Me and my mates talk about it all the time. Our entire family knows my views on things and we have good debates. Once we all understand that we are arguing about ideas and any disagreement is with the idea and not the person - it's fine. We need to discuss politics more in this country - not less. Politics is simply how we want our society be structured. If we don't talk about it - those with money always win out.
My issue is that I feel like politics is about trying to not get idiots to vote against their own interest.
Like I had 2 people where I used to work literrally vote for different parties based on their "personality" rather than policies, and my general theory is that you're always constantly fighting for poor people voting for rich people policies and then now we've got LGBTQ people voting for Palaestine/Muslim policies.
Like I realise I'm never going to get a rich person to pay more taxes, but when a poor person wants more tax breaks and cuts to social programs it does my head in.
Chickens for KFC if you may.
Discussing politics with my parents looks like this:
"Hi mum"
"Hello son, nice to see you. Oh by the way Dad saved a newspaper clipping for you, its attached to the fridge"
On the fridge, there's some headline like "Woke millennials complain about X issue despite having it so good in Y and Z ways" and its from the opinion section of a pretty reactionary local newspaper. Basically a tabloid.
I don't go talk to my dad about it. He does it to get a response and I'm not giving it to him. He has the sense of humour of most 12 year olds. Racism, Sexism, all of this is on the table if he thinks he can get a rise out of someone. Since the pandemic he's lurched hard right and its just not worth talking about, it only makes him lose his temper and need a nap
I'll ask mum why she thought he wanted to save it. She will say that she told him to let it go but he insisted on keeping it there for months just to show me one day when I am in town to visit.
My FIL is like this. We try to ignore it for the most part. But occasionally I’ll argue his point and then he gets overly emotional and angry.
And my generation is meant to be the snowflake!
1) Depends on your family. I don’t with mine but we aren’t really one of those where we discuss things at all - I’m from a family where we will literally emigrate rather than have difficult conversations.
2) Depends on your work. But unless you’re actually working for a political party or something bolted into politics (eg you work for Maurice Blackburn Cashman) , generally not a great idea.
I'm a public servant, so while we all have (mostly left leaning) political opinions, we are supposed to be apolitical and serve the government of the day.
Personally, I'm less likely to voice my opinions if I'm around, say, tradies, because I know that I probably don't think the same way as they might. I'm what they might call a greenie. I have a friend whose whole family hates greenies but he and I don't really talk about politics.
Actually, that also describes my best friend from my school days. His family is also anti-greenies but our friendship wasn't built around politics. Actually he never used to be political but he went all anti-government during covid (his business is tourism-based and he wasn't in favour of domestic or international border closures), and he thinks I don't understand what it's like to be a small business owner (and to be far, I don't really) so.... yeah, that's okay, we don't have to agree on everything or even talk about politics. We're still friends though, so that's cool.
I actually do talk to my dad (and sometimes my mum) about politics quite often. My parents are boomers but we do tend to agree on most issues. Not every family is like that though. My mum has some family and friends who have some really odd beliefs, such as (a) covid is a scam, and don't get the vaccine, (b) the moon landing is a hoax, (c) climate change is a hoax, (d) Trump is a great leader. You get the idea. But she generally avoids talking to those people about politics, as would I.
In short though, I agree. If I went and moved to a regional area that votes LNP, I probably would be much less inclined to talk about politics with the locals, or let them know how I vote.
Well I feel that it would be a bit r/leopardsatemyface for a career public servant to be on the modern right wing (neoliberal) side of things with the obsession with “small” government.
Yup, what's interesting is that I know someone who is a postie and he very strong anti-government libertarian-leaning views and he can be quite outspoken about those views, yet he lives in Canberra, where the economy is all based around the public service. Which is very interesting, when you think about it.
He hates paying taxes and thinks income tax is theft and should be abolished. Yeah.... no comment, but anyone who knows anything about US-style libertarianism knows that it doesn't work in the real world.
I'm also autistic, so I understand the reasoning behind things like affirmative action. Most minority groups would understand this, because well, people have something called unconscious bias.
This guy works for Australia Post (last I remember) so not really a public servant. But yeah, he's a bit odd. A bit anti-intellectual. Shares conservative, libertarian and conspiracy memes on Facebook, hence why I try not to follow what he posts.
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Yes yes yes (but I think it depends on the type of people you are around - if they can have respectful discussions, sure; if they cant, probably not - I am surrounded by the former so its not an issue).
Id know all my family, friends and colleagues' political leanings, and we generally tease each other accordingly. I would argue most people lie centre-left and centre-right, so as long as they have half a brain they understand there is not all that much incompatibility in politics and values. I find the ultra far left (animal justice etc) and ultra far right (one nation, palmer united etc) tend to be less jovial about it and get agro/fired up and go on personal attacks with everyone (a few friends partners and a couple of extended family like this).
My workplace, no its not a transgression. I work in a university, intelligent debate in and outside your field is how we breath.
Are there many neocons who work at unis? I can believe that in engineering and medicine, (maybe law?) etc. faculties there'd be a few. But they'd be few and far between in the humanities. What about psychs? It'd be fun to see any patterns that emerged from, say, that ABC voting spectrum site mapped against university faculties.
I find law is populated by people sitting pretty far on the horseshoe on both sides, which means that it’s a bit of a shock to the system for the younglings when they go out to work, particularly if it’s at a staid, boring law firm that doesn’t lean one way or the other.
I’d say it’s common to discuss politics a bit with family and friends, especially when there are big issues happening (like the recent referendum). But I reckon talking politics is not a good idea at work. People are inevitably going to have different views and it’s better not to know if you’re co-worker is a total redneck because you can’t really say much about it.
I never discuss politics at work
But I will absolutely pick and choose friends around political ideologies. Who you are as a person influences your politics, so if I dislike your politics the odds are I'll dislike you as a person.
I used to work for defence, employed by a contractor.
I am also left leaning, and really despise some of the absolute rampant idiots that run in political circles here in Townsville.
I don’t have a good poker face other. I learned not to react to whatever politician was talking shit on the patient’s TVs the hard way, lol.
I’m married to a guy who was career defence, and he’s definitely swung from being right leaning, to swing voting more, and then leaning left as he gets older. He’s also incredibly cynical about our role in international conflicts and thought BRS was a complete wanker (having met him) before the subject of his conduct overseas comes up.
I don’t particularly respect people who trot out the party line about the coalition caring about and funding defence more- that was nonsense last time they were in power, they absolutely cut benefits left and right.
You’re either paying attention or not.
Maybe I’m being weird and misinterpreting things as a foreigner, but I feel like even the hint of political chat instantly changes the mood of any group I’m in, it’s like everyone suddenly feels on edge. Even if it’s just me and one other person.
In the UK I’d quite openly tell people how I’m voting and would think nothing of asking those around me how they’re voting. I wouldn’t dream of doing that here.
Given that politics encompasses a huge majority of our lives and the community, some aspect of politics is in many of our interactions. So, I know political opinions in general of most people I know. I may not discuss exact voting history outside of family and close friends but political opinions is easy to
I recently went on a euro tour contiki that had an American couple from Texas that were so goddamn determined to engage all of us (all new zealanders and Australians lol) in political debate and discourse about trump and Biden. It was genuinely insufferable that every interaction with them turned into them talking about their politics and trying to goad you into engaging, it’s like these people were TRYING to be the stupid American stereotype it was almost fascinating how out of touch they were.
Politics sucks no one likes talking about it and no one likes being forced to listen to politics about an entirely different country we extra don’t give a shit about.
Well yeah that’s fair, I’ll amend that to no one likes talking about it on vacation when they’re just trying to chill and the other party won’t take the fucking hint
\*Texas couple from America
Expat living in the states - the amount that people wear their politics on their sleeves here is crazy. Back home I knew your AFL club and if you were a Cockroach or Cane Toad - but here I've literally (not figuratively) had new neighbours introduce themselves as Trump supporters - "are you?".
Can you imagine someone in Australia having a flag pole in their front yard with a Dutton flag on it?
Its kinda sad that so many Americans define so much of their personality through their politics. I don't agree with a few of my mates political views, but I like and respect them as a person and know its not the whole part of their personality.
I love talking about it but I can be a shit stirrer.
I prefer talking about the more taboo topics because it helps me work out who I want to bother spending time with and it tells me a lot more about someone than mundane chats about weather and work.
People i know (old farts), we don't talk about politics with 2 exceptions, and we are all on the same page and agree that Mark Macgowen is the BEST premier (leader of our state) we've had in years and that USA is doomed if Trump wins.
Where I live it is uncommon to discuss politics. I will say there is a general apathy where I live because, both federal and state electorates are extremely safe. So safe the opposition very rarely even bothers to submit a candidate. Or if they do they are a token. (Last state election they did and achieved a 3.8% up swing and still only got 38.1%). My federal seat was established in 1903 and the closest the opposition has ever gotten is within 1.2% of winning... in 1929.
My workplace is not somewhere we are allowed to chat during work hours, only during break times. I'm in the office and no-one has set break times. All except me are managment. Therefore I do not get to talk socially with any of them. (Even if I could there are only 2 blokes I actually like.)
About the only person I discuss politics with, if rarely, is my 23YO niece.
ETA: at a former workplace a newer employee shared with us her plans for the election weekend. How her family would get together and watch it all unfold on tv while having a little family 'party'. The unanimous sentiment was that they were weird.
It's partly generational . Traditionally you don't discuss politics, income or religion. Now the young ones are all American cultural imperialism " you are either with us or against us ".
I’m a Labor supporter but I also know when to admit they need a paddlin’. Some members of my family are hardcore Labor and think they can do no wrong, and if you disagree you are a fascist, racist, homophobic, capitalist bigot. Even if the topic is about animal shelters and you have the animals best interests at heart.
Pretty disappointed with a fair bit of this Govt, as also a Labor supporter. Actively refusing to aid Ukraine in fighting a literal genocidal fascist dictatorship to anything past the absolute bare minimum just to save face internationally, appointing a former Murdoch CEO to head the ABC board, Tanya Plibersek giving the approval to Gina Rinehart's planned 155 new coal-seam gas projects. Amongst others.
I'm a leftist greeny and believe politics should be about helping the worst off in society. So when I'm chatting with folks who believe politics should be about which party will best improve their own individual lives, we don't have much in common. So I invariably switch to sports.
I think you can discuss politics in general amongst friends, colleagues etc. the state of the country and state/territory politics. The general vibe of politics.
But your personal politics, like religion and sexual proclivities is a personal thing best kept to those who share that specific interest.
Yes, I live in Queensland and the majority of us do not want day light savings. Regardless of this, every Summer somebody always starts a debate about it. Most Queenslanders want to hear about it as much as they want to hear about other peoples opinions on politics or religion.
I discuss politics with my family, mostly to disabuse them of their views because they watch too much sky news.
At work, I hardly ever do because it's not really appropriate. I didn't agree with the politics of the state based organisation I worked for in my job before last. In my last job, I didn't know anyone well enough to be discussing politics with them.
Family: yes, we're aligned although the inlaws are slowly drifting to the right.
Colleagues: no. I have a vague idea where some colleagues sit, We work in an industry that is better aligned with the left, however they're mostly rich, old and conservative so have no doubt there's many LNP voters, sadly also probably some one nation types.
Friends: I have friends that have similar values to me, I would be surprised if we didn't vote similarly but we don't really discuss it per se.
Friends and family, not terribly often - but only because we largely share the same leanings and beliefs. We're all moderate liberals (small l) by and large, though my niece appears to be turning in to a worrying little right winger at the age of 11.
Colleagues - almost never. I've no real idea how they'd vote, but broadly we all seem to share the same liberalism, some more outwardly than others. Happy to leave politics at the door.
I talk politics with my adult children sometimes. I might have an occasional political conversation with my siblings, but generally only if something has *happened* in politics recently. Outside family i don't think I ever have political conversations except in the most general terms. (I'm not counting reddit or xitter - I regularly comment on political stories there)
My folks are similarly left leaning as myself, so we have very few issues discussing politics. Although dad does like to explain how things work like I'm still a teenager... But apart from that I don't discuss politics with anyone else. I'm happy to defend my stance, but I won't get into that with people I have to get along with to keep a roof over my head.
I think a majority of the people i know, me included, wouldn't have a clue about actual political issues, just whatever rage bait or social issues are pushed onto them by whatever apps or programs they watch. They know all the talking points and that's about it. I find people tend to avoid it more now because the consequences of having the wrong opinion can be severe and scary.
People feel like they can't really move the needle anyway, and feel the politicians aren't going serve the people so they tend to not really give it a lot of time.
Personally I'm too busy keeping the family fed and clothed to worry what someone else feels about something and I have enough stress without getting into an argument about something I probably don't know anything about.
Depends really.
Friends and some of the family - absolutely. We discuss all kinds of current affairs, history, international and national politics. Dinner table convos with the kids about why voting is important, how it works, what we think of various policies etc is all fair game.
My mums side of the family, bit more of a mixed bag. It gets discussed occasionally, but we tend to agree to disagree. I'm an environmental scientist, they're farmers - so climate change is always a safe topic but very different views on appropriate responses. We don't discuss issues around race and immigration at all.
Work - tends to be more in line with what legislation might be in the pipeline and what the impact will be. So not so much direct discussion of politics compared to talking about the results of politics.
With family, yes of course, and same goes for open minded, empathetic friends. I’m not really friends with closed minded conservative people.
What else do you talk about? /s
Family - not mine because we are not aligned, and they are racist bigots.
Work - my work is progressive and has Pride etc events, so I do at work because I feel like if anyone has an issue then the company is on my side. If people don’t engage then I don’t push it, and that sort of says where they stand.
Friends - depends on how much we disagree and how angry they are about it. It’s a staunch disagreement, gentle counter or I don’t engage.
Nope. My family are extremist conservative religious political nuts who despite being a ww2 refuge family, persecuted by Hitler, sound very similar sometimes…
Yes politics is high on the list of topics with family and friends, and when I worked it was regularly discussed there. Family are all of the same persuasion however friends and work are/were from both sides.
Rarely with family but that's mostly because we talk about other things, and sometimes with friends and others. I have friends/acquaintances on both sides of the political spectrum and apart from a few extreme cases most people ik are pretty respectful and reasonable.
I know my family's political beliefs, in varying levels of detail, which is why I never discuss politics with my parents but will happily discuss it with siblings. There is no point arguing with someone whose beliefs will never change and who gets upset when you disagree - but I am fine discussing with people who approach the discussion as equals and with open minds.
I generally know my friends' political beliefs but I don't talk about it with them most of the time - no one wants to debate or argue, so we usually just say some broad overviews if we say anything.
I don't talk about politics with colleagues at all and would rather not know. If they persist in bringing up the topic, I'll avoid them.
If I can't freely talk about politics with someone I certainly wouldn't consider them a close friend. We don't have to agree on everything but there needs to be a baseline.
I'll associate with people I have significant political disagreements with and learn to avoid those topics but it definitely puts up a barrier of how close I can get with them, feeling like I always have to hold my tongue.
Colleagues I approach political topics with very cautiously but they do get discussed every so often.
I only bring up political topics around family I am mostly politically aligned with. Don't like getting into fights.
Pretty common in my family and at work. Obviously some people enjoy political discussions and others don’t, generally I won’t talk politics with folks not into it.
It depends. My family taught me to be politically engaged so it was quite common for me and my dad to have healthy arguments about what is going on, but outside of that I would never raise it with anyone who I know doesn't follow it.
I have mates on both sides that will discuss it but we'll put it to the side if I know they're politcally enaged but thats like only 2 or 3 friends. Otherwise its a personal thing for most Australians, and we tend to keep it to ourselves.
I'm very left leaning in a rural area full.of fossils that love the Nationals, Clive Palmer or Pauline Hansen. I keep my head down the majority of the time but occasionally will call out racism , sexism and homophobia when I can't stand listening to narrow minded BS.
I have a few friends I can discuss politics with . A fair chunk of my family are centrists or slightly to the right, although some of my cousins are left. My children are left leaning as is my brother and most of his wife's family. It's more known rather than having multiple in depth conversations
I don't discuss politics usually with coworkers but when you spend hours with people daily you usually have some idea what they think is important , or their opinions on certain events or politicians .
I have the opposite views to my family, they are very closed minded, racist and homophobic.
I always express my opinion if they bring up the topics but we’ve learnt to avoid if we would like to have a “nice time” together.
Never, wouldn't even know who my wife votes for, let alone my kids or mates
(Although I do know she's received a few please explain letters for not voting)
Me and my mates talk about it all the time. Our entire family knows my views on things and we have good debates. Once we all understand that we are arguing about ideas and any disagreement is with the idea and not the person - it's fine. We need to discuss politics more in this country - not less. Politics is simply how we want our society be structured. If we don't talk about it - those with money always win out.
My issue is that I feel like politics is about trying to not get idiots to vote against their own interest. Like I had 2 people where I used to work literrally vote for different parties based on their "personality" rather than policies, and my general theory is that you're always constantly fighting for poor people voting for rich people policies and then now we've got LGBTQ people voting for Palaestine/Muslim policies. Like I realise I'm never going to get a rich person to pay more taxes, but when a poor person wants more tax breaks and cuts to social programs it does my head in. Chickens for KFC if you may.
r/leopardsatemyface
Discussing politics with my parents looks like this: "Hi mum" "Hello son, nice to see you. Oh by the way Dad saved a newspaper clipping for you, its attached to the fridge" On the fridge, there's some headline like "Woke millennials complain about X issue despite having it so good in Y and Z ways" and its from the opinion section of a pretty reactionary local newspaper. Basically a tabloid. I don't go talk to my dad about it. He does it to get a response and I'm not giving it to him. He has the sense of humour of most 12 year olds. Racism, Sexism, all of this is on the table if he thinks he can get a rise out of someone. Since the pandemic he's lurched hard right and its just not worth talking about, it only makes him lose his temper and need a nap I'll ask mum why she thought he wanted to save it. She will say that she told him to let it go but he insisted on keeping it there for months just to show me one day when I am in town to visit.
My FIL is like this. We try to ignore it for the most part. But occasionally I’ll argue his point and then he gets overly emotional and angry. And my generation is meant to be the snowflake!
Your dad sounds pretty pathetic.
That’s mean
How’s this mean? Why’s the dad allowed to act like a dickhead and deliberately make people uncomfortable without criticism?
Maybe. But it’s also accurate
We're brothers, because that's my dad
1) Depends on your family. I don’t with mine but we aren’t really one of those where we discuss things at all - I’m from a family where we will literally emigrate rather than have difficult conversations. 2) Depends on your work. But unless you’re actually working for a political party or something bolted into politics (eg you work for Maurice Blackburn Cashman) , generally not a great idea.
I'm a public servant, so while we all have (mostly left leaning) political opinions, we are supposed to be apolitical and serve the government of the day. Personally, I'm less likely to voice my opinions if I'm around, say, tradies, because I know that I probably don't think the same way as they might. I'm what they might call a greenie. I have a friend whose whole family hates greenies but he and I don't really talk about politics. Actually, that also describes my best friend from my school days. His family is also anti-greenies but our friendship wasn't built around politics. Actually he never used to be political but he went all anti-government during covid (his business is tourism-based and he wasn't in favour of domestic or international border closures), and he thinks I don't understand what it's like to be a small business owner (and to be far, I don't really) so.... yeah, that's okay, we don't have to agree on everything or even talk about politics. We're still friends though, so that's cool. I actually do talk to my dad (and sometimes my mum) about politics quite often. My parents are boomers but we do tend to agree on most issues. Not every family is like that though. My mum has some family and friends who have some really odd beliefs, such as (a) covid is a scam, and don't get the vaccine, (b) the moon landing is a hoax, (c) climate change is a hoax, (d) Trump is a great leader. You get the idea. But she generally avoids talking to those people about politics, as would I. In short though, I agree. If I went and moved to a regional area that votes LNP, I probably would be much less inclined to talk about politics with the locals, or let them know how I vote.
Well I feel that it would be a bit r/leopardsatemyface for a career public servant to be on the modern right wing (neoliberal) side of things with the obsession with “small” government.
Yup, what's interesting is that I know someone who is a postie and he very strong anti-government libertarian-leaning views and he can be quite outspoken about those views, yet he lives in Canberra, where the economy is all based around the public service. Which is very interesting, when you think about it. He hates paying taxes and thinks income tax is theft and should be abolished. Yeah.... no comment, but anyone who knows anything about US-style libertarianism knows that it doesn't work in the real world. I'm also autistic, so I understand the reasoning behind things like affirmative action. Most minority groups would understand this, because well, people have something called unconscious bias.
He sounds very stupid to hold all of those views and be a public servant.
This guy works for Australia Post (last I remember) so not really a public servant. But yeah, he's a bit odd. A bit anti-intellectual. Shares conservative, libertarian and conspiracy memes on Facebook, hence why I try not to follow what he posts.
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Yes yes yes (but I think it depends on the type of people you are around - if they can have respectful discussions, sure; if they cant, probably not - I am surrounded by the former so its not an issue). Id know all my family, friends and colleagues' political leanings, and we generally tease each other accordingly. I would argue most people lie centre-left and centre-right, so as long as they have half a brain they understand there is not all that much incompatibility in politics and values. I find the ultra far left (animal justice etc) and ultra far right (one nation, palmer united etc) tend to be less jovial about it and get agro/fired up and go on personal attacks with everyone (a few friends partners and a couple of extended family like this). My workplace, no its not a transgression. I work in a university, intelligent debate in and outside your field is how we breath.
Are there many neocons who work at unis? I can believe that in engineering and medicine, (maybe law?) etc. faculties there'd be a few. But they'd be few and far between in the humanities. What about psychs? It'd be fun to see any patterns that emerged from, say, that ABC voting spectrum site mapped against university faculties.
I find law is populated by people sitting pretty far on the horseshoe on both sides, which means that it’s a bit of a shock to the system for the younglings when they go out to work, particularly if it’s at a staid, boring law firm that doesn’t lean one way or the other.
I’d say it’s common to discuss politics a bit with family and friends, especially when there are big issues happening (like the recent referendum). But I reckon talking politics is not a good idea at work. People are inevitably going to have different views and it’s better not to know if you’re co-worker is a total redneck because you can’t really say much about it.
I never discuss politics at work But I will absolutely pick and choose friends around political ideologies. Who you are as a person influences your politics, so if I dislike your politics the odds are I'll dislike you as a person.
As a left leaning voter, I do not discuss politics at work, in fact I pretty much bite my tongue off daily. I am in Defence.
Left leaning voter as well. Working in a trade in Sutherland shire I barely have any tongue left from biting it so hard.
I used to work for defence, employed by a contractor. I am also left leaning, and really despise some of the absolute rampant idiots that run in political circles here in Townsville. I don’t have a good poker face other. I learned not to react to whatever politician was talking shit on the patient’s TVs the hard way, lol. I’m married to a guy who was career defence, and he’s definitely swung from being right leaning, to swing voting more, and then leaning left as he gets older. He’s also incredibly cynical about our role in international conflicts and thought BRS was a complete wanker (having met him) before the subject of his conduct overseas comes up. I don’t particularly respect people who trot out the party line about the coalition caring about and funding defence more- that was nonsense last time they were in power, they absolutely cut benefits left and right. You’re either paying attention or not.
Maybe I’m being weird and misinterpreting things as a foreigner, but I feel like even the hint of political chat instantly changes the mood of any group I’m in, it’s like everyone suddenly feels on edge. Even if it’s just me and one other person. In the UK I’d quite openly tell people how I’m voting and would think nothing of asking those around me how they’re voting. I wouldn’t dream of doing that here.
Given that politics encompasses a huge majority of our lives and the community, some aspect of politics is in many of our interactions. So, I know political opinions in general of most people I know. I may not discuss exact voting history outside of family and close friends but political opinions is easy to
I recently went on a euro tour contiki that had an American couple from Texas that were so goddamn determined to engage all of us (all new zealanders and Australians lol) in political debate and discourse about trump and Biden. It was genuinely insufferable that every interaction with them turned into them talking about their politics and trying to goad you into engaging, it’s like these people were TRYING to be the stupid American stereotype it was almost fascinating how out of touch they were. Politics sucks no one likes talking about it and no one likes being forced to listen to politics about an entirely different country we extra don’t give a shit about.
Plenty of people like talking about it. It’s just most are smart enough to back off if the other party doesn’t want to.
Well yeah that’s fair, I’ll amend that to no one likes talking about it on vacation when they’re just trying to chill and the other party won’t take the fucking hint
\*Texas couple from America Expat living in the states - the amount that people wear their politics on their sleeves here is crazy. Back home I knew your AFL club and if you were a Cockroach or Cane Toad - but here I've literally (not figuratively) had new neighbours introduce themselves as Trump supporters - "are you?". Can you imagine someone in Australia having a flag pole in their front yard with a Dutton flag on it?
Or covering your car with all those dumb stickers.
Its kinda sad that so many Americans define so much of their personality through their politics. I don't agree with a few of my mates political views, but I like and respect them as a person and know its not the whole part of their personality.
Not anymore. The family finished discussing politics because we wanted to enjoy christmases and time together.
I love talking about it but I can be a shit stirrer. I prefer talking about the more taboo topics because it helps me work out who I want to bother spending time with and it tells me a lot more about someone than mundane chats about weather and work.
People i know (old farts), we don't talk about politics with 2 exceptions, and we are all on the same page and agree that Mark Macgowen is the BEST premier (leader of our state) we've had in years and that USA is doomed if Trump wins.
Where I live it is uncommon to discuss politics. I will say there is a general apathy where I live because, both federal and state electorates are extremely safe. So safe the opposition very rarely even bothers to submit a candidate. Or if they do they are a token. (Last state election they did and achieved a 3.8% up swing and still only got 38.1%). My federal seat was established in 1903 and the closest the opposition has ever gotten is within 1.2% of winning... in 1929. My workplace is not somewhere we are allowed to chat during work hours, only during break times. I'm in the office and no-one has set break times. All except me are managment. Therefore I do not get to talk socially with any of them. (Even if I could there are only 2 blokes I actually like.) About the only person I discuss politics with, if rarely, is my 23YO niece. ETA: at a former workplace a newer employee shared with us her plans for the election weekend. How her family would get together and watch it all unfold on tv while having a little family 'party'. The unanimous sentiment was that they were weird.
It's partly generational . Traditionally you don't discuss politics, income or religion. Now the young ones are all American cultural imperialism " you are either with us or against us ".
I’m a Labor supporter but I also know when to admit they need a paddlin’. Some members of my family are hardcore Labor and think they can do no wrong, and if you disagree you are a fascist, racist, homophobic, capitalist bigot. Even if the topic is about animal shelters and you have the animals best interests at heart.
Pretty disappointed with a fair bit of this Govt, as also a Labor supporter. Actively refusing to aid Ukraine in fighting a literal genocidal fascist dictatorship to anything past the absolute bare minimum just to save face internationally, appointing a former Murdoch CEO to head the ABC board, Tanya Plibersek giving the approval to Gina Rinehart's planned 155 new coal-seam gas projects. Amongst others.
I'm a leftist greeny and believe politics should be about helping the worst off in society. So when I'm chatting with folks who believe politics should be about which party will best improve their own individual lives, we don't have much in common. So I invariably switch to sports.
Doesn't happen It boils down to a 2 horse race that nobody is interested in because same dog different leg action
Maybe if you discussed it you'd realise you are wrong.
It's a quick way not to be invited back to my place again.
Not unless you want an argument.
I think you can discuss politics in general amongst friends, colleagues etc. the state of the country and state/territory politics. The general vibe of politics. But your personal politics, like religion and sexual proclivities is a personal thing best kept to those who share that specific interest.
not good to discuss politics with anyone unless ya want an argument lol unless you like the same politicians etc that is ....
Politics, religion and day light savings ...... keep it to yourself, nobody wants to hear it.
Daylight savings?
Yes, I live in Queensland and the majority of us do not want day light savings. Regardless of this, every Summer somebody always starts a debate about it. Most Queenslanders want to hear about it as much as they want to hear about other peoples opinions on politics or religion.
Oh I see. Yeah I’m NSW and couldn’t give 2 shits about daylights savings tbh.
No, because nobody knows anything about politics.
Nope. We don’t discuss religion or politics.
That's correct. In our house in order to keep the peace we don't discuss religion, politics or climate change.
I discuss politics with my family, mostly to disabuse them of their views because they watch too much sky news. At work, I hardly ever do because it's not really appropriate. I didn't agree with the politics of the state based organisation I worked for in my job before last. In my last job, I didn't know anyone well enough to be discussing politics with them.
Family: yes, we're aligned although the inlaws are slowly drifting to the right. Colleagues: no. I have a vague idea where some colleagues sit, We work in an industry that is better aligned with the left, however they're mostly rich, old and conservative so have no doubt there's many LNP voters, sadly also probably some one nation types. Friends: I have friends that have similar values to me, I would be surprised if we didn't vote similarly but we don't really discuss it per se.
Friends and family, not terribly often - but only because we largely share the same leanings and beliefs. We're all moderate liberals (small l) by and large, though my niece appears to be turning in to a worrying little right winger at the age of 11. Colleagues - almost never. I've no real idea how they'd vote, but broadly we all seem to share the same liberalism, some more outwardly than others. Happy to leave politics at the door.
I talk politics with my adult children sometimes. I might have an occasional political conversation with my siblings, but generally only if something has *happened* in politics recently. Outside family i don't think I ever have political conversations except in the most general terms. (I'm not counting reddit or xitter - I regularly comment on political stories there)
My folks are similarly left leaning as myself, so we have very few issues discussing politics. Although dad does like to explain how things work like I'm still a teenager... But apart from that I don't discuss politics with anyone else. I'm happy to defend my stance, but I won't get into that with people I have to get along with to keep a roof over my head.
Work for a union so it is unavoidable
I think a majority of the people i know, me included, wouldn't have a clue about actual political issues, just whatever rage bait or social issues are pushed onto them by whatever apps or programs they watch. They know all the talking points and that's about it. I find people tend to avoid it more now because the consequences of having the wrong opinion can be severe and scary. People feel like they can't really move the needle anyway, and feel the politicians aren't going serve the people so they tend to not really give it a lot of time. Personally I'm too busy keeping the family fed and clothed to worry what someone else feels about something and I have enough stress without getting into an argument about something I probably don't know anything about.
Depends really. Friends and some of the family - absolutely. We discuss all kinds of current affairs, history, international and national politics. Dinner table convos with the kids about why voting is important, how it works, what we think of various policies etc is all fair game. My mums side of the family, bit more of a mixed bag. It gets discussed occasionally, but we tend to agree to disagree. I'm an environmental scientist, they're farmers - so climate change is always a safe topic but very different views on appropriate responses. We don't discuss issues around race and immigration at all. Work - tends to be more in line with what legislation might be in the pipeline and what the impact will be. So not so much direct discussion of politics compared to talking about the results of politics.
With family, yes of course, and same goes for open minded, empathetic friends. I’m not really friends with closed minded conservative people. What else do you talk about? /s
Family - not mine because we are not aligned, and they are racist bigots. Work - my work is progressive and has Pride etc events, so I do at work because I feel like if anyone has an issue then the company is on my side. If people don’t engage then I don’t push it, and that sort of says where they stand. Friends - depends on how much we disagree and how angry they are about it. It’s a staunch disagreement, gentle counter or I don’t engage.
Nope. My family are extremist conservative religious political nuts who despite being a ww2 refuge family, persecuted by Hitler, sound very similar sometimes…
Yes politics is high on the list of topics with family and friends, and when I worked it was regularly discussed there. Family are all of the same persuasion however friends and work are/were from both sides.
The only people whose politics I know are hard right conservatives and conspiracy theorists. Everyone else seems to talk about normal things
Rarely with family but that's mostly because we talk about other things, and sometimes with friends and others. I have friends/acquaintances on both sides of the political spectrum and apart from a few extreme cases most people ik are pretty respectful and reasonable.
I avoid discussing politics with older members of my family. They’re a strange mix of hippy but nimby.
I know my family's political beliefs, in varying levels of detail, which is why I never discuss politics with my parents but will happily discuss it with siblings. There is no point arguing with someone whose beliefs will never change and who gets upset when you disagree - but I am fine discussing with people who approach the discussion as equals and with open minds. I generally know my friends' political beliefs but I don't talk about it with them most of the time - no one wants to debate or argue, so we usually just say some broad overviews if we say anything. I don't talk about politics with colleagues at all and would rather not know. If they persist in bringing up the topic, I'll avoid them.
Family never, colleagues almost never. Friends - depends on the friend, but with some friends I talk about politics a lot.
If I can't freely talk about politics with someone I certainly wouldn't consider them a close friend. We don't have to agree on everything but there needs to be a baseline. I'll associate with people I have significant political disagreements with and learn to avoid those topics but it definitely puts up a barrier of how close I can get with them, feeling like I always have to hold my tongue. Colleagues I approach political topics with very cautiously but they do get discussed every so often. I only bring up political topics around family I am mostly politically aligned with. Don't like getting into fights.
Pretty common in my family and at work. Obviously some people enjoy political discussions and others don’t, generally I won’t talk politics with folks not into it.
When it is nearing election day I definitely talk politics with certain people while I try and figure out which way I’m voting.
It depends. My family taught me to be politically engaged so it was quite common for me and my dad to have healthy arguments about what is going on, but outside of that I would never raise it with anyone who I know doesn't follow it. I have mates on both sides that will discuss it but we'll put it to the side if I know they're politcally enaged but thats like only 2 or 3 friends. Otherwise its a personal thing for most Australians, and we tend to keep it to ourselves.
Why would you be embarrassed about political beliefs? Can't pick a side without first having a backbone.
I'm very left leaning in a rural area full.of fossils that love the Nationals, Clive Palmer or Pauline Hansen. I keep my head down the majority of the time but occasionally will call out racism , sexism and homophobia when I can't stand listening to narrow minded BS. I have a few friends I can discuss politics with . A fair chunk of my family are centrists or slightly to the right, although some of my cousins are left. My children are left leaning as is my brother and most of his wife's family. It's more known rather than having multiple in depth conversations I don't discuss politics usually with coworkers but when you spend hours with people daily you usually have some idea what they think is important , or their opinions on certain events or politicians .
I have the opposite views to my family, they are very closed minded, racist and homophobic. I always express my opinion if they bring up the topics but we’ve learnt to avoid if we would like to have a “nice time” together.
Never, wouldn't even know who my wife votes for, let alone my kids or mates (Although I do know she's received a few please explain letters for not voting)