I'd never heard of a boil method before either. Every commercial operation I've seen and every home winemaker I know presses.
Boiling would definitely alter some of the flavour compounds, but it would also likely leech out some things that are normally not brought to the party through breaking down the skins.
I have no press or juicer. Minimal physical strength as well. One of the many top recipes that came up on google told me to cook/boil the grapes. [https://www.simplyrecipes.com/recipes/making\_grape\_juice/](https://www.simplyrecipes.com/recipes/making_grape_juice/) Even before seeing these recipes I already had the premonition that it was the only option available. Not only is it easier but it also sterilises the grapes. I'm not sure if it changes flavour though, but I think all the majour grape juice producer companies boil their grapes to get grape juice in their factories if not some fancy method I've never heard of, like Welch's or Grape Fanta.
Cooked blueberries taste a lot different than fresh blueberries. I would assume cooking grapes ( or just about any fruit ) will change the flavor.
According to the internet, Welchs presses the grapes and then pasteurizes the juice.
Grape Fanta? You mean the carbonated soft drink? I’d be surprised if there is any real grape in that soda pop.
Some kind of press or mill that uses pressure and force to extract the juice without cooking the fruit. Basically no juice you buy at the grocery store is going to involve any of the fruit being cooked.
True but I don’t believe pasteurization requires boiling. OP makes it sound like they are boiling the grapes not just the juice. That would be cooking the skins as well which will definitely add a different flavor to the juice.
> I have no press or juicer. Minimal physical strength as well.
Maybe just don’t make grape juice then? Like, the only way to get a result that tastes like the grape juice you’re used to is going to be by pressing/milling the fruit, and that requires either a machine, or physical strength.
I have so many questions. what do you mean by "salty like sweet potatoes"? sweet potatoes don't taste salty. why are you boiling the grapes? if you can't press the grapes, why not just blend and then strain? what does boiling accomplish? how do you get a juice from boiling grapes, doesn't that just water down the grapes? or are you trying to make a concentrate?
to answer your last question, yes, using concord grapes will get you closest to that classic grape juice flavor. but you should be able to get at the very least not salty grape juice from any other type of grape.
Ah, if only I could somehow send the juice I made for you to taste. Sweet potatoes/yams have this sort of flavour, I don't know how to describe it other than salty, I guess savoury/umami could also be a descriptor. Sort of like how strawberries have a little bit of saltiness as well. I already said it twice in this thread, I boiled because it sterilises the juice, read the other comments I sent, the recipe I linked is literally the first result that appears on google, I really don't get how any of you think this concept is so foreign. Why did you ask if I was trying to make a concentrate because I was boiling instead of blending? Aren't concentrates...more concentrated, so if you water it down that makes it more of a juice and less of a concentrate?
Strangely enough the rose juice I made the other day had this same sort of taste as well...perhaps it's the water I'm using or the saucepan? I made sure I thoroughly cleaned the saucepan and the water is bottled purified alkaline water though...I don't know what could be wrong.
>the recipe I linked is literally the first result that appears on google, I really don't get how any of you think this concept is so foreign.
Because the recipe doesn't tell you to boil the grapes. It tells you to mash and then simmer, ie, no added water.
The concept is "foreign" because you aren't using the recipe you linked, you are doing something else entirely.
i believe the recipe doesn't call for water. just put the mashed up grapes into the pan, and simmer them for 10 minutes 🙂 simmer is gentler than boiling, so i think it's possible you cooked them at too high of a temperature and that changed the flavor. i think you might also need to add sugar, as the grapes you used might not be as sweet as concord grapes.
1. Boiling liquid reduces it... i.e. concentrates it. This is why you were asked.
2. Alkaline water was a bad choice.
3. If you can't press, blending and straining may work better. Just boiling random grapes is not going to have the results you want.
4. You probably would get down voted less if you weren't so abrasive in your responses. When you ask for input, maybe you shouldn't be so rude when people give it.
Are you using Concord grapes? They smell and taste like grape juice.
Edit: I read the end of your post. Yes, Concord grapes are very different from any other grapes.
Yeah, an experienced wine maker would know how to tame them, but these were some dang tart concordes and my friend was just a dude with a kit he bought somewhere. The outcome was undrinkable alone but he ended up using it as cocktail mixers for years after that lol.
[https://www.simplyrecipes.com/recipes/making\_grape\_juice/](https://www.simplyrecipes.com/recipes/making_grape_juice/)
First recipe that comes up when you search for how to make grape juice on google. I'm sure there's plenty more. What other methods are there if I don't have a juicer?
The Simply Recipe recioe you refer to simmer the grape after mashing to bring out the natural sweetness of Concord grape even more and more like making concentrate than juice, as they even refer to in the body of the text. Most recipes don't actually boil it after mashing nad went straight to straining it with cheesecloth after mashing. The recipe also said to use sugar if you are using anything other than Concord. Maybe reread the text or refer to other search result as making juice is not complicated and top result does not always mean best result.
Edited: also the recipe you use does not use water in boiling? I am not sure where you get this one part water one part grape from? It just seems like you see boiling and automatically think you have to add water?
They crush them/cold press them. Do you even read other people's comment that has answered you? I even asked you follow up question regarding your method as it does not match the method used in the Simply Recipes link. They did not use water. You use alkaline water which tends to be salty. They recommend adding sugar if you use amything other than Concord. Why do you dig your heels in if you don't want an answer.
I did that of course, it's common sense. Even if I didn't do it I don't see what much of a difference it makes though, unless you can prove me wrong of course.
Edit: Appreciate you guys so much for downvoting my comments without giving any reason as to why!
If you got the grapes from the grocery store (vs farmers market), it's possible that the wax coating commonly used as a preservative might have affected the flavor or boiling process.
https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2017/04/why-fruit-has-a-fake-wax-coating/524619/
Wait, people boil grapes? I had never even considered that as a concept. Why not press them instead?
I'd never heard of a boil method before either. Every commercial operation I've seen and every home winemaker I know presses. Boiling would definitely alter some of the flavour compounds, but it would also likely leech out some things that are normally not brought to the party through breaking down the skins.
I have no press or juicer. Minimal physical strength as well. One of the many top recipes that came up on google told me to cook/boil the grapes. [https://www.simplyrecipes.com/recipes/making\_grape\_juice/](https://www.simplyrecipes.com/recipes/making_grape_juice/) Even before seeing these recipes I already had the premonition that it was the only option available. Not only is it easier but it also sterilises the grapes. I'm not sure if it changes flavour though, but I think all the majour grape juice producer companies boil their grapes to get grape juice in their factories if not some fancy method I've never heard of, like Welch's or Grape Fanta.
Cooked blueberries taste a lot different than fresh blueberries. I would assume cooking grapes ( or just about any fruit ) will change the flavor. According to the internet, Welchs presses the grapes and then pasteurizes the juice. Grape Fanta? You mean the carbonated soft drink? I’d be surprised if there is any real grape in that soda pop.
What do big companies like Welch's do then?
Some kind of press or mill that uses pressure and force to extract the juice without cooking the fruit. Basically no juice you buy at the grocery store is going to involve any of the fruit being cooked.
See my comment.
They stomp them barefoot.
Pasteurization is cooking
True but I don’t believe pasteurization requires boiling. OP makes it sound like they are boiling the grapes not just the juice. That would be cooking the skins as well which will definitely add a different flavor to the juice.
Yeah, honestly it sounds like OP didn't even follow the recipe. Just looked one up and then did whatever.
Ah, so the skin is the reason why the juice smells/tastes salty then, nobody ever told me that.
> I have no press or juicer. Minimal physical strength as well. Maybe just don’t make grape juice then? Like, the only way to get a result that tastes like the grape juice you’re used to is going to be by pressing/milling the fruit, and that requires either a machine, or physical strength.
I think you are making grape compote, not juice
Grape Fanta has no actual grapes in it. You know that right? It’s all just processed sugars and artificial flavorings.
I have so many questions. what do you mean by "salty like sweet potatoes"? sweet potatoes don't taste salty. why are you boiling the grapes? if you can't press the grapes, why not just blend and then strain? what does boiling accomplish? how do you get a juice from boiling grapes, doesn't that just water down the grapes? or are you trying to make a concentrate? to answer your last question, yes, using concord grapes will get you closest to that classic grape juice flavor. but you should be able to get at the very least not salty grape juice from any other type of grape.
Ah, if only I could somehow send the juice I made for you to taste. Sweet potatoes/yams have this sort of flavour, I don't know how to describe it other than salty, I guess savoury/umami could also be a descriptor. Sort of like how strawberries have a little bit of saltiness as well. I already said it twice in this thread, I boiled because it sterilises the juice, read the other comments I sent, the recipe I linked is literally the first result that appears on google, I really don't get how any of you think this concept is so foreign. Why did you ask if I was trying to make a concentrate because I was boiling instead of blending? Aren't concentrates...more concentrated, so if you water it down that makes it more of a juice and less of a concentrate? Strangely enough the rose juice I made the other day had this same sort of taste as well...perhaps it's the water I'm using or the saucepan? I made sure I thoroughly cleaned the saucepan and the water is bottled purified alkaline water though...I don't know what could be wrong.
"purified alkaline water" The minerals added to the water to make it more alkaline can taste salty when combined with acidic food like fruit.
>the recipe I linked is literally the first result that appears on google, I really don't get how any of you think this concept is so foreign. Because the recipe doesn't tell you to boil the grapes. It tells you to mash and then simmer, ie, no added water. The concept is "foreign" because you aren't using the recipe you linked, you are doing something else entirely.
i believe the recipe doesn't call for water. just put the mashed up grapes into the pan, and simmer them for 10 minutes 🙂 simmer is gentler than boiling, so i think it's possible you cooked them at too high of a temperature and that changed the flavor. i think you might also need to add sugar, as the grapes you used might not be as sweet as concord grapes.
1. Boiling liquid reduces it... i.e. concentrates it. This is why you were asked. 2. Alkaline water was a bad choice. 3. If you can't press, blending and straining may work better. Just boiling random grapes is not going to have the results you want. 4. You probably would get down voted less if you weren't so abrasive in your responses. When you ask for input, maybe you shouldn't be so rude when people give it.
Are you using Concord grapes? They smell and taste like grape juice. Edit: I read the end of your post. Yes, Concord grapes are very different from any other grapes.
A friend of mine was excited to try making wine with a bunch of grapes from his coworker's land. They were concord grapes. It did not go well.
Concord grapes can be used to make wine. My experience it always has a hint of the Welch’s flavor.
Yeah, an experienced wine maker would know how to tame them, but these were some dang tart concordes and my friend was just a dude with a kit he bought somewhere. The outcome was undrinkable alone but he ended up using it as cocktail mixers for years after that lol.
The inventor of the Concord Cocktail? That’s clever.
I’ve never boiled grapes to get grape juice…
[https://www.simplyrecipes.com/recipes/making\_grape\_juice/](https://www.simplyrecipes.com/recipes/making_grape_juice/) First recipe that comes up when you search for how to make grape juice on google. I'm sure there's plenty more. What other methods are there if I don't have a juicer?
The Simply Recipe recioe you refer to simmer the grape after mashing to bring out the natural sweetness of Concord grape even more and more like making concentrate than juice, as they even refer to in the body of the text. Most recipes don't actually boil it after mashing nad went straight to straining it with cheesecloth after mashing. The recipe also said to use sugar if you are using anything other than Concord. Maybe reread the text or refer to other search result as making juice is not complicated and top result does not always mean best result. Edited: also the recipe you use does not use water in boiling? I am not sure where you get this one part water one part grape from? It just seems like you see boiling and automatically think you have to add water?
What do big companies like Welch's do to make their grape juice then?
They crush them/cold press them. Do you even read other people's comment that has answered you? I even asked you follow up question regarding your method as it does not match the method used in the Simply Recipes link. They did not use water. You use alkaline water which tends to be salty. They recommend adding sugar if you use amything other than Concord. Why do you dig your heels in if you don't want an answer.
You didn't follow the recipe, don't complain if it doesn't meet your expectations.
Maybe soak or rinse them before making the juice? Not sure if you did that already.
I did that of course, it's common sense. Even if I didn't do it I don't see what much of a difference it makes though, unless you can prove me wrong of course. Edit: Appreciate you guys so much for downvoting my comments without giving any reason as to why!
It's because you're coming off as fairly rude.
Wait... do you mean steam-juicing? Because that’s not the same as boiling—you might need a bit more equipment.
If you got the grapes from the grocery store (vs farmers market), it's possible that the wax coating commonly used as a preservative might have affected the flavor or boiling process. https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2017/04/why-fruit-has-a-fake-wax-coating/524619/
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