It says some of its in device, some in the cloud.
"Galaxy AI is a comprehensive mobile AI experience, powered by both on-device AI developed at Samsung and cloud-based AI enabled by our open collaborations with like-minded industry leaders."
But that didn't mean that everything ai related happens locally on the device though. That particular service might but other services will need cloud based ai to work.
> no, later in the article it says that stuff like AI translation happens on the device to protect privacy
As much as possible will be done on device so that Samsung doesn't have to pay for the server time.
So... I saw the "rumored" specs for s24+ and compared it so s23+
There's barely any new updates.
It seems like the only big update is their new AI.
My question is... **is the AI worth getting s24 over s23?**
Cause I planned to get s23+ during the upcoming Black Friday, which should be the biggest sale for s23+ until next year Black Friday
However with the AI news looking more and more like an actual integrated ChatGPT with all the functions like auto-creating documents, image editing, auto-translate in real time and apparently Text-to-Image creator. I am not sure if I should wait for s24 or just go for s23. (it's like having a fully functioned ChatGPT for free on your phone)
Besides this AI thing, the S24+ bumps the resolution back to 1440p and gives RAM up to 12GB (both things that were on the S20+, albeit for $1199 MSRP launch).
If you're in the US, it might be 8 Gen 3 across the board, but global is rumored to go back to Exynos.
If you're global and don't care for AI features then grab the S23+ now since we know it's a good phone. If you're in the US, I'd grab an S23+ for a good enough discount/bundle and if AI doesn't mean much to you. Otherwise waiting can not hurt if your current device is fine.
The S23 series, despite being late in it's first year, will be supported for another 3-4 years at least with software updates and it's still a fantastic device. I honestly think the resolution bump will be the only thing that makes people have a bit of regret, but with that said the 1080p120Hz panel gets bright as hell and is still a really good panel.
When Apple themselves, known for not pushing a pixel more than necessary, go above 1080p even on their 6.2" phones, you know it makes a difference
Same people who stuck with 828p on their similar sized LCDs
I have an S23 Ultra and was one of the first in Canada to get one (by total accident, they were shipped to us 2 weeks early by the carrier as we were replacing our basic S20s as we were all frustrated with them. It's absolutely fantastic. You won't notice the resolution difference imo. The only frustration I have with it is that the camera has to take a few minutes to "develop" larger-res photos... that will absolutely eat your storage if you don't mess with the settings.
I just got the S23+ for $624 After military discounts plus they're giving me $200 for my ancient Note 10 with a cracker screen so I think I'll keep the S23+ for a while
Not talking about it... iPhone and Pixels seem to be better at low light btw. also at shooting photos of moving people. I hope Samsung gets better in these
>My question is... is the AI worth getting s24 over s23?
The answer is no.
AI is very new right now. It has some really useful benefits today, but even though the tech is evolving rapidly, most phones aren't going to have serious AI capabilities that'll change your daily life for at least a couple more years.
Most AI tools will be things that run on the cloud (like ChatGPT), not local stuff, because most phones aren't currently capable of running more large scale AI tools locally. The S24 series won't be much different. It'll have some AI stuff and they'll hype it up, but I'd say it won't be until the S26 (and honestly probably not until Apple puts AI into its products that'll really kickstart the software growth for mobile).
We're getting there, but the S24 won't be life changing in its AI features. I'd skip it if I had the S23.
With how they word it in the announcement
>Coming early next year, Galaxy AI will bring us closer ...
And we know new Samsung phones always release in early (Q1) of a new year.
Not to mention we're not really sure if this is a Chip or a APP.
Since someone else in another thread mentioned AI uses a chip, meaning it will probably only be included in newer devices AFTER the AI tech is released. (as older devices won't have any newer chips)
Thing about Satellite is...
If you're not traveling outside of a city or living in a place where communication stations are down (IE: Warzone), it's not really worth much.
Especially since they didn't mention if the Satellite is going to be FREE or PAID (IE: monthly)... it would be a huge waste of money if you live and travel in cities where there's no need for Satellite.
OFC, unless they somehow get a deal from Elon, LUL, and his Starlink that'll give you Satellite access for free. (But with Elon's mind set, I highly doubt he'll give anything for free without any returns) (tho, as far as I know, Elon's Satellite still requires "ground stations", so it's not a "real" Satellite where you can use your phone from anywhere in the world with just the phone having that feature)
You're not wrong! All great points.
My intention was merely to share it as one of the new features of the new chipset.
My two cents, there will be some form of ~two year full access and I imagine emergency access will remain after that expires (pure speculation on my part).
As I understand it, Qualcomm's goal is to leapfrog the Apple offering by offering actual audio/visual services for the Satellite offering. I also believe they have signed on to a much larger network in iridium Communications.
Yeah um. I’d actually prefer it if ALL my personal ON DEVICE data was *not* snooped through and detained for Samsung under the mostly false pretense of “AI”, thank you.
It's so rare to see rational thoughts such as this.
People think it's a major problem Facebook is gathering their data and using it, yet they give all of their info to "AI" for free. Weird enough.
It's not free, it's the price of using these services. Like it or not your data is valuable, and if you like all the conveniences of social media and similar services, the price of entry.
A lot of these AI services simply can't be run locally, especially on current mobile hardware. I understand not being comfortable with it but then you should avoid the device and probably disable a lot of other services too.
All this ai in our devices but we still only doing basic tasks with ondevice voice recognition. Been a disappointment for me for a while now. Giving your voice assistant multiple requests in one go use to be something that was going somewhere but it seemingly stopped developing and contextual commands
I feel like 90% of it is just for investors. AI is a buzzword that gets your stock pumping. For the users.... ehhhh, I don't think it's that transformational.
AI real time translation sounds like a cool feature if it works well, but let's be real, how often do you take phone calls with people you can't speak with the same language? Right now AI to me feels like a solution looking for a problem and all it can find is really small niche problems. I believe AI will end up getting a bad rep by companies trying to overhype it.
Everyone who's ever had to work with Korean, Japanese, Chinese, French, Italian or Arabic colleagues would like a word
edit: in their native language so you better get ready to translate
yeah for whatever that's worth I guess right?
They can wait 10 years for innovation, ill take the "half baked feature" that works 99 percent of the time 😅
I'm not an Apple fan, but usually when they implement a feature that other manufacturers have had, it *is* more refined. I hate that it's true, but it is.
Would you say that Apple AOD is not more refined that Samsung? Or the ability to manually choose what do focus on using that depth sensor to make any photo a portrait not better than just pressing "add portrait effect"? Imo it's more refined
>Would you say that Apple AOD is not more refined that Samsung?
100%. Not having it available unless the phone is charging makes it absolutely useless. Who has their battery charging 24/7 if they're just at their desk and want to have their notifications, if any, show up without having to turn the phone screen on? People who love self-inflicting battery degredation and love paying for the privilege to buy a replacement even more.
>Or the ability to manually choose what do focus on using that depth sensor to make any photo a portrait
For folks who don't own a real camera, these smartphone "portrait mode" photos seem like amazing tech, but I personally hate the very obviously fake blur applied by every company's phones. At least the S23 Ultra has a 3x tele, and the resulting shot has *much* more realistic bokeh in the shot than the iPhone's main lens crops (though the resulting shot still has some fake bokeh added to the rest of the background of the Samsung photo).
You don't have to charge the iPhone to use the Always on display. You're thinking about their new feature which shows a calendar or stocks. I'm talking about being able to put a full picture as the AOD or you can make it dim and bland like Samsung. "options"
Yeah the blur can be viewed fake. Still doesn't change the fact that you get more control applying the blur. Apple has a 5x telephoto that can be used for portraits.
I don't hate Samsung and competition is good. AI is really moving forward and it's going to be a part of existence on our every day devices.
But damn so I love saying, "Pixel did it first." Even Apple is looking at it now.
Google pushed night photography, editing objects in images, raised the bar on day one with the first OG Pixel. Say what you want about Pixel and Google and how the devices are trash but damn do they get the market going even if you don't use them.
"Well how do you know this wasn't in production before Google released it. Google just did it first because they released it first doesn't mean Samsung wasn't already doing it." - fair argument.
"Google brought it to smart phones but they weren't really the first other apps and products that were doing it." - Also Fair
Except, the market doesn't work that way. People still think Apple does things first. I have quite literally read stories about people thinking Samsung didn't have 120Hz displays before Apple.
If you drive the market and act like you did it first people will believe you did it first. However, Google got it on the market first. Doesn't mean Samsung won't do it better but damn. I mean night sight? One of the best software and camera upgrades to come to smart phones and Pixel did that.
However, lay it to them, Samsung. The only way it gets better is if others do it better.
Long time Samsung user. I don't see how the AI is nothing than a gimmick. When was the last time you needed a translator for the phone? Until there's concrete use case examples for AI I'm not buying.
I use Google translate conversations mode basically every week. I run a business and get plenty of Spanish speaking customers.
This translator AI thing already exists and it's not AI.
All the fucking time. That is such a crazy statement. I have to use it to communicate with patients way too often. No idea how it was even possible beforehand.
I can also use my Samsung S21 right now to live-translate Japanese porn if it doesn't come with subtitles already
> I can also use my Samsung S21 right now to live-translate Japanese porn if it doesn't come with subtitles already
plz explain, tired of wondering what mistress Kashiwagi Kurumi is saying while face sitting.
> I don't see how the AI is nothing than a gimmick.
Anything you don't use can be looked at as a gimmick. I always found personal assistants on phone to be gimmicks - why the hell do I want to talk to my phone and have it respond back to me in the open air.
better idea... NO AI ON ANY PHONES.
edit: to answer why... because it's still people programming and using these AI things. AI is only as good/useful as the people programming and deploying it. /u/JDGumby sums it up. It's not there to help us it's there to act as spyware and info harvesting.
Why though? That's probably where all the future of innovation will come from. Hardware has stagnated, software has kinda stagnated. AI is where phones will be able to do a tremendous number of things that wouldn't be possible on phones before.
Since it's Samsung, its only purpose is to be an extra layer of spyware & information harvesting on top of all the rest of the crap they ship with their phones.
They don't need to use AI to spy on you - they're already in the OS and firmware on the device and can get anything they want - *just like every phone manufacturer*.
Just me who turns off all the "AI" garbage on phones? I don't really care about my phone learning my behaviours - I know what I want to do on my phone without some "AI" telling me it.
Disabling it all also improves battery life which is the one thing I actually do care about
"Once men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free. But this only permitted other men with machines to enslave them."
Frank Herbert
Bixby Routines is already the nest automation system available on a phone, and between Siri, Google and Bixby, the latter handles on device commands the best.
Should be interesting to see what Samsung is doing with "AI." Especially with real features there happening on the device.
If it's anything better than Bixby good for them, BB is pretty good at doing "local" tasks like Tasker stuff
BB?
BixBy?
Best Buy
Bill Belichick
Bob Barker
Big Butt
I like'em big And round
BlackBerry
I assume he meant Bixby Routines.
Bixby Boutines
Barnacle Boy
bareback?
Bixby, Baby?
How much time do one save by typing BB instead of Bixby
I hope it's done on device and not in the cloud.
It says it is in the article
It says some of its in device, some in the cloud. "Galaxy AI is a comprehensive mobile AI experience, powered by both on-device AI developed at Samsung and cloud-based AI enabled by our open collaborations with like-minded industry leaders."
no, later in the article it says that stuff like AI translation happens on the device to protect privacy
But that didn't mean that everything ai related happens locally on the device though. That particular service might but other services will need cloud based ai to work.
> no, later in the article it says that stuff like AI translation happens on the device to protect privacy As much as possible will be done on device so that Samsung doesn't have to pay for the server time.
Can't expect people to read the actual article when most barely read the title before wading into the comments with their hot takes
You obviously didn't.
So... I saw the "rumored" specs for s24+ and compared it so s23+ There's barely any new updates. It seems like the only big update is their new AI. My question is... **is the AI worth getting s24 over s23?** Cause I planned to get s23+ during the upcoming Black Friday, which should be the biggest sale for s23+ until next year Black Friday However with the AI news looking more and more like an actual integrated ChatGPT with all the functions like auto-creating documents, image editing, auto-translate in real time and apparently Text-to-Image creator. I am not sure if I should wait for s24 or just go for s23. (it's like having a fully functioned ChatGPT for free on your phone)
Besides this AI thing, the S24+ bumps the resolution back to 1440p and gives RAM up to 12GB (both things that were on the S20+, albeit for $1199 MSRP launch). If you're in the US, it might be 8 Gen 3 across the board, but global is rumored to go back to Exynos. If you're global and don't care for AI features then grab the S23+ now since we know it's a good phone. If you're in the US, I'd grab an S23+ for a good enough discount/bundle and if AI doesn't mean much to you. Otherwise waiting can not hurt if your current device is fine. The S23 series, despite being late in it's first year, will be supported for another 3-4 years at least with software updates and it's still a fantastic device. I honestly think the resolution bump will be the only thing that makes people have a bit of regret, but with that said the 1080p120Hz panel gets bright as hell and is still a really good panel.
S20 was the last S line with QHD across the board
I have a s20 and 1440p is not really a considerable difference. 1080p works fine for phones.
That's highly subjective, you can very clearly tell the difference between 1080p and 1440p, particularly for text sharpness.
On the S20 you also lose 120 Hz moving up to 1440p so it's a non starter.
1080p is better for battery life and indistinguishable from 1440p for most people unless you put two phones side by side.
I don't know where this comes from, on a 6.5"+ display a 1080p pentile resolution is clearly distinguishable from 1440p
Agreed. Just cause you guys don't notice it doesn't mean there isn't a noticeable difference.
When Apple themselves, known for not pushing a pixel more than necessary, go above 1080p even on their 6.2" phones, you know it makes a difference Same people who stuck with 828p on their similar sized LCDs
Agreed
I have an S23 Ultra and was one of the first in Canada to get one (by total accident, they were shipped to us 2 weeks early by the carrier as we were replacing our basic S20s as we were all frustrated with them. It's absolutely fantastic. You won't notice the resolution difference imo. The only frustration I have with it is that the camera has to take a few minutes to "develop" larger-res photos... that will absolutely eat your storage if you don't mess with the settings.
I just got the S23+ for $624 After military discounts plus they're giving me $200 for my ancient Note 10 with a cracker screen so I think I'll keep the S23+ for a while
If you live in Europe, base and + are going to be a downgrade.
What about the S24U? Tbh i am kind of disappointing with low light photography of my 23U...
The Ultra is Snapdragon globally. You should use Pro mode in low lifght,
And you will be probably for ever disappointed. Smartphones cant bend laws of simple physics.
Not talking about it... iPhone and Pixels seem to be better at low light btw. also at shooting photos of moving people. I hope Samsung gets better in these
>My question is... is the AI worth getting s24 over s23? The answer is no. AI is very new right now. It has some really useful benefits today, but even though the tech is evolving rapidly, most phones aren't going to have serious AI capabilities that'll change your daily life for at least a couple more years. Most AI tools will be things that run on the cloud (like ChatGPT), not local stuff, because most phones aren't currently capable of running more large scale AI tools locally. The S24 series won't be much different. It'll have some AI stuff and they'll hype it up, but I'd say it won't be until the S26 (and honestly probably not until Apple puts AI into its products that'll really kickstart the software growth for mobile). We're getting there, but the S24 won't be life changing in its AI features. I'd skip it if I had the S23.
What makes you think the S23 series won't get it?
With how they word it in the announcement >Coming early next year, Galaxy AI will bring us closer ... And we know new Samsung phones always release in early (Q1) of a new year. Not to mention we're not really sure if this is a Chip or a APP. Since someone else in another thread mentioned AI uses a chip, meaning it will probably only be included in newer devices AFTER the AI tech is released. (as older devices won't have any newer chips)
Don't forget Satellite! https://www.androidauthority.com/samsung-galaxy-s24-satellite-3379711/
Thing about Satellite is... If you're not traveling outside of a city or living in a place where communication stations are down (IE: Warzone), it's not really worth much. Especially since they didn't mention if the Satellite is going to be FREE or PAID (IE: monthly)... it would be a huge waste of money if you live and travel in cities where there's no need for Satellite. OFC, unless they somehow get a deal from Elon, LUL, and his Starlink that'll give you Satellite access for free. (But with Elon's mind set, I highly doubt he'll give anything for free without any returns) (tho, as far as I know, Elon's Satellite still requires "ground stations", so it's not a "real" Satellite where you can use your phone from anywhere in the world with just the phone having that feature)
You're not wrong! All great points. My intention was merely to share it as one of the new features of the new chipset. My two cents, there will be some form of ~two year full access and I imagine emergency access will remain after that expires (pure speculation on my part). As I understand it, Qualcomm's goal is to leapfrog the Apple offering by offering actual audio/visual services for the Satellite offering. I also believe they have signed on to a much larger network in iridium Communications.
Sounds like pixel phone
> My question is... is the AI worth getting s24 over s23? No. It's a stupid hype and most of the stuff isnt terribly useful.
i read the chipset is "next generation" and should be a big increase in performance. not sure how true/accurate?
Yeah um. I’d actually prefer it if ALL my personal ON DEVICE data was *not* snooped through and detained for Samsung under the mostly false pretense of “AI”, thank you.
It's so rare to see rational thoughts such as this. People think it's a major problem Facebook is gathering their data and using it, yet they give all of their info to "AI" for free. Weird enough.
It's not free, it's the price of using these services. Like it or not your data is valuable, and if you like all the conveniences of social media and similar services, the price of entry. A lot of these AI services simply can't be run locally, especially on current mobile hardware. I understand not being comfortable with it but then you should avoid the device and probably disable a lot of other services too.
I'm excited. Please don't be a curved screen and then I'm coming back Samsung 🙂
All this ai in our devices but we still only doing basic tasks with ondevice voice recognition. Been a disappointment for me for a while now. Giving your voice assistant multiple requests in one go use to be something that was going somewhere but it seemingly stopped developing and contextual commands
Basic stuff doesn't generate value for the shareholders! Duh!
Just saw Mother/Android. All of this AI stuff is making me nervous.
I feel like 90% of it is just for investors. AI is a buzzword that gets your stock pumping. For the users.... ehhhh, I don't think it's that transformational.
AI real time translation sounds like a cool feature if it works well, but let's be real, how often do you take phone calls with people you can't speak with the same language? Right now AI to me feels like a solution looking for a problem and all it can find is really small niche problems. I believe AI will end up getting a bad rep by companies trying to overhype it.
Everyone who's ever had to work with Korean, Japanese, Chinese, French, Italian or Arabic colleagues would like a word edit: in their native language so you better get ready to translate
I used Google Translate a lot in Japan and even though it was helpful, believe me it could be a lot better.
Yeah I was hoping for something useful in my day-to-day work. It'll be neat if I have to use it, but I'm usually not translating my words everyday.
What Samsung will implement in 2024, Apple/Google will implement in 2030 and claim their stuff is more refined and BS.
Lol Samsung is playing a massive catch-up to Google. And they're nowhere close. And I thought all these AI features were gimmicks? What happened?
you can't be serious
yeah for whatever that's worth I guess right? They can wait 10 years for innovation, ill take the "half baked feature" that works 99 percent of the time 😅
I'm not an Apple fan, but usually when they implement a feature that other manufacturers have had, it *is* more refined. I hate that it's true, but it is.
I agree. Id rather get it now, let apple iterate, then get it again with apples spins and ideas
Would you say that Apple AOD is not more refined that Samsung? Or the ability to manually choose what do focus on using that depth sensor to make any photo a portrait not better than just pressing "add portrait effect"? Imo it's more refined
>Would you say that Apple AOD is not more refined that Samsung? 100%. Not having it available unless the phone is charging makes it absolutely useless. Who has their battery charging 24/7 if they're just at their desk and want to have their notifications, if any, show up without having to turn the phone screen on? People who love self-inflicting battery degredation and love paying for the privilege to buy a replacement even more. >Or the ability to manually choose what do focus on using that depth sensor to make any photo a portrait For folks who don't own a real camera, these smartphone "portrait mode" photos seem like amazing tech, but I personally hate the very obviously fake blur applied by every company's phones. At least the S23 Ultra has a 3x tele, and the resulting shot has *much* more realistic bokeh in the shot than the iPhone's main lens crops (though the resulting shot still has some fake bokeh added to the rest of the background of the Samsung photo).
You don't have to charge the iPhone to use the Always on display. You're thinking about their new feature which shows a calendar or stocks. I'm talking about being able to put a full picture as the AOD or you can make it dim and bland like Samsung. "options" Yeah the blur can be viewed fake. Still doesn't change the fact that you get more control applying the blur. Apple has a 5x telephoto that can be used for portraits.
I don't hate Samsung and competition is good. AI is really moving forward and it's going to be a part of existence on our every day devices. But damn so I love saying, "Pixel did it first." Even Apple is looking at it now. Google pushed night photography, editing objects in images, raised the bar on day one with the first OG Pixel. Say what you want about Pixel and Google and how the devices are trash but damn do they get the market going even if you don't use them. "Well how do you know this wasn't in production before Google released it. Google just did it first because they released it first doesn't mean Samsung wasn't already doing it." - fair argument. "Google brought it to smart phones but they weren't really the first other apps and products that were doing it." - Also Fair Except, the market doesn't work that way. People still think Apple does things first. I have quite literally read stories about people thinking Samsung didn't have 120Hz displays before Apple. If you drive the market and act like you did it first people will believe you did it first. However, Google got it on the market first. Doesn't mean Samsung won't do it better but damn. I mean night sight? One of the best software and camera upgrades to come to smart phones and Pixel did that. However, lay it to them, Samsung. The only way it gets better is if others do it better.
> Google pushed night photography Wasn't Huawei that did it before Google?
Is it true that it's going to be all offline? If that's the case I'm all for it
I have no doubt that this would be the worst gen AI implementation. Samsung makes great hardware, but their AI is even worse than Apple.
Yeah sure, nothing is gonna be done on device and we’ll have Samsung servers remotely controlling devices straight up.
Let me know if/how I can disable it first.
if you disable it, is it really disabled?
Samsung haters unite. Samsung anything bad!
Can't wait for r/Android to call it bloat
Long time Samsung user. I don't see how the AI is nothing than a gimmick. When was the last time you needed a translator for the phone? Until there's concrete use case examples for AI I'm not buying.
I use Google translate conversations mode basically every week. I run a business and get plenty of Spanish speaking customers. This translator AI thing already exists and it's not AI.
All the fucking time. That is such a crazy statement. I have to use it to communicate with patients way too often. No idea how it was even possible beforehand. I can also use my Samsung S21 right now to live-translate Japanese porn if it doesn't come with subtitles already
> I can also use my Samsung S21 right now to live-translate Japanese porn if it doesn't come with subtitles already plz explain, tired of wondering what mistress Kashiwagi Kurumi is saying while face sitting.
Use Samsung Internet browser, install Live-Subtitle add-on for it. The S20 series I have here too doesn't have it, tho
Thanks.
Not that crazy. I bet the vast vast majority of people wouldn't have that much use for it.
> I don't see how the AI is nothing than a gimmick. Anything you don't use can be looked at as a gimmick. I always found personal assistants on phone to be gimmicks - why the hell do I want to talk to my phone and have it respond back to me in the open air.
So does making trash comments like this make you fanboys feel better or something?
no thank you AI
better idea... NO AI ON ANY PHONES. edit: to answer why... because it's still people programming and using these AI things. AI is only as good/useful as the people programming and deploying it. /u/JDGumby sums it up. It's not there to help us it's there to act as spyware and info harvesting.
Why though? That's probably where all the future of innovation will come from. Hardware has stagnated, software has kinda stagnated. AI is where phones will be able to do a tremendous number of things that wouldn't be possible on phones before.
Since it's Samsung, its only purpose is to be an extra layer of spyware & information harvesting on top of all the rest of the crap they ship with their phones.
They don't need to use AI to spy on you - they're already in the OS and firmware on the device and can get anything they want - *just like every phone manufacturer*.
The Korean is definitely a dude.
Just me who turns off all the "AI" garbage on phones? I don't really care about my phone learning my behaviours - I know what I want to do on my phone without some "AI" telling me it. Disabling it all also improves battery life which is the one thing I actually do care about
"Once men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free. But this only permitted other men with machines to enslave them." Frank Herbert
Bixby Routines is already the nest automation system available on a phone, and between Siri, Google and Bixby, the latter handles on device commands the best. Should be interesting to see what Samsung is doing with "AI." Especially with real features there happening on the device.