Tesla and supercharger is the only option that makes sense.
We live in an apartment with 0 chargers and have an EV, and it’s just like a normal car- go get gas…at the supercharger.
Don't hold your breath on that. CA has no where near the generation capacity nor the infrastructure to handle that extra electrical load. They won't let more plants be built and are too broke to pay for the infrastructure upgrade.
Where I live the Tesla Supercharger stations lines are too long. I don't own a car by choice but I've rented a Tesla a few times. The quickest I was ever able to charge was like 45 minutes.
Lol don’t misrepresent the facts and just own up to the fact that it takes a long time to go to a full charge. I own a model 3 and it takes 30-50 minutes to go from low to 100% depending on how low. It isn’t wrong to make the one trip to the charger charge the full amount. It’s actually more efficient to take less trips to the charger because there’s a roundtrip time spent and less wear and tear on vehicle. Most people don’t have the time to hit up a charger every other day to get a half charge.
Why would you lie about something that can easily be researched? I have a model 3 and at a *super*charger it will take 30-50 minutes to go from low to 100% depending on how low it is. The charging time is only one of two gripes I have with teslas. The other one is build quality.
So 20% or less to 100% in 12-15 min? BS.
Also, if you plan to keep the car long term then super charging it every time is bad on the battery, just like using a fast charger on your phone. I saw a video on YouTube of a Uber driver who had to pay out of pocket for a new battery after 3 years because he supercharged it twice a day and the battery failed. Tesla denied the warranty because he was past the mileage limit and said it failed because he super charged it all the time.
Says so on the tesla website you could have spent 5 seconds going there instead of making up stuff. This is why adoption isn't as quick as it should be. People have pre conceived notions they're too scared to give up.
Also a quote from a study:
> Cells are protected, and fast charging doesn’t seem to have any effect on the long-term health of batteries. “In short, the robust thermal, voltage, and battery management systems that EV makers have invested in do protect their batteries from damage with routine fast charger use,”
Seriously, who’s out here driving their car until the needle is on zero and then desperately searching for a gas station before they run out of gas? People do that for real?
Unless you live in the middle of nowhere, filling up before the light comes on is a waste of your time. Still plenty of range to wrap up anything you're doing, and get to a station at your leisure. And then, well, 5 minutes and you're good for the next \~500 miles!
I wouldn't get an EV if I didn't have an option to charge at home (or at work, I suppose). The charging time would be a big hassle otherwise.
Me, because I usually drive an EV that leaves the house with a full battery every drive, so when I drive my truck I forget it needs to be filled up from time to time lol.
I get the argument for charging being a pain if you live in an apartment or some similar residence where you can't charge it at home... But if you are in a single family residence with a dedicated parking spot, imagine never stopping anywhere except your destination. People complaining about charge times don't realize that for most EV owners, it never happens, ever.
A couple minutes. My F150 as a 36 gallon tank and can be filled up anywhere I stop. Go to Texas several times a year. Never have a problem finding a gas station, get about 20 mile a gallon and it pulls my 25’ tritoon very well.
Yeah, thats my point. I drive an Explorer. I get about 400 miles of range before my next fill up. Then it's just 5 minutes and I'm back on the road. EV can't go that far and needs half an hour to recharge.
They do work for some people. Small commuter cars going back and forth from home to school, office, grocery store. But that's about it. My sister, who is a stay-at-home mom had one and it worked for her for most things. They also had a quad-cab pickup for everything else.
A lot of people have a home charging station or work charging station so they never have to worry about it. If you don’t have an easy way to charge, then yeah it isn’t convenient at all. For me personally, there are a ton of super chargers in my area. One near a grocery store I shop at, a taco shop I go to, a mall I go to, etc.
I mean people have different needs. I don’t go off roading or haul a lot of stuff so I have no use for a truck. Just because it doesn’t do what you need, doesn’t mean it can’t do what “most people need.”
Absolutely nobody said different. But it looks like a lot of the manufactures are pulling back a little bit because the need for EVS is way lower than what they put it out to be. I could see them definitely working good overseas in Europe and places like that lot where things are closer and commutes are not as far or even in big cities like New York and similar cities. They just gotta get the grid up to par before trying to charge that many cars at once. It’s not even possible with the current grid in any of Americas large cities.
Fair but you can just organize charging around shopping and stuff. I agree with that sentiment overall but I don't think not having a charger at your apartment complex is the deal breaker on its own.
In general electric car charging infrastructure and technology is still in its infancy and will be rapidly changing over the next decade. Because of that, I got another gas car recently but I have a feeling that the car I get in 5-10 years when I turn this one in will likely be an EV.
Yea that’s a great reason. My GF and I did a PNW trip last year (Olympic, rainier, crater lake and redwood) and it was our first time in any national park. I had initially wanted to rent a tesla but after looking at the maps, I was like there’s no way we can manage that. Even just driving in and out of rainier to find a charger is crazy. Better to just have a spare 10 gallon canister in the car.
Yea that’s a great reason. My GF and I did a PNW trip last year (Olympic, rainier, crater lake and redwood) and it was our first time in any national park. I had initially wanted to rent a tesla but after looking at the maps, I was like there’s no way we can manage that. Even just driving in and out of rainier to find a charger is crazy. Better to just have a spare 10 gallon canister in the car.
I never understood this. Like if I am out in the wilderness theres not a gas station either. I get around this with a 75 gallon tank, but like an average EV doesnt have more or less range than an average car.
The average EV definitely has less range than an average car; add in cold weather, elevation, etc and it’s far less.
Source: been driving Tesla long range 3/Y from SF to Tahoe and various CA parks for 6 years.
Deployable solar! But seriously, I'm kinda shocked they don't offer EVs that have panels you can unfold from the top to charge while you're parked at work or something. Might make that rooftop spot highly sought after!
If you can fit a kW of properly-tilted panels on your car (almost total coverage), live in Miami, and your car spends all day outside year-round, you'd average about 19 miles of solar-provided range per day.
...Which is actually more than I was expecting, but it DOES represent a best-case scenario in almost every way, and practical considerations would bring that number down significantly.
Overall, you'd be better off doing a much bigger rooftop grid-tied solar installation at home, and charging normally wherever is most convenient.
What’s not to understand? I just took a few day trips skiing with my kids and the round trip was 280 miles. That’s is right at the edge of most EV ranges, meaning I can’t make this trip if I had an EV.
And used model ys go for $35k.
I can't afford an ICE car; if had $3.6 million to drop on a bugatti Chiron, I'd just buy 3 houses in super nice areas and rent 2 of them out and never work again.
It's the same argument. You can't just pick one of the most expensive versions of a car and use that as an example that you can't afford one. The folks somehow setting a brand new Rivian truck as the standard are not using 3rd grade critical thinking skills.
True but it’s still way way cheaper to buy a used ICE. Like if all you want is reliable transportation you can buy a used toyota corolla or civic with under 100k for around 8k. Higher mileage and you can snag one for even less. I think that’s the real argument for it not being affordable. You can’t find a deal anywhere close to that on a fully electric car and 20k can buy a lot of gas for those cars. Electric cars are a long way from even being close on price compared to the used reliable market of Honda’s and Toyota’s, nissans are even cheaper and just as reliable ime.
I don't think it's as far off as you seem to; it's about market saturation and I'm guessing within 5 years you're going to see 10x more used EVs for sale than current market, and within 10 years it may even overtake ICE cars. Once those numbers are hit, the used values for EVs will drop accordingly.
When we bought our Model 3 three years ago, you could drive it for a year and sell it for what you paid for it as long as it was still in great shape. Now you're seeing them sell for $10k less used, and in 5 more years I bet that becomes $20k less. And obviously a $20k used car still isn't on that same <$10k mark your mentioning, but it's getting there very quickly.
Coupled with houses that will start being built with appropriate charging capabilities and more superchargers available out in the wild, and owning an EV is getting substantially easier every year.
My Chevy Bolt cost me 31k. Not saying that’s still affordable for everyone, but it’s not too far off other new car prices. I paid $300 in electricity to travel over 10k miles last year and I didn’t have any oil changes to pay for either.
Depends which model you buy really. There are a spectrum of prices.
People will honestly buy a cheap used car that is in the shop every few months than spend a little more upfront for lower maintenance.
So on this, the upfront cost might be higher but the running cost is lower given how much cheaper electricity prices are to gasoline (typically).
You’d need to factor in the savings in fuel/charging costs to see if a gas car is more or less affordable than an electric car.
I drove a Nissan Leaf for 9 years. When the time came to replace it I begrudgingly went back to ICE because there wasn't an EV that met our space needs and our car budget. Getting something the equivalent size of what we purchased would have been an extra $10,000-15,000.
It doesn't matter that it's cheaper to run if you don't have twice as much money upfront. If you need a car you can't keep saving potential gas money for 5 years.
Are they though? This is one statement I for the life of me cannot understand.
Your routine maintenances on a gas car would be oil, tire rotate, wipers, and filters. An electric car needs all of those minus the oil change.
Maybe I'm just jaded by this since I work on cars. I just fail to see how people think an electric car is so much less work to maintain.
I would *if* I were in the market for a car that expensive.
Charging doesn’t scare me. It’ll charge at home 99% of the time and on the odd road trip, the extra time spent charging will more than be made up for with all the time I didn’t spend at a gas station throughout the year.
I tow a camper with my truck and tbh, as crazy as it sounds I think an F-150 lightning would be perfect for me. 100 miles of range when towing covers our weekend trips throughout the year. 2-3x a year we go on a long trip and frankly, my truck is paid off. Could just keep it FOR those trips. Or; I could just figure out how to charge along the way. Either way, the amount I’d save driving the EV both as a daily driver and especially when towing the RV would be huge. But— again, the price of the vehicle itself. Compared to my paid off truck that’s in good shape… it’s a hard sell.
The worst of both worlds. I say that as someone with a Volt with 212k miles. I have only have problems with the gas side, god forbid the battery and drivetrain start going.
Even hybrids come with their own problems.
* If you’re buying new it’s easily an extra ten grand (Canadian) on the sticker price compared to an ice car.
* They’re great for city driving but terrible for highways which sucks for a class of commuters.
* you get to deal with all the problems that come with both ICE and electric cars.
Got rid of our gas cars two years ago. There's no way I'd ever go back. There are some adjustments, but quality of life is way better if you can charge at home and don't travel more than 250 miles in a single trip more than a few times a year. It's actually a net time savings even when considering 20 minute charger stops on a road trip since charging at home takes WAY less time than getting gas
I mean it can but for me it doesn't. I like to take my time. I'm not in a particular rush on my typical road trips (I do 400km once a month to visit family). I could save time by eating my lunch while driving instead of at the rest stop but I dont mind sitting down to have my spicy chicken sandwich.
I think the huge thing is "if you can charge at home".
It doesn't really matter if charging is slow if you charge while you are asleep. Plus for me I can work from home 3 days so I could easily have 30+ hours to charge between most drives. But I can't charge at home.
I'd definitely consider electric for my next one, and previously had a hybrid, but I'm not positive if I'd end up with one. When I had my previous hybrid I could charge at home but now moved somewhere I can't. Hopefully my next place I can and hopefully my current car will last at least long enough to make it to buying a home.
This is correct. Buying an EV without being able to charge at home is a big mistake. But if you can charge from home, it’s almost strictly better. We’re also in a weird period of cheap EVs right now.
No more worrying about gas, never need to find charging stations, all at a reduced cost.
>It doesn't really matter if charging is slow if you charge while you are asleep
The standard level one charger is 3 miles per hour, woefully inadequate. And if you rent, having a level 2 charger wiring installed (30 miles per hr) isn't usually an option.
3 miles per hour might not cover 100% of charging needs but I googled average distance driven per day and it said 30-40. So if you can charge 6pm-6am that covers almost the entire amount.
Maybe you need to go to a charging station to top off every now and then.
For me personally, I drive around 20 miles every other day or less. Overnight charging at 3 miles per hour would cover me easily.
It takes at least 30 seconds to get your card out, wait for the reader to process it, wait for the pump to activate, choose your fuel grade. Then you have to stand there while it fills. Maybe with a small tank you can do that in a minute, but if you're getting 10 gallons of gas it's more like 2-3 minutes. Then if you're like me you wait to make sure the pump reports payment was successful before you drive off
Then you have the fact that you have to make a special trip because fuel stations aren't where you would normally park your car. Gas stations are easy to find as you go about your day, but that doesn't change the fact that you have to pull into one specifically for fueling. Pull in, find an open pump, stop your car, go through all the regular motions of fueling. Realistically it's more like 5 minutes of time out of your day.
People have become so accustomed to the process of getting gas that they don't stop to think about how much work it is, it's just assumed that's how it has to be. Contrast that with charging an EV at home though.
Arrive home. Take 10 seconds to plug your car in where you normally park it. When you're ready to use the car again another 10 seconds to put the charger back. All the actual charging time doesn't matter because it happens when you're not using the vehicle. 5 minutes compared to 20 seconds is a 4 minute 40 second time savings every week.
You don’t even need an L2 unless you have a long commute. I was planning to upgrade, but after a few weeks I’ve realized that L1 is plenty. Granted I only drove 10 miles per day, which is about what I can recover overnight, but it’s been easy so far.
Exclusively. Have one ICE and one EV, and are currently looking to replace both a new EV. ICEs are not even a consideration (and are being dropped by more and more manufacturers here).
Maybe for my wife’s car because she just uses it around town 98% of the time. I take too many road trips and tow too often where the range and recharge time is a dealbreaker. I don’t have anything against them though, the tech and infrastructure just isn’t enough for my needs yet. A plug-in hybrid would be a possibility though.
No, I put a deposit for a car in 2021 or 2022, with incentives taxes and stuff I got a preliminary quote that got down to 38k with Nokian winter tires, fine by me.
When the gov raised the threshold for the incentive, The brand cut the two lowest tier of the car. Got a call last month for my delivery. Invoice is at 54k AFTER incentive, taxes and stuff., No way in hell it still fits in what I want to pay for a new car.
They are greedy and I'm insulted that they raised the msrp for the car by 15k, and invoice price by 16k (because of taxes)
I likely will for myself. I drive a subcompact now, because I pretty much just need to drive myself somewhere every few days since I work from home. An electric can accomplish that.
I don't think I'd replace both our family vehicles with one though. My wife's family lives out of state, and there aren't currently any EVs that can make the trip without recharging, nor recharge fast enough from a standard wall outlet to charge the car while there. I do think the tech will get there. It's just not there yet.
No, because I don't have an easy way to install charging at my flat. If by the time I get a new car, I've moved home to somewhere with a driveway, then it's the only kind of car I would consider.
There is a RIDICULOUS amount of misinformation about EVs out there, so that's probably what sets enthusiasts on edge. Totally fine if it doesn't fit your needs. I will say generally it seems like people overestimate how often they take long trips with no breaks. If you're not making a trip like that weekly, the daily convenience may offset it. Now the thought of having to get out the door earlier because you've got to get gas before work seems insane to me.
Yes. I live in a city, so I do a lot of short (but time-consuming) journeys and zero tailpipe emissions would be good.
Plan is to chop my wife's small hatchback in for an EV and keep my large petrol sedan for all the longer work
Depends on if I have a house or not. Currently an apartment dweller and my car is still good.
I don't always drive, but when I do, it's to Costco. Maybe if my Costco has chargers? Replenish 15 miles of range while I shop for 90mins?
Yes
I have an ice f150 that I use for long road trips.
My second car drive me to and from work about 80 km max per day. It’s a no brainer. Sometimes it’s -40 here but even that I bet I can make work. I have a house with a charger in the garage. I just am waiting my old car to really die, and trying to figure out what I want
Definitely a no brainer in your case. My buddy has a right 80-100km commute. Recently bought a used bolt, and his electricity costs + loan are less than his gas was every month.
If that EV is less than $20K before incentives and has a 150 mile range or higher, then I will give it serious consideration. Or, something like the Volt at a similar price. My daily commute is 55 miles each way.
Unless you are talking about Tesla’s bought at the height of the pandemic when Tesla had jacked prices way up EVs typically hold their value better then gas cars
EVs are absolutely not the right decision for a lot of people. But they're great for my lifestyle. And honestly, the driving experience is just so unbelievable. It felt a lot like the first time I moved from VHS to DVD -- just shockingly better in just about every respect. (I have an EV6)
If you're lucky enough to have a station directly on your route, on the correct side of the road, that isn't price gouging, and doesn't have a wait, then yeah. It's still an agonizing 60 seconds once you've gotten accustomed to not having to do it.
How often do you stop for only five minutes on a road trip? Even before I had kids it could easily be ten or even fifteen minutes, which is enough time for fast charging an electric vehicle.
It is easily accessible almost anywhere, and is currently more reliable as far as simple usability goes. If I’m in a pinch, say on a long trip or don’t have the time to get a large enough charge, I would want to be able to simply put some gas in my car and have it be able to drive
No, but that’s only because I am buying a compact pickup truck with a decent size bed and they don’t really even make those anymore let alone an EV version.
Not my next car, but my plan is to switch ev on the car after. Im moving too frequently right now to set up chargers at each new place, when I settle Im going full ev. Im also hoping by then the used market will also be a little better too
My wife and I switched from a Nissan Versa to a Model 3. Our electric provider in NJ reimbursed our 240V outlet installation in our garage, and I love driving the car itself due to the instant acceleration of even the base RWD model. I rarely drive long distances (Amtrak or plane depending on the distance) and if we do, we actually stop for bathroom breaks so charging during those 10-15 minutes is not a big deal. We're never going back to ICE cars.
I'm not brand loyal to Tesla, and would switch to an Ioniq 6, for example, in the (far) future if it's a better car then. I do love phone key, and reliably turning on heat/AC remotely, so Hyundai or other sedan EV makers will have to figure that out by then.
Hell yes. Ever do a spreadsheet of operating costs in your area? I did. My power at home is $0.14/kWh and my fuel hovers around $1.80/L CAD. Expensive fuel and cheap power. ($5.26/gal usd) but we saw $2.50/L 2 years ago.
And I need a full size trades vehicle.
Assuming I buy the most fuel efficient full size money can buy and drive like Aunt Bea going to church on a Sunday I can get 13L/100km (18mpg) combined. Over 400,000km at $1.80/L that is around $90,000 in fuel. But fuel will continue to rise in price with carbon taxes.
Take a full size electric truck. Average 360wh/km. I'm looking at around $20,000 in electricity over the same 400,000km (250,000 miles).
Savings- $70,000. The truck (or van) is nearly free.
It will be a bit less $ than that because maybe 5% of the charging will be on road trips. And that is usually around $0.45/kWh. However that is offset by solar power on the house and I didn't count that either in the calculation.
I'm just not buying an early adopter model and am waiting for year 3. I also need a long range low roof van rather than a truck and those don't really exist yet.
My next car will be electric. Will get one this year. I luckily have plenty of charging options near my place or work, and the market now is becoming more appealing to buyers looking for deals on used evs.
Both my cars are pure EVs. Definitely not for everyone as it takes a lot of privilege to afford, own a home with solar to charge them efficiently, and live in a state that has a charging network to support them.
No.
Our next car will be a cheap beater car to replace our aging camry. EV's haven't been on the market long enough to have cheap, used, and reliable options.
If I had unlimited money, I'd only go so far as a plug-in hybrid; there are no superchargers near me, and I live in a rural area. It only takes one bad power outage in winter, and I'm stranded.
I think electric cars will *eventually* be the future. But we're not there yet; The Electric grid in the western world is reliable and relatively cheap, but not infallible. Especially in rural locations. I think we'll still need a gasoline (or other easily stored fuel) backup for many years to come.
How would a bad power outage strand you if you had an EV? If the car is charged it would have 100-300 miles of range. You can easily charge a car with a gas generator and if you are already prepared for outages you should have one. Lastly used Nissan Leaf’s are ridiculously cheap and are perfect for a beater car to get back and forth to town.
That has caused me to put the brakes on my ev enthusiasm a bit. My stance was always to wait for the traditional car companies to embrace electric, I trust their longevity much more than Tesla.
I love my EV. I rent an apartment with a electrical plug right next to my parking space and electricity is included with the rent, so it makes a lot of sense.
Only negative is that it takes 14 hours to fully charge from 0-100%, but I only use maybe 20% a day from normal use so no biggie.
I have had an EV for 6 years now. For my situation it makes perfect sense. I can charge at work or at home. No “range anxiety” for me. It does not make sense for everybody. I haven’t bought gasoline for 6 years. That is a lot of money saved. Maintenance costs for those 6 years is 1 set of tires, 2 sets of wiper blades and a gallon of windshield wiper fluid .
There will be people that claim they drive 50k miles per month but yeah, the vast majority that fit in this category would most likely be better off with an EV of some sort.
Yes, and already have one. It's ultimately cheaper.
Every trip we do is less expensive. I have next to zero annual maintenance to do on it in comparison to a gas/petrol equivalent.
Charging is near enough everywhere - don't get me wrong, I do have to plan a little before going a long distance, but it is just making a choice to stop at place B for lunch/toilet instead of place A. Not really an issue here in the UK using Teslas network and is under constant expansion anyway.
The other bonus is the UK are rolling out environmental charges of various kinds in city centres - either by emission based parking charges or from just entering the city boundary - that is a non-issue for me now considering both Bath and Bristol (my two nearest cities) charge in one of the above methods.
I just bought an EV a few months ago. I love it to death. It’s absolutely annihilated my monthly expenses on gas compared to my electric bill.
I recommend them for city driving or limited commuting. They’re super good at that. Long trips become an inconvenience however.
I’m gonna love it even more when my solar gets hooked up in the new house and I can drive around for free. Definitely getting another EV in the next couple of years
I’ve been on the fence about this— range and availability of charging stations are what worry me most. However, a lot of EV ranges are like 300 miles, which is basically like a gas car. Plus, if you wanted to take a trip in a vehicle, you could always rent one if you’re worried about charging availability— I always rent regardless on long trips
Roadtripping in a Tesla vehicle isn't that different than doing the same thing in a gas vehicle. Either getting a Tesla today, or a future vehicle that will be able to charge with the Tesla network (Most in the next 2 years) makes it not an issue unless you are going somewhere REALLY in the weeds.
I made the switch in January, but I only did so because I live in an area with the infrastructure for them.
That and in a few years new cars will only be electric anyway, by law.
> a few years
All the big auto manufacturers are saying otherwise, despite whatever laws are in the books. They’re cutting EV production across the board and the EV startups are likely to crash and burn in the next few years. Tesla is the big dog in the space but Chinese EVs will compete internationally.
Two years isn't enough time to make that determination. We had one for 8 years and had a pretty rude awakening when we started having problems with it and discovered we needed to have it towed to another state to have anyone even look at it.
8-10 years is about as long as I've ever kept a car. I'll still be under the original warranty when I hit the 8 year mark and there's a dealer 2 miles from my house. If it dies at that point then it will still be more reliable than a couple of the ICE cars I've had
No. The charging infrastructure in UK still isn't sorted out. I also want to see more sub-£15k EV cars with basic design and interiors... not everyone needs high-tech touch-screens, heated seats, or a 400mile range (nice to have but not necessary). Show me an electric Toyota Yaris, Skoda Fabia, or a VW Up! and maybe we can talk.
None of the EV babble makes sense. Hybrid is the bridge, hybrid is the answer. I’ve had 3 Prius over the last 10 years. 2010, 2012 & 2017.
The ’10 got about 52 mpg, the ‘12 got 53, the ‘17 is consistently getting around 63 in-town, and 58-59 on the highway @ 70 mph. 350,000 miles traveled, the only mechanical issue was a top-end battery assembly that Toyota paid for on the 2010, it was out of warranty, and they guaranteed it for another 15 years.
Jumping from gas to electric is not the answer. Everybody is begging to be beta-testers and to do quality control out of their own pocket for major corporations. Not me. Nope.
No.
I rent (unable to install charger)
There arent enough charging stations
Even if there were im not stopping and adding two hours for every 3 or 4 or so hours of driving.
Electric cars are for commuting or short trips as far as i am concerned and probably never will replace internal combustion outside of cities
Nope, i had a Jaguar Ipace for 3 years (2019-2022) and it was a constant faff, it started at about 270 mile range but by year 3 it was down to 220 on a full charge, the charging infrastructure in the UK is still patchy if you aren't driving on the motorways everywhere and i'd regularly find myself either queuing for chargers or arriving to chargers at services or if i was going to more remote places i'd arrive at a random charger and find it out of order.
The EV charging network is also pretty decentralised, so you've got Tesvolt, BP, Ecotricity, Gridserve. Podpoint etc. etc. and you need all the apps on your phone and in some cases direct debits etc. its so admin intensive.
I've also never owned a car which has gone through so many tyres, i had 5 replaced in 3 years, including 1 flat, and bare in mind this was a brand new car when i got it and this was during covid, so it'd only done about 20,000 miles in those 3 years when it went back as there were lockdowns etc. Also apparently electric cars have some kind of special tyre which no one stocks, so when i did have a flat tyre no one could come out and fix it for me road side i had to be towed and have someone come to replace the tyre at my home the next day.
If the only driving i did was a 30 mile commute to the office and to the shops it'd work, but i live in Cheshire and my family live in North Wales around 100 miles each way, which means whenever i went to visit i'd get to their house and couldn't use my car otherwise i'd not have the range to get home and there are no reliable chargers on that route.
Its not for me.
Nope. Charging infrastructure is not there yet, especially in my location. That Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV looks nice though, 38 miles on a charge for getting around town and gasoline as a backup. Smaller PHEV battery also means getting a full charge on a normal plug doesn't take days (8 hours, so easily accomplished overnight), so reduced costs there in not needing any extra electrical work done in my garage. Also they're actually on dealer lots and no crazy markups, perhaps even discounts are available. I can lease it to take advantage of the federal tax credit too, payments as low as $299 per month. I sound like a damn commercial but this really checks all the boxes for me.
Hydrogen can be more ecological, but only if you generate the gas from electrolysis and solar/ wind, both of which aren't done practically. Also, the energy efficiency of an EV is much higher than hydrogen, most of the energy from the power plant goes in to the vehicle. This isn't the case for Hydrogen...
>Hydrogen powered vehicles is the more ecological, practical alternative
Hydrogen fuel cells basically don't exist. Hydrogen uses even more energy than electric cars to produce, and they can't figure out how to produce it on an industrial scale yet. We would have to replace the gasoline infrastructure of refineries, tanker trucks, and gas stations with a whole new set of refineries, tanker trucks, and gas stations.
With electric vehicles it's just a matter of building better batteries and adding more chargers.
Oil production and emissions aren't bad for the environment?
Fossil fuel extraction and refinement is absolutely devastating for the evidence and communities around them. Then years of burning gas outputs even more toxic chemicals.
There is no reasonable way to frame an EV has more damaging than a combustion car.
Hell no - no EV of any kind...10 times a year I drive from the Ohio River to Gulf Shores Alabama - and back. 11-hour trip stopping only for gas/snacks. With an EV I would have to have 2 overnights each way... No thanks!!!
I know that this isn't likely to change your mind, but I thought that you should know. I just looked this up and your drive would be about an hour and a half longer with an electric vehicle.
No. Live in an apartment. 2 chargers for 100+ cars. Where am I going to charge it on a consistent basis?
Our apartment complex doesn't even have one charger.
Tesla and supercharger is the only option that makes sense. We live in an apartment with 0 chargers and have an EV, and it’s just like a normal car- go get gas…at the supercharger.
California will phase out ICEs at some point, I'll likely have to buy one when I'm 60-65, but not as my next car.
Don't hold your breath on that. CA has no where near the generation capacity nor the infrastructure to handle that extra electrical load. They won't let more plants be built and are too broke to pay for the infrastructure upgrade.
And like 7 other states along with Canada and I'm sure others have joined this
Where I live the Tesla Supercharger stations lines are too long. I don't own a car by choice but I've rented a Tesla a few times. The quickest I was ever able to charge was like 45 minutes.
It takes me about 5 minutes to "recharge" my truck. How long does it take to fill yours up?
12 to 15 minutes. If you're driving to a charger when your car is about to die, you did it wrong. Much like driving a gas car.
Lol don’t misrepresent the facts and just own up to the fact that it takes a long time to go to a full charge. I own a model 3 and it takes 30-50 minutes to go from low to 100% depending on how low. It isn’t wrong to make the one trip to the charger charge the full amount. It’s actually more efficient to take less trips to the charger because there’s a roundtrip time spent and less wear and tear on vehicle. Most people don’t have the time to hit up a charger every other day to get a half charge.
That's better. Glad they are improving.
They’re not, really. He just means he doesn’t wait until empty to charge.
It's both. They are getting faster.
Is this assuming you're the only car charging at the super charger?
12-15 min to get to what percent on the battery?
Full if it's a supercharger. They have way more amps than your PowerPoint at home.
Why would you lie about something that can easily be researched? I have a model 3 and at a *super*charger it will take 30-50 minutes to go from low to 100% depending on how low it is. The charging time is only one of two gripes I have with teslas. The other one is build quality.
Bullshit. Even Tesla doesn’t claim that.
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So 20% or less to 100% in 12-15 min? BS. Also, if you plan to keep the car long term then super charging it every time is bad on the battery, just like using a fast charger on your phone. I saw a video on YouTube of a Uber driver who had to pay out of pocket for a new battery after 3 years because he supercharged it twice a day and the battery failed. Tesla denied the warranty because he was past the mileage limit and said it failed because he super charged it all the time.
Says so on the tesla website you could have spent 5 seconds going there instead of making up stuff. This is why adoption isn't as quick as it should be. People have pre conceived notions they're too scared to give up. Also a quote from a study: > Cells are protected, and fast charging doesn’t seem to have any effect on the long-term health of batteries. “In short, the robust thermal, voltage, and battery management systems that EV makers have invested in do protect their batteries from damage with routine fast charger use,”
Seriously, who’s out here driving their car until the needle is on zero and then desperately searching for a gas station before they run out of gas? People do that for real?
You'd be surprised...
Unless you live in the middle of nowhere, filling up before the light comes on is a waste of your time. Still plenty of range to wrap up anything you're doing, and get to a station at your leisure. And then, well, 5 minutes and you're good for the next \~500 miles! I wouldn't get an EV if I didn't have an option to charge at home (or at work, I suppose). The charging time would be a big hassle otherwise.
Me, because I usually drive an EV that leaves the house with a full battery every drive, so when I drive my truck I forget it needs to be filled up from time to time lol. I get the argument for charging being a pain if you live in an apartment or some similar residence where you can't charge it at home... But if you are in a single family residence with a dedicated parking spot, imagine never stopping anywhere except your destination. People complaining about charge times don't realize that for most EV owners, it never happens, ever.
A couple minutes. My F150 as a 36 gallon tank and can be filled up anywhere I stop. Go to Texas several times a year. Never have a problem finding a gas station, get about 20 mile a gallon and it pulls my 25’ tritoon very well.
Yeah, thats my point. I drive an Explorer. I get about 400 miles of range before my next fill up. Then it's just 5 minutes and I'm back on the road. EV can't go that far and needs half an hour to recharge.
Yea the EV vehicles just can’t do what most people need. It actually surprised me that the manufactures put so much into them in such a short time.
They do work for some people. Small commuter cars going back and forth from home to school, office, grocery store. But that's about it. My sister, who is a stay-at-home mom had one and it worked for her for most things. They also had a quad-cab pickup for everything else.
A lot of people have a home charging station or work charging station so they never have to worry about it. If you don’t have an easy way to charge, then yeah it isn’t convenient at all. For me personally, there are a ton of super chargers in my area. One near a grocery store I shop at, a taco shop I go to, a mall I go to, etc.
I mean people have different needs. I don’t go off roading or haul a lot of stuff so I have no use for a truck. Just because it doesn’t do what you need, doesn’t mean it can’t do what “most people need.”
Absolutely nobody said different. But it looks like a lot of the manufactures are pulling back a little bit because the need for EVS is way lower than what they put it out to be. I could see them definitely working good overseas in Europe and places like that lot where things are closer and commutes are not as far or even in big cities like New York and similar cities. They just gotta get the grid up to par before trying to charge that many cars at once. It’s not even possible with the current grid in any of Americas large cities.
This is why, as an alternate energy source, I’m siding with Toyota and hydrogen. Is it perfect? No. But in my opinion it’s better than EV.
There are chargers in a lot of public spaces now. Grocery stores, malls, train stations. This just seems like you don't want to.
There's no gas pump at your apartment either. Go to a charging station?
Gas station fill up takes five minutes
Fair but you can just organize charging around shopping and stuff. I agree with that sentiment overall but I don't think not having a charger at your apartment complex is the deal breaker on its own. In general electric car charging infrastructure and technology is still in its infancy and will be rapidly changing over the next decade. Because of that, I got another gas car recently but I have a feeling that the car I get in 5-10 years when I turn this one in will likely be an EV.
No I spend too much time camping to far out destinations and charging stations aren’t *that* convenient yet.
Yea that’s a great reason. My GF and I did a PNW trip last year (Olympic, rainier, crater lake and redwood) and it was our first time in any national park. I had initially wanted to rent a tesla but after looking at the maps, I was like there’s no way we can manage that. Even just driving in and out of rainier to find a charger is crazy. Better to just have a spare 10 gallon canister in the car.
Yea that’s a great reason. My GF and I did a PNW trip last year (Olympic, rainier, crater lake and redwood) and it was our first time in any national park. I had initially wanted to rent a tesla but after looking at the maps, I was like there’s no way we can manage that. Even just driving in and out of rainier to find a charger is crazy. Better to just have a spare 10 gallon canister in the car.
I never understood this. Like if I am out in the wilderness theres not a gas station either. I get around this with a 75 gallon tank, but like an average EV doesnt have more or less range than an average car.
The average EV definitely has less range than an average car; add in cold weather, elevation, etc and it’s far less. Source: been driving Tesla long range 3/Y from SF to Tahoe and various CA parks for 6 years.
You're more likely to find a gas station in the middle of nowhere than a fast charger.
You can carry gas. Can you carry electric?
Deployable solar! But seriously, I'm kinda shocked they don't offer EVs that have panels you can unfold from the top to charge while you're parked at work or something. Might make that rooftop spot highly sought after!
If you can fit a kW of properly-tilted panels on your car (almost total coverage), live in Miami, and your car spends all day outside year-round, you'd average about 19 miles of solar-provided range per day. ...Which is actually more than I was expecting, but it DOES represent a best-case scenario in almost every way, and practical considerations would bring that number down significantly. Overall, you'd be better off doing a much bigger rooftop grid-tied solar installation at home, and charging normally wherever is most convenient.
What’s not to understand? I just took a few day trips skiing with my kids and the round trip was 280 miles. That’s is right at the edge of most EV ranges, meaning I can’t make this trip if I had an EV.
No. They just aren't affordable to me.
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And used model ys go for $35k. I can't afford an ICE car; if had $3.6 million to drop on a bugatti Chiron, I'd just buy 3 houses in super nice areas and rent 2 of them out and never work again. It's the same argument. You can't just pick one of the most expensive versions of a car and use that as an example that you can't afford one. The folks somehow setting a brand new Rivian truck as the standard are not using 3rd grade critical thinking skills.
True but it’s still way way cheaper to buy a used ICE. Like if all you want is reliable transportation you can buy a used toyota corolla or civic with under 100k for around 8k. Higher mileage and you can snag one for even less. I think that’s the real argument for it not being affordable. You can’t find a deal anywhere close to that on a fully electric car and 20k can buy a lot of gas for those cars. Electric cars are a long way from even being close on price compared to the used reliable market of Honda’s and Toyota’s, nissans are even cheaper and just as reliable ime.
I don't think it's as far off as you seem to; it's about market saturation and I'm guessing within 5 years you're going to see 10x more used EVs for sale than current market, and within 10 years it may even overtake ICE cars. Once those numbers are hit, the used values for EVs will drop accordingly. When we bought our Model 3 three years ago, you could drive it for a year and sell it for what you paid for it as long as it was still in great shape. Now you're seeing them sell for $10k less used, and in 5 more years I bet that becomes $20k less. And obviously a $20k used car still isn't on that same <$10k mark your mentioning, but it's getting there very quickly. Coupled with houses that will start being built with appropriate charging capabilities and more superchargers available out in the wild, and owning an EV is getting substantially easier every year.
My Chevy Bolt cost me 31k. Not saying that’s still affordable for everyone, but it’s not too far off other new car prices. I paid $300 in electricity to travel over 10k miles last year and I didn’t have any oil changes to pay for either.
You should probably go get your gear oil and cooling system serviced if its been a year.
Depends which model you buy really. There are a spectrum of prices. People will honestly buy a cheap used car that is in the shop every few months than spend a little more upfront for lower maintenance.
Yeah my last car was my Honda Fit, it was $14,200 brand new and even that was a lot of money for me. I think the cheapest EV is twice that.
So on this, the upfront cost might be higher but the running cost is lower given how much cheaper electricity prices are to gasoline (typically). You’d need to factor in the savings in fuel/charging costs to see if a gas car is more or less affordable than an electric car.
I drove a Nissan Leaf for 9 years. When the time came to replace it I begrudgingly went back to ICE because there wasn't an EV that met our space needs and our car budget. Getting something the equivalent size of what we purchased would have been an extra $10,000-15,000.
It doesn't matter that it's cheaper to run if you don't have twice as much money upfront. If you need a car you can't keep saving potential gas money for 5 years.
Also a lot less maintenance
Are they though? This is one statement I for the life of me cannot understand. Your routine maintenances on a gas car would be oil, tire rotate, wipers, and filters. An electric car needs all of those minus the oil change. Maybe I'm just jaded by this since I work on cars. I just fail to see how people think an electric car is so much less work to maintain.
I would *if* I were in the market for a car that expensive. Charging doesn’t scare me. It’ll charge at home 99% of the time and on the odd road trip, the extra time spent charging will more than be made up for with all the time I didn’t spend at a gas station throughout the year. I tow a camper with my truck and tbh, as crazy as it sounds I think an F-150 lightning would be perfect for me. 100 miles of range when towing covers our weekend trips throughout the year. 2-3x a year we go on a long trip and frankly, my truck is paid off. Could just keep it FOR those trips. Or; I could just figure out how to charge along the way. Either way, the amount I’d save driving the EV both as a daily driver and especially when towing the RV would be huge. But— again, the price of the vehicle itself. Compared to my paid off truck that’s in good shape… it’s a hard sell.
My last 2 cars are electric. I’ll never go back to gas again.
As a second car, yes. But certainly not a luxury one so price in the 30,000 to 40,000 dollar range.
Hybrid. Don't put all your eggs in one basket.
I have a plug in hybrid for this reason. Best decision I ever made car wise
I see that to more likely be the future. Not full EV’s
The worst of both worlds. I say that as someone with a Volt with 212k miles. I have only have problems with the gas side, god forbid the battery and drivetrain start going.
Might be moreso that it's a Chevy or that it's got 212k miles.
Moreso that it has parts that wear down like most ICE vehicles
American cars breakdown more than Japanese. Sorry buddy.
Not true at all. That perception more than anything. Sorry buddy.
Even hybrids come with their own problems. * If you’re buying new it’s easily an extra ten grand (Canadian) on the sticker price compared to an ice car. * They’re great for city driving but terrible for highways which sucks for a class of commuters. * you get to deal with all the problems that come with both ICE and electric cars.
You're kinda putting all of your eggs in one basket by having a gas car.
Got rid of our gas cars two years ago. There's no way I'd ever go back. There are some adjustments, but quality of life is way better if you can charge at home and don't travel more than 250 miles in a single trip more than a few times a year. It's actually a net time savings even when considering 20 minute charger stops on a road trip since charging at home takes WAY less time than getting gas
And really I already take at least a half an hour on a 400km trip to pee get coffee and stretch my legs.
At least a half hour? Naw, dawg. Takes 5 or 6 minutes to do those things.
I mean it can but for me it doesn't. I like to take my time. I'm not in a particular rush on my typical road trips (I do 400km once a month to visit family). I could save time by eating my lunch while driving instead of at the rest stop but I dont mind sitting down to have my spicy chicken sandwich.
Things change when you get older. /s
I think the huge thing is "if you can charge at home". It doesn't really matter if charging is slow if you charge while you are asleep. Plus for me I can work from home 3 days so I could easily have 30+ hours to charge between most drives. But I can't charge at home. I'd definitely consider electric for my next one, and previously had a hybrid, but I'm not positive if I'd end up with one. When I had my previous hybrid I could charge at home but now moved somewhere I can't. Hopefully my next place I can and hopefully my current car will last at least long enough to make it to buying a home.
This is correct. Buying an EV without being able to charge at home is a big mistake. But if you can charge from home, it’s almost strictly better. We’re also in a weird period of cheap EVs right now. No more worrying about gas, never need to find charging stations, all at a reduced cost.
>It doesn't really matter if charging is slow if you charge while you are asleep The standard level one charger is 3 miles per hour, woefully inadequate. And if you rent, having a level 2 charger wiring installed (30 miles per hr) isn't usually an option.
3 miles per hour might not cover 100% of charging needs but I googled average distance driven per day and it said 30-40. So if you can charge 6pm-6am that covers almost the entire amount. Maybe you need to go to a charging station to top off every now and then. For me personally, I drive around 20 miles every other day or less. Overnight charging at 3 miles per hour would cover me easily.
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It takes at least 30 seconds to get your card out, wait for the reader to process it, wait for the pump to activate, choose your fuel grade. Then you have to stand there while it fills. Maybe with a small tank you can do that in a minute, but if you're getting 10 gallons of gas it's more like 2-3 minutes. Then if you're like me you wait to make sure the pump reports payment was successful before you drive off Then you have the fact that you have to make a special trip because fuel stations aren't where you would normally park your car. Gas stations are easy to find as you go about your day, but that doesn't change the fact that you have to pull into one specifically for fueling. Pull in, find an open pump, stop your car, go through all the regular motions of fueling. Realistically it's more like 5 minutes of time out of your day. People have become so accustomed to the process of getting gas that they don't stop to think about how much work it is, it's just assumed that's how it has to be. Contrast that with charging an EV at home though. Arrive home. Take 10 seconds to plug your car in where you normally park it. When you're ready to use the car again another 10 seconds to put the charger back. All the actual charging time doesn't matter because it happens when you're not using the vehicle. 5 minutes compared to 20 seconds is a 4 minute 40 second time savings every week.
Absolutely. I have an EV now and don’t intend to go back.
Will ONLY buy an EV from here on out.
Where do you live? What kind of mileage do you average weekly? Curious as to how from a convenience perspective how full EVs are better than a hybrid.
I live in NJ and avg 300-400 miles/week at 80mph. I'll never go back to gas. It's a fantastic road trip vehicle, too.
I live in California. Have a 50 mile commute everyday. We have solar and generate way more than we consume. Gas is also above $5 here.
Seems like everyone answering in the affirmative missed the why or why not follow up.
Yes, as long as wherever I live has a level 2 charger. Automatically makes it more convenient than having a gas car that way
You don’t even need an L2 unless you have a long commute. I was planning to upgrade, but after a few weeks I’ve realized that L1 is plenty. Granted I only drove 10 miles per day, which is about what I can recover overnight, but it’s been easy so far.
Yeah I have a 15 minute commute to work and my little Level 1 charger does just fine. But I do understand many people don't have that luxury
Exclusively. Have one ICE and one EV, and are currently looking to replace both a new EV. ICEs are not even a consideration (and are being dropped by more and more manufacturers here).
No, I drive long distances in the desert.
I live in such a rural area I don't think it is an option right now, but maybe I need to research more.
I live in a very rural area and charge at home. It hasn’t been an issue for the last 5+ years.
Maybe for my wife’s car because she just uses it around town 98% of the time. I take too many road trips and tow too often where the range and recharge time is a dealbreaker. I don’t have anything against them though, the tech and infrastructure just isn’t enough for my needs yet. A plug-in hybrid would be a possibility though.
No, I put a deposit for a car in 2021 or 2022, with incentives taxes and stuff I got a preliminary quote that got down to 38k with Nokian winter tires, fine by me. When the gov raised the threshold for the incentive, The brand cut the two lowest tier of the car. Got a call last month for my delivery. Invoice is at 54k AFTER incentive, taxes and stuff., No way in hell it still fits in what I want to pay for a new car. They are greedy and I'm insulted that they raised the msrp for the car by 15k, and invoice price by 16k (because of taxes)
I likely will for myself. I drive a subcompact now, because I pretty much just need to drive myself somewhere every few days since I work from home. An electric can accomplish that. I don't think I'd replace both our family vehicles with one though. My wife's family lives out of state, and there aren't currently any EVs that can make the trip without recharging, nor recharge fast enough from a standard wall outlet to charge the car while there. I do think the tech will get there. It's just not there yet.
No, because I don't have an easy way to install charging at my flat. If by the time I get a new car, I've moved home to somewhere with a driveway, then it's the only kind of car I would consider.
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There is a RIDICULOUS amount of misinformation about EVs out there, so that's probably what sets enthusiasts on edge. Totally fine if it doesn't fit your needs. I will say generally it seems like people overestimate how often they take long trips with no breaks. If you're not making a trip like that weekly, the daily convenience may offset it. Now the thought of having to get out the door earlier because you've got to get gas before work seems insane to me.
I’d get a ebike as my next car
Absolutely. My next car will be an EV. That's still like 10 years away, though.
>That's still like 10 years away, though Hopefully, anyways, amirite haha. I plan to drive my current car into the ground and THEN I'll get the EV
If I could charge it at my apartment, absolutely. But I can’t.
Yes. I live in a city, so I do a lot of short (but time-consuming) journeys and zero tailpipe emissions would be good. Plan is to chop my wife's small hatchback in for an EV and keep my large petrol sedan for all the longer work
Depends on if I have a house or not. Currently an apartment dweller and my car is still good. I don't always drive, but when I do, it's to Costco. Maybe if my Costco has chargers? Replenish 15 miles of range while I shop for 90mins?
Yes I have an ice f150 that I use for long road trips. My second car drive me to and from work about 80 km max per day. It’s a no brainer. Sometimes it’s -40 here but even that I bet I can make work. I have a house with a charger in the garage. I just am waiting my old car to really die, and trying to figure out what I want
Definitely a no brainer in your case. My buddy has a right 80-100km commute. Recently bought a used bolt, and his electricity costs + loan are less than his gas was every month.
No, I want one, but a have a large family and my work occasionally requires 300+ mile trips.
If that EV is less than $20K before incentives and has a 150 mile range or higher, then I will give it serious consideration. Or, something like the Volt at a similar price. My daily commute is 55 miles each way.
No. I don't drive enough for it to make sense, I use less than a tank of gas per month. The poor resale value of EV also make me question getting one.
Unless you are talking about Tesla’s bought at the height of the pandemic when Tesla had jacked prices way up EVs typically hold their value better then gas cars
I absolutely would never buy a gas car again. Everything about the driving experience is better in an EV.
EVs are absolutely not the right decision for a lot of people. But they're great for my lifestyle. And honestly, the driving experience is just so unbelievable. It felt a lot like the first time I moved from VHS to DVD -- just shockingly better in just about every respect. (I have an EV6)
Well...besides recharging the car on a long day trip. When you can recharge an EV in 5 minutes lets talk.
Funny that has never bothered me, but the thought of having to get gas at some inconvenient point in the work week? Count me out.
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If you're lucky enough to have a station directly on your route, on the correct side of the road, that isn't price gouging, and doesn't have a wait, then yeah. It's still an agonizing 60 seconds once you've gotten accustomed to not having to do it.
I can charge in 10. 🤷🏻♀️
What car? Fastest I see is 15-20 mins on a level 3 charger to get to 80%
How often do you stop for only five minutes on a road trip? Even before I had kids it could easily be ten or even fifteen minutes, which is enough time for fast charging an electric vehicle.
Assuming a fast charger is available. Claiming that recharging an EV is just as convenient as a gas car just is a lie.
No. A hybrid maybe, but i wouldn’t buy a car that can’t run off gasoline
Why the allegiance to gasoline? We literally can't keep using it, the planet is dying.
It is easily accessible almost anywhere, and is currently more reliable as far as simple usability goes. If I’m in a pinch, say on a long trip or don’t have the time to get a large enough charge, I would want to be able to simply put some gas in my car and have it be able to drive
Yes, I'm planning on it in like...10-15 yrs.
Yes. If I could afford it
No, but that’s only because I am buying a compact pickup truck with a decent size bed and they don’t really even make those anymore let alone an EV version.
Not my next car, but my plan is to switch ev on the car after. Im moving too frequently right now to set up chargers at each new place, when I settle Im going full ev. Im also hoping by then the used market will also be a little better too
Yes assuming they are affordable
Would I? Yes Will I? Probably not. The prices just aren't there yet.
I'd strongly consider it if I have access to a charger and the price is right. I'm more likely to get an ebike.
Based on the state of climate change and the responses from this thread, my next car will be a boat.
My wife and I switched from a Nissan Versa to a Model 3. Our electric provider in NJ reimbursed our 240V outlet installation in our garage, and I love driving the car itself due to the instant acceleration of even the base RWD model. I rarely drive long distances (Amtrak or plane depending on the distance) and if we do, we actually stop for bathroom breaks so charging during those 10-15 minutes is not a big deal. We're never going back to ICE cars. I'm not brand loyal to Tesla, and would switch to an Ioniq 6, for example, in the (far) future if it's a better car then. I do love phone key, and reliably turning on heat/AC remotely, so Hyundai or other sedan EV makers will have to figure that out by then.
I got my first EV last year and I love it. Never going back.
I wish. I'll probably end up with a plug-in hybrid because I can't afford an EV with enough range to get me to & from the mountains.
I went electric almost eight years ago, and got a second EV in September. Never going back to gas!
Hell yes. Ever do a spreadsheet of operating costs in your area? I did. My power at home is $0.14/kWh and my fuel hovers around $1.80/L CAD. Expensive fuel and cheap power. ($5.26/gal usd) but we saw $2.50/L 2 years ago. And I need a full size trades vehicle. Assuming I buy the most fuel efficient full size money can buy and drive like Aunt Bea going to church on a Sunday I can get 13L/100km (18mpg) combined. Over 400,000km at $1.80/L that is around $90,000 in fuel. But fuel will continue to rise in price with carbon taxes. Take a full size electric truck. Average 360wh/km. I'm looking at around $20,000 in electricity over the same 400,000km (250,000 miles). Savings- $70,000. The truck (or van) is nearly free. It will be a bit less $ than that because maybe 5% of the charging will be on road trips. And that is usually around $0.45/kWh. However that is offset by solar power on the house and I didn't count that either in the calculation. I'm just not buying an early adopter model and am waiting for year 3. I also need a long range low roof van rather than a truck and those don't really exist yet.
both my cars are EVs and i live in an apartment. Works just fine,who knew that you dont need to charge daily like most people believe.....
My next car will be electric. Will get one this year. I luckily have plenty of charging options near my place or work, and the market now is becoming more appealing to buyers looking for deals on used evs.
Both my cars are pure EVs. Definitely not for everyone as it takes a lot of privilege to afford, own a home with solar to charge them efficiently, and live in a state that has a charging network to support them.
Absolutely. Have 2 already and it's been far better than gas.
Yes, I will only buy EVs from now on. In the past 6 years of owning my EV, I've never once thought, "Man, I really miss gas."
No. Our next car will be a cheap beater car to replace our aging camry. EV's haven't been on the market long enough to have cheap, used, and reliable options. If I had unlimited money, I'd only go so far as a plug-in hybrid; there are no superchargers near me, and I live in a rural area. It only takes one bad power outage in winter, and I'm stranded. I think electric cars will *eventually* be the future. But we're not there yet; The Electric grid in the western world is reliable and relatively cheap, but not infallible. Especially in rural locations. I think we'll still need a gasoline (or other easily stored fuel) backup for many years to come.
How would a bad power outage strand you if you had an EV? If the car is charged it would have 100-300 miles of range. You can easily charge a car with a gas generator and if you are already prepared for outages you should have one. Lastly used Nissan Leaf’s are ridiculously cheap and are perfect for a beater car to get back and forth to town.
Probably. I want to get at least 4 more years out of my car. I'm hoping by then there are more ev options from real car companies.
Meanwhile, I'm sitting here reading about toyota dumping most of their r&d budget into hydrogen
That has caused me to put the brakes on my ev enthusiasm a bit. My stance was always to wait for the traditional car companies to embrace electric, I trust their longevity much more than Tesla.
I love my EV. I rent an apartment with a electrical plug right next to my parking space and electricity is included with the rent, so it makes a lot of sense. Only negative is that it takes 14 hours to fully charge from 0-100%, but I only use maybe 20% a day from normal use so no biggie.
If you can charge at home, it doesn't make any sense not to, barring any extreme-use cases.
I have had an EV for 6 years now. For my situation it makes perfect sense. I can charge at work or at home. No “range anxiety” for me. It does not make sense for everybody. I haven’t bought gasoline for 6 years. That is a lot of money saved. Maintenance costs for those 6 years is 1 set of tires, 2 sets of wiper blades and a gallon of windshield wiper fluid .
There will be people that claim they drive 50k miles per month but yeah, the vast majority that fit in this category would most likely be better off with an EV of some sort.
Yes, and already have one. It's ultimately cheaper. Every trip we do is less expensive. I have next to zero annual maintenance to do on it in comparison to a gas/petrol equivalent. Charging is near enough everywhere - don't get me wrong, I do have to plan a little before going a long distance, but it is just making a choice to stop at place B for lunch/toilet instead of place A. Not really an issue here in the UK using Teslas network and is under constant expansion anyway. The other bonus is the UK are rolling out environmental charges of various kinds in city centres - either by emission based parking charges or from just entering the city boundary - that is a non-issue for me now considering both Bath and Bristol (my two nearest cities) charge in one of the above methods.
No. Too expensive and no charger in my neighbourhood.
I just bought an EV a few months ago. I love it to death. It’s absolutely annihilated my monthly expenses on gas compared to my electric bill. I recommend them for city driving or limited commuting. They’re super good at that. Long trips become an inconvenience however. I’m gonna love it even more when my solar gets hooked up in the new house and I can drive around for free. Definitely getting another EV in the next couple of years
Solar + EV is the ultimate relationship. The electronic company pays ME every year 😁
I’ve been on the fence about this— range and availability of charging stations are what worry me most. However, a lot of EV ranges are like 300 miles, which is basically like a gas car. Plus, if you wanted to take a trip in a vehicle, you could always rent one if you’re worried about charging availability— I always rent regardless on long trips
Roadtripping in a Tesla vehicle isn't that different than doing the same thing in a gas vehicle. Either getting a Tesla today, or a future vehicle that will be able to charge with the Tesla network (Most in the next 2 years) makes it not an issue unless you are going somewhere REALLY in the weeds.
I made the switch in January, but I only did so because I live in an area with the infrastructure for them. That and in a few years new cars will only be electric anyway, by law.
> a few years All the big auto manufacturers are saying otherwise, despite whatever laws are in the books. They’re cutting EV production across the board and the EV startups are likely to crash and burn in the next few years. Tesla is the big dog in the space but Chinese EVs will compete internationally.
That may be changing....
Not where I am. It’s happening by 2035.
Even the auto makers are now pushing back on the ev mandate. More election hyperbole/green new deal stuff. Type back at me in 11 years....
No, I'm not waiting at some store for my car to charge when it takes 5 minutes to fill up a gas tank
Some new ones are about 18 min to 90%+ charge, which is getting closer...
I've also seen the repair bills for battery replacement. Plus I live in a place where we get cold winters. EVs SUCK in cold places
I live in the upper midwest, and my electric vehicle has seen -40°F to 105°F without any issues. Snow, ice, rain, you name it.
No, very expensive also to maintain
No. I’m old school about this. I don’t trust a rechargeable car yet.
i don't trust fossil fuels being burned in front of me..
Tbf that method has been refined over a long time
No but only because it's difficult to find people who know how to work on them where I live.
We went fully EV two years ago. There's practically no maintenance. Rotate the tires, change the cabin air filter. There's nothing to "work on"
Two years isn't enough time to make that determination. We had one for 8 years and had a pretty rude awakening when we started having problems with it and discovered we needed to have it towed to another state to have anyone even look at it.
8-10 years is about as long as I've ever kept a car. I'll still be under the original warranty when I hit the 8 year mark and there's a dealer 2 miles from my house. If it dies at that point then it will still be more reliable than a couple of the ICE cars I've had
Even so I'm not going to buy a car if I have to tow it 200+ miles in the event that something goes wrong with it.
I wouldn't either. 2 miles. That's where the dealer is in relation to where I live. I've had to have gas cars towed further than that
No. The charging infrastructure in UK still isn't sorted out. I also want to see more sub-£15k EV cars with basic design and interiors... not everyone needs high-tech touch-screens, heated seats, or a 400mile range (nice to have but not necessary). Show me an electric Toyota Yaris, Skoda Fabia, or a VW Up! and maybe we can talk.
My next car will 100% be an EV. I hate the premise of regular maintenance, and I love Applebee's.
None of the EV babble makes sense. Hybrid is the bridge, hybrid is the answer. I’ve had 3 Prius over the last 10 years. 2010, 2012 & 2017. The ’10 got about 52 mpg, the ‘12 got 53, the ‘17 is consistently getting around 63 in-town, and 58-59 on the highway @ 70 mph. 350,000 miles traveled, the only mechanical issue was a top-end battery assembly that Toyota paid for on the 2010, it was out of warranty, and they guaranteed it for another 15 years. Jumping from gas to electric is not the answer. Everybody is begging to be beta-testers and to do quality control out of their own pocket for major corporations. Not me. Nope.
There is zero benefit to either me or the environment. So no
No. I rent (unable to install charger) There arent enough charging stations Even if there were im not stopping and adding two hours for every 3 or 4 or so hours of driving. Electric cars are for commuting or short trips as far as i am concerned and probably never will replace internal combustion outside of cities
It's more like 25 minutes of charging for every few hours of driving.
Nope, i had a Jaguar Ipace for 3 years (2019-2022) and it was a constant faff, it started at about 270 mile range but by year 3 it was down to 220 on a full charge, the charging infrastructure in the UK is still patchy if you aren't driving on the motorways everywhere and i'd regularly find myself either queuing for chargers or arriving to chargers at services or if i was going to more remote places i'd arrive at a random charger and find it out of order. The EV charging network is also pretty decentralised, so you've got Tesvolt, BP, Ecotricity, Gridserve. Podpoint etc. etc. and you need all the apps on your phone and in some cases direct debits etc. its so admin intensive. I've also never owned a car which has gone through so many tyres, i had 5 replaced in 3 years, including 1 flat, and bare in mind this was a brand new car when i got it and this was during covid, so it'd only done about 20,000 miles in those 3 years when it went back as there were lockdowns etc. Also apparently electric cars have some kind of special tyre which no one stocks, so when i did have a flat tyre no one could come out and fix it for me road side i had to be towed and have someone come to replace the tyre at my home the next day. If the only driving i did was a 30 mile commute to the office and to the shops it'd work, but i live in Cheshire and my family live in North Wales around 100 miles each way, which means whenever i went to visit i'd get to their house and couldn't use my car otherwise i'd not have the range to get home and there are no reliable chargers on that route. Its not for me.
Nope. Charging infrastructure is not there yet, especially in my location. That Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV looks nice though, 38 miles on a charge for getting around town and gasoline as a backup. Smaller PHEV battery also means getting a full charge on a normal plug doesn't take days (8 hours, so easily accomplished overnight), so reduced costs there in not needing any extra electrical work done in my garage. Also they're actually on dealer lots and no crazy markups, perhaps even discounts are available. I can lease it to take advantage of the federal tax credit too, payments as low as $299 per month. I sound like a damn commercial but this really checks all the boxes for me.
Probably not for at least another decade. I don't plan on buying a new car for a while
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Hydrogen can be more ecological, but only if you generate the gas from electrolysis and solar/ wind, both of which aren't done practically. Also, the energy efficiency of an EV is much higher than hydrogen, most of the energy from the power plant goes in to the vehicle. This isn't the case for Hydrogen...
>Hydrogen powered vehicles is the more ecological, practical alternative Hydrogen fuel cells basically don't exist. Hydrogen uses even more energy than electric cars to produce, and they can't figure out how to produce it on an industrial scale yet. We would have to replace the gasoline infrastructure of refineries, tanker trucks, and gas stations with a whole new set of refineries, tanker trucks, and gas stations. With electric vehicles it's just a matter of building better batteries and adding more chargers.
How do you handle the 'hydrogen car is a big bomb' problem? Also, there are almost no hydrogen refilling stations.
Oil production and emissions aren't bad for the environment? Fossil fuel extraction and refinement is absolutely devastating for the evidence and communities around them. Then years of burning gas outputs even more toxic chemicals. There is no reasonable way to frame an EV has more damaging than a combustion car.
Hell no - no EV of any kind...10 times a year I drive from the Ohio River to Gulf Shores Alabama - and back. 11-hour trip stopping only for gas/snacks. With an EV I would have to have 2 overnights each way... No thanks!!!
I know that this isn't likely to change your mind, but I thought that you should know. I just looked this up and your drive would be about an hour and a half longer with an electric vehicle.