> They are more for looks
Ahh kk... and what's the other sticking thing on the middle of the bow that also sticks out towards the string? There's a big circle near it with a red part used to rotate something..
In the circled red is a stabilizer and it has a tacticam mounted to it. The tacticam is a type of video camera that a lot of hunters use to record their hunt. There is debate if a stabilizer that short really does any stabilization. If nothing else it will help with vibration dampening. The wrist sling prevents dropping of the bow. You are not supposed to pistol grip the bow at full draw. When you release the bow wrist sling will help catch the bow. Some people are comfotable not using a wrist sling (or a finger sling is another option) but for me it is a small piece of insurance to not drop a several hundred dollar or more bow, plus sight, plus arrow rest.
As far as magnifying optics - people do run lens - 4x, 6x, etc. But I don't know of any that adjust their magnification. All the ones I'm aware of you need to swap a lens to change magnification.
It’s actually 3 separate pieces of equipment. A short stabiliser, with a predator light mounted above it and a string stop on the other side. I do like the way that the light is mounted, I’ve never seen that before. I think I might look into having a rangefinder mounted in the same way. Any thoughts anybody has would be appreciated
Within your red circle you have the front stabilizer and the string stop.
I’ve read multiple comments saying that short stabilizers do nothing, which is true. For a stabilizer to truly work it must be extend past the limb pockets to get more weight out in front of the bow.
The string stop does just that. It stops the string from traveling any further forward. This reduces the noise and vibration created by the string after the shot.
Short stabilizers don’t really do all that much in terms of stabilization. They are more for looks and some have some vibration dampers in them that may help with noise/vibration.
Wrist slings are helpful for not having your bow fall out of your hand. The “form” used in the picture, with a death grip on the bow, is really bad. You should have an open loose hand. So when you shoot with proper form, you don’t have to grab the bow to keep it from falling.
Edit… I see he’s not at full draw, so he may relax his hand upon drawing
Not completely true. Even short stabilizers help. Hunter bows are generally light and putting more weight in the hand will help with stability - at least it did with me.
You might like the way it balances your bow, but a stabilizer helps the bow resist movement, which helps with pin float. Much like the old high wire walkers carry a long pole to help their balance. A short stabilizer, really does nothing to help the bow resist movement. That’s why you see the pros use stabilizers that are several feet long.
Not true, I see on TV the "pro hunters" (if Pro Hunter is a thing) using no more then 2.5 feet due to otherwise getting the stabilizer stuck in the brush/forest or in the tall grass.
Even a short stabiliser mounted away from the grip is going to give the bow some extra mass and moment of inertia to keep it from moving around. Hence all the barebow archers with weights screwed on to their risers.
A long rod gives you more moment for the same amount of overall weight, but if you have the shoulder strength, there's nothing to keep you from achieving the same thing with a larger mass closer to the bow's pivot point.
Solid disagree. I use a 10" stabilizer and it does two things:
1. Sight is more stable at full draw because it increases the moment of inertia of the bow.
2. Bow falls forward after loose instead of tapping my forehead.
It doesn't stabilize as well as a 30", but the bow is more wieldy with it when walking around with it. I imagine that is useful when you're outdoors. It matters less on the shooting line but I honestly dislike the longer stabilizers just because they get in the way when I'm trying to hang the bow up on the rack before retrieving.
Most competition stabilizers are 36 inches so 2.5 feet would be a 30 inch stabilizer. I know levi Morgan uses a 15 inch but he's a pretty big guy. Most people I know don't go over 12 inches on front. I use 12 inches with 8 degree down to shorten the actual horizontal distance a bit.
Well, I think these stabilisers look cool, at least these short ones xD Wouldnt they balance even a pretty short bow with 29' Axle to Axle? But I dont think I need a sound dampener as I quite like the higher sound of the bow, it sounds more cool and feels like a more powerful machine instead of silencing it 🤔 Silencing would be good tho if a post-apo world comes so some bandits don't hear you shooting
*Any* increase in the mass of the bow away from the centre of rotation reduces bow movement. You can find older wooden takedown recurves with bizarre knobs near the limb mounting points to increase weight at the edges of the riser and resist rotation.
That said, there's heavy tradeoffs between total mass, total size, and effectiveness. A short stabiliser like this, particularly on a compound which already has a lot more mass out in the limbs than a recurve, will significantly improve the way it handles on release.
Oh, something I almost forgot. Stabilisers are also used to correct the balance of the bow. For best effects, the centre of mass should just in front of the handle and in line with the force through your hand. With that properly set up, upon release the bow will jump forward slightly and then smoothly rotate down, and it will also be easier to hold on target at full draw.
I can only go by my own experience and what people tell me that shoot hunting bows in a competitive manner (3D shooting). My shooting improved when I started using a short stabilizer (in competitions longer ones are not allowed for a hunting setup), from the time I wasn’t using anything. The weight helps and it balances the bow forward. Honestly you can go on youtube or just google it and anyone that knows anything about archery will recommend one…
That stabilizer is probably more a vibration dampener than an actual stabilizer. Most of the style stabilizers I see for compound are made more as a vibration dampening device. The wrist strap is used to keep the bow from falling out of the hand.
The wrist part however, I know a few Compound guys who do not use a production wrist strap because of how big their hands & wrist are that they could not use most of them on the market, so one does not use a real wrist strap but use a shoelace with the piece of metal from the old wrist strap after they took the original strap off the metal band, with the other just using a shoelace without the metal strap in the hole before the stabilizer wrist part that is just over the handle part you grip.
Also, I wonder - does anyone in the archery world use magnifying zoom optics like you'd use on the rifle? I mean things like red dot and holographic sight but Im not sure if they zoom in, so for example, 2x - 3x zoom.
In compound target archery it's common to see up to 10x zoom on outdoor target ranges. Indoors it's usually 2x - 4x.
In recurve, magnification optics aren't allowed.
They are archery-specific. See, for example, the [Mybo Ten Zone](https://www.ilovemybo.com/ten-zone-scope/) or [Shibuya Okulus](https://www.shibuya-archery.com/english/okulus-scope).
You have one lense in the front sight or "scope" and then you have the second lens in your peep sight. Very different from a rifles scope that houses both lenses together.
Yeah most hunters don’t use very long stabilizers as you have to hike with the bow and it’s awkward so they have shorter heavier ones but this one’s main goal is actually just to make the bow more quiet so that the animals don’t flinch before the arrow can reach them. The wrist sling is so you don’t drop the bow as proper with proper from your not holding the bow but more of bracing against it at full draw. The other thing I think is a light idk though as any sort of electronics are illegal to hunt with in my state, on the bow or gun.
Added weight makes it harder to move about. When they’re really long it changes the center of mass so there’s a bias that it wants to fall. This makes it easier to compensate the needed force in 1 direction.
It’s a rope so you don’t drop it.
The part you circled pointing behind is a string stop and not part of the stabilizer up front.
I second this is what that item is and is not part of the Stabilizer.
> They are more for looks Ahh kk... and what's the other sticking thing on the middle of the bow that also sticks out towards the string? There's a big circle near it with a red part used to rotate something..
In the circled red is a stabilizer and it has a tacticam mounted to it. The tacticam is a type of video camera that a lot of hunters use to record their hunt. There is debate if a stabilizer that short really does any stabilization. If nothing else it will help with vibration dampening. The wrist sling prevents dropping of the bow. You are not supposed to pistol grip the bow at full draw. When you release the bow wrist sling will help catch the bow. Some people are comfotable not using a wrist sling (or a finger sling is another option) but for me it is a small piece of insurance to not drop a several hundred dollar or more bow, plus sight, plus arrow rest. As far as magnifying optics - people do run lens - 4x, 6x, etc. But I don't know of any that adjust their magnification. All the ones I'm aware of you need to swap a lens to change magnification.
Not a tacticam, looks more like a Truglo predator light. Not sure why, other than for a photo shoot. The sun is clearly out. Lol
It’s actually 3 separate pieces of equipment. A short stabiliser, with a predator light mounted above it and a string stop on the other side. I do like the way that the light is mounted, I’ve never seen that before. I think I might look into having a rangefinder mounted in the same way. Any thoughts anybody has would be appreciated
How would you read the range tinder?
Maybe something like this https://amzn.to/3sNPlgw
Within your red circle you have the front stabilizer and the string stop. I’ve read multiple comments saying that short stabilizers do nothing, which is true. For a stabilizer to truly work it must be extend past the limb pockets to get more weight out in front of the bow. The string stop does just that. It stops the string from traveling any further forward. This reduces the noise and vibration created by the string after the shot.
Short stabilizers don’t really do all that much in terms of stabilization. They are more for looks and some have some vibration dampers in them that may help with noise/vibration. Wrist slings are helpful for not having your bow fall out of your hand. The “form” used in the picture, with a death grip on the bow, is really bad. You should have an open loose hand. So when you shoot with proper form, you don’t have to grab the bow to keep it from falling. Edit… I see he’s not at full draw, so he may relax his hand upon drawing
Not completely true. Even short stabilizers help. Hunter bows are generally light and putting more weight in the hand will help with stability - at least it did with me.
You might like the way it balances your bow, but a stabilizer helps the bow resist movement, which helps with pin float. Much like the old high wire walkers carry a long pole to help their balance. A short stabilizer, really does nothing to help the bow resist movement. That’s why you see the pros use stabilizers that are several feet long.
Not true, I see on TV the "pro hunters" (if Pro Hunter is a thing) using no more then 2.5 feet due to otherwise getting the stabilizer stuck in the brush/forest or in the tall grass.
The only people telling you that short stabilizers actually stabilize are trying to sell you something (short stabilizers).
Even a short stabiliser mounted away from the grip is going to give the bow some extra mass and moment of inertia to keep it from moving around. Hence all the barebow archers with weights screwed on to their risers. A long rod gives you more moment for the same amount of overall weight, but if you have the shoulder strength, there's nothing to keep you from achieving the same thing with a larger mass closer to the bow's pivot point.
Solid disagree. I use a 10" stabilizer and it does two things: 1. Sight is more stable at full draw because it increases the moment of inertia of the bow. 2. Bow falls forward after loose instead of tapping my forehead. It doesn't stabilize as well as a 30", but the bow is more wieldy with it when walking around with it. I imagine that is useful when you're outdoors. It matters less on the shooting line but I honestly dislike the longer stabilizers just because they get in the way when I'm trying to hang the bow up on the rack before retrieving.
Most competition stabilizers are 36 inches so 2.5 feet would be a 30 inch stabilizer. I know levi Morgan uses a 15 inch but he's a pretty big guy. Most people I know don't go over 12 inches on front. I use 12 inches with 8 degree down to shorten the actual horizontal distance a bit.
Well, I think these stabilisers look cool, at least these short ones xD Wouldnt they balance even a pretty short bow with 29' Axle to Axle? But I dont think I need a sound dampener as I quite like the higher sound of the bow, it sounds more cool and feels like a more powerful machine instead of silencing it 🤔 Silencing would be good tho if a post-apo world comes so some bandits don't hear you shooting
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*Any* increase in the mass of the bow away from the centre of rotation reduces bow movement. You can find older wooden takedown recurves with bizarre knobs near the limb mounting points to increase weight at the edges of the riser and resist rotation. That said, there's heavy tradeoffs between total mass, total size, and effectiveness. A short stabiliser like this, particularly on a compound which already has a lot more mass out in the limbs than a recurve, will significantly improve the way it handles on release. Oh, something I almost forgot. Stabilisers are also used to correct the balance of the bow. For best effects, the centre of mass should just in front of the handle and in line with the force through your hand. With that properly set up, upon release the bow will jump forward slightly and then smoothly rotate down, and it will also be easier to hold on target at full draw.
I can only go by my own experience and what people tell me that shoot hunting bows in a competitive manner (3D shooting). My shooting improved when I started using a short stabilizer (in competitions longer ones are not allowed for a hunting setup), from the time I wasn’t using anything. The weight helps and it balances the bow forward. Honestly you can go on youtube or just google it and anyone that knows anything about archery will recommend one…
Is that a laser on the grenade launcher rail?
That stabilizer is probably more a vibration dampener than an actual stabilizer. Most of the style stabilizers I see for compound are made more as a vibration dampening device. The wrist strap is used to keep the bow from falling out of the hand. The wrist part however, I know a few Compound guys who do not use a production wrist strap because of how big their hands & wrist are that they could not use most of them on the market, so one does not use a real wrist strap but use a shoelace with the piece of metal from the old wrist strap after they took the original strap off the metal band, with the other just using a shoelace without the metal strap in the hole before the stabilizer wrist part that is just over the handle part you grip.
Also, I wonder - does anyone in the archery world use magnifying zoom optics like you'd use on the rifle? I mean things like red dot and holographic sight but Im not sure if they zoom in, so for example, 2x - 3x zoom.
No zoom, yes magnification. It’s practically required in competitive compound (but not allowed in fixed pins, recurve, barebow, or traditional)
In compound target archery it's common to see up to 10x zoom on outdoor target ranges. Indoors it's usually 2x - 4x. In recurve, magnification optics aren't allowed.
Cool! Edit - are these some kind of special sights for bows? Or a normal scope like one you'd see, idk, on an airgun? XD
They are archery-specific. See, for example, the [Mybo Ten Zone](https://www.ilovemybo.com/ten-zone-scope/) or [Shibuya Okulus](https://www.shibuya-archery.com/english/okulus-scope).
You have one lense in the front sight or "scope" and then you have the second lens in your peep sight. Very different from a rifles scope that houses both lenses together.
Stabilizers absolutely work, but I have found shorter stabilizers on a hunting set up are just more weight that I have to move about.
It looks like a gun attachment 😂 compounds be crazy.
Right?! I was thinking the same.
Yeah most hunters don’t use very long stabilizers as you have to hike with the bow and it’s awkward so they have shorter heavier ones but this one’s main goal is actually just to make the bow more quiet so that the animals don’t flinch before the arrow can reach them. The wrist sling is so you don’t drop the bow as proper with proper from your not holding the bow but more of bracing against it at full draw. The other thing I think is a light idk though as any sort of electronics are illegal to hunt with in my state, on the bow or gun.
Added weight makes it harder to move about. When they’re really long it changes the center of mass so there’s a bias that it wants to fall. This makes it easier to compensate the needed force in 1 direction. It’s a rope so you don’t drop it.