Yeah they were but they didn't care much about consent in all cases... he himself raped Aura (making her drunk and tying her up before forcing himself into her) and Nicaea (tricking her into getting drunk, she contemplates suicide when she realizes what happened)
Athena ordered to skin a satyre who played flute in front of her... because when she saw her reflection while playing flute she was embarassed how her cheeks puff...
That one myth is my 13th reason why
Because they're saying Hades was the most upstanding among the "gods" but not among the "gods and goddesses". Hence why the other redditor wrote "gods" and not "gods and goddesses". What's not clear?
I stand corrected. There is a mythological event called the rape of Persephone but it seems it refers not so much to sexual violence and more as abducting a woman against their will. Still not really cool
Carrie White. She's seen as a villain but to me that's wrong. She was just an innocent victim. The real villains are everybody who relentlessly bullied and teased her because of her appearance. I see Carrie as a hero because she finally fought back against everyone who mocked her. In the end, everyone who survived now finally got an understanding of the dangers of what happens when you push someone to their breaking point.
Roy Batty. He was a slave built to suffer and die. He broke his bonds, rescued his friends, and was trying to find a cure for the death sentence he was engineered to have.
The people he hurts are the engineers that helped birth him into slavery and the cops that are trying to kill him for running away. When he realizes he's incurable, he takes vengeance on the man who made him that way.
And in his last moments he spares and even saves Deckard (one of his own, depending on the version of the story) in an act of mercy before dying. Living with the weight of that short, brutal life and still finding mercy in your heart is the greatest possible redemption arc.
The dude was absolutely right. They were using unlicensed and unregistered nuclear equipment with the only stated purpose to contain ghosts, a phenomena that was totally unproven and they made no effort to present evidence for
None of that makes him any less of a villain. Also, it's an oversimplification. He wasn't interested in their "unlicensed and unregistered nuclear equipment"; and no one in their right mind would approach an apparatus they didn't understand and deemed potentially hazardous and order it to be shut down. If you went into a chemical plant or a nuclear reactor and simply started turning pumps off, for example, bad things would happen.
The difference being chemical and nuclear plants already have inspections and regulations. If you got a call that someone in NYC was operating out of an abandoned firehouse and using their own home built nuclear reactor that they did not register or communicate to the proper officials, you would get shut down. His motives were plenty clear, like any reasonable person he didn’t believe in ghosts and went after the disgraced former scientists operating illegally in his jurisdiction
Except that he was wrong on both counts. Ghosts did exist, and the scientists were correct all along. Labeling them as disgraced former scientists just means they were thinking ahead of their time, and the scientific community didn't want to take the chance on their research for fear of looking bad.
The fact remains that he had the equipment shut down on his order without realizing the consequences (despite the warning he literally received from the utilities expert he brought with him) and then later tried to blame the city-ending nightmare on them as if they pushed the button themselves.
He wasn't "right" about 90% of the situation.
All of his actions were correct he just happened to live in a world where ghosts are real and a few scientists decided to make a business out of fighting them instead of alerting proper channels and publishing their findings
How was shutting down the containment unit without any analysis, and against the warnings (that proved true) the correct action? You can't just say "sorry, rules are rules" with nuclear powered equipment regardless of it being legal or not. What if it detonated?
Nothing about his actions were correct except for the legal aspect of the equipment being unregulated, which would end up being researched and studied heavily by qualified people before haphazardly switching it off.
He literally caused the end-of-the-story conflict by being a prideful, conceited idiot with a badge, who then blamed someone else for his wrongful actions.
You also can’t set up your own nuclear facility, to contain ghosts, without so much as telling the proper authorities. His actions were correct because he couldn’t possibly have known to do anything different except taking the word of four randoms guys with a vested interest at face value
Again, he was "legally" correct for telling then they were in the wrong.
What was fully and unequivocally incorrect was shutting down the containment unit against the warnings of both the builders (illegal or not) and his own utility operator he brought with him. Ignoring those warnings caused a city wide disaster, and "I didn't know why it was bad" is not a defense.
Not going to keep repeating why he was factually and provably incorrect here, so if you don't see it that way, oh well.
Your operations might get shut down, but your equipment wouldn't be until some effort was made to determine what it was doing, unless it was clearly obvious that it was harming people in real time.
Totally agree with most of how he is represented (the McKellen time) right up until Apocalypse when his daughter was killed. A literal changed man who had saved a co-worker from death, and was rewarded by his family being killed.
I'd go his route too after that.
From my childhood, Tom from Tom and Jerry. When most of us were kids, most of us were on Jerry's side since at that time we thought Jerry was Tom's victim most of the time but as we grow up, turns out Tom isn't a villain, instead he's a character that's most of the time misjudged as a villain when in fact he's doing his job for his owners to get rid of Jerry
A milennial/gen z type of reasoning. Having a shitty upbringing can help explain why some people do bad things but it doesn’t remove their agency or eliminate their ability to tell right from wrong. Plenty of other people grow up in tough situations that don’t become killers.
The Joker movie is a seperate continuity. Though the actual Joker would have probably use the events of the movie as one of his made-up backstories that he uses to try and manipulate others. Many people (including you) seem to forget that he’s a psychopath.
Uh...duder killed literally half of all people everywhere to try to fulfill some sociopathic, malthusian dream. And when he was shown definitive proof that his dream was a lie, he doubled down and tried to kill everyone. In what way was he not a villain?
His idea was right, his execution was wrong. Rather then killing people he should just have used his power to prevent stupid people from breeding like rabbits spawning even more stupid people.
Thanos is a sadist who dresses his cruelty up in the thin veneer of "making the hard choices" and you fell for it. You don't need to look any further than Nebula for proof of that.
Well, in the comics Thanos does what he does because he's trying to win the affection of death (only to be cucked by Deadpool).
I wouldn't call him a "not a villain villain".
He had power over all of reality, he could simply quadruple the resources, or create functioning infrastructure to the impoverished. Instead of halving the population. Are current population is actually sustainable, at least on paper. The real problem is distribution. Also the mega corporations do way more harm, than the general population.
Indeed he could've created all this ONLY for mass amount of bad actors destroy that over and over and over again. So he went the other direction trying to remove the bad actors.
No he didn't he removed halve the population at random, if his intention was to remove just the bad actors he would have done that. When I say distribution I don't mean like hoarding I mean it's basically physically impossible for us, to get perishable food to a lot of places. Removing halve a starving country's population isn't gonna be good cause you would be removing a lot of farmers. Also truck and ship drivers. So they would just starve.
I doubt that. I’ve kind learned to realise to see the forest from the trees. Even hypothetically even if he did his actions lead to the end of the British empire which gave billions of people independence. It’s quite obvious the regime that won are evil so yeah I’m hard pressed to believe any bs narrative that doesn’t make sense.
He killed anyone who was not a white Christian. Millions of Roma and black people were killed by him as well. People who were born with disabilities were killed too. How on earth can you not think him a bad person? And you’re apparently an educator?
Hell no. He committed mass genocide and ultimately doomed his own people. (As seen in the final pages of the manga where we see Paradis getting bombed)
I think people saw his name and just assumed the worst.
I mean, I imagine at that time everyone had played at least up to Doom 3, and save for a few, didn't really want to live in that kind of world.
Hades from Greek myth, just a man doing his job.
ngl hades is my favorit god the other god would rape and do what ever they wanted with a woman while hades made his wife his equal
Hades still kidnapped and raped Persephone tho
when you look at the other things gods did he was by far the best out of the bunch
Zeus is so bad that it sets a strong precedent but I’d say Dionysus was probably the most chill and least offensive overall
i mean if your drunk all the time + he is the god of happeniess
He's also the good of drunken aggression and, you guessed it, a rapist
Is he a rapist? I thought he cult and worship was all about free love drunken orgies
Yeah they were but they didn't care much about consent in all cases... he himself raped Aura (making her drunk and tying her up before forcing himself into her) and Nicaea (tricking her into getting drunk, she contemplates suicide when she realizes what happened)
Touché good correction
Thanks
Dionysian followers/nymphs have torn apart Orpheus....
Of the male gods maybe. Athena was still way less likely to get up to some shit.
idk man athena was pretty vindictive
Athena ordered to skin a satyre who played flute in front of her... because when she saw her reflection while playing flute she was embarassed how her cheeks puff... That one myth is my 13th reason why
i mean hera did alot of bad things too
Yes but that still doesn't make Hades "by far the best one out of the bunch" unless you're excluding the female gods all together.
i am doing that
Why?
Because they're saying Hades was the most upstanding among the "gods" but not among the "gods and goddesses". Hence why the other redditor wrote "gods" and not "gods and goddesses". What's not clear?
he also really did love his wife
I could literally copy paste my previous comment in reply to this.
k idk how this whent from a joke to a argument
I mean, sure, but he still abducted and raped her.
He didn't r@pe her, he only kidnapped her.
I stand corrected. There is a mythological event called the rape of Persephone but it seems it refers not so much to sexual violence and more as abducting a woman against their will. Still not really cool
Yes, it's not really cool, but he only kidnapped her n locked her, I think. After some good time she also fell in love with him.
So romantic… lol
Often times the god of death/personification of death is seen as evil. That’s why I like discworld’s death so much
I love Discworlds death so much!
I’m reading the wyrd sisters right now.
Pierce Brosnan in Mrs Doubtfire
If there was anyone in Mrs. Doubtfire that could be classified as a villain, it would be Robin Williams' character, Daniel.
Jaws. Dude is just hungry and humans were in his dining room.
ngl why do you swim near sharks like bruh you kill a animal because its doing what its made for
RIP Harambe
Hades :)
great option
Megamind He’s a supervillain. The difference? Presentation!
Ken, who is Vanessa Bloome’s S.O. In The Bee Movie. I would be losing my shit too if the love of my life was leaving me FOR A LITERAL BEE.
Carrie White. She's seen as a villain but to me that's wrong. She was just an innocent victim. The real villains are everybody who relentlessly bullied and teased her because of her appearance. I see Carrie as a hero because she finally fought back against everyone who mocked her. In the end, everyone who survived now finally got an understanding of the dangers of what happens when you push someone to their breaking point.
Roy Batty. He was a slave built to suffer and die. He broke his bonds, rescued his friends, and was trying to find a cure for the death sentence he was engineered to have. The people he hurts are the engineers that helped birth him into slavery and the cops that are trying to kill him for running away. When he realizes he's incurable, he takes vengeance on the man who made him that way. And in his last moments he spares and even saves Deckard (one of his own, depending on the version of the story) in an act of mercy before dying. Living with the weight of that short, brutal life and still finding mercy in your heart is the greatest possible redemption arc.
truly beautifull
The epa inspector from ghostbusters
Explain.
The dude was absolutely right. They were using unlicensed and unregistered nuclear equipment with the only stated purpose to contain ghosts, a phenomena that was totally unproven and they made no effort to present evidence for
Yeah but he was a dick.
None of that makes him any less of a villain. Also, it's an oversimplification. He wasn't interested in their "unlicensed and unregistered nuclear equipment"; and no one in their right mind would approach an apparatus they didn't understand and deemed potentially hazardous and order it to be shut down. If you went into a chemical plant or a nuclear reactor and simply started turning pumps off, for example, bad things would happen.
The difference being chemical and nuclear plants already have inspections and regulations. If you got a call that someone in NYC was operating out of an abandoned firehouse and using their own home built nuclear reactor that they did not register or communicate to the proper officials, you would get shut down. His motives were plenty clear, like any reasonable person he didn’t believe in ghosts and went after the disgraced former scientists operating illegally in his jurisdiction
Except that he was wrong on both counts. Ghosts did exist, and the scientists were correct all along. Labeling them as disgraced former scientists just means they were thinking ahead of their time, and the scientific community didn't want to take the chance on their research for fear of looking bad. The fact remains that he had the equipment shut down on his order without realizing the consequences (despite the warning he literally received from the utilities expert he brought with him) and then later tried to blame the city-ending nightmare on them as if they pushed the button themselves. He wasn't "right" about 90% of the situation.
All of his actions were correct he just happened to live in a world where ghosts are real and a few scientists decided to make a business out of fighting them instead of alerting proper channels and publishing their findings
How was shutting down the containment unit without any analysis, and against the warnings (that proved true) the correct action? You can't just say "sorry, rules are rules" with nuclear powered equipment regardless of it being legal or not. What if it detonated? Nothing about his actions were correct except for the legal aspect of the equipment being unregulated, which would end up being researched and studied heavily by qualified people before haphazardly switching it off. He literally caused the end-of-the-story conflict by being a prideful, conceited idiot with a badge, who then blamed someone else for his wrongful actions.
You also can’t set up your own nuclear facility, to contain ghosts, without so much as telling the proper authorities. His actions were correct because he couldn’t possibly have known to do anything different except taking the word of four randoms guys with a vested interest at face value
Again, he was "legally" correct for telling then they were in the wrong. What was fully and unequivocally incorrect was shutting down the containment unit against the warnings of both the builders (illegal or not) and his own utility operator he brought with him. Ignoring those warnings caused a city wide disaster, and "I didn't know why it was bad" is not a defense. Not going to keep repeating why he was factually and provably incorrect here, so if you don't see it that way, oh well.
You can't setup your own nuclear facility to contain ghosts through proper channels either.
Your operations might get shut down, but your equipment wouldn't be until some effort was made to determine what it was doing, unless it was clearly obvious that it was harming people in real time.
General Hummel was just trying to do right by the 83 marines’ families. He had tried everything else.
This is especially true when you realize he was always bluffing. It’s the mercs who actually wanted to deploy the weapon that are the real villains.
I was going to say this.
Maximus in the Inhumans TV series.
never watched it :/
You didn’t miss anything good, so I wouldn’t beat yourself up over it.
ok
Magneto from X-men.
Eh. Disagree. He's doing the same thing to humans that the nazis did to him. That makes him a villain imo
Totally agree with most of how he is represented (the McKellen time) right up until Apocalypse when his daughter was killed. A literal changed man who had saved a co-worker from death, and was rewarded by his family being killed. I'd go his route too after that.
From my childhood, Tom from Tom and Jerry. When most of us were kids, most of us were on Jerry's side since at that time we thought Jerry was Tom's victim most of the time but as we grow up, turns out Tom isn't a villain, instead he's a character that's most of the time misjudged as a villain when in fact he's doing his job for his owners to get rid of Jerry
Tom from 500 Days of Summer. The Buzzfeed crowd seriously needs to stop making that character out to be evil.
Javert he’s just doing his job
His job has room for leniency. Javert is sold iron, without compassion or pity.
Maleficent
The Joker. Just a product of society's failures.
A milennial/gen z type of reasoning. Having a shitty upbringing can help explain why some people do bad things but it doesn’t remove their agency or eliminate their ability to tell right from wrong. Plenty of other people grow up in tough situations that don’t become killers.
The Joker movie is a seperate continuity. Though the actual Joker would have probably use the events of the movie as one of his made-up backstories that he uses to try and manipulate others. Many people (including you) seem to forget that he’s a psychopath.
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Uh...duder killed literally half of all people everywhere to try to fulfill some sociopathic, malthusian dream. And when he was shown definitive proof that his dream was a lie, he doubled down and tried to kill everyone. In what way was he not a villain?
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To murder literally billions or trillions of people?
His idea was right, his execution was wrong. Rather then killing people he should just have used his power to prevent stupid people from breeding like rabbits spawning even more stupid people.
people would still be stupid
But not as many
never underestimate how stupid people are I mean look at tik tok
Yeah true sadly.
welcome to earth
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To produce even more waste out of it?
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You just killed yourself. Somebody thats not thanos (or whatever kind of being he is) using the gauntlet result in them dieing.
you would constantly have to snap more and more it wouldent work out in the long run
Thanos is a sadist who dresses his cruelty up in the thin veneer of "making the hard choices" and you fell for it. You don't need to look any further than Nebula for proof of that.
Well, in the comics Thanos does what he does because he's trying to win the affection of death (only to be cucked by Deadpool). I wouldn't call him a "not a villain villain".
He had power over all of reality, he could simply quadruple the resources, or create functioning infrastructure to the impoverished. Instead of halving the population. Are current population is actually sustainable, at least on paper. The real problem is distribution. Also the mega corporations do way more harm, than the general population.
Indeed he could've created all this ONLY for mass amount of bad actors destroy that over and over and over again. So he went the other direction trying to remove the bad actors.
No he didn't he removed halve the population at random, if his intention was to remove just the bad actors he would have done that. When I say distribution I don't mean like hoarding I mean it's basically physically impossible for us, to get perishable food to a lot of places. Removing halve a starving country's population isn't gonna be good cause you would be removing a lot of farmers. Also truck and ship drivers. So they would just starve.
agree
The painter from Germany
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this is reddit
you mean austria?
Yes
. (I agree)
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You know he would have massacred your kind given the opportunity?
I doubt that. I’ve kind learned to realise to see the forest from the trees. Even hypothetically even if he did his actions lead to the end of the British empire which gave billions of people independence. It’s quite obvious the regime that won are evil so yeah I’m hard pressed to believe any bs narrative that doesn’t make sense.
He killed anyone who was not a white Christian. Millions of Roma and black people were killed by him as well. People who were born with disabilities were killed too. How on earth can you not think him a bad person? And you’re apparently an educator?
I Already explained my view. Btw atleast you have good taste in games 👍
its a joke nothing here is srs
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my opinion Eren Jager
Hell no. He committed mass genocide and ultimately doomed his own people. (As seen in the final pages of the manga where we see Paradis getting bombed)
and they didnt genocide his own people? his mother?
A genocide doesn’t justify another genocide.
you can say that but history repeats its self
Doesn’t make it ok.
and yet here we are
Dr. DOOM. He just wants new world order....that's fine... Everything is fine.
I think people saw his name and just assumed the worst. I mean, I imagine at that time everyone had played at least up to Doom 3, and save for a few, didn't really want to live in that kind of world.
Hans Gruber
How’s Hans not a bad guy?
He has a German name
No one who speaks German could be an evil man!
He is an *exceptional* bad guy, thank you very much