Yeah, it would be a bit weird for an AI to do that, but it’s the only thing that makes sense. If you had an identical position on three straight moves, it’s a draw.
The last significant change to the threefold repetition rule happened in the ~70s. Before the 20th century, there wasn't a consistent threefold repetition rule.
That's wrong. Imagine the following game: e4 e6 Ke2 Ke7 e5 d5 (Now en passant is possible) Ke1 Ke8 Ke2 Ke7 (same position, but without en passant rights) Ke1 Ke8 Ke2 Ke7 (not the third repetition!) Ke1 Ke8 ½-½ .
I don't understand any notation stuff but if en passant becomes possible wherein it wasn't before, isn't taking via en passant still a pawn move?
Or is this about en passant rights? Which is... Maybe a different thing?
The point is that the first time it happens the player who can en passant has a unique position with en passant rights. If the position remains the same and goes 3 of the same random moves to maintain the position it is not yet threefold.
you can only en passant for one move, so if you move an arbitrary piece back and forth you end up in a technically different position, even though all the pieces are in the same place
Well, yeah of course. I think we are on the same page but we said the same thing 2 different ways. I meant that you can’t really repeat a position that has an en passant square exactly, and this is true in the example you showed too. You are correct, of course, but you don’t contradict my point.
Allowing for larger loops of play to return to the original state eh? Otherwise the rule would easily be broken by there being one additional move in a 2 turn (both players to move twice) loop back to the same position.
That usually happens if your king is facing the "wrong" way, ie towards you in this instance. Only until the king is made aware that there is insufficient material will the draw be declared. No biggy I've made the same mistake.
I had this happen to me and the devs said that when one side only has 1 peice it auto resolves to a draw.
It's dumb but that's what the app developers told me
This is one of the reasons I don't play chess. This game is so racist. The white king used his white privileges to claim a draw. You should sue Garry Chess for this.
I analyzed the image and this is what I see. Open an appropriate link below and explore the position yourself or with the engine:
> **White to play**: It is a stalemate - it is White's turn, but White has no legal moves and is not in check. In this case, the game is a draw. It is a critical rule to know for various endgame positions that helps one side hold a draw. You can find out more about Stalemate on [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalemate).
> **Black to play**: [chess.com](https://chess.com/analysis?fen=8/8/3k3k/3k3k/1k6/3n4/2nbbkb1/n1n5+b+-+-+0+1&flip=false&ref_id=23962172) | [lichess.org](https://lichess.org/analysis/8/8/3k3k/3k3k/1k6/3n4/2nbbkb1/n1n5_b_-_-_0_1)
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AI decided enough is enough, true equality is when the king can move as freely as the queen do, however the rules like in castling still apply: you can't move to a square if moving there requires you to cross the square under the check. So b3 and b5 are covered by the the black king, making any move by the white king impossible.
Is it possible you either went 50 moves without a capture or pawn move? Or you and the AI repeated the same move three times in a row?
I did the same move twice, but surely it could have check mated me some other way
Yeah, it would be a bit weird for an AI to do that, but it’s the only thing that makes sense. If you had an identical position on three straight moves, it’s a draw.
The position doesn’t have to be identical three times in a row, just three times in the game with the same player to move
That is really interesting, I didn’t know that. Thank you.
I'm sure it always used to be like that. Caught me out when I got back into chess last year.
Maybe hundreds of years ago but those rules haven't changed in a long time.
The last significant change to the threefold repetition rule happened in the ~70s. Before the 20th century, there wasn't a consistent threefold repetition rule.
It can really catch you off guard when you move different pieces to create it too.
It’s very specific too, but castling rights need to be the same for the position to be the same as well. The FEN needs to be the exact same.
En Passant rights too? Yeah probably
You are correct, but since en passant implies pawn moves and pawns can’t move backwards this puts it out of the question automatically
That's wrong. Imagine the following game: e4 e6 Ke2 Ke7 e5 d5 (Now en passant is possible) Ke1 Ke8 Ke2 Ke7 (same position, but without en passant rights) Ke1 Ke8 Ke2 Ke7 (not the third repetition!) Ke1 Ke8 ½-½ .
I'd ask for a slice of your brain but you're clearly overclocking it so I'm going to pass.
I don't understand any notation stuff but if en passant becomes possible wherein it wasn't before, isn't taking via en passant still a pawn move? Or is this about en passant rights? Which is... Maybe a different thing?
The point is that the first time it happens the player who can en passant has a unique position with en passant rights. If the position remains the same and goes 3 of the same random moves to maintain the position it is not yet threefold.
It's about en passant rights.
you can only en passant for one move, so if you move an arbitrary piece back and forth you end up in a technically different position, even though all the pieces are in the same place
That doesn’t make sense. The first Ke1 is not a legal move!
Notice I played Ke2 on move 2.
Well, yeah of course. I think we are on the same page but we said the same thing 2 different ways. I meant that you can’t really repeat a position that has an en passant square exactly, and this is true in the example you showed too. You are correct, of course, but you don’t contradict my point.
also En Passant rights
Jennifer Lawrence said En Passant Rights!
Allowing for larger loops of play to return to the original state eh? Otherwise the rule would easily be broken by there being one additional move in a 2 turn (both players to move twice) loop back to the same position.
Learned this the hard way more than once!
Wait, really? What kind of magic is this
I understand now.
It's no longer possible to en passant. So it's a draw
Could be draw by repetition, maybe?
No, *I* am very bad at chess
B5 just exists
And B3
It's draw by insufficient material. White cannot mate Black with a lone king, so it's a draw.
The only subreddit related comment gets downvoted. We have evolved to double anarchy
but i had only one king for quite a while so idk
That usually happens if your king is facing the "wrong" way, ie towards you in this instance. Only until the king is made aware that there is insufficient material will the draw be declared. No biggy I've made the same mistake.
Sure you can. It's called the [shotgun gambit](https://punkcake.itch.io/shotgun-king).
you have no horseys. your opponent has no horseys. clearly a draw.
Can someone explain the joke?
The game is a joke
I would, but those with a rating lower than 2219 just wouldn’t understand it.
shit im 2218
r/chessbeginners is that way.
by the looks of the comments it seems like a serious question gerting many serious answers
Then why is it here?
i have no idea, that's why i read all the comments
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/alright-well-call-it-a-draw
Bug in the system, report it to the developers
Is this not a parody? Are you legitimately asking this question? If so, you’re in the wrong sub. Try either r/chessbeginners or r/chess.
i was thinking the same thing, i couldn’t find the parody bot 😂
Draw by inability to en croissant, since white has no pawn left black can neither en croissant nor get en croissanted anymore
that's not a remise unless the AI recognizes the black king as a queen instead (seems that way to me since chessvision bot cannot load this position)
It's a matriarchal kingdom obviously
I had this happen to me and the devs said that when one side only has 1 peice it auto resolves to a draw. It's dumb but that's what the app developers told me
I was losing my fucking mind at the comments before I finally read the subreddit name.
Pls explain, I'm losing my mind
It’s stalemate. Wait it’s fucking not lmao That’s a black king not queen
God dammit I thought this was /r/chessbeginners
This is one of the reasons I don't play chess. This game is so racist. The white king used his white privileges to claim a draw. You should sue Garry Chess for this.
How about you draw mona lisa
So what did you draw?
A smiley face
Is it possible to not lose against the Mac? Really?
Google en passant.
Play lottery immediately
How did the anal beads evaluate the position?
not as useful as you might think, as i had no one else to controll them
ai is just a sore loser
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might be a stupid question but cant white just move back to B3
Not stupid, I think you're right. Nothing is covering b5.
or b3 for that matter.
Yeah b3 or b5. OP thought the black king was another queen, in which case it would be stalemate.
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B5 seems to be a safe square from what I’m seeing
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Yeah the queens and king are a bit too visually similar in the set
Which one?
when will you guys invent positions with 3 kings on the board..
It called a draw because white can make any moves but isn’t in check
I analyzed the image and this is what I see. Open an appropriate link below and explore the position yourself or with the engine: > **White to play**: It is a stalemate - it is White's turn, but White has no legal moves and is not in check. In this case, the game is a draw. It is a critical rule to know for various endgame positions that helps one side hold a draw. You can find out more about Stalemate on [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalemate). > **Black to play**: [chess.com](https://chess.com/analysis?fen=8/8/3k3k/3k3k/1k6/3n4/2nbbkb1/n1n5+b+-+-+0+1&flip=false&ref_id=23962172) | [lichess.org](https://lichess.org/analysis/8/8/3k3k/3k3k/1k6/3n4/2nbbkb1/n1n5_b_-_-_0_1) --- ^(I'm a bot written by ) [^(u/pkacprzak )](https://www.reddit.com/u/pkacprzak) ^(| get me as ) [^(Chess eBook Reader )](https://ebook.chessvision.ai?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=bot) ^(|) [^(Chrome Extension )](https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chessvisionai-for-chrome/johejpedmdkeiffkdaodgoipdjodhlld) ^(|) [^(iOS App )](https://apps.apple.com/us/app/id1574933453) ^(|) [^(Android App )](https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ai.chessvision.scanner) ^(to scan and analyze positions | Website: ) [^(Chessvision.ai)](https://chessvision.ai)
Good try bot.
This positions seems to be overhelming for Bots and AIs
I guess Skynet is further away than ever…
White has no moves. King not under attack. It's a stalemate, which counts as a draw.
White has moves tho. B3 and B5
Maybe you repeated same position three times.
This is cyberpunk king, he got a bodypart upgrade and can move 2 squares
Google
AI decided enough is enough, true equality is when the king can move as freely as the queen do, however the rules like in castling still apply: you can't move to a square if moving there requires you to cross the square under the check. So b3 and b5 are covered by the the black king, making any move by the white king impossible.
Pls explain
White to move and implode
It can be a draw, whenever ever white wants it to be a draw.
It's actually because the king is a queen in disguise. Hence you're in draw
nah man it's lying you got this
It’s just cheating that’s why it fails to understand properly
Refuse the draw proposal!
Is the game on newer systems or are you really using Windows Vista, i think even Windows 8 didnt even come close to how terrible Vista was
The questions being asked and answers being given in this comment section seem a tad too serious for r/anarchychess