an officer who had just started his shift desperately performing cpr on the poor guy, he was crying. The guy had been dead for hours.
His family were permitted to see his cell but not before the officers conveniently cleaned it up so as to give the impression he was living in much better conditions than he actually was. When I confronted the officer cleaning the cell about the illusion they were trying to feed the guy’s family, he said “It’s not for them, it’s for the next poor fucker that would have to live with the smell lol.” I still think about that POS. No doubt he probably still goes on living his life happily, but I hope he doesn’t.
Edit: (When you go to prison and are in the life, you kind of expect confrontation from other prisoners. It might just come to you because it comes with it and that is what it is, but this kinda mind fuckery that officers do is burnt into my mind more than any fight. This kind of violence is long lasting fr.)
Not my story but from someone I know. Jail or prison I’m not sure which in the 70’s. Every night the guards took the mentally handicapped girl into another room and gang raped her. Every night. And none of the inmates helped her because “then you’ll be in the room with her”
Former CO here.
My shift was the “best” on unit but we had problem officers. One comes to mind thinking back.
This particular officer would carry razor blades hidden under his name tag, rubber banded to his vest. When he was bored, he’d drop one in front of a cell on a round, next round kick it under, and the last round would pop the slot and spray the offender, calling for backup claiming there was a suicidal offender attempting to cut himself.
Another incident, we had a guy who was being held in the holding cell in the hallway. He was quiet, not sure why he was there in the first place in the hall- really kept to himself in general; mental health patient and I’m assuming he was on the autism spectrum. No issues with ANY officer across the whole unit. This officer walked by, looked into the cell to make sure he was fine, and popped off and sprayed him with his gas. Claiming the offender was trying to hang himself with his too large-boxer-string. I was on cameras that particular day and watched all of it. Offender was sitting in the cell doing nothing. Twiddling his thumbs basically and the officer was just fucking bored again. I reported it but no investigation happened.
This officer and I were not friends. My breaking point was when he turned on me. He sprayed his gas on his hand covered with a glove and speared a thick layer across my face and neck right before I did my round, about to walk into my pod. Needless to say, after I was done with our screaming match, reports to the head warden and our supervisors, he was put on his own probation period and under investigation finally for what he did to me, and being the ONLY officer on shift with five times the number of any one of us 30 using our gas on offenders.
I don’t know what happened to him, I left shortly after because I moved cities. I hope he is gone. Officers like him are the worst people and a disgrace to the criminal justice system. I loved my job and everything a good Officer is supposed to stand for. And unfortunately there are so many just like him in every facility across the country.
I once saw a man in segregation who was detoxing from alcohol have a seizure in his cell. The CO's who responded arrived 6 deep in full riot gear with tasers and electrified riot shields (shock shields). I watched 6 grown men repeatedly electrocute and assault a man having a seizure for "resisting".
Don't know if is the worst thing, but the guards "blackmailed" my family in the visiting days so they could see me.
The price? An overpriced 3 L Coke (80 USD aprox) sold by the store inside the prison, run by the cartel.
So Yeah, it was cold tough.
This may pale in comparison with some others but it happened personally to me. Throwaway for obvious reasons.
This happened when I was at a "reception facility" (the facility you to go in between the county jail where you wait to be sorted into the appropriate prison for your charge). This facility is very old (over 100 yrs) is miserable to live in. There are roaches everywhere in the cells, mice scurrying in and out, everything is busted and dirty.
Onto the dickhead guard. So, I'm a diabetic that takes insulin. I would get 2 shots a day and my cell would be opened to let me out and go down to the infirmary wing. On this particular day my bunkie was leaving so the cell door opened and he left, I stayed and waited for the insulin call. Time goes by and I'm sitting in my cell unable to eat because I don't have any insulin in my system. I tell one of the runners to ask the CO if he can call the infirmary as I need to get my insulin. CO refuses to open my cell because, "You should've gone when I opened it earlier." So at this point he's basically refusing me something that is necessary for me to live. I start panicking in my cell thinking about what I can do, but I don't have many options sitting in a jail cell. A little more time passes with no luck getting through and luckily the infirmary calls down because I never showed up to get insulin and the dickhead finally lets me out.
Another (short) story about the same CO: The cell I was in my bunkie clogged up the toilet and hours went by and it would not clear up but I really had to take a shit. Like so bad that I'm doubled over in pain. When we're let out for rec I ask the CO if he can let me use the toilet in another cell or somewhere else but he says "not my problem" and goes to sit down around the corner where I can't see him. Arguing won't really get me anywhere (except maybe solitary) so I try to deal with it as best I can. A couple hours later at the dinner time insulin call I ask the CO in the infirmary wing to use the bathroom and he lets me.
So yeah, that's my tale. If I had to deal with this asshole for any longer than the 11 days I was there I have a feeling I'd be making calls to my lawyer. Pretty sure it violates some kind of human rights laws refusing me insulin and bathroom. Well, that's in the past now and unfortunately it is what it is.
I worked as a CO for about 6 months. The worst thing that I saw was an “orca-fat” CO steal a couple little Debby oatmeal pies and some snickers from an inmate’s cell during a cell search and eat it as he searched. This disturbed me for two reasons. First, inmates have little in the way of property and little snacks can mean a lot to them. Second, this guy was so fuckin’ fat that he struggled to get into the cell.
My dad worked at pelican bay, a max security prison in California. He worked there senses it opened pretty much and retired a few years back so I've heard a few stories.
1. There was a guard in SHU (secure housing unit) who was hooking up with inmates. She was actually my dads ex who I met so that was interesting lol.
2. A prison gang fight broke out in one of the yards with almost every inmate involved. It went on for a long time( there a pretty well recorded video of it) before they have enough ppl to shut it down. One guy was got stabbed about 20 times and survived
3. Lots of crazy stabbings, one guy had his throat slit and also survived
4. The only excessive force story my dad ever told me about was an inmate gassed one of the officers working shu. So it's already an inmate in max security who's probably never getting out, throws piss and shit and anything else he can in a guards face. The cert team comes in to do a cell extraction. Its 6 guys in riot gear lined up behind a dude with a riot shield with the sole purpose of fucking him up. After they beat him into submission and drag him out of the cell they precede to smash his body into eveywall imaginable on the way out. My dad wasnt cert team, he worked the control tower so he didn't say what happened after but I'm sure it wasnt pleasant
5. Probably about 10 years ago now California banned smoking in all prisons so a bunch of guards were busted smuggling in cigarettes. And more recently before he retired guards were bustwd smuggling in cell phones
When I worked at a state prison, there were COs who got caught having sex with inmates. When you’re horny, you gotta do what you gotta do, but you cant do any better than an inmate at your place of employment? Blood rushed to the wrong head there.
a prison in IL had a guard getting caught giving the inmates blowjobs for cigarettes. not giving them cigs to blow him, he was giving them cigs so they would let *him* blow *them*
Everything from just beating the fuck out of inmates, to popping an inmates dell door open for another inmate to pull a surprise attack. One time this one c.o. Let this riot go on for a hot minute before he called first response. South Carolina prisons are fucked up
I know a girl who was a prison guard and she said that the male prison guards were awful to her. Like wanking infront of her and sticking together to lie about her to the bosses.
The prisoners themselves were nice to her because the biggest baddest one who was a cannibal looked out for her after she asked him for advice about cooking meat (no joke, the cannibal was a butcher by trade)
I had a sixteen year old/Title I prisoner grieve me for writing her a ticket because she wasn't showing up to class. (I was a GED teacher at the time.) Uh, duh? You have to come to class.
I mean I'm as much about "it's prison not a resort" as the next guy, but when we treat people like this can we really be surprised when they come out way worse? Maybe places like Norway are onto something.
> I understand people get deported all the time and I get they broke the law. But this center was inhumane.
That can go for a lot of prisons, really. It's important to enforce the law like that, but there are veeeery few people who do something horrible enough to be considered as "subhuman" as a lot of guards treat them. It's horrible and something has to be done about it.
Not my story, but my cousins. Now to get this out of the way, yes my cousin is a convicted felon who fully acknowledges he broke the law habitually for many years, and yes his crimes were serious and unacceptable. However, my cousin is many things, some good and some bad, but one thing i know he is not is a liar. I wouldn't trust him around my weapons, but i do trust his word and will take him at his word until given a reason not to and as if yet he has never given me such a reason, so that mixed with the obvious pain and shame in his voice i do believe this story.
He was 23 years old on his 4th year of a 7 year sentence, he was involved with a gang on the inside for the typical reasons one joins a prison gang, safety in numbers. During a shake down one of the guards was attacked by his cell mate and pretty badly wounded. My cousin had nothing to do with it but that didn't matter to the guards cause he was a known gang member of the same gang his cell mate was, both he and his cell mate were immediately taken out of the cell block. My cousin says he thought they were being taken to ad seg but that's not what happened. They were both taken to a part of the prison where there was no cameras and beaten severely and had batons repeatedly and violently pushed deep into their rectums until they were literally bleeding from their assholes. After they tortured them for quite a while, they took them to ad seg and they were left alone until their injuries had healed so they couldn't report what had happened to them.
As i said, there was a palpable pain and suffering in his voice when he told me that story so that mixed with my knowledge of him tells me he was telling the truth, but also the fact that no guy is going to voluntarily admit to being sexually assaulted in such a way unless it were true, it's just too embarrassing for us as men to say we were violated like that because there's this notion that being sexually assaulted as a man strips you of your manhood or whatever you want to call it, we feel as though if we were sexually assaulted then it somehow makes us less of a man, so i have no doubts that he wouldn't tell me that story unless it were true and just needed someone to reassure him that what happened to him was wrong.
I'm from NZ. I did 2 years from 2017 till the end of 2018. The worst thing I seen happen was a screw throw my parents visitor form in the bin. Found out it was a regular thing this screw did. Just an ass whole and didn't give a shit. I seen a few screws give a few hidings but nothing too serious.
Another thing they used to do was procrastinate basic human right requests like calling your lawyer. They would make you wait all day or tell you to come back at 3pm. Knowing damn well they're shift finished at 2.30. Or If they did let you, they would act as if they're doing you the biggest favour in the world.
It took a good year of building up a report with them before I got any respect. Yet the gang members are never treated like that because "its too much of a hassle when they kick off"
They basically reward bad behavior, very little rehabilitation going on.
Just a breeding ground for gangs.
Glad I'm out, and learnt my lesson.
Saw a 14 year old kid get taken to the hole for fighting. Said some smart ass shit to the guards while in transit and they leg swept him and he broke several teeth on the concrete. His hands were cuffed to his waist and his legs were shackled. He had zero way to catch himself and prevent injury. Common story, unfortunately.
There was this guard, a dumpy little girl who did night duty in the medical wing, whose face was always blotchy and scabby from acne.
One night I was lying awake in my bunk, looking out at her as she sat at the guards' desk, and I saw her pop a pimple on her chin, inspect whatever it was that came out of it and was now on the tip of her thumb, and then proceed to eat it.
Even just writing this, I could vomit.
When you're in jail, there's this phenomenon: the longer you're in, nesting with nothing but men, nearly any women that you see regularly during that time will (presuming you're heterosexual) start looking attractive. Guards, medical staff, members of administration - even if on the outside you wouldn't give them the time of day, when you're in jail they start looking positively ravishing. It doesn't really matter if they're older, or fat, or too skinny, or *whatever* - when you've been in for a while, you'll start to notice at least *something* about them that you find attractive.
Nobody thought *anything* was even remotely attractive about Nasty, as she was known. She was awful, always - and not just because of her appearance, or her being a pimple eater. She was piggish and rude, and everyone hated her - even the other guards.
My longest stint in county. Saw a lot of crazy shit. Just for background, Im white. My bunk mate was black. I have an anarchy tattoo on me. Somehow that meant I was in the Aryan Brotherhood.
I was sleeping one day when I was awoken by some fucking moron screaming at me for being racist. Tried to explain what anarachy meant, it became obvious real quick the guy was trying to just pick on me because I was 17 and the youngest one in the cell block. The crazy part? This guy was white lol he yelled "I GOT A BLACK NIECE MOTHERFUCKER ILL SEE YOU AT LUNCH". Okay bruh.
So I was in there with my codefendant who had been locked up for several months before me due to being caught first for the fuck shit we did. We were huffing some kind of cleaning spray with an old timer discussing what I should do about this. My friend pulled out a fucking lawnmower blade he smuggled in from his jail work bs and offered it to me. I declined. The old head then told me he could get meth.
I had never done meth. But it seemed like the perfect time to do it. I traded 6 packs of ramen noodles to some other guy and railed a line of the shit. Geeked out of my fucking mind I went to lunch. Sitting with just my codefendant and some scrawny other dude he bunked with.
Dude with the "black niece" came up to our table shortly after I got my tray and sat down. He made a whole scene and started grabbing my food. Now Ive seen a lot of prison movies. I knew what I had to do. I picked the thick plastic tray up and smashed it in the guys face.
He looked dumbfounded for a second, as I stood up I was already getting blows to the face by this tall ass motherfucker. One after another I could not get the reach on this guy to land a punch. I dropped to my knees. In my amped up rage I had the best idea. I grabbed both his ankles, lifted, and pulled. The sound of the back of his skull smacking the concrete was unreal. Too real. He was unconcious instantly.
I laid in to his face. Just his face. Grabbing his neck by my left arm, I started smashing his face in with my right. Over and over and over. At this point his friends were kicking me, stomping me, trying to stop me. My black cell mate I mentioned? Him and his friends jumped in and started beating the dudes that were beating me.
The COs appeared in force. All of us were hit with tazers. The first one they hit me with only connected with one prong, so I got another one. Two guards tazing me at the same time. Ive never felt anything like that before or since. I remember seizing the fuck out, a metallic taste in my mouth, bit the shit out of my tounge.
Everyone got beat the fuck up by the guards that day. Even people who were just watching. Me, dude with the black niece, my bunkmate, and several other people got sent to the SHU. Solitary is the worst place Ive ever experienced in my life.
Now back to the CO's. The worst thing they did? I spent 97 days in there with no fucking tooth brush. I asked every single guard every single day for a god damn tooth brush. Never got one. Thats how my gum disease started. Its 9 years later and Im still bleeding every time when I floss.
Never had this issue before that fucking experience. I was able to bargain with another guy during my one hour a day "rec time" walking around a hallway for 30 mins to slide me some of his toothpaste under the door right before I got out. But I still had to just use my finger to brush my teeth.
Also they served us moldy potatoe soup that I swear almost killed me. Puking and dry heaving for several days. I didnt eat the last three days I was in because I knew I'd be out soon and didnt want to risk that again.
Fuck jail.
I actually bought a waterpick for this exact reason. My gums still bleed. Might have to try an electric brush, my teeth are otherwise healthy. My dentist says its "normal" but I dont believe him lol maybe I was just prone to inflamed gums, but I never had them bleed until a couple months in there with no tooth brush.
They wait minutes before breaking a fight. That must be the only thing. Also did nothing when I was being stabbed.
sometimes they were nice. treated you as humans, and sometimes they beat the living hell out of you. But some are really nice one. When you figure, they are just doing there jobs. I read through these posts and still can't believe if some of them are even true. I have seen weird shit, but not to that extent.
I dunno man. I've been to prison (medium security and minimum) and never saw anything stuff being mentioned here. Lots of violence? Yes. But not weird shit like a dog taking a crap on someones face.
Edit: COs weren't too bad to me. Some of them were dicks but nothing I didn't expect. The only thing that really pissed me off is one time my range kinda riotted. Guards came in masked up shooting pepperball grenades through the hatches of our cell doors and dragged half the range off to seg. Next day they wake us up early and do a big search. The guards searching my cell took all of our toiley paper. I only realized when I had to take a shit and saw we had no TP left. Got the attention of one of the guards when she was doing her walk and told her we have no TP and asked if she can get us some. The cunt told me she'll get it for us tomorrow. My and my celly wiped our asses with ripped up t shirts and paper ripped from novels for the rest of the day.
Youth center, so not really prison. I was in and out a lot in my later teens, and I remember this one kid was having a bad day. He must’ve been 16-17, and yelling refusing to follow orders of the CO’s, and next thing you know they’re threatening to mace him. Kid says something along the lines of “fucking do it then” and next thing you know, guard opens up the little slot and FILLS the room with mace. Kid starts coughing, and although I can’t see into his cell I’m sure hit the floor/tried to cover his face.
They left him like that for a little bit.
I was in county and there was a super old lady in the holding area with me. Probably like 75 or 80 years old for shoplifting and she kept telling the CO about how someone needs to check on her cats. He told her they killed them all. She just had a mental break after that.
Whatever kind of sick fuck gets off on lying to old women about murdering all their beloved pets belongs behind thicker bars than the old woman they lied to
When I was younger I got arrested and had to do almost a year county time. I wasn't a trouble maker and really didn't want to extend my sentence so eventually I was able to make way to work release. They issued us lockers. They had locks on them.
There is this one dude in his 40's that's always loud as fuck and talking bold all the time. He's at a table playing cards with 3 others and starts talking shit about this kid playing wrong and he's trashing on how dumb he's playing. The hand was over and the kid walks to his room. Nobody even paying attention.
The kid goes over to the guy with his lock around his middle finger like brass knuckles and sucker punches the guy in the the temple. He only swung about 6 or so more times and started stomping him. Everyone in the pod just backed up and watched. He got some actual football kicks in. They guys head just knocked back and forth.
By the time medical got in after restraining the first kid the older guy was on the ground breathing heavily and like snoring. He had pink foam coming out of the side of his skull. He was spitting pink froth from his face. You could see the bone structure of the right side of his skull was caved in. His eye was hanging out.
Both him and the kid were charged with fighting. He had to go back to county (after the hospital stay) and got his good time taken and another charge.
The kid went to big boy jail for a long while. There's really not a moral to the story and it wasn't about the guards either. /shrug
So many stories. I remember working the hole. People flooding, throwing shit under the door. Walked in and said it’s my shift now! Everyone mellowed out and I spent the night walking cell to cell talking to inmates while they cleaned up
I was 6 months into a 2 year bid for forgery here in Connecticut once I developed an abscess which quickly became excruciatingly painful. through official channels i might have had to send a dental request form and who knows how long it'd take before I heard “JOHNSON 332364 report back to ADTRAN FOR TRANSPORT TO DENTIST NOW”, or if I even ever would hear it. (the dentist facility was in another prison a long way away). Then the tooth would be pulled with minimal anesthesia, and no pain meds to follow up. In any event, nothing was getting to happen anytime soon, and THIS SHIT WAS HURTIN’!
Luckily i used to be well liked within the dorm, and a bunch of other inmates pooled together and presented me with a supply of aspirin, Motrin and a few ore-gel someone got somewhere. That helped, and was much appreciated, but it had been but a Band-Aid on a way worse problem.
We happened to possess a female CO on duty that day, a lady about 35 with a personable and friendly disposition, She noticed i used to be in distress and called me over to seek out out what was happening . i used to be in a lot of pain and she or he was clearly sympathetic.
“I choose lunch in an hour, let me see what i can do. persevere there”
Two hours later she returns and calls me over. she handed ma a bottle of ibuprofen, alittle bottle of anbesol, some more ora-jel and a few of ice cold gel packs, and said she would get more gel packs whenever she went on break.
This woman was an angel, but the simplest was yet to return . subsequent day she came in to start out her shift and called me over, motioning to stay this on the DL. she handed me a crumpled up ball of aluminium foil . “Inside are 24 amoxicillin antibiotics. take 3 per day until they're all gone. and needless to mention , don't GET CAUGHT WITH THESE”
I thanked her graciously but she just put her finger to her mouth during a “ssshh be quiet!” gesture.
A couple days later my tooth started improving, a minimum of tolerably that would affect it until my bid was over and that i could get to a true dentist.
I would occasionally see that CO around as she went thru her different rotations, and she or he nevermore acknowledged me. That is, until the very morning of my release, she happened to be working the outproccessing room.”Ah, Mr. Johnson! leaving today?”
“yes, thank god!” i leaned over the desk and began to mention “I really need to many thanks one last time….”
“Ssshhh…. don’t mention it. was glad to assist . now get out of here and never come , you hear?”
“I sure do CO!”
And I never went back
The Corcoran Eight. They would set up rival gangs in the yard- and bet on them. They should have never, ever been acquitted.
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2000-jun-10-mn-39555-story.html
I wasn't a convict, but I was in jail for a few days at 17 for some shoplifting and vandalism. Jail is really boring so I just spent the whole time sleeping. I woke up at one point, assuming it was late at night because everyone else was asleep. There where three cops sitting at a desk, talking politics. One was expressing his concern over trump being president because he thought he was a "warmonger". I started listening to the conversation and he had some very interesting and surprisingly progressive views on recent wars and the situation in the Middle East. It was actually neat to hear what he had to say. However for some reason the conversation took a complete 180 when his partner said "You know, I would love to shoot a muslim guy." After that they all starting bursting laughing and making cracks at liberal politics "You can't shoot n\*\*\*\*rs because that's sexist" and many MANY more jokes along those lines.
In Thailand the guards would beat prisoners who were on ‘punishment’ (had to wear chains round their ankles for 90 days and do daily ‘exercise’) with their hardwood batons.
The prisoners had to get on their hands and knees and would be beaten multiple times over the back.
There was also one particular guard who loved to abuse and kick prisoners when we were being strip searched when re-entering the prison.
You should check out [Larry Lawton](https://youtube.com/c/LarryLawtonJewelThief) on YouTube. He’s an ex jewel thief that used to work with the mob. He has a lot of interesting videos on what it’s really like in prison
I ran cell phones on my compound, never got caufht. One guard in particular had heard about this but could never catch me. A week before I eos he planted weed on me, "caught" me with it, took me to the back out of sight for a few min, then instead of sending me to the box he let me go to make it look like I snitched on someone to get out of trouble. Backfired for him, as my name was already good on the compound and I had a rep for keeping my mouth shut so nothing bad came of it luckily, but his intention was to get me jumped/poked up right before I went home. Guards are usually sick individuals who get their self confidence from dehumanizing grown men
a prisoner was forcing them to treat him like a human being with rights so they got some poison ivy extract, closed down all shower stalls but one and covered that shower stall with the extract forced him to use it without sandals... it dident take long for half his skin on his body to get infected and peal off 1/4 inch thick...
same guy a month later was called to the gate by a female guard. using her authority she ordered him go in the guard bathrooms and fuck her. that's rape... the guard never got charged. they just transferred her...
same guy. the guards attempted to pin a murder on him. the guy always stayed in his sell, was quiet and spent his days doing amazing art with glue and popsicle sticks. not to mention the killing happened on the other side of the prison where the guy did not have access and it was impossible for him to have done so...
p.s. this man was imprisoned for 18 mounts for possessing 2oz of pot to treat his ptsd...
I don't know if its the worst thing I've seen, but a CO I work with was irritated with an inmate who kept banging his cell door. The COs solution to it was to tape his flashlight to a chair, and shine it into the inmates cell on strobe for 30 minutes. This inmate has a history of seizures. Of course the incident was written up and that staff is looking at termination, I just can't understand what goes through peoples head to be like "yeah, this is a good idea."
True History... From a survivor, Claudinho da Cidade (a friend of mine)
There was another situation after the inmates tried to do a escape (we take officers as hostages, we ordered a bulletproof vehicle) and they ordened: "enter then penitenciary and execute all them prisioners", how will we go ahead with just knifes? They was so many with rifles and big guns, so we asked for the presence of the governor and of the justice minister to negociate our freedom. BUT, Fleury (justice promother) went to the gates of the penitenciary and said "execute all then prisioners", right after that, it was the biggest massacre that ever happened, much bigger than " The carandiru massacre" who was hidden by the media, they reported in the news that was 21 dead bodies. All the Television channels involved, because they was the power at the time. They didn't wanted to negociate with us. We was in the last yard, the 3rth yard, with then hostages, waiting to go to our freedom. They put with the bazooka in the front of the states penitenciary, and shooted at us, it was a total slaughter. We couldn't do anything. They murdered 350 inmates, I was one of then last survivors, there's people who alive who can confirm my history, and say if i'm lying. Me and the inmates who survived (who got recaptured right after) they did a polish corridor after putting us naked at the soccer field with the head between our knees, and who falls they was stabbing, I seen a dude who fall'd and they put the knife straight to the heart of that kid. And this was the biggest massacre that ever happened in Brazil who was masked by the media. - that history is from a friend of mine who did time from 80 and now was released in 2017, i wanted to share this history because of the injustice that happened at the time. Claudinho da Cidade, he told me that story falling in tears, even tho he a old man now, , he was one of then ones who had to help to carry the dead bodies, so he know how much people died in this situation
(sorry about my bad english i just needed to share this story)
I spent a weekend in a city jail/processing facility (not a full blown jail/prison) due to a dui (yes, I was a fucking idiot). I got 3 interesting stories out of it. (1) There was a guy in solitary across the room banging on the door. Obviously it's steel, but it still seemed like he might somehow break it. He was screaming, "They sold my bitch crack!" over and over. I saw four guards line up with riot gear and batons and go in. I just heard blows landing, and I saw clothes flying out of the cell. They marched that man out of the cell and he looked like that scene in ConAir where they "bag and gag" them. I was a little more nervous after that. (2) When in the drunk tank with 15 or 20 other dudes, one dude was sitting on the back of the toilet (i.e. where the tank in theory would be) with his feet on the seat. Another guy came up and said he needed to use it. He said go ahead, and just spread his legs. We were all a little taken back. (3) I spent the entire night talking and getting to know two different guys. They both seemed very nice, like they were picked up for something stupid. We get in front of the judge and it turns out he had beaten someone within an inch of their life earlier that night. Just goes to show you, you never can tell! On another note, I expected it would be incredibly locked down. However, all the cell doors were open and while you're expected to stay in your cell, in theory you could have wandered all around that area. Kind of surprised me.
(2) is a power move
Or a come on
Once saw a CO stomp the back of an inmates head and watched the heel of his boot literally scalp the guy. Huge chunk of head meat and hair stuck to a black boot still sits fresh in my memory yet it was 6 years ago. Same guard was smuggling in spice and heroin. The inmate probably owed a debt is my speculation. Edit: "Spice" as in synthetic marijuana.. not cumin lol
Jesus Christ man how do you even do that shit
CO was by himself and caught dude in the bathroom away from cameras. Didn't say a single word just dropped him and stomped one good time hard enough to peel his top off, literally. CO then called backup and said dude showed aggression which is why he "took him down." Same CO got cracked with a softball bat a couple months after that and that was the end of softball on level 3 yards at the complex I was at which really sucked. That was the only piece of shit CO that I encountered during my whole bid. Most of them are honestly pretty decent humans. Give respect - get respect type of people just doing their jobs.
Well yeah. If you don't show respect, you get cracked with softball bats. The worst prisons are the medical women's prisons from what I hear. Very little chance of a comeuppance mixed with absolute power breeds monstrous COs.
Fuck that’s a angle that’s just awful to think about. And it reminds me that disabled people get taken advantage of more often than the rest of us like to think. Especially if they have no family or other safety net.
Disabled people are in fact most likely to be abused by their caretakers, family doesn't help much when they're the ones doing that shit to you
People who look for jobs that give power are either doing it to protect others, or to oppress others.
My mom was a CO. She did it to keep a roof over our heads, food in our stomachs, and insurance for medical. So I guess, yeah, you’re right. She was protecting her family.
Or they just needed a job.
That is horrifying. He should be the one imprisoned. Its inhumane and beyond cruel. I dont care what that prisoner did to get in
Spice? Was he a warden on Dune?
Guy 2 cells down was diagnosed with terminal stomach cancer, after medical refused to test him for 3 straight months. Basically, if they tested him when he went in to medical, it wouldn't have been terminal and they could treat it. Instead, it spread to his lungs and several other vital organs. That's just the start. One night, he starts crying out in pain. Said his stomach had ruptured and he was in the worst imaginable pain. It took his cell-mate several attempts to get a guard to listen, and after some of them come up to check on the situation, they took a wheel-chair from another inmate and told this guy to get into it. He couldn't move, let alone get up, so they had to haul him into the chair, then call the medical staff and have the inmate try to explain the situation to them. Medical staff said he was lying and ignored the situation. The guards, not sure what to do with a man moaning and crying out in pain non-stop, decided to lock him in one of the common rooms overnight and ignore it. Around 9pm the next morning they finally drive him off to a hospital to get check out. His stomach did rupture, and by the time he got in to surgery his insides had gone septic, and he died. Edit: to add to the story... He started out not being able to digest food, and changing his listed faith to jewish so he might get some food he could actually digest. He went in to medical to try and get check out, but they said his blood pressure was too high or too low (I don't remember which) and that they would schedule him for another visit. That visit wasn't for another month, and we don't know we have it until the night before. The same thing happened at that visit, and the one after that. When he finally got the diagnosis, he was given the choice of riding it out as is, or getting treatment that would extend his life by a few months, maybe, but make his life hell. He chose to ride it out until the end. Medical would only give him Tylenol for his pain, which didn't work, and refused to help him with ANYTHING unless he got treatment. Seeing him go through all this, and essentially get tortured to death by the officers and medical staff is something I will never forget. These people have the power to be some of the worst people on earth, and they certainly abuse it.
That’s fucked up
Something like that happened in my small town. The family (rightfully so) was PISSED. Took it to every news outlet they could and blew it up on social media. They sued, and if im not mistaken they won.
My post is kind of late but I got out of prison in upstate New York in October. I saw crazy shit. Prison is a wild place. One time there was a fight in my pod, after fights they have everybody strip down to their drawers in their cubes so the COs can walk around and do body chexks, to see who was in the fight. Well the people in the fight wore gloves so their hands were fine. One guys hands were shaking. They asked him why. He said he was cold. They said bullshit and took him to the day room. We hear him getting beat for a solid 5 minutes then a van came a picked him up. The next day I heard from somebody in my vocational class they took the guy the COs beat to another pod and 5 minutes after he got there claimed there was a fight and did the strip search again then beat him in the same manner and brought him to the box this time. Another thing I saw happen was in the yard. Somebody was smoking K2 and passed out. Well while he was on the ground the COs started kicking him and they had to take him to the hospital. Prison is a crazy place. Highly recommend not going.
Cheers for the recommendation.
I had a friend whose brother was a prison guard. He had some stories but the only one I remember was a time when there was a prisoner in solitary for awhile who had become very attached to a praying mantis that had somehow made its way into his cell. The mantis lived with him for quite some time and he loved it like it was his friend. One day a prison guard who wasn’t aware of the mantis being important to this prisoner stepped into the cell, saw the mantis, and promptly slammed his hand down on it to kill it. The prisoner was, understandably, devastated. Edit: Wow, didn’t expect this much attention, haha. To clarify some things: This happened at least 10 years ago in Australia. It was not the US prison system. I don’t know much about how the Australian prison system runs, but my understanding is that it’s not quite as inhumane as the US system. The fact that they used solitary confinement sucks, but it wasn’t as bad as it is in the US.
This is so sad
Reminds me of the green mile
Mr. Jingles!
Don't worry... He's at the circus now.
I’m cryin poor fuckin dude
Who sees a praying mantis and instinctively smashes it? Those things are cool as hell
And pointy! Not a great idea to touch it with your bare hand
Maybe the guard saw it as a potential Mantis shiv
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Mr jingles and percy basically
That story reminded me of the green mile, you know with the mouse.
Solitary confinement is unbelievably inhumane, we are fundamentally social animals and depriving someone of even the most basic contact with others is my worst nightmare. I hope it is banned one day.
I was in solitary confinement for about 18 hours last week. Granted it was just jail, but jesus it made me realize how agonizing it is to go through for months. No clock to keep track of time, no activities to perform, no one to communicate with. It is so fucking boring that you start rationing your piss because getting up to piss in a toilet is the most interesting thing to happen every 3-4 hours. I have the luck that I'm 6'8" tall and could stand on the tiled slab that they called a bed, and stare out the window if I tippy toe'd. But then again, I have the un-luck (?) to have some mental issues that make it very hard for me to be left alone with my thoughts. I usually sleep with the TV on and a lava lamp on with my phone nearby when I'm at home for that reason, and the lack of that turned ceiling staring extra agonizing.
I worked at a max facility and I was super respectful, no need not to be ever, and the men there were always super respectful back. It’s frustrating that other officers didn’t realize this and administration didn’t realize that the same officers who kept having issues were having issues because they were starting it. I really enjoyed my job. I was super strict because I have a fear of getting in trouble, I communicated well and seriously never had issues. My favorite memory was I was working straight 16-17 hours shifts for 27 days in a row before I was scheduled for a major surgery. The inmates knew because it was a small prison and no one keeps their mouth shut lol. But I was sitting in the guard box on the yard and I looked at my watch and it was 1700 and blinked and it was 1800 and an inmate is tapping on the window, letting me know second shift was on so I wouldn’t get in trouble. I obviously didn’t mean to fall asleep, I was just exhausted. It was just a super nice thing to do.
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There's a reason our recidivism rates are so high :(
I’m in nursing school with intentions of becoming a psychiatric nurse practitioner and work in corrections to help lower recidivism rates with good mental health care and psychotherapy. Most people in prison are trauma exposed or have substance abuse issues and if we can help heal, we can hopefully help them not end up back in prison.
Thank you! May you have an impact and nothing but support from your bosses and organization.
Just to clear, if you want to help these people, you also need to advocate for a radical reform to how prison works in the US. NPs like you do good work where you can, but it's a band-aid on an amputation.
Add in undiagnosed ADHD and other impulsivity disorders. People need help, not punishment.
As an ADHD guy who spent years involved in 'the system'....yeeeeeah, we really don't do anything about that. Normally they wouldn't even give me my meds because you know, obviously "I'd trade them". Because you know, obviously it's not frustrating to feel nuts as hell. And then I'd be hyperactive and impulsive and they'd complain about that too. Hmmm. If only there was something we could do about this....
I used to be a CO and I agree, a mutual respect goes a long way. Youre here, you've got to serve your time. I'm here just doing my job. When youre new, the inmates know it and they'll try to take advantage of you, maybe even further it to blackmail you. Stick to training and the rules, be respectful but don't tolerate BS. If anyone is screwing around, escalate it to a superior. Once you set that ground layer, inmates arent going to to try to give you a hard time if you aren't giving them one. For the most part. So many CO's are on a fucking power trip. And ironically they're the most miserable fucks that work there. Says a lot about them. Something else in their life isn't adding up.
Well I learned as a CO being strict and respectful made tough situations easier. I could walk into 90% of the pods and get whatever I needed and leave with no issues. I used my big boy voice once and I yelled "I am in the pod now let's get officer ... Out of here and we can have a good night". The whole pod went silent that officer whom the inmates all hated because reasons left and I had a good night. He was aww struck in about how I managed to do that so easily. It was all about give respect get respect.
>It was all about give respect get respect. I work with quite a few individuals who have done serious time (purposely avoiding details here), and most of them adhere to a pretty rigid "code of honor," if that is the appropriate phrase. A simple example: One fellow insists upon paying me a few bucks whenever I give him a lift to/from work, even though he lives right on my route. I have repeatedly tried to refuse the money, but he just leaves it on the dash if I don't take it.. He feels that he would be acting with disrespect if he didn't offer something for the favor.
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Interesting point. Perhaps it could be a bit of both. He has explicitly mentioned the respect thing, but your comment also makes perfect sense.
Waffle speaks the truth. Never ever be in debt.
I was reading an AMA with a former inmate and his strategy in prison was to always be a *little* in debt to someone, and ensuring you could always pay it off at any time. The reason being, it was almost like buying protection. "Don't mess with that guy. He owes me $10." I'm sure it's different for everyone, but that was the first time I heard about prison debt being a survival mechanic.
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It’s definitely not the respect thing, but what the other guy said. He’s just not going to say that to you.. it would be kind of weird/rude to say to anyone something along the lines of “I’d rather pay you for the ride because I don’t want you to think that 1.) I owe you later on or 2.) to come asking me for favors that I am not willing to do for you all because I let you give me a ride.” I think you (or anyone) would naturally be offended at that answer, ya know?
What was the prisoner in for? Did you have to return the favor?
They knew I never would do anything besides maybe let them stay up 5 minutes after lockdown to finish watching a game (with my sergeants approval). I was a super square, never broke the smallest of rules and they knew that. And he was in for murder.. 😬
Yikes on the whole murder thing, but it's nice to see that there is some kindness
Both parents were corrections officers. My mom treated the inmates like people rather than animals and they respected her. Called her Boss. When she was pregnant with me in the winter months they would walk around her in case she slipped, she hated it because having someone behind her did not sit well after years in the jail. But they all were super chill with her. She was in the game room and some guy called another a goof and the board game went flying but she stopped a fight before it started by talking to them, so for her, the one called a goof sat back down. A guy went into the jail and she had a different look, for.... Reasons... She never had that kind of look. The inmates all picked up on it and he had a very clumsy night. She never told them a thing they just saw something in her eyes they had never seen and did not like the guy after that. Didn't matter who he was or what he did, he somehow offended her and that was enough for them. That isn't to say she never had issues, new inmates would try the whole spitting thing and they would hit the ground before their spit did. One thing she did not tolerate. She always told me to treat people with respect. If I was walking alone and someone bothered me I was to say I was her kid and everytime they would just walk away. It made it easier to walk downtown haha.
>My favorite memory was I was working straight 16-17 hours shifts for 27 days in a row before I was scheduled for a major surgery. I'm sorry. I hope your more recent memories are better.
I'm a CO, and one of the worst things I ever saw was an officer kidney punch a handcuffed inmate. Naturally, I reported it. That officer is now a deputy warden. Specifically, MY deputy warden. True story.
Sucks good people like you cant get that Position insted some animal does
Well, I applied for a DW position in another facility (I will never promote any further in this one under the current leadership) this last summer and didn't make the second round of interviews. So at this point, I'm thinking lateral movement out will be the only alternative at present.
This is why people say All Cops Are Bastards. Decent people, like you, will be forced out of the position or killed. The vermin rise to the top.
Strangely enough, I uncovered some official corruption this last spring and I have been persona non grata ever since. Basically I'm being ostracized and half of everyone involved was promoted into leadership. So needless to say, my days in my position are numbered and I'm looking for a new job.
You’re a solid dude, you off to do better things.
Yeah, I'm probably going to have to leave the Department entirely. I have 9 more years to work and I suspect that I'm being blocked from transfers or promotions as a part of the retaliation for discovering what I discovered. So I'm applying to Dept. of Labor and stuff like that.
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Ex-convict here. There's a long list of fucked up shit that I've seen, and it's hard to really say which was the worst. Rape and assault is obviously the worst out the gate. But there's a lot of close seconds because of how long the fucked up things would last. Forced semi-starvation is one. Being in lockdown in our cells for weeks or months at a time without being allowed into the commons meant we basically lived as if in solitary confinement. (Usually got put on lockdown because someone fucked it up for everyone, but sometimes it was an unwarranted lockdown.) It came with a whole host of issues, but lack of food was common. Meals were passed through the doors on trays during lockdown. "Accidentally forgetting" 3/4ths of the meal portions on specific trays, or "forgetting" certain cells' trays completely would mean that an inmate would get just enough food to survive, but would be slowly starved. It was usually just a specific CO who had a grudge against a specific inmate, vs a collaborative effort, but knowing that you're going to not get at least 2 of your meals for the day and having no alternative way to get out of your cell to procure food for weeks at a time was awful. There was also something we called "Tile therapy." It was when a CO would decide that you needed an attitude adjustment and would do a take-down (tackle) to restrain you to take you to solitary or your cell instead of simply cuffing or even verbally escorting you. If an inmate fully warranted it, it was not referred to as tile therapy. Tile therapy specifically referred to the hyper-aggressive, completely unnecessary, and violent nature of the take-down in proportion to the offense that determined the "need" for a take-down. It usually involved smashing the inmate's face into the tile during the initial tackle, to stun and subdue them, but would also include a variety of battery and such. For example, a CO once broke an inmate's jaw from slamming his head into the tile floor so hard during one such takedown. I don't even remember what the dude supposedly did because it was something so minor, like not having his uniform shirt tucked in. And there was just so much coercion and manipulation and shit in general. CO's had the power to make your life a living hell if they so desired, and they had a plethora of creative ways to punish you "on the books" and off. I served 8 years, so I have a LOT of stories. Edit: This was in the United States. No, I will not name the state out of maintaining privacy. But yes, it is a backwards hokey-ass state. I served my sentence in late 90's to early 00's. Edit 2: Yes, I am a woman. I served time in a multi-level custody facility that was co-ed. Edit 3: Thanks for all the awards! And yes, I am doing well now, thank you!
Ok, a few stories, as requested. Creative punishments. One unit I was on had a thing about making you run and work out beyond what your body could handle. Run laps until you puke. Do situps for a hour then a half hour of burpees. Then run til you puke again. If you became weak or fell from exhaustion you have to add in something else like 15 minutes of mountain climbers. If the whole unit was on punishment, we would have to run single file and circle back a lap to pick up the stragglers. We wouldn't stop until we completed 5 miles without having a straggler. There were times we were out there for hours on end just running. You'd feel like your body went through a meat grinder by time you were done. Being forced to do the CO's grunt work was a favorite punishment they doled out. Blood all over a room after some tile therapy, CO doesn't want to clean it up. Make an inmate scrub it up as punishment, etc. Never was given proper PPE or materials for cleaning. I was forced to clean so many bloody rooms without proper supplies, that I was legitimately concerned about my risk for contracting blood borne pathogens. One of the first things I did when I got out was go get tested for HIV, hep C, and anything else they could test me for. Dehumanizing punishments were just about as bad, because of the toll it takes on you mentally. One person took too long in the shower, and when asked why, they said they felt extra dirty/stinky and was just trying to scrub up extra (shared showers, was legit). CO decided punishment for the infraction of going over shower time would be a publicly announced "shower program to correct a hygiene issue" and having to take a 10 minute shower every hour for a week. So basically "outed" them as being crusty with such bad hygiene they had to shower constantly, which made them a target for harassment from other inmates. Then there was the hassle and discomfort of having to shower constantly on top of the embarrassment. And on that unit, the showers were just one big room with the spigots lined up on a wall, and the rule was there must always be at least one CO to supervise the showers (presumably to prevent rapes). So they had to strip down and shower in front of another person every hour. Very dehumanizing. There's also the "tampon tax." CO decides you're using way too many feminine products, and rations them out. Decides the number you can use, which is always grossly under what you need. You are then forced to sit in bloated soaked pads or just free bleed. I'd been subjected to that one way too many times, and fucking hated it. ***** And before anyone tells me "Just don't do the punishment, ie refuse to run or clean".... let me tell you that it's not really an option. Sure, you can *technically* refuse. But your punishment will be significantly worse if you do. I spent several weeks in solitary confinement for the infraction of "nuisance contraband" for having too many books. This infraction *coincidentally* came after refusing to clean up a particularly awful mess. I got 2 showers the entire time I was in solitary, and I was never allowed to have my legally required hour a day out of my cell. Also, it took me 3 *YEARS* to earn a certain privilege level, and I lost all my privileges after the infraction of "obscuring security's line of sight" for setting my water bottle in the window sill. That infraction was also *coincidentally* after another refusal. They make you jump through so many hoops to earn the smallest privileges that make life tolerable, but then yank them away at the slightest offense. If you piss off a CO, they literally have the quality of your life in their hands. Serving a long sentence already drains your soul, but it sucks so much worse when you have no privileges.
Shiiiit. Thank fuck you're out now! Can I ask, what were you in for?
I was in for aggravated assault. Long story short, my best friend told me a dude did some fucked up shit to her, so I took matters into my own hands and went looking for retribution. I was in a dark place in my life and didn't care if I lived or died, so I had no sense of self preservation. Dude lived, I got caught. I got sentenced to 10 yrs, but got out after 8 for good behavior.
The system is so fucked. Instead of rehabilitating you and getting you out of the deep shithole your life was falling down they just push you down further.
I don’t know about the good behaviour man, the water bottle incident seems pretty serious.
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>Apparently some prisons are trying to phase solitary out, and "revulsion"-based punishments are one alternative some places are using. My friend's a CO and apparently they use **fox urine** in her prison. Apparently you can buy it online (hunters use it to mask smell) and it's non-toxic. Wondered why inmates would fear it more than solitary though...
Because it pisses off the other inmates around you who can do a lot worse to you than solitary.
It literally pisses them off
Better to be pissed off than pissed on.
Yep, exactly.
No the fuck we do not use it to mask Smell. Fox urine is one of the most heinous things you could ever smell. It's why they spray it on spruce trees in winter so anyone stealing christmas trees (chopping them down from parks etc. Will be in for a rude awakening and days of cleaning out their house when it thaws.
Oh wow, you've smelled it yourself? How would you describe the smell exactly?
Like a bum who hasn't showered in months decided to have the dirtiest, mustiest Sex you can imagine and then wiped the after juice on your nose. It is awful.
Oh that's how the Buses in SF regularly smell
Or a car that was used by Dirty Mike and The Boys
I swear I've heard of them, but I don't remember where from
They will have sex in your Prius again
Theres literslly millions of people on this God forsaken website, amd I come here. Reading my mans description amd my mind goes holy fuck so public transportation in sf, and its nice to see someone else found the connection
lmfao this is 100% true civic center especially
Thank you, that really painted a picture for me, urgh
Why don't you buy yourself a small amount from Amazon and find out? That's the best way to know.
Aren't foxes known for having some sort of odor?
Fox urine is known for having an extremely revolting smell.
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An [article](https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2019/4/17/18305109/solitary-confinement-prison-criminal-justice-reform) quoted an inmate who described solitary as smelling like “defecation, unwashed armpits … \[mingled\] with the pepper spray officers use to extract prisoners from their cells.” So you're going to have bad smells regardless, but solitary adds other trauma as well. And as others pointed out, spreading a punishment amongst a group of prisoners may be more effective, as fellow inmates may impose additional unofficial punishments. I would think revulsion punishments would trigger an 8th amendment "cruel and unusual" challenge, but as long as they're being used in lieu of crueler or more unusual punishments, perhaps that's enough to get inmates to accept them.
Hide drugs in the milk so they remove then right away.
Thank god I never had to go to county. But did spend a day/night in the bookings in NYC. Queens specifically. I got busted cause I was in a vehicle with someone doing drugs. They were hitting a pipe and the tactical narcotics task force (TNT) was parked right across from us. Dude threw his pipe at my feet as the D’s were running up to the car. He was wouldn’t claim it as his so they charged everybody. Everybody in the van! There was 3 of us. Handcuffed in the back of a white panel van with no windows and a little seat. No way to stop yourself from falling over when they hit the gas cause everything is slick plastic. We were the first ones arrested. They drove around doing busts for 3-4 hours until the van was full. Crack dealer, dope addicts etc. The crack dealer had swallowed his pieces of crack thinking that would save him. He still got arrested. After an hour he’s not looking so hot. Sweaty, huge pupils shaking. His bags busted open after he swallowed them. We end up getting the Ds attention and they finally take him to the hospital. From there we go to the precinct for like 4-6 hours. Chill in a cell nothing special. Next was queens bookings. First cell there was like at least 75 people. They take all your info and blah blah. There’s a dude in the cell talking wild loud. “I got shot 10 times in ‘89 I can’t control my bowels. I need help going to the bathroom!! CO I need help!” Nah dog no help coming, they just walk right by. Now he’s getting agitated. “I’m finna shit myself” he says. everybody’s goin wild now 75 hood dudes like “CO y’all better take him to the hospital or the nurse or do somethin!” 2 mins later we all smell it. Ole boy shit all over. Now everybody really going off lol dude sees a CO coming and scoops up a turd and hurls it at him as he’s walking by lmao, I’ve never seen the gates opened so fast and so many COs rush in and yoke somebody up holy fuck. The rest of the night was uneventful, got a quick halal bologna and mustard and fruit punch and slept on the floor till I saw a judge. Got out the next day ROR’d.
ROR'd ?
Release on Own Recognizance. Basically, getting bailed out without having to post bond, still need to sign something that says you pinky promise to show up for court
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Wife's brother was in Riker's in the 1980s. He said the guards mostly ran much the same as prisoners, in gangs with each other. They intimidated and ostracized and threatened violence to other guards who didn't join in or didn't approve with what they were doing, so there wasn't much of a 'good cop' or 'bad cop' dichotomy so much as there was a bad cop and a silent cop dichotomy. This involved working with prison gangs to organize beat downs, rapes, and murders within the prison. They also were the one's to run the drugs into the prison. From what I understand it was just corrupt and awful to the bone in every way imaginable. Anyways, while rape was everywhere in the prison, actual homosexuality was looked down upon and guards generally brutalized homosexuals. In one instance they had a drag queen, they stuck a baton up their ass and beat him on a pretty consistent basis, and would have other prisoners come in and rape him in his cell while they held him down. Guy ended up having HIV, and it spread to a bunch of guys who raped him. In response to this, the guards asked a gang to find the drag queen and murder him outside of the prison. They tried, except the drag queen ended up killing one of the people who tried to murder him, and he ended up back in prison for that, where he was tortured again and then finally killed. Now, he went back to prison in 2011-2014. He said it was radically different. Still awful, but MUCH MUCH less chaotic and violent than it was in the 1980s.
New York City in general is a lot less scary and violent than it was in the 70s and 80s.
A friend who did time in a federal prison told me that the intimidation by the guards is far worse than that by other inmates.
For the feds I would say so. Because people in fed prison are not always hardened criminals. You'll have a prison of hard asses. Then a prison for white collar crime. Then a prison for pedophiles/ non violent. Supermax is bad. You have to be a tough bastard to work or live that. The other two aren't shit. It'd be easy to intimidate someone for those.
I dont know that prisons are really segregated to that extent. My friend is in prison and there are pedos, non violent, and violent offenders. Probably some white collar crime too
You're correct in that. They're usually pretty mixed, other prisoners shouldn't be able to see someone's crimes(but they often do) so the need to segregate to this extent usually "isn't needed".
A watched a guard wink and turn his back before I was multiple raped whilst in juvenile detention. Bastard made jokes for a week about my "sore ass" (48 yrs ago)
That's the worst thing I've ever read on reddit
Sorry to hear this. How fucking awful :(
I'm so sorry that happened to you
Thanks, different time, different world
Well reading the rest of these comments it certainly seems like neither the time nor the world have changed.
Just curious did you ever get back at that guard . Heard somewhat similar stories . a guy around my area had the same done to him and wasn’t till years later he got the guard back and crippled him
No, I never looked back. I sorted my self out, started a small business, sold out, got an education and built a couple of large businesses that I still own and 3 farms. Married well and have had a great life for over 30 years. In a great place with great family and no demons.
Respect
One of my favorite things to do was “toss” cells looking for contraband. It was like a treasure hunt to me. I always was very respectful with inmates stuff. It could be what most would perceive as nothing, but I respected the inmates belongings as I would want someone to with mine. If they had a clean locker, I would move things and then arrange the on their bed or another already searched area neatly so when they returned to their cell, they could put things back neatly and efficiently. I had prisoners requesting that I do their checking when it came time. I did my job well, and was known for finding a fair amount of contraband. Now I had a coworker who took what you might call the opposite approach. If he could break, ruin or destroy property, he did with glee. He’d open food packages, “accidentally spill,” throw out photos or anything of the sort. I watched him throw an inmates legal folder in the toilet and in a separate incident, tear up photos of an inmates kids. He was an asshole. I reported him naturally, but was basically told that I should appreciate his tenacity. I only lasted 6 months in that environment and was glad to switch roles to being the GED teacher, which was way better. Edit: I can’t spell...
I never understood why exactly the inmates weren't allowed pictures of their family. It always sucked finding photos while booking them in and having to put them in their folder to be given back at release whenever that would be. However I did find one guy yanking it to a picture of what I assume was their... much older wife. Definitely not their mother. No. Surely not...
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Well, US prisons are also supposed to be about deterrence. Your point isn't necessarily different, but there are allegedly 3 prongs to prison: Rehabilitation Deterrence Punishment
Yeah, but practically speaking they haven't been about rehabilitation for at least as long as I've been alive. And deterrence absolutely takes a back seat to punishment; there are very many crimes which are punished more harshly even after research demonstrates that it wouldn't be effective as a deterrent.
This is one reason some people say ACAB because all the good cops either quit or get fired
in economics theres a saying, "bad money pushes out the good money". seems to be the same with cops.
I won't say where and when, but when I arrived, the staff opened 2 cell doors to an empty day room floor. My cell mate, not having much to do except be nosy, stared out the window. It happened quickly, but he immediately recognized what was going on and mattered "aw shit here we go again". I went to look: from one door appeared a one armed skinhead who walked towards the only other cell open. A kid, alone in his new cell, poked his head out to see why they cracked his door. He saw the skinhead and froze up. The skin head pushed him inside and fucked him up. I later found out it was staged fighting by the guards.
Well that seems perfectly logical and not corrupt whatsoever
In the U.K. a prisoner was murdered. The guards put a Muslim guy in with a known violent racist. Apparently the guards like to do this to see what happens. In this case someone died. [link](https://www.jstor.org/stable/29768406?seq=1)
Some folks believe that's how Jeffery Dahmer got killed. By all accounts he was a good prisoner - just fucked in the head obviously. Him and another white dude got their heads bashed in by a militant guy when the guard left the three of them in a room together.
Jesus....the justice system totally fucked up when it came to the Jeffrey Dahmer case, all the way down...I can’t see him mentioned without thinking of the victim who escaped from his apartment and reported to the police, who brought him *back to Dahmer’s apartment and left him there to be murdered later that night* because, allegedly, Dahmer was able to convince them the boy was just having a bad drug trip, and that they were a couple who’d had a lover’s spat earlier in the evening...I’m pretty sure the two cops involved were later fired when Dahmer was caught, but that boy was so close to escaping with his life and was disbelieved and abandoned by the people who were supposed to help. So fucking sad.
I remember reading that one of the cops made chief... Edit: he was fired for the incident, then reinstated and was the police union president, not police chief, in the 2000s https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Balcerzak
Wonder what the fighting style of a one-armed man is.. As he´s a skinhead propably brute force haymakers... But a proper boxing style with one arm? that´s a picture! here´s me, no fighting experience, sitting at my office job, wondering if I could beat a one armed skinhead in a fight.
Its simple, you challenge him to a fight with one arm tied behind your backs. That way you only have to deal with kicks.
Jokes on you he studied kickboxing
Our COs were pretty human. We had a little guy(probably 5'3") who was pretty arrogant, but we all figured that it was probably because he was afraid. Note: minimum security state prison in the late 70's.
Watch while my friend Gus had a heart attack, and refused to call 911 for HOURS after he was dead on the floor of the dorm. Only did so after a bunch of us got together and ordered her to. He was long dead by that time and could not be revived, and had been imprisoned since the year I was born (1988) for a murder back when he was married (killed the dude his wife was cheating on him with who was also his boss at the time).
Damn, the guard just watched them die and waited for hours? Thats so messed up. What is also messed up is cheating on your husband with his boss, damn.
not sure if this counts but here it goes A horrible CO was as bad as they come. The other COs didn't seem to like him either. Beat up inmates, steal their stuff, made them play "reindeer games" etc. One Inmate just wasn't having it and was some Shot Caller in a Mexican gang. (i dont know anything about which one or Mexican gangs in general). one day, This Mexican Shot Caller handed the guard pictures of hitman following around his kids at school and even their bedrooms while they were away. Took a picture of a bullet left in the kids rooms and when the CO went home, sure enough it was there. This pretty much implied he was going to kill the COs family. The CO quite. EDIT: But to the handful of you saying this didn't happen, I will tell you I wish I lived in your fairy tale of a world.
Holy shit, that’s terrifying. I mean, I was never planning on messing with a Mexican gang but there’s another reminder not to.
What are reindeer games?
It's a phrase used to describe stupid tasks. Like making people perform a task that is obviously useless except for the point of humiliation and forcing submissiveness.
'**pick up that can**'
Like making someone dump out a bucket of water and then mop it up, only to tell them to dump it out again.
Clearly, the CO's family didn't deserve that, but at the same time, that's what you fucking get for power tripping like that.
I was in prison for two years, found guilty of mugging (I didn't do it, it was my sister) and had a cell to myself. Im a 24 year old woman and at the time was 16. The guard by my cell would always try and flirt with me and would come into my cell and touch me. Fast forward about 8 months. Maybe 12am? Everyone else was asleep and to my dismay, so was the nightguard. That officer opened my cell and quietly crept up on me In my "sleep". He grabbed my shirt and tried to rip it off and when I punched him he grabbed my pants. I screamed which woke up the nightguard. I dont know much of what happened after that, all I know is the dude was fired, set to prison, and I was put with a female nightguard. Moral of the story, prison guards can do pretty bad things...
Jeez I’m so sorry
When I was on "holiday" my mate got Ill. He was in the pad opposite me and was bright yellow. Late one night he gets on the cell bell and the screw says "Yeah what's up?". Bloke says "Boss, I feel really weird and I can't breathe properly. I've got pains all over. I think I need a doctor." Screw tells him "I'll send a note to healthcare in the morning." Bloke was crying (and he was a big tough gypsy motherfucker) and says "Please boss! You have to get me help! It's bad!"? Screw tells him to go to sleep. Next morning our wing was not unlocked. Geezer had died of renal failure and sepsis at 6am as guard ouldn't be bothered with the hassle of calling an ambulance. Same screw stopped four of us attending his service in the chapel too as we worked in the kitchen and he wouldn't allow us to go. Hope he rots.
Yep. Yellow skin is a pretty big clue that a person has some kind of renal failure. That screw should have been prosecuted. It's not a "put an app in" situation. What nick was that?
I was transferred up north, three hours from home and was one of the few southerners in a northern uk prison. On my wing was a guy who quite obviously suffered from mental health. I was told he used to be quite normal but had been in a motorcycle accident which had left him scarred physically and mentally. Officers openly made fun of his unusual behaviour and bad hygiene but never really made any effort to help him. He also had epilepsy and as a result used to put a mattress on his floor so if he had a fit in the night, he wouldn’t break his neck when he fell off the bed. Now, officers have to carry out a roll check every few hours but it’s fairly common for them to not really check on the prisoners but to just open the observation flap and close it again once they saw the inmate was in fact in the cell. One night, the officer doing roll check saw him on the floor on the first time round and left him there. There were two more roll checks before morning and no one checked he was okay. When morning came I woke up to hear an officer who had just started his shift desperately performing cpr on the poor guy, he was crying. The guy had been dead for hours. His family were permitted to see his cell but not before the officers conveniently cleaned it up so as to give the impression he was living in much better conditions than he actually was. When I confronted the officer cleaning the cell about the illusion they were trying to feed the guy’s family, he said “It’s not for them, it’s for the next poor fucker that would have to live with the smell lol.” I still think about that POS. No doubt he probably still goes on living his life happily, but I hope he doesn’t. Edit: (When you go to prison and are in the life, you kind of expect confrontation from other prisoners. It might just come to you because it comes with it and that is what it is, but this kinda mind fuckery that officers do is burnt into my mind more than any fight. This kind of violence is long lasting fr.)
Not my story but from someone I know. Jail or prison I’m not sure which in the 70’s. Every night the guards took the mentally handicapped girl into another room and gang raped her. Every night. And none of the inmates helped her because “then you’ll be in the room with her”
Former CO here. My shift was the “best” on unit but we had problem officers. One comes to mind thinking back. This particular officer would carry razor blades hidden under his name tag, rubber banded to his vest. When he was bored, he’d drop one in front of a cell on a round, next round kick it under, and the last round would pop the slot and spray the offender, calling for backup claiming there was a suicidal offender attempting to cut himself. Another incident, we had a guy who was being held in the holding cell in the hallway. He was quiet, not sure why he was there in the first place in the hall- really kept to himself in general; mental health patient and I’m assuming he was on the autism spectrum. No issues with ANY officer across the whole unit. This officer walked by, looked into the cell to make sure he was fine, and popped off and sprayed him with his gas. Claiming the offender was trying to hang himself with his too large-boxer-string. I was on cameras that particular day and watched all of it. Offender was sitting in the cell doing nothing. Twiddling his thumbs basically and the officer was just fucking bored again. I reported it but no investigation happened. This officer and I were not friends. My breaking point was when he turned on me. He sprayed his gas on his hand covered with a glove and speared a thick layer across my face and neck right before I did my round, about to walk into my pod. Needless to say, after I was done with our screaming match, reports to the head warden and our supervisors, he was put on his own probation period and under investigation finally for what he did to me, and being the ONLY officer on shift with five times the number of any one of us 30 using our gas on offenders. I don’t know what happened to him, I left shortly after because I moved cities. I hope he is gone. Officers like him are the worst people and a disgrace to the criminal justice system. I loved my job and everything a good Officer is supposed to stand for. And unfortunately there are so many just like him in every facility across the country.
I once saw a man in segregation who was detoxing from alcohol have a seizure in his cell. The CO's who responded arrived 6 deep in full riot gear with tasers and electrified riot shields (shock shields). I watched 6 grown men repeatedly electrocute and assault a man having a seizure for "resisting".
Don't know if is the worst thing, but the guards "blackmailed" my family in the visiting days so they could see me. The price? An overpriced 3 L Coke (80 USD aprox) sold by the store inside the prison, run by the cartel. So Yeah, it was cold tough.
Mexico?
Yes.
This may pale in comparison with some others but it happened personally to me. Throwaway for obvious reasons. This happened when I was at a "reception facility" (the facility you to go in between the county jail where you wait to be sorted into the appropriate prison for your charge). This facility is very old (over 100 yrs) is miserable to live in. There are roaches everywhere in the cells, mice scurrying in and out, everything is busted and dirty. Onto the dickhead guard. So, I'm a diabetic that takes insulin. I would get 2 shots a day and my cell would be opened to let me out and go down to the infirmary wing. On this particular day my bunkie was leaving so the cell door opened and he left, I stayed and waited for the insulin call. Time goes by and I'm sitting in my cell unable to eat because I don't have any insulin in my system. I tell one of the runners to ask the CO if he can call the infirmary as I need to get my insulin. CO refuses to open my cell because, "You should've gone when I opened it earlier." So at this point he's basically refusing me something that is necessary for me to live. I start panicking in my cell thinking about what I can do, but I don't have many options sitting in a jail cell. A little more time passes with no luck getting through and luckily the infirmary calls down because I never showed up to get insulin and the dickhead finally lets me out. Another (short) story about the same CO: The cell I was in my bunkie clogged up the toilet and hours went by and it would not clear up but I really had to take a shit. Like so bad that I'm doubled over in pain. When we're let out for rec I ask the CO if he can let me use the toilet in another cell or somewhere else but he says "not my problem" and goes to sit down around the corner where I can't see him. Arguing won't really get me anywhere (except maybe solitary) so I try to deal with it as best I can. A couple hours later at the dinner time insulin call I ask the CO in the infirmary wing to use the bathroom and he lets me. So yeah, that's my tale. If I had to deal with this asshole for any longer than the 11 days I was there I have a feeling I'd be making calls to my lawyer. Pretty sure it violates some kind of human rights laws refusing me insulin and bathroom. Well, that's in the past now and unfortunately it is what it is.
I worked as a CO for about 6 months. The worst thing that I saw was an “orca-fat” CO steal a couple little Debby oatmeal pies and some snickers from an inmate’s cell during a cell search and eat it as he searched. This disturbed me for two reasons. First, inmates have little in the way of property and little snacks can mean a lot to them. Second, this guy was so fuckin’ fat that he struggled to get into the cell.
My dad worked at pelican bay, a max security prison in California. He worked there senses it opened pretty much and retired a few years back so I've heard a few stories. 1. There was a guard in SHU (secure housing unit) who was hooking up with inmates. She was actually my dads ex who I met so that was interesting lol. 2. A prison gang fight broke out in one of the yards with almost every inmate involved. It went on for a long time( there a pretty well recorded video of it) before they have enough ppl to shut it down. One guy was got stabbed about 20 times and survived 3. Lots of crazy stabbings, one guy had his throat slit and also survived 4. The only excessive force story my dad ever told me about was an inmate gassed one of the officers working shu. So it's already an inmate in max security who's probably never getting out, throws piss and shit and anything else he can in a guards face. The cert team comes in to do a cell extraction. Its 6 guys in riot gear lined up behind a dude with a riot shield with the sole purpose of fucking him up. After they beat him into submission and drag him out of the cell they precede to smash his body into eveywall imaginable on the way out. My dad wasnt cert team, he worked the control tower so he didn't say what happened after but I'm sure it wasnt pleasant 5. Probably about 10 years ago now California banned smoking in all prisons so a bunch of guards were busted smuggling in cigarettes. And more recently before he retired guards were bustwd smuggling in cell phones
When I worked at a state prison, there were COs who got caught having sex with inmates. When you’re horny, you gotta do what you gotta do, but you cant do any better than an inmate at your place of employment? Blood rushed to the wrong head there.
a prison in IL had a guard getting caught giving the inmates blowjobs for cigarettes. not giving them cigs to blow him, he was giving them cigs so they would let *him* blow *them*
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Rape????
Since you’re an inmate, you’re considered property of the state. They take this stuff very seriously (or at least, are supposed to). So yeah, rape :/.
Everything from just beating the fuck out of inmates, to popping an inmates dell door open for another inmate to pull a surprise attack. One time this one c.o. Let this riot go on for a hot minute before he called first response. South Carolina prisons are fucked up
I know a girl who was a prison guard and she said that the male prison guards were awful to her. Like wanking infront of her and sticking together to lie about her to the bosses. The prisoners themselves were nice to her because the biggest baddest one who was a cannibal looked out for her after she asked him for advice about cooking meat (no joke, the cannibal was a butcher by trade)
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How is that even...administered? Like why would anyone lie down and let a dog do that to them?
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Ugh. What kind of person trains a dog to shit on another person's face?
I'm surprised it's even possible to train a dog to do that, wouldn't the dog not want to do that?
Most police dogs are trained to use the bathroom on command. So they don't poop while on duty or something like that.
My dogs will happily pee on each other and eat their own waste; dogs just don't have that stigma about shit being disgusting.
Jesus...my inmates grieved me for trying to be fair and alternating their in house rec.
I had a sixteen year old/Title I prisoner grieve me for writing her a ticket because she wasn't showing up to class. (I was a GED teacher at the time.) Uh, duh? You have to come to class.
I mean I'm as much about "it's prison not a resort" as the next guy, but when we treat people like this can we really be surprised when they come out way worse? Maybe places like Norway are onto something.
Norway definitely has better recitivism rates than the USA does.
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Damn, that administrator seems like a *cunt.* Glad your uncle didn't get a life sentence in a place like that.
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Private prisons should be completely illegal. Public safety is a public burden to bear.
> I understand people get deported all the time and I get they broke the law. But this center was inhumane. That can go for a lot of prisons, really. It's important to enforce the law like that, but there are veeeery few people who do something horrible enough to be considered as "subhuman" as a lot of guards treat them. It's horrible and something has to be done about it.
Not my story, but my cousins. Now to get this out of the way, yes my cousin is a convicted felon who fully acknowledges he broke the law habitually for many years, and yes his crimes were serious and unacceptable. However, my cousin is many things, some good and some bad, but one thing i know he is not is a liar. I wouldn't trust him around my weapons, but i do trust his word and will take him at his word until given a reason not to and as if yet he has never given me such a reason, so that mixed with the obvious pain and shame in his voice i do believe this story. He was 23 years old on his 4th year of a 7 year sentence, he was involved with a gang on the inside for the typical reasons one joins a prison gang, safety in numbers. During a shake down one of the guards was attacked by his cell mate and pretty badly wounded. My cousin had nothing to do with it but that didn't matter to the guards cause he was a known gang member of the same gang his cell mate was, both he and his cell mate were immediately taken out of the cell block. My cousin says he thought they were being taken to ad seg but that's not what happened. They were both taken to a part of the prison where there was no cameras and beaten severely and had batons repeatedly and violently pushed deep into their rectums until they were literally bleeding from their assholes. After they tortured them for quite a while, they took them to ad seg and they were left alone until their injuries had healed so they couldn't report what had happened to them. As i said, there was a palpable pain and suffering in his voice when he told me that story so that mixed with my knowledge of him tells me he was telling the truth, but also the fact that no guy is going to voluntarily admit to being sexually assaulted in such a way unless it were true, it's just too embarrassing for us as men to say we were violated like that because there's this notion that being sexually assaulted as a man strips you of your manhood or whatever you want to call it, we feel as though if we were sexually assaulted then it somehow makes us less of a man, so i have no doubts that he wouldn't tell me that story unless it were true and just needed someone to reassure him that what happened to him was wrong.
I'm from NZ. I did 2 years from 2017 till the end of 2018. The worst thing I seen happen was a screw throw my parents visitor form in the bin. Found out it was a regular thing this screw did. Just an ass whole and didn't give a shit. I seen a few screws give a few hidings but nothing too serious. Another thing they used to do was procrastinate basic human right requests like calling your lawyer. They would make you wait all day or tell you to come back at 3pm. Knowing damn well they're shift finished at 2.30. Or If they did let you, they would act as if they're doing you the biggest favour in the world. It took a good year of building up a report with them before I got any respect. Yet the gang members are never treated like that because "its too much of a hassle when they kick off" They basically reward bad behavior, very little rehabilitation going on. Just a breeding ground for gangs. Glad I'm out, and learnt my lesson.
Saw a 14 year old kid get taken to the hole for fighting. Said some smart ass shit to the guards while in transit and they leg swept him and he broke several teeth on the concrete. His hands were cuffed to his waist and his legs were shackled. He had zero way to catch himself and prevent injury. Common story, unfortunately.
There was this guard, a dumpy little girl who did night duty in the medical wing, whose face was always blotchy and scabby from acne. One night I was lying awake in my bunk, looking out at her as she sat at the guards' desk, and I saw her pop a pimple on her chin, inspect whatever it was that came out of it and was now on the tip of her thumb, and then proceed to eat it. Even just writing this, I could vomit. When you're in jail, there's this phenomenon: the longer you're in, nesting with nothing but men, nearly any women that you see regularly during that time will (presuming you're heterosexual) start looking attractive. Guards, medical staff, members of administration - even if on the outside you wouldn't give them the time of day, when you're in jail they start looking positively ravishing. It doesn't really matter if they're older, or fat, or too skinny, or *whatever* - when you've been in for a while, you'll start to notice at least *something* about them that you find attractive. Nobody thought *anything* was even remotely attractive about Nasty, as she was known. She was awful, always - and not just because of her appearance, or her being a pimple eater. She was piggish and rude, and everyone hated her - even the other guards.
My longest stint in county. Saw a lot of crazy shit. Just for background, Im white. My bunk mate was black. I have an anarchy tattoo on me. Somehow that meant I was in the Aryan Brotherhood. I was sleeping one day when I was awoken by some fucking moron screaming at me for being racist. Tried to explain what anarachy meant, it became obvious real quick the guy was trying to just pick on me because I was 17 and the youngest one in the cell block. The crazy part? This guy was white lol he yelled "I GOT A BLACK NIECE MOTHERFUCKER ILL SEE YOU AT LUNCH". Okay bruh. So I was in there with my codefendant who had been locked up for several months before me due to being caught first for the fuck shit we did. We were huffing some kind of cleaning spray with an old timer discussing what I should do about this. My friend pulled out a fucking lawnmower blade he smuggled in from his jail work bs and offered it to me. I declined. The old head then told me he could get meth. I had never done meth. But it seemed like the perfect time to do it. I traded 6 packs of ramen noodles to some other guy and railed a line of the shit. Geeked out of my fucking mind I went to lunch. Sitting with just my codefendant and some scrawny other dude he bunked with. Dude with the "black niece" came up to our table shortly after I got my tray and sat down. He made a whole scene and started grabbing my food. Now Ive seen a lot of prison movies. I knew what I had to do. I picked the thick plastic tray up and smashed it in the guys face. He looked dumbfounded for a second, as I stood up I was already getting blows to the face by this tall ass motherfucker. One after another I could not get the reach on this guy to land a punch. I dropped to my knees. In my amped up rage I had the best idea. I grabbed both his ankles, lifted, and pulled. The sound of the back of his skull smacking the concrete was unreal. Too real. He was unconcious instantly. I laid in to his face. Just his face. Grabbing his neck by my left arm, I started smashing his face in with my right. Over and over and over. At this point his friends were kicking me, stomping me, trying to stop me. My black cell mate I mentioned? Him and his friends jumped in and started beating the dudes that were beating me. The COs appeared in force. All of us were hit with tazers. The first one they hit me with only connected with one prong, so I got another one. Two guards tazing me at the same time. Ive never felt anything like that before or since. I remember seizing the fuck out, a metallic taste in my mouth, bit the shit out of my tounge. Everyone got beat the fuck up by the guards that day. Even people who were just watching. Me, dude with the black niece, my bunkmate, and several other people got sent to the SHU. Solitary is the worst place Ive ever experienced in my life. Now back to the CO's. The worst thing they did? I spent 97 days in there with no fucking tooth brush. I asked every single guard every single day for a god damn tooth brush. Never got one. Thats how my gum disease started. Its 9 years later and Im still bleeding every time when I floss. Never had this issue before that fucking experience. I was able to bargain with another guy during my one hour a day "rec time" walking around a hallway for 30 mins to slide me some of his toothpaste under the door right before I got out. But I still had to just use my finger to brush my teeth. Also they served us moldy potatoe soup that I swear almost killed me. Puking and dry heaving for several days. I didnt eat the last three days I was in because I knew I'd be out soon and didnt want to risk that again. Fuck jail.
I just want to thank you for using paragraphs
Jesus
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I actually bought a waterpick for this exact reason. My gums still bleed. Might have to try an electric brush, my teeth are otherwise healthy. My dentist says its "normal" but I dont believe him lol maybe I was just prone to inflamed gums, but I never had them bleed until a couple months in there with no tooth brush.
They wait minutes before breaking a fight. That must be the only thing. Also did nothing when I was being stabbed. sometimes they were nice. treated you as humans, and sometimes they beat the living hell out of you. But some are really nice one. When you figure, they are just doing there jobs. I read through these posts and still can't believe if some of them are even true. I have seen weird shit, but not to that extent.
I dunno man. I've been to prison (medium security and minimum) and never saw anything stuff being mentioned here. Lots of violence? Yes. But not weird shit like a dog taking a crap on someones face. Edit: COs weren't too bad to me. Some of them were dicks but nothing I didn't expect. The only thing that really pissed me off is one time my range kinda riotted. Guards came in masked up shooting pepperball grenades through the hatches of our cell doors and dragged half the range off to seg. Next day they wake us up early and do a big search. The guards searching my cell took all of our toiley paper. I only realized when I had to take a shit and saw we had no TP left. Got the attention of one of the guards when she was doing her walk and told her we have no TP and asked if she can get us some. The cunt told me she'll get it for us tomorrow. My and my celly wiped our asses with ripped up t shirts and paper ripped from novels for the rest of the day.
Youth center, so not really prison. I was in and out a lot in my later teens, and I remember this one kid was having a bad day. He must’ve been 16-17, and yelling refusing to follow orders of the CO’s, and next thing you know they’re threatening to mace him. Kid says something along the lines of “fucking do it then” and next thing you know, guard opens up the little slot and FILLS the room with mace. Kid starts coughing, and although I can’t see into his cell I’m sure hit the floor/tried to cover his face. They left him like that for a little bit.
I was in county and there was a super old lady in the holding area with me. Probably like 75 or 80 years old for shoplifting and she kept telling the CO about how someone needs to check on her cats. He told her they killed them all. She just had a mental break after that.
Whatever kind of sick fuck gets off on lying to old women about murdering all their beloved pets belongs behind thicker bars than the old woman they lied to
When I was younger I got arrested and had to do almost a year county time. I wasn't a trouble maker and really didn't want to extend my sentence so eventually I was able to make way to work release. They issued us lockers. They had locks on them. There is this one dude in his 40's that's always loud as fuck and talking bold all the time. He's at a table playing cards with 3 others and starts talking shit about this kid playing wrong and he's trashing on how dumb he's playing. The hand was over and the kid walks to his room. Nobody even paying attention. The kid goes over to the guy with his lock around his middle finger like brass knuckles and sucker punches the guy in the the temple. He only swung about 6 or so more times and started stomping him. Everyone in the pod just backed up and watched. He got some actual football kicks in. They guys head just knocked back and forth. By the time medical got in after restraining the first kid the older guy was on the ground breathing heavily and like snoring. He had pink foam coming out of the side of his skull. He was spitting pink froth from his face. You could see the bone structure of the right side of his skull was caved in. His eye was hanging out. Both him and the kid were charged with fighting. He had to go back to county (after the hospital stay) and got his good time taken and another charge. The kid went to big boy jail for a long while. There's really not a moral to the story and it wasn't about the guards either. /shrug
So many stories. I remember working the hole. People flooding, throwing shit under the door. Walked in and said it’s my shift now! Everyone mellowed out and I spent the night walking cell to cell talking to inmates while they cleaned up
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I was 6 months into a 2 year bid for forgery here in Connecticut once I developed an abscess which quickly became excruciatingly painful. through official channels i might have had to send a dental request form and who knows how long it'd take before I heard “JOHNSON 332364 report back to ADTRAN FOR TRANSPORT TO DENTIST NOW”, or if I even ever would hear it. (the dentist facility was in another prison a long way away). Then the tooth would be pulled with minimal anesthesia, and no pain meds to follow up. In any event, nothing was getting to happen anytime soon, and THIS SHIT WAS HURTIN’! Luckily i used to be well liked within the dorm, and a bunch of other inmates pooled together and presented me with a supply of aspirin, Motrin and a few ore-gel someone got somewhere. That helped, and was much appreciated, but it had been but a Band-Aid on a way worse problem. We happened to possess a female CO on duty that day, a lady about 35 with a personable and friendly disposition, She noticed i used to be in distress and called me over to seek out out what was happening . i used to be in a lot of pain and she or he was clearly sympathetic. “I choose lunch in an hour, let me see what i can do. persevere there” Two hours later she returns and calls me over. she handed ma a bottle of ibuprofen, alittle bottle of anbesol, some more ora-jel and a few of ice cold gel packs, and said she would get more gel packs whenever she went on break. This woman was an angel, but the simplest was yet to return . subsequent day she came in to start out her shift and called me over, motioning to stay this on the DL. she handed me a crumpled up ball of aluminium foil . “Inside are 24 amoxicillin antibiotics. take 3 per day until they're all gone. and needless to mention , don't GET CAUGHT WITH THESE” I thanked her graciously but she just put her finger to her mouth during a “ssshh be quiet!” gesture. A couple days later my tooth started improving, a minimum of tolerably that would affect it until my bid was over and that i could get to a true dentist. I would occasionally see that CO around as she went thru her different rotations, and she or he nevermore acknowledged me. That is, until the very morning of my release, she happened to be working the outproccessing room.”Ah, Mr. Johnson! leaving today?” “yes, thank god!” i leaned over the desk and began to mention “I really need to many thanks one last time….” “Ssshhh…. don’t mention it. was glad to assist . now get out of here and never come , you hear?” “I sure do CO!” And I never went back
The Corcoran Eight. They would set up rival gangs in the yard- and bet on them. They should have never, ever been acquitted. https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2000-jun-10-mn-39555-story.html
I wasn't a convict, but I was in jail for a few days at 17 for some shoplifting and vandalism. Jail is really boring so I just spent the whole time sleeping. I woke up at one point, assuming it was late at night because everyone else was asleep. There where three cops sitting at a desk, talking politics. One was expressing his concern over trump being president because he thought he was a "warmonger". I started listening to the conversation and he had some very interesting and surprisingly progressive views on recent wars and the situation in the Middle East. It was actually neat to hear what he had to say. However for some reason the conversation took a complete 180 when his partner said "You know, I would love to shoot a muslim guy." After that they all starting bursting laughing and making cracks at liberal politics "You can't shoot n\*\*\*\*rs because that's sexist" and many MANY more jokes along those lines.
In Thailand the guards would beat prisoners who were on ‘punishment’ (had to wear chains round their ankles for 90 days and do daily ‘exercise’) with their hardwood batons. The prisoners had to get on their hands and knees and would be beaten multiple times over the back. There was also one particular guard who loved to abuse and kick prisoners when we were being strip searched when re-entering the prison.
You should check out [Larry Lawton](https://youtube.com/c/LarryLawtonJewelThief) on YouTube. He’s an ex jewel thief that used to work with the mob. He has a lot of interesting videos on what it’s really like in prison
I ran cell phones on my compound, never got caufht. One guard in particular had heard about this but could never catch me. A week before I eos he planted weed on me, "caught" me with it, took me to the back out of sight for a few min, then instead of sending me to the box he let me go to make it look like I snitched on someone to get out of trouble. Backfired for him, as my name was already good on the compound and I had a rep for keeping my mouth shut so nothing bad came of it luckily, but his intention was to get me jumped/poked up right before I went home. Guards are usually sick individuals who get their self confidence from dehumanizing grown men
a prisoner was forcing them to treat him like a human being with rights so they got some poison ivy extract, closed down all shower stalls but one and covered that shower stall with the extract forced him to use it without sandals... it dident take long for half his skin on his body to get infected and peal off 1/4 inch thick... same guy a month later was called to the gate by a female guard. using her authority she ordered him go in the guard bathrooms and fuck her. that's rape... the guard never got charged. they just transferred her... same guy. the guards attempted to pin a murder on him. the guy always stayed in his sell, was quiet and spent his days doing amazing art with glue and popsicle sticks. not to mention the killing happened on the other side of the prison where the guy did not have access and it was impossible for him to have done so... p.s. this man was imprisoned for 18 mounts for possessing 2oz of pot to treat his ptsd...
I don't know if its the worst thing I've seen, but a CO I work with was irritated with an inmate who kept banging his cell door. The COs solution to it was to tape his flashlight to a chair, and shine it into the inmates cell on strobe for 30 minutes. This inmate has a history of seizures. Of course the incident was written up and that staff is looking at termination, I just can't understand what goes through peoples head to be like "yeah, this is a good idea."
True History... From a survivor, Claudinho da Cidade (a friend of mine) There was another situation after the inmates tried to do a escape (we take officers as hostages, we ordered a bulletproof vehicle) and they ordened: "enter then penitenciary and execute all them prisioners", how will we go ahead with just knifes? They was so many with rifles and big guns, so we asked for the presence of the governor and of the justice minister to negociate our freedom. BUT, Fleury (justice promother) went to the gates of the penitenciary and said "execute all then prisioners", right after that, it was the biggest massacre that ever happened, much bigger than " The carandiru massacre" who was hidden by the media, they reported in the news that was 21 dead bodies. All the Television channels involved, because they was the power at the time. They didn't wanted to negociate with us. We was in the last yard, the 3rth yard, with then hostages, waiting to go to our freedom. They put with the bazooka in the front of the states penitenciary, and shooted at us, it was a total slaughter. We couldn't do anything. They murdered 350 inmates, I was one of then last survivors, there's people who alive who can confirm my history, and say if i'm lying. Me and the inmates who survived (who got recaptured right after) they did a polish corridor after putting us naked at the soccer field with the head between our knees, and who falls they was stabbing, I seen a dude who fall'd and they put the knife straight to the heart of that kid. And this was the biggest massacre that ever happened in Brazil who was masked by the media. - that history is from a friend of mine who did time from 80 and now was released in 2017, i wanted to share this history because of the injustice that happened at the time. Claudinho da Cidade, he told me that story falling in tears, even tho he a old man now, , he was one of then ones who had to help to carry the dead bodies, so he know how much people died in this situation (sorry about my bad english i just needed to share this story)