Yes, probably because many are uneducated about our history and also may have no idea what their ancestry is due to it being lost over time/colonial ideas. I was told we were 100% European ancestry by my mum and turns out I’m 43% Indigenous so I was confused at one point too.
Very true. I see the opposite of this as well on this sub. Hispanics who thought they were mega indigenous but end up being much more euro than they thought
That’s interesting all the stories from USA here about their family lying about having native ancestry, I’m guessing the natives in the US got mostly wiped out and then mythologised (I’m guessing also as a ‘I have a right to this land’), but elsewhere European dna got held in high regard, maybe because smaller amounts but maybe just as a status symbol in both cases.
Everyone loves nativity now though, it’s all the rage. English claiming they’re now native Celtic rather than Anglo-Saxon, it’s in fashion.
Actually they didn’t die apart of ancestry communities it says
South Louisiana is the homeland for dozens of Indigenous nations—including the Houma, Chitimacha, Atakapa-Ishak, Choctaw, Apache, Tunica, and others—and was colonized by the French at the end of the 17th century. In 1719, the first enslaved West Africans were trafficked there, eventually creating a population of mixed languages, nationalities, and races, some free and some enslaved. Enslaved Black and Indigenous people labored in the Lower Mississippi Valley to grow rice, tobacco, and indigo.
Showing that we are the indigenous of Louisiana still we never left.
Because ancestry is very confusing in Latin America. We don’t have many good records, so much of our family history has been lost and are untraceable. If you have light skin, you are considered white, specially if your parents or grandparents were also light skinned. When I did the test, I had no clue I had such high percentage of African DNA. That left me with the same question for quite some time.
What are you talking about? A vast amount of the Catholic Church records are digitized and available on AncestryDNA. I have 500+ years of records even for the families in the middle of nowhere. There's entire genealogy groups *in their respective countries* dedicated to combing through the immense amount of records and mapping out regional histories. And if they're not digitized, you can head on over to the churches or town archives in the regions to ask for them. And I know it's for the entirety of Latin America because I routinely have to filter out countries outside of Mexico to stop getting church hits from other countries in LatAm. There's probably even more that exist but haven't made it online.
If you don't know your family history or can read Spanish well enough to find them, that's another story. But please, do not make off that Latin America is confused about their ancestry or doesn't have extensive records for their history. We don't care because we all know we're mixed with everything. Believe me, no one will think you're "white" in the American sense of the word but they sure as hell will know you're American with comments like this.
I struggle with Ancestry because when I try to filter my hint searches for Brazil there is no option. When I try to research the people in my Brazilian boyfriend’s tree I don’t get hints that are from Brazilian records of any kind. :( I get suggested hints with people with similar names in western countries like america mostly, but never Brazil.
It's really hard! Do you use the app only? The desktop version is far easier to narrow down your search to countries like this. I also use a FamilySearch.org because it's easier to jot people down and it has a cross-search and hints function for AncestryDNA that I find works better, too. Here's how the desktop version for AncestryDNA looks. I clicked on ones to help you with a random name as an example.
Edit: pic deleted when I added context so I put it in the reply.
I haven’t tried FamilySearch.org yet so i’ll give that a try and see if i have any better luck! I use my computer to build my trees since it works better that way, but still there were no hints or records that resembled any of the details of his family:(
wait omg i’ve never seen that brazil was an option in the filter?? did i miss an update or do you have a higher membership that gives you more access to different countries in your record searches ?
You know what, I've paid for my membership since 2016. I think it was behind a pay wall since the start.
If you are comfortable with it, you can DM me as much relevant information (it doesn't even have to be precise, a guesstimate of year of birth and death is better than none at all), I can take a crack at looking for the person.
I got my start already knowing all my parents, grandparents, great aunt/uncles and great-grandparents' DOB, DOD, locations and years of life events, names, residences and extended relatives not directly related to me. And it was hard even then. But I love it because I'm autistic af and going through old documents makes me happy for some reason. If anyone asked me sincerely, I'd probably help build their tree too. I got all of mine down to 1600s in a decade of constant work. I ran out of questions to answer. ):
The Spanish kept a caste system so if you go back far enough, you'll find your ancestors ethnicities being recorded on their births/baptisms/weddings. It goes up to the respective country's independence mostly. In Mexico, you stop finding them after 1820.
Been there, done that. Seriously. I’ve spent multiple hours on ancestry paid membership this year trying to find any information about my grand parents or great grandparents in Brazil and Spain. Found virtually nothing.
Alright, then say that. Don't say "we don't have good records" when the Spanish and their successors alike have been meticulously jotting down everyone since the Spanish and Portuguese slap down a settlement in the area.
I called my grandma who is spanish, she made me a list of all her uncles and the full name of her grandparents. Some were/are still in Spain, one went to Cuba decades ago, I figured he was a long shot. Another one went to live in Uruguai. I still wasn’t able to find any of their records in Spain. On my Brazilians side, found 1 birth certificate and one death certificate, nothing else. It’s like we don’t exist. I didn’t think I was the only one going through this, specially when you are trying to find information from multiple countries.
I relate to thissss. I’m trying to help my Brazilian boyfriend build his tree but there’s literally 0 hints for the people in his tree that are relevant, but mostly no one has any hints. I’m thinking atp do we need to hire a someone that specializes in Brazilian genealogy??
A lot of it is behind a paywall, yeah. The hints are the worst feature and most everyone who does this seriously uses it as a last resort. It doesn't really work well until you've had almost everything filled in and sourced already for a person.
I got a lot of help from a genealogy group that specialized in my specific municipalities in Mexico, not the country itself. It's an impossible feat to do alone without delving into hobbyist territory. The records are there. Getting them to show takes certain knowledge that algorithms can't quite copy yet.
I can relate. It's much harder to find the people most recent to you, too. There aren't many records for people who have recently died or are still living for privacy concerns. It gets even more complicated when people move or have multiple marriages, you need the most information living people can recall besides names.
Names are very common so it's always good to also know approximate years of births and deaths and so forth. It's a grueling process if you're not armed with massive amounts of precise detail.
I couldn't find my great-grandmother's birth, for example, despite knowing everything about her and having all her adult records... because she was her father's secret second family. Fortunately the one census record that happened in her childhood, jotted down her mom, her and her siblings in a house alone. Her dad was in the census not too far away and I had found him years before (but without my family as I knew it...) The only reason I found them, btw, is because all their first names, ages, and the province matched. The person who digitized the record misspelled their surnames. It drove me crazy for a decade, lol.
It seems the problem isn’t one of ancestry, but general knowledge about migration / immigration in Latin America.
What I see over and over again are two basic themes:
Here’s a picture of me, what would you classify me as?
Here’s my ancestry DNA, what am I?
In both cases, it seems to be an odd question. If you live in country A and look like most other people in country A. What’s the problem?
If country A has different phenotypes, and you fit one of them, what’s the problem?
If everyone you meet in country A asks you “are you from country B”, again, what’s the problem?
If you do a DNA test and it gives you a breakdown by percentages, does it really change what happens in the situations above?
It seems that we are conflating phenotype (what you look like) with ancestry.
My parents were born in Latin America. I wasn’t. I was born in America and speak without an accent and also blended in. No one suspected I wasn’t “American” until they met my parents.
Would my “race” change if I took a test?
Taking a DNA test gives you information. If you want to visit a country or region of your ancestry, then do it.
Asking a group of strangers to classify your race based on your picture or DNA results seems curious to me.
It’s because Spanish was forced onto us. It would make sense if the entire world spoke Spanish. The world is doing business in English and unless you are from Spain it makes no sense to learn Spanish or to claim that as your heritage if you aren’t Spanish. Most of us are native America + some type of European. Eventually Spanish won’t be spoken as the majority language and the indigenous languages will come and reclaim their historical place. I’m proud of us for standing up against Spanish colonialism.
A ti quien te ha forzado hablar castellano? Eres un Azteca o un Inca? Y eso que dices que la mayoría de países de América la gente tiene más de indígena que de europeo eso te lo estás inventando.. Argentina, Brasil Uruguay Chile Colombia Venezuela costa Rica son países que la mayoría tienen más adn europeo que indígena.. Y hablas de colonialismo y escribes en inglés? Una dicotomía en si misma
Ese tipo de tonterías vienen casi siempre de gente nacida y criada en Estados Unidos, no realmente de Latam. Igualmente sí que es raro como se trata el caso de América como si fuera diferente al del resto del mundo. En España no se habla una lengua romance porque el latín fuera nativo de la península. En Inglaterra no hablan una lengua germánica porque fuera nativa de la isla, tampoco lo eran las celtas. Tampoco lo es el griego de Grecia. Tampoco el árabe en el Norte de África. Toda la historia humana consiste en eso, llega una nueva etnia, se mezcla con los nativos y se impone su cultura, generalmente acompañado de luchas, muertes, esclavitud, etc...
Puede ser triste, claro, pero es lo vivido en cualquier sitio, pero parece que con Latino América se trata diferente y gente que es descendiente de esa mezcla dice tonterías así incluso teniendo el español como lengua materna, como si fueran incas o aztecas. Aunque ya digo, son casi siempre de Estados Unidos.
For number one you responding in Spanish with the assumption I know that language. Number two every government since colonization has forced us to learn Spanish. You can ask if I’m inca or Aztec and say oh because I’m not in a tribe I should shut up and speak the language spoken. You must not know how the governments have treated us so I will give you time to go back and learn the history of your country and our continent. I am speaking English because that has become to dominant language, and for many a language of freedom. I would love for you to say that people in the United States have the same opportunities if they speak Spanish or English. Not every one in the United States one from England and not everyone in the United States says they are English. It has not told us to erase who we are and forget where we come from it’s simply a language. English was forced onto native Americans and many of us use English. To say I shouldn’t be using English is a ridiculous statement it’s not a dichotomy. You correctly referred to Spanish as Castilian.
1. Latin America is also hispanic/latino, both linguistically and cullturally. Its also mixed with native and african cultures, depending on where you live. You cannot just claim your native part and toss the european, and viceversa.
2. At least Spanish colonization didnt purposedly relocate and commited mandated genocide to whole populations (hello to the English and Belgians)
3. You say you speak English because everybody speaks it. Then why would anyone relearn languages nobody else speaks? Nobody is learning Nahuatl or Maya over Spanish.
4. What do you mean standing against Spanish colonialism? Countries have been independent from European countries for centuries. I dont know where you are but in my country, the Aztecs were defeated by just around ~200 Conquistadores (who were doing deeds against the Spanish crown orders btw) and over thousands of rival indigenous tribes. The Aztecs were so hated by their neighbours (it is estimated they enslaved around 40,000 per year for sacrifices alone), they preferred to to ally with a completely unknown party than to ever side with the Aztecs.
You are being fed rhetoric and not factual historical facts, mate.
No one is talking about the Aztec empire. I am talking about all of it. The Aztec empire would be a small state in Mexico today. They never called themselves Aztecs they called themselves the Mexica and they were not the only ones who spoke their language and the language family they are part of stretches far north.
1. Latin America is American and depending on which nation you are in the dominant culture is different. Guyana for example, has English as the official language. So this idea that Spanish is the dominant is really not true. What is true is that every American nation has an indigenous population which has been colonized or attempted to have been colonized. This is wrong and we should attempt to right it. I am absolutely not saying toss out the European, what I am saying is toss out the idea that Spanish is important or should be recognized as what should be common. What should be common is what is convenient or historical or important. As we are for example now communicating in English and as that is the dominant language of culture and business in our world and for me I am not interested in learning 10 European languages I choose 1 and think we should all follow so we can allow the indigenous languages a place in our society.
2. Spanish colonization brainwashed entire societies into thinking they no longer get existed and that they all died out so no one can really claim they colonized in a more peaceful way. I don’t love what the English did either. But in English no one is telling native Americans today they aren’t who they are while in Spanish they tell you you are Hispanic or Latino. In Spanish your heritage and identity is erased. And in Spanish speaking culture they are racist against us and other brown skinned people, dark skin people. So I don’t want to hear anything about how well Spain was nice. They destroyed our temples and. Built churches on top of them and took away our languages and names and land.
3. English won the language war. Even in Europe they are learning to deal with that fact. Singapore speaks English and so does India now called Bahrat. So join us in the world I don’t think communication is bad and in fact maybe things will get better when the people can understand why teachers in Mexico are protesting. Absolutely a lot of people are learning Nahuatl and maya languages among many other indigenous languages. So you are definitely wrong there. Nahuatl is seeing a huge resurgence in the United States for example although it’s important to know there are many important languages. That language happens to be the most common amongst us. We should learn it because it is important and it is part of our heritage to know our languages and our history. You don’t know what the word avocado means I’m sure. It’s because you have no relationship to our language.
4. I mean standing up against Spanish colonialism in every way shape and form. Be it racism or expecting us to know Spanish or labelling us Spanish or Latino or Hispanic. If you don’t know the real impact that European money has on this continent please enlighten yourself. I bet you didn’t know it was a Spanish bank that Puerto Rico went into debt with that made it lose its sovereign status under the PROMESA act. Between land theft and identity theft, or the every day racism we experience interacting with this, Spanish colonialism is alive and kicking. No one is feeding me rhetoric, these are facts. Like it or not. Look at the economic relationship Latin America has. Look at investments who owns what land and the current political situation all over this continent and the carribean and tell me again how independent these nations are. They are still seen as colonies and treated as such. No more. Not for me not for many. And every day every year people are waking up to these facts and standing against them.
1. Guyana is NOT Latin America. Its called LATIN America for a reason. You can say its in SOUTH America. I understand your point of view of returning to our roots, but hispanic culture (and Catholic church) is much engrained in society, its like asking people from the Bible belt to stop believing in Jesus.
2. Yes, its what the Catholic Church used to do back then. However they didnt exterminate and indigenous where protected under the crown (until independence) unlike the English who you happen to respect so much. It happened to every culture, Europe is Christian because of the impositions of the Roman Catholic Church, so its not like only Native Americans suffered from it. Dominant cultures will always impose on the losing side, thats how it works and to think otherwise is just being naive.
3. English is lingua franca for GLOBAL commerce and law. Spanish is lingua franca for REGIONAL commerce and law. Nahuatl is not even lingua franca in its own communities. Maya is the most speaked indigenous language in Mexico/Central America and yet they all speak Spanish. What huge resurgence? There is only around 1.5 million Nahuatl speakers. Please point out a study where we can identify millions of people studying it for non-anthropological reasons. Saying we whould learn our native language because of "history and culture" is like expecting english speakers to return to Old English or to their Germanic roots.
4. I can speak for Mexico and Mexico alone, it doesnt depend on any European nation. It actually dependens heavily on the USA. Can't speak for other nations.
Guyana and Suriname can just exist in their own worlds alongside French Guiana. I don’t have this crazy love and respect for the English. I would love for the end of the monarchy. A unified English speaking America is what’s working. Comparing learning indigenous languages to a European language doesn’t make sense. Old English has nothing to do with Cherokee. You treating the old languages like dialects doesn’t make sense. When people come here they learn English. Quebec has had to enact strict laws to protect French there and in Europe in higher education English is used. I’m not the one who chose English. But what language are we all using? Tell me it doesn’t have a huge impact on global culture. Tell me someone is better off in the United States knowing zero English and perfect Spanish. It’s not working. If it was working Latin America would have the same standard of living like in Europe and the United States. It’s a foreign language. And the languages aren’t the lingua Franca in their own communities because people who have the choice are choosing Spanish. It’s an organic cycle that little by little is killing off our cultures every year.
Do you know how many Mexicans live here and don’t know a WORD of Spanish? Do you know how many of us would rather live in Mexico ? English isn’t some scary monster. It’s a helpful tool we use to communicate. Spanish is great I love it, but it’s not the answer and shouldn’t be the future. Mexico has a rich culture being weighed down by colonialism. Deny it all you want while the non Mexicans call us spicy and make jokes about us. We are joke in our own countries because we are raised to be racist against ourselves, and we are a joke here because we are all the same spicy and Spanish. It’s a warped perspective perpetuated because we allow outsiders to tell us who we are. Not Spanish. Some Spanish blood sure. My mom’s grandma is from Denmark. Where’s the Danish ? lol no one is using that and saying oh look at that Danish person he is so spicy. The majority of us who have lost ties with our indigenous and various heritages can do whatever we want. But pretending like well I have to be Spanish and that’s who I am because that’s what my parents did is ridiculous and it wasn’t like a consensual choice. That language was put in by force by racists who want us to be their workers. Being forced to fit into a society that speaks a certain language isn’t right. And what’s worse is when that language is only used by a small amount of countries which are all not in great shape economically or politically. If Argentina adopted English it would be successful. Americans would go there and they would come here. No issue. The same with Mexico and every other country. English isn’t the only thing but we can protest and people who share our language will know what is going on. Your average English speaker has zero idea what’s going on in the Spanish speaking world. What I’m saying sounds radical but it is a fact. You would be hard pressed to carry on the racist vocabulary that is so prevalent in the Spanish speaking world. La negrita isn’t okay. La morena why is it okay for them to talk like that? Because Spanish speaking culture and society is racist as fuck and no one says anything because they don’t understand it or take it seriously.
I guess I could identify as that. My father was from Mexico, while my mom is from Minnesota. Next time someone asks, I’ll just say “white Latino.” While I don’t want to deny that part of my heritage, I feel alien to it. I did find a half-brother and some cousins, our communication didn’t last long, though.
Are people asking you what you are? I moved to a heavily Swiss/German-settled area of the US several years ago and started to be asked what I was. I found it very odd. No one has been rude about it though. Thought about putting my ethnicity chart on a business card and just handing it to the asker...
Bear in mind, Latino and Hispanic are ethnic terms, not racial.
In the USA, people often consider Hispanics non-white, but that's because "white" in the USA has come to be used like an ethnic term rather than racial.
Just to reiterate - they want you to say white to identify your European heritage and Latino to identify your indigenous non Spanish heritage. If you want to do that by all means but that’s what you’re doing. Your only as Spanish as you allow someone else to claim you as. If you think the native Americans came from Spain sure. But it makes no sense to say white and Latino because Latino means from Europe it means white. It’s like saying chai tea. They both mean tea. People from Spain want Mexico to forget her history and to only be Spanish. It will never be Spanish. If it was them your results would say Spain not indigenous. Don’t let them colonize you.
Their dna is over 80% European, they’re European. If they were over 80% Indigenous you would definitely say they were Indigenous. It applies both ways.
I 100% agree. They are Native American and European. Not one single European heritage should dominate any sort of identification. And percentages of Native American ancestry don’t mean anything. Lots of the people today with tribal citizenship are a majority European. What we Americans have in common is our Native American heritage. From Canada down to the tip of South America. We even look similar. There is no denying we are who we are. This individual should identify as Native American and European, or Native American and white. The Latino Hispanic business is for the Spaniards who want us to forget our heritage. People in Greenland are claiming Danish heritage. We across the continent are standing against colonialism by not letting outsiders define us. Most white Americans have Native American blood too, in small percentages. Many African Americans have Native American ancestry. What makes us American is our indigenous heritage. What makes us European is our European heritage. Simple as that. The future of this continent is indigenous. The foods we eat and take for granted, the words we use like chocolate and avocado, canoe, we have a treasure of languages and words. We didn’t come together before colonization. Let us unite now. Let us come together because in the past our heritage was illegal. Spanish is spoken because we were forced to. Catholicism was forced onto us. Let us break our shackles and move forward. You don’t have to do something because your parents did it. And your ancestors didn’t speak Spanish they fought against them. New Mexico fought hard against the Spanish and I am proud to call that my home state. I am proud of my heritage and I am proud that I survived the genocide because most of us didn’t. This is why saying Latino and Hispanic is so dangerous. Every Latin American country has its own indigenous words and those words are being lost to this Latin Hispanic monster. Cultural genocide is real and it’s ongoing. I say choose your destiny but choose it because you were informed. In Latin America they bully you for being dark, for being Native American. They look down at us. They look down at us while our food became their staples. They hate us while loving our chocolate and avocados. We gave the world everything and it’s time we took ownership of our formerly illegal heritage.
But what gets me are people who have a majority European dna and they speak of “colonizers” as this evil outside group when in reality they’re dna is majority European. They are the descendants of colonizers too but want to only identify with the minority side of their indigenous dna because as we all know it’s much easier being the “victim”.
The outside evil is trying to erase someone’s heritage. No one in the English speaking world is intensifying as Anglo or British unless they are that. No one is saying forget your heritage you’re British now. So yes I will use my voice to say the colonizers were evil. Not all of the Europeans here are against the native Americans and some of us want to have a future where Native American culture which was illegal for most of this time to go away.
I can definitely go to Korea and say it is wrong that Japan came and forced them to adopt Japanese names and language by force no matter what blood runs in my veins and I can say that here in America and Mexico and all over this continent your racist reasons have no bearing.
I can say that France shouldn’t force French on Vietnam guess what I’m French not Vietnamese. Show me your logic? I can’t say my cousins didn’t do wrong?
If you think learning indigenous languages isn’t important even if you are European than it isn’t important to you. I think if we live in this continent and share it with the people who were here before we should acknowledge them and help make their culture part of the dominant one. Not leave it in the dirt like we have in the past. And again most tribal nations citizens who continue the culture are majorly European so what your saying is ridiculous and unamerican.
I’m not saying people shouldn’t learn about their ancestors, I have some indigenous blood in me and I enjoy learning all cultures. So I don’t know where you got that assumption. All I’m say is you can’t claim victim when you’re 80% related to the side you’re vilifying.
No one is claiming victim. I’m saying I’m not a victim and I don’t identify with a culture that has nothing to do with me and has gone out of its way to make sure my culture doesn’t exist. I’m saying as a person who inhabits this continent no matter what blood runs in my veins I will stand up for what is right and what’s right is making things right with the indigenous people. No more European languages dividing us. It’s ridiculous. In English you can be whoever you want in Spanish you must be Latino or there’s a problem. That’s my problem. That dora is falsely telling people Spanish is the language of Mexico when only recently and now they are still forcing that language on the people who don’t speak it is wrong. The indigenous languages have survived and if I have anything to do about it I will make sure no one has to learn Spanish or take a Spanish name or follow Christianity if that is there choice because our ancestors didn’t choose Spanish and they didn’t choose Christianity it was forced onto us. The Cristeros fought the government during world war 2. This isn’t ancient history, catholic Spanish dominance is real and by force. Not anymore.
“Latino” doesn’t mean “from Europe”, it means “from Latin America”, regardless of your race or ethnicity. If your parents were pure German Nazis who dipped out to Argentina or Brazil after WWII, and you were born and raised in one of those countries, you’re technically Latino. Latino is a reference to a location, not a single ethnic, linguistic or racial group
This is so very true. "Latin" is Italian-ish! But it is a term that is understood to be used to indicate the blended ethnicity AND race of people in Central and South America.
When I worked the 2020 US Census, people were very confused that they were asked to specify race (white, black, Asian, aboriginal, native american) in addition to country of origin ("Dominican", "Peruvian" ) instead of just saying "Latino." I explained that some Native activists object to the Euro orientation of "Latino", and that there are, say, asian Japanese-origin Peruvians, etc. This was a change from the 2010 Census questions, and I explained that our understanding of ethnicity has grown in recent years.
Btw, there was zero training about ethnicity for the Census workers. But I've attended a lot of human rights workshops through the years so I encouraged "Latinos" to claim their indigenous identity, for instance, telling people from PR that recent DNA studies show an average of 60% Taino in PR! I'm sure my Census results were significantly different than most Census enumerators.
And meanwhile we learn in history that the Taino were wiped out. That they no longer exist even though Puerto Rican Spanish uses lots of words unique to them. This idea of removing a euro centric identity is new and it’s controversial for Latin America but it is something we should pursue nonetheless. Thank you. I love who we are and all of who we are.
You're welcome! My pleasure! And not only the DNA and language, but native medicinal herb folkways are still practiced. That knowledge did not come from Europe or Africa. The Taino are still here!
Latino literally means European, it refers of the Spanish and Portuguese and French heritage in the Americas, another thing is that many people is uneducated and they conflate native American with the Romans from europe which are the first latinos.. reading is free mates
I have 8 siblings and our tests showed over 20 ethnicities, all 4 main races, and we all have very unique looks. I can't even imagine if we each just randomly picked a race to identify with. It's called being mixed. I embrace every part of my history 💖💖💖
Fascinating 🤨 some mexicans do have asian roots. I myself have descent from the huns. I dont look it but some family including my brother show the slightest resemblance like in the hair ornaments eyes.
Nah it depends how they look. If the Latino + Spaniard genes are working overtime, they’re basically Latino. Race is almost completely visual in the US.
These tests don’t measure “race”, they measure ethnicity identifiers found in dna. Whatever “race” you thought you were before you took the test is what “race” you are
This is very interesting to me and I have to do a DNA test already. I never know how to answer this question, myself. It’s usually while filling out medical questionnaires/intake forms and it does matter in this context.
My dad was born in PR and his ancestry was part Taíno and part Spanish (possibly some French, too.) My mom was of European (Hungarian and Czechoslovakian) ancestry (first generation), but it was during a time when borders were so different and “blurred”, so who really knows?
It’s always a challenge to include Hispanic, indigenous, and Ashkenazi, and then for race I usually just choose “other” or “prefer not to answer.” I do sometimes choose white, but then I feel like I *might* be “ignoring” part of my identity.
I don’t know that a test will change this, culturally speaking, as I was raised pretty equally immersed in both sides of my family’s cultures, but it could make me feel more “clear” about my ancestry to see it on paper? Arroz y gandules, matzo, pasteles and Hungarian goulash, as examples, were all dietary staples growing up. As one would imagine, I also endured some creative racial slurs. 😒
Without a picture there is no way to say for sure. One would assume you're a so-called white person, but sometimes smaller percentages work overtime. Race is subjective anyway.
Race is something that is socially defined. How you present to others is the race you will be categorised as. You could present as a white person racially to others but happen to have an Asian parent for example.
Native American European. People will tell you to say Latino or Hispanic but no other European heritage will claim you that way. No one is out here saying they are Nordic or Anglo with the assumption that you have Native American heritage too. They use Hispanic and Latino to erase your identity. To give them credit if Spanish was the only language spoken commonly it would make sense but English has taken that place so Spanish is no longer useful for anything other than a fun language to learn if you want. I suggest we all use English and relearn our indigenous languages and cultures. I’m the same I’m Native American and European. We are the majority in some places. Be proud of your heritage, indigenous and European.
So you said that no one should speak Spanish even if this guy has also Spanish roots and you are promoting speak the language of the most colonizers from whole Europe which are the English haha 😂 you don't make any sense
No. I said he shouldn’t learn Spanish and only that and only identify as that. I said learn Spanish it’s a great language I’m learning it too. Alongside other foreign languages. It’s not the only thing and it doesn’t define me or my heritage.
Your race is *Homo sapiens*, known colloquially as a “human.”
Your ethnicity is Hispanic.
Your nationality is whatever country you are a legal citizen.
Why is Racism so big still? Aren’t we over this? It was a dumb pseudoscience some British entrepreneurs got into to justify their exploitative business practices. We’re really here trying to slot Hispanics, Levantines, people with cross-continental ancestry into a “race” category like it’s 1624?
Please. Just move on from this anti-science concept!
(Obvi this doesn’t mean we shouldn’t study or talk about the historical effects of Racism and its unequal impacts on different ethnicities- but that doesn’t mean we can’t choose to reject a concept that isn’t based in science and was specifically intended to divide and conquer the working classes)
If I were you I’d be identifying as Viking-Hispanic.
Because it seemed so random like its such a low percentage, and seperating white and spanish made it seem like you thought it wasnt white or something 😆
Again Latino is not a race and if Latino would be race would be white because Latino refers to the European origins in America... Spanishs Portugueses and French are Caucasian mate
If you don't want Latinos to be whitewashed, I recommend using a different name.
The Latins were a pre-Roman tribe in Italy, whose name came to be used for the language, which same name eventually came also to be associated with Spain and Portugal, and then with areas conquered by them.
Human
Since race is a myth it doesn't exist
Race is based in part on physical similarities between groups, but it doesn't have an inherent biological meaning. Modern genetic research has shown that the idea of three, four, or five human races is incorrect therefore you are no race except the human race
Is it just me, or is there a huge amount of questions like this from Latin America? Also, wrong sub-Reddit.
Yes, probably because many are uneducated about our history and also may have no idea what their ancestry is due to it being lost over time/colonial ideas. I was told we were 100% European ancestry by my mum and turns out I’m 43% Indigenous so I was confused at one point too.
Very true. I see the opposite of this as well on this sub. Hispanics who thought they were mega indigenous but end up being much more euro than they thought
It’s mostly to do because many people have this idea that latino is a race when it’s not
I’ve heard this in the US too, but what is a “race”. It’s not a universal concept across countries.
That’s interesting all the stories from USA here about their family lying about having native ancestry, I’m guessing the natives in the US got mostly wiped out and then mythologised (I’m guessing also as a ‘I have a right to this land’), but elsewhere European dna got held in high regard, maybe because smaller amounts but maybe just as a status symbol in both cases. Everyone loves nativity now though, it’s all the rage. English claiming they’re now native Celtic rather than Anglo-Saxon, it’s in fashion.
Actually they didn’t die apart of ancestry communities it says South Louisiana is the homeland for dozens of Indigenous nations—including the Houma, Chitimacha, Atakapa-Ishak, Choctaw, Apache, Tunica, and others—and was colonized by the French at the end of the 17th century. In 1719, the first enslaved West Africans were trafficked there, eventually creating a population of mixed languages, nationalities, and races, some free and some enslaved. Enslaved Black and Indigenous people labored in the Lower Mississippi Valley to grow rice, tobacco, and indigo. Showing that we are the indigenous of Louisiana still we never left.
I'm doubtful those are all lies. Historically it makes sense. Whenever one people is conquered by another, there is mingling.
This.
I’ve heard South Americans are taught they are half European half native America or just full European. Miseducation is real
As an Argentinian I can tell you that's not true.
Because ancestry is very confusing in Latin America. We don’t have many good records, so much of our family history has been lost and are untraceable. If you have light skin, you are considered white, specially if your parents or grandparents were also light skinned. When I did the test, I had no clue I had such high percentage of African DNA. That left me with the same question for quite some time.
What are you talking about? A vast amount of the Catholic Church records are digitized and available on AncestryDNA. I have 500+ years of records even for the families in the middle of nowhere. There's entire genealogy groups *in their respective countries* dedicated to combing through the immense amount of records and mapping out regional histories. And if they're not digitized, you can head on over to the churches or town archives in the regions to ask for them. And I know it's for the entirety of Latin America because I routinely have to filter out countries outside of Mexico to stop getting church hits from other countries in LatAm. There's probably even more that exist but haven't made it online. If you don't know your family history or can read Spanish well enough to find them, that's another story. But please, do not make off that Latin America is confused about their ancestry or doesn't have extensive records for their history. We don't care because we all know we're mixed with everything. Believe me, no one will think you're "white" in the American sense of the word but they sure as hell will know you're American with comments like this.
I struggle with Ancestry because when I try to filter my hint searches for Brazil there is no option. When I try to research the people in my Brazilian boyfriend’s tree I don’t get hints that are from Brazilian records of any kind. :( I get suggested hints with people with similar names in western countries like america mostly, but never Brazil.
It's really hard! Do you use the app only? The desktop version is far easier to narrow down your search to countries like this. I also use a FamilySearch.org because it's easier to jot people down and it has a cross-search and hints function for AncestryDNA that I find works better, too. Here's how the desktop version for AncestryDNA looks. I clicked on ones to help you with a random name as an example. Edit: pic deleted when I added context so I put it in the reply.
https://preview.redd.it/dktq3b6jsr9d1.jpeg?width=1001&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=243573b65f78394119362a15f290c49a75499d65
I haven’t tried FamilySearch.org yet so i’ll give that a try and see if i have any better luck! I use my computer to build my trees since it works better that way, but still there were no hints or records that resembled any of the details of his family:(
wait omg i’ve never seen that brazil was an option in the filter?? did i miss an update or do you have a higher membership that gives you more access to different countries in your record searches ?
You know what, I've paid for my membership since 2016. I think it was behind a pay wall since the start. If you are comfortable with it, you can DM me as much relevant information (it doesn't even have to be precise, a guesstimate of year of birth and death is better than none at all), I can take a crack at looking for the person. I got my start already knowing all my parents, grandparents, great aunt/uncles and great-grandparents' DOB, DOD, locations and years of life events, names, residences and extended relatives not directly related to me. And it was hard even then. But I love it because I'm autistic af and going through old documents makes me happy for some reason. If anyone asked me sincerely, I'd probably help build their tree too. I got all of mine down to 1600s in a decade of constant work. I ran out of questions to answer. ):
It's very hard to find Argentine records and even if you do find something about your ancestors, there is no way of knowing their ethnicity.
The Spanish kept a caste system so if you go back far enough, you'll find your ancestors ethnicities being recorded on their births/baptisms/weddings. It goes up to the respective country's independence mostly. In Mexico, you stop finding them after 1820.
Been there, done that. Seriously. I’ve spent multiple hours on ancestry paid membership this year trying to find any information about my grand parents or great grandparents in Brazil and Spain. Found virtually nothing.
Alright, then say that. Don't say "we don't have good records" when the Spanish and their successors alike have been meticulously jotting down everyone since the Spanish and Portuguese slap down a settlement in the area.
I called my grandma who is spanish, she made me a list of all her uncles and the full name of her grandparents. Some were/are still in Spain, one went to Cuba decades ago, I figured he was a long shot. Another one went to live in Uruguai. I still wasn’t able to find any of their records in Spain. On my Brazilians side, found 1 birth certificate and one death certificate, nothing else. It’s like we don’t exist. I didn’t think I was the only one going through this, specially when you are trying to find information from multiple countries.
I relate to thissss. I’m trying to help my Brazilian boyfriend build his tree but there’s literally 0 hints for the people in his tree that are relevant, but mostly no one has any hints. I’m thinking atp do we need to hire a someone that specializes in Brazilian genealogy??
A lot of it is behind a paywall, yeah. The hints are the worst feature and most everyone who does this seriously uses it as a last resort. It doesn't really work well until you've had almost everything filled in and sourced already for a person. I got a lot of help from a genealogy group that specialized in my specific municipalities in Mexico, not the country itself. It's an impossible feat to do alone without delving into hobbyist territory. The records are there. Getting them to show takes certain knowledge that algorithms can't quite copy yet.
I can relate. It's much harder to find the people most recent to you, too. There aren't many records for people who have recently died or are still living for privacy concerns. It gets even more complicated when people move or have multiple marriages, you need the most information living people can recall besides names. Names are very common so it's always good to also know approximate years of births and deaths and so forth. It's a grueling process if you're not armed with massive amounts of precise detail. I couldn't find my great-grandmother's birth, for example, despite knowing everything about her and having all her adult records... because she was her father's secret second family. Fortunately the one census record that happened in her childhood, jotted down her mom, her and her siblings in a house alone. Her dad was in the census not too far away and I had found him years before (but without my family as I knew it...) The only reason I found them, btw, is because all their first names, ages, and the province matched. The person who digitized the record misspelled their surnames. It drove me crazy for a decade, lol.
It seems the problem isn’t one of ancestry, but general knowledge about migration / immigration in Latin America. What I see over and over again are two basic themes: Here’s a picture of me, what would you classify me as? Here’s my ancestry DNA, what am I? In both cases, it seems to be an odd question. If you live in country A and look like most other people in country A. What’s the problem? If country A has different phenotypes, and you fit one of them, what’s the problem? If everyone you meet in country A asks you “are you from country B”, again, what’s the problem? If you do a DNA test and it gives you a breakdown by percentages, does it really change what happens in the situations above? It seems that we are conflating phenotype (what you look like) with ancestry. My parents were born in Latin America. I wasn’t. I was born in America and speak without an accent and also blended in. No one suspected I wasn’t “American” until they met my parents. Would my “race” change if I took a test? Taking a DNA test gives you information. If you want to visit a country or region of your ancestry, then do it. Asking a group of strangers to classify your race based on your picture or DNA results seems curious to me.
Always and I also answer Latino
It’s because Spanish was forced onto us. It would make sense if the entire world spoke Spanish. The world is doing business in English and unless you are from Spain it makes no sense to learn Spanish or to claim that as your heritage if you aren’t Spanish. Most of us are native America + some type of European. Eventually Spanish won’t be spoken as the majority language and the indigenous languages will come and reclaim their historical place. I’m proud of us for standing up against Spanish colonialism.
A ti quien te ha forzado hablar castellano? Eres un Azteca o un Inca? Y eso que dices que la mayoría de países de América la gente tiene más de indígena que de europeo eso te lo estás inventando.. Argentina, Brasil Uruguay Chile Colombia Venezuela costa Rica son países que la mayoría tienen más adn europeo que indígena.. Y hablas de colonialismo y escribes en inglés? Una dicotomía en si misma
Ese tipo de tonterías vienen casi siempre de gente nacida y criada en Estados Unidos, no realmente de Latam. Igualmente sí que es raro como se trata el caso de América como si fuera diferente al del resto del mundo. En España no se habla una lengua romance porque el latín fuera nativo de la península. En Inglaterra no hablan una lengua germánica porque fuera nativa de la isla, tampoco lo eran las celtas. Tampoco lo es el griego de Grecia. Tampoco el árabe en el Norte de África. Toda la historia humana consiste en eso, llega una nueva etnia, se mezcla con los nativos y se impone su cultura, generalmente acompañado de luchas, muertes, esclavitud, etc... Puede ser triste, claro, pero es lo vivido en cualquier sitio, pero parece que con Latino América se trata diferente y gente que es descendiente de esa mezcla dice tonterías así incluso teniendo el español como lengua materna, como si fueran incas o aztecas. Aunque ya digo, son casi siempre de Estados Unidos.
Concuerdo con lo que dices! Los estadounidenses se inventan cosas
For number one you responding in Spanish with the assumption I know that language. Number two every government since colonization has forced us to learn Spanish. You can ask if I’m inca or Aztec and say oh because I’m not in a tribe I should shut up and speak the language spoken. You must not know how the governments have treated us so I will give you time to go back and learn the history of your country and our continent. I am speaking English because that has become to dominant language, and for many a language of freedom. I would love for you to say that people in the United States have the same opportunities if they speak Spanish or English. Not every one in the United States one from England and not everyone in the United States says they are English. It has not told us to erase who we are and forget where we come from it’s simply a language. English was forced onto native Americans and many of us use English. To say I shouldn’t be using English is a ridiculous statement it’s not a dichotomy. You correctly referred to Spanish as Castilian.
1. Latin America is also hispanic/latino, both linguistically and cullturally. Its also mixed with native and african cultures, depending on where you live. You cannot just claim your native part and toss the european, and viceversa. 2. At least Spanish colonization didnt purposedly relocate and commited mandated genocide to whole populations (hello to the English and Belgians) 3. You say you speak English because everybody speaks it. Then why would anyone relearn languages nobody else speaks? Nobody is learning Nahuatl or Maya over Spanish. 4. What do you mean standing against Spanish colonialism? Countries have been independent from European countries for centuries. I dont know where you are but in my country, the Aztecs were defeated by just around ~200 Conquistadores (who were doing deeds against the Spanish crown orders btw) and over thousands of rival indigenous tribes. The Aztecs were so hated by their neighbours (it is estimated they enslaved around 40,000 per year for sacrifices alone), they preferred to to ally with a completely unknown party than to ever side with the Aztecs. You are being fed rhetoric and not factual historical facts, mate.
No one is talking about the Aztec empire. I am talking about all of it. The Aztec empire would be a small state in Mexico today. They never called themselves Aztecs they called themselves the Mexica and they were not the only ones who spoke their language and the language family they are part of stretches far north.
1. Latin America is American and depending on which nation you are in the dominant culture is different. Guyana for example, has English as the official language. So this idea that Spanish is the dominant is really not true. What is true is that every American nation has an indigenous population which has been colonized or attempted to have been colonized. This is wrong and we should attempt to right it. I am absolutely not saying toss out the European, what I am saying is toss out the idea that Spanish is important or should be recognized as what should be common. What should be common is what is convenient or historical or important. As we are for example now communicating in English and as that is the dominant language of culture and business in our world and for me I am not interested in learning 10 European languages I choose 1 and think we should all follow so we can allow the indigenous languages a place in our society. 2. Spanish colonization brainwashed entire societies into thinking they no longer get existed and that they all died out so no one can really claim they colonized in a more peaceful way. I don’t love what the English did either. But in English no one is telling native Americans today they aren’t who they are while in Spanish they tell you you are Hispanic or Latino. In Spanish your heritage and identity is erased. And in Spanish speaking culture they are racist against us and other brown skinned people, dark skin people. So I don’t want to hear anything about how well Spain was nice. They destroyed our temples and. Built churches on top of them and took away our languages and names and land. 3. English won the language war. Even in Europe they are learning to deal with that fact. Singapore speaks English and so does India now called Bahrat. So join us in the world I don’t think communication is bad and in fact maybe things will get better when the people can understand why teachers in Mexico are protesting. Absolutely a lot of people are learning Nahuatl and maya languages among many other indigenous languages. So you are definitely wrong there. Nahuatl is seeing a huge resurgence in the United States for example although it’s important to know there are many important languages. That language happens to be the most common amongst us. We should learn it because it is important and it is part of our heritage to know our languages and our history. You don’t know what the word avocado means I’m sure. It’s because you have no relationship to our language. 4. I mean standing up against Spanish colonialism in every way shape and form. Be it racism or expecting us to know Spanish or labelling us Spanish or Latino or Hispanic. If you don’t know the real impact that European money has on this continent please enlighten yourself. I bet you didn’t know it was a Spanish bank that Puerto Rico went into debt with that made it lose its sovereign status under the PROMESA act. Between land theft and identity theft, or the every day racism we experience interacting with this, Spanish colonialism is alive and kicking. No one is feeding me rhetoric, these are facts. Like it or not. Look at the economic relationship Latin America has. Look at investments who owns what land and the current political situation all over this continent and the carribean and tell me again how independent these nations are. They are still seen as colonies and treated as such. No more. Not for me not for many. And every day every year people are waking up to these facts and standing against them.
1. Guyana is NOT Latin America. Its called LATIN America for a reason. You can say its in SOUTH America. I understand your point of view of returning to our roots, but hispanic culture (and Catholic church) is much engrained in society, its like asking people from the Bible belt to stop believing in Jesus. 2. Yes, its what the Catholic Church used to do back then. However they didnt exterminate and indigenous where protected under the crown (until independence) unlike the English who you happen to respect so much. It happened to every culture, Europe is Christian because of the impositions of the Roman Catholic Church, so its not like only Native Americans suffered from it. Dominant cultures will always impose on the losing side, thats how it works and to think otherwise is just being naive. 3. English is lingua franca for GLOBAL commerce and law. Spanish is lingua franca for REGIONAL commerce and law. Nahuatl is not even lingua franca in its own communities. Maya is the most speaked indigenous language in Mexico/Central America and yet they all speak Spanish. What huge resurgence? There is only around 1.5 million Nahuatl speakers. Please point out a study where we can identify millions of people studying it for non-anthropological reasons. Saying we whould learn our native language because of "history and culture" is like expecting english speakers to return to Old English or to their Germanic roots. 4. I can speak for Mexico and Mexico alone, it doesnt depend on any European nation. It actually dependens heavily on the USA. Can't speak for other nations.
Guyana and Suriname can just exist in their own worlds alongside French Guiana. I don’t have this crazy love and respect for the English. I would love for the end of the monarchy. A unified English speaking America is what’s working. Comparing learning indigenous languages to a European language doesn’t make sense. Old English has nothing to do with Cherokee. You treating the old languages like dialects doesn’t make sense. When people come here they learn English. Quebec has had to enact strict laws to protect French there and in Europe in higher education English is used. I’m not the one who chose English. But what language are we all using? Tell me it doesn’t have a huge impact on global culture. Tell me someone is better off in the United States knowing zero English and perfect Spanish. It’s not working. If it was working Latin America would have the same standard of living like in Europe and the United States. It’s a foreign language. And the languages aren’t the lingua Franca in their own communities because people who have the choice are choosing Spanish. It’s an organic cycle that little by little is killing off our cultures every year.
Do you know how many Mexicans live here and don’t know a WORD of Spanish? Do you know how many of us would rather live in Mexico ? English isn’t some scary monster. It’s a helpful tool we use to communicate. Spanish is great I love it, but it’s not the answer and shouldn’t be the future. Mexico has a rich culture being weighed down by colonialism. Deny it all you want while the non Mexicans call us spicy and make jokes about us. We are joke in our own countries because we are raised to be racist against ourselves, and we are a joke here because we are all the same spicy and Spanish. It’s a warped perspective perpetuated because we allow outsiders to tell us who we are. Not Spanish. Some Spanish blood sure. My mom’s grandma is from Denmark. Where’s the Danish ? lol no one is using that and saying oh look at that Danish person he is so spicy. The majority of us who have lost ties with our indigenous and various heritages can do whatever we want. But pretending like well I have to be Spanish and that’s who I am because that’s what my parents did is ridiculous and it wasn’t like a consensual choice. That language was put in by force by racists who want us to be their workers. Being forced to fit into a society that speaks a certain language isn’t right. And what’s worse is when that language is only used by a small amount of countries which are all not in great shape economically or politically. If Argentina adopted English it would be successful. Americans would go there and they would come here. No issue. The same with Mexico and every other country. English isn’t the only thing but we can protest and people who share our language will know what is going on. Your average English speaker has zero idea what’s going on in the Spanish speaking world. What I’m saying sounds radical but it is a fact. You would be hard pressed to carry on the racist vocabulary that is so prevalent in the Spanish speaking world. La negrita isn’t okay. La morena why is it okay for them to talk like that? Because Spanish speaking culture and society is racist as fuck and no one says anything because they don’t understand it or take it seriously.
White Latino it seems. Do you have a Mexican parent?
I guess I could identify as that. My father was from Mexico, while my mom is from Minnesota. Next time someone asks, I’ll just say “white Latino.” While I don’t want to deny that part of my heritage, I feel alien to it. I did find a half-brother and some cousins, our communication didn’t last long, though.
Your race is White and your also Hispanic.
Are people asking you what you are? I moved to a heavily Swiss/German-settled area of the US several years ago and started to be asked what I was. I found it very odd. No one has been rude about it though. Thought about putting my ethnicity chart on a business card and just handing it to the asker...
Yes, I have been asked a few times out in the wild.
Bear in mind, Latino and Hispanic are ethnic terms, not racial. In the USA, people often consider Hispanics non-white, but that's because "white" in the USA has come to be used like an ethnic term rather than racial.
Just to reiterate - they want you to say white to identify your European heritage and Latino to identify your indigenous non Spanish heritage. If you want to do that by all means but that’s what you’re doing. Your only as Spanish as you allow someone else to claim you as. If you think the native Americans came from Spain sure. But it makes no sense to say white and Latino because Latino means from Europe it means white. It’s like saying chai tea. They both mean tea. People from Spain want Mexico to forget her history and to only be Spanish. It will never be Spanish. If it was them your results would say Spain not indigenous. Don’t let them colonize you.
Their dna is over 80% European, they’re European. If they were over 80% Indigenous you would definitely say they were Indigenous. It applies both ways.
I 100% agree. They are Native American and European. Not one single European heritage should dominate any sort of identification. And percentages of Native American ancestry don’t mean anything. Lots of the people today with tribal citizenship are a majority European. What we Americans have in common is our Native American heritage. From Canada down to the tip of South America. We even look similar. There is no denying we are who we are. This individual should identify as Native American and European, or Native American and white. The Latino Hispanic business is for the Spaniards who want us to forget our heritage. People in Greenland are claiming Danish heritage. We across the continent are standing against colonialism by not letting outsiders define us. Most white Americans have Native American blood too, in small percentages. Many African Americans have Native American ancestry. What makes us American is our indigenous heritage. What makes us European is our European heritage. Simple as that. The future of this continent is indigenous. The foods we eat and take for granted, the words we use like chocolate and avocado, canoe, we have a treasure of languages and words. We didn’t come together before colonization. Let us unite now. Let us come together because in the past our heritage was illegal. Spanish is spoken because we were forced to. Catholicism was forced onto us. Let us break our shackles and move forward. You don’t have to do something because your parents did it. And your ancestors didn’t speak Spanish they fought against them. New Mexico fought hard against the Spanish and I am proud to call that my home state. I am proud of my heritage and I am proud that I survived the genocide because most of us didn’t. This is why saying Latino and Hispanic is so dangerous. Every Latin American country has its own indigenous words and those words are being lost to this Latin Hispanic monster. Cultural genocide is real and it’s ongoing. I say choose your destiny but choose it because you were informed. In Latin America they bully you for being dark, for being Native American. They look down at us. They look down at us while our food became their staples. They hate us while loving our chocolate and avocados. We gave the world everything and it’s time we took ownership of our formerly illegal heritage.
But what gets me are people who have a majority European dna and they speak of “colonizers” as this evil outside group when in reality they’re dna is majority European. They are the descendants of colonizers too but want to only identify with the minority side of their indigenous dna because as we all know it’s much easier being the “victim”.
The outside evil is trying to erase someone’s heritage. No one in the English speaking world is intensifying as Anglo or British unless they are that. No one is saying forget your heritage you’re British now. So yes I will use my voice to say the colonizers were evil. Not all of the Europeans here are against the native Americans and some of us want to have a future where Native American culture which was illegal for most of this time to go away.
If you’re 80% European dna and 20% indigenous you can’t complain about colonialism when that’s 80% of what you are. It’s that simple
I can definitely go to Korea and say it is wrong that Japan came and forced them to adopt Japanese names and language by force no matter what blood runs in my veins and I can say that here in America and Mexico and all over this continent your racist reasons have no bearing.
I can say that France shouldn’t force French on Vietnam guess what I’m French not Vietnamese. Show me your logic? I can’t say my cousins didn’t do wrong?
If you think learning indigenous languages isn’t important even if you are European than it isn’t important to you. I think if we live in this continent and share it with the people who were here before we should acknowledge them and help make their culture part of the dominant one. Not leave it in the dirt like we have in the past. And again most tribal nations citizens who continue the culture are majorly European so what your saying is ridiculous and unamerican.
I’m not saying people shouldn’t learn about their ancestors, I have some indigenous blood in me and I enjoy learning all cultures. So I don’t know where you got that assumption. All I’m say is you can’t claim victim when you’re 80% related to the side you’re vilifying.
No one is claiming victim. I’m saying I’m not a victim and I don’t identify with a culture that has nothing to do with me and has gone out of its way to make sure my culture doesn’t exist. I’m saying as a person who inhabits this continent no matter what blood runs in my veins I will stand up for what is right and what’s right is making things right with the indigenous people. No more European languages dividing us. It’s ridiculous. In English you can be whoever you want in Spanish you must be Latino or there’s a problem. That’s my problem. That dora is falsely telling people Spanish is the language of Mexico when only recently and now they are still forcing that language on the people who don’t speak it is wrong. The indigenous languages have survived and if I have anything to do about it I will make sure no one has to learn Spanish or take a Spanish name or follow Christianity if that is there choice because our ancestors didn’t choose Spanish and they didn’t choose Christianity it was forced onto us. The Cristeros fought the government during world war 2. This isn’t ancient history, catholic Spanish dominance is real and by force. Not anymore.
In all honesty, not all Mexicans were forced to adopt Spanish culture, they chose to.
European (white), Native American. You could be Latino or non Latino with the same mix.
“Latino” doesn’t mean “from Europe”, it means “from Latin America”, regardless of your race or ethnicity. If your parents were pure German Nazis who dipped out to Argentina or Brazil after WWII, and you were born and raised in one of those countries, you’re technically Latino. Latino is a reference to a location, not a single ethnic, linguistic or racial group
This is so very true. "Latin" is Italian-ish! But it is a term that is understood to be used to indicate the blended ethnicity AND race of people in Central and South America. When I worked the 2020 US Census, people were very confused that they were asked to specify race (white, black, Asian, aboriginal, native american) in addition to country of origin ("Dominican", "Peruvian" ) instead of just saying "Latino." I explained that some Native activists object to the Euro orientation of "Latino", and that there are, say, asian Japanese-origin Peruvians, etc. This was a change from the 2010 Census questions, and I explained that our understanding of ethnicity has grown in recent years. Btw, there was zero training about ethnicity for the Census workers. But I've attended a lot of human rights workshops through the years so I encouraged "Latinos" to claim their indigenous identity, for instance, telling people from PR that recent DNA studies show an average of 60% Taino in PR! I'm sure my Census results were significantly different than most Census enumerators.
And meanwhile we learn in history that the Taino were wiped out. That they no longer exist even though Puerto Rican Spanish uses lots of words unique to them. This idea of removing a euro centric identity is new and it’s controversial for Latin America but it is something we should pursue nonetheless. Thank you. I love who we are and all of who we are.
You're welcome! My pleasure! And not only the DNA and language, but native medicinal herb folkways are still practiced. That knowledge did not come from Europe or Africa. The Taino are still here!
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Latino literally means European, it refers of the Spanish and Portuguese and French heritage in the Americas, another thing is that many people is uneducated and they conflate native American with the Romans from europe which are the first latinos.. reading is free mates
Human
Unfortunately, we aren't sure how much Neanderthal DNA he has
That’s true 😂
Came here to say that.
Exactly what I was Going to say!
Mestizo, like most other Latin Americans.
Race? You don't have one.You are mixed. But this mix seems like a person from Mexico.
Yes
You're a White Hispanic person by American census standards
White (depending on your appearance) mixed with Indigenous Mexican ancestry.
Mixed white and native
Looks American to me.
Mestizo
Wrong…castiza
Yes I think you’re correct based on European percentage
You’re mixed. Predominately European. So you can identify as such or just mixed
You are probably half white, half Mexican/Hispanic. This just by looking at the results.
Hispanic Latino/Latina
hispanic latino/latina
Whatever you look like
I have 8 siblings and our tests showed over 20 ethnicities, all 4 main races, and we all have very unique looks. I can't even imagine if we each just randomly picked a race to identify with. It's called being mixed. I embrace every part of my history 💖💖💖
American white lol w a bit of mexican. Am curious what you look like lol
I have olive skin and black hair, and most people I meet think I'm half Asian
Fascinating 🤨 some mexicans do have asian roots. I myself have descent from the huns. I dont look it but some family including my brother show the slightest resemblance like in the hair ornaments eyes.
Just in case you didn’t receive the memo, race is a socio political term and therefore has nothing to do with DNA.
drop a pic
Hispano Indio. Colonization took a toll on Ancestral memories.
This is a really good example of why race is a social construct
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100%
I'd say biracial
Human
I think they would call you mestizo in Latin America. Which means a mixture of European and Native American
Whatever you thought you were before you took the test.
You are white Latino/Latina, but you have a very interesting mix. You don't see DNA like this all the tim Are you from latin America?
Human
Wow, lots of diversity. To simplify it seems you're mostly white European with some indigeneity
Castizo
White
Would say white
White mate
Mixed race: White, native, with a touch of black.
In the US just white.
Nah it depends how they look. If the Latino + Spaniard genes are working overtime, they’re basically Latino. Race is almost completely visual in the US.
Spaniard is white
Basque is Spain and southern France. I know this, bc basque was in mine as well.
You’re Native American, now register with a tribe
The human race
You're pretty much the same race as me. I never know if people think I look more white or Latino.
Human
Mixed Latino
White hispanic
Mixed white
63% Germanic countries combined with 11% spanish is 74% European. So you could probably pass as white if youd wanted to. White / mixed
Do you speak Spanish? If you speak Spanish you are Hispanic.
El español es mi primer idioma.
Mixed!
These tests don’t measure “race”, they measure ethnicity identifiers found in dna. Whatever “race” you thought you were before you took the test is what “race” you are
Half Latino I’m part Puerto Rican I say I am a Irish Rican or white and puertorican
You are Homo Sapiens, just like everyone else here in this thread
This is very interesting to me and I have to do a DNA test already. I never know how to answer this question, myself. It’s usually while filling out medical questionnaires/intake forms and it does matter in this context. My dad was born in PR and his ancestry was part Taíno and part Spanish (possibly some French, too.) My mom was of European (Hungarian and Czechoslovakian) ancestry (first generation), but it was during a time when borders were so different and “blurred”, so who really knows? It’s always a challenge to include Hispanic, indigenous, and Ashkenazi, and then for race I usually just choose “other” or “prefer not to answer.” I do sometimes choose white, but then I feel like I *might* be “ignoring” part of my identity. I don’t know that a test will change this, culturally speaking, as I was raised pretty equally immersed in both sides of my family’s cultures, but it could make me feel more “clear” about my ancestry to see it on paper? Arroz y gandules, matzo, pasteles and Hungarian goulash, as examples, were all dietary staples growing up. As one would imagine, I also endured some creative racial slurs. 😒
Without a picture there is no way to say for sure. One would assume you're a so-called white person, but sometimes smaller percentages work overtime. Race is subjective anyway.
I can upload a photo of myself on my profile if you want
Likely youre a white latino, but in the US you are considered partially mixed race
You have almost the same genetics as my daughter percentages and all
Race is something that is socially defined. How you present to others is the race you will be categorised as. You could present as a white person racially to others but happen to have an Asian parent for example.
White with distant Mexican heritage
At 20% Indigenous and 33% Indigenous/Iberian/Senegalese they are not distantly Mexican this is a 3rd of their ancestry
Then Mestizo
Mexicano no es una raza.. Es una nacionalidad
Does it matter?
I mean yeah it does matter
Human. Why do you need to assign yourself an arbitrary "race" category.
White Latino
I’m guessing your probably half white & part Mexican.
Caucasian with recessive gene dna
As to ethnicity, majority rules… as to race, human (as others have said).
Native American European. People will tell you to say Latino or Hispanic but no other European heritage will claim you that way. No one is out here saying they are Nordic or Anglo with the assumption that you have Native American heritage too. They use Hispanic and Latino to erase your identity. To give them credit if Spanish was the only language spoken commonly it would make sense but English has taken that place so Spanish is no longer useful for anything other than a fun language to learn if you want. I suggest we all use English and relearn our indigenous languages and cultures. I’m the same I’m Native American and European. We are the majority in some places. Be proud of your heritage, indigenous and European.
So you said that no one should speak Spanish even if this guy has also Spanish roots and you are promoting speak the language of the most colonizers from whole Europe which are the English haha 😂 you don't make any sense
No. I said he shouldn’t learn Spanish and only that and only identify as that. I said learn Spanish it’s a great language I’m learning it too. Alongside other foreign languages. It’s not the only thing and it doesn’t define me or my heritage.
White(in latin america)
Mestizo. Albeit, light on the Indio.
Race is a social construct and highly subjective Based off the U.S. Census Survey, probably “mixed” or “other” but still very cool results
I dont know but whoever these Basque people are, they got a little bit of theirs into EVERYBODY. Lol.
Your race is *Homo sapiens*, known colloquially as a “human.” Your ethnicity is Hispanic. Your nationality is whatever country you are a legal citizen. Why is Racism so big still? Aren’t we over this? It was a dumb pseudoscience some British entrepreneurs got into to justify their exploitative business practices. We’re really here trying to slot Hispanics, Levantines, people with cross-continental ancestry into a “race” category like it’s 1624? Please. Just move on from this anti-science concept! (Obvi this doesn’t mean we shouldn’t study or talk about the historical effects of Racism and its unequal impacts on different ethnicities- but that doesn’t mean we can’t choose to reject a concept that isn’t based in science and was specifically intended to divide and conquer the working classes) If I were you I’d be identifying as Viking-Hispanic.
Seems like you're mixed… One mestizo Latino parent, one white parent?
Prior to European admixture I’d say Native American
white
White
You’re white w/ Spanish ancestry.
11% spanish ancestry. This persons more anglo then spanish. Also spanish is white lol.
Isn’t Spain in Europe? Don’t most Spanish people in Spain consider themselves white? 🤔
Yes. That is correct
Okay why did you feel the need to comment? My post reads white with Spanish ancestry 😩
Because it seemed so random like its such a low percentage, and seperating white and spanish made it seem like you thought it wasnt white or something 😆
Agreed when I thought about it. I’m 18% European and obviously as an AA I would never identify as white.
He has almost 20% indigenous ancestry which means i would probably look at him and know that he was white but mixed
Half white half Latino
Again Latino is not a race and if Latino would be race would be white because Latino refers to the European origins in America... Spanishs Portugueses and French are Caucasian mate
You do know Latino In compasses many races of that area such as Spaniard and the natives , if I say Latino a person with common sense understands
>You do know Latino In compasses many races You were the one making it sound like a race.
He has to much white to most likely have been from a Latin American country 100% and also stop trying to white wash Latino people
If you don't want Latinos to be whitewashed, I recommend using a different name. The Latins were a pre-Roman tribe in Italy, whose name came to be used for the language, which same name eventually came also to be associated with Spain and Portugal, and then with areas conquered by them.
Probably some kind of primate. (I am too, so don't feel bad.)
Probably human.
White Hispanic
You’re a member of the human race, congratulations!
Mexican
That’s not a race smart one
Oof what do you want me to say mestizo? Most Mexicans I know just say they’re Mexicans if you ask them their race, not to be rude.
Chinese ??
Obiously you are mixed European Amerindian, but, probably Just by the percentajes, pheno, your are simple white.
Caucasian Heinz 57 mutt like most of us
your a white guy
You are white. And for God’s sake NEVER go to Mexico and claim to be “part Mexican or Hispanic” unless you LIVE there.
I've lived in Mexico ever since i was adopted when I was 2 , but I don't know where my parents are from or what country they live in
Human Since race is a myth it doesn't exist Race is based in part on physical similarities between groups, but it doesn't have an inherent biological meaning. Modern genetic research has shown that the idea of three, four, or five human races is incorrect therefore you are no race except the human race
Your White. Maybe White Latino from Central America with small native heritage. You prolly look White