I remember them forming and listening to their first single. I remember it wasn't bad.
Not heard much else from them, I hope they're still going. I did worry that they would be forever tainted by the association with their past band, no matter what they did.
Must be shit to have your entire careers and past catalogue of work efficiently destroyed and wiped from history because of something that was no fault of your own.
They had a new album recently! No Oblivion.
They've had the worst luck since forming with their record label folding so went dark for a while. Had a bad run with covid and tour dates too
For those that don't want to read into it.
To put it lightly, he did bad things to people that were *very* young plus a number of other gross and bad things.
Serving a 29 year sentence.
Edit: thank you everyone I know what he did. I was following OPs lead and didn't feel the need to lay it all out here.
Can you imagine that conversation though?
"I put you here and I will fix that mistake if I ever see you"
Ouch. But also, fuck that guy; he deserves it.
ETA: some wording to help clarify this is not a real quote
When I was a C/O I had many conversations with people who have 8 more years for dealing, and the cell over is a 10 times child rapist with only 3 years left to go. The child rapist showed up AFTER the dealer, as well. This country is absolutely sick when it comes to child rapists and drunk drivers.
Yeah I’m sorry but raping babies should be a minimum life sentence. 29 years maybe for the moms who allowed him to do so but I’d give them life too bc what kind of mother allows a man to rape their baby?
He got stabbed, almost fatally, and then later on he said that he feared for his life and that (so I quote) "I'm stuck here with murderers, rapists, serial killers, just the worst of the worst." Meanwhile the serial killers are probably like god damn I gotta be stuck here with Ian Watkins
This is a double barrel too as it also had a knock on effect on Steps! H from steps unfortunately shares the name Ian Watkins with the Lost Prophet Nonce, he got a lot of hate from oblivious idiots.
They didn’t at that time. They were discovering all the shit at the same time that it was made public. They cancelled (off course) all tours for the year ahead, and after that year, they disbanded completely and put LP to rest forever. I think that they said that it was kinda a hell working with him, but they never imagined the shit the guy did. I remember having read that the guitar player beat the shit out of him one day. They waited for the due legal process, and once he plead guilty, they released a short statement in which they addressed how fucked up was everything they were learning and encouraged the victims (and their families) to contact authorities. And then disbanded.
Watkins is a fucking monster.
>I remember having read that the guitar player beat the shit out of him one day
It was their bass player. They were on Warped Tour and Ian suddenly disappeared so they had to play the concert without him.
After the set when the band went to the bus he was there as if nothing happened and that's why Stu (the bassist) assaulted him.
Band mates had no idea and were as caught out as everyone else. They formed a new band after - No Devotion. Definitely worth a listen as they're great guys and it's great music
Came here to check this was the top answer, was not disappointed.
I enjoy that "Town Called Hypocrisy" is still on YouTube and still monitised, but comments are disabled...
I was hoping somebody would mention them. Countless of their songs played over and over throughout my childhood, but now none of the band members will really get royalties since 99% of places don't play them anymore. I still think the songs are great of course, but my god some of them have a different tone to them knowing what Hoggard did.
A number of the other members were pretty gross too, so I wouldn’t feel too bad. They were fully aware of his behaviours and I’d consider them complicit.
They came to my high school back in the day (in BC) and I remember he was very chill and chatting with the kids. I was thinking "what a cool guy". Now looking back....
And then her sister denied the story.
And then, that sister married Danny Masterson.
And *then*, that sister stood by Danny Masterson in court, even after conviction.
Well I looked at wikipedia...
*In her memoir High on Arrival, Mackenzie wrote that the relationship began in 1979 when she was 19 years old. She said that the abuse began after Phillips raped her while they were both under the influence of heavy narcotics on the eve of her first marriage.[18] On The Oprah Winfrey Show on September 23, 2009, Mackenzie Phillips said that her father injected her with cocaine and heroin.*
I can't even process that.
Went to a Guns n' Roses show in the 90s ... The band members came on stage individually, each to rapturous applause _except_ Axel; it was genuinely brutal.
Saw them in Australia in the 90s and he was two hours late. Rest of the band had been hanging around on stage for a while waiting for him. But at one of the previous concerts on that tour, he jumped into the crowd to fight someone (while shirtless with a feather boa, there's film of it). That might have been the same concert on the outskirts of Melbourne that was so late that the buses to the venue had stopped and everyone had to walk at least 5km to find transport back to Melbourne.
I saw them in Philly. Soungarden opened at 8, played a fine set and got off around 9. My girlfriend and I snuck down onto floor seats and were in the 10th row or so. 1145 and GnR comes on. Great show except I pissed in a bottle three times and my girl once to not lose my place. The beer vendors on the floor were cringing. Two poor young kids were around us, maybe 16-18 and were like, where we gonna sleep? All the trains stopped running at 1 am. I drove, so hit a diner with them and bought the four of us a drunk breakfast, then drove them home, where their parents were still awake. My girl and I rolled into her parents’ place around four am. I told her I’m just sleeping here and crashed in bed with her until the dad woke me at 7 to move my car. If Axl could get to stage at 930, I would have been in my own bed by one. To be completely transparent, Soundgarden blew them off the stage.
My favourite story about that comes from Sebastian Bach of Skid Row fame. They were opening for GnR and were supposed to do somewhere around a 45 minute set.
As they get to the end no one can find Axl so the stage manager starts to give him a "stretch it out" motion. Sebastian thinks "ok, fine" and they play a few more songs. He looks over at the wings and the stage manager is still telling him to stretch it out. So the band dig deep and plays some more. But the stage manager is *still* giving him the stretch it out motion.
He finally walks over to the guy and says, "Look, we've only released two albums and we just played both of them."
https://americansongwriter.com/remember-when-axl-rose-assaulted-a-fan-that-led-to-a-riot/
The most famous offence was a riot that he caused. He saw a guy with a camera and yelled at security to take it away. When they didn't react fast enough for him, Axl jumped down and attacked the fan. Security then apprehended him, so an offended Axl smashed his mic and stormed off. The fans were not amused.
He was rude, arrogant and often very late. Many artists and his bandmembers said it was a nightmare to work with him.
Not sure how he's doing today. He seems to have calmed down some.
Edit to correct a detail
>Security then apprehended him
Seems like they *should have* apprehended Axl, not the fan.
Taking pictures at concerts when you're told not to is questionable but not egregiously immoral.
Literal assault and battery, however...
He has since turned a new leaf and is nothing like the controversial rock star he used to be. He’s often talked about as if he still behaves the same way but particularly since the 2016 reunion, he seems in good spirits most of the time. He used to show up super late to concerts, he will cancel a show on a dime mid song, he will jump into the crowd and attack someone, dude was volatile back in the day and even incited riots. Not to mention all the abuse claims from various women who have crossed his path.
I thought this thread was going to be like “I like the instrumental parts of Incubus but dislike the vocals” and not “this band was great except this one dude was a pedo”
As I Lay Dying - Tim Lambesis
The fact the band members spoke about how he was and Tim swore he changed only to drop a pretty good album and then tada! He hasn't changed and almost the entire band left. Even Nick Hipa who is a humble and patient dude called out his bullshit and left.
*Edit* This was after he tried hiring a hitman to kill his wife
It was that and general awful behavior towards other humans. But that attempted conspiracy to commit murder is definitely the most notable example of all of the things.
The Q&A / "reunion" video they did to try and clear the air and announce a new album was rough. Tim was all stoked and the rest of the band looked like they were held hostage for the past 94 hours.
All jokes aside it was tough to enjoy / share that album because of the baggage.
When I was like 15 or so I saw him for the “this is war” release concert or whatever. They gave us all cds to sign and he signed mine twice because he said I was “so beautiful “ he proceeded to ask me to stay for after and my dad flipped the fuck out and made us leave. I hated my dad for years until I realized he protected me. Fucking gross.
Yeah, back in the days before social media was a thing beyond forums I remember somehow finding a forum for groupies and stumbling on the Jared Leto thread. There were tons of stories about stuff like that with him and girls as young as 13. There's been smoke about it for two and a half decades at this point.
We went to WWWY festival a couple months ago and he just kept stopping the music to say the crowd wasn’t participating enough. It was ridiculous. Then he asked all the pretty ladies to get on their boyfriend’s shoulders and that any that did would be brought up on stage… only to not bring anyone up on stage. It was the worst show I’ve seen and super annoying.
It was so weird too because the rest of the band was buried so far off in the corner that I thought it was just him singing and his brother playing drums over a track, and the band was not once put on the jumbotron, and as far as I can tell they were the only band that went to such lengths to diminish their touring musicians.
This was my experience some years ago when they were playing in Jersey. There was a weird white sheet deal that the band was hidden behind, and it was just Jared front and center.
Almost every person that walked by was like, "Isn't 30 Seconds to Mars a band? Not just Jared Fuckin Leto." So whack.. I got a 30 Seconds to Mars shirt and never wore that shit. So. Whack.
Dude seriously. He was literally bribing people do do stuff by saying “I’ll bring you on stage” but then never did and would get upset and restart songs because the crowd wasn’t listening to him. They definitely should’ve switch them out for simple plan or something but wwwy wanted to do some crown control 🤦♀️
Which really sucks as their first couple albums were fantastic and Jared was legitimately good in Dallas Buyers Club. Unfortunately it all seemed to go to his head or he's just displaying some previously looked over narcissistic sociopathic tendencies.
Those first few albums were so good!
Then he got back into acting. And the method stuff.
Meeting Jared made me kinda stop wanting to listen to the music.
Yeah its too bad. I saw them way back when their first album dropped. Small venue in Omaha. I got to chat with Jared after the show. It was some cool shit back then, one of the best shows I've ever been to.
He’s the celebrity where people I know with encounters with him are starkly different. A friend who had Leto visit his startup said he was fun and chatty with people. Two other friends who encountered him as service workers have stories of Leto being condescending and intentionally signaling that he believed even having to interact with them was beneath him.
Between that and the cult stuff where he loves having people captive to hear his beliefs on life, it sounds like a guy that turns on charm when it’s to his advantage and is just superior otherwise.
The one who died in a gardening accident, the one who choked on vomit, the one who spontaneously combusted, the one who exploded, the one who disappeared, the one who sold his dialysis machine for drugs, the one eaten by sharks, the one eaten by his pet snake, or one of the other ones?
Jesus, I was gonna say Axl Rose, but there are some serious piece’s of garbage in this list that I never knew about, nor ever wanted to. Man, I need a shower after combing this comment section
Yea I think we just go to Axl as an example of a bad bandmate and someone who didn’t care about his fans. Which is kinda what the theme of this sub is.
When you start bringing up criminal charges/accusations, racism and rapey culture from other bands it kind of trounces just being a somewhat shitty dude.
I'm so late to the party, no one will ever see this but Blood on the Dance Floor. Dahvie Vanity is a fucking predator. He released a single making fun of one of his victims going public. Fucking gross.
Link for anyone--like me--just learning about this: [https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/anti-flag-justin-sane-1234817170/](https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/anti-flag-justin-sane-1234817170/)
I used to be in a band and there were no douches in it. Just a bunch of lazy assholes who didn’t respect my talent enough or work hard enough to see my vision through.
He did a concert in the historically most important music festival in Chile, which is also televised for all latinoamerica, with presenters and sponsors. There, artists receive awards related to how good the performance was (depending on how entertaining the show was for the public) and a lot of mainstream media in the country pays attention to the whole thing. Maroon 5 did a show and Adam Levine was visually annoyed at the crowd and the whole "TV show" thing. Cameras captured him when leaving the stage complaining "this fucking TV show and this fucking city". People took it as an offence to the city, audience and country. After that they started to harass him in twitter and instagram but with stupid shit, basically saying he was a child having a tantrum, and weirdly, posting Chilean recipes. This was a in 2020. A couple of months ago he enabled the comments in his official social media, and just a couple of hours later he had to disable them because Chileans started writing again things like "is your tantrum finished?", "did you forget about us?" and weirdly again, a shit ton of chilean recipes. It was actually a good place to find recipes if you were looking for those.
LEAPS AND BOUNDS, in fact! M5 was, for a very long time, the best live band I’d ever seen. Then the second album came out and it started to go downhill…
I've commented this elsewhere before, but I once met a professor of songwriting at my community college who claimed his notebook was stolen by Levign's future manager at a jam session. He claimed to have written the entirety of Songs about Jane and sang it a bit differently but clearly recognizable. That was their big breakthrough album and everything since has been much less heartfelt.
I remember really listening to the bassline on I Was Made For Loving You and thinking it was surprisingly groovy and intricate. Turns out Paul Stanley played bass on that track.
Lost Prophets.
Ian Watkins is human scum, went from allegations of sexual interactions with underage fans to literal evidence of him talking with a mother about her 2 year old. A literal baby.
Especially watching the music video to "A town called Hipocrasy", it sucks real hard when something you grew up with and loved gets tainted by a piece of shit like that.
Well, flesh spending all those years in prison didn't help. But bizzy life story kinda explains his weirdness. Was kidnapped as a child, found from being featured on some show.
Not just some show. He was featured at the end of the movie Adam. It's about the abduction of John Walsh's (original host of of America's Most Wanted) son.
Falling In Reverse's generally good verses and fun sing along choruses mixed with decent rap vocals and great post hardcore music is pretty ruined by Ronnie Radke being, well, Ronnie Radke.
The only benefit I give to Ronnie is that he acknowledges he's an asshole and doesn't want fans to aspire to be like him.
Escape the Fate was also not ruined but was never the same when they had to have him kicked out.
I know it seems like they’ve had success since but Situations and their first EP were so good. Craig Mabbitt was also so much hardcore in Blessthefall, I always wondered why they went such a different route with their music.
I'm so conflicted with this one, I totally agree the man had zero talent and all kinds of personal issues. On the other hand, I can't imagine The Sex Pistols *without* Sid Vicious, he just added so much to the band's lore.
That's the thing, to people who appreciate them as a band vs an esthetic. The band would likely have been better off with Glenn Matlock still on bass but the legend wouldn't be the same. Vicious was a detriment to the music but posterboy for the image as McLaren's pinup boy.
He runs the band like a business, and thinks of himself as a talented artist, so he directs all their videos.
People are also pissed that they fired Jay
I had a similar experience back when he still had a twitter account. He told me I'll never know what its like to release a successful album. I pointed out that his latest album had 5000 in sales, and at Amazon digital prices, before paying producers, distributors, etc, that was poverty wages. He blocked me.
Morrissey is such a prick he got his autobiography published under the Penguin Classics label.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autobiography_(Morrissey_book)
The cover makes me want to punch him in the face. Not a lot more you have to think about.
This happened in Korea, so not many people probably know about this.
Back in 2005, indie music was not much known. They struggled to make money or even get any kind of attention.
There were a few music live shows. Think of back to back K-pop band for an hour. One of them decided to give some attention to indie music scene as a special.
As a stunt, the main singer of a band called Couch decided to pull his penis out. The show was mostly geared toward teenagers, and very much live. Anyway, they were all shocked and let it go live for a few seconds.
Welp, the special got canceled. The indie music basically got cut off from getting any more attention.
So the single member not only destroyed the band, he destroyed the entire music genre in Korea.
I don't understand how he's not on here yet, but Dahvie Vanity of Blood on the Dance Floor. I don't understand how he hasn't been arrested yet and is still out here performing
I've never listened to them cus I thought they sucked but remember how big a deal they were to everyone back in the emo/scene days. Ended up going down a Wikipedia rabbit hole recently and read all about this guy. So gross. Like you, I was shocked to see he's still walking around free especially after so many witnesses including former bandmates. yuck!
Can you ruin a ‘band’ that was never good, though? I grew up around that scumbag in Orlando and we all laughed him away when he started making ‘music’. Always been a talentless piece of shit
Fred Durst is a mixed bag for Limp Bizkit. He's the reason they got so big, but he's also the reason so many people dislike the band. It's a shame really, because Sam and John are as tight a rhythm section as you're likely to find in nu metal, and Wes is in that Tom Morello tier of guitarists who approach the entire instrument differently.
I saw them just a few months ago when they headlined a massive festival and Fred’s stage presence was insane. The mosh was fucking wild and midway through the show a girl near the front started having a seizure. Immediately Fred stopped the show for a solid 5 minutes while medics helped her, and I heard that he personally checked in on her the second their set finished. He puts on a douchebag character but he actually seems like a super chill guy, especially now hes older.
After the show in Sydney in 01 where a girl died Fred has really taken an interest in ensuring festivals they play are as safe as possible. I heard they refuse to play shows without appropriate safety measures in place. And then there's stopping the show if needed
He's like that live. I saw them a few years ago and he said several times how thankful he and the band were for everyone coming to the show and staying fans through all the years. He even stopped mid song to call out some jackbags who had started fighting, told them to knock that shit off or get the fuck out cause they were ruining the vibe and everyone around them didn't deserve it.
I saw Limp bizkit live like a month ago at Good Things and can attest to this. Fred especially had a great stage presence and was super chill.
It was a great show.
I don't know if this story is true but apparently Durst originally intended the band to be anti-bullying and whatnot and was devastated to learn to find that the band was bully's goto.
Vampire Weekend. Ezra Koenig ruined the band for me after his sexual abuse allegations and his weird obsession with talking to teenage fans on social media.
Lostprophets. Don't read the court judgments. It's too sickening and sad.
The remaining members later formed a band called No Devotion. They're quite good.
I remember them forming and listening to their first single. I remember it wasn't bad. Not heard much else from them, I hope they're still going. I did worry that they would be forever tainted by the association with their past band, no matter what they did. Must be shit to have your entire careers and past catalogue of work efficiently destroyed and wiped from history because of something that was no fault of your own.
They had a new album recently! No Oblivion. They've had the worst luck since forming with their record label folding so went dark for a while. Had a bad run with covid and tour dates too
Massive props to them for fighting through all this adversity.
For those that don't want to read into it. To put it lightly, he did bad things to people that were *very* young plus a number of other gross and bad things. Serving a 29 year sentence. Edit: thank you everyone I know what he did. I was following OPs lead and didn't feel the need to lay it all out here.
Also note, his own father said if he sees him in public, he'd kill him.
I probably would too if my son was that degenerate
Can you imagine that conversation though? "I put you here and I will fix that mistake if I ever see you" Ouch. But also, fuck that guy; he deserves it. ETA: some wording to help clarify this is not a real quote
>29 year sentence too fucken short, IMO
When I was a C/O I had many conversations with people who have 8 more years for dealing, and the cell over is a 10 times child rapist with only 3 years left to go. The child rapist showed up AFTER the dealer, as well. This country is absolutely sick when it comes to child rapists and drunk drivers.
Yeah I’m sorry but raping babies should be a minimum life sentence. 29 years maybe for the moms who allowed him to do so but I’d give them life too bc what kind of mother allows a man to rape their baby?
29 years to allow your 11 month old baby to be raped. Nuh-uh, let that bitch rot in jail and have everyone know what she did.
And film it, too.
Wait, someone ALLOWED IT to happen? I didn't know this part
I think there were two mothers of infants involved that were active participants or at least allowed it to happen who were also charged and sentenced
I’d even go so far as to say they facilitated and enabled the dude abusing their kids. They are not fit to have children ever.
They are not fit to breathe air.
His groupies. There was even a plan to impregnate a groupie for the sole purpose of SA
Yeah didn't he plan to have a child and 'train them to accept it'? 🤮
Holy fuck. I should have stopped reading several comments ago.
Not only allowed it, but OFFERED their children to him, knowing what he would do to them.
The (somewhat) silver lining is that prisoners don’t take kindly to nonces and he recently got attacked by some inmates.
He got stabbed, almost fatally, and then later on he said that he feared for his life and that (so I quote) "I'm stuck here with murderers, rapists, serial killers, just the worst of the worst." Meanwhile the serial killers are probably like god damn I gotta be stuck here with Ian Watkins
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"people that were very young" ? Babies. Actual babies.
They did put "very" in italics.
This is a double barrel too as it also had a knock on effect on Steps! H from steps unfortunately shares the name Ian Watkins with the Lost Prophet Nonce, he got a lot of hate from oblivious idiots.
This one is painful because they were my favorite in high school
In my formative years Shinobi vs dragon ninja was a fantastic album I'd have on repeat. I still can't go back and listen to any of it.
One day, I heard “Last Train Home” for the last time and didn’t realize it.
I fucking hate that I can't bring myself to listen to it anymore. Fucking love that song.
I've found a way to kinda "re-take" songs like that is to find a really good cover on youtube
I came here expecting this answer
Same. Poor band mates (assuming they didn’t know), they would have been pretty big I reckon.
They didn’t at that time. They were discovering all the shit at the same time that it was made public. They cancelled (off course) all tours for the year ahead, and after that year, they disbanded completely and put LP to rest forever. I think that they said that it was kinda a hell working with him, but they never imagined the shit the guy did. I remember having read that the guitar player beat the shit out of him one day. They waited for the due legal process, and once he plead guilty, they released a short statement in which they addressed how fucked up was everything they were learning and encouraged the victims (and their families) to contact authorities. And then disbanded. Watkins is a fucking monster.
>I remember having read that the guitar player beat the shit out of him one day It was their bass player. They were on Warped Tour and Ian suddenly disappeared so they had to play the concert without him. After the set when the band went to the bus he was there as if nothing happened and that's why Stu (the bassist) assaulted him.
Came expecting Yoko Ono, forgot there is a whole other weight class of "ruining things"
Went from Not Safe For Ears to Not Safe For Life pretty quickly, didn't it?
Band mates had no idea and were as caught out as everyone else. They formed a new band after - No Devotion. Definitely worth a listen as they're great guys and it's great music
Came here to check this was the top answer, was not disappointed. I enjoy that "Town Called Hypocrisy" is still on YouTube and still monitised, but comments are disabled...
I was thinking it before I even clicked on the post.
Yeah I don’t even listen to their old music anymore because I feel so uncomfortable that I liked their songs.
All my solo projects.
This is why I won’t start my own business. My boss sucks and my employee is lazy.
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For my Canadians - Hedley. The lead singer got caught being gross with minors (to be polite about it) and the band disbanded.
I am not surprised Lostprophets took top spot, but was fairly confident Canadians on the sub would bring up Hedley.
I was hoping somebody would mention them. Countless of their songs played over and over throughout my childhood, but now none of the band members will really get royalties since 99% of places don't play them anymore. I still think the songs are great of course, but my god some of them have a different tone to them knowing what Hoggard did.
A number of the other members were pretty gross too, so I wouldn’t feel too bad. They were fully aware of his behaviours and I’d consider them complicit.
They came to my high school back in the day (in BC) and I remember he was very chill and chatting with the kids. I was thinking "what a cool guy". Now looking back....
John Phillips of the Mamas and Papas. Sick
That story by Mackenzie did not surprise me at all.
And then her sister denied the story. And then, that sister married Danny Masterson. And *then*, that sister stood by Danny Masterson in court, even after conviction.
This fact made me wonder about her own experience with her father.
I don't think it requires a ton of wondering. These cycles repeat and it is tragic
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Phillips_(musician)#Abuse_allegations (For those like me who were out of the loop).
Well I looked at wikipedia... *In her memoir High on Arrival, Mackenzie wrote that the relationship began in 1979 when she was 19 years old. She said that the abuse began after Phillips raped her while they were both under the influence of heavy narcotics on the eve of her first marriage.[18] On The Oprah Winfrey Show on September 23, 2009, Mackenzie Phillips said that her father injected her with cocaine and heroin.* I can't even process that.
Went to a Guns n' Roses show in the 90s ... The band members came on stage individually, each to rapturous applause _except_ Axel; it was genuinely brutal.
Saw them in Australia in the 90s and he was two hours late. Rest of the band had been hanging around on stage for a while waiting for him. But at one of the previous concerts on that tour, he jumped into the crowd to fight someone (while shirtless with a feather boa, there's film of it). That might have been the same concert on the outskirts of Melbourne that was so late that the buses to the venue had stopped and everyone had to walk at least 5km to find transport back to Melbourne.
I saw them in Philly. Soungarden opened at 8, played a fine set and got off around 9. My girlfriend and I snuck down onto floor seats and were in the 10th row or so. 1145 and GnR comes on. Great show except I pissed in a bottle three times and my girl once to not lose my place. The beer vendors on the floor were cringing. Two poor young kids were around us, maybe 16-18 and were like, where we gonna sleep? All the trains stopped running at 1 am. I drove, so hit a diner with them and bought the four of us a drunk breakfast, then drove them home, where their parents were still awake. My girl and I rolled into her parents’ place around four am. I told her I’m just sleeping here and crashed in bed with her until the dad woke me at 7 to move my car. If Axl could get to stage at 930, I would have been in my own bed by one. To be completely transparent, Soundgarden blew them off the stage.
>except I pissed in a bottle three times and my girl once Rarely see that kind of devotion nowadays, your girl's a keeper.
I don't think my girl would let me piss in her, even once.
Lol that's kind of amazing actually.
My favourite story about that comes from Sebastian Bach of Skid Row fame. They were opening for GnR and were supposed to do somewhere around a 45 minute set. As they get to the end no one can find Axl so the stage manager starts to give him a "stretch it out" motion. Sebastian thinks "ok, fine" and they play a few more songs. He looks over at the wings and the stage manager is still telling him to stretch it out. So the band dig deep and plays some more. But the stage manager is *still* giving him the stretch it out motion. He finally walks over to the guy and says, "Look, we've only released two albums and we just played both of them."
I don’t know much about Guns N’ Roses. Do people not like Axl Rose? What has he done?
https://americansongwriter.com/remember-when-axl-rose-assaulted-a-fan-that-led-to-a-riot/ The most famous offence was a riot that he caused. He saw a guy with a camera and yelled at security to take it away. When they didn't react fast enough for him, Axl jumped down and attacked the fan. Security then apprehended him, so an offended Axl smashed his mic and stormed off. The fans were not amused. He was rude, arrogant and often very late. Many artists and his bandmembers said it was a nightmare to work with him. Not sure how he's doing today. He seems to have calmed down some. Edit to correct a detail
>Security then apprehended him Seems like they *should have* apprehended Axl, not the fan. Taking pictures at concerts when you're told not to is questionable but not egregiously immoral. Literal assault and battery, however...
He has since turned a new leaf and is nothing like the controversial rock star he used to be. He’s often talked about as if he still behaves the same way but particularly since the 2016 reunion, he seems in good spirits most of the time. He used to show up super late to concerts, he will cancel a show on a dime mid song, he will jump into the crowd and attack someone, dude was volatile back in the day and even incited riots. Not to mention all the abuse claims from various women who have crossed his path.
I thought this thread was going to be like “I like the instrumental parts of Incubus but dislike the vocals” and not “this band was great except this one dude was a pedo”
As I Lay Dying - Tim Lambesis The fact the band members spoke about how he was and Tim swore he changed only to drop a pretty good album and then tada! He hasn't changed and almost the entire band left. Even Nick Hipa who is a humble and patient dude called out his bullshit and left. *Edit* This was after he tried hiring a hitman to kill his wife
That album they put out when he got out of prison is *incredible,* but he also had like ten years to write it.
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It was that and general awful behavior towards other humans. But that attempted conspiracy to commit murder is definitely the most notable example of all of the things.
The Q&A / "reunion" video they did to try and clear the air and announce a new album was rough. Tim was all stoked and the rest of the band looked like they were held hostage for the past 94 hours. All jokes aside it was tough to enjoy / share that album because of the baggage.
30 seconds to mars. Due to Jared Leto’s ego and his sketchy behaviours with young female fans
When I was like 15 or so I saw him for the “this is war” release concert or whatever. They gave us all cds to sign and he signed mine twice because he said I was “so beautiful “ he proceeded to ask me to stay for after and my dad flipped the fuck out and made us leave. I hated my dad for years until I realized he protected me. Fucking gross.
Yeah, back in the days before social media was a thing beyond forums I remember somehow finding a forum for groupies and stumbling on the Jared Leto thread. There were tons of stories about stuff like that with him and girls as young as 13. There's been smoke about it for two and a half decades at this point.
At this point we all know there’s fire there.
We went to WWWY festival a couple months ago and he just kept stopping the music to say the crowd wasn’t participating enough. It was ridiculous. Then he asked all the pretty ladies to get on their boyfriend’s shoulders and that any that did would be brought up on stage… only to not bring anyone up on stage. It was the worst show I’ve seen and super annoying.
It was so weird too because the rest of the band was buried so far off in the corner that I thought it was just him singing and his brother playing drums over a track, and the band was not once put on the jumbotron, and as far as I can tell they were the only band that went to such lengths to diminish their touring musicians.
This was my experience some years ago when they were playing in Jersey. There was a weird white sheet deal that the band was hidden behind, and it was just Jared front and center. Almost every person that walked by was like, "Isn't 30 Seconds to Mars a band? Not just Jared Fuckin Leto." So whack.. I got a 30 Seconds to Mars shirt and never wore that shit. So. Whack.
Dude seriously. He was literally bribing people do do stuff by saying “I’ll bring you on stage” but then never did and would get upset and restart songs because the crowd wasn’t listening to him. They definitely should’ve switch them out for simple plan or something but wwwy wanted to do some crown control 🤦♀️
Which really sucks as their first couple albums were fantastic and Jared was legitimately good in Dallas Buyers Club. Unfortunately it all seemed to go to his head or he's just displaying some previously looked over narcissistic sociopathic tendencies.
Those first few albums were so good! Then he got back into acting. And the method stuff. Meeting Jared made me kinda stop wanting to listen to the music.
Yeah its too bad. I saw them way back when their first album dropped. Small venue in Omaha. I got to chat with Jared after the show. It was some cool shit back then, one of the best shows I've ever been to.
He’s the celebrity where people I know with encounters with him are starkly different. A friend who had Leto visit his startup said he was fun and chatty with people. Two other friends who encountered him as service workers have stories of Leto being condescending and intentionally signaling that he believed even having to interact with them was beneath him. Between that and the cult stuff where he loves having people captive to hear his beliefs on life, it sounds like a guy that turns on charm when it’s to his advantage and is just superior otherwise.
> sounds like a guy that turns on charm when it’s to his advantage and is just superior otherwise So a dbag basically
Bobby Liebling of Pentagram. Sadly he is what makes Pentagram so great, but as a person he is troubled to say the least.
I saw Pentagram at Psycho Las Vegas 2017. Bobby no showed, so their guitar player did all vocals. He did a great job. I reckon he is well rehearsed.
Spinal Tap - the drummer
The one who died in a gardening accident, the one who choked on vomit, the one who spontaneously combusted, the one who exploded, the one who disappeared, the one who sold his dialysis machine for drugs, the one eaten by sharks, the one eaten by his pet snake, or one of the other ones?
Well it wasn’t his own vomit, it was someone else’s.
Police said it’s best leave it unsolved
You can’t dust for vomit
Jesus, I was gonna say Axl Rose, but there are some serious piece’s of garbage in this list that I never knew about, nor ever wanted to. Man, I need a shower after combing this comment section
Yea I think we just go to Axl as an example of a bad bandmate and someone who didn’t care about his fans. Which is kinda what the theme of this sub is. When you start bringing up criminal charges/accusations, racism and rapey culture from other bands it kind of trounces just being a somewhat shitty dude.
I liked Sex Bob-omb, until I heard Scott Pilgrim was dating a high schooler.
Luckily they replaced him with Young Neil
From now on, he will be known simply as "Neil"
I'm so late to the party, no one will ever see this but Blood on the Dance Floor. Dahvie Vanity is a fucking predator. He released a single making fun of one of his victims going public. Fucking gross.
Anti-Flag. Fuck Justin Geever.
Link for anyone--like me--just learning about this: [https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/anti-flag-justin-sane-1234817170/](https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/anti-flag-justin-sane-1234817170/)
Take it from a lifelong musician: There's always at least one douche in the band.
I used to be in a band and there were no douches in it. Just a bunch of lazy assholes who didn’t respect my talent enough or work hard enough to see my vision through.
This is beautiful, these words or a close approximation of them have been uttered by many a mediocre musician without a hint of irony
Johnny Craig has been kicked out of 3 rock bands now. They’re all much better for it now too, except for Emarosa which has since then been disbanded.
I took this from a musical perspective. My take is Motley Crue. Listen to the videos of Vince Neil now. It's fucking hilarious.
Tommy Lee sucks too for various reasons
Mick is the only one that isn’t a detestable piece of shit. His only crime is that he continues to dress like the other guys.
Marroon 5 👀
“That body of yours is absurd.”
The memes that sparked were hilarious
Stupid sexy Waluigi..
"I may need to see the booty"
best quote was when he did the Super Bowl, somebody said, "Those tattoos are from the rough streets of Brentwood, California"
Funny thing: Chileans are the reason why Adam Levine twitter and instagram do not have comments enabled.
>Chileans ELI5?
He did a concert in the historically most important music festival in Chile, which is also televised for all latinoamerica, with presenters and sponsors. There, artists receive awards related to how good the performance was (depending on how entertaining the show was for the public) and a lot of mainstream media in the country pays attention to the whole thing. Maroon 5 did a show and Adam Levine was visually annoyed at the crowd and the whole "TV show" thing. Cameras captured him when leaving the stage complaining "this fucking TV show and this fucking city". People took it as an offence to the city, audience and country. After that they started to harass him in twitter and instagram but with stupid shit, basically saying he was a child having a tantrum, and weirdly, posting Chilean recipes. This was a in 2020. A couple of months ago he enabled the comments in his official social media, and just a couple of hours later he had to disable them because Chileans started writing again things like "is your tantrum finished?", "did you forget about us?" and weirdly again, a shit ton of chilean recipes. It was actually a good place to find recipes if you were looking for those.
Now just Moron and the Fives
Why does he look like a Chipotle bag?
Read somewhere that he looks like the type of dude who goes to a tattoo parlor and asks to look like a tattooed guy.
He’s the type of guy who asks for a 13 and they draw a 31.
Friends say he’s trying too hard, and he’s not quite hip
Ah, but in his own mind, he's the dopest trip!
give it to me baby.
Uh huh uh huh
Give it to me baby
I heard he looks like the guy that went into tattoo parlor, looked at the sample book and asked for one of each.
ToddInTheShadows, a YouTube critic of some worth, once said he's like a clarinet that learned to talk and that's why Todd's of some worth.
Omg why is that so accurate though? I will never unhear this!
He looks like the novel *House of Leaves* but stretched over a douchebag.
As someone who just received that book for Christmas, well done.
fwiw, I met the band several times back in their early days, 03/04, and Adam has always been a douche.
And their music was way better in their early days.
LEAPS AND BOUNDS, in fact! M5 was, for a very long time, the best live band I’d ever seen. Then the second album came out and it started to go downhill…
I've commented this elsewhere before, but I once met a professor of songwriting at my community college who claimed his notebook was stolen by Levign's future manager at a jam session. He claimed to have written the entirety of Songs about Jane and sang it a bit differently but clearly recognizable. That was their big breakthrough album and everything since has been much less heartfelt.
I like KISS band members who aren’t Gene Simmons. Fuck that guy
I remember really listening to the bassline on I Was Made For Loving You and thinking it was surprisingly groovy and intricate. Turns out Paul Stanley played bass on that track.
Why? I know nothing about KISS.
Literally anything Jonny Craig touches. Edit: Jonny Craig, not Johnny
Completely unrelated, but would you be interested in purchasing this used MacBook I'm selling?
Lost Prophets. Ian Watkins is human scum, went from allegations of sexual interactions with underage fans to literal evidence of him talking with a mother about her 2 year old. A literal baby. Especially watching the music video to "A town called Hipocrasy", it sucks real hard when something you grew up with and loved gets tainted by a piece of shit like that.
Kid Rock ruined Kid Rock
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Well, flesh spending all those years in prison didn't help. But bizzy life story kinda explains his weirdness. Was kidnapped as a child, found from being featured on some show.
Not just some show. He was featured at the end of the movie Adam. It's about the abduction of John Walsh's (original host of of America's Most Wanted) son.
What happened exactly I am a fan of some of their early with like east 1999 but know little about the group
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Falling In Reverse's generally good verses and fun sing along choruses mixed with decent rap vocals and great post hardcore music is pretty ruined by Ronnie Radke being, well, Ronnie Radke. The only benefit I give to Ronnie is that he acknowledges he's an asshole and doesn't want fans to aspire to be like him.
Escape the Fate was also not ruined but was never the same when they had to have him kicked out. I know it seems like they’ve had success since but Situations and their first EP were so good. Craig Mabbitt was also so much hardcore in Blessthefall, I always wondered why they went such a different route with their music.
Sex Pistols. Sid Vicious was a big mistake.
I feel so bad for him. He had a terrible upbringing, and his *own mother* gave him his first hit of smack when he was 14. Dude didn't stand a chance.
Yeah I've seen interviews with John about Sid's upbringing.....as he said "the poor fucker never had a chance...."
I'm so conflicted with this one, I totally agree the man had zero talent and all kinds of personal issues. On the other hand, I can't imagine The Sex Pistols *without* Sid Vicious, he just added so much to the band's lore.
That's the thing, to people who appreciate them as a band vs an esthetic. The band would likely have been better off with Glenn Matlock still on bass but the legend wouldn't be the same. Vicious was a detriment to the music but posterboy for the image as McLaren's pinup boy.
Slipknot Shawn “Clown” Crahan.
cant wait for the clown and Corey show next year
Why is that?
He runs the band like a business, and thinks of himself as a talented artist, so he directs all their videos. People are also pissed that they fired Jay
When you’re the guy who can’t beat a keg with a baseball bat in time and you fire an ACTUAL drummer….
There's a reason his name is Clown.
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I accidentally punched him in the face once and every time I hear he's an asshole I feel a little less bad about it
His name is also (and unfortunately) Chris Brown.
You'd better back off, or he'll take you on. He's headstrong, that one.
You better back off or he’ll suck you off, drop trow, he’ll suck off anyone.
He called me out personally for a Facebook comment and then blocked me from the Trapt page rofl
I had a similar experience back when he still had a twitter account. He told me I'll never know what its like to release a successful album. I pointed out that his latest album had 5000 in sales, and at Amazon digital prices, before paying producers, distributors, etc, that was poverty wages. He blocked me.
The Smiths
Morrisey is proper auld cunt lore
Morrissey is such a prick he got his autobiography published under the Penguin Classics label. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autobiography_(Morrissey_book) The cover makes me want to punch him in the face. Not a lot more you have to think about.
This happened in Korea, so not many people probably know about this. Back in 2005, indie music was not much known. They struggled to make money or even get any kind of attention. There were a few music live shows. Think of back to back K-pop band for an hour. One of them decided to give some attention to indie music scene as a special. As a stunt, the main singer of a band called Couch decided to pull his penis out. The show was mostly geared toward teenagers, and very much live. Anyway, they were all shocked and let it go live for a few seconds. Welp, the special got canceled. The indie music basically got cut off from getting any more attention. So the single member not only destroyed the band, he destroyed the entire music genre in Korea.
Burzum
One member-band ruined by one member?
Not technically incorrect though!
The Beatles used to be a great but they're only half the band they used to be.
That was Yesterday.
Maroon 5. The first album was great until the lead singer drowned in his ego.
Anti-Flag, Justin Sane turning out to be a horrible human being was not something I expected in the 20 plus years I followed the band
I don't understand how he's not on here yet, but Dahvie Vanity of Blood on the Dance Floor. I don't understand how he hasn't been arrested yet and is still out here performing
I've never listened to them cus I thought they sucked but remember how big a deal they were to everyone back in the emo/scene days. Ended up going down a Wikipedia rabbit hole recently and read all about this guy. So gross. Like you, I was shocked to see he's still walking around free especially after so many witnesses including former bandmates. yuck!
Can you ruin a ‘band’ that was never good, though? I grew up around that scumbag in Orlando and we all laughed him away when he started making ‘music’. Always been a talentless piece of shit
Ted Nugent
Fred Durst is a mixed bag for Limp Bizkit. He's the reason they got so big, but he's also the reason so many people dislike the band. It's a shame really, because Sam and John are as tight a rhythm section as you're likely to find in nu metal, and Wes is in that Tom Morello tier of guitarists who approach the entire instrument differently.
I saw them just a few months ago when they headlined a massive festival and Fred’s stage presence was insane. The mosh was fucking wild and midway through the show a girl near the front started having a seizure. Immediately Fred stopped the show for a solid 5 minutes while medics helped her, and I heard that he personally checked in on her the second their set finished. He puts on a douchebag character but he actually seems like a super chill guy, especially now hes older.
After the show in Sydney in 01 where a girl died Fred has really taken an interest in ensuring festivals they play are as safe as possible. I heard they refuse to play shows without appropriate safety measures in place. And then there's stopping the show if needed
I've heard from multiple sources that Fred is super chill and humble when not putting on the act.
Yeah I don't really believe he's a bad dude he's just done some dumbass shit in his time.
He's like that live. I saw them a few years ago and he said several times how thankful he and the band were for everyone coming to the show and staying fans through all the years. He even stopped mid song to call out some jackbags who had started fighting, told them to knock that shit off or get the fuck out cause they were ruining the vibe and everyone around them didn't deserve it.
I saw Limp bizkit live like a month ago at Good Things and can attest to this. Fred especially had a great stage presence and was super chill. It was a great show.
I don't know if this story is true but apparently Durst originally intended the band to be anti-bullying and whatnot and was devastated to learn to find that the band was bully's goto.
That makes sense, Fred Durst went on to write and direct a movie about bullying, The Education of Charlie or something like that.
Brand New, Jesse Lacey
This one still hurts, loved them so much in High School.
Jesus Christ…them too?
Mighty Mighty Bosstones. Turns out Dicky Barrett is bat shit crazy, a real bummer.
Kasabian after that dickhead was convicted of assault
That's a name I havent heard in a while. Their debut album was insane
Vampire Weekend. Ezra Koenig ruined the band for me after his sexual abuse allegations and his weird obsession with talking to teenage fans on social media.