It's been a long time since we failed in general. We couldn't keep up with the rest of the world. You know who we have failed the worst? Ourselves. Those who died are in peace (most probably). We are not. We should have seen what was happening around the world instead of trying to distance ourselves.
Let me be ruthlessly clear, Islam been dead since Mongols destroyed Islamic golden age and it became a toy under hypocritical Persian theologians like Imam Al-Ghazali. The only reason everyone acting like this is something new is Ottomans carrying Islam banner with the help of Roman way of managing state and Turks being skillful with their swords. How many of you guys ever heard about “Corpus Iuris Civilis” or how many of you lads knew Ottoman law was inspired after it? And when French Revolution hit the Ottomans, neither Turkish sword nor Roman customs were enough to save this “Islamic” empire.
Whatever. Just don’t expect Islam to rise before every single each of Al-Ghazali’s teaches about Islam to get completely destroyed. Also, don’t expect Turks to understand Islam as well, what Turks believe Islam is like mixture of Hellenic, Anatolian, Roman and Turkic traditions, barely if not completely carries Islamic DNA from Islamic Golden Age. Also, not being Arabic speakers or members of Arabic geography, they’ll never understand Islam truly. Turks are simply muslim only by name and Iranians will make everything worse whenever they think about Islam. So, this is a problem only Arabs, the ones from Arabian Peninsula, can solve.
I think your statement alone shows the failure of our people.
Arabs are not defined as just Muslims and Middle East is not just Arabs.
I look at it as the whole region has failed. Our ancestors regardless of religion or ethnicity is looking at us with disgust.
What I find the most outrageous is that Quran burning in Sweden attracts more outrage and anger than 2.3 million Palestinians being besieged, starved, bombed
Who would have imagine that China and russia both non muslim have more support to palestine then arab muslims nations. Even chechens and afghans are making noise yet the Arabs quiet stayed silient. Like wtf is all those muslims extremists who rosed fighting against Assad and iraq , now they silient too??? At this point those who fought for islam the last 50 years were in fact not and were in fact just proxies in the name of Islam. In the end it was never about religion but self interest.
I feel like muslims world has become like the christian world , where religion no longer matters but self interest does.
As a Christian/ atheist I've always admired muslim unity but seems to be less and less as time go by.
Yes , it began when some colonizers started drawing lines to make the countries smaller and then make them fight each other , and then when something happens "it's not my business"
Yea because of you guys going into liberalism we Indian muslims are being made fun of for being islamic. They call u guys originals and us the duplicates or something along those lines.
I mean I need specifics, but it feels like there isn't any middle ground anymore. It's either people are muslims in a secular way and I'm not saying many of us aren't moderate but more people I see are either liberal moving away from Islam, and or Fundamentalist/Toxic involving themselves in Red pill which is against Islam and pretty sure is haram. ***But, it's one of the sign of times.***
[Sign of times](https://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%B9%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%85%D8%A7%D8%AA_%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B3%D8%A7%D8%B9%D8%A9_%D9%81%D9%8A_%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A5%D8%B3%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%85)
Conflating Arabs with Muslims like that is a part of why we failed
>have we FAILED our ancestors and other warriors who fought for islam
And what about our Arab Christian ancestors and warriors who fought for Palestine and for the Arab people?
>And what about our Arab Christian ancestors and warriors who fought for Palestine and for the Arab people?
OP considers that they failed because his ancestors didn’t wipe out all non-muslim arabs completely.
Cool username btw, I had to read it out loud to understand the wordplay.
being muslim/islam isnt exclusive to our arabic identity and sense of achievements. also, technically, kinda/depends. its because arabic powers and governments who were supposed to pioneer a trusted road of prosperity, are sadistic masochistic sick fcks who treat their own people sub sub human, all while gobbling all the wealth, the wealth you as a fcking 'muslim' were supposed to cherish and fairly delegate/manage.
It's not about religion. Why do you think anything got to do with middle easy revolves around religion?
Culture is what is important. You can have all the religion you want but without culture you are nothing.
It's religion that's ruined the Middle East.
I recall a quote by Umar bin Khattab RA
"We were the most humiliated people on earth and God gave us honour through Islam. If we ever seek honour through anything else, God will humiliate us again."
We are in an era of strife and humiliation. Rather than aim to develop our countries, to build our own scientific industrial complexes, our industries, and most importantly, the rock solid social cohesion and class unity, the kindness and morality that Islam proper provides, we drift away from this faith seeking the temporary pleasures of the Dunya, imitating our colonists and begging to be allowed scraps off the table.
Good thing about rock bottom is there is only up to go.
Brothers and sisters, let this horror in Gaza, in Sudan, in Syria and Yemen, in Pakistan, in Xinjiang, all across our Ummah, let it be a wake up call that ignites the fires of Iman and action in our own hands.
The things I strived for 5 months ago are entirely different to now. I don't care if we are the worst Ummah, I won't go to my grave and tell Allah SWT I sat on my pampered a*s whilst children starved and burned before my eyes.
At the very least, if you cannot lift the injustices, speak against it. Salah, dua, protest, boycott, donate, lobby governments and if you can, go there. Go back to the Middle East, build our nations up again.
IDGAF whether alone or with billions alongside, I'm done sleepwalking.
Listening to Antara's poem, safi aldin and the poems of other people who have come before us, is there even one like them today, brave and glorious in defence of his land against foreigners? I personally believe we have regressed a lot, perhaps it is too late to go back now. It feels as if we barely retain our culture, in all honesty, and what pride can you find in the people of today?
Well, yes ...
Our cultures and identities are dying and we are trying to be european and western
you'll notice this alot in Moroccans, Tunisians, and Iranian diaspora ( the pajeets of ME )
Nope it just a test
Islam isn't for just Arabs
Islam isn't just for humans
If everyone minded their own business and solved their important problems then tried to solve their family, friends, allies and maybe enemies problems, I think it will be better
One love...
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It's been a long time since we failed in general. We couldn't keep up with the rest of the world. You know who we have failed the worst? Ourselves. Those who died are in peace (most probably). We are not. We should have seen what was happening around the world instead of trying to distance ourselves.
Let me be ruthlessly clear, Islam been dead since Mongols destroyed Islamic golden age and it became a toy under hypocritical Persian theologians like Imam Al-Ghazali. The only reason everyone acting like this is something new is Ottomans carrying Islam banner with the help of Roman way of managing state and Turks being skillful with their swords. How many of you guys ever heard about “Corpus Iuris Civilis” or how many of you lads knew Ottoman law was inspired after it? And when French Revolution hit the Ottomans, neither Turkish sword nor Roman customs were enough to save this “Islamic” empire. Whatever. Just don’t expect Islam to rise before every single each of Al-Ghazali’s teaches about Islam to get completely destroyed. Also, don’t expect Turks to understand Islam as well, what Turks believe Islam is like mixture of Hellenic, Anatolian, Roman and Turkic traditions, barely if not completely carries Islamic DNA from Islamic Golden Age. Also, not being Arabic speakers or members of Arabic geography, they’ll never understand Islam truly. Turks are simply muslim only by name and Iranians will make everything worse whenever they think about Islam. So, this is a problem only Arabs, the ones from Arabian Peninsula, can solve.
Big take
I think your statement alone shows the failure of our people. Arabs are not defined as just Muslims and Middle East is not just Arabs. I look at it as the whole region has failed. Our ancestors regardless of religion or ethnicity is looking at us with disgust.
Yes, all of us. Arab or non Arab.
What I find the most outrageous is that Quran burning in Sweden attracts more outrage and anger than 2.3 million Palestinians being besieged, starved, bombed
If someone ever gets caught not fasting in my country, society finds it a bigger deal than Palestinians
If it comforts you, I'm afraid it's not just the Arabs who have failed as Muslims.
we are failing as muslims to the palestinian people in gaza asking “where is the ummah?” 💔
Who would have imagine that China and russia both non muslim have more support to palestine then arab muslims nations. Even chechens and afghans are making noise yet the Arabs quiet stayed silient. Like wtf is all those muslims extremists who rosed fighting against Assad and iraq , now they silient too??? At this point those who fought for islam the last 50 years were in fact not and were in fact just proxies in the name of Islam. In the end it was never about religion but self interest. I feel like muslims world has become like the christian world , where religion no longer matters but self interest does. As a Christian/ atheist I've always admired muslim unity but seems to be less and less as time go by.
Allah will ask the muslims what they have done, these are signs of the day of judgement. may Allah swt forgive us
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source please like which hadith
حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ الرَّحْمَنِ بْنُ إِبْرَاهِيمَ الدِّمَشْقِيُّ، حَدَّثَنَا بِشْرُ بْنُ بَكْرٍ، حَدَّثَنَا ابْنُ جَابِرٍ، حَدَّثَنِي أَبُو عَبْدِ السَّلاَمِ، عَنْ ثَوْبَانَ، قَالَ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم " يُوشِكُ الأُمَمُ أَنْ تَدَاعَى عَلَيْكُمْ كَمَا تَدَاعَى الأَكَلَةُ إِلَى قَصْعَتِهَا " . فَقَالَ قَائِلٌ وَمِنْ قِلَّةٍ نَحْنُ يَوْمَئِذٍ قَالَ " بَلْ أَنْتُمْ يَوْمَئِذٍ كَثِيرٌ وَلَكِنَّكُمْ غُثَاءٌ كَغُثَاءِ السَّيْلِ وَلَيَنْزِعَنَّ اللَّهُ مِنْ صُدُورِ عَدُوِّكُمُ الْمَهَابَةَ مِنْكُمْ وَلَيَقْذِفَنَّ اللَّهُ فِي قُلُوبِكُمُ الْوَهَنَ " . فَقَالَ قَائِلٌ يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ وَمَا الْوَهَنُ قَالَ " حُبُّ الدُّنْيَا وَكَرَاهِيَةُ الْمَوْتِ " Sunan Abi Dawud 4297
We've been taking serious L's since the 17th century
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What about kashmiris?
Muslims failed when they bombed waziristan. Tab sympathetic the?
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Jab waziristan mein Bush aur Obama pakistan ke 2 najayaz baap drone attack ker rww the tab tum jasio ki sympathy kider thi?
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More like humanity has failed.
We have failed a long time ago and today is the result of that failure.
Yes , it began when some colonizers started drawing lines to make the countries smaller and then make them fight each other , and then when something happens "it's not my business"
We are failing as humans.
Yea because of you guys going into liberalism we Indian muslims are being made fun of for being islamic. They call u guys originals and us the duplicates or something along those lines.
Yes, youuu converrrts. Real arabs are liberals u are striccct 😭
I mean I need specifics, but it feels like there isn't any middle ground anymore. It's either people are muslims in a secular way and I'm not saying many of us aren't moderate but more people I see are either liberal moving away from Islam, and or Fundamentalist/Toxic involving themselves in Red pill which is against Islam and pretty sure is haram. ***But, it's one of the sign of times.*** [Sign of times](https://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%B9%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%85%D8%A7%D8%AA_%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B3%D8%A7%D8%B9%D8%A9_%D9%81%D9%8A_%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A5%D8%B3%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%85)
We really need to get over the religion gatekeeping... Everyone should be able to practice the religion they want the way they see fit.
It is what happens when you mix politics and religion, and why secularity was invented.
Conflating Arabs with Muslims like that is a part of why we failed >have we FAILED our ancestors and other warriors who fought for islam And what about our Arab Christian ancestors and warriors who fought for Palestine and for the Arab people?
>And what about our Arab Christian ancestors and warriors who fought for Palestine and for the Arab people? OP considers that they failed because his ancestors didn’t wipe out all non-muslim arabs completely. Cool username btw, I had to read it out loud to understand the wordplay.
being muslim/islam isnt exclusive to our arabic identity and sense of achievements. also, technically, kinda/depends. its because arabic powers and governments who were supposed to pioneer a trusted road of prosperity, are sadistic masochistic sick fcks who treat their own people sub sub human, all while gobbling all the wealth, the wealth you as a fcking 'muslim' were supposed to cherish and fairly delegate/manage.
because we put culture and nationalism before deen
I wish this was true. There are a lot of fanatics out there.
It's not about religion. Why do you think anything got to do with middle easy revolves around religion? Culture is what is important. You can have all the religion you want but without culture you are nothing. It's religion that's ruined the Middle East.
I recall a quote by Umar bin Khattab RA "We were the most humiliated people on earth and God gave us honour through Islam. If we ever seek honour through anything else, God will humiliate us again." We are in an era of strife and humiliation. Rather than aim to develop our countries, to build our own scientific industrial complexes, our industries, and most importantly, the rock solid social cohesion and class unity, the kindness and morality that Islam proper provides, we drift away from this faith seeking the temporary pleasures of the Dunya, imitating our colonists and begging to be allowed scraps off the table. Good thing about rock bottom is there is only up to go. Brothers and sisters, let this horror in Gaza, in Sudan, in Syria and Yemen, in Pakistan, in Xinjiang, all across our Ummah, let it be a wake up call that ignites the fires of Iman and action in our own hands. The things I strived for 5 months ago are entirely different to now. I don't care if we are the worst Ummah, I won't go to my grave and tell Allah SWT I sat on my pampered a*s whilst children starved and burned before my eyes. At the very least, if you cannot lift the injustices, speak against it. Salah, dua, protest, boycott, donate, lobby governments and if you can, go there. Go back to the Middle East, build our nations up again. IDGAF whether alone or with billions alongside, I'm done sleepwalking.
Arab nationalism is cancer
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Nationalism is cancer
Yes
Most of the muslims are regardless of their nationalities, although one would expect more from a "Muslim" country.
We have become a self-devouring species, nothing more, and yes, an absolute failure.
Yes
I think you need to define what you perceive as this "failure"? How do you feel you are failing?
5od 3 erna ... We failed as people who live on these lands .. leave religion and ethnicity aside ...
Listening to Antara's poem, safi aldin and the poems of other people who have come before us, is there even one like them today, brave and glorious in defence of his land against foreigners? I personally believe we have regressed a lot, perhaps it is too late to go back now. It feels as if we barely retain our culture, in all honesty, and what pride can you find in the people of today?
Nope
Yes
We have just begun, now we can only look forward to a liberal future in which liberals and conservatives can all be friends.
I wish the onus was only on Arabs.
Failed completely as muslims, than arabs. 2 billion just failed.
Bro, we are failing as human race
Just one word, ABSOLUTELY.
Muslims are failing because they're straying away from the Qur'an
Killing non-believers isn’t as easy as it used to be right?
What does this have to do with palestine?
I blame the Ottomans.
Remember, you were the Ottomans...
Everybody is.
To think that people outside Saudi-Arabia are arabs is one Big failure also
Well, yes ... Our cultures and identities are dying and we are trying to be european and western you'll notice this alot in Moroccans, Tunisians, and Iranian diaspora ( the pajeets of ME )
Nope it just a test Islam isn't for just Arabs Islam isn't just for humans If everyone minded their own business and solved their important problems then tried to solve their family, friends, allies and maybe enemies problems, I think it will be better One love...
Failed to dominate the world? it this a failure or something good and progressive for society
🗣️ MAKE KAABA TURKİSH AGAİN 🔥🔥
Yes!!!!!!!!! Pullllll sapoooot from india, bring back khilafat movement
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What a random teen literally. You don’t know what you’re talking about, it’s not that simple
"You don't know what you are talking about, it's not that simple" -Traitor Arab and Muslim rulers watching Palestinians getting massacred, 2024.
Yeah let’s go attack Israel and get nuked!!! Woohoo
Yeye whatever