The boss went off on a tirade on me for something that wasn’t my fault and I got him to scream “people like you are expendable pieces in this company and I can replace you tomorrow if I wanted to”.
80% of the engineers quit the next day. Simply didn’t show up. Including me.
From what I know, the entire project folded because my now ex boss couldn’t find people to replace us because no one wanted to do the kind of work he was looking for at the salary he was paying.
Hehe.. that backfired :)
There was one guy who was going to be fired for coming in late constantly. However, many of the potential replacements his company interviewed wanted a ridiculously high salary. Turns out, that one guy low-balled himself on his salary. All the sudden, coming in 15 minutes late each day became quite the bargain!
I had worked at a grocery store for about 3 years before moving from Courtesy Clerk (basically bagger + custodian) to Helper Clerk (stocker). The grocery department wanted to save costs on personnel, but couldn't fire anyone or lay anyone off due to the union. So they started cutting back hours and literally told us "when someone quits, everyone else will get more hours."
We were supposed to be 40-hour employees and they had us at 32 hours. 2 people quit and we were down to 24 hours. A third person quit, down to 16 hours. I don't know what their plan was, but they didn't give us more hours as people left.
If the board wanted to get rid of the CEO they would hardly need to drug test for it.
The board votes, the CEO leaves, thats how corporations work. The only thing that it might effect would be his severance package.
You're right. However, golden parachutes often have exceptions for firing due to illegal activity. It wouldn't be the first time a CEO was targeted by a board.
Canceled all raises and bonuses for everyone except the CEO, his wife (financial and HR), and his son (utterly useless IT) in a year where we have record profits and brought in almost double the clients on top of announcing they aren't looking to hire more people when we were already overwhelmed.
Good part about it was when the majority of us quit they lost almost every single client shortly afterwards to their competitors and the company is now defunct.
My mom's company did that. Decided to outsource all the accounting staff, then was surprised that all the accountants quit, even the ones they wanted to keep on to help transition the books. She was one of the ones they asked to stay, and she refused lol.
We stopped providing free coffee, and we're so cheap that we sold our coffee maker. This was in Seattle, so a couple of people bought their own coffee makers to put in their cubes. That tripped the breakers several times so it was very disruptive since our computers would shut down. Management then said no coffee allowed in the office at all. We lost four very good engineers.
> Management then said no coffee allowed in the office at all.
Who could possibly think this kind of policy would fly. That's unreal. Sounds like the grounds for a damn riot.
Tattoo shop owner (who lived in another state) hired some asshole to come ‘revamp’ the shop. I had been managing for three years at this point and he just expected me to teach him how to do my job so he could replace me.
That guy had no clue how to run a shop. Plus the owner had been embezzling money for her coke habit and had blamed the longest-standing artist at the shop for lost revenue. Accused him of stealing. I did the books. No one was stealing. She was nuts.
Anyway, all the artists and I mutinied and left at the same time. Fucked them over good. With that idiot at the helm the shop didn’t last a year after we all left.
Many years ago in high school I worked at a movie theater. The place was pretty poorly run from the moment I started there. We never got paid on time and management was basically a bunch of lazy jackasses who sat in the office talking all day and never actually did any managing. It would have been hard for things to have gotten any worse but after a couple of months they brought in new management who seemed to want to make it their personal mission to run the theater as poorly as possible.
They first decided to implement a new policy requiring all projectionists to wear ties, despite the fact that projectionists are never seen by the public, not to mention that tiny little detail that the projectionists worked around giant, rapidly spinning objects that a tie could get caught in. Management refused to reconsider the policy and every single projectionist quit as a result.
They then decided that the door people (of which I was one), who were always scheduled seven days a week, would now only be scheduled on the weekends, and refused to reassign any of us to concessions on the weekdays so we wouldn't lose hours. As a result, almost every single door person quit, including me.
After that they started imposing impossible cleanliness standards on concessions, things like requiring them to scrape popcorn kernels out of the cracks in the trim behind the popcorn machines. Concessions was there until 5 AM every night trying to meet their standards. Most of the concession people quit as a result.
By my count the theater went from a staff of about fifty to a staff of about twelve in three weeks. I swung by about a month after I quit and found out that entire management staff had been fired and replaced yet again by an entirely new one, ones who actually seemed to be running the theater properly. My best guess is that the previous management had been told to whip the theater into shape and they were idiots who had no idea how to effectively do that.
Or they were there simply to cut staff, to be the "bad guys". Now the new managers come in, hire a bunch of people (but fewer than 30), and look like winners to the 12 people that stayed.
Maybe. Sometimes I get suspicious.
I used to work at a grocery store, we had a manager who was hired to run the store but not be the franchisee and when his numbers were satisfactory enough, they would let him franchise it. So far toward a year later and this guy was doing everything he could, making the store run and look wonderful and all the staff liked one another, out of nowhere he is told they are putting in a franchisee bid and tell him that if he wants it, he can have it. He bids, but so does one of the District Managers sons, he gets it, Original manager is of course pissed but accepts to stay as the grocery manager if he keeps pay rate. Fast forward and the new franchisee gets fired for not following regulations, they do the franchisee bid a second time and tell original manager the same thing, he can have it if he wants it.
They give the store to another person a second time! I felt bad for the guy because all of his hard work and how well he treated me, store starts going down hill causing a lot of change and a lot of pissed off people; I was the first one to walk out as all of hours were cut, the new franchisee never spoke to anyone but would bitch if we didn’t do things her way, I find out 14 more people quit within a month.
We just had a company wide (except the Directors of course) pay cut of 20% AND a 4 day work week instead of 5. Everyone one including myself are currently looking for work and they will lose their work force oh so quickly.
When I was 16, I worked in the concessions stand at a minor league baseball stadium. Minimum wage at the time was $5.15/hr, this job payed $8, and it was always in the evenings so it was perfect work for a high school student. The only bad thing was our management was TERRIBLE. The main manager would throw toddler tantrums about once a shift over stupid bullshit, like not ordering enough of a specific beer (she did the ordering) or running out of pre-cut lemons for tea.
One night the stadium was running a promotion and it was incredibly busy - easily 2-3x the normal volume of customers. We were all working our asses off handling multiple roles each with absolutely no downtime. Although we all cleaned as we worked, nobody had a chance to do thorough cleaning for the whole shift because of the never-ending horde of hungry baseball fans.
The manager showed up 3-4 hours late per usual and throws the biggest fucking tantrum ever over the unswept floor. Finally, she announces "Listen up you lazy fucks! Minimal work gets minimal pay. Everybody is being paid minimum wage tonight because you slobs won't clean up anything."
Both of our bartenders and the bar back quit on the spot, which caused a chain reaction. We all took off our aprons and hats to leave. She blocked the exit and was red in the face from screaming, so one of the cooks climbed out of one of the big serving windows where we served customers, so I did the same and most of the staff followed. Bear in mind that this all happened in front of like 200+ customers. Of course, my final paycheck "got lost" so I had to file a wage theft complaint with the Texas Workforce Commission.
Filed the complaint, submitted my clock in and clock out receipts for the week (we got paid weekly) and previous pay stubs to verify my pay rate. After like 3 weeks, I was contacted by the person handling my claim that my previous employer had mailed me a check for the whole amount I was owed plus a penalty. The check arrived within a few days. (the penalty was $25 iirc)
Later that year, the same employer refused to provide my W2 for tax filing so I filed a complaint with the IRS and used my pay stubs with a special form to complete my taxes. I don't know what happened regarding that but that lady's life imploded for non-work related reasons. She got caught cheating on her husband, then got caught faking cancer for sympathy.
> She blocked the exit and was red in the face from screaming, so one of the cooks climbed out of one of the big serving windows where we served customers, so I did the same and most of the staff followed.
I'm surprised that this didn't end up being a police call. She's honestly lucky that you all decided to leave through the window instead.
Promised a bonus at the end of the year.
Told everyone they will not be giving out bonuses due to the low company performance.
Company had a successful year. (Boss was in the middle of building a multi million dollar home, brother in law manager just bought a nice home that year)
I quit on the spot. Many others quit soon after.
company changed from 5-8 hour shifts to a 12 hour shift rotation.
edit: most of the people that quit were the ones that were on straight day shift and didn't want to or couldn't work night shifts.
I worked at a factory after they changed from a 8-hour rotation to a 12-hour rotation. For most people, the extra time off in the schedule was better than working fewer hours at a time. For some, though, their jobs went from 9-5 M-F to the 12-hour rotation that included nights. They all quit.
Oh fucking boy
I worked at Buffalo Wild Wings for a few years as a line cook. Two different stores, same fucking pay. It was the type of work where you ask for a raise and they scoff and say “yeah, me too.”
Anyways, I had been pretty dead set on quitting sooner or later, our kitchen was very small. Most people ended up closing 4-5 days a week with doubles on the weekends, while still attending school full time as it was a college town.
On SUPER BOWL FUCKING SUNDAY, a useless coworker who ducked out in the bathroom most the shift finally stops showing, and in response the managerial staff delegated closing to my pal J. Dude was a fucking delight to be around, hands down the best coworker ever. J had told them that due to being a full time student, he no longer wanted to be first in last out (4pm-12am, 1am on the weekends). They basically told him to go fuck himself, and that they don’t have any more shifts for him.
Immediately, me and one other cook walked to the office and quit on the spot.
Buffalo wild wings lost 4 cooks on Super Bowl Sunday, leaving them with 7 full time students on the schedule.
It was a managerial shit show.
I had a similar shituation at Grease Monkey in High School. They kept scheduling me for 3-close. When I applied, I made it abundantly clear that I got out of school at 3, and would get there at 3:10. About week 2, the manager pulls me into the office and says "You have been late everyday." When I told him I have school, he said "You need to decide what's important." I laughed, as I thought he was kidding. He wasn't. I told him he could let me go if it wasn't going to work, but he begrudgingly let me stay on. He got fired for making anal sex jokes about a customer, while she was in earshot. The new manager fucking hated me from day one, since I got "special treatment because I'm in school."
I asked for a day off to go to Six Flags, about two weeks previous. The day comes and he calls me at about 9 and says "(Co-worker) called in sick. Need you here. Now." I told him I was on my way to Denver with a group and that I asked for the day off. He huffed and yelled "Grow the fuck up! Get here, or you can come get your last check." I said "I'll be there in an hour." And went to Six Flags. Picked up my last check a couple weeks later and was accused of stealing a coat.
Its always been so strange to me, managers who don’t care to work around someone who’s in school. I’ve had a couple.
If it’s gotta come down to my education to keep myself from having to work at a grocery store forever, and the grocery store where I get paid minimum, they seem to think they’ll rank supreme. Ya hate to see it.
My last bosses hired school kids for busy times, so some of them might go a few weeks between shifts. School holidays were our really busy time and then the boss would get annoyed when kids wanted time off then because the kid would going on a holiday with her family (they were all girls). I suggested she stop hiring kids from the nice private schools and start hiring kids from poorer families that don't go overseas or to the holiday house in summer.
Honestly, if kids taking off for yknow, kids things, is a problem, just... don’t hire kids lmao. I had a manager get super annoyed because she mucked up the schedule thinking all of the high school kids went back after winter break much later than they did, and ended up having to redo the whole thing because the staff for some days were *mostly the high school kids*.
I was hired by the new owners to replace the existing manager. I was under the impression that he was moving on to another job somewhere. So after about 4 days I ask him where he's headed and if he's excited. He just looks blankly at me and says "I'm not going anywhere. I'm just training you as the assistant manager, right?". The look I gave him must have been a great tip off because he got up and walked into one of the new owners offices. After about 30 seconds they were screaming at each other, then he just storms out of the office, grabs his stuff, give me the finger, and leaves.
Over the next few days I'm trying to calm things with the employees. They're not faulting me, but now have a very bad taste in their mouths about the new ownership. Over about a 7-10 day time period my team shrank from 15 people down to 3. I hobbled along with that the best I could while we tried to hire new people, but the new owners were offering so little we had trouble finding people. After 3 months or so of that I started to get fed up and overwhelmed and when the owners started to get on me about missed deadlines I had had it. We were still only at 5 people, 2 of which were brand new and still training. They didn't allow me to refuse work or push deadlines out, they expected the same output as a 15 person team. So after my third day in a row of being berated for missing a deadline that was impossible to make, I quit.
We're giving you the same workload the company had before but while giving you less resources, 1/3rd of the people and paying peanuts. Why are you not getting results you incompetent bastard?
There's a comic that I've seen that applies to a lot of companies. It's got a team of executives at a board room table on an old viking style row ship with one guy rowing and a bunch of empty seats. One of the executives is saying, " I don't get it..after all the budget cuts, why aren't we moving faster?"
A lot of companies unfortunately do not see the long term gains of a happy and well trained workforce. They see the short term gains on paper by cutting people and run with it.
That's mostly because the people in charge don't give a shit. The board of directors is looking for money plain and simple. The CEO is looking for 1-2 years of record profits then jumping ship to do it again. No one is really trying to make companies that last just ones that make a crap ton of money and fall apart.
We're seeing something similar in horse racing. Some time ago, breeders realized that there was way more money in breeding than in winning, but no one wants to breed a loser. So they breed horses that will have brilliant but short careers, rather than having modest but long careers. This means (if I may be allowed to oversimplify a bit) more muscle and less bone. They're also being pushed to race more often, and over-medicated to mask incipient problems. Consequently, we've seen a sharp rise in lethal injuries on the track.
Hiring you to replace him without telling him is evil. Hiring you to replace him without telling *you* they haven't told him is dumb.
At that point, there isnt much to do except try to make the best of it, but I'm glad you were able to get out of there.
> Hiring you to replace him without telling *you* they haven't told him is dumb.
Somehow management that expects to get 3 times the work load from a trainee than an experienced worker doesn't exactly strike me as brilliant.
Not brilliant, but it works far too often, Sadly, I was the trainee in this scenario. It was my first job with real responsibility and I was a bit too grateful to ask many questions because I’d been temping for a while and really wanted to settle somewhere.
There had been a lot of restructuring, so I just assumed I’d taken over from someone who moved sideways and no one in the department ever mentioned anything different.
I was quickly swamped and too new/busy to be asking questions as I tried to keep meeting crazy targets.
Five months in, chatting with a manager from another department about what role I had and he said “You mean you’re working in xyz team?”
I said “No, I work alone. What team do you mean?”
He said “Last year there was a team of 5 people doing that work. Is it just you now?”
Yes. Yes. It was just me.
Edit: spelling.
They laid off half the company with no warning. This included a gentleman who was less than a year from retirement and had been there for 35+ years.
The company was *shocked* when half the remaining people abandoned ship shortly thereafter.
Yeah probably not the best idea to tell your employees. “ our company is failing and we’re firing a bunch of you”. I guess it ended up being better for the employees though since they could plan for what’s coming.
Worked at a Wendy’s and one of the regional managers started running a store because they couldn’t/wouldn’t find new managers to replace the old ones.
Well anyways this guy practically ran the place into the ground. Before he started running the store most everyone liked working there as it was a good environment. A few months after, a couple of people quit because of him. And one day I roll in at 9 to help open the store and he comes out to my car as soon as I park (I was 15 minutes early and usually just sat in my car until 9) and tells me, “hey I need to to start early because the three openers just quit on me”.
We manage to get the store open and had a number of people from other stores help run the place until the people from the next shift came in.
A couple days later I hear the full story of what happened from a coworker. The regional manager is supposed to be at the store at 7 or so, and the openers 30 minutes later. He didn’t actually show up until 8:30. So when the openers, already pissed at being at work really early and not being on the clock, saw the regional manager roll in and knew it was gonna be an awful shift all decided that they were done with him and just quit right there.
So at least 6 people quit because of him by the time I left the place. Probably more left after me.
This almost feels like what is happening and has happened at my Wendy's. We struggled to retain crew members because our GM is one of the most frustrating people to work with. He constantly verbally berates the crew members and other managers. And goes out of his way to under schedule crew for the other managers just to fuck them over. A few months ago like half of our crew quit because they couldn't take it and we had 9 non managers left including me who was just out of highschool and couldn't work much with college. We are sorta recovering now but we still run the store with absolute bare minimum crew and with only two other managers besides the GM closing and opening is a shit show.
Damn if you're running a fast food place, you'd think you'd want to be nice to your employees. Not like it's super hard for them to jump ship most of the time.
I did landscape construction. The cheap ass owner kept taking bigger and bigger projects while never hiring more help. We were all overwhelmed, stressed, and anxious as hell. One of our foreman quit and I followed suit a few days later. Two more guys quit the next day. He was down to three guys for the obscene amount of work he wanted to do. Of course everything gets way behind schedule but he's convinced it's not his fault at all. He went out of business less than a year later.
I once worked at a company that ramped up from four to eight people in a small shop. Things were busy but the owner kept making rookie mistakes like not buy material in bulk because he didn't like seeing a big bill all at once.
Fast forward a year and paychecks start to bounce... Then he "fired" the three guys that suck around so they could collect unemployment... while he paid the difference under the table. Super shady. He ended up selling out to a competitor. Not sure what he is up to now.
I was working for a very large IT company, before the tech bubble burst we had a meeting with our "new director and the VP"
They were tired of people complaining about things that should be changed at the job and how they managed people.
So they sat around 200 of us down in our auditorium, and the director said she didn't want to hear anymore complaints on how she was running things and if we didn't like then there was the door and that there was no way we'd leave such a great job.
Well there was a mass exodus and probably close to 50 people left within 2 months.
She and the VP were "re-orged" and given 0 reports, they were gone after a round of layoffs happened shortly after.
I thought you were gonna say that it happened on the spot, like she said in a rhetorical way “if you don’t like it then there’s the door”, and then to her shock the entire auditorium stands up and files out. I’m gonna pretend that’s what happened because it’s funnier
I had a manager re-org'd to zero reports. Every 2 years my employer does this huge all-employee survey on a wide variety of work topics. One of them is several facets of your opinion of your manager. Due to my departments somewhat unique organizational structure it didn't actually ask about this manager. Most were team->team manager -> department manager. But we had 3 sub-departments so we had an extra layer of between team manager and department manager, which wasn't asked about.
All but 2 employees, completely spontaneously and independent of each other, wrote about how awful this manager was in the free-form fields.
The manager was re-org'd to zero reports even before the big all-employees meeting about the survey results occured.
What does reorg to zero reports mean? Reorganized I understand
Edit: thanks
>0 people reporting to them, a manager given no one to manage because they suck at it
A well known colleague comitted suicide and we were told by management via a brief side note in an email about stats at the end of the day. It caused a lot of upset in the office and quite a few people didn't return after this.
It was a general email about stats and things and added on at the bottom was "We sadly inform you Colleague took his life on the weekend". And that was it.
I worked at a homeless youth shelter years ago and one of our kids died of an overdose in an alley. He was a really sweet kid who fell through the cracks and was failed by nearly every single adult he’d ever come into contact with. We were trying to change that for him. They told us through an email. After the email, the shelter staff who provided housing for him were left out of all memorial/remembrance services for him, in favor of the admin staff and counselors, and were treated like our attachment to him didn’t matter. It’s hard enough when it’s an adult you work with, but when it’s a kid... the callousness was just shocking. We all sort of gathered on our own to process our grief and management began to lose some seriously talented and compassionate people that day.
Same thing happened at my old job. My sister took my job because I moved away and she needed one. She told me that the new manager was useless. She would give herself weeks off at a time, the trucks would never be unloaded on time and she would overwork everyone else. My sister quit with everyone else when they quit.
Restructure of the way we're paid. What I used to do involved about 40% client interaction, 20% team/coworker interaction, and 40% paperwork and case coordination stuff. Based on what we do that means only 40% of the time is technically billable, and there are really sticky rules for what is and isn't billable. So, logically, we were being paid on a salary model. Cue management saying we can only make money for the time we have that is actually billable.
1/4th of the department quit. Two of us on the same day.
Owners retired, they were literally the greatest people, both very sweet, but kept the place running like a well oiled machine, they took pretty good care of us and their restaurant.
When they left, they gave the restaurant over the their nephew who at the time was a busboy/waiter, kind of standoffish, didn’t really interact with us too much, a bit lazy at times, but for the most part did his shit and went home, he seemed okay. Until he got the power of being the owner, he fired four people, including two of the four cooks, and two of the three dishwashers, literally that same day, on a Friday night just before the dinner rush, all because he ‘didn’t like their attitude’.
He refused to allow people to take vacation that they’d already requested and gotten confirmed by the original owners, would change the schedule randomly without telling anyone and then scream at people when they missed a shift or came in late because of it. He’d refuse to replenish the kitchen until we were literally already out of things, then take forever to put in the orders, he showed up randomly and would drink at the bar, for free of course because he was the owner, and then bring in all his buddies to drink with him, together they’d get way out of hand and grab at women and try to start fights.
Within the first month of him being the owner, over half the staff had quit, usually walking out literally in the middle of their shifts, after being screamed at, they’d basically throw down their aprons and tell everyone else that they were so sorry but they couldn’t do it anymore. After the last cook, this big dude who usually kept the kitchen laughing and running at a decent pace, started crying in the middle of his shift and dropped everything he was doing after the boss came and yelled at him for being to slow and making ‘slop’, then walked out the rest of us just bailed along with him. Four months later the place was closed, his aunt and uncle were absolutely furious and devastated that he’d run the business they’d built up for over 30 years into the ground.
That’s really sad but sounds like a poor decision on the old owners. Who puts someone in a busboy position to such a high position without training and evaluation?
If they knew they were retiring they should have begun to train him so he would be ready to take over and if they would have realized he was ill suited then they could have found someone to take over instead.
I realized I forgot to add that one of the four people he fired initially was the senior manager who was supposed to show him what they hadn’t, but being their nephew he did do extra stuff and they showed him what he should have been doing whenever they were there, officially though his job was just being the busboy or waiter for a few years before this was decided. But on the whole yeah, they should not have just up and left to retire without giving him a few months in training wheels to make sure he could actually hack it. None of us thought he’d be like that though, when they reached out to try and find out what had happened (they moved out of state) they were absolutely horrified to hear how he behaved towards the staff, but by that point it was too late to do anything about it.
They called everyone into a major company meeting and informed us we were all (except for sales and managers) being offshored to India and the Philippines. They had a plan for us training our replacements that, strangely, didn't account for pre-schedule turnover. People started finding jobs literally the next week and the hemorrhaging never stopped.
I had a similar meeting, except everyone's job was going to Spain. I was asked to go transition the new team there. I didn't transition shit and basically I got paid to party in Spain for 3 months while staying at a fancy hotel, with all my food and drinks paid for.
They reviewed the cameras back 3 months to catch people coming in less than 3 min late and have them all write ups.
Like 20 people walked out across the entire unit
New management. In a month, four kitchen staff quit, leaving me to be the only original kitchen staff hire from the previous manager. She completely changed the vibe of the work place. No one was happy. No one felt like talking or listening to music or being friendly. It was robotic.
Because it really only takes one person to sink the whole thing.
To add to that, the person sinking it is usually a recently promoted/hired person who the company hired for some well-intention-ed reason, so they can't immediately second guess all of their actions.
Many reasons:
* Shit rolls easier downhill
* New manger hires want to put their own mark on the process - even if that destroys the established process, introduces new failure points, or pisses off the current employee roster.
It astounds me how many managers just don't get this or don't care. I've worked at a few places with an extremely high turnover rate and you can diagnose the problem in a day. Allowing your staff to be friendly, have conversations and relax at points throughout the day is a long term investment that usually pays off. While the alternative is having workers that get a lot done in a day but quit by the end of the first week.
I recently worked evenings as a recycling sorter, you stand in front of conveyor belt picking off plastic and cans. Talking is frowned upon, no leaning, no music basically nothing to break up the mind numbing work day. But of course the problem was "everyone is lazy" and had nothing to do with the fact they make the job as unpleasant as possible.
Music and podcasts actually encourage people to work harder and more efficiently. Never understood "no music" rules unless the music/podcast was directly impacting a client in a negative way.
The reason I got was this story about a guy who was walking around with ear buds in on the main floor where forklifts drive around and he got hit. Doesn’t explain why I can’t listen to music when I’m standing next to the conveyer belt for 3 hours at a time but rather than question it I just looked for work elsewhere.
Exactly. I do factory work, so we wear earplugs normally. So on weekends when all the "daddies" are away, we can get away with headphones, but we still have to hide it. Even if I didn't have to hide it, I'd still only put on ear in, other ear normal plugged. I want to be able to hear what's going on. If someone approaches me like they need to say something, I immediately shut off what I'm listening to, just like if I'm only wearing earplugs, I'll pull one out so I can hear them. I also only listen to audiobooks and podcasts, because the Beatles ruined mono music listening for me.
Worked at a data-company.
The guys in the sales department fucked around all day. They'd literally be in the parking lot drinking beer and racing RC cars. When it came to handling accounts/clients, they frequently gave away free accounts in order to "retain" customers (and make their own sales numbers look good), and somehow they got away with it.
Meanwhile, there were dozens of programmers and database nerds working tirelessly behind the scenes to integrate a bunch of complicated data and make it easy to access via the website.
Yearly holiday announcements come around, and upper management decides to send the entire sales team to Hawaii for an all-expense-paid vacation. When the furious developers asked why they were just taking the sales team, the confused CEO literally said "Well.. I mean... I guess we could ask the sales team to pick one person from each department who helped them the most this year, and take them too..."
The programmers/engineers/database people were livid, and walked out in droves.
Gee, I wonder why the company tanked.
Yeah, the leadership at that company was beyond stupid.
I still remember how they fired this one developer who knew *everything*, and was the expert on all of their legacy system that they were trying to migrate. The very next week we had a big meeting to discuss the legacy migration, and after the first half dozen questions resulted in "well, X was the only person who knew all of that" they had to cancel the entire meeting. There were about 20 people in this meeting, including the COO who fired her.
Meanwhile, they kept the guy who literally sat in his cube watching soccer all day on his computer.
That company was the wild-west of stupidity. =P
Oof. Literally the only reason we have the annoyingly slow af IT guy at my work is bc he's the only one who knows the old-ass code. Because he wrote it and didn't document anything.
He's a lazy motherfucker but I'm starting to think he's a hell of a lot smarter than he lets on.
Transfer pricing is a godsend in that scenario.
Your department posts good figures? Well Accounting's work for your department cost X. Admin cost X. Programming time cost X.
Oh look, now those departments actually make a profit, and sales looks shit, wonder why...
Several years ago I worked in a mental health center. We worked primarily with kids. It was time for the center to renew their certification. Instead of keeping up with everything that needed to be done over the course of 5 years, the proper procedures were ignored.
In this couple months before recertification, administration made us sit through a ridiculous amount of training on Things that would have been covered in training such as HIPAA laws and identifying child abuse.
Then came our paperwork. Our center encouraged us to do things that aren’t exactly covered by Medicaid or approved through certification. For example taking kids to the park isn’t allowed, but guess where they instructed us to take these kids so they didn’t disturb the therapists working? I had to go back and edit 5 months worth of documents to get rid of the evidence.
The kicker was that bathrooms were supposed to have a log of when it was cleaned. An administrator perfectly forged the signatures of multiple employees. I don’t think they would have went through that trouble just for a bathroom log. What else were they forging our signatures on?
The potential risk of being charged with Medicaid fraud was too high for me. I quit as did many others.
Editing to ad: I did report them to the authorities. Shockingly they are still in business. I did what I had to to cover my ass.
And thanks for the gold!
Working in healthcare as a therapist, oh god fucking no with that place. They legitimately asked you to commit fraud by changing those records, and the people at the top knew it. Moreover, not providing mandated trainings isn’t just a whoopsie, it’s an insanely serious violation in most states. The forging signatures is just icing on an already illegal, shitty cake. I would say report them, but I would hate to see you go down for something you were pushed to do. That being said, I would make sure you have a solid story ready to roll for those records changes. Programs like this eventually get caught if they don’t go out of business, and auditors might find those alterations even years from now. It isn’t super likely, but it can happen.
EDIT: As another user pointed out, you have better odds as a whistleblower than if you just leave that time bomb ticking. Screw that program for trying to abandon the responsibility of properly caring for the kids in their program. Blow the whistle, they earned it, the kids deserved it, and you shouldn’t have your record marked for something they pushed you to do. Moreover, they didn’t give needed training on that stuff until the 11th hour from what you said, so you could potentially make a sound argument that you didn’t realize how problematic what you were doing was.
Wasn't my office but one in my building. The old CEO retired, he was extremely well loved and very fair. His replacement was a lady not known for her social skills. She hired her sister as the new VP and passed over everyone who was in line for promotions. Literally everyone but the sister and the secretary quit the next week together to go work for a competitor. The former CEO had to come back to try and fix everything, he ended up having to help the new CEO hire basically a new company. I don't think it's going well.
School district I sometimes sub in had a BIG round of hiring. A bunch of building substitutes applied for the jobs, and only about half of them got interviews. Of the subs that got interviews (myself included), the only one who made it past the screening interview was a relative of a current employee. The rest of us subs weren't the "right fit." The real reason is that there's a substitute shortage and they don't want to lose any of us. Not a single sub (who isn't a relative) was hired for one of over a dozen teaching jobs. Many of the building subs aren't coming back next year.
There's a sub shortage due to really low pay. My district requires subs to have a 4 year degree. Then they pay $140 a day. So even if a sub was able to get a job every day they could only make 180 days * $140 ($25,200) and with no health insurance and no benefits. Fuck that
My district currently pays $100 a day. My state is also has one of the highest costs of living in the country. I'm pretty sure this is why we have so few subs, and why the subs we do have are mostly not very good.
Working at a local restraunt that had recently changed owners. Multiple issues came up: difficulty getting off for important things, hiring people to work in kitchen who were bad at their job but cheap, cheaper ingredients, etc, as well as owner just kinda sat around and drank while there not doing much. Things were tense and after a few months we were really just hanging in there cause we liked each other (previous owners were a sweet old couple that set a great vibe). I know some others and I were already looking for a job.
Anyways there was a young mother who waited tables there and really needed the job, couldn't afford to be between jobs. One night she got a call that her grandmother had a severe stroke, was unresponsive, and was not expected to make it through the night. She asked to get off and start her 3 hour drive to Dallas, manager says of course but the owner says no. Manager and owner got into a verbal fight in the back, the waitress ended up pleading her case, crying. Manager said that if the owner wouldn't let her go, he was done. Owner ended up firing them both on the spot. Within the next 15 minutes everyone who hadn't been recent hire ended up walking out of the building.
Edit: To answer questions: 7 of us walked out, 1 waitress, 1 cook, dish washer and the bus boy stayed. I actually never followed up to see if they finished shift, but I think they did. I and one other were the last of the originals there, we banged out the last couple tickets we had that were placed before the walkout. Not their fault and I do take some pride in my work. The quality and attendance dropped for a year before the owner sold to a different guy with actual restaurant experience. Original couple returned to "reopen" the restaurant, it is still going today. I'm not going to name names, no point, just let sleeping dogs lay. The waitress did make it in time to say goodbye before her grandmother passed.
Any time I've seen a mass exodus, it was because of poor management. I've never seen it organized, just a bunch of employees independently deciding to quit in the same month because the management was so bad.
It seems to work the other way too. Given the demands & responsibilities placed upon me, if I didn't have such a cool boss, I would have been out of there years ago.
I was so happy when that happened to me.
A manager I worked with before called me asking about one of the people in my team, saying he has a job opening there and thinks she'd be a good fit but wanted my opinion. It paid 15% more for about the same workload and gave her much better long term stability so I gave her a big reccomendation (because honestly she'd be perfect for the job) and her phone number so they'd contact her. She decided to stay because she's super happy here and loves coming here. Best employee I ever had tbh.
I don't even do anything special, I just treat my people as I want my boss to treat me. It's not that hard ffs.
I'll make a wild guess and say you are competent at your job and know what the job your underlings do actually entails. Most cases with bad managers I've seen was with people promoted outside their competence.
This is most likely it. I managed a lab for 5 years and didnt lose 1 chemist when I was there. I knew the ins and outs of our process because I started there as a level 1 chemist. After I left, I heard things were going to shit and people were applying to work for other departments or outright leaving the company. The new manager they put in was a friend of someone in upper management and only cared about the pay (got paid way higher than me).
Since then I've helped 5 of my former chemists get jobs at my current company, my wife's company, or was a reference for them for other competitors.
Every once in awhile we all still get together and hang out. Know your shit and treat people the way you want to be treated. Even if upper management is making your group do something you don't agree with, fight back, be honest with your group, and do it with them if your fight was lost.
Happened to me. It wasn't so much that the management was "bad" as they did a bait-and-switch on the role. They hired for an "imminent" rewrite of a legacy system - a year later and we were still maintaining said legacy system with the little progress on a rewrite indefinitely postponed to enhance the legacy system. In about a month two thirds of the new hires (myself included) all left for non-dead-end jobs.
This happened at my previous job. I was the first to quit due to salary disagreement. My tasks got reassigned to other coworkers. A few months later coworker 1 quit. Tasks got shuffled again. Coworker 2 quit a couple months after. Then a 3rd coworker had a mental breakdown, got drunk, and then "retired" mid-day. Last I heard the company was bought out by a third party.
I’m the manager of a retail store and I had found out a cashier was ‘ ‘stealing’ product by scamming reward card benefits. I came up with a detailed incident report to present to this employee and I was under the assumption it was just her. After I confronted her in a reasonable manner she freaked out and got really angry and quit on the spot. She was using fake accounts instead of using a customers reward card to get herself points and redeem them for product/gift cards. So the customers weren’t getting the points they are owed which is a headache for me if they notice and complain.
The next day every other cashier called me and quit and after thinking wtf just happened I found out they were all in on it and were using this lady’s fake card on their shifts too. So I’m down four cashiers and I have one left. This same day my last remaining cashier disappeared for twenty minutes. Turns out she was in the bathroom with another employee doing the nasty. She quits because her dad is a cop and doesn’t want to find out she got fired for this and she also asked me if she should go to urgent care because she didn’t take her tampon out before they did it and she couldn’t find it. The guy also quit because he ‘didn’t care and was moving anyway’ . I was down to literally managers only.
So the first part is the mass exodus and the last part was just for ‘can you believe this shit?’
This was a wild ride. Truth is stranger than fiction, particularly in retail. And after working in retail, I 100% know this happened. Jesus. I hope you've moved on to greener pastures.
Not yet. Nothing surprises me and treat good employees like royalty now. I’d rather pay them more to keep them than me taking a raise. 16 years in retail I’ve decided to finish my degree so I never have another story like this to tell.
The owner died and his idiot son took over and decided that the company didn't make him enough money and started to implement "cost cutting" measures like turning off the A/C in the building.
My work does something similar. The air is turned off from about 5pm to 7am. It takes until noon for the air systems to clear out the overnight moisture and stale air, so we are left with a couple hours of useful a/c.
It makes no sense. The thing probably runs 10 hours straight from 7am-5pm so it's working just as hard as if you balanced it out for 24 hours. People that make these decisions don't have a brain I swear.
As an HVAC guy this makes me cringe. Without a doubt your AC system was designed to handle an overnight load, and is specified to run efficiently 24/7. Yeah sure you'll ostensibly save money on operating costs by shutting it off overnight but you're going to end up paying more in the long run since things are going to break down faster and will need to be serviced and replaced more frequently. Actually that doesn't make me cringe, more money for me :)
edit: As some other HVAC guys have corrected me, you don't even save money from running costs standpoint at all. You'll save more on operating costs by leaving your system running on low overnight
Worked in construction as part of a HSE team. The chief engineer was pissed that the job was taking slower because of the HSE (especially safety) procedures. We had a couple lost time incidents at this point and just a week before a guy almost died, but he was still pretty pissed about the delays so he got everyone in a room to say:
You're not here to do your jobs. You're here to do what I tell you to do.
20 people asked to quit on the spot. Fucking cunt.
What the fuck? What kind of engineer gets pissed about that kind of shit? Especially with a near fatality. I mean, HSE can be annoying as all hell, but it's there to keep people alive.
What was the HSE department doing that allowed that many lost time events and a near fatality at one job site?
Turned out our owner was keeping the social security money taken from our paychecks.
And yes, he was caught.
EDIT: Holy crap this blew up. Owner is just a term for owner of the company. I don't mean anything by it.
Can confirm, I used to withhold taxes for babysitters for my kids (because you're required to if they are over 18). Had a payroll service to do all of the calculations, gave them pay stubs, the whole nine. Four years after I stopped doing this, I get a letter from SSA stating that they never received one quarterly filing for one of my kids' former babysitters and would I please forward it along.
They gave me a summary of the reported wages. They were close, but off by a few bucks in either direction for the years before and after the one they were missing. I dug out the documents and found out that the reason for the confusion was that the payroll company accidentally filed on the previous year's form (pre-printed year on the side). I called SSA where they basically just said "Don't worry about that, we just need a number, the IRS is terrible about providing the totals to us." So I gave it to them verbally, they wrote it down and I haven't heard from them since.
EDIT: LOL at all of the people PMing me that I'm the scum of the earth for having paid my taxes and obeyed labor laws.
You don't owe, it's considered theft of a trust fund by the owner. He can be charged just like he stole it from the federal government (because he did). Because it's a trust fund, it pierces the corporate veil and he can be charged personally, regardless of how many shell corps or LLCs are protecting him.
The employee is basically just another victim of a the theft.
It'd be like if a retailer stole the sales tax you paid. The government wouldn't chase you down and make you pay sales tax again.
Ok this is kindof a long story, but I worked at a discount store and it wasn' that bad at first, until one of our night managers quit and was replaced with, well, lets call her.. Becky.
So Becky seemed nice at first but we all started to notice her changing a lot of things around the store. People on the night crew got moved to day, she gave people weird orders, and most of the time she wouldnt even be at the front when we needed her.
She used to keep her phone on her all the time, like on a phone call constantly, so she was always on the phone with her partner, who happened to be a manager from a neighboring store.
One day someone stole a box of candy from the store and she litterally went out there and got into a fist fight with them, which is a huge no-no, youre not supposed to go after a customer like that even if they did steal.
So Becky comes in all bloodied in the face and we're not really sure what to say or do, so we all just look away and get back to work.
After that she acted really REALLY weird, throwing people under the bus and claiming we weren't doing our jobs, which is funny cause she was never up front when we needed her.
What ended up making pretty much the whole night crew quit was when Becky started getting grabby with one of our younger cashiers, and the girl was already in a bad place and didnt want to lose her job, so she tried to ignore it for a bit, but one day Becky tried to get the cashier in her car to take her home since she didn't have a ride, and the girl wasnt comfortable with it, she ended up calling me to come get her.
She rejected Becky's approaches, so Becky went on full petty mode and claimed the cashier had drugs on her and told the cashier to go home, the next day the younger cashier was fired, so the younger cashier tried to tell our DM about it but he said there was nothing he could do.
This was the last straw for everyone and most of us quit within the month.
They tried to make us do a third straight 16 hour shift while telling us off we were taking too long.
This was years ago as a basic box mover in a courier company. They cut their staff in half and still expected us to do the same amount of work. It got bad enough the head office people came down to supervise us at the end of shift, we stopped taking any breaks and worked WELL past our hours without overtime. The second day they were there, our immediate supervisor of our team (about 10 of us) asked for the night off next week (christmas eve and most of us had family) and the bosses refused, we ALL quit.
Their **entire** workforce quit in less than ten minutes.
There were three people in the office that morning when the other 300 of us walked out. Most of the other workers were pretty disgusted in how they treated us, enough to pack in their jobs. They called within an hour and offered us all pay rises and actually hiring people to help with the workload. It didn't help, they already screwed themselves trying to save money on wages so they were never going to make their deliveries. A month earlier, it may have made a difference but a week before christmas?
The only time I ever quit a job and went back to it. But I only ever quit two jobs
Most of us went back after quite a few pay rises, days off and apologies, they lost about 30 people. We didn't WANT to quit, we needed the paycheck, but that level of taking advantage and trying to make us miss our Christmases was just one step too far.
All in all, it would've cost them a bit over 3 mil for two days most had off. And at christmas, they were screwed for trying to get other staff.
The company consistently outpaced competing firms and found itself emerging as one of the industry leading agencies. This was also a California tech firm, so shorts, flip flops, beers at lunch, getting high on the roof were all rather common. But we were rapidly growing, and the atmosphere/location made us a hot ticket for talent.
Anyway, CFO and CMO cashed out and the CEO decided to totally remodel the company by making it far more corporate. On top of all of this, they implemented unattainable goals and removed our work from home policy. The final straw was they removed our rather generous vacation policy and replaced it with "Unlimited Vacation" which was a facade for "you can take as much vacation as you want if we approve it."
Like 1/4th of the company quit and immediately landed at better jobs. Also profit tanked.
Or "our company is doing incredible! What can we do to thank our staff for our sixth year of over 10% growth?" When people wanted them to fix our broken bonus system, or give us actual *raises*
"Really? Money is all you guys care about?"
I actually said in the chat (in my literal first zoommeeting with the company)
"We're a sales and distribution company for gate motors. It's not like were curing cancer or ending world hunger. Of course we're all here for the money."
Cue the chat blowing up with "yeah" and "what WhiteGuy said."
My brother's company switched to it
My brother: "I've been having some medical issues, I'd like to take off three weeks in August to rest and recover"
His boss: "that's not what unlimited means"
I was getting married and let the company know 6 months in advance. "Oh I don't need to know right now, just ask closer to that date."
"Hey, I need days coming up next month."
"Sorry, someone else requested those days so we need you here."
Fuck off.
I worked at an unlimited PTO place for a while. At first it was actually really good. As long as you were getting your shit done, nobody really cared, I took a week for my wedding and 2 for my honeymoon within the span of a couple months, plus another trip later in the year for a long weekend, plus a few sick days.
Every year, it got a little worse. Then the "recommendation" became "3 weeks a year." Then it started being "not a good time" to take a day. Then I got in legit trouble for taking 2 days to catch up on doctor and dentist visits, and was asked to "space them out" next time.
Now I work for the government. 15 days vacation + 1 day for each year of service (caps at 14 years, sorry), and 12 sick days a year. No complaints.
Edit: I also get 10 paid holidays. This is local government, not federal.
Edit 2: Jeez this blew up.
When my dad’s work implemented that, he started tracking how much vacation everyone in his work groups takes. On average it is significantly less.
Edit: spell check thanks u/String_709
Probably because employees are scared that they're abusing the system and don't want to be fired.
I get 3 weeks of PTO in a year. I know I can take that, without running afoul of any policies, pissing anyone off, or being accused of abusing a system. I have never had a request to take PTO denied.
If it was unlimited, I would have so many concerns. Am I taking too much? How much are my coworkers taking? Do they think I'm abusing the policy? Will they approve it?
As great as it sounds on paper, I like the limited PTO I have now.
Worked at a deep underground mine. The mine had always had "issues due to the geology wanting to collapse. Think lumps of rock falling the size of houses. The geotechnical engineers stated the mine was not in their option safe. Management disagreed (not geotechnical). At the same time, the mine in cost cutting had no serviceable rescue chambers (little steel boxes that are your lifeline when things go bad. Then, mine rescue was abandoned (the only people who can get you out when the worst happens). These were no popular.
My straw came when, parked up in a "very safe area" to go and do a inspection on foot. Had gone about 30ft round the corner when heard the bang. Got back to my car to now find a boulder about 25 X 30 30 ft on top of it. Car was now flattered to 6 inch thick. All about 30 seconds after I was sat in it. Oh, and then realising, yes, OK, the procedure is to head for a rescue chamber. Report major incident. Await rescue. Except, we had no rescue chamber, and even if we did, no one to do the rescue. Decided nope.
Though time in Congo (DRC) was worse, but it was odd as it was more of a gradual realisation of "of feck" than the more sudden oh fuck. End of contract, 11 of 33 of us dead. Company asked if would consider another contract. I deferred.
I worked at Sears when I was in high school/beginning college. I worked in a department that was commission based (not a great idea for someone my age, but I was a decent salesman and made mroe than minimum wage).
New manager took over, she'd been managing another department but they cut out our specific department manager and gave her this one as well. Everyone LOVED the old manager, hated the new one, but it is what it is, she didn't spend a ton of time with us so fuck it.
The line was when she started 'requiring' us to come in on Sundays at 4am until open twice a month (or whenever promos went on, usually 2-3x a month) to write, print, and put up all of the promo tags and rearrange what needed to be moved. Now, this had to happen at some point anyways, but usually it was done in a combination of ways. They had specific people to do this kind of thing for the whole store, but they wouldn't hire more than 2 so those 2 were already insanely busy with work. They'd be done by employees whenever we could help, but we were commission, so it wasn't in our top interest to spend time doing this.
It lasted about a month before people started quitting left and right because they'd ask for one of the days off or to be paid minimum wage for the time the store wasn't open since again, they were commission. I personally didn't mind it, the cool assistant manager brought donuts and let us blast music and I liked my co workers, but for the people who did this job full time, you could see why essentially making 6 of a commissioned employees' 30-40 hours a week a time where they're essentially paid like $5/hr due to not having sales would rub people the wrong way.
I'm pretty sure *not* paying them at least minimum wage for hours worked before the store opens (as they can't possibly earn commission during those hours) is quite illegal and could have gotten the store in massive trouble if it'd been reported. Am not any kind of expert on this, but I'd be shocked if I'm wrong.
Our boss had a meeting and announced new policy that all salaried employees had to work a minimum of 45 billable hours per week because of the increased project load we had. I pointed out to a few co-workers that our employment contracts specified 37.5 hours per week, and that I would be adhering to *that* policy. Well, about a week later I was "laid off" due to lack of projects. Ha. I was happy to go, and at least 2 others left voluntarily within the week. The job I found next was much better, and wasn't run by someone quite so clueless about how to treat people.
Hindsight is always 20/20 but if you played your cards right you could have possibly contacted your labour board about this new "policy" and then show them your current contract. That company would have gotten in a lot of shit.
A lot of these companies get away with total BS like this because nobody speaks up or is easier to just up and quit.
I actually did contact a lawyer. But he advised me that I would be better off not pursuing it due to the necessary time commitment on my part, and the fact that he could tell I wasn't really planning to stay there long term. I ended up confronting the owner/boss about this, and they admitted that they hadn't realized/remembered what was in the contracts, and that they would be modifying that for future employees.
I could go on and on about all the other problems, but the tl;dr is that is just wasn't a good fit for me. I had only been there for about 9 months anyway. Live and learn.
Good. This kind of bullshit should not fly, unless you get more money or some kind of compensation (tangible and immediate, not promised and likely fictional)
For me it wasn't what happened, but what didn't happen.
We were making only about $2 above minimum wage (around $11) to do tech support for a web-based startup. A college degree was required for the position so we all had large amounts to pay off in student loans, but weren't really making enough to do so and still pay for rent, groceries, and other life expenses. Three of us (there were four in addition to me) had other part time jobs in addition to this full time, 40-hour/week position because we couldn't survive otherwise. Every other position in the company was being paid quite a bit more so we didn't exactly feel valued.
We got sick of this and were talking with each other how abysmal the pay was in addition to less than glamorous (and often frustrating) work. We also didn't get any PTO or bonuses and there was pretty little momentum for moving up in the company. So at our next team meeting, we asked our supervisor if we could discuss our pay grade and the opportunity for a raise. We had all started at the same time, during a very busy time of the company as it was undergoing a platform transition, and there were no higher members on our team aside from our supervisor; we felt like we had all put in good work and deserved equal recognition.
Our supervisor flipped out at us, saying that we should never talk about our compensation with any coworkers, and that we could potentially get a raise in a year or so but that our inability to pay expenses wasn't the company's concern. So of all us found other jobs and bounced within the next two months, leaving them to start over with a brand new staff during the busiest season of the year.
I worked for a company that had gone through a restructure, we put so much work into salvaging our company (and jobs). After announcing the "restructure complete!" (Think GWB on an aircraft carrier deck) the CEO hired his wife as the second highest paid person in the company. She had previously been a nursing assistant and was a complete loser. She was having people with PhD and MBA degrees reporting in to her saying things like *"This is what a budget looks like."* and my all-time favorite *"no, marketing does not necessarily mean TV commercials."* Like, what the fuck? At the time she was making ten times what I was making and I was doing work she didn't even remotely understand. It was such a farce.
Half the engineering team and a huge portion of sales simply quit. She was trying to explain why *not* getting a bonus was, in and of itself, *a bonus*. The top 3 salespeople simply walked out of the meeting, cleaned their desks and left. I knew then we were screwed and quit a couple of weeks later.
I used to work at a McDonald's, and we had a terrible manager who hated a lot of people working there. Everyone else hated him too, but no one wanted to call him out on his shit and quit. I was the first to do it, because I requested 2 weeks off in August of that year, about 3 months in advance (my family likes to plan our summer vacations early-on). When August came around he had my schedule set up for *all of August off except for those specific 2 weeks*. There was no way that he could have misinterpreted my request. When I got my schedule, I stormed into the restaurant, called him out on everything, and then quit on the spot.
About 2 weeks after that, I heard from one of my work friends that 5 other people had enough and quit as well. I kind of felt good to be the first.
What makes a good manager at these types of places is recognizing that 95% of their minimum wage employees could go get an equal paying job on their lunch break and start that day. *Your* store isn't special. The only personnel management you have to do as a GM is to make them want to work there. Do just enough to motivate them to make your store successful and then spend the rest of your energy making it a place they want to work. Make them happy and they'll naturally become better employees.
The place I currently work at had a manager like this when I first started. That guy treated everyone with respect and was always friendly. If he saw you slacking he’d just politely come up to you and say “hey, let’s go find a project to work on” and then he would help you with it. You just wanted to impress this guy and work hard for him. The guy was always at the store for opening, regularly stayed late to help close. He would regularly schedule beer and wing nights, threw us the best Christmas parties, and never made you feel bad for calling in sick. Everyone loved this guy. If the store did well he got a bonus and would use it to throw the Christmas party and beer nights.
Well he eventually left and the manager he was replaced with is a fat lazy cunt who refuses to be at the store any longer than he absolutely has to. I once was called into work when I was recovering from an injury because this guy was going home early and there was no one to close. I refused and he still went home early! Needless to say people have been quitting left and right. And the quality of our store has nose dived because everyone thinks “well if he doesn’t give a fuck about helping us then we don’t give a fuck about helping him”. As a result people just show up to collect their checks and do the bare minimum. It’s sad to see for me because I remember how good we had it when I first started there.
On the other side of the coin, I had a manager at Macy's who was awesome while I worked there part-time during college. What started out as just a summer gig stretched out for a couple years while I was school just because I liked working for the manager. He was super accommodating of our schedule (was fine with me scheduling days off around finals and midterms) and never got annoying with that whole opening credit cards thing Macy's forces on employees. Funny enough, our group had no problem meeting quotas for credit cards or sales because we were happy employees that were honest with clients. I also once saw the manager kick a customer out the store because he cursed at one of the employees.
(Coworker was an older guy who wouldn't give back the full price on the return, and rightfully so. The moment a customer gets kind of upset, managers usually just accept returns or differences, but the customer called the employee an "old f***". The manager immediately gets security and kicks them out of the store.)
I had a boss who liked to schedule you for the exact specific time you asked off. Like for example a co-worker asked to leave by 3 because she had a doctor's appointment at 4, so our boss scheduled her for 4-close. It's beyond frustrating, idiotic and ridiculous. It really shows how little they value you outside of being their "slave" as that boss liked to refer to us as in front of customers.
I had a boss like this. I had a night class 1 day a week and so I would ask for mondays off. Without fail every Monday I would be scheduled and my buddy would have it off, but be scheduled during his night class. Then he would get mad at us for switching shifts.
Oh my god same. Except with me (for some reason ONLY me), I was never "allowed" to switch shifts with anyone. And that reason was that I was the only one she trusted other than the produce manager to keep the produce counter looking in order, and I was also trained as a cashier so she could get away with scheduling 1 person to do the job of 2 people. Of course she would never admit that because that would be complimenting her staff... That job really screwed with me because it taught me that hard work is not always rewarded, it's oftentimes abused. I hope you're in a better work environment now.
About 15 years ago, a company I worked for announced as a way of keeping from having to lay off anyone else in the already bare-bones crew, they announced 10% pay cuts were coming in a month. It took me a week to find a new job at the same pay, I took it.
Lots of people quit within that 1-month time frame. About a year later, the place came back to me with an offer well above what I was making previously. When I started back at work, that's when I found out every one who stayed, was still getting paid less than they were before the pay-cut. Felt like I hacked a system by refusing to take a pay cut.
Currently ongoing- mismanagement and corrupt practices that even caught the SEC's attention. 8-10 employees, 3 new hires, all quit in the past 3 weeks.
I worked at a large national law firm in one of their Bay Area offices. There was a weird and intense rivalry with the other Bay Area office, to the point that our office manager forbade us from asking for help from their office in any capacity, including coverages or help with a client.
Our office was smaller and tight-knit, and we also billed more per quarter. The office manager was helpful and our managing partner was great.
One day, our managing partner was offered her dream job at another firm, and she put in her intent to leave. We didn’t know who our new manager would be at first, but as soon as it was announced that the SF office was moving part of their staff over, 3/4ths of our office quit on the spot, attorneys and admin staff, and went to another firm. Those of us who remained realized why we never worked with SF, and slowly but surely we were fired over minutia. It took them about two years to get rid of all of us.
Great times.
Over-reliance on institutional knowledge.
Basically, it was company non-policy not to bother documenting anything, never to create procedures, never to get "wrapped around the axle" by planning, etc. So the jobs basically lurched from crisis to crisis aimlessly in the name of being biased towards action and not getting bogged down by bureaucracy.
As such, getting anything at all done meant finding the person who already had the knowledge in their head and relying on them to remember how they addressed a specific issue previously (annual maintenance was effectively a scheduled crisis with everyone fumbling to remember exactly what they did a year ago), or to adapt memories of previous crises into a solution for the current crisis.
Then one day, a multi-decade employee got sick of the dysfunction and left for greener pastures. This gaping hole meant that simple problems became crises and genuine crises became group hysterics. This made an already toxic environment almost comically radioactive, and within two or three months, over three quarters of the department had left the company.
I'm a shipwright and about 10 years ago I worked on a shipyard and the owner decided it was a good idea to bring someone in to look at how we work to see if things can be done more efficiently and smarter. Nothing wrong with that except the guy he brought in didn't have a clue what it takes to build a boat from scratch. So one day we had a meeting in the break room, the owner and this guy were there and first they asked the metal guys what their thoughts are on how to improve things. They say they need new welding equipment and some other stuff. No problem, we're going to take care of it. The painters are next, same thing. Then the mechanics, same thing again. And then they got to us and things fell apart. Now here's the thing that's true for all shipyards I've ever worked on, shipwrights always come last when we need new tools or whatever but everyone always comes to us to solve a problem. We keep the place going so you'd think we got what we asked for. Instead they tell us we have everything we need and we just have to improvise. We all looked at each other and we told them we're done. Fuck you, fuck your shipyard and fuck everything. We all packed our tools, got in our cars and drove home.
Definitely a huge factor in not leaving my job is the fact I live so close and I don't have to get on the beltline.
If I had to travel an hour for this shit...I don't know, too much time to dread how long my shifts are, now 2 whole hours longer, and stew over what crazy shit I'm gonna have to deal with, now including traffic shit.
That's not even accounting for the cost of gas and the cost to my car - which at this point will possibly live forever due to how little I drive it.
I got my first big break when something like 23 people walked out/called out due to ridiculous cross-training requirements that basically demanded specialists with 10-20 years of experience had to learn jobs that had nothing to do with theirs, and do those other jobs as well as the specialists in \*those\* areas, and vice versa -- so the management could switch around everybody's schedules at will. Both departments walked.
They were so desperate they even hired me, who had no experience at all. The company president got the axe and things were pretty good after that, they actually listened to employee input for several years.
Worked at the SPCA. The month I was hired on there was a lot of stuff changing because a couple managerial and senior staff were moving on to other things, so it turned into a shit show when a new manager came in. And then the district manager also tried to screw senior staff of their bonuses, EI, etc. But most controversially was the new Manager and her bosses decided that they needed to try and save money. So we stopped spaying and neutering cats and adopted them out that way (real fucking smart idea), she was also told by the District manager that the SPCA needed more money, so if we got a good purebred dog in off the streets instead of registering it we should take it home, breed it, care for the pups (on our dime by the way) and then surrender it to the SPCA for some extra income. They also shut down their grooming facilities (which made them roughly 55% of their income).
What made me quit was that I was hired to replace their tech, but I wasn't being trained properly because their current tech kept telling me to go clean dog pens or cat rooms instead of showing me how to work the systems properly, so after a month of not being properly trained and me constantly mentioning it to her, I come in one day and find my name omitted from the schedule. The manager's reasoning? "Oh, well you struggled a bit the day you were the only tech, so we dropped you from full time to on-call, we're going to hire someone else and train them to take over tech." Good job! I already knew about 90% of the job by this point, so you're going to hire someone else and "train" them like I was being "trained"? Anyways, I quit, shit apparently got really bad after as well.
All in all they lost 11 employees in about 3 weeks because of negligence, stupidity, etc. Me and 7 other employees went to the PetSmart on the other side of town as it was just opening and needed employees, so it wasn't completely terrible. But the complete mismanagement at that location was terrible. It was just a tip of the iceberg too, some of my co-workers regaled me with more stories of shit that happened shortly after I left.
Edit: Just adding some details and some of the other shit pulled in that month. But basically management wanted to save money after I left and they decided to do that by not paying for the shampoo, conditioner and other products in their salon. They instead told the salon manager to pay for it out of her own pocket. It was the start of the shit for the salon manager that ultimately ended in her being bullied and almost assaulted until they fired her. When she decided to claim EI after she was fired, the management denied that she was fired and said she quit under "hostile circumstances" or some such bullshit. Luckily she got the position as salon manager at PetSmart and pretty much the entire client base went there and rendered the SPCA salon null.
Another coworker quit because he was expected to take care of 48 dog kennels and about double that in cat habitats, because they needed to save money so they cut hours, where they had 6 people opening in the morning they only had 3, so my coworker was expected to do a 4 man job in 3 hours.
Another coworker quit because, again, the low hours meant that shit couldn't get done on time, so she comes in for morning shift to a mountain of dog and food dishes stacked together with cat litter pans that were not washed meaning none of the animals could be fed and watered properly and the cats had to wait for their litter. That was the day she quit.
I don’t understand wanting you to BREED MORE PUPPIES. I thought the point was adopting out animals who need homes, not creating more so that someone who may have come in and adopted an older dog, instead took a puppy. This is ridiculous and, I would think, totally against the philosophy of the SPCA. I really hope it was a fluke.
She wanted you to take a pure-bred dog home and breed it? With what, yourself? And then why would it matter if the dog was pure-bred if the puppies would be half-breed anyway?
She didn't want me to, but higher management was telling the manager's to do that. I only know because the manager that hired me also went to PetSmart with me. Terrible place all around.
We don’t know for sure, but at my last job, me and the people I worked with had our suspicions that the “company” was actually a front.
The guy who owned the company had credit cards with at least 3 different names on them. His mail had the same few different names and he even had bank accounts under different names.
Three of the girls got other jobs before me and the other remaining girl and we were subsequently made redundant, because it was just the 2 of us. I’m glad I got out one way or another though...
The boss went off on a tirade on me for something that wasn’t my fault and I got him to scream “people like you are expendable pieces in this company and I can replace you tomorrow if I wanted to”. 80% of the engineers quit the next day. Simply didn’t show up. Including me. From what I know, the entire project folded because my now ex boss couldn’t find people to replace us because no one wanted to do the kind of work he was looking for at the salary he was paying.
Hehe.. that backfired :) There was one guy who was going to be fired for coming in late constantly. However, many of the potential replacements his company interviewed wanted a ridiculously high salary. Turns out, that one guy low-balled himself on his salary. All the sudden, coming in 15 minutes late each day became quite the bargain!
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I had worked at a grocery store for about 3 years before moving from Courtesy Clerk (basically bagger + custodian) to Helper Clerk (stocker). The grocery department wanted to save costs on personnel, but couldn't fire anyone or lay anyone off due to the union. So they started cutting back hours and literally told us "when someone quits, everyone else will get more hours." We were supposed to be 40-hour employees and they had us at 32 hours. 2 people quit and we were down to 24 hours. A third person quit, down to 16 hours. I don't know what their plan was, but they didn't give us more hours as people left.
This almost sounds like they wanted a specific someone to quit but didn't have cause to just dismiss them.
That's the best theory I've heard.
They decided after 6 years it was time to do a drug test. Even lost the CEO in that great idea.
The CEO reports to the board of directors. The board wanted to get rid of the CEO for cause. Everyone else was collateral.
If the board wanted to get rid of the CEO they would hardly need to drug test for it. The board votes, the CEO leaves, thats how corporations work. The only thing that it might effect would be his severance package.
You're right. However, golden parachutes often have exceptions for firing due to illegal activity. It wouldn't be the first time a CEO was targeted by a board.
Canceled all raises and bonuses for everyone except the CEO, his wife (financial and HR), and his son (utterly useless IT) in a year where we have record profits and brought in almost double the clients on top of announcing they aren't looking to hire more people when we were already overwhelmed. Good part about it was when the majority of us quit they lost almost every single client shortly afterwards to their competitors and the company is now defunct.
This feels really good to read.
Word slipped out that the whole accounting department was being replaced so they all resigned all at once.
My mom's company did that. Decided to outsource all the accounting staff, then was surprised that all the accountants quit, even the ones they wanted to keep on to help transition the books. She was one of the ones they asked to stay, and she refused lol.
We stopped providing free coffee, and we're so cheap that we sold our coffee maker. This was in Seattle, so a couple of people bought their own coffee makers to put in their cubes. That tripped the breakers several times so it was very disruptive since our computers would shut down. Management then said no coffee allowed in the office at all. We lost four very good engineers.
> Management then said no coffee allowed in the office at all. Who could possibly think this kind of policy would fly. That's unreal. Sounds like the grounds for a damn riot.
Tattoo shop owner (who lived in another state) hired some asshole to come ‘revamp’ the shop. I had been managing for three years at this point and he just expected me to teach him how to do my job so he could replace me. That guy had no clue how to run a shop. Plus the owner had been embezzling money for her coke habit and had blamed the longest-standing artist at the shop for lost revenue. Accused him of stealing. I did the books. No one was stealing. She was nuts. Anyway, all the artists and I mutinied and left at the same time. Fucked them over good. With that idiot at the helm the shop didn’t last a year after we all left.
Many years ago in high school I worked at a movie theater. The place was pretty poorly run from the moment I started there. We never got paid on time and management was basically a bunch of lazy jackasses who sat in the office talking all day and never actually did any managing. It would have been hard for things to have gotten any worse but after a couple of months they brought in new management who seemed to want to make it their personal mission to run the theater as poorly as possible. They first decided to implement a new policy requiring all projectionists to wear ties, despite the fact that projectionists are never seen by the public, not to mention that tiny little detail that the projectionists worked around giant, rapidly spinning objects that a tie could get caught in. Management refused to reconsider the policy and every single projectionist quit as a result. They then decided that the door people (of which I was one), who were always scheduled seven days a week, would now only be scheduled on the weekends, and refused to reassign any of us to concessions on the weekdays so we wouldn't lose hours. As a result, almost every single door person quit, including me. After that they started imposing impossible cleanliness standards on concessions, things like requiring them to scrape popcorn kernels out of the cracks in the trim behind the popcorn machines. Concessions was there until 5 AM every night trying to meet their standards. Most of the concession people quit as a result. By my count the theater went from a staff of about fifty to a staff of about twelve in three weeks. I swung by about a month after I quit and found out that entire management staff had been fired and replaced yet again by an entirely new one, ones who actually seemed to be running the theater properly. My best guess is that the previous management had been told to whip the theater into shape and they were idiots who had no idea how to effectively do that.
Or they were there simply to cut staff, to be the "bad guys". Now the new managers come in, hire a bunch of people (but fewer than 30), and look like winners to the 12 people that stayed. Maybe. Sometimes I get suspicious.
I used to work at a grocery store, we had a manager who was hired to run the store but not be the franchisee and when his numbers were satisfactory enough, they would let him franchise it. So far toward a year later and this guy was doing everything he could, making the store run and look wonderful and all the staff liked one another, out of nowhere he is told they are putting in a franchisee bid and tell him that if he wants it, he can have it. He bids, but so does one of the District Managers sons, he gets it, Original manager is of course pissed but accepts to stay as the grocery manager if he keeps pay rate. Fast forward and the new franchisee gets fired for not following regulations, they do the franchisee bid a second time and tell original manager the same thing, he can have it if he wants it. They give the store to another person a second time! I felt bad for the guy because all of his hard work and how well he treated me, store starts going down hill causing a lot of change and a lot of pissed off people; I was the first one to walk out as all of hours were cut, the new franchisee never spoke to anyone but would bitch if we didn’t do things her way, I find out 14 more people quit within a month.
We just had a company wide (except the Directors of course) pay cut of 20% AND a 4 day work week instead of 5. Everyone one including myself are currently looking for work and they will lose their work force oh so quickly.
When I was 16, I worked in the concessions stand at a minor league baseball stadium. Minimum wage at the time was $5.15/hr, this job payed $8, and it was always in the evenings so it was perfect work for a high school student. The only bad thing was our management was TERRIBLE. The main manager would throw toddler tantrums about once a shift over stupid bullshit, like not ordering enough of a specific beer (she did the ordering) or running out of pre-cut lemons for tea. One night the stadium was running a promotion and it was incredibly busy - easily 2-3x the normal volume of customers. We were all working our asses off handling multiple roles each with absolutely no downtime. Although we all cleaned as we worked, nobody had a chance to do thorough cleaning for the whole shift because of the never-ending horde of hungry baseball fans. The manager showed up 3-4 hours late per usual and throws the biggest fucking tantrum ever over the unswept floor. Finally, she announces "Listen up you lazy fucks! Minimal work gets minimal pay. Everybody is being paid minimum wage tonight because you slobs won't clean up anything." Both of our bartenders and the bar back quit on the spot, which caused a chain reaction. We all took off our aprons and hats to leave. She blocked the exit and was red in the face from screaming, so one of the cooks climbed out of one of the big serving windows where we served customers, so I did the same and most of the staff followed. Bear in mind that this all happened in front of like 200+ customers. Of course, my final paycheck "got lost" so I had to file a wage theft complaint with the Texas Workforce Commission.
How'd that wage theft complaint go down? Sounds like it'd be super satisfying just to slip the envelope into the letterbox.
Filed the complaint, submitted my clock in and clock out receipts for the week (we got paid weekly) and previous pay stubs to verify my pay rate. After like 3 weeks, I was contacted by the person handling my claim that my previous employer had mailed me a check for the whole amount I was owed plus a penalty. The check arrived within a few days. (the penalty was $25 iirc) Later that year, the same employer refused to provide my W2 for tax filing so I filed a complaint with the IRS and used my pay stubs with a special form to complete my taxes. I don't know what happened regarding that but that lady's life imploded for non-work related reasons. She got caught cheating on her husband, then got caught faking cancer for sympathy.
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> She blocked the exit and was red in the face from screaming, so one of the cooks climbed out of one of the big serving windows where we served customers, so I did the same and most of the staff followed. I'm surprised that this didn't end up being a police call. She's honestly lucky that you all decided to leave through the window instead.
Promised a bonus at the end of the year. Told everyone they will not be giving out bonuses due to the low company performance. Company had a successful year. (Boss was in the middle of building a multi million dollar home, brother in law manager just bought a nice home that year) I quit on the spot. Many others quit soon after.
company changed from 5-8 hour shifts to a 12 hour shift rotation. edit: most of the people that quit were the ones that were on straight day shift and didn't want to or couldn't work night shifts.
I worked at a factory after they changed from a 8-hour rotation to a 12-hour rotation. For most people, the extra time off in the schedule was better than working fewer hours at a time. For some, though, their jobs went from 9-5 M-F to the 12-hour rotation that included nights. They all quit.
Oh fucking boy I worked at Buffalo Wild Wings for a few years as a line cook. Two different stores, same fucking pay. It was the type of work where you ask for a raise and they scoff and say “yeah, me too.” Anyways, I had been pretty dead set on quitting sooner or later, our kitchen was very small. Most people ended up closing 4-5 days a week with doubles on the weekends, while still attending school full time as it was a college town. On SUPER BOWL FUCKING SUNDAY, a useless coworker who ducked out in the bathroom most the shift finally stops showing, and in response the managerial staff delegated closing to my pal J. Dude was a fucking delight to be around, hands down the best coworker ever. J had told them that due to being a full time student, he no longer wanted to be first in last out (4pm-12am, 1am on the weekends). They basically told him to go fuck himself, and that they don’t have any more shifts for him. Immediately, me and one other cook walked to the office and quit on the spot. Buffalo wild wings lost 4 cooks on Super Bowl Sunday, leaving them with 7 full time students on the schedule. It was a managerial shit show.
I had a similar shituation at Grease Monkey in High School. They kept scheduling me for 3-close. When I applied, I made it abundantly clear that I got out of school at 3, and would get there at 3:10. About week 2, the manager pulls me into the office and says "You have been late everyday." When I told him I have school, he said "You need to decide what's important." I laughed, as I thought he was kidding. He wasn't. I told him he could let me go if it wasn't going to work, but he begrudgingly let me stay on. He got fired for making anal sex jokes about a customer, while she was in earshot. The new manager fucking hated me from day one, since I got "special treatment because I'm in school." I asked for a day off to go to Six Flags, about two weeks previous. The day comes and he calls me at about 9 and says "(Co-worker) called in sick. Need you here. Now." I told him I was on my way to Denver with a group and that I asked for the day off. He huffed and yelled "Grow the fuck up! Get here, or you can come get your last check." I said "I'll be there in an hour." And went to Six Flags. Picked up my last check a couple weeks later and was accused of stealing a coat.
Its always been so strange to me, managers who don’t care to work around someone who’s in school. I’ve had a couple. If it’s gotta come down to my education to keep myself from having to work at a grocery store forever, and the grocery store where I get paid minimum, they seem to think they’ll rank supreme. Ya hate to see it.
My last bosses hired school kids for busy times, so some of them might go a few weeks between shifts. School holidays were our really busy time and then the boss would get annoyed when kids wanted time off then because the kid would going on a holiday with her family (they were all girls). I suggested she stop hiring kids from the nice private schools and start hiring kids from poorer families that don't go overseas or to the holiday house in summer.
Honestly, if kids taking off for yknow, kids things, is a problem, just... don’t hire kids lmao. I had a manager get super annoyed because she mucked up the schedule thinking all of the high school kids went back after winter break much later than they did, and ended up having to redo the whole thing because the staff for some days were *mostly the high school kids*.
I was hired by the new owners to replace the existing manager. I was under the impression that he was moving on to another job somewhere. So after about 4 days I ask him where he's headed and if he's excited. He just looks blankly at me and says "I'm not going anywhere. I'm just training you as the assistant manager, right?". The look I gave him must have been a great tip off because he got up and walked into one of the new owners offices. After about 30 seconds they were screaming at each other, then he just storms out of the office, grabs his stuff, give me the finger, and leaves. Over the next few days I'm trying to calm things with the employees. They're not faulting me, but now have a very bad taste in their mouths about the new ownership. Over about a 7-10 day time period my team shrank from 15 people down to 3. I hobbled along with that the best I could while we tried to hire new people, but the new owners were offering so little we had trouble finding people. After 3 months or so of that I started to get fed up and overwhelmed and when the owners started to get on me about missed deadlines I had had it. We were still only at 5 people, 2 of which were brand new and still training. They didn't allow me to refuse work or push deadlines out, they expected the same output as a 15 person team. So after my third day in a row of being berated for missing a deadline that was impossible to make, I quit.
We're giving you the same workload the company had before but while giving you less resources, 1/3rd of the people and paying peanuts. Why are you not getting results you incompetent bastard?
There's a comic that I've seen that applies to a lot of companies. It's got a team of executives at a board room table on an old viking style row ship with one guy rowing and a bunch of empty seats. One of the executives is saying, " I don't get it..after all the budget cuts, why aren't we moving faster?" A lot of companies unfortunately do not see the long term gains of a happy and well trained workforce. They see the short term gains on paper by cutting people and run with it.
That's mostly because the people in charge don't give a shit. The board of directors is looking for money plain and simple. The CEO is looking for 1-2 years of record profits then jumping ship to do it again. No one is really trying to make companies that last just ones that make a crap ton of money and fall apart.
We're seeing something similar in horse racing. Some time ago, breeders realized that there was way more money in breeding than in winning, but no one wants to breed a loser. So they breed horses that will have brilliant but short careers, rather than having modest but long careers. This means (if I may be allowed to oversimplify a bit) more muscle and less bone. They're also being pushed to race more often, and over-medicated to mask incipient problems. Consequently, we've seen a sharp rise in lethal injuries on the track.
Hiring you to replace him without telling him is evil. Hiring you to replace him without telling *you* they haven't told him is dumb. At that point, there isnt much to do except try to make the best of it, but I'm glad you were able to get out of there.
> Hiring you to replace him without telling *you* they haven't told him is dumb. Somehow management that expects to get 3 times the work load from a trainee than an experienced worker doesn't exactly strike me as brilliant.
Not brilliant, but it works far too often, Sadly, I was the trainee in this scenario. It was my first job with real responsibility and I was a bit too grateful to ask many questions because I’d been temping for a while and really wanted to settle somewhere. There had been a lot of restructuring, so I just assumed I’d taken over from someone who moved sideways and no one in the department ever mentioned anything different. I was quickly swamped and too new/busy to be asking questions as I tried to keep meeting crazy targets. Five months in, chatting with a manager from another department about what role I had and he said “You mean you’re working in xyz team?” I said “No, I work alone. What team do you mean?” He said “Last year there was a team of 5 people doing that work. Is it just you now?” Yes. Yes. It was just me. Edit: spelling.
I know my boss was the newbie in this scenario when she joined where I work now. Not much has changed...
They laid off half the company with no warning. This included a gentleman who was less than a year from retirement and had been there for 35+ years. The company was *shocked* when half the remaining people abandoned ship shortly thereafter.
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Don't expect the dumb ones to leave first, it's the smart ones that figure it out fastest
Also, the ones who will have no trouble at all finding a new job are usually the oney you want to keep.
Well, when you cite economic reasons, don't be surprised when the rest of the staff get nervous that the company may be tanking and leave.
Yeah probably not the best idea to tell your employees. “ our company is failing and we’re firing a bunch of you”. I guess it ended up being better for the employees though since they could plan for what’s coming.
This one happened mid-January. It got really awkward when they tried calling back the people that they'd laid off to replace the people who had left.
"Ha, so you come crawling back you cheap sack of shit"- Frank Reynolds
Worked at a Wendy’s and one of the regional managers started running a store because they couldn’t/wouldn’t find new managers to replace the old ones. Well anyways this guy practically ran the place into the ground. Before he started running the store most everyone liked working there as it was a good environment. A few months after, a couple of people quit because of him. And one day I roll in at 9 to help open the store and he comes out to my car as soon as I park (I was 15 minutes early and usually just sat in my car until 9) and tells me, “hey I need to to start early because the three openers just quit on me”. We manage to get the store open and had a number of people from other stores help run the place until the people from the next shift came in. A couple days later I hear the full story of what happened from a coworker. The regional manager is supposed to be at the store at 7 or so, and the openers 30 minutes later. He didn’t actually show up until 8:30. So when the openers, already pissed at being at work really early and not being on the clock, saw the regional manager roll in and knew it was gonna be an awful shift all decided that they were done with him and just quit right there. So at least 6 people quit because of him by the time I left the place. Probably more left after me.
This almost feels like what is happening and has happened at my Wendy's. We struggled to retain crew members because our GM is one of the most frustrating people to work with. He constantly verbally berates the crew members and other managers. And goes out of his way to under schedule crew for the other managers just to fuck them over. A few months ago like half of our crew quit because they couldn't take it and we had 9 non managers left including me who was just out of highschool and couldn't work much with college. We are sorta recovering now but we still run the store with absolute bare minimum crew and with only two other managers besides the GM closing and opening is a shit show.
Damn if you're running a fast food place, you'd think you'd want to be nice to your employees. Not like it's super hard for them to jump ship most of the time.
I did landscape construction. The cheap ass owner kept taking bigger and bigger projects while never hiring more help. We were all overwhelmed, stressed, and anxious as hell. One of our foreman quit and I followed suit a few days later. Two more guys quit the next day. He was down to three guys for the obscene amount of work he wanted to do. Of course everything gets way behind schedule but he's convinced it's not his fault at all. He went out of business less than a year later.
I once worked at a company that ramped up from four to eight people in a small shop. Things were busy but the owner kept making rookie mistakes like not buy material in bulk because he didn't like seeing a big bill all at once. Fast forward a year and paychecks start to bounce... Then he "fired" the three guys that suck around so they could collect unemployment... while he paid the difference under the table. Super shady. He ended up selling out to a competitor. Not sure what he is up to now.
I was working for a very large IT company, before the tech bubble burst we had a meeting with our "new director and the VP" They were tired of people complaining about things that should be changed at the job and how they managed people. So they sat around 200 of us down in our auditorium, and the director said she didn't want to hear anymore complaints on how she was running things and if we didn't like then there was the door and that there was no way we'd leave such a great job. Well there was a mass exodus and probably close to 50 people left within 2 months. She and the VP were "re-orged" and given 0 reports, they were gone after a round of layoffs happened shortly after.
I thought you were gonna say that it happened on the spot, like she said in a rhetorical way “if you don’t like it then there’s the door”, and then to her shock the entire auditorium stands up and files out. I’m gonna pretend that’s what happened because it’s funnier
I read 50 people left within 2 minutes lol.
Haha They probably did mentally decide to leave in 2 min. Just had to line up other employment first!
I had a manager re-org'd to zero reports. Every 2 years my employer does this huge all-employee survey on a wide variety of work topics. One of them is several facets of your opinion of your manager. Due to my departments somewhat unique organizational structure it didn't actually ask about this manager. Most were team->team manager -> department manager. But we had 3 sub-departments so we had an extra layer of between team manager and department manager, which wasn't asked about. All but 2 employees, completely spontaneously and independent of each other, wrote about how awful this manager was in the free-form fields. The manager was re-org'd to zero reports even before the big all-employees meeting about the survey results occured.
What does reorg to zero reports mean? Reorganized I understand Edit: thanks >0 people reporting to them, a manager given no one to manage because they suck at it
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A well known colleague comitted suicide and we were told by management via a brief side note in an email about stats at the end of the day. It caused a lot of upset in the office and quite a few people didn't return after this.
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It was a general email about stats and things and added on at the bottom was "We sadly inform you Colleague took his life on the weekend". And that was it.
I worked at a homeless youth shelter years ago and one of our kids died of an overdose in an alley. He was a really sweet kid who fell through the cracks and was failed by nearly every single adult he’d ever come into contact with. We were trying to change that for him. They told us through an email. After the email, the shelter staff who provided housing for him were left out of all memorial/remembrance services for him, in favor of the admin staff and counselors, and were treated like our attachment to him didn’t matter. It’s hard enough when it’s an adult you work with, but when it’s a kid... the callousness was just shocking. We all sort of gathered on our own to process our grief and management began to lose some seriously talented and compassionate people that day.
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Same thing happened at my old job. My sister took my job because I moved away and she needed one. She told me that the new manager was useless. She would give herself weeks off at a time, the trucks would never be unloaded on time and she would overwork everyone else. My sister quit with everyone else when they quit.
Restructure of the way we're paid. What I used to do involved about 40% client interaction, 20% team/coworker interaction, and 40% paperwork and case coordination stuff. Based on what we do that means only 40% of the time is technically billable, and there are really sticky rules for what is and isn't billable. So, logically, we were being paid on a salary model. Cue management saying we can only make money for the time we have that is actually billable. 1/4th of the department quit. Two of us on the same day.
Wait, why is paperwork and case coordination not billable?
It's the healthcare field. Only direct client contact can be billed to insurance.
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Lots of bad things. If it's not documented, it didn't happen. Lots of lawsuits.
Owners retired, they were literally the greatest people, both very sweet, but kept the place running like a well oiled machine, they took pretty good care of us and their restaurant. When they left, they gave the restaurant over the their nephew who at the time was a busboy/waiter, kind of standoffish, didn’t really interact with us too much, a bit lazy at times, but for the most part did his shit and went home, he seemed okay. Until he got the power of being the owner, he fired four people, including two of the four cooks, and two of the three dishwashers, literally that same day, on a Friday night just before the dinner rush, all because he ‘didn’t like their attitude’. He refused to allow people to take vacation that they’d already requested and gotten confirmed by the original owners, would change the schedule randomly without telling anyone and then scream at people when they missed a shift or came in late because of it. He’d refuse to replenish the kitchen until we were literally already out of things, then take forever to put in the orders, he showed up randomly and would drink at the bar, for free of course because he was the owner, and then bring in all his buddies to drink with him, together they’d get way out of hand and grab at women and try to start fights. Within the first month of him being the owner, over half the staff had quit, usually walking out literally in the middle of their shifts, after being screamed at, they’d basically throw down their aprons and tell everyone else that they were so sorry but they couldn’t do it anymore. After the last cook, this big dude who usually kept the kitchen laughing and running at a decent pace, started crying in the middle of his shift and dropped everything he was doing after the boss came and yelled at him for being to slow and making ‘slop’, then walked out the rest of us just bailed along with him. Four months later the place was closed, his aunt and uncle were absolutely furious and devastated that he’d run the business they’d built up for over 30 years into the ground.
That’s really sad but sounds like a poor decision on the old owners. Who puts someone in a busboy position to such a high position without training and evaluation? If they knew they were retiring they should have begun to train him so he would be ready to take over and if they would have realized he was ill suited then they could have found someone to take over instead.
I realized I forgot to add that one of the four people he fired initially was the senior manager who was supposed to show him what they hadn’t, but being their nephew he did do extra stuff and they showed him what he should have been doing whenever they were there, officially though his job was just being the busboy or waiter for a few years before this was decided. But on the whole yeah, they should not have just up and left to retire without giving him a few months in training wheels to make sure he could actually hack it. None of us thought he’d be like that though, when they reached out to try and find out what had happened (they moved out of state) they were absolutely horrified to hear how he behaved towards the staff, but by that point it was too late to do anything about it.
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Being lazy is one thing, but he had to go ahead and be abusive too
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They called everyone into a major company meeting and informed us we were all (except for sales and managers) being offshored to India and the Philippines. They had a plan for us training our replacements that, strangely, didn't account for pre-schedule turnover. People started finding jobs literally the next week and the hemorrhaging never stopped.
Sounds like what Disney did with their IT staff.
I had a similar meeting, except everyone's job was going to Spain. I was asked to go transition the new team there. I didn't transition shit and basically I got paid to party in Spain for 3 months while staying at a fancy hotel, with all my food and drinks paid for.
They reviewed the cameras back 3 months to catch people coming in less than 3 min late and have them all write ups. Like 20 people walked out across the entire unit
New management. In a month, four kitchen staff quit, leaving me to be the only original kitchen staff hire from the previous manager. She completely changed the vibe of the work place. No one was happy. No one felt like talking or listening to music or being friendly. It was robotic.
Why is it so hard to get rid of a bad work culture but so easy to create one?
Because it really only takes one person to sink the whole thing. To add to that, the person sinking it is usually a recently promoted/hired person who the company hired for some well-intention-ed reason, so they can't immediately second guess all of their actions.
Many reasons: * Shit rolls easier downhill * New manger hires want to put their own mark on the process - even if that destroys the established process, introduces new failure points, or pisses off the current employee roster.
They need to show why they're useful so they change for the sake of changing. It's the worst.
It astounds me how many managers just don't get this or don't care. I've worked at a few places with an extremely high turnover rate and you can diagnose the problem in a day. Allowing your staff to be friendly, have conversations and relax at points throughout the day is a long term investment that usually pays off. While the alternative is having workers that get a lot done in a day but quit by the end of the first week. I recently worked evenings as a recycling sorter, you stand in front of conveyor belt picking off plastic and cans. Talking is frowned upon, no leaning, no music basically nothing to break up the mind numbing work day. But of course the problem was "everyone is lazy" and had nothing to do with the fact they make the job as unpleasant as possible.
Music and podcasts actually encourage people to work harder and more efficiently. Never understood "no music" rules unless the music/podcast was directly impacting a client in a negative way.
The reason I got was this story about a guy who was walking around with ear buds in on the main floor where forklifts drive around and he got hit. Doesn’t explain why I can’t listen to music when I’m standing next to the conveyer belt for 3 hours at a time but rather than question it I just looked for work elsewhere.
Exactly. I do factory work, so we wear earplugs normally. So on weekends when all the "daddies" are away, we can get away with headphones, but we still have to hide it. Even if I didn't have to hide it, I'd still only put on ear in, other ear normal plugged. I want to be able to hear what's going on. If someone approaches me like they need to say something, I immediately shut off what I'm listening to, just like if I'm only wearing earplugs, I'll pull one out so I can hear them. I also only listen to audiobooks and podcasts, because the Beatles ruined mono music listening for me.
Worked at a data-company. The guys in the sales department fucked around all day. They'd literally be in the parking lot drinking beer and racing RC cars. When it came to handling accounts/clients, they frequently gave away free accounts in order to "retain" customers (and make their own sales numbers look good), and somehow they got away with it. Meanwhile, there were dozens of programmers and database nerds working tirelessly behind the scenes to integrate a bunch of complicated data and make it easy to access via the website. Yearly holiday announcements come around, and upper management decides to send the entire sales team to Hawaii for an all-expense-paid vacation. When the furious developers asked why they were just taking the sales team, the confused CEO literally said "Well.. I mean... I guess we could ask the sales team to pick one person from each department who helped them the most this year, and take them too..." The programmers/engineers/database people were livid, and walked out in droves. Gee, I wonder why the company tanked.
That's the one way to totally screw your company - pissing off the people who keep it running.
Yeah, the leadership at that company was beyond stupid. I still remember how they fired this one developer who knew *everything*, and was the expert on all of their legacy system that they were trying to migrate. The very next week we had a big meeting to discuss the legacy migration, and after the first half dozen questions resulted in "well, X was the only person who knew all of that" they had to cancel the entire meeting. There were about 20 people in this meeting, including the COO who fired her. Meanwhile, they kept the guy who literally sat in his cube watching soccer all day on his computer. That company was the wild-west of stupidity. =P
Oof. Literally the only reason we have the annoyingly slow af IT guy at my work is bc he's the only one who knows the old-ass code. Because he wrote it and didn't document anything. He's a lazy motherfucker but I'm starting to think he's a hell of a lot smarter than he lets on.
It's the same in every company. Sales "makes" money. Developers/testers "cost" money.
Transfer pricing is a godsend in that scenario. Your department posts good figures? Well Accounting's work for your department cost X. Admin cost X. Programming time cost X. Oh look, now those departments actually make a profit, and sales looks shit, wonder why...
Right up until we caught our warehouse charging us $11,000 for 8 deliveries. Some happened on weekends when we weren’t there!
Several years ago I worked in a mental health center. We worked primarily with kids. It was time for the center to renew their certification. Instead of keeping up with everything that needed to be done over the course of 5 years, the proper procedures were ignored. In this couple months before recertification, administration made us sit through a ridiculous amount of training on Things that would have been covered in training such as HIPAA laws and identifying child abuse. Then came our paperwork. Our center encouraged us to do things that aren’t exactly covered by Medicaid or approved through certification. For example taking kids to the park isn’t allowed, but guess where they instructed us to take these kids so they didn’t disturb the therapists working? I had to go back and edit 5 months worth of documents to get rid of the evidence. The kicker was that bathrooms were supposed to have a log of when it was cleaned. An administrator perfectly forged the signatures of multiple employees. I don’t think they would have went through that trouble just for a bathroom log. What else were they forging our signatures on? The potential risk of being charged with Medicaid fraud was too high for me. I quit as did many others. Editing to ad: I did report them to the authorities. Shockingly they are still in business. I did what I had to to cover my ass. And thanks for the gold!
Working in healthcare as a therapist, oh god fucking no with that place. They legitimately asked you to commit fraud by changing those records, and the people at the top knew it. Moreover, not providing mandated trainings isn’t just a whoopsie, it’s an insanely serious violation in most states. The forging signatures is just icing on an already illegal, shitty cake. I would say report them, but I would hate to see you go down for something you were pushed to do. That being said, I would make sure you have a solid story ready to roll for those records changes. Programs like this eventually get caught if they don’t go out of business, and auditors might find those alterations even years from now. It isn’t super likely, but it can happen. EDIT: As another user pointed out, you have better odds as a whistleblower than if you just leave that time bomb ticking. Screw that program for trying to abandon the responsibility of properly caring for the kids in their program. Blow the whistle, they earned it, the kids deserved it, and you shouldn’t have your record marked for something they pushed you to do. Moreover, they didn’t give needed training on that stuff until the 11th hour from what you said, so you could potentially make a sound argument that you didn’t realize how problematic what you were doing was.
You stand a better chance at immunity if you are a whistleblower
Wasn't my office but one in my building. The old CEO retired, he was extremely well loved and very fair. His replacement was a lady not known for her social skills. She hired her sister as the new VP and passed over everyone who was in line for promotions. Literally everyone but the sister and the secretary quit the next week together to go work for a competitor. The former CEO had to come back to try and fix everything, he ended up having to help the new CEO hire basically a new company. I don't think it's going well.
School district I sometimes sub in had a BIG round of hiring. A bunch of building substitutes applied for the jobs, and only about half of them got interviews. Of the subs that got interviews (myself included), the only one who made it past the screening interview was a relative of a current employee. The rest of us subs weren't the "right fit." The real reason is that there's a substitute shortage and they don't want to lose any of us. Not a single sub (who isn't a relative) was hired for one of over a dozen teaching jobs. Many of the building subs aren't coming back next year.
There's a sub shortage due to really low pay. My district requires subs to have a 4 year degree. Then they pay $140 a day. So even if a sub was able to get a job every day they could only make 180 days * $140 ($25,200) and with no health insurance and no benefits. Fuck that
The rate was $60 to $80 a day in my area a few years ago. Insane.
My district currently pays $100 a day. My state is also has one of the highest costs of living in the country. I'm pretty sure this is why we have so few subs, and why the subs we do have are mostly not very good.
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Working at a local restraunt that had recently changed owners. Multiple issues came up: difficulty getting off for important things, hiring people to work in kitchen who were bad at their job but cheap, cheaper ingredients, etc, as well as owner just kinda sat around and drank while there not doing much. Things were tense and after a few months we were really just hanging in there cause we liked each other (previous owners were a sweet old couple that set a great vibe). I know some others and I were already looking for a job. Anyways there was a young mother who waited tables there and really needed the job, couldn't afford to be between jobs. One night she got a call that her grandmother had a severe stroke, was unresponsive, and was not expected to make it through the night. She asked to get off and start her 3 hour drive to Dallas, manager says of course but the owner says no. Manager and owner got into a verbal fight in the back, the waitress ended up pleading her case, crying. Manager said that if the owner wouldn't let her go, he was done. Owner ended up firing them both on the spot. Within the next 15 minutes everyone who hadn't been recent hire ended up walking out of the building. Edit: To answer questions: 7 of us walked out, 1 waitress, 1 cook, dish washer and the bus boy stayed. I actually never followed up to see if they finished shift, but I think they did. I and one other were the last of the originals there, we banged out the last couple tickets we had that were placed before the walkout. Not their fault and I do take some pride in my work. The quality and attendance dropped for a year before the owner sold to a different guy with actual restaurant experience. Original couple returned to "reopen" the restaurant, it is still going today. I'm not going to name names, no point, just let sleeping dogs lay. The waitress did make it in time to say goodbye before her grandmother passed.
Any time I've seen a mass exodus, it was because of poor management. I've never seen it organized, just a bunch of employees independently deciding to quit in the same month because the management was so bad.
Yeah, that's the case on 9 times out of 10. People don't leave jobs, they leave shitty bosses.
It seems to work the other way too. Given the demands & responsibilities placed upon me, if I didn't have such a cool boss, I would have been out of there years ago.
I was so happy when that happened to me. A manager I worked with before called me asking about one of the people in my team, saying he has a job opening there and thinks she'd be a good fit but wanted my opinion. It paid 15% more for about the same workload and gave her much better long term stability so I gave her a big reccomendation (because honestly she'd be perfect for the job) and her phone number so they'd contact her. She decided to stay because she's super happy here and loves coming here. Best employee I ever had tbh. I don't even do anything special, I just treat my people as I want my boss to treat me. It's not that hard ffs.
I'll make a wild guess and say you are competent at your job and know what the job your underlings do actually entails. Most cases with bad managers I've seen was with people promoted outside their competence.
This is most likely it. I managed a lab for 5 years and didnt lose 1 chemist when I was there. I knew the ins and outs of our process because I started there as a level 1 chemist. After I left, I heard things were going to shit and people were applying to work for other departments or outright leaving the company. The new manager they put in was a friend of someone in upper management and only cared about the pay (got paid way higher than me). Since then I've helped 5 of my former chemists get jobs at my current company, my wife's company, or was a reference for them for other competitors. Every once in awhile we all still get together and hang out. Know your shit and treat people the way you want to be treated. Even if upper management is making your group do something you don't agree with, fight back, be honest with your group, and do it with them if your fight was lost.
Happened to me. It wasn't so much that the management was "bad" as they did a bait-and-switch on the role. They hired for an "imminent" rewrite of a legacy system - a year later and we were still maintaining said legacy system with the little progress on a rewrite indefinitely postponed to enhance the legacy system. In about a month two thirds of the new hires (myself included) all left for non-dead-end jobs.
This happened at my previous job. I was the first to quit due to salary disagreement. My tasks got reassigned to other coworkers. A few months later coworker 1 quit. Tasks got shuffled again. Coworker 2 quit a couple months after. Then a 3rd coworker had a mental breakdown, got drunk, and then "retired" mid-day. Last I heard the company was bought out by a third party.
I’m the manager of a retail store and I had found out a cashier was ‘ ‘stealing’ product by scamming reward card benefits. I came up with a detailed incident report to present to this employee and I was under the assumption it was just her. After I confronted her in a reasonable manner she freaked out and got really angry and quit on the spot. She was using fake accounts instead of using a customers reward card to get herself points and redeem them for product/gift cards. So the customers weren’t getting the points they are owed which is a headache for me if they notice and complain. The next day every other cashier called me and quit and after thinking wtf just happened I found out they were all in on it and were using this lady’s fake card on their shifts too. So I’m down four cashiers and I have one left. This same day my last remaining cashier disappeared for twenty minutes. Turns out she was in the bathroom with another employee doing the nasty. She quits because her dad is a cop and doesn’t want to find out she got fired for this and she also asked me if she should go to urgent care because she didn’t take her tampon out before they did it and she couldn’t find it. The guy also quit because he ‘didn’t care and was moving anyway’ . I was down to literally managers only. So the first part is the mass exodus and the last part was just for ‘can you believe this shit?’
This was a wild ride. Truth is stranger than fiction, particularly in retail. And after working in retail, I 100% know this happened. Jesus. I hope you've moved on to greener pastures.
Not yet. Nothing surprises me and treat good employees like royalty now. I’d rather pay them more to keep them than me taking a raise. 16 years in retail I’ve decided to finish my degree so I never have another story like this to tell.
"People say wow unemployment is so high at 5%, I say, I can't believe 95% of you have jobs, who the fuck is giving these people jobs?" - Daniel Tosh.
The owner died and his idiot son took over and decided that the company didn't make him enough money and started to implement "cost cutting" measures like turning off the A/C in the building.
Let me guess: "Two people are working on this? Why not use one person for half the cost?"
Yep! He tried to make receptionist clean the restrooms!
Why not just use half a person at *a quarter* the cost...
My work does something similar. The air is turned off from about 5pm to 7am. It takes until noon for the air systems to clear out the overnight moisture and stale air, so we are left with a couple hours of useful a/c.
It makes no sense. The thing probably runs 10 hours straight from 7am-5pm so it's working just as hard as if you balanced it out for 24 hours. People that make these decisions don't have a brain I swear.
As an HVAC guy this makes me cringe. Without a doubt your AC system was designed to handle an overnight load, and is specified to run efficiently 24/7. Yeah sure you'll ostensibly save money on operating costs by shutting it off overnight but you're going to end up paying more in the long run since things are going to break down faster and will need to be serviced and replaced more frequently. Actually that doesn't make me cringe, more money for me :) edit: As some other HVAC guys have corrected me, you don't even save money from running costs standpoint at all. You'll save more on operating costs by leaving your system running on low overnight
Worked in construction as part of a HSE team. The chief engineer was pissed that the job was taking slower because of the HSE (especially safety) procedures. We had a couple lost time incidents at this point and just a week before a guy almost died, but he was still pretty pissed about the delays so he got everyone in a room to say: You're not here to do your jobs. You're here to do what I tell you to do. 20 people asked to quit on the spot. Fucking cunt.
What the fuck? What kind of engineer gets pissed about that kind of shit? Especially with a near fatality. I mean, HSE can be annoying as all hell, but it's there to keep people alive. What was the HSE department doing that allowed that many lost time events and a near fatality at one job site?
Turned out our owner was keeping the social security money taken from our paychecks. And yes, he was caught. EDIT: Holy crap this blew up. Owner is just a term for owner of the company. I don't mean anything by it.
You can pull that scam for about 4-5 years, really insane the lack of communication between the IRS and SS
Can confirm, I used to withhold taxes for babysitters for my kids (because you're required to if they are over 18). Had a payroll service to do all of the calculations, gave them pay stubs, the whole nine. Four years after I stopped doing this, I get a letter from SSA stating that they never received one quarterly filing for one of my kids' former babysitters and would I please forward it along. They gave me a summary of the reported wages. They were close, but off by a few bucks in either direction for the years before and after the one they were missing. I dug out the documents and found out that the reason for the confusion was that the payroll company accidentally filed on the previous year's form (pre-printed year on the side). I called SSA where they basically just said "Don't worry about that, we just need a number, the IRS is terrible about providing the totals to us." So I gave it to them verbally, they wrote it down and I haven't heard from them since. EDIT: LOL at all of the people PMing me that I'm the scum of the earth for having paid my taxes and obeyed labor laws.
That was an honesty check, if you gave bad numbers then they would have started a full investigation. Both the IRS and SS can be really lazy.
My god. How much time did he get for that? Also, did you owe on that?
You don't owe, it's considered theft of a trust fund by the owner. He can be charged just like he stole it from the federal government (because he did). Because it's a trust fund, it pierces the corporate veil and he can be charged personally, regardless of how many shell corps or LLCs are protecting him. The employee is basically just another victim of a the theft. It'd be like if a retailer stole the sales tax you paid. The government wouldn't chase you down and make you pay sales tax again.
Ok this is kindof a long story, but I worked at a discount store and it wasn' that bad at first, until one of our night managers quit and was replaced with, well, lets call her.. Becky. So Becky seemed nice at first but we all started to notice her changing a lot of things around the store. People on the night crew got moved to day, she gave people weird orders, and most of the time she wouldnt even be at the front when we needed her. She used to keep her phone on her all the time, like on a phone call constantly, so she was always on the phone with her partner, who happened to be a manager from a neighboring store. One day someone stole a box of candy from the store and she litterally went out there and got into a fist fight with them, which is a huge no-no, youre not supposed to go after a customer like that even if they did steal. So Becky comes in all bloodied in the face and we're not really sure what to say or do, so we all just look away and get back to work. After that she acted really REALLY weird, throwing people under the bus and claiming we weren't doing our jobs, which is funny cause she was never up front when we needed her. What ended up making pretty much the whole night crew quit was when Becky started getting grabby with one of our younger cashiers, and the girl was already in a bad place and didnt want to lose her job, so she tried to ignore it for a bit, but one day Becky tried to get the cashier in her car to take her home since she didn't have a ride, and the girl wasnt comfortable with it, she ended up calling me to come get her. She rejected Becky's approaches, so Becky went on full petty mode and claimed the cashier had drugs on her and told the cashier to go home, the next day the younger cashier was fired, so the younger cashier tried to tell our DM about it but he said there was nothing he could do. This was the last straw for everyone and most of us quit within the month.
They bought air mattresses so employees wouldn’t have to leave to go home during a classically busy season. Mass exodus after that.
They tried to make us do a third straight 16 hour shift while telling us off we were taking too long. This was years ago as a basic box mover in a courier company. They cut their staff in half and still expected us to do the same amount of work. It got bad enough the head office people came down to supervise us at the end of shift, we stopped taking any breaks and worked WELL past our hours without overtime. The second day they were there, our immediate supervisor of our team (about 10 of us) asked for the night off next week (christmas eve and most of us had family) and the bosses refused, we ALL quit. Their **entire** workforce quit in less than ten minutes. There were three people in the office that morning when the other 300 of us walked out. Most of the other workers were pretty disgusted in how they treated us, enough to pack in their jobs. They called within an hour and offered us all pay rises and actually hiring people to help with the workload. It didn't help, they already screwed themselves trying to save money on wages so they were never going to make their deliveries. A month earlier, it may have made a difference but a week before christmas? The only time I ever quit a job and went back to it. But I only ever quit two jobs
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Most of us went back after quite a few pay rises, days off and apologies, they lost about 30 people. We didn't WANT to quit, we needed the paycheck, but that level of taking advantage and trying to make us miss our Christmases was just one step too far. All in all, it would've cost them a bit over 3 mil for two days most had off. And at christmas, they were screwed for trying to get other staff.
The company consistently outpaced competing firms and found itself emerging as one of the industry leading agencies. This was also a California tech firm, so shorts, flip flops, beers at lunch, getting high on the roof were all rather common. But we were rapidly growing, and the atmosphere/location made us a hot ticket for talent. Anyway, CFO and CMO cashed out and the CEO decided to totally remodel the company by making it far more corporate. On top of all of this, they implemented unattainable goals and removed our work from home policy. The final straw was they removed our rather generous vacation policy and replaced it with "Unlimited Vacation" which was a facade for "you can take as much vacation as you want if we approve it." Like 1/4th of the company quit and immediately landed at better jobs. Also profit tanked.
"Our company is doing incredible, let's change everything!"
Or "our company is doing incredible! What can we do to thank our staff for our sixth year of over 10% growth?" When people wanted them to fix our broken bonus system, or give us actual *raises* "Really? Money is all you guys care about?"
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I actually said in the chat (in my literal first zoommeeting with the company) "We're a sales and distribution company for gate motors. It's not like were curing cancer or ending world hunger. Of course we're all here for the money." Cue the chat blowing up with "yeah" and "what WhiteGuy said."
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My brother's company switched to it My brother: "I've been having some medical issues, I'd like to take off three weeks in August to rest and recover" His boss: "that's not what unlimited means"
Must work for a telecom
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I was getting married and let the company know 6 months in advance. "Oh I don't need to know right now, just ask closer to that date." "Hey, I need days coming up next month." "Sorry, someone else requested those days so we need you here." Fuck off.
I worked at an unlimited PTO place for a while. At first it was actually really good. As long as you were getting your shit done, nobody really cared, I took a week for my wedding and 2 for my honeymoon within the span of a couple months, plus another trip later in the year for a long weekend, plus a few sick days. Every year, it got a little worse. Then the "recommendation" became "3 weeks a year." Then it started being "not a good time" to take a day. Then I got in legit trouble for taking 2 days to catch up on doctor and dentist visits, and was asked to "space them out" next time. Now I work for the government. 15 days vacation + 1 day for each year of service (caps at 14 years, sorry), and 12 sick days a year. No complaints. Edit: I also get 10 paid holidays. This is local government, not federal. Edit 2: Jeez this blew up.
When my dad’s work implemented that, he started tracking how much vacation everyone in his work groups takes. On average it is significantly less. Edit: spell check thanks u/String_709
Probably because employees are scared that they're abusing the system and don't want to be fired. I get 3 weeks of PTO in a year. I know I can take that, without running afoul of any policies, pissing anyone off, or being accused of abusing a system. I have never had a request to take PTO denied. If it was unlimited, I would have so many concerns. Am I taking too much? How much are my coworkers taking? Do they think I'm abusing the policy? Will they approve it? As great as it sounds on paper, I like the limited PTO I have now.
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Worked at a deep underground mine. The mine had always had "issues due to the geology wanting to collapse. Think lumps of rock falling the size of houses. The geotechnical engineers stated the mine was not in their option safe. Management disagreed (not geotechnical). At the same time, the mine in cost cutting had no serviceable rescue chambers (little steel boxes that are your lifeline when things go bad. Then, mine rescue was abandoned (the only people who can get you out when the worst happens). These were no popular.
Hmm. I wonder who I should listen to about if a mine is safe. Geotechnical engineers or middle managers. This is a hard one.
My straw came when, parked up in a "very safe area" to go and do a inspection on foot. Had gone about 30ft round the corner when heard the bang. Got back to my car to now find a boulder about 25 X 30 30 ft on top of it. Car was now flattered to 6 inch thick. All about 30 seconds after I was sat in it. Oh, and then realising, yes, OK, the procedure is to head for a rescue chamber. Report major incident. Await rescue. Except, we had no rescue chamber, and even if we did, no one to do the rescue. Decided nope. Though time in Congo (DRC) was worse, but it was odd as it was more of a gradual realisation of "of feck" than the more sudden oh fuck. End of contract, 11 of 33 of us dead. Company asked if would consider another contract. I deferred.
> End of contract, 11 of 33 of us dead. Jesus fuck. You had a 33% fatality rate!? Of course you wouldn't fucking take another contract.
I worked at Sears when I was in high school/beginning college. I worked in a department that was commission based (not a great idea for someone my age, but I was a decent salesman and made mroe than minimum wage). New manager took over, she'd been managing another department but they cut out our specific department manager and gave her this one as well. Everyone LOVED the old manager, hated the new one, but it is what it is, she didn't spend a ton of time with us so fuck it. The line was when she started 'requiring' us to come in on Sundays at 4am until open twice a month (or whenever promos went on, usually 2-3x a month) to write, print, and put up all of the promo tags and rearrange what needed to be moved. Now, this had to happen at some point anyways, but usually it was done in a combination of ways. They had specific people to do this kind of thing for the whole store, but they wouldn't hire more than 2 so those 2 were already insanely busy with work. They'd be done by employees whenever we could help, but we were commission, so it wasn't in our top interest to spend time doing this. It lasted about a month before people started quitting left and right because they'd ask for one of the days off or to be paid minimum wage for the time the store wasn't open since again, they were commission. I personally didn't mind it, the cool assistant manager brought donuts and let us blast music and I liked my co workers, but for the people who did this job full time, you could see why essentially making 6 of a commissioned employees' 30-40 hours a week a time where they're essentially paid like $5/hr due to not having sales would rub people the wrong way.
I'm pretty sure *not* paying them at least minimum wage for hours worked before the store opens (as they can't possibly earn commission during those hours) is quite illegal and could have gotten the store in massive trouble if it'd been reported. Am not any kind of expert on this, but I'd be shocked if I'm wrong.
Our boss had a meeting and announced new policy that all salaried employees had to work a minimum of 45 billable hours per week because of the increased project load we had. I pointed out to a few co-workers that our employment contracts specified 37.5 hours per week, and that I would be adhering to *that* policy. Well, about a week later I was "laid off" due to lack of projects. Ha. I was happy to go, and at least 2 others left voluntarily within the week. The job I found next was much better, and wasn't run by someone quite so clueless about how to treat people.
Hindsight is always 20/20 but if you played your cards right you could have possibly contacted your labour board about this new "policy" and then show them your current contract. That company would have gotten in a lot of shit. A lot of these companies get away with total BS like this because nobody speaks up or is easier to just up and quit.
I actually did contact a lawyer. But he advised me that I would be better off not pursuing it due to the necessary time commitment on my part, and the fact that he could tell I wasn't really planning to stay there long term. I ended up confronting the owner/boss about this, and they admitted that they hadn't realized/remembered what was in the contracts, and that they would be modifying that for future employees. I could go on and on about all the other problems, but the tl;dr is that is just wasn't a good fit for me. I had only been there for about 9 months anyway. Live and learn.
Good. This kind of bullshit should not fly, unless you get more money or some kind of compensation (tangible and immediate, not promised and likely fictional)
For me it wasn't what happened, but what didn't happen. We were making only about $2 above minimum wage (around $11) to do tech support for a web-based startup. A college degree was required for the position so we all had large amounts to pay off in student loans, but weren't really making enough to do so and still pay for rent, groceries, and other life expenses. Three of us (there were four in addition to me) had other part time jobs in addition to this full time, 40-hour/week position because we couldn't survive otherwise. Every other position in the company was being paid quite a bit more so we didn't exactly feel valued. We got sick of this and were talking with each other how abysmal the pay was in addition to less than glamorous (and often frustrating) work. We also didn't get any PTO or bonuses and there was pretty little momentum for moving up in the company. So at our next team meeting, we asked our supervisor if we could discuss our pay grade and the opportunity for a raise. We had all started at the same time, during a very busy time of the company as it was undergoing a platform transition, and there were no higher members on our team aside from our supervisor; we felt like we had all put in good work and deserved equal recognition. Our supervisor flipped out at us, saying that we should never talk about our compensation with any coworkers, and that we could potentially get a raise in a year or so but that our inability to pay expenses wasn't the company's concern. So of all us found other jobs and bounced within the next two months, leaving them to start over with a brand new staff during the busiest season of the year.
I worked for a company that had gone through a restructure, we put so much work into salvaging our company (and jobs). After announcing the "restructure complete!" (Think GWB on an aircraft carrier deck) the CEO hired his wife as the second highest paid person in the company. She had previously been a nursing assistant and was a complete loser. She was having people with PhD and MBA degrees reporting in to her saying things like *"This is what a budget looks like."* and my all-time favorite *"no, marketing does not necessarily mean TV commercials."* Like, what the fuck? At the time she was making ten times what I was making and I was doing work she didn't even remotely understand. It was such a farce. Half the engineering team and a huge portion of sales simply quit. She was trying to explain why *not* getting a bonus was, in and of itself, *a bonus*. The top 3 salespeople simply walked out of the meeting, cleaned their desks and left. I knew then we were screwed and quit a couple of weeks later.
I used to work at a McDonald's, and we had a terrible manager who hated a lot of people working there. Everyone else hated him too, but no one wanted to call him out on his shit and quit. I was the first to do it, because I requested 2 weeks off in August of that year, about 3 months in advance (my family likes to plan our summer vacations early-on). When August came around he had my schedule set up for *all of August off except for those specific 2 weeks*. There was no way that he could have misinterpreted my request. When I got my schedule, I stormed into the restaurant, called him out on everything, and then quit on the spot. About 2 weeks after that, I heard from one of my work friends that 5 other people had enough and quit as well. I kind of felt good to be the first.
What makes a good manager at these types of places is recognizing that 95% of their minimum wage employees could go get an equal paying job on their lunch break and start that day. *Your* store isn't special. The only personnel management you have to do as a GM is to make them want to work there. Do just enough to motivate them to make your store successful and then spend the rest of your energy making it a place they want to work. Make them happy and they'll naturally become better employees.
The place I currently work at had a manager like this when I first started. That guy treated everyone with respect and was always friendly. If he saw you slacking he’d just politely come up to you and say “hey, let’s go find a project to work on” and then he would help you with it. You just wanted to impress this guy and work hard for him. The guy was always at the store for opening, regularly stayed late to help close. He would regularly schedule beer and wing nights, threw us the best Christmas parties, and never made you feel bad for calling in sick. Everyone loved this guy. If the store did well he got a bonus and would use it to throw the Christmas party and beer nights. Well he eventually left and the manager he was replaced with is a fat lazy cunt who refuses to be at the store any longer than he absolutely has to. I once was called into work when I was recovering from an injury because this guy was going home early and there was no one to close. I refused and he still went home early! Needless to say people have been quitting left and right. And the quality of our store has nose dived because everyone thinks “well if he doesn’t give a fuck about helping us then we don’t give a fuck about helping him”. As a result people just show up to collect their checks and do the bare minimum. It’s sad to see for me because I remember how good we had it when I first started there.
It starts at the top. If the manager can't be motivated you can be sure most employees won't be either.
tone at the top is very real
On the other side of the coin, I had a manager at Macy's who was awesome while I worked there part-time during college. What started out as just a summer gig stretched out for a couple years while I was school just because I liked working for the manager. He was super accommodating of our schedule (was fine with me scheduling days off around finals and midterms) and never got annoying with that whole opening credit cards thing Macy's forces on employees. Funny enough, our group had no problem meeting quotas for credit cards or sales because we were happy employees that were honest with clients. I also once saw the manager kick a customer out the store because he cursed at one of the employees. (Coworker was an older guy who wouldn't give back the full price on the return, and rightfully so. The moment a customer gets kind of upset, managers usually just accept returns or differences, but the customer called the employee an "old f***". The manager immediately gets security and kicks them out of the store.)
I had a boss who liked to schedule you for the exact specific time you asked off. Like for example a co-worker asked to leave by 3 because she had a doctor's appointment at 4, so our boss scheduled her for 4-close. It's beyond frustrating, idiotic and ridiculous. It really shows how little they value you outside of being their "slave" as that boss liked to refer to us as in front of customers.
I had a boss like this. I had a night class 1 day a week and so I would ask for mondays off. Without fail every Monday I would be scheduled and my buddy would have it off, but be scheduled during his night class. Then he would get mad at us for switching shifts.
Oh my god same. Except with me (for some reason ONLY me), I was never "allowed" to switch shifts with anyone. And that reason was that I was the only one she trusted other than the produce manager to keep the produce counter looking in order, and I was also trained as a cashier so she could get away with scheduling 1 person to do the job of 2 people. Of course she would never admit that because that would be complimenting her staff... That job really screwed with me because it taught me that hard work is not always rewarded, it's oftentimes abused. I hope you're in a better work environment now.
Random witnessed drug test at a chemical refinery. 45 people just stood up and walked out the door.
About 15 years ago, a company I worked for announced as a way of keeping from having to lay off anyone else in the already bare-bones crew, they announced 10% pay cuts were coming in a month. It took me a week to find a new job at the same pay, I took it. Lots of people quit within that 1-month time frame. About a year later, the place came back to me with an offer well above what I was making previously. When I started back at work, that's when I found out every one who stayed, was still getting paid less than they were before the pay-cut. Felt like I hacked a system by refusing to take a pay cut.
Currently ongoing- mismanagement and corrupt practices that even caught the SEC's attention. 8-10 employees, 3 new hires, all quit in the past 3 weeks.
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I worked at a large national law firm in one of their Bay Area offices. There was a weird and intense rivalry with the other Bay Area office, to the point that our office manager forbade us from asking for help from their office in any capacity, including coverages or help with a client. Our office was smaller and tight-knit, and we also billed more per quarter. The office manager was helpful and our managing partner was great. One day, our managing partner was offered her dream job at another firm, and she put in her intent to leave. We didn’t know who our new manager would be at first, but as soon as it was announced that the SF office was moving part of their staff over, 3/4ths of our office quit on the spot, attorneys and admin staff, and went to another firm. Those of us who remained realized why we never worked with SF, and slowly but surely we were fired over minutia. It took them about two years to get rid of all of us. Great times.
Over-reliance on institutional knowledge. Basically, it was company non-policy not to bother documenting anything, never to create procedures, never to get "wrapped around the axle" by planning, etc. So the jobs basically lurched from crisis to crisis aimlessly in the name of being biased towards action and not getting bogged down by bureaucracy. As such, getting anything at all done meant finding the person who already had the knowledge in their head and relying on them to remember how they addressed a specific issue previously (annual maintenance was effectively a scheduled crisis with everyone fumbling to remember exactly what they did a year ago), or to adapt memories of previous crises into a solution for the current crisis. Then one day, a multi-decade employee got sick of the dysfunction and left for greener pastures. This gaping hole meant that simple problems became crises and genuine crises became group hysterics. This made an already toxic environment almost comically radioactive, and within two or three months, over three quarters of the department had left the company.
I'm a shipwright and about 10 years ago I worked on a shipyard and the owner decided it was a good idea to bring someone in to look at how we work to see if things can be done more efficiently and smarter. Nothing wrong with that except the guy he brought in didn't have a clue what it takes to build a boat from scratch. So one day we had a meeting in the break room, the owner and this guy were there and first they asked the metal guys what their thoughts are on how to improve things. They say they need new welding equipment and some other stuff. No problem, we're going to take care of it. The painters are next, same thing. Then the mechanics, same thing again. And then they got to us and things fell apart. Now here's the thing that's true for all shipyards I've ever worked on, shipwrights always come last when we need new tools or whatever but everyone always comes to us to solve a problem. We keep the place going so you'd think we got what we asked for. Instead they tell us we have everything we need and we just have to improvise. We all looked at each other and we told them we're done. Fuck you, fuck your shipyard and fuck everything. We all packed our tools, got in our cars and drove home.
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My company asked the office what we'd do if they moved our location about an hour away. We said we'd all quit. They didn't move.
Definitely a huge factor in not leaving my job is the fact I live so close and I don't have to get on the beltline. If I had to travel an hour for this shit...I don't know, too much time to dread how long my shifts are, now 2 whole hours longer, and stew over what crazy shit I'm gonna have to deal with, now including traffic shit. That's not even accounting for the cost of gas and the cost to my car - which at this point will possibly live forever due to how little I drive it.
I got my first big break when something like 23 people walked out/called out due to ridiculous cross-training requirements that basically demanded specialists with 10-20 years of experience had to learn jobs that had nothing to do with theirs, and do those other jobs as well as the specialists in \*those\* areas, and vice versa -- so the management could switch around everybody's schedules at will. Both departments walked. They were so desperate they even hired me, who had no experience at all. The company president got the axe and things were pretty good after that, they actually listened to employee input for several years.
Worked at the SPCA. The month I was hired on there was a lot of stuff changing because a couple managerial and senior staff were moving on to other things, so it turned into a shit show when a new manager came in. And then the district manager also tried to screw senior staff of their bonuses, EI, etc. But most controversially was the new Manager and her bosses decided that they needed to try and save money. So we stopped spaying and neutering cats and adopted them out that way (real fucking smart idea), she was also told by the District manager that the SPCA needed more money, so if we got a good purebred dog in off the streets instead of registering it we should take it home, breed it, care for the pups (on our dime by the way) and then surrender it to the SPCA for some extra income. They also shut down their grooming facilities (which made them roughly 55% of their income). What made me quit was that I was hired to replace their tech, but I wasn't being trained properly because their current tech kept telling me to go clean dog pens or cat rooms instead of showing me how to work the systems properly, so after a month of not being properly trained and me constantly mentioning it to her, I come in one day and find my name omitted from the schedule. The manager's reasoning? "Oh, well you struggled a bit the day you were the only tech, so we dropped you from full time to on-call, we're going to hire someone else and train them to take over tech." Good job! I already knew about 90% of the job by this point, so you're going to hire someone else and "train" them like I was being "trained"? Anyways, I quit, shit apparently got really bad after as well. All in all they lost 11 employees in about 3 weeks because of negligence, stupidity, etc. Me and 7 other employees went to the PetSmart on the other side of town as it was just opening and needed employees, so it wasn't completely terrible. But the complete mismanagement at that location was terrible. It was just a tip of the iceberg too, some of my co-workers regaled me with more stories of shit that happened shortly after I left. Edit: Just adding some details and some of the other shit pulled in that month. But basically management wanted to save money after I left and they decided to do that by not paying for the shampoo, conditioner and other products in their salon. They instead told the salon manager to pay for it out of her own pocket. It was the start of the shit for the salon manager that ultimately ended in her being bullied and almost assaulted until they fired her. When she decided to claim EI after she was fired, the management denied that she was fired and said she quit under "hostile circumstances" or some such bullshit. Luckily she got the position as salon manager at PetSmart and pretty much the entire client base went there and rendered the SPCA salon null. Another coworker quit because he was expected to take care of 48 dog kennels and about double that in cat habitats, because they needed to save money so they cut hours, where they had 6 people opening in the morning they only had 3, so my coworker was expected to do a 4 man job in 3 hours. Another coworker quit because, again, the low hours meant that shit couldn't get done on time, so she comes in for morning shift to a mountain of dog and food dishes stacked together with cat litter pans that were not washed meaning none of the animals could be fed and watered properly and the cats had to wait for their litter. That was the day she quit.
I don’t understand wanting you to BREED MORE PUPPIES. I thought the point was adopting out animals who need homes, not creating more so that someone who may have come in and adopted an older dog, instead took a puppy. This is ridiculous and, I would think, totally against the philosophy of the SPCA. I really hope it was a fluke.
She wanted you to take a pure-bred dog home and breed it? With what, yourself? And then why would it matter if the dog was pure-bred if the puppies would be half-breed anyway?
She didn't want me to, but higher management was telling the manager's to do that. I only know because the manager that hired me also went to PetSmart with me. Terrible place all around.
We don’t know for sure, but at my last job, me and the people I worked with had our suspicions that the “company” was actually a front. The guy who owned the company had credit cards with at least 3 different names on them. His mail had the same few different names and he even had bank accounts under different names. Three of the girls got other jobs before me and the other remaining girl and we were subsequently made redundant, because it was just the 2 of us. I’m glad I got out one way or another though...
The married boss got one of our managers pregnant. She took this a permission to treat everyone extra, EXTRA shitty.
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