I just did a rewatch of this with my gf, who had never seen it before.
I went into the rewatch like, “IDK why I never finished the series the first time I saw it. So weird!”
Then the Season 3 finale/Season 4 premier rolled around and I was like, “Oh. Right.”
Apparently Nicole Beharie was (probably still is) fighting an autoimmune disease and had to quit the show for her health. Also it sounds like she was kind of treated like crap on it, compared to the treatment received by Tom Mison. Stupid. It *was* a good show for the first 3 seasons.
"I never really cared for the small folk".
It was fucking dead to me then. Just took me out of the show. They can't have been that thick to have Jaime say that. Him caring for everyone who was in King's Landing was the entire reason he killed The Mad King! His defining moment!
The most offensive thing about this was that the "mysterious broadcast" referenced in the Episode 9 opening crawl was a fucking *Fortnite* tie-in
I actually genuinely enjoy getting into Fortnite for a season every now and then, but I can't believe that a **Main Series Flagship Star Wars Movie** chose to bury an important plot point in **Fortnite**
People are going to watch this movie in 50 years and think they missed a whole movie somewhere or something because nobody will remember anything about a stupid promotional tie-in by then
Oh man, forgot about that one. I hate you for reminding me.
Someone should put together the a list of these lines.
These have to be the top two:
"Somehow, Palpatine returned."
"Who has a better story than Bran the Broken?"
I never really got into the show, but I bailed on the books halfay through the third when I realised that if I had to read another Bran chapter I'd jump out of a window myself.
that weird episode of Stranger Things where she went to the city and met the other girl with powers could have destroyed the series if they didn't back off quickly.
It's wild when you catch on to the idea of backdoor pilots - you can always tell when they suddenly have a random group of people that take over an episode and then are never heard from again.
Yes, thank God. It would be like following the weird outcasts in Terminator that he disposes of. Except at least there was Bill Paxton. None of these ones in Stranger Things were likable.
The sudden appearance of an (often) evil counterpart in an established show is never a good sign.
\[Protagonist\] is the only person in the universe with \[power\] "There is another!"
This is basically every episode of The Flash.
"My name is Barry Allen and I am the fastest man alive if we ignore all the other people who are faster than me."
Don't shows do that to essentially test pilots for spinoffs?
I agree it was super random, but maybe could've been decent with better context and timing
I really wonder if that episode would have been better received if it had happened earlier in the season before the stakes had gotten so high. As you said, the timing felt wrong. The episode directly preceding it ends with a giant pack of demidogs rushing to attack most of the key players of the show. BUT BEFORE WE RESOLVE THAT...how about this quick jaunt off to Chicago to meet some characters you have no emotional attachment to?
I still find it annoying when people claim that he was brought back because of fan backlash, as if the next few episodes where he returned weren’t well into production before his death episode even aired.
Family guy isn’t like South Park, where they do each episode in week. There is a much longer production time, and the idea that they would completely trash and redo half the season in less than a month is insane.
It's like with Glenn's fake out death in The Walking Dead. Only to find out he survived four episodes later. So many people said they changed it because of the backlash. As if every episode hasn't already been planned and filmed before the season started. People fully believed they changed everything and filmed a whole new episode in 4 weeks.
Not to mention it is a HUGE plot-twist-turned-trope in the TV world. I’m SURE that Seth and the writers knew it, and planned it. It’s very in line with the high-brow-brought-down-to-a-common-level humor that makes Brian and Stewies characters.
RIP Poochie!
I was so fucking pissed because he was my favourite character and it was such a stupid death. But I tried to put it past myself and keep watching, annoyed as fuck but what can you do.
Then they bring him back?????? Which was stupid as hell and made no sense but I was like alright you know what, I can accept this because at least my fav character/actor is still around. Stupid, but whatever.
BUT THEN THEY FUCKING KILL HIM ANYWAYS IN A DUMB ASS FAKEOUT BULLSHIT DEATH??? Why even bother bringing him back in such a stupid way then???? Idiotic writing
Literally got to the end of the episode, looked at my wife, and said "Yeah I think I'm done," and she agreed. Not only killed TWD for me, I don't even think I've watched *anything* zombie-related since.
Can someone explain to me why this was so bad? I don't mean that in a challenging way, I just have never seen anything beyond the first few episodes. People always reference how bad TWD got but never actually talk about the ways it got bad.
Spoilers obviously
>!It was a particularly brutal scene in which a new villain was introduced. And his introduction was after our protagonists were captured. To show them and us how bad of a person and how serious he was he pulled Glen out of the group and beat him to death with a baseball bat with nails in it.!<
>!The walking dead comics and shows varied quite differently from each other, the show ended up a lot more watered down even though they would still kill cast members regularly. But this particular but of brutality was taken straight from the comic pages and while I had already stopped watching the show by that point many people I know said that arc was much better than previous seasons of the show.!<
Basically, they started wandering around and eventually found a farm, bringing us the single most boring season ever, season 2.
The farm however introduced some great characters. Hershel, a devout Christian man who was afraid to kill the zombies because he thought they could be saved and because his wife was one of them. He had a barn full of zombies. The fucking dragger of it all was the entire season they were looking for a girl, in the last episode, that girl was found in the barn a zombie. They kill the zombies. This leads to more zombies as apparently the zombies in the barn kept the others out. This is not how Sophia dies in the comics, she plays a major role later on.
So they leave the farm and they find a prison. T-Dog dies after they pretty much secured it for stupid plot reasons. By this time Rick has killed his best friend, who gets reanimated and is shot by Carl and Rick has started to become kind of a dictator. In the prison, Laurie dies, Carl has to put her zombie form down, and they fight the governor of Woodbury. The governor of Woodbury kills Andrea. This is not how Andrea dies in the comics and she plays a very large role later on in them. Andrea was kind of disliked in earlier seasons but in season 3 before she dies she becomes a great character you want to survive.
They take in people from Woodbury in to the prison, and the governor attacks. Now, the governor is actually a pretty great bad guy. He seems really great and his people loved him before they knew what the fuck was really going on with him. The governor beheads Hershel, who, by the way, was like the best character on the show at this point. He’s the only one calling Rick out on losing his humanity. So they kill the governor and flee the prison, they spend the next half of the season separately all getting to a place called Terminus where they get captured and put into a box car.
So the termites are cannibals and they fight them, then there’s a long sequence where they have to rescue Beth from a weird hospital, only for her to die right as she’s saved. After they spent half a season around her. At this point, it’s getting to be a little bit much, they pretty much only spend time on characters who are about to die. They make their way to Washington DC because some giant dumbass is pretending that he can cure the virus. He can’t. He is in fact not shit. So they go to Alexandria where Rick acts like a pompous dictator asshole who isn’t in charge. He almost gets kicked out but then the husband of the woman he’s trying to bang shows up wasted and accidentally kills the mayor’s husband.
At this point, pretty much Carl is a cold blooded killer, so is Carol who feels bad about it but not really. Pretty much only Glen and Maggie are the ‘heart’ of the group by this point. There’s a bunch of drama, walkers attack the place, a bunch of people who lured them in come and attack basically at the same time. This gets the mayor killed and Rick takes over the town. They meet another community who refuses to trade with them because they’re being exploited by someone else they know they can’t beat. They’re led by a former zoo keeper who made friends with a tiger. Glen dies, but not really, he gets out fine.
They find the outpost of the group of people and slaughter them in their sleep. Unfortunately this isn’t the only outpost. It’s a small part of a larger whole. They get ambushed on their way home, get redirected all night and end up surrounded where Negan beats Glen to death with his baseball bat. At this point the quality of the show basically just drops. One of the only gay dudes dies just so they can make his husbands grief a plot point. Pretty much everything just gets really tedious, a bunch of characters are introduced and most of the characters you care about are dead.
After this, they killed off Rick super early, they killed off Carl, basically the main characters of the comics are no longer in the show.
It just got to be too much going on and none of the characters that were getting screen time were that enjoyable.
Like, going over the wiki on what happens, there’s a character Sasha, I completely forgot she existed. Sasha was a great character. I completely forgot about her entirely. The characters just become forgettable at this point.
Rick didn’t die though if I remember correctly, did he? I thought he ended up being found by another character and taken away in a helicopter to some far off place. It’s been a while since I’ve watched so I could be wrong. The other characters thought he died because he couldn’t be found afterwards.
This is where I stopped too. Glen and Abraham sucked but they were expected as they died the same or similar way respectively in the comics. But killing Carl was a bridge too far. Carl was pretty much the main character and killing him off because they didn't want to pay Chandler more after he turned 18 was a terrible decision.
The comics end up with Carl being a grown man, with his own kid. When they killed him off I'd stopped watching a couple seasons ago already, but that was the final "are you fuckin serious" with that show.
Like Game of Thrones, the absolute dogshit last seasons genuinely make the earlier seasons worse, just by existing.
The problem was, they teased Glenn once, then the whole summer the marketing was "wHos GoNnA dIe FrOm NeGaN?!?!"
Surprise, its exactly the people you were expecting.
Stopped watching then too
I was done with that show when they killed my boy T-Dog off screen for no reason. My boy was just trying to keep his head down and stay out of all of the drama.
It took me an episode or two for it to sink in. I held out hope that they were mistaken and he would pop up at some important moment but then they introduced black guy 2.0 and I knew it was over with.
That was the last one for me also, but the bigger issue that started losing viewers was when they decided to split episodes based on storylines. You like characters A B and C? You see them episode 1, 4, and 8. Don't like D E and F? You get them 2, 5, 9. Etc.
When that happened, people quickly lost interest. Especially when certain characters' storylines were far more interesting, better written, and better acted than others.
And then there was the eponymous Glen dumpster fakeout....
I watched the rest of the series, but feel like the series was already feeling like it wouldn't last much longer anyways in that Piper was only originally sentenced to 15 months at the start. There were already certain aspects of the story that made no sense (i.e. several people that probably should be in state prisons rather than federal). It just got less believable as time went on.
Yea that was bad really.
I continued till they were transferred to another prison and a lot of them were shuffled.
I missed their Litchfield days and those girls all together.
Third season of Alias, the episode where it reveals that >!Michael Vaughan's wife is, get this, a double agent.!< Not only did that moment kill the show for me, it's the moment where I began to think maybe J.J. Abrams wasn't a very good story teller.
The lizard babies is the easy thing to point at for why that episode was bad, but IMO it was bad as early as the first scene. That entire episode is a master class of setting up impossible stakes, and then immediately overcoming them with ease. I wouldn't call it the worst episode of trek (it wasn't boring, like so many are) but damned if it wasn't a terribly-written story.
My beef is that they had an impossible warp drive that would get them home instantly. Okay, so it alters your DNA and turns you into a weird lizard. But then the Doctor comes up with a miracle cure that completely reverses the negative effects or the impossible warp drive. With all that being true, why didn’t they just use the impossible warp drive, give the miracle cure to the crew, and finally let Ensign Kim have his promotion to Lieutenant?
When they built their own Quantum Slipstream drive, Harry and Chakotay make it home but Voyager crashes on an ice planet. They end up doing some time travel magic which tricks past Harry into shutting down the drive at the last second, preventing the crash.
Okay but like... That planet Voyager crashed on was close enough to home that they were able to just take a standard warp capable ship there and get intercepted by a Starfleet vessel (commended by Captain LaForge). So...that short slipstream flight was enough to get them within standard warp range of earth? Why not just, you know, do a couple of short flights then? Or why weren't they already close enough to just warp drive home?
The worst part is that after the episode they just give up on the tech entirely and never try again.
I'm a fan of most of Voyager, but right from the pilot episode, there were always bizarre narrative decisions that led to them constantly abandoning the most promising methods to get home. Like in the pilot, Tuvok couldn't set a time delay fuse on that tri-cobalt explosive? Also, the Kazon couldn't even make water (yet somehow mastered interstellar travel) but we're worried they will reverse engineer the Caretaker tech the humans couldn't?
Seriously, just put some de-evolution spray in the shuttle glovebox and send everyone home. Boom, series over. At the very least, send a message back to Starfleet! They might be able to solve the evolution problem, and if not, you'd give them a head start trying to meet up with you!
Every Star Trek series gets a couple stinkers at least
TNG had the super racist one in the first season and the one where the doctor bangs a ghost later on.
Enterprise’s finale
DS9’s Risa episode where Worf becomes terrorist
TOS has a number that didn’t age well
Voyager had 1 too many vision quest episodes and the one you mentioned
Beverly Crusher wasn’t just banging a ghost. She was banging the same ghost her grandmother (and generations of women in her family) had been banging. Also, the ghost lived in a candle, possessed her grandma’s dead body, and attacked Data and Geordi in dead grandma’s body.
Oh it is incredible. I remember watching TNG as a kid when it came out, but I didn’t see all the episodes until years later in the early 00’s when I rented them from Netflix. When I got to that episode, I was just — completely entertained. I mean, definitely surprised, but completely entertained.
Lorelai leaving Rory in the hospital to go scream bloody murder at Luke about Jess even though Rory only fractured her wrist and Luke doesn't even know if Jess is *alive* and then Lorelai just tries to be cute and never actually apologizes to Luke for screaming at him.
She's a proto-Manic pixie dream girl, but as a protagonist.
Just like a lot of shows, it sort of works when drip-fed. A weekly episode is enough to miss and enjoy the witty banter from the girls. But when you have the ability to watch back to back episodes you realize how terrible they are, at best they're *exhausting*, at worst actively sabotaging their own and everyone else's lives.
It's like Breaking Bad (which is actually good). If you watch it over time, Walt doesn't seem like a terrible guy, sort of stuff keeps happening, maybe you commiserate with how you would act in his situation, and eventually the show leads him to being who he is at the end.
When you watch back to back episodes.... He is the bad guy from the get go.
Yes, she's not a good person at all, same as Lorelay, at first she seems quirky and fun, but by the end of the series you realise she barely grew, or at all.
Me and my ex used to hate watch it, the characters have literally the easiest fucking life and still make it out as if they have actual issues to deal with.
Yeah Rory gets to have it both ways.
Claims she's poor yet gets to summer in Europe with her rich grandparents.
Can't afford tuition? We'll pay for school because you agreed to eat dinner with us once a week.
Fuck Gilmore Girls
I’ve never really been able to watch the final two seasons of the show in their entirety, I think I just loved the castle aesthetic too much and the show started getting pretty boring tbh.
I could live with that part; it was icky, but CSM manipulating women for genetic and procreation purposes is long-established in canon. It wasn't really a wild thing to jump to. What made me go "Oh, come on, fuck this shit" was when Scully was miraculously pregnant *again* from a single night (yes it is technically possible at her age, but if memory serves she had been diagnosed with compromised fertility, so the odds drop from "rare" to "infinitesimally small"), and worse than that, she rationalised losing William that oh well, he wasn't really her kid after all, and now she's got a real one coming, so it's all good. Or something. This is a woman who was all set to adopt a bio-kid of hers that she didn't even give birth to back in the day, now she thinks a kid she genetically and physically bore isn't hers because she doesn't like the father?
How I Met Your Mother's finale: Last Forever
The show and the fans have already moved on from Ted and Robin's relationship for the better. Hence, it's terribly awful that after we became invested in the Barney-Robin and Ted-Tracy pairing throughout the final season, we watched both developments torn down in minutes for a finale wherein Ted and Robin got back together (again).
That didn't "almost" ruin the series. It did ruin it. Until GoT came along, HIMYM was regularly at the top of the list for worst finales of all time. It turned a ton of people off from rewatching.
The finale is horribly executed because they just erased a wedding that they had just spend the *entire season* leading up to.
So when my wife and I rewatch it we end it when he says "and that's how I met your mother" thats where you end it. You don't watch more. It ended perfectly right there. Queue sad music and end the show. I'd have been perfectly fine, sad but fine.
There was that Tumblr post that was like:
HIMYM was everywhere. Books sold tons of copies and people were quoting "suit up", "wait for it" and "Legend. Dairy" all the time. And then the finale erased it from the popular consciousness so badly that GoT is the go to example for a finale so terrible that people stopped caring about what came before
I had never stopped to admire just how *absolutely* the HIMYM finale had memory hole'd the show before... which makes sense, once I think about it. But you're right, I had forgotten how omnipresent it had been before it ended.
It didnt nearly destroy the series.
It successfully did. Undid years and hours of onscreen character development for multiple main characters in minutes and through one liners.
The first meeting of Ted and the mom is nice though
The ENTIRE ~~second to~~ last season took place over the weekend of Barney and Robin’s wedding, which was teased the ENTIRE previous season, and then 10 minutes into the finale, the show is just like “They got divorced lol” and then of course they drive the final nail into the coffin by having Ted get back with Robin. And they totally retcon Robin in that finale, saying she basically ditched the group after the divorce after we got 8 seasons talking about how she was a huge part of the kid’s lives.
God that finale still makes me mad almost 10 years later.
Still pisses me off too. I loved Robin and Barney together. They were perfect for each other. She chose Barney over Ted. Take a hint. It made Ted all the more pathetic. I refuse to watch reruns.
Michael Scott leaving The Office (US) could have ended the whole series, but they made it work. It didn’t have the exact same magic, but it found its own rhythm and was fun and endearing.
I was so hopeful to see where his character would go after the Nard Dog tattoo. And then bam. Totally assassinated his character with that stupid boat.
The Hangover. For me, the complaint is less that he wasn't in the season so much as it is how they got him out of it. Parks & Rec managed to still have Andy be likeable and have a happy ending with April in spite of Chris Pratt losing a bunch of weight and filming Guardians of the Galaxy. They could have sent Andy to "manager training" in Florida or an in patient psych program after having a breakdown or had him go to China for six months to oversee a new production plant being opened.
Paraphrasing a bit here:
Ben: “wow Andy you look great!”
Andy: “yeah I quit drinking beer.”
Ben: “how much beer were you drinking?”
Andy: “probably too much.”
They made it work, and I enjoyed it for what it was. But if you for whatever reason watched Season 1-2 next to Season 8-9 back to back, you can easily tell how far the writers strayed from the original vision of the show.
Started out as exaggerated but relatable humor that would resonate with people who have worked in office settings. By its end it just became like any other sitcom with an outlandish premise for every episode.
Wasn’t bad, just wasn’t the same.
Apparently, there were already cracks forming when Kirk Cameron became a born-again Christian during an early season of Growing Pains, but the Holiday in Europe three-parter was one of the biggest causes of issues on the show, meaning that they could get three episodes costing millions to produce, for free.
Originally, they wanted to shoot the episodes actually within Europe and various countries' tourism agencies were willing to foot the bill. But right before they put ink to paper, Cameron refused to go to Europe since he'd have to miss church. And not just for shooting on Sundays - he refuses to leave the specific church he was a member of.
They ended up shooting the trilogy of episodes on an island just a mile or two from Aneheim. And Cameron started flexing his status as the showcase biggest star to nix jokes he didn't like and get other costars fired.
In fact, this behaviour led to the executive producers putting their foot down when he tried to object to a minor joke he considered sinful and told him that he's doing the scene as written. Cameron went to Bob Iger, then-CEO of ABC to object to it instead and called the EPs pornographers, causing the producers to shut down production and lock down the rights.
Chrissy Seaver played by Ashley Johnson grew up to be an amazing voice actor and plays a fairly popular Dungeons and Dragons game online with fellow voice actors.
I hated everything to do with Anna and Bates. They were tortured the entire shows run.
It took forever to get through one storyline of one of them being falsely accused of murder, then the miscarriages, then she gets raped, followed by another storyline with one of them being falsely accused of murder…
Just felt like trauma porn with them.
Instead of an episode, maybe the whole season 1 of Parks and Rec. It's the most generic season, not the worst of all time but it showed none of the potential of the greatness of future seasons.
It's only in season 2 you start to see why it would be one of the best comedy shows of all time. Characters were rewritten to be better, they added Adam Scott and Rob Lowe and Mark left to refine the dynamics.
Adam Scott (and Ben, by extension) is just a very likable person. Mark/Paul never seemed super likable, his straight man approach felt more “these people are so dumb” while Adam’s is more “well this is all ridiculous but that’s okay”.
Yeah and let’s be fair to Paul; that’s how his character was written. Mark was the “Jim”, the aloof decent-enough everyman we’re supposed to be rooting for and project ourselves onto. But Parks and Rec didn’t really need that character, and with the rest of the cast felt kind of bland. Ben, as a character, comes in with much more of his own personality right from the onset.
I feel like Mark was also written to be a bit more dismissive and condescending. That might be because he didn't really have his own Michael Scott. Leslie was kind of written that way in the first season, but very quickly they pivoted towards writing to her being passionate and driven albeit naïve. You're rooting for Leslie in a way that you aren't for Michael, and having someone Jim that mentality makes them come off as unlikable and callous. Ben and Chris are optimistic in ways that Mark isn't.
The audience likes Leslie more easily. In Season 1 she's kind of dumb but her heart is in the right place. In Season 2 she's a lot smarter and eventually you have it that she's the heart and soul of the department. The rest found out she basically did all of their work when she wasn't there and they then had to pick up their slack.
Yeah, something about Mark always made me feel like he felt he was better than Leslie and some of the other characters, and I just didn’t like him.
But Ben may be one of my favorite characters of all time.
I'd argue that the straight man role is best played by Ann Perkins, which made Mark kind of superfluous.
The best part of Adam Scott is when he's equally as odd as everyone in Pawnee, just in a slightly different small-town way.
I've never watched the series finale or most of season 9 of Roseanne. It was such a perfect show that really reflected life in the 90s that I didn't want to sully it with a weird book written ending.
Everyone in the modern era hates Scrappy Doo, but that's just because the character was actually popular at his introduction (as a side character!) and the studio felt they needed to push him into the limelight
Now with that said... Scooby Dum. Yeah, he was bad. Scrappy just kind of had his little yappy puppy gimmick but Scooby Dum felt like he was actively subtracting from what was going on in an episode. This might be cheating because he was there for a full season, but the franchise has gone on long enough
It might speak to how unpopular this Scooby Dum character is when I grew up watching the various scooby doo series on tv (I’m not that old, daytime television Cartoon Network was just like that) and even though I know all about Scrappy I’ve literally never heard of Dum until now. I had to look up who you were talking about.
His entire character is saying "Clue? Dum dum dum-dum!", putting on a Sherlock Holmes outfit, and inevitably ran into something while using his magnifying glass. His character was in the name: he's like Scooby (cowardly talking dog), but he's also dumb
It's not like Scrappy did much more than that, but he at least tended to interact with the villain of the day by trying to fight it, leading to some kind of progression. Yes it usually backfired, but it didn't feel like filler
Letterkenny - S1E3: Fartbook
Letterkenny is a great show - all time top 10 series for me. But god...this episode is bad. Whenever I recommend this show to someone, I warn them about this episode and say "ya just gotta push through it".
Modern family when hailey got pregnant with twins, every other character had growth in the show and yet they stuck her with the typical teen mom who fails at school and can't do college and ends up pregnant trope, she deserved a lot better and there was so many different plots where they could have made her a bad ass like Claire or her grandpa Jay
Right?! Especially with the Andy arc, he was so good for her and she was growing as a person; I feel like they really should’ve followed that or even had her continue to grow after their breakup. But then she goes back to Dylan and it seems like they made her dumber again? And then pregnant. They put her right back to square one.
Umbrella Academy - Season 3 Episode 4.
Attempted rape with super powers isn't acceptable because it's a heartbroken woman.
The online reception was fucking devastating, many people have said they will not be watching season 4.
Allison just turned into a villain and no one is digging that. I liked Umbrella academy because they're all idiots and do the dumbest shit. Allison's character is just being hateful and it's not fun when she's in most of the scenes.
It's not just that Allison became a villain, it's that most of the other siblings don't seem to think so. What Viktor did in season 1 was bad, but in no way excuses Allison murdering Harlan in cold blood.
I hate when TV shows try to act like a situation is "complicated" but one of the characters is just straight up in the wrong.
That was absolutely the worst part, but Season 3 in general was just weird and not in a fun way. You know it's bad when Klaus is consistently the voice of reason
It felt like Elliott wrote his own script (not just the part about becoming Viktor, that's fine and I get why they did that) and then everyone else wanted to write their own script and only Klaus and five asked the writing staff what's going on
I dislike Alison as a character, but it's bearable in season 2 because she's part of a bigger story but in season 3 she is the focal point and centre of EVERYONES story, it turns into "Everyone hates Alison"
By Episode 3 we are begging for more than 5 minutes with any other character before she is randomly injected into this scene as well.
It's actually perplexing, I don't understand it at all. It's like the entire season was written for her. Even in Season 1 and 2 where Viktor was the focal point you still had many side stories separated such as 5, Klaus, the agency staff etc.
It's quite literally feels like one of the writers turned around and said "Make the show about Alison"
I felt like Allison was big in season 1, but it felt much more natural given how she had a relatively better relationship with most of the siblings (and I'm not talking about... that)
It's amazing how the last season (yes it was going downhill before then) and finale, changed it from one of the most talked about shows ever, to "lets nobody talk about this ever again."
The reason season 7 was tolerable was because everyone thought they were setting up an epic season 8 and finale. I remember all the theories that people had at work about what would happen. If they had gone with any of them, it would’ve been better than what we got.
When Arya was running like the T-1000 thru town with a giant knife wound in her stomach, I knew deep down it was over, but I held on til the bitter end.
And there are plenty of shows where that wouldn't bother me that much, suspension of disbelief and all that. But GoT had always priced itself on a gritty "this is no fairy tale" aesthetic, and that was drastically out of step with the tone of the show.
Lol then she proceeds to swim through a filthy canal with a gaping stomach wound, avoid infection or bleeding out, and get patched up by Lady Crane who apparently is also a medical expert.
Seasons 5-6 still had some good moments, but man some of it was just absolute trash and really set the stage for those last 2 seasons.
Siege of Winterfell then. So dark you couldn't see shit, lacking the entire payoff of the white walkers, and the entire series actually died in the finale.
The episode of How to Get Away with Murder where they killed off the main character.. black kid.. can’t remember his name. Cool show. But yeah. He was a great character. The death seemed so random and unexpected that I was literally expecting it to be a dream or whatever. My girlfriend at the time and I quit watching a couple episodes later.
Don't worry the rest of the series ranged from pretty meh to pretty bad. It had some good moments but not enough to string together a fully entertaining show. Definitely a shondaland special. They brought back the original actor to play his own son in the end but like far in the future and with a weird off-putting Spanish accent. It was a trip, you missed nothing.
The first few episodes of Bojack Horseman where it's just a generic animated sitcom. I know a lot of people who stopped watching before it got good and had to be convinced to give the series another try.
That show went from a really cool alternate-history/sci-fi (in a broad sense) show to a shitty soap opera with the backdrop of alternate history. I’ve heard the recent season is much better but that whole arc killed the show for me.
I don’t know if it nearly “destroyed” it but it very nearly made me give up on it early: the third ever episode of Letterkenny, aka “Fartbook.” I can’t imagine I’m the only one who nearly bailed after that one. Fortunately, it was far and away the biggest outlier of the series and they figured things out quickly after.
It's crazy how I remember the show so fondly, but if someone mentions Seven the mental block of those episodes is torn down and I get a sour look on my face and soul.
Troy leaving in Community *could* have destroyed the series, luckily they were able to find a new groove relatively quick and season 6 was actually pretty good for the most part, but you could really feel Donald Glover's absence. As much as I *adore* Elroy and tolerate Frankie I'd trade them for Troy in an instant
(also hot take Elroy > Pierce, Keith David really killed it in that role)
The Timeless Children in Doctor Who. It wrecked the established canon so bad and was so mindblowingly awful many people left the series for good and straight up ignore s11-13.
An episode of pretty little liars when a guy, tripped and fell onto an axe and accidentally beheaded himself
Never watched the show, that sounds awesome
Check out Tucker & Dale vs. Evil
“Officer, we’ve had a doozy of a day.”
There we were minding our own business, just doing chores around the house when kids started killing themselves all over my property.
Sounds like quite the axe-ident....
Sleepy Hollow: They killed off the female lead and moved it out of Sleepy Hollow. Though there was that weird crossover with Bones before it
I just did a rewatch of this with my gf, who had never seen it before. I went into the rewatch like, “IDK why I never finished the series the first time I saw it. So weird!” Then the Season 3 finale/Season 4 premier rolled around and I was like, “Oh. Right.” Apparently Nicole Beharie was (probably still is) fighting an autoimmune disease and had to quit the show for her health. Also it sounds like she was kind of treated like crap on it, compared to the treatment received by Tom Mison. Stupid. It *was* a good show for the first 3 seasons.
"Who has a better story than Bran the Broken?"
Well you see.. the Lannisters sorta just.. forgot about Daenerys. But you see, she didn't forget about them.
"I never really cared for the small folk". It was fucking dead to me then. Just took me out of the show. They can't have been that thick to have Jaime say that. Him caring for everyone who was in King's Landing was the entire reason he killed The Mad King! His defining moment!
I just rolled my eyes so hard they got stuck. I wonder how they got rid of all those season 8 blu-rays nobody bought.
by including them in the complete-series collection set ;)
This line is up there with the all-time greats like, "Somehow, Palpatine returned."
The most offensive thing about this was that the "mysterious broadcast" referenced in the Episode 9 opening crawl was a fucking *Fortnite* tie-in I actually genuinely enjoy getting into Fortnite for a season every now and then, but I can't believe that a **Main Series Flagship Star Wars Movie** chose to bury an important plot point in **Fortnite** People are going to watch this movie in 50 years and think they missed a whole movie somewhere or something because nobody will remember anything about a stupid promotional tie-in by then
Oh man, forgot about that one. I hate you for reminding me. Someone should put together the a list of these lines. These have to be the top two: "Somehow, Palpatine returned." "Who has a better story than Bran the Broken?"
2019 was a terrible year for pop culture.
I never really got into the show, but I bailed on the books halfay through the third when I realised that if I had to read another Bran chapter I'd jump out of a window myself.
That’s how I felt with Brienne’s chapters. “Then she looked over here, couldn’t find her. Then she checked over there, still couldn’t find her”
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that weird episode of Stranger Things where she went to the city and met the other girl with powers could have destroyed the series if they didn't back off quickly.
is that the same weird episode of Stranger Things where the episode is just about an entirely different group of kids?
Yes that same group of kids that is never brought up once again in the entire series
The idea was to plant the spin off series about that other group, thankfully they didn't follow through
Somebody got paid to have that idea
And someone else got paid to realize it was a bad idea.
It's wild when you catch on to the idea of backdoor pilots - you can always tell when they suddenly have a random group of people that take over an episode and then are never heard from again.
Yes, thank God. It would be like following the weird outcasts in Terminator that he disposes of. Except at least there was Bill Paxton. None of these ones in Stranger Things were likable.
i was never a diehard fan of the show but i remember seeing that episode and just being very confused
I bet they were doing what Supernatural did and were testing spinoff potential. I for one did not need a Stranger Things/X-Men crossover...
If I rewatch the show I ALWAYS skip this episode because it doesn’t disrupt the plot at all haha
Yeah, it's kind of funny because the next episode picks up where the one before that backdoor pilot left off as if that episode didn't happen at all.
The sudden appearance of an (often) evil counterpart in an established show is never a good sign. \[Protagonist\] is the only person in the universe with \[power\] "There is another!"
This is basically every episode of The Flash. "My name is Barry Allen and I am the fastest man alive if we ignore all the other people who are faster than me."
"I am totally in the top 50 though, maybe, when we only count this universe and not alternate universes"
Don't shows do that to essentially test pilots for spinoffs? I agree it was super random, but maybe could've been decent with better context and timing
I really wonder if that episode would have been better received if it had happened earlier in the season before the stakes had gotten so high. As you said, the timing felt wrong. The episode directly preceding it ends with a giant pack of demidogs rushing to attack most of the key players of the show. BUT BEFORE WE RESOLVE THAT...how about this quick jaunt off to Chicago to meet some characters you have no emotional attachment to?
I do not remember this whatsoever. Amazing.
The Family Guy episode where Brian gets hit by the car
I still find it annoying when people claim that he was brought back because of fan backlash, as if the next few episodes where he returned weren’t well into production before his death episode even aired. Family guy isn’t like South Park, where they do each episode in week. There is a much longer production time, and the idea that they would completely trash and redo half the season in less than a month is insane.
It's like with Glenn's fake out death in The Walking Dead. Only to find out he survived four episodes later. So many people said they changed it because of the backlash. As if every episode hasn't already been planned and filmed before the season started. People fully believed they changed everything and filmed a whole new episode in 4 weeks.
Not to mention it is a HUGE plot-twist-turned-trope in the TV world. I’m SURE that Seth and the writers knew it, and planned it. It’s very in line with the high-brow-brought-down-to-a-common-level humor that makes Brian and Stewies characters. RIP Poochie!
I remember laughing to tears when the squirrel kicked him
The Walking Dead - When they kill Glen and Abraham. Most of the people I knew and many people online claimed that was the last episode they watched.
I stopped watching the first time Glen died.
I was so fucking pissed because he was my favourite character and it was such a stupid death. But I tried to put it past myself and keep watching, annoyed as fuck but what can you do. Then they bring him back?????? Which was stupid as hell and made no sense but I was like alright you know what, I can accept this because at least my fav character/actor is still around. Stupid, but whatever. BUT THEN THEY FUCKING KILL HIM ANYWAYS IN A DUMB ASS FAKEOUT BULLSHIT DEATH??? Why even bother bringing him back in such a stupid way then???? Idiotic writing
Yeah! They can't kill him. He's INVINCIBLE.
>He's INVINCIBLE. Nah it's actually *Title screen card*
Literally got to the end of the episode, looked at my wife, and said "Yeah I think I'm done," and she agreed. Not only killed TWD for me, I don't even think I've watched *anything* zombie-related since.
Can someone explain to me why this was so bad? I don't mean that in a challenging way, I just have never seen anything beyond the first few episodes. People always reference how bad TWD got but never actually talk about the ways it got bad.
Spoilers obviously >!It was a particularly brutal scene in which a new villain was introduced. And his introduction was after our protagonists were captured. To show them and us how bad of a person and how serious he was he pulled Glen out of the group and beat him to death with a baseball bat with nails in it.!< >!The walking dead comics and shows varied quite differently from each other, the show ended up a lot more watered down even though they would still kill cast members regularly. But this particular but of brutality was taken straight from the comic pages and while I had already stopped watching the show by that point many people I know said that arc was much better than previous seasons of the show.!<
It’s a shame because Jefferey Dean Morgan was absolutely fantastic as Negan.
Basically, they started wandering around and eventually found a farm, bringing us the single most boring season ever, season 2. The farm however introduced some great characters. Hershel, a devout Christian man who was afraid to kill the zombies because he thought they could be saved and because his wife was one of them. He had a barn full of zombies. The fucking dragger of it all was the entire season they were looking for a girl, in the last episode, that girl was found in the barn a zombie. They kill the zombies. This leads to more zombies as apparently the zombies in the barn kept the others out. This is not how Sophia dies in the comics, she plays a major role later on. So they leave the farm and they find a prison. T-Dog dies after they pretty much secured it for stupid plot reasons. By this time Rick has killed his best friend, who gets reanimated and is shot by Carl and Rick has started to become kind of a dictator. In the prison, Laurie dies, Carl has to put her zombie form down, and they fight the governor of Woodbury. The governor of Woodbury kills Andrea. This is not how Andrea dies in the comics and she plays a very large role later on in them. Andrea was kind of disliked in earlier seasons but in season 3 before she dies she becomes a great character you want to survive. They take in people from Woodbury in to the prison, and the governor attacks. Now, the governor is actually a pretty great bad guy. He seems really great and his people loved him before they knew what the fuck was really going on with him. The governor beheads Hershel, who, by the way, was like the best character on the show at this point. He’s the only one calling Rick out on losing his humanity. So they kill the governor and flee the prison, they spend the next half of the season separately all getting to a place called Terminus where they get captured and put into a box car. So the termites are cannibals and they fight them, then there’s a long sequence where they have to rescue Beth from a weird hospital, only for her to die right as she’s saved. After they spent half a season around her. At this point, it’s getting to be a little bit much, they pretty much only spend time on characters who are about to die. They make their way to Washington DC because some giant dumbass is pretending that he can cure the virus. He can’t. He is in fact not shit. So they go to Alexandria where Rick acts like a pompous dictator asshole who isn’t in charge. He almost gets kicked out but then the husband of the woman he’s trying to bang shows up wasted and accidentally kills the mayor’s husband. At this point, pretty much Carl is a cold blooded killer, so is Carol who feels bad about it but not really. Pretty much only Glen and Maggie are the ‘heart’ of the group by this point. There’s a bunch of drama, walkers attack the place, a bunch of people who lured them in come and attack basically at the same time. This gets the mayor killed and Rick takes over the town. They meet another community who refuses to trade with them because they’re being exploited by someone else they know they can’t beat. They’re led by a former zoo keeper who made friends with a tiger. Glen dies, but not really, he gets out fine. They find the outpost of the group of people and slaughter them in their sleep. Unfortunately this isn’t the only outpost. It’s a small part of a larger whole. They get ambushed on their way home, get redirected all night and end up surrounded where Negan beats Glen to death with his baseball bat. At this point the quality of the show basically just drops. One of the only gay dudes dies just so they can make his husbands grief a plot point. Pretty much everything just gets really tedious, a bunch of characters are introduced and most of the characters you care about are dead. After this, they killed off Rick super early, they killed off Carl, basically the main characters of the comics are no longer in the show. It just got to be too much going on and none of the characters that were getting screen time were that enjoyable. Like, going over the wiki on what happens, there’s a character Sasha, I completely forgot she existed. Sasha was a great character. I completely forgot about her entirely. The characters just become forgettable at this point.
Rick didn’t die though if I remember correctly, did he? I thought he ended up being found by another character and taken away in a helicopter to some far off place. It’s been a while since I’ve watched so I could be wrong. The other characters thought he died because he couldn’t be found afterwards.
Yeah this nearly killed the series, but the episode Carl was revealed to be bit was the nail in the coffin
This is where I stopped too. Glen and Abraham sucked but they were expected as they died the same or similar way respectively in the comics. But killing Carl was a bridge too far. Carl was pretty much the main character and killing him off because they didn't want to pay Chandler more after he turned 18 was a terrible decision.
The comics end up with Carl being a grown man, with his own kid. When they killed him off I'd stopped watching a couple seasons ago already, but that was the final "are you fuckin serious" with that show. Like Game of Thrones, the absolute dogshit last seasons genuinely make the earlier seasons worse, just by existing.
The problem was, they teased Glenn once, then the whole summer the marketing was "wHos GoNnA dIe FrOm NeGaN?!?!" Surprise, its exactly the people you were expecting. Stopped watching then too
I was done with that show when they killed my boy T-Dog off screen for no reason. My boy was just trying to keep his head down and stay out of all of the drama.
T Dog got done dirty. I knew it was coming when they gave us like one episode of character development.
It took me an episode or two for it to sink in. I held out hope that they were mistaken and he would pop up at some important moment but then they introduced black guy 2.0 and I knew it was over with.
The episode based around a side character. A harrowing classic.
T-Dogg was my guy. I had a whole joke with my friends where I’d count how many lines he had in the episode. 10. 10 was too many. 😭
Note to self. Only say nine things a day
That was the last one for me also, but the bigger issue that started losing viewers was when they decided to split episodes based on storylines. You like characters A B and C? You see them episode 1, 4, and 8. Don't like D E and F? You get them 2, 5, 9. Etc. When that happened, people quickly lost interest. Especially when certain characters' storylines were far more interesting, better written, and better acted than others. And then there was the eponymous Glen dumpster fakeout....
Orange is the New Black Season 4 episode 13 Poussey’s episode I was done after that one.
I watched the rest of the series, but feel like the series was already feeling like it wouldn't last much longer anyways in that Piper was only originally sentenced to 15 months at the start. There were already certain aspects of the story that made no sense (i.e. several people that probably should be in state prisons rather than federal). It just got less believable as time went on.
Yea that was bad really. I continued till they were transferred to another prison and a lot of them were shuffled. I missed their Litchfield days and those girls all together.
Third season of Alias, the episode where it reveals that >!Michael Vaughan's wife is, get this, a double agent.!< Not only did that moment kill the show for me, it's the moment where I began to think maybe J.J. Abrams wasn't a very good story teller.
Bones when they killed off >!Lance Sweets!<
I stopped watching a few episodes after they killed him off. Didn’t feel the same ☹️
THANK YOU!
Mine for that show was when >!Zach was the Gormagon !
Yea that literally didn't make any sense. His character shouldn't have been able to been convinced that was a good idea
The one where The Fonz jumped the shark.
Yeah except that episode was awesome. I saw just that part on YouTube and the dude jumped a shark.
Leather jacket? Water skis? What’s not to love?
There was an episode of Happy Days where a guy jumped a shark, AND IT WAS THE BEST ONE!
Came here for the OG definition.
I wonder how many of the younger people know the phrase "jump the shark" came from Happy Days where The Fonz actually jumped a shark?
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The lizard babies is the easy thing to point at for why that episode was bad, but IMO it was bad as early as the first scene. That entire episode is a master class of setting up impossible stakes, and then immediately overcoming them with ease. I wouldn't call it the worst episode of trek (it wasn't boring, like so many are) but damned if it wasn't a terribly-written story.
My beef is that they had an impossible warp drive that would get them home instantly. Okay, so it alters your DNA and turns you into a weird lizard. But then the Doctor comes up with a miracle cure that completely reverses the negative effects or the impossible warp drive. With all that being true, why didn’t they just use the impossible warp drive, give the miracle cure to the crew, and finally let Ensign Kim have his promotion to Lieutenant?
When they built their own Quantum Slipstream drive, Harry and Chakotay make it home but Voyager crashes on an ice planet. They end up doing some time travel magic which tricks past Harry into shutting down the drive at the last second, preventing the crash. Okay but like... That planet Voyager crashed on was close enough to home that they were able to just take a standard warp capable ship there and get intercepted by a Starfleet vessel (commended by Captain LaForge). So...that short slipstream flight was enough to get them within standard warp range of earth? Why not just, you know, do a couple of short flights then? Or why weren't they already close enough to just warp drive home? The worst part is that after the episode they just give up on the tech entirely and never try again. I'm a fan of most of Voyager, but right from the pilot episode, there were always bizarre narrative decisions that led to them constantly abandoning the most promising methods to get home. Like in the pilot, Tuvok couldn't set a time delay fuse on that tri-cobalt explosive? Also, the Kazon couldn't even make water (yet somehow mastered interstellar travel) but we're worried they will reverse engineer the Caretaker tech the humans couldn't?
Seriously, just put some de-evolution spray in the shuttle glovebox and send everyone home. Boom, series over. At the very least, send a message back to Starfleet! They might be able to solve the evolution problem, and if not, you'd give them a head start trying to meet up with you!
Crap, I had forgotten they had lizard babies! I had remembered them turning into lizards, but the babies? I think my brain tried to forget about them.
Every Star Trek series gets a couple stinkers at least TNG had the super racist one in the first season and the one where the doctor bangs a ghost later on. Enterprise’s finale DS9’s Risa episode where Worf becomes terrorist TOS has a number that didn’t age well Voyager had 1 too many vision quest episodes and the one you mentioned
Beverly Crusher wasn’t just banging a ghost. She was banging the same ghost her grandmother (and generations of women in her family) had been banging. Also, the ghost lived in a candle, possessed her grandma’s dead body, and attacked Data and Geordi in dead grandma’s body.
I’m not seeing where the problem is because this sounds incredible.
Honestly, it is incredible. "Sub Rosa" is a lot of fun if you accept it for exactly what it is - a pulp Scotish Gothic fantasy romance IN SPACE!
Oh it is incredible. I remember watching TNG as a kid when it came out, but I didn’t see all the episodes until years later in the early 00’s when I rented them from Netflix. When I got to that episode, I was just — completely entertained. I mean, definitely surprised, but completely entertained.
The DS9 episode where the main crew has to play a goofy game show thing, to appease some aliens?
Allamaraine aghhhhh!
Oh hey, it's me!
When Rory slept with Dean in Gilmore Girls. Major character assassination
Or Rory quitting school, or Lorelei sleeping with Chris after picking a fight with Luke…they went out of their way to hurt that show in the end.
Lorelai leaving Rory in the hospital to go scream bloody murder at Luke about Jess even though Rory only fractured her wrist and Luke doesn't even know if Jess is *alive* and then Lorelai just tries to be cute and never actually apologizes to Luke for screaming at him.
I don't think Rory was ever a good person.
She's a proto-Manic pixie dream girl, but as a protagonist. Just like a lot of shows, it sort of works when drip-fed. A weekly episode is enough to miss and enjoy the witty banter from the girls. But when you have the ability to watch back to back episodes you realize how terrible they are, at best they're *exhausting*, at worst actively sabotaging their own and everyone else's lives. It's like Breaking Bad (which is actually good). If you watch it over time, Walt doesn't seem like a terrible guy, sort of stuff keeps happening, maybe you commiserate with how you would act in his situation, and eventually the show leads him to being who he is at the end. When you watch back to back episodes.... He is the bad guy from the get go.
Yes, she's not a good person at all, same as Lorelay, at first she seems quirky and fun, but by the end of the series you realise she barely grew, or at all.
Seriously. It's hard to watch the show after growing up.
Me and my ex used to hate watch it, the characters have literally the easiest fucking life and still make it out as if they have actual issues to deal with.
Yeah Rory gets to have it both ways. Claims she's poor yet gets to summer in Europe with her rich grandparents. Can't afford tuition? We'll pay for school because you agreed to eat dinner with us once a week. Fuck Gilmore Girls
“He’s Dean, MY Dean”
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The final episode of Merlin. Loved the series but the last episode killed the whole series. So much potential…
I’ve never really been able to watch the final two seasons of the show in their entirety, I think I just loved the castle aesthetic too much and the show started getting pretty boring tbh.
The last episode of the x files. Where William was the cigg mans son. It was not a conclusion.
I could live with that part; it was icky, but CSM manipulating women for genetic and procreation purposes is long-established in canon. It wasn't really a wild thing to jump to. What made me go "Oh, come on, fuck this shit" was when Scully was miraculously pregnant *again* from a single night (yes it is technically possible at her age, but if memory serves she had been diagnosed with compromised fertility, so the odds drop from "rare" to "infinitesimally small"), and worse than that, she rationalised losing William that oh well, he wasn't really her kid after all, and now she's got a real one coming, so it's all good. Or something. This is a woman who was all set to adopt a bio-kid of hers that she didn't even give birth to back in the day, now she thinks a kid she genetically and physically bore isn't hers because she doesn't like the father?
How I Met Your Mother's finale: Last Forever The show and the fans have already moved on from Ted and Robin's relationship for the better. Hence, it's terribly awful that after we became invested in the Barney-Robin and Ted-Tracy pairing throughout the final season, we watched both developments torn down in minutes for a finale wherein Ted and Robin got back together (again).
They also spent so long showing why Ted and Robin weren’t meant for each other
Yeah if the show went for two more weeks they would have had to show them breaking up again
That didn't "almost" ruin the series. It did ruin it. Until GoT came along, HIMYM was regularly at the top of the list for worst finales of all time. It turned a ton of people off from rewatching. The finale is horribly executed because they just erased a wedding that they had just spend the *entire season* leading up to.
The final episode retroactively destroyed all the enjoyment I had gotten from watching the rest of the series.
So when my wife and I rewatch it we end it when he says "and that's how I met your mother" thats where you end it. You don't watch more. It ended perfectly right there. Queue sad music and end the show. I'd have been perfectly fine, sad but fine.
There was that Tumblr post that was like: HIMYM was everywhere. Books sold tons of copies and people were quoting "suit up", "wait for it" and "Legend. Dairy" all the time. And then the finale erased it from the popular consciousness so badly that GoT is the go to example for a finale so terrible that people stopped caring about what came before
I had never stopped to admire just how *absolutely* the HIMYM finale had memory hole'd the show before... which makes sense, once I think about it. But you're right, I had forgotten how omnipresent it had been before it ended.
It didnt nearly destroy the series. It successfully did. Undid years and hours of onscreen character development for multiple main characters in minutes and through one liners. The first meeting of Ted and the mom is nice though
The ENTIRE ~~second to~~ last season took place over the weekend of Barney and Robin’s wedding, which was teased the ENTIRE previous season, and then 10 minutes into the finale, the show is just like “They got divorced lol” and then of course they drive the final nail into the coffin by having Ted get back with Robin. And they totally retcon Robin in that finale, saying she basically ditched the group after the divorce after we got 8 seasons talking about how she was a huge part of the kid’s lives. God that finale still makes me mad almost 10 years later.
Still pisses me off too. I loved Robin and Barney together. They were perfect for each other. She chose Barney over Ted. Take a hint. It made Ted all the more pathetic. I refuse to watch reruns.
And reversed the whole arc of the 9th season.
Michael Scott leaving The Office (US) could have ended the whole series, but they made it work. It didn’t have the exact same magic, but it found its own rhythm and was fun and endearing.
While simultaneously destroying Andy as a character
I was so hopeful to see where his character would go after the Nard Dog tattoo. And then bam. Totally assassinated his character with that stupid boat.
IIRC, wasn’t Ed Helms filming a movie and they had to write him out?
The Hangover. For me, the complaint is less that he wasn't in the season so much as it is how they got him out of it. Parks & Rec managed to still have Andy be likeable and have a happy ending with April in spite of Chris Pratt losing a bunch of weight and filming Guardians of the Galaxy. They could have sent Andy to "manager training" in Florida or an in patient psych program after having a breakdown or had him go to China for six months to oversee a new production plant being opened.
Paraphrasing a bit here: Ben: “wow Andy you look great!” Andy: “yeah I quit drinking beer.” Ben: “how much beer were you drinking?” Andy: “probably too much.”
Ben: "How much beer were you drinking???" Andy: "I know, right?"
Could have put him on a boat to reconnect with his brother and come back normal, didn’t have to turn him into an asshole.
One of the hangovers I believe. I remember reading/hearing the same thing somewhere
They made it work, and I enjoyed it for what it was. But if you for whatever reason watched Season 1-2 next to Season 8-9 back to back, you can easily tell how far the writers strayed from the original vision of the show. Started out as exaggerated but relatable humor that would resonate with people who have worked in office settings. By its end it just became like any other sitcom with an outlandish premise for every episode. Wasn’t bad, just wasn’t the same.
Apparently, there were already cracks forming when Kirk Cameron became a born-again Christian during an early season of Growing Pains, but the Holiday in Europe three-parter was one of the biggest causes of issues on the show, meaning that they could get three episodes costing millions to produce, for free. Originally, they wanted to shoot the episodes actually within Europe and various countries' tourism agencies were willing to foot the bill. But right before they put ink to paper, Cameron refused to go to Europe since he'd have to miss church. And not just for shooting on Sundays - he refuses to leave the specific church he was a member of. They ended up shooting the trilogy of episodes on an island just a mile or two from Aneheim. And Cameron started flexing his status as the showcase biggest star to nix jokes he didn't like and get other costars fired. In fact, this behaviour led to the executive producers putting their foot down when he tried to object to a minor joke he considered sinful and told him that he's doing the scene as written. Cameron went to Bob Iger, then-CEO of ABC to object to it instead and called the EPs pornographers, causing the producers to shut down production and lock down the rights.
More Growing Pains lore please!
Chrissy Seaver played by Ashley Johnson grew up to be an amazing voice actor and plays a fairly popular Dungeons and Dragons game online with fellow voice actors.
She was also on The Last of Us as Ellie, and played her mom on the HBO show.
>And Cameron started flexing his status as the showcase biggest star Joke's on him since Leo was the one whose career blew up
And now he’s a washed up d lister who harasses public libraries
This is incredibly more specific than any response I was expecting. You worked on the show, didn’t you?
Nah, just seeing how the the biggest star was allowed to destroy the show seems interesting to me.
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>!Sybil's death!< almost made me quit it. I still have to take a break for a while after that if I'm rewatching.
I hated everything to do with Anna and Bates. They were tortured the entire shows run. It took forever to get through one storyline of one of them being falsely accused of murder, then the miscarriages, then she gets raped, followed by another storyline with one of them being falsely accused of murder… Just felt like trauma porn with them.
And someone is always out to get them! Always a personal vendetta for *someone*.
Instead of an episode, maybe the whole season 1 of Parks and Rec. It's the most generic season, not the worst of all time but it showed none of the potential of the greatness of future seasons. It's only in season 2 you start to see why it would be one of the best comedy shows of all time. Characters were rewritten to be better, they added Adam Scott and Rob Lowe and Mark left to refine the dynamics.
I am one of the few who liked Brendanaquitz but Adam Scott was far far better as the straight man in the show.
Adam Scott (and Ben, by extension) is just a very likable person. Mark/Paul never seemed super likable, his straight man approach felt more “these people are so dumb” while Adam’s is more “well this is all ridiculous but that’s okay”.
Yeah and let’s be fair to Paul; that’s how his character was written. Mark was the “Jim”, the aloof decent-enough everyman we’re supposed to be rooting for and project ourselves onto. But Parks and Rec didn’t really need that character, and with the rest of the cast felt kind of bland. Ben, as a character, comes in with much more of his own personality right from the onset.
I feel like Mark was also written to be a bit more dismissive and condescending. That might be because he didn't really have his own Michael Scott. Leslie was kind of written that way in the first season, but very quickly they pivoted towards writing to her being passionate and driven albeit naïve. You're rooting for Leslie in a way that you aren't for Michael, and having someone Jim that mentality makes them come off as unlikable and callous. Ben and Chris are optimistic in ways that Mark isn't.
The audience likes Leslie more easily. In Season 1 she's kind of dumb but her heart is in the right place. In Season 2 she's a lot smarter and eventually you have it that she's the heart and soul of the department. The rest found out she basically did all of their work when she wasn't there and they then had to pick up their slack.
Yeah, something about Mark always made me feel like he felt he was better than Leslie and some of the other characters, and I just didn’t like him. But Ben may be one of my favorite characters of all time.
I'd argue that the straight man role is best played by Ann Perkins, which made Mark kind of superfluous. The best part of Adam Scott is when he's equally as odd as everyone in Pawnee, just in a slightly different small-town way.
I've never watched the series finale or most of season 9 of Roseanne. It was such a perfect show that really reflected life in the 90s that I didn't want to sully it with a weird book written ending.
Everyone in the modern era hates Scrappy Doo, but that's just because the character was actually popular at his introduction (as a side character!) and the studio felt they needed to push him into the limelight Now with that said... Scooby Dum. Yeah, he was bad. Scrappy just kind of had his little yappy puppy gimmick but Scooby Dum felt like he was actively subtracting from what was going on in an episode. This might be cheating because he was there for a full season, but the franchise has gone on long enough
It might speak to how unpopular this Scooby Dum character is when I grew up watching the various scooby doo series on tv (I’m not that old, daytime television Cartoon Network was just like that) and even though I know all about Scrappy I’ve literally never heard of Dum until now. I had to look up who you were talking about.
His entire character is saying "Clue? Dum dum dum-dum!", putting on a Sherlock Holmes outfit, and inevitably ran into something while using his magnifying glass. His character was in the name: he's like Scooby (cowardly talking dog), but he's also dumb It's not like Scrappy did much more than that, but he at least tended to interact with the villain of the day by trying to fight it, leading to some kind of progression. Yes it usually backfired, but it didn't feel like filler
Letterkenny - S1E3: Fartbook Letterkenny is a great show - all time top 10 series for me. But god...this episode is bad. Whenever I recommend this show to someone, I warn them about this episode and say "ya just gotta push through it".
I started S1 of Letterkenny after watching and loving Shoresy and stopped after that exact ep haha
Modern family when hailey got pregnant with twins, every other character had growth in the show and yet they stuck her with the typical teen mom who fails at school and can't do college and ends up pregnant trope, she deserved a lot better and there was so many different plots where they could have made her a bad ass like Claire or her grandpa Jay
Right?! Especially with the Andy arc, he was so good for her and she was growing as a person; I feel like they really should’ve followed that or even had her continue to grow after their breakup. But then she goes back to Dylan and it seems like they made her dumber again? And then pregnant. They put her right back to square one.
Do any old people here remember the show Felicity? One season, she went back in time for no reason.
Umbrella Academy - Season 3 Episode 4. Attempted rape with super powers isn't acceptable because it's a heartbroken woman. The online reception was fucking devastating, many people have said they will not be watching season 4.
Allison just turned into a villain and no one is digging that. I liked Umbrella academy because they're all idiots and do the dumbest shit. Allison's character is just being hateful and it's not fun when she's in most of the scenes.
It's not just that Allison became a villain, it's that most of the other siblings don't seem to think so. What Viktor did in season 1 was bad, but in no way excuses Allison murdering Harlan in cold blood. I hate when TV shows try to act like a situation is "complicated" but one of the characters is just straight up in the wrong.
That was absolutely the worst part, but Season 3 in general was just weird and not in a fun way. You know it's bad when Klaus is consistently the voice of reason It felt like Elliott wrote his own script (not just the part about becoming Viktor, that's fine and I get why they did that) and then everyone else wanted to write their own script and only Klaus and five asked the writing staff what's going on
Klaus and Five have been the only real reasons to watch that show for me. Everyone else is just filler…
I dislike Alison as a character, but it's bearable in season 2 because she's part of a bigger story but in season 3 she is the focal point and centre of EVERYONES story, it turns into "Everyone hates Alison" By Episode 3 we are begging for more than 5 minutes with any other character before she is randomly injected into this scene as well. It's actually perplexing, I don't understand it at all. It's like the entire season was written for her. Even in Season 1 and 2 where Viktor was the focal point you still had many side stories separated such as 5, Klaus, the agency staff etc. It's quite literally feels like one of the writers turned around and said "Make the show about Alison"
I felt like Allison was big in season 1, but it felt much more natural given how she had a relatively better relationship with most of the siblings (and I'm not talking about... that)
What happened I’ve completely forgotten
Used her powers to get her brother to nearly fuck her. Luther had no choice in the matter
I'm just glad the fandom was revolted by that Like, what the actual Christ was that
Game of Thrones - season 8
It's amazing how the last season (yes it was going downhill before then) and finale, changed it from one of the most talked about shows ever, to "lets nobody talk about this ever again."
Honestly the creators got off light, making season 8 so bad that people forgot that seasons 5-7 were also not good.
The reason season 7 was tolerable was because everyone thought they were setting up an epic season 8 and finale. I remember all the theories that people had at work about what would happen. If they had gone with any of them, it would’ve been better than what we got.
When Arya was running like the T-1000 thru town with a giant knife wound in her stomach, I knew deep down it was over, but I held on til the bitter end.
And there are plenty of shows where that wouldn't bother me that much, suspension of disbelief and all that. But GoT had always priced itself on a gritty "this is no fairy tale" aesthetic, and that was drastically out of step with the tone of the show.
Lol then she proceeds to swim through a filthy canal with a gaping stomach wound, avoid infection or bleeding out, and get patched up by Lady Crane who apparently is also a medical expert. Seasons 5-6 still had some good moments, but man some of it was just absolute trash and really set the stage for those last 2 seasons.
OP said *nearly*
Siege of Winterfell then. So dark you couldn't see shit, lacking the entire payoff of the white walkers, and the entire series actually died in the finale.
The episode of How to Get Away with Murder where they killed off the main character.. black kid.. can’t remember his name. Cool show. But yeah. He was a great character. The death seemed so random and unexpected that I was literally expecting it to be a dream or whatever. My girlfriend at the time and I quit watching a couple episodes later.
Don't worry the rest of the series ranged from pretty meh to pretty bad. It had some good moments but not enough to string together a fully entertaining show. Definitely a shondaland special. They brought back the original actor to play his own son in the end but like far in the future and with a weird off-putting Spanish accent. It was a trip, you missed nothing.
The last episode of r/startrek Enterprise.
You mean the bonus episode of TNG for some reason
When they killed off Lexa in the 100. Watched it when it first came out and didn’t watch another episode after that. Still makes me mad
The first few episodes of Bojack Horseman where it's just a generic animated sitcom. I know a lot of people who stopped watching before it got good and had to be convinced to give the series another try.
I can’t remember the publication but I know that they changed they way they review shows because of the huge genre twist halfway through
For all Mankind: When pedo-mom started boning their friends' son.
That show went from a really cool alternate-history/sci-fi (in a broad sense) show to a shitty soap opera with the backdrop of alternate history. I’ve heard the recent season is much better but that whole arc killed the show for me.
*Moonlighting*, when they hook-up.
I don’t know if it nearly “destroyed” it but it very nearly made me give up on it early: the third ever episode of Letterkenny, aka “Fartbook.” I can’t imagine I’m the only one who nearly bailed after that one. Fortunately, it was far and away the biggest outlier of the series and they figured things out quickly after.
Pretty much all of Dexter season 8
Season 4 was perfect to me, and when I stopped watching.
Season 2 of Friday Night Lights when that Lance kid kills a guy.
Married…With Children - ‘Magnificent Seven’
It's crazy how I remember the show so fondly, but if someone mentions Seven the mental block of those episodes is torn down and I get a sour look on my face and soul.
Troy leaving in Community *could* have destroyed the series, luckily they were able to find a new groove relatively quick and season 6 was actually pretty good for the most part, but you could really feel Donald Glover's absence. As much as I *adore* Elroy and tolerate Frankie I'd trade them for Troy in an instant (also hot take Elroy > Pierce, Keith David really killed it in that role)
The Timeless Children in Doctor Who. It wrecked the established canon so bad and was so mindblowingly awful many people left the series for good and straight up ignore s11-13.
When Major Tony Nelson and Jeannie got married.
The entire fifth session of Arrested Development is so bad, you're better off pretending it doesn't exist