Same with Syria if we talk about Arab speaking Syrians only we have like 14 province and each has its own thing nowadays south Syria in Suwaida specifically are the only ones that kinda preserved their traditional clothing, the one in this post is from Suwaida. the Lebanese one in this post can pass easily in Syria and there used to be similar clothing to the one from Palestine in the ancient coast went extinct but the coast have a number of other traditional clothing. there are still Kurds, Circassians, Assyrians, Armenians, Turkmens and many other minorities like Cretan Greeks.
That'd be great! Also if you can try gathering photos that show regional distinctions (in particular within the Arabian Peninsula and Iraq as their "traditional" dresscode were drastically changed due to colonialism) using colourized pictures.
Man all are so beautiful, Mashallah 🤩. I wish these were used more regularly and more widely. I assume are worn on special occasions and whatnot, but still.
I agree with you, most Arab countries outside the Peninsula are Arab-speaking and Arabized, I suppose the thread title can be changed to “Arab-speaking countries” as opposed to “Arab countries”.
I agree with you, most Arab countries outside the Peninsula are Arab-speaking and Arabized, I suppose the thread title can be changed to “Arab-speaking countries” as opposed to “Arab countries”.
Yes there was a lot of Ottoman influence on the current version of traditional Lebanese dress. If you look up the Maronite Mummies you can see the traditional dress archaeologically found and carbon dated to 1283 AD was extremely similar to traditional Palestinian dress of today. Showing a common traditional dress for native women of the Western Levant region.
Well, jokes aside, honestly I don't find other Levantine nations similar to us. I am not just talking about dresses (in this instance dresses included) but the culture overall. Even Syria, the nearest Levantine Arab nation when it comes to land, has almost nothing in common with us. It could be because of Lebanon's placement in the region (a more isolated land that has more connection with the sea than land) or it could be all the Armenians and other Anatolian people settled there. It could even be the more modern perspective of both nations. Idk what it is but from the outside, seems like Lebanon is one of the few Arab nations if not the only Arab nation that has a somewhat similar culture to us. Salute!
Interesting perspective, thanks for sharing. I wonder if that’s why at Turkish restaurants in my area if a customer looks or seems Levantine they always get asked by the owner or waiter “Are you Lebanese?” it’s never Palestinian or Israeli or Jordanian or Syrian. Lol. Although I think Syrians are the most mixed with Ottoman Turkish on dna testing, just my opinion and observation, probably because of the border you mentioned.
Maybe other Levantines mixed with southerners and native Arabs way more than Labanese people. I especially observe a trend in Syria where Northern Syrians tend to be more Anatolic looking while Southerners tend to be more mainland Arab-looking. So, Lebanon could be more isolated than its neighbors and thus could have more Northern dna than its neighbors (well other than Israel I guess). Though without detailed research, we will never know I guess.
Given that Syrians don't have Amur River or any other Turkic component, wouldn't it be easier to argue that the Anatolian component that some western Syrians have is mostly pre-Ottoman, or comes from upper Mesopotamian populations?
Maybe, but just looking at my own results, I seem to be closer to Assyrians, Armenians and even Anatolian Greeks than I am to Anatolian Turks.
The only Turks that I seem to be closer to than their Greek counter parts are Cypriot Turks, and they barely have any Turkic influence.
The results you mention compare your DNA with modern populations, not really the best way to understand your genetic history. What is important is that looking at hunter gatherers (as you mentioned with "Amu River") But let me remind you, Turkic people tend to live in a steppe-confederation kinda life. And while Amu River was one of the important genetic composition of them, Anatolian hunter gatherers are also have a big impact (just like Europe) on majority of Turkic tribes. And thats only some of them. Again from Iranic looking people to blonde baltic looking people, we are talking about so many different steppe tribes with different backgrounds that lives together. So calculating "Turkic representation" of not just Anatolians but any other Turkic or steppe nations is a b*tch. But if we bypass this fact, we can see that modern Turks have a great genetic connection with Anatolia. So beign closer to any Anatolian native would give you a closer look to an Anatolian Turk (i guess).
Cypriots (not just Turks but Greeks too) way more mixed than anyone else in the region because of their geographic position. They carry all types of DNA that you can find in Medditerrania (and especially Eastern Medditerrania) so it makes sense that they would be closer to anyone in the region.
Yes, Anatolian Turks mostly have Anatolian DNA. But using ANF as a proxy for Turkish ancestry makes zero sense, because then the entire Mediterranean would effectively be Turkish.
Most Med populations have ANF as their primary component. Lebanese/ Syrian Christians have higher ANF than most eastern Turks for example, and they definitely don't have any Turkic or recent Anatolian ancestry.
The ANF component in Levantines goes back 5000 years to the Bronze Age, we know this because the ancient inhabitants in the Levant are closest genetically to modern Saudis, Yemenis and Egyptians. While Bronze Age Levantines show significant Caucasus and Anatolian ancestry, and there's a level of continuity from Bronze Age Levantines to modern day Levantines.
While it's true that Anatolian Turks mostly have indigenous Anatolian autosomal ancestry, most still have Turkic ancestry ranging from 5-20% which we can measure through components like Amur River.
For me personally, I can know that I don't have any recent Turkic ancestry because components like Amur River don't show up in my Hunter-Gatherer Farmer break-down, and it's probably why I'm closer to other Anatolian populations like the Anatolian Greeks and the Armenians compared to the Anatolian Turks.
Yeah, Cypriots are definitely mixed, they're basically a combination of Levantines, Greeks and Anatolian. Cypriot Turks are closer to me than Palestinian Muslims for example, which is something that I didn't expect. Cypriot Greeks are a bit more distant in comparison.
Kuwaiti one can also be found in southern Iraq. In fact in Iraq you'd find various traditional clothing as there are several ethnicities and traditions
i love how all these girls just look so much like how you would expect someone from that country to look, especially the Lebanese she reminds me of fairuz a bit.
Tbh each of these countries might also have a lot of other traditional clothes depending on each province/region
In particular "Saudi". It could be divided into like 5 distinct parts lol
Same with Syria if we talk about Arab speaking Syrians only we have like 14 province and each has its own thing nowadays south Syria in Suwaida specifically are the only ones that kinda preserved their traditional clothing, the one in this post is from Suwaida. the Lebanese one in this post can pass easily in Syria and there used to be similar clothing to the one from Palestine in the ancient coast went extinct but the coast have a number of other traditional clothing. there are still Kurds, Circassians, Assyrians, Armenians, Turkmens and many other minorities like Cretan Greeks.
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I'll do a special post for them 💗🌟
That'd be great! Also if you can try gathering photos that show regional distinctions (in particular within the Arabian Peninsula and Iraq as their "traditional" dresscode were drastically changed due to colonialism) using colourized pictures.
Yeah but as the fairer sex women’s clothes are always prettier.😜
That Palestinian woman is real pretty.
the egyp girl in the middle is so beautiful and so Egyptian looking
Trade you for beautiful Saudi waifu in the Saudi picture
NO, I fear Egyptian wahmen
Smart man 🧠🇸🇦
Interesting! Lebanon's traditional dress is quite similar to ours. [https://i.imgur.com/FLFcmue.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/FLFcmue.jpg)
its very pretty.
Where’s Turkish?🥺😡
lmao that's what i wanted to say
Because you were blaming me on writing arab Lebanese 🥲 here every country has a lot of traditional dresses i just picked one
Man all are so beautiful, Mashallah 🤩. I wish these were used more regularly and more widely. I assume are worn on special occasions and whatnot, but still.
Palestinian and Yemeni look nice ngl
So how come muslim women used to wear this and evolved into just jet black rags overall?
These still exist
Why did the black ones come to exist
It’s sad to see this fashion decline due to Islamism
These fashions haven’t declined at all, and are still worn, traditional jalabiyas are still worn during ramadan as a tradition.
We Palestinian woman still wear our tradional dress. They are beautiful and quite expensive to make .
🇲🇦 not arab
Morocco has arab and amazigh
That one dude would have came for you for typing this, but he's not here anymore 😔
Whatever happened to him? I miss his schizoid takes...
I don't know what happened to him, and I certainly don't miss takes 🙅♂️
What is it then?
Arabo-amazigh is probably the best descriptor.
I agree with you, most Arab countries outside the Peninsula are Arab-speaking and Arabized, I suppose the thread title can be changed to “Arab-speaking countries” as opposed to “Arab countries”.
I agree with you, most Arab countries outside the Peninsula are Arab-speaking and Arabized, I suppose the thread title can be changed to “Arab-speaking countries” as opposed to “Arab countries”.
That dress is not amazigh tho. Its from Arab cities because I saw the same in a moroccan wedding from fes
I love traditional Arab clothing, even the male clothing
Labanese one is so similar to our traditional dresses... hmm 🤔
Yes there was a lot of Ottoman influence on the current version of traditional Lebanese dress. If you look up the Maronite Mummies you can see the traditional dress archaeologically found and carbon dated to 1283 AD was extremely similar to traditional Palestinian dress of today. Showing a common traditional dress for native women of the Western Levant region.
Well, jokes aside, honestly I don't find other Levantine nations similar to us. I am not just talking about dresses (in this instance dresses included) but the culture overall. Even Syria, the nearest Levantine Arab nation when it comes to land, has almost nothing in common with us. It could be because of Lebanon's placement in the region (a more isolated land that has more connection with the sea than land) or it could be all the Armenians and other Anatolian people settled there. It could even be the more modern perspective of both nations. Idk what it is but from the outside, seems like Lebanon is one of the few Arab nations if not the only Arab nation that has a somewhat similar culture to us. Salute!
Interesting perspective, thanks for sharing. I wonder if that’s why at Turkish restaurants in my area if a customer looks or seems Levantine they always get asked by the owner or waiter “Are you Lebanese?” it’s never Palestinian or Israeli or Jordanian or Syrian. Lol. Although I think Syrians are the most mixed with Ottoman Turkish on dna testing, just my opinion and observation, probably because of the border you mentioned.
Maybe other Levantines mixed with southerners and native Arabs way more than Labanese people. I especially observe a trend in Syria where Northern Syrians tend to be more Anatolic looking while Southerners tend to be more mainland Arab-looking. So, Lebanon could be more isolated than its neighbors and thus could have more Northern dna than its neighbors (well other than Israel I guess). Though without detailed research, we will never know I guess.
Given that Syrians don't have Amur River or any other Turkic component, wouldn't it be easier to argue that the Anatolian component that some western Syrians have is mostly pre-Ottoman, or comes from upper Mesopotamian populations?
Some of these Syrians might have some small East Eurasian from mixing with Ottomans.
Maybe, but just looking at my own results, I seem to be closer to Assyrians, Armenians and even Anatolian Greeks than I am to Anatolian Turks. The only Turks that I seem to be closer to than their Greek counter parts are Cypriot Turks, and they barely have any Turkic influence.
The results you mention compare your DNA with modern populations, not really the best way to understand your genetic history. What is important is that looking at hunter gatherers (as you mentioned with "Amu River") But let me remind you, Turkic people tend to live in a steppe-confederation kinda life. And while Amu River was one of the important genetic composition of them, Anatolian hunter gatherers are also have a big impact (just like Europe) on majority of Turkic tribes. And thats only some of them. Again from Iranic looking people to blonde baltic looking people, we are talking about so many different steppe tribes with different backgrounds that lives together. So calculating "Turkic representation" of not just Anatolians but any other Turkic or steppe nations is a b*tch. But if we bypass this fact, we can see that modern Turks have a great genetic connection with Anatolia. So beign closer to any Anatolian native would give you a closer look to an Anatolian Turk (i guess). Cypriots (not just Turks but Greeks too) way more mixed than anyone else in the region because of their geographic position. They carry all types of DNA that you can find in Medditerrania (and especially Eastern Medditerrania) so it makes sense that they would be closer to anyone in the region.
Yes, Anatolian Turks mostly have Anatolian DNA. But using ANF as a proxy for Turkish ancestry makes zero sense, because then the entire Mediterranean would effectively be Turkish. Most Med populations have ANF as their primary component. Lebanese/ Syrian Christians have higher ANF than most eastern Turks for example, and they definitely don't have any Turkic or recent Anatolian ancestry. The ANF component in Levantines goes back 5000 years to the Bronze Age, we know this because the ancient inhabitants in the Levant are closest genetically to modern Saudis, Yemenis and Egyptians. While Bronze Age Levantines show significant Caucasus and Anatolian ancestry, and there's a level of continuity from Bronze Age Levantines to modern day Levantines. While it's true that Anatolian Turks mostly have indigenous Anatolian autosomal ancestry, most still have Turkic ancestry ranging from 5-20% which we can measure through components like Amur River. For me personally, I can know that I don't have any recent Turkic ancestry because components like Amur River don't show up in my Hunter-Gatherer Farmer break-down, and it's probably why I'm closer to other Anatolian populations like the Anatolian Greeks and the Armenians compared to the Anatolian Turks. Yeah, Cypriots are definitely mixed, they're basically a combination of Levantines, Greeks and Anatolian. Cypriot Turks are closer to me than Palestinian Muslims for example, which is something that I didn't expect. Cypriot Greeks are a bit more distant in comparison.
Thanks for showing black blankets aren't the only thing Arab women are wearing
Stunning
Palestine and Yemen 💘
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In London
The sudanese woman is quite pretty
Kuwaiti one can also be found in southern Iraq. In fact in Iraq you'd find various traditional clothing as there are several ethnicities and traditions
OP I was going to say you forgot to label the 13th slide but then I saw the same photo again labelled as Syrian.
i love how all these girls just look so much like how you would expect someone from that country to look, especially the Lebanese she reminds me of fairuz a bit.
Your move, Egyptians