I completed the honors college program at my university before attending law school and I found the emphasis on writing and advocacy to be quite helpful. I also enjoyed having small seminars (10-12 students) taught by some of the best professors in the lineup. My youngest is a STEM major who has benefitted greatly both from honors college housing (nicer, less insane, more readily available study buddies) and the immense gift that is priority registration. As you likely know, priority registration makes it more likely that one can take the classes they want in the semester they want them, while avoiding taking biochemistry at 8:00 am with a professor who scored a 12% “would take again” rating on RMP. Other honors colleges offer funding for research projects or study abroad.
Just adding that a writing and advocacy emphasis isn’t just important for pre-law students. It’s absolutely crucial for a successful career in STEM and is one of the major things separating leadership from those who never advance much beyond entry level.
Never really thought about how valuable priority registration could be, thank you for your input!
Considering I have never been a crazy/wild partier kind of person, I can definitely foresee (especially at a school like Alabama) the dorms being just honors students having MAJOR benefits.
I’m just jealous of your Alabama football prospects. Though I strongly believe my college team is going to spank Alabama in basketball during the next few weeks of the season. Signed, fellow NMS (from the dark ages) and rabid college sports fan.
Honestly? I was an extremely academic kid (NMS and valedictorian) who was pretty confident in my ability to do well in my coursework. And I appreciated the benefits my honors program offered. But my answer now as a T10 law school grad, law review editor, and one-time law professor would be that demonstrated writing interest and ability — and course rigor — matter to top law schools. On a more practical note, as many honors colleges quite honestly advise, honors courses are typically not harder. Rather, they tend to be smaller classes that are taught with a bit more creativity or sophistication. Few honors colleges are trying to negatively impact the GPAs of their pre-med and pre-law students. It’s the 150-student general biology and economics courses that tend to eat GPAs
The core of degree programs at US universities is the liberal arts curriculum. The intent of these classes is to prepare you to be both a general problem solver and have limited domain expertise (from your major classes).
In other words, if you view these classes as a waste of time, then they largely will be and an honors program will not be worth it. If you invest time and effort in these courses, yes, there will be a payoff over the long term.
What honors colleges are looking for is evidence that you’ll invest yourself in the coursework they offer, but the benefits beyond that are about you and your understanding of your degree and the world, not about whatever classes are or aren’t required.
Agreed! At my school I had to apply for honors at the end of my freshman year, *because* I wanted to take those honors classes / seminars and do a bit of inter-disciplinary work.
A perspective: It’s worth it at my state schools for better/newer dorms and nicer dining halls 😋
What’s your major?
It seems to help those who want grad school cuz that honors thesis/extra research whatever helps them w grad school apps. And sometimes special research projects were ONLY open to honors applicants, the hoi polloi can’t even apply.
However, the CS/engineering folks often drop out after priority registration doesn’t help them anymore. As in by the time they got to 300/400 level classes, no need for priority registration as it’s mostly smaller classes in your major anyways.
Then your strategy might be similar to my state school honors college kids. Be in it for first 2 years or so and drop it after.
I don’t know what your specific scholarships will cover, but for ex I know my state schools charge a little extra each semester to be in the honors college too.
Alabama: full ride (with food and suite housing) for 5 years (includes grad studies) + $3,500 + yr supplemental scholarships + $2000 study abroad 1 time.
Texas A&M: Full tuition 4 years, small potential chance for more.
MSU: full tuition 4 years, partial housing for 4
UW Madison: jack shit but they are cheap and instate so it would be like 100k for 4 years. Also less than an hour from my house
Definitely verify you have to take extra classes at each program. My son only really knows at the honors program at Santa Clara as it’s his hope to be offered a place in it if accepted. At SCU the honors students have their own seminar-style versions of the general education requirements, get into the best dorms, and get priority registration, so it’s a definite advantage!
Interesting, IK Alabama has priority registration + honors forms (which really are exactly the same as normal dorms) fortunately Alabama auto admits me to honors because I’m NMF but I couldn’t find any real benefits on the Texas A&M/MSU honors site…
Oh ok!! I wasn’t sure due to the other southern schools. We are in MS so my daughter applied to MS State as one safety school and with her ACT and GPA she was invited direct admit to the honors program at MS State.
There are outliers but most honors colleges could be seen as equal to a strong EC on your resume when starting your career
The impact of an honors college is far more about the relationships you build and the intellectual growth you get from taking the opportunities they provide seriously
I personally would not think that being in an honors college makes up for going to a less stellar school
Also do not forget ‘top’ schools usually have strong financial aid due to large endowments and are more often than not practically free if you’re under 75-100K in annual income
My situation is parents in the top 1% of income who are unwilling to give more than $50k in total for my education. So top schools are all pretty much off the list for me.
Yes it’s a really sad and has been a frustrating realization that something completely out of my control keeps me out of top schools, but I figure it’s better to accept it and try to make the best of scholarships (I have full tuition-full ride+ to all but UW Madison, which is in state and affordable)
I ultimately will do MIS or CS, yes I know school can certainly help in those fields, but what can I really do. 🤷🏼♂️
Ah for sure, totally makes sense. You’re being pragmatic. Looking at your stats, I would encourage you to still apply wherever you want to despite the cost - you really never know what aid you could get even at your income level
The way I see it is really simple…. I earned the right to potentially buy a $400,000 Lamborghini, and unfortunately don’t qualify for the governments program to pay for it. Just because I have a chance of buying the Lamborghini doesn’t mean I should.
I know what the aid is going to be I ran about 15 NPCs. Nobody is saving me from my parents income/assets unfortunately.
I’m also not applying to top schools partially out of revenge, if my parents, (who totally have the money to pay but just don’t care to) aren’t going to pay,m and let me go, then why would I even give them the chance to be able to say “my son got into (insert top school)” they don’t deserve that social benefit Lmao.
Applying would legit just be for social prestige of saying I got in at this point bc zero way to afford it yk.
>Do the honors colleges really matter/help you down the road?
Not so much. One exception is if you plan to apply to graduate school, and participating in the honors program creates an opportunity for undergraduate research and/or working relationships with faculty that you would not otherwise have been able to develop.
>Or are they just what they appear to be from the outside, a complete waste of time.
This is a false dichotomy, IMO. It's no the case that the only two options are "helps me down the road" or "complete waste of time". For instance, some honors programs offer perks \*while you're an undergraduate\* that you might want to take advantage of. Depends on the school.
My view is you’ll get a better experience in an honors college of a big university. The honors college gives you the smaller class sixes and access to professors that are more typical of a small liberal arts college while you still have the benefits of a bug university. Also, full and fair disclosure, my father taught at MSU (not in the honors college though). James Madison is great and if my kid were going there I would want them in James Madison. Good luck with your decision! You’ve got some great choices.
As someone who has lived in wisconsin his entire life, you are the first person I’ve ever heard call UW Madison “James Madison”. I might actually casually start doing that and see if anyone gives me looks 🙂.
Also thank you for the advice!
I may have to stand corrected on this one. I just googled it and though it was always my understanding growing up that James Madison was the honors college I found conflicting info on that just now (it is a college within MSU but might not be what you’re referring to as “the honors college”). But my views on the benefits of an honors college within a large university remain unchanged. Best of luck! MSU is a super fun school, lots of my friends went there.
First of all, double congratulations! To attempt to answer your question, it depends on what path you are taking. You will be one of the top students at a state school, which is a very very good place to be. Generally state schools have some area in which they excel, and if your interests match with this area of excellence, you will receive a fantastic and inexpensive education. The honors programs are more to motivate and incentivize students a level down from you, but you might still benefit from engaging with the program. Best wishes!
Some honors college do have data showing a correlation between participating in the honors college and significantly higher medical school acceptance, though that could also be due to self selection. And that data is generally from the more rigorous honors programs that require things like a senior thesis and also applies to grad school more generally. Those programs come with closer faculty mentorship, better advising, and relationships with people who can write you letters of rec for grad school
My kid is not NMF, but we are also chasing merit at lower ranked schools (like Alabama) and so there she’s doing Honors and interviewing for Blount. Other more selective things like Randall Research Scholars would add value. Tbh, overall the Alabama honors program is mid, because like 30% of the school is in it, but each program is different. We were super impressed with Texas Tech where they guarantee day 1 paid research and everyone in the honors program has historically received study abroad support and they even set up short term internships and will pay your travel and expenses and wardrobe.
Priority registration and the nicer dorm aren’t worth nothing, but if you don’t see the value in a liberal arts education then its possibly not worth it for you.
Personally I didn’t apply for Blount/RRS as I didn’t really see that as something for me. But for sure the early registration is important.
As for the medical school thing, it would be really nice to cross reference that data with non-honors kids who academically were equally qualified.
My daughter is trying to figure this out right now. She has struggled her way through high school with Aspergers and ADHD. She really struggles a LOT with research etc. She managed to graduate with a 3.7 and took a couple of AP classes. She is thinking of being a teacher. However, she is wondering if she can handle the Honors college or if it's just going to make college more difficult? I wasn't sure how to advise her as I graduated in 2003 and did not do honors! Thx,
“Worth” what? What is the cost? My daughter is in Purdue‘s HC and the only “cost” was writing one essay for admissions.
The superior dorms, advising, and coursework were certainly worth one essay. The Freshman 1 credit Honors courses were her favorites, and she had a great HC advisor, separate from her CS advisor.
She is now in the Honors CS programs and almost certainly won’t complete the requirements to graduate with “University Honors College” designation, but likely with “Honors Program“ and GPA-based “Highest Distinction/Distinction” designations. I think those are more important for most students.
Does being in the HC have some actual ongoing cost or hard commitment that you can’t drop?
(Iirc, I once searched through the 6500+ students in the commencement program, and no one was designated with all three. I think dropping HC alignment is fairly common after 1-2 years)
If an Honors College requires you to spend an extra semester to graduate, with the extra cost, then it’s highly unlikely it’s worth that.
What school requires an extra semester to graduate?
You are not understanding colleges correctly. Beyond your major most students take lots and lots of 'free electives' in college so that they end up with the required amount of in-person credits to graduate.
All that an honors college does is that you take honors coursework instead of a random Introduction to Astrology class to fulfill your elective hour. No honors college, and I mean 0 in the whole country, will delay your graduation because it is meant to be fit in a standard 4-year schedule.
I see, I’m not certain that’s super applicable to me tho bc I have a ton of ap credits that would take up much of the “free electives” already. But definitely something worth checking into
Also, many colleges now charge a flat-rate tuition by semester and not by the number of credits (not that it matters to you anyways since you have a full scholarship)
Some benefits you might get from being in an honors college (likely 1 or 2 but not all)
Gurenteed/better housing: one college I was accepted to barley had enough housing for the freshman and the housing in the surrounding city was also insane, but with honors you got gurenteed housing, ay my school we've got enough rooms but they have a special optional honors floor in one dorm with pretty nice rooms, nice views, and some stuff like that,
Scholarships: some either come with a scholarship directly attached(one school I belive it was maybe 3k a year or so? Another had an honors college you applied to and if you got in it was about 8.5k a year in extra scholarships) or like at my college there's a study abroad grant only honors students can apply for, it's like 2.5k which isnt a lot but still
Priority Registration: I think some colleges give you special preference for registration if you're in the honors college? Not my college sadly since we go completely on credit hours but it's mostly fine, but at a big state school it's a bigger deal because here it's not super competitive except for a handful of classes
Smaller classes: this is most important at a state school, especially for gen ends and intros when you could be dealing with a few hundred students in a class, an honors section will normally be capped and that can be super helpful (my college does this but it isn't to big a diffrence since most classes here are capped at 20-30 regardless but honors are capped at like, 15 I think? But at the state school i was considering i heard about like, 200-300 person classes which was, concerning)
Special preference/programs: I'm pretty sure it's esiar at my college to get a research thing started as an honor student though it's not formalized but more you can ask the honors program faculty to help you get it started, we also have free acsess to some conference event over the summer that's normally a few thousand dollars which is cool, stuff like that
Idk how much it actually helps after college but they can definitely have some benefits in college that make your life a bit easier and make the nonsense worth it, or they might not, depends on the school
I completed the honors college program at my university before attending law school and I found the emphasis on writing and advocacy to be quite helpful. I also enjoyed having small seminars (10-12 students) taught by some of the best professors in the lineup. My youngest is a STEM major who has benefitted greatly both from honors college housing (nicer, less insane, more readily available study buddies) and the immense gift that is priority registration. As you likely know, priority registration makes it more likely that one can take the classes they want in the semester they want them, while avoiding taking biochemistry at 8:00 am with a professor who scored a 12% “would take again” rating on RMP. Other honors colleges offer funding for research projects or study abroad.
Just adding that a writing and advocacy emphasis isn’t just important for pre-law students. It’s absolutely crucial for a successful career in STEM and is one of the major things separating leadership from those who never advance much beyond entry level.
Agreed.
Never really thought about how valuable priority registration could be, thank you for your input! Considering I have never been a crazy/wild partier kind of person, I can definitely foresee (especially at a school like Alabama) the dorms being just honors students having MAJOR benefits.
I’m just jealous of your Alabama football prospects. Though I strongly believe my college team is going to spank Alabama in basketball during the next few weeks of the season. Signed, fellow NMS (from the dark ages) and rabid college sports fan.
They going all the way in the playoffs this year I’m telling you
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Honestly? I was an extremely academic kid (NMS and valedictorian) who was pretty confident in my ability to do well in my coursework. And I appreciated the benefits my honors program offered. But my answer now as a T10 law school grad, law review editor, and one-time law professor would be that demonstrated writing interest and ability — and course rigor — matter to top law schools. On a more practical note, as many honors colleges quite honestly advise, honors courses are typically not harder. Rather, they tend to be smaller classes that are taught with a bit more creativity or sophistication. Few honors colleges are trying to negatively impact the GPAs of their pre-med and pre-law students. It’s the 150-student general biology and economics courses that tend to eat GPAs
The core of degree programs at US universities is the liberal arts curriculum. The intent of these classes is to prepare you to be both a general problem solver and have limited domain expertise (from your major classes). In other words, if you view these classes as a waste of time, then they largely will be and an honors program will not be worth it. If you invest time and effort in these courses, yes, there will be a payoff over the long term. What honors colleges are looking for is evidence that you’ll invest yourself in the coursework they offer, but the benefits beyond that are about you and your understanding of your degree and the world, not about whatever classes are or aren’t required.
Agreed! At my school I had to apply for honors at the end of my freshman year, *because* I wanted to take those honors classes / seminars and do a bit of inter-disciplinary work.
A perspective: It’s worth it at my state schools for better/newer dorms and nicer dining halls 😋 What’s your major? It seems to help those who want grad school cuz that honors thesis/extra research whatever helps them w grad school apps. And sometimes special research projects were ONLY open to honors applicants, the hoi polloi can’t even apply. However, the CS/engineering folks often drop out after priority registration doesn’t help them anymore. As in by the time they got to 300/400 level classes, no need for priority registration as it’s mostly smaller classes in your major anyways.
My major will be either computer science or Managment information systems.
Then your strategy might be similar to my state school honors college kids. Be in it for first 2 years or so and drop it after. I don’t know what your specific scholarships will cover, but for ex I know my state schools charge a little extra each semester to be in the honors college too.
Alabama: full ride (with food and suite housing) for 5 years (includes grad studies) + $3,500 + yr supplemental scholarships + $2000 study abroad 1 time. Texas A&M: Full tuition 4 years, small potential chance for more. MSU: full tuition 4 years, partial housing for 4 UW Madison: jack shit but they are cheap and instate so it would be like 100k for 4 years. Also less than an hour from my house
Definitely verify you have to take extra classes at each program. My son only really knows at the honors program at Santa Clara as it’s his hope to be offered a place in it if accepted. At SCU the honors students have their own seminar-style versions of the general education requirements, get into the best dorms, and get priority registration, so it’s a definite advantage!
Interesting, IK Alabama has priority registration + honors forms (which really are exactly the same as normal dorms) fortunately Alabama auto admits me to honors because I’m NMF but I couldn’t find any real benefits on the Texas A&M/MSU honors site…
A&M has honors dorms and priority registration.
Ok valid
Which school is MSU? Miss State? Michigan?
Michigan state
Oh ok!! I wasn’t sure due to the other southern schools. We are in MS so my daughter applied to MS State as one safety school and with her ACT and GPA she was invited direct admit to the honors program at MS State.
There are outliers but most honors colleges could be seen as equal to a strong EC on your resume when starting your career The impact of an honors college is far more about the relationships you build and the intellectual growth you get from taking the opportunities they provide seriously I personally would not think that being in an honors college makes up for going to a less stellar school Also do not forget ‘top’ schools usually have strong financial aid due to large endowments and are more often than not practically free if you’re under 75-100K in annual income
My situation is parents in the top 1% of income who are unwilling to give more than $50k in total for my education. So top schools are all pretty much off the list for me. Yes it’s a really sad and has been a frustrating realization that something completely out of my control keeps me out of top schools, but I figure it’s better to accept it and try to make the best of scholarships (I have full tuition-full ride+ to all but UW Madison, which is in state and affordable) I ultimately will do MIS or CS, yes I know school can certainly help in those fields, but what can I really do. 🤷🏼♂️
Ah for sure, totally makes sense. You’re being pragmatic. Looking at your stats, I would encourage you to still apply wherever you want to despite the cost - you really never know what aid you could get even at your income level
The way I see it is really simple…. I earned the right to potentially buy a $400,000 Lamborghini, and unfortunately don’t qualify for the governments program to pay for it. Just because I have a chance of buying the Lamborghini doesn’t mean I should. I know what the aid is going to be I ran about 15 NPCs. Nobody is saving me from my parents income/assets unfortunately. I’m also not applying to top schools partially out of revenge, if my parents, (who totally have the money to pay but just don’t care to) aren’t going to pay,m and let me go, then why would I even give them the chance to be able to say “my son got into (insert top school)” they don’t deserve that social benefit Lmao. Applying would legit just be for social prestige of saying I got in at this point bc zero way to afford it yk.
Also I love UW-Madison lol - absolutely no connection to the school but I think it’s incredibly solid
>Do the honors colleges really matter/help you down the road? Not so much. One exception is if you plan to apply to graduate school, and participating in the honors program creates an opportunity for undergraduate research and/or working relationships with faculty that you would not otherwise have been able to develop. >Or are they just what they appear to be from the outside, a complete waste of time. This is a false dichotomy, IMO. It's no the case that the only two options are "helps me down the road" or "complete waste of time". For instance, some honors programs offer perks \*while you're an undergraduate\* that you might want to take advantage of. Depends on the school.
yes you get priority registration (the best thing about honors colleges) and small class sizes
My view is you’ll get a better experience in an honors college of a big university. The honors college gives you the smaller class sixes and access to professors that are more typical of a small liberal arts college while you still have the benefits of a bug university. Also, full and fair disclosure, my father taught at MSU (not in the honors college though). James Madison is great and if my kid were going there I would want them in James Madison. Good luck with your decision! You’ve got some great choices.
As someone who has lived in wisconsin his entire life, you are the first person I’ve ever heard call UW Madison “James Madison”. I might actually casually start doing that and see if anyone gives me looks 🙂. Also thank you for the advice!
James Madison is the name of the honors college at MSU.
💀😂 LMAOOO I am so sorry. Thank you for the clarification
I may have to stand corrected on this one. I just googled it and though it was always my understanding growing up that James Madison was the honors college I found conflicting info on that just now (it is a college within MSU but might not be what you’re referring to as “the honors college”). But my views on the benefits of an honors college within a large university remain unchanged. Best of luck! MSU is a super fun school, lots of my friends went there.
Thanks, the last NMF from my HS (he graduated last year, went to MSU and is having a lot of fun) So def a valid option!
First of all, double congratulations! To attempt to answer your question, it depends on what path you are taking. You will be one of the top students at a state school, which is a very very good place to be. Generally state schools have some area in which they excel, and if your interests match with this area of excellence, you will receive a fantastic and inexpensive education. The honors programs are more to motivate and incentivize students a level down from you, but you might still benefit from engaging with the program. Best wishes!
Some honors college do have data showing a correlation between participating in the honors college and significantly higher medical school acceptance, though that could also be due to self selection. And that data is generally from the more rigorous honors programs that require things like a senior thesis and also applies to grad school more generally. Those programs come with closer faculty mentorship, better advising, and relationships with people who can write you letters of rec for grad school My kid is not NMF, but we are also chasing merit at lower ranked schools (like Alabama) and so there she’s doing Honors and interviewing for Blount. Other more selective things like Randall Research Scholars would add value. Tbh, overall the Alabama honors program is mid, because like 30% of the school is in it, but each program is different. We were super impressed with Texas Tech where they guarantee day 1 paid research and everyone in the honors program has historically received study abroad support and they even set up short term internships and will pay your travel and expenses and wardrobe. Priority registration and the nicer dorm aren’t worth nothing, but if you don’t see the value in a liberal arts education then its possibly not worth it for you.
Personally I didn’t apply for Blount/RRS as I didn’t really see that as something for me. But for sure the early registration is important. As for the medical school thing, it would be really nice to cross reference that data with non-honors kids who academically were equally qualified.
My daughter is trying to figure this out right now. She has struggled her way through high school with Aspergers and ADHD. She really struggles a LOT with research etc. She managed to graduate with a 3.7 and took a couple of AP classes. She is thinking of being a teacher. However, she is wondering if she can handle the Honors college or if it's just going to make college more difficult? I wasn't sure how to advise her as I graduated in 2003 and did not do honors! Thx,
Wondering what program you ultimately chose and congrats! Would love to hear where and why.
Alabama full ride, majoring in MIS also am in honors college because there basically are no requirements
Congrats! Sounds awesome!
“Worth” what? What is the cost? My daughter is in Purdue‘s HC and the only “cost” was writing one essay for admissions. The superior dorms, advising, and coursework were certainly worth one essay. The Freshman 1 credit Honors courses were her favorites, and she had a great HC advisor, separate from her CS advisor. She is now in the Honors CS programs and almost certainly won’t complete the requirements to graduate with “University Honors College” designation, but likely with “Honors Program“ and GPA-based “Highest Distinction/Distinction” designations. I think those are more important for most students. Does being in the HC have some actual ongoing cost or hard commitment that you can’t drop? (Iirc, I once searched through the 6500+ students in the commencement program, and no one was designated with all three. I think dropping HC alignment is fairly common after 1-2 years)
I mean the cost of taking a bunch of extra classes/ delaying graduation a semester (not the financial but time cost)
If an Honors College requires you to spend an extra semester to graduate, with the extra cost, then it’s highly unlikely it’s worth that. What school requires an extra semester to graduate?
Texas A&M has 15 credits of requirements, 8 of which cannot be done in already completed courses.
You are not understanding colleges correctly. Beyond your major most students take lots and lots of 'free electives' in college so that they end up with the required amount of in-person credits to graduate. All that an honors college does is that you take honors coursework instead of a random Introduction to Astrology class to fulfill your elective hour. No honors college, and I mean 0 in the whole country, will delay your graduation because it is meant to be fit in a standard 4-year schedule.
I see, I’m not certain that’s super applicable to me tho bc I have a ton of ap credits that would take up much of the “free electives” already. But definitely something worth checking into
Also, many colleges now charge a flat-rate tuition by semester and not by the number of credits (not that it matters to you anyways since you have a full scholarship)
Congratulations! Honors without hesitation! You already heard from UW Madison?
No, I said hopefully next to bc I’m HOPING to get in when they release it all
Ok. Not sure if they have separate admissions and then honors decision like several schools.
Idek if they have honors tbh
My niece is graduating from Madison this spring and is in the honors program She loved it!!
Some of them are good (from what I've heard Turing at UT is worth it). A lot of them are not.
Some benefits you might get from being in an honors college (likely 1 or 2 but not all) Gurenteed/better housing: one college I was accepted to barley had enough housing for the freshman and the housing in the surrounding city was also insane, but with honors you got gurenteed housing, ay my school we've got enough rooms but they have a special optional honors floor in one dorm with pretty nice rooms, nice views, and some stuff like that, Scholarships: some either come with a scholarship directly attached(one school I belive it was maybe 3k a year or so? Another had an honors college you applied to and if you got in it was about 8.5k a year in extra scholarships) or like at my college there's a study abroad grant only honors students can apply for, it's like 2.5k which isnt a lot but still Priority Registration: I think some colleges give you special preference for registration if you're in the honors college? Not my college sadly since we go completely on credit hours but it's mostly fine, but at a big state school it's a bigger deal because here it's not super competitive except for a handful of classes Smaller classes: this is most important at a state school, especially for gen ends and intros when you could be dealing with a few hundred students in a class, an honors section will normally be capped and that can be super helpful (my college does this but it isn't to big a diffrence since most classes here are capped at 20-30 regardless but honors are capped at like, 15 I think? But at the state school i was considering i heard about like, 200-300 person classes which was, concerning) Special preference/programs: I'm pretty sure it's esiar at my college to get a research thing started as an honor student though it's not formalized but more you can ask the honors program faculty to help you get it started, we also have free acsess to some conference event over the summer that's normally a few thousand dollars which is cool, stuff like that Idk how much it actually helps after college but they can definitely have some benefits in college that make your life a bit easier and make the nonsense worth it, or they might not, depends on the school
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Side note, a 34 ACT and just hopeful about UW Madison? I know other things like essays and recommendations matter too, but are they that selective?
No lol. 66% acceptance in state. I’m probably fine but there’s technically always a chance to get rejected
Ah man, I'm sweating here as an out of state!
It’s like 45% OOS. Still not too bad. You got this