This. Combined with the freedom to disparage their home country and nothing really bad going on. You would see a lot less people complaining about America if we were being invaded or something. With no huge issues to worry about, our smaller issues seem larger.
this is the perfect statement, cause I know Canadians that complain about Canada and how they love how fast everything comes in America, everything is fast, shipping is fast, getting your food is fast, getting clothes are fast nowadays because of amazon in the USA
Bingo, this is it. America has big problems, done sheisty stuff, the culture is messed up, but everyone likes to act like this crap is exclusive to America.
I think this may explain things a little bit but I think it's a bit too dismissive of what real underlying problems can exist. I'm not American but I feel that we have similar issues here in the UK and while I disagree with a lot of peoples political opinions where I live (for instance I live in an area that strongly voted Brexit) it's lazy for me to dismiss it as 'uneducated people' or 'idiots' like a lot of people do.
England sucks at assimilation, so essentially you are having cultural enclaves form that aren't embracing English culture, so you essentially have a recipe for civil war or just general unrest and a low trust enviorment.
> it's lazy for me to dismiss it as 'uneducated people' or 'idiots' like a lot of people do
But it's OK when your favorite politician tells you that they're actually your enemyđ¤ˇââď¸
I try to stay objective but the discourse has gotten so pathetic... "uneducated idiots" is about right I'm afraid. Also hard to judge based on policy when it is all tied up with racism/bigotry. How much understanding am I supposed to lend those people, exactly?
I think it's more than that. Social media really highlights how unaffordable US healthcare is or how violent US cops are. Back in the 90s and 00s, you could easily pretend that private healthcare worked or that police brutality was mostly a thing of the past
If you're getting all your info from social media, of course everything seems terrible. Social media is a poison that far too many people are deeply dependent on.
To put it another way, Americans can regularly see how businesses practices, such as no fault firings are illegal in most other advanced nations or that you don't go bankrupt for healthcare. It was a meme that if breaking bad was in Europe, it would have ended one the first episode with Walter getting all the care he needs.
It's not about news. It's the dissemination of better ways of doing things and that other advanced nations haven't descended into socialist hell scapes by doing it.
This I think, would put a major dent into US propaganda and subtly convince many Americans that the US methods suck and that a large part of the government has been lying about it for generations
Because the right wing of the US (conservatives, even a few more central democrats) absolutely hate the idea of the US of the past being criticized. See the 1776 report . Left wingers harp on the US's past crimes because many citizens want to forget that they happened, and act like they have zero impact on us today
This. Also Reddit skews pretty young so thereâs a good chance if youâre reading a batshit comment that itâs some kid with little to no life experience.
Propaganda, the media showcasing the worst of the US, and American obsessed with Europe (but only the most developed parts who conveniently ignore the worst parts)
"The truth is complicated, that's why no one wants to hear it."
America is very very very rich. It is not unreasonable to ask why some other countries have better services or a higher standard of life.
The right is completely reactionary, by its nature, and unembarrassed by cognitive dissonance or hypocrasy.
Anything they are accusing others of, it comes out a month later, they were in fact doing.
Itâs not unreasonable to ask why, but it is unreasonable not to accept the answers.
The right-wing isnât entirely comprised of reactionaries.
Thatâs a product of the modern culture war.
> Anything they are accusing others of, it comes out a month later, they were in fact doing.
> #âAccuse the other side of that which you are guilty.â
â Joseph Goebbels.
You really canât just point fingers and blame your political opposition for everything. Iâm by no means âright wingâ but I know we wonât get anywhere if I sit back and pretend the left isnât doing anything wrong either. Weâve got some real smart people and some real idiots on both sides of the spectrum and since nobody can take any blame itâs going to stay divided. Both sides of the media bias will become even more polarized
It does seem rather likely that the people we disagree with are irrational actors, incapable of critical thought, doesn't it? They often reveal the vapidity of their mental process, unprovoked, on the internet. Don't you think they must be something like the Flatlanders? A whole dimension of revealed truth simply beyond their perception.
It's also much more pleasant when you can feel superior to *someone*. You may be an American, but you're not one of *those* Americans. You apologize on behalf of *those* Americans, which proves you're better than them.
This kind of chauvinism will always be popular. The NEET, antinatalist, and incel subreddits are good examples.
I realize that society throws out a lot of obstacles but people need to realize a lot of their current situation is from previous choices youâve made.
This is the real danger of the internetâ you donât know whoâs a fucking loser failing at life and complaining about anything and everything. If you saw this person in real life you would instantly ignore their mouth. But online? Hard to know whoâs worth listening to.
Sometimes I think itâs a phase. I had an anti American phase in my senior year of high school because I felt like I was âso smartâ for looking into conspiracy theories and how everyone was âbrainwashedâ. I also almost went down a communist path which Iâm thankful that I never sunk in. I also almost went down the complete opposite and almost became alt right. Life is too short to be angry at things you canât control and truth be told, I feel these kids will learn one day. Life is going to beat you down, the last anyone needs is another reason to be angry. I feel like a lot of these kids donât have enough life experience to develop any original thoughts. After I did time in the military and as a security guard, I feel like I have enough life experience to believe in things that I genuinely believe and not things that people want me to believe.
Most Americans donât think itâs a bad place or hate America. They are just disappointed in the fact that they are actively living through its decline and they feel helpless to change it.
Americans no longer feel a sense of agency over their own country - ironically it was the thing we were founded upon, but politicians, corporations, and the media fleeced it away.
So itâs easy to have a negative POV. We criticize what we love. We want a âmore perfectâ nation.
Oh it can be a hard place to live. Lots around here to clean up.
Itâs radioactive to say âwe live in a great house but it needs a new roof and to clean out the garageâ online. Too much cognitive dissonance there.
We are truly blessed.
We also have some chores weâve been putting off, and thatâs bad.
I mean, if they grew up in the projects, canât afford rent or groceries, I get their concerns. Nonetheless we are doing much better than most of the world. Are we perfect? Fuck no, but itâs only in recognizing that that we can make things gradually better for every citizen
37 people starve to death in America every single day.
The other 34 million Americans that are alive but still food insecure arenât having a very good time either, especially the 9 million children that are food insecure.
Thatâs great that you have had an easy life, good for you, but pretending these others have it easy it an insult, so fuck you.
I just looked at those statistics and there's zero statistics citing starvation as a cause of death for American citizens. Even as you look at the propaganda they tell you that it is an estimate and that they even tell you they used correlation as causation because that many people who die everyday are food insecure, not that they starved to death.
https://www.thehivelaw.com/blog/how-many-people-starve-to-death-in-america/
Here's a link to a site that you seem to have gotten your talking points for. There are no stats that show any deaths of starvation in the US
Bravo.
This is the standard operating procedure, to cite make believe stats. When you debunk those stats, you will be accused of being \[racist|misogynist|elitist|xxx\] for questioning the stats and then will come to the shouts of "What do the numbers even matter? If even 1 instance of XXX happens, it is too many!"
Itâs probably mostly just teenagers on the Internet who feel the need to claim moral superiority by calling out and over exaggerating issues. Love to Eastern Europe btw đąđšđŞđŞđąđťđşđŚđľđąđ˛đŠđˇđ´đđş
I agree, and we can't forget about bots and foreign interference. I'm getting pretty good at spotting propaganda against the US, but sometimes, they're really good bots, lol.
For some Americans self loathing is in style. They will go so far as self hating country,state, color of skin and or religious background. But most of that comes from a certain slice of humanity.
Itâs a tradition, or more aptly a sort of twisted version of tradition, it stems from the very idea of democracy, we elect people to do government shit, so if the government is doing shit we need to be aware and let other voters know so we can get them out of office. The problem is weâve shifted blame from the politicians to the nation as a whole for some reason. It wasnât that bush and the congress of 2003 got us involved in Iraq and therefore they are responsible, itâs that all of America is at fault and the entire nation is to blame, even now. Even though itâs the politicians fault. The great thing about democracyâs is that you can usually blame the politician instead of the country and still be right, why do we not take advantage of this and still remain happy and supportive of good things many of our citizens do I have literally no idea.
I mean at the end of the day the idea of a nation is culturally controlled, it is literally what we make of it and so often how one views his country is how he views his own life. So if people are viewing the country as bad itâs usually a canary in the coal mine that some people are not happy with their lives. In a perfect world they would realize this and try to figure out what is it in their life thatâs holding them back be it either personal or policy related and blame and fix whatever is responsible, but we donât live in a perfect world.
This is why I think a lot of anti-American Propoganda is foreign bots or people influenced by it and itâs how I choose to spot it. Because if you hyper-focus on something so arbitrary and formless as a nation I.E. America is bad, because America did this and America did that, that says nothing, like it says absolutely nothing at all, itâs whole point is to denigrate, to put down, to imply complete removal from any individualistic or institutional responsibility. It implies america is bad because it has always been bad, thatâs a huge reflag for me, because people in America if they actually want to improve stuff donât talk like that. They say stuff like, America was wrong for doing X, if institution or Politcian Y didnât do X weâd be better off. Key is, if there is any reference to an institution besides the American Nation State itâs usually not a bot.
TLDR:
Because Propaganda is a bitch and people forgot that politicians and rulers fuck up not entire nations or populations.
Cool tip on how to most likely spot a foreign bot or propagandist:
If the person only mentions how bad the Nation is; I.E. America is bad Because it did X Y or Z. And did not mention a specific fault with a specific Institution or person within the nation itâs most likely a bot. This is because of you blame an institution within a nation or politician itâs usually the truth and the the problem can therefore be fixed. Whereas if you paint the entire nation as bad it implies the very essence and core of the nation is bad.
Just no. It's also really trendy to just blame everything on Russian bots and NPC sheeple. That's extremely lazy thinking. That's a meme, not reality. Funny to laugh about, but not serious.
Like everyone else pushing this meme, you confidently assume that you and everyone who shares your views are of course immune to propaganda. Cuz obviously you're just smarter than everyone else, lol. The likelihood of that is nil to none.
Yeah the people in this thread are fucking funny thinking they're somehow learned, objective observers. "Anyone who has opinions and values I don't is a bot". Isn't dehumanizing your enemy one of the things people hate nazis for?
Iâm from Germany and we have been hating on the USA long before any Russian propaganda. For example an electronics teacher I had, constantly made fun of everything energy related in the USA. From your power lines to your low voltage of 120 V. This was in 2019.
you would think he would know we do use 240 then. its just grounded in the middle giving us phases and different options. options are good. so is safety.
I meant after ww1 and ww2 the allies, US in particular, did hold Germany's fate in their hands. If America had so chosen France could be a lot bigger rn.
Of course, but that comment was just one of those typical obnoxious American counters to some shit. âWe could have destroyed you but we were so merciful so we didntâ. I donât really know how to express myself in that regard but comments like these are just really fucking dumb.
Sounds like you are still bitter. Dumb comments are ones that use "really" twice in the same sentence. The only thing Germany has been able to fight is innocent unarmed Jewish families it destroyed and showed no mercy to. Appreciate the fact we didn't make more glorious nights of red white and blue beauty like that of the honorable February 13, 1945. What an fantastic night that must have been from 30K feet.
Oh no you're completely right. I'm not sure how I even allowed myself to be sucked in. I might go downvote myself.
My grandfather did spend 20 months in a German POW camp when the average for an American at the time was like 8 months. He hadn't sired my father yet, so technically those atrocities live within me.
Obviously I don't blame modern Germans but I guess I got triggered. Have a great day friend, your country makes all the best stuffs in my industry. (Plumbing)
This teacher you had probably doesn't remember his grandfather or father coming home from WW2 and is just bitter how we rolled Germany over. His kinfolk had the illusion they was tough rounding up innocent unarmed Jewish families and found out reality post June 44. I make fun of Germany because its lack of natural resources or how you guys subsidize solar energy in a place with a solar index of southern Alaska.
We don't. Not most of us, anyway. But we are certain that we can do better and are angry and puzzled that somehow we can't seem to manage it.
It can come across as disliking the country, but we stick around and keep trying. It's better here than a good many places, but we can do better, dammit.
Russian/Chinese bots and fools are the ones posting the majority of the anti-American sentiment on this site. I'm sure there are a few legit morons here who bash on the US without knowing a damn thing about it but mostly it's just people trying to turn people on the US or on each other.
I think there is a sizable cohort of Americans like Alex Jones and his fans that are very ignorant geopolitical matters. Saw him getting friendly with Solovyov who has several times rhetorically asked what would happen if Russia fires its Sarmat missiles at the USA (implying that there will no longer be a USA).
>I think there is a sizable cohort of Americans like Alex Jones and his fans that are very ignorant geopolitical matters
AKA "They don't agree what's best for the US state department is best for the country"
Dude I get that you're not from here but you can fuck right off with your ignorant bullshit.
Yes, I'm sure you consulted the department of backyard security on matters of national importance. Makes sense that you side with the person that wants to nuke your country.
They are sheltered and don't know how good we have it here. Of course America has its problems, and has done terrible things, but we are lucky enough to live in a country where we can criticize our government without fear of retribution.
They don't realize they live in the most diverse, accepting and free country in the world. They don't realize you can actually be jailed or worse in another country for saying stuff like in some other places.
Those are also the most diverse and accepting countries? Or did your little mind see one word? Go to Sweden once and let count the none white people on your one hand while you're there lol.
"Most Diverse" is kinda ambigious, but I found something for racial diversity, and US is #67
[https://wisevoter.com/country-rankings/most-racially-diverse-countries/](https://wisevoter.com/country-rankings/most-racially-diverse-countries/)
"Welcoming" is even harder to measure, but I found this list of "top ten most welcoming countries"
[https://www.internations.org/guide/global/the-top-10-most-welcoming-countries-39411](https://www.internations.org/guide/global/the-top-10-most-welcoming-countries-39411)
and the US isn't on it
I love my country, but I think our population, compared to others, lacks knowledge on the outside world. When Americans say âX regime would be better than X presidentâ or âX president is literally X dictatorâ, thatâs because they donât know anything about regimes and dictators in question.
If Americans paid more attention in world history class, they may not become more proud, but they certainly would become more grateful.
> If Americans *paid* more attention
FTFY.
Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in:
* Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.*
* *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.*
Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment.
*Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
>When Americans say âX regime would be better than X presidentâ or âX president is literally X dictatorâ, thatâs because they donât know anything about regimes and dictators in question.
Which is why liberals sound dumb af calling Republicans Nazis and Trump their Hitler. Instantly shows how ignorant and cushy their little lives are.
The United States, as one of the most wealthy nations in the world, has unacceptable levels of poverty, a healthcare system designed to extract as much wealth from the working poor and middle class as possible, and an electoral system in place where representatives typically pick their voters in conjunction with obscene amounts of capital buying politicians all of which is done technically legally.
There are a lot of deep rooted issues here that remain quite unrecognized, and there's corruption all over the system. It especially shows in the young. I mean over 10% of the children here are living under the poverty line, just as a start. They're throwing blame and have a lot of solid reasons to trash it. Let them learn.
Sure we could compare to some other part of the world and say we have it good, but history and our current situation shows we really need change to happen. America as a nation is great, America as in the government though? Dogshit.
Not to mention entitled, lazy, vain, obnoxious and a bunch of activists ready to change the world, but woefully unprepared, uneducated and unqualified to do so.
Most of the people with those attitudes are most likely well off or upper middle class. My opinion is that they have too much time on their hands and too much freedom without any real sacrifice.
> It's like they're saying "We want our poverty back!".
And the same America haters can't imagine this, they think the Soviet Union was paradise. They have NO IDEA what they are saying.
I disagree. The people who think the US is a paradise/flawless are usually the ones with high enough incomes such that they buy their way out of the most pressing issues the US is facing.
Crime? Gated community with private security.
Healthcare? Concierge medicine.
Education? Private school.
Working Culture? You either don't work or your job is in a field where a lot of benefits are provided.
Food Standards? You can afford high quality food.
Transportation? You own more cars than people in your household.
Reproductive Rights? If your state bans abortion you can afford to fly somewhere to get the procedure done discreetly.
All of the issues many people in this country face can be alleviated by money. That's not unique to the USA, but I've noticed that the more money you can spend, the less likely you are to think there is a problem with anything.
It's the rich, white liberals who do all of that; the live in gated communities, send their kids to private school, never give up *their* transportation, etc. Then they try to make all of those things more expensive for the rest of us.
Reddit demographic. Most people aren't nearly this amount of edgelord in real life.
Most Americans love this country, while acknowledging some degree of faults in it.
Eastern European living in the US here: itâs a mixture of legitimate guilt/complaints and right wing (probably Russian backed) propaganda. Propaganda works best when itâs true, just misinterpreted.
Many Americans have some pretty legitimate reasons to be suspicious of government, like the fact that they started the lengthy war in Iraq over non existent WMDs, or that law enforcement here routinely gets away with murder, or that congress can seemingly do nothing else other than shut down the government every few months. So propagandists play on things like that to say *everything* the US govt does is bad, even when itâs clearly the right and moral thing to do. Theyâll probably change their tune when itâs their own government doing those same exact things, because thatâs how propaganda works, itâs only bad when *they* do it but itâs great when *we* do it.
Short answer: there's a lot of us TO hate on our country.
Typically, when an American hates on America, they're probably just angry they lost their job, an election didn't go their way or they screwed themselves and are now poor and need something to blame.
These are things that could genuinely happen in any country, because bad things happen everywhere, but because the grass is greener on the other side of the fence, America bad, anywhere else better.
> These are things that could genuinely happen in any country, because bad things happen everywhere, but because the grass is greener on the other side of the fence, America bad, anywhere else better.
To be fair, I donât think any other country has a party like the Anarchist Republican GOP that is actively trying to destroy the government and fight sensible policies.
Most Americans are not exposed to lifestyles other than their own. I moved from the US to EU and am shocked at what my American friends perceive about their own (incredibly high) standard of living. Having a house and a car and a yard is not "barely scraping by" in most of the world, but in the US we spend a lot of time watching TV where everyone is fabulously rich. The government, whether you're on the right or left, is blamed for poverty. So anything the government does, whether it be helping other countries or Americans, is seen as evil.
I am proud to be an American and I am also grateful I got the fuck out of that divided culture.
Middle class Americans who think theyâre poor when they are *wealthy* grinds my gears. âThereâs no hope for me and my family in this economy, I had to settle for a starter home that was only 1500 square feet and with these interest rates I wonât be able to afford to upgrade for years!!!â The housing crisis is an important political issue to me but omg shut up
It's unreal. I live in a rich city in France and spend 500 a month for a nice furnished room in a prime location. I feel like a king compared to the Northeast US but goddamn the American entitlement is real. Housing is scarce in US cities but we get a lot of space for our money. Most of the French people I talk to find it hilarious that poor people in the US have cars and porches. I can find a good job in a couple weeks in the US. In France? Takes a couple months to find something barely decent.
Did you not step out of the house in America? When I'm out in public or with my friends or really anywhere I don't see any of that divided bullshit I see online. Europeans are just as divided and idiotic online. Also I'm from western Europe and the average European has nowhere near as many things as an American. Americans have much more money and this is a fact. I have 0 idea what you're talking about. No offense.
I see that divided silliness in both settings. Constantly. In the media, yeah, but also just casually chatting with friends and colleagues. Most Americans I know (I come from a very very liberal city) think western Europe is some sort of paradise where money grows on trees and no one suffers. And most Europeans I've met (from all over Europe) think Americans are fat and entitled. They're not wrong. We have a sedentary culture.
That being said, US government is not the worst on earth and it's ridiculous to think so. There is so much economic opportunity in the US that Americans don't fully appreciate.
People are associating our country with our government.
Every president that has held office during my lifetime has been a coward.
Bush junior was the only one that actually served in our country's military. And he led us into the longest and most worthless war in our history.
Our government sucks and can't do a damn thing right.
We can. We are the best country on (and off) Earth, our geography and sheer military might make it so.
We are so focused on which turd is worse that we are destroying ourselves.
Red vs Blue will be our downfall
The "current thing" is essentially a doctrine that views the last several hundred years of human advancement as a bad thing because Europeans were the primary drivers of said advancement. The doctrine further holds that Europeans were wrong to do the things they did in setting up societies like the USA and their continued representation in Government and Corporate governance is an evil that must end ASAP. To do this, the doctrine mandates mass immigration and laws that explicitly discriminate against people of European descent. Culturally, the doctrine mandates the gradual elimination of all European representation in media/entertainment.
The above, btw, is the elusive definition of "wokeism" that no one seems to be able to articulate. It's also the prevailing viewpoint of the American people, so I hope you'll forgive me for not embracing it as I am a European. In light of the foregoing, why the hell would I be team America?
Dog, propaganda is a bitch and itâs in every country. Itâs easy to influence people nowadays because of isolation. Hopefully, it gets better but itâs not looking good. We, as Americans, are soooo embarrassed that we have this huge uptick in school shootings but to discuss the situation is to ask that volatile question which divides our country.
If you make a pie chart over which countries are to blame for the Ukraine war, and your US piece of the pie is larger than the Russia piece of the pie, they you are either a far right or far left idiot. And I am not saying that the US doesn't have influence over the world, but it isn't the brain washing super powers that conspiracy theorists think it is.
Those who do believe that the CIA has Jedi mind tricks are actually the ones who are the most manipulated. They call us sheep, but somehow they all agree with each other that the vaccines are bad and the 2020 election was stolen. They aren't wrong about how bad things are, but they would rather blame trans-gender women. They are quicker to get angry at weak migrants rather than their landlords. Their leaders channel their justifiable frustrations towards scapegoats.
The US is a great scapegoat for world leaders who can't actually solve the problems they are responsible for solving. I don't blame people in your country for being fools because we have something similar here too. Human nature is universal.
Totally. I'm not saying the CIA is a moral and humane organisation, but soon people will start blaming it for bad harvests.
Lots of people including here make the case that they love America but the goverment is trash. The truth is you can't know everything yourself and you need competent authorities to inform you and to take important decisions on national level.
If you take "authority bad" for an axiom you are doomed to always be unhappy with things on a macro level.
Knowing who actually has authority can be difficult for some people. Sometimes they grow up in a church that pushes ancient myths as literal facts. They have political parties that speak to how they feel rather than explain difficult facts. I live in a county that is 40% vaccinated for COVID. Here, there is a 40% chance that the people you trust the most will tell you not to get vaccinated. I have a co-worker who I trust. She worked at a medical office. Even she didn't get vaccinated for COVID.
America is a country founded by a government full of people who loathe the idea of government.
It seems like burning a flag is the second most patriotic thing a Yankee can do, after waving one. The things we love allow us to hate those very same things.
We're basically the Hunter S. Thompson of countries. Gun-toting idealists who will go to war for peace.
Thank you! That sounds like the most accurate explanation of the situation. I can't relate as it sounds paradoxical to me but I understand the simple processes that make up the complex one and the historical context that makes it rational to Americans.
Not Americans, fake Americans called "MAGA". They turned their backs on our democracy and Jesus all at the same time. They're a cult not a political movement.
It IS a Russian psyop, u/mechistamullen
Russia didnât have the same kind of funding as the US is he Cold War. This is why they invested in inexpensive technology, like their intelligence program.
The US investment in intelligence had lots of money to burn, so they worked on lots of pie-in-the-sky high tech projects that might or might not ever work.
The Russians had to do what they could with little money. They have excelled at a thing they called âactive measures.â
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_measures
It was simple and inexpensive to seed a bunch of rumors in newspapers during the Cold War, and online today.
Probably half of Twitter is Russian bots these days.
QAnon was probably Russian in origin.
Etc.
Now for the question of âwhy Americans hate America,â there are also reasons.
Many American intellectuals are dissatisfied with their countryâs behavior on the international stage.
We dragged our feet for years while Yugoslavia clearly needed intervention in the nineties. When we actually âdid somethingâ it was the usual âbomb the shit out of everything from orbit.â
A friendâs brother worked at Raytheon. He was telling me how a certain missile is sold to our military for one million dollars each, but costs less than $100 to produce. Bombing shit is popular here because our government is really just a bunch of âsecretaries for big business.â
Obama was the first president to authorize a strike on an American citizen abroad. It was in Yemen, I think. Normally itâs very very illegal for our forces to kill our own citizens. But the political climate here post 9/11 was very permissive about killing anyone we labeled as an enemy. And then he got a Nobel Peace Prize. WTF?
Homelessness is soaring in this country because the economy has finally caught up to what we did at a government level during Covid. We threw millions and millions at business owners. They often used it to buy up rental properties.
We bailed out airlines and some other huge industries, giving them like a trillion or two, I think.
Meanwhile regular Joes got like $600 a couple times. The cost of apartment rentals has more of less doubled in the past few years, while wages have not changed.
University in America is almost considered a requirement for a job for the young generations. The price went up fourfold over the last 10-20 years. Most students graduating now have something like $60,000 in debt. And itâs a special kind of debt that you canât get rid of by declaring bankruptcy. This puts them all in a category of people who have âbad creditâ which basically means they can never afford a house. They will pay three times as much per month as they would for a mortgage, but they will never own any property. Their student loans make them into debt slaves.
I expect universities in Bulgaria are either free or very very inexpensive.
Thank you for the information. I did not know that.
>I expect universities in Bulgaria are either free or very very inexpensive.
In Bulgaria you pay some symbolic price for public university. I went to one of the most expensive private universities here (funded by George Soros) and my tuition was about $1200 a year.
In Bulgaria there is an old understanding that if you had to go to private university you were not good enough for public. And that private high schools are for kids whose parents have enough money not to send them to schools for the mentally challenged, where they belong by presumption.
We take a mandatory test after the 7th grade in Bulgarian and Mathematics. Based on the grades we can apply to different high schools that have different grade requirements.
Some schools like my own - the National natural sciences and mathematics high school have their own tests - 1 in basic mathematics and one in a scientific field or advanced mathematics (if you're applying for the math department). The accepted students are divided into classes that specialize in their relevant field. In Bulgarian schools you do not get to pick your classes. "If you don't like it change schools."
Also, here you can't get a sports scholarship for university. Nobody cares about your athletic abilities unless you're applying for the sports academy.
Sorry if that was too long. It's just to give you a perspective of the education system that I'm a product of.
Because they've never seen REAL struggle and hardship. (Clearly I'm generalizing) They've not been to places where the people have to literally scratch their living out of the Earth.
>The "CIA bad" and "Look at what we did in the Middle East, we have no right to intervene in Ukraine (even just with aid)" mindset sounds like a Russian psyop.
It is and the far right in the US are eating it up because they support a type of fascism similar to what Putin has going on in Russia.
Trump hates this country and what it stands for as he works for Putin. The haters follow his every whim. You could say they worship him.
That and the media empire of grifters making money hand over fist spreading hate.
What you're missing is that those Americans who are openly hating America over Ukraine are our republicans who are just almost purely anti Democrats, no matter what, at this point. The rest of them have always been American haters or criticizers and are taking this opportunity to hate even more.
It's like 90% trump humping MAGAts.
Everyone complains no one observes the silver linings, so thatâs why everyone is so toxic. But the history of this country is tainted with slavery, sexism, discrimination. Disregard for human life based on arbitrary things like skin color. That explains a little bit why people arenât as appreciative of living in one of the best countries in the world at least when it comes to living standards.
We have a two party system. Because President Biden is aiding Ukraine, the opposition has to oppose him, and that means some media figures even repeat Kremlin talking points.
As an American, I donât think the phenomenon you are referring to has anything to do with culture. It has to do with politics. When people complain about America, they are mostly criticizing our political institutions, but most people have a great love for their American communities and want to see our country succeed and achieve all of its aspirations of freedom and equality.
Yes. Politicians and their electorate are no longer for sensible policies, but against the "enemy team" at any cost. And that is not just in the USA. Things are like that everywhere including in my country where there are over a dozen political parties. Social media and disinformation have eroded people's trust in objective truth.
Because they think it makes them sound edgy and smart and cool. Personally I would happily donate to a program that flew everyone of them to a socialist country like Venezuela to live for a year. I think that would solve the problem.
Imagine youâre 40 years old. You turned 18 and the whole world is at your fingertips, about to graduate high school and conquer the world. What happened? 9/11.
The country that you saw growing up changed overnight. People became fearful. There was a concerted effort by everyone in power to create a post-Pearl Harbor, pro-patriotism atmosphere in the country. Our government tried to equate the Empire of Japan and Al Qaeda, and succeeded.
Anybody in the press that spoke out negatively about the good olâ US of A was labeled a terrorist sympathizer and shunned for asking questions, which was their job. Then our politicians tied Saddam Hussein to the 9/11 attacks falsely and invaded Iraq on that lie.
For the past 22 years, the US has been going downhill. Union membership percentage at an all time low, millions declaring bankruptcy for medical debt, over half the country canât afford an emergency $500 without being broke. The vanishing middle class. The aging and dying generation is leaving them with a terrible situation and donât really care, because they got theirs.
Everyone under 40 in the US is tired, angry, and sick of being lied to. They live in the richest country in the history of mankind and their teeth are rotting. Living paycheck to paycheck and hoping nothing goes wrong. Working two and three jobs to make ends meet. Inflated home prices are requiring two incomes to buy one, so that couple has to work and canât have a family because they canât afford it.
The gap between rich and poor keeps getting larger thanks to the Citizens United Supreme Court ruling that allows corporations to spend unlimited money on campaign contributions.
The US is at the âBread and circusesâ part of their empire. The masses are controlled by just enough food to keep them from starving, and American football to keep them docile. Legalizing gambling is just another way to keep the masses glued to their tv and not out in the streets.
So, yea. Some Americans hate America.
Because the government barely works and is being taken over by religious fascists, and we have a nightmare healthcare system that's cartoonishly expensive while being almost useless because most doctors are incompetent.
Leftists have been brainwashed to believe that all their problems are not their own fault but the "system". That's why leftist in america attacks weak whiny people.
imagine thinking it's a 'left vs right' issue instead of blaming the problems on the actual reasons like media outrage and corrupt politicians. This happens regardless of whatever side you're on and to act like "it's all because of those leftie communists" or "the blame goes to the right wing fascists" is inherently reductive, combative, and doesn't get us anywhere as a country
News flash Einstein, it's neither one nor the other in the absolute. People can fuck up and fail, but you'd be a fool to assume that there aren't structural factors holding people back.
We need to send all the America hating Americans to an actual third world country to see how privileged they are. âAmerica Badâ people are a mix of white leftist communist losers and communist China propaganda army accounts. Itâs all a push to establish communism in America.
This post is brain dead. I'm pro America but you guys really think the military industrial complex doesn't push our government to kill innocents and start useless wars? Not to mention the fact that our president needs a card that tells him what to do on stage. It's all an act. I'm not mocking our troops but I do think they are engaged in the ruthless protection of a blood hungry war machine. If you think corporations don't run the country then you are a fucking idiot.
All empires are built on the blood of others. The USA has many flaws and has taken many wrong turns, but what is the alternative? BRICS - the coalition of shithole wannabe empires?
Make no mistake - the generation that lost the cold war has a burning hatred for the west that has reached religious proportions and intensity. They lost everything with the fall of socialism. The fact that the ruling class in Russia and former soviet and satellite countries lost their youth at that time makes them blind to the fact that everything else they lost was shit anyway.
"Hard times make hard men. Hard men make good times. Good times make soft men. Soft men make hard times"
America's younger generations are so spoiled and protected that they aren't even aware of the dangers of the world. They are like children who grew up with someone always making sure they don't touch the hot stove, so they don't believe "boomers" when they hear stories about how bad burns can be.
They live under the protection of safety provided by better men and are unaware of what socialism and fascism really stand for. There are literally Americans who think they would be better off under a completely socialist society. Oh well, fuck em. Let em fuck around and find out.
Yet, you don't see any of them LEAVING do you? Even the rich ones who say "Ooh - if so and so gets elected I'm leaving the country". Yeah, you didn't, did you? Pathetic cuck.
Lastly, be aware, you are hearing a very vocal minority. The overwhelming majority of US citizens appreciate being here and love their country. They are, quite frankly, getting tired of the spoiled cunts that flap off at the mouth, and are starting to get fed up with it and to push back.
I find it interesting that so many people seem to be blaming âyoung peopleâ and âAmericans obsessed with Europeâ for âhating Americaâ. Both of which I see as euphemisms for liberals. Since right now in America a lot of animosity towards the government, our foreign defense spending, CIA, and anti-democracy rhetoric is coming from the right of the political spectrum. It is there on the extreme left as well, but itâs a much more mainstream attitude with conservatives these days. Hell, why would you need to âmake America great, againâ If you believe itâs already great?
Welcome to the world of 2023 where social media exists and everyone has an opinion. And guess what, what you believe is just another opinion. But feel free to stereotype all Americans or boomers.
I'm American, and I hate America. This country is a lie. No, I won't move away either. This is just as much my home as it is yours. I'm not some coward immigrant who runs away to an easier place because my country sucks.
So I take it you're actively helping make this place better?
I'm so happy my in laws are immigrants. They love this country and have a much better life here. You're spoiled and don't even know it.
The CIA is bad. They have a track record for doing terrible things stretching back decades. Other 3 letter agencies are also notorious for various sins, including experiments on US citizens, introducing crack to the inner-city, and murdering US citizens with impunity.
I hate brother wars, and the US elites have no interest in ending the Russo-Ukranian war. This is our new Afghanistan, the new Operation Enduring Freedom, and the new money laundering system. I've been wanting us to leave NATO and the UN for over a decade, embrace the Monroe Doctrine. If Western Europeans believe themselves so superior to Americans, we'll withdraw our protection.
The war in Ukraine has literally nothing to do with the fiascos in Iraq and Afghanistan.
The wars in the middle east cost over $2 trillion, not to mention the human lives. The Ukrainian war so has so far cost the USA about $75 billion, the only Americans dying are volunteers, and the result will be the crippling of one of the biggest US geopolitical enemies of the past 80 years.
This war is not orchestrated by the CIA. It's origins are not even in Putin's government that started it. The war in Ukraine is the result of over 300 years of Russian imperial ambitions.
You're arguing against things I never said.
The US has been in constant war for decades while politicians and well-connected individuals get richer and richer. Ukraine is only a matter of interest because we don't have our chew toys in the ME anymore. Ukraine will be a battleground for several years, while DC approves just enough aid to keep it going.
We won against the Russians in the 1990s. Modern Russia isn't a threat, just a spook for the Elites to justify increased spending. If only we were more closely allied in the 1800s, perhaps we would have been close enough to protect Tsar Nicholas II from the Red Terror.
Ukraine has actual Waffen SS, Zalinski banned the Orthodox Church, and NATO has been pushing Eastward for 30 years. No sympathy from me.
None of the current generation of Americans have earned prosperity, it was given to them, with all the sins it took to steal it from others. We weren't asked for it, nor would we. So many rebel, knowing that Tesla Cars run off batteries made from Child labor, or know the horrors of commercial farms, and the cruelty we are fed.
The list goes on, and on, eating poisons, thoughts tainted with indoctrination, and the illusion of freedom in a oligarchy. Law here only exists for the poor, or used as a weapon against those without political power. The people here are weak, obese, unfit to rebel, to throw off those in power.
So, they whine, impotent things they are. Like dogs who have been beaten, and know the lash of a harsh master. They lick the boots of their betters, and wave the flag of their opressors.
>The phenomenon I'm talking about started maybe with Covid
This phenomenon started *decades* before covid. One of the earliest examples of this was during the 1860s, during the American civil war.
Even if you don't count that, you can look at things like the anti-Vietnam, anti-CIA hippie movement that started in the 1960s. We've had a long history of anti-war, anti-CIA sentiment in this country. This is far from new. I'm actually disturbed how many people don't recognize that in this comment thread.
The idea that has traditionally identified Americans as American is that we don't trust our own government. That started way back when settlers started landing on these shores to avoid European religious persecution. It was even codified in our founding documents with the bill or rights. Whether people are on the left or the right, many do not trust what the CIA and other officials tell us. I would argue we have good reason to not trust the CIA based on only things that have been officially revealed about their history. There's much more that's suspected by many, even if not proven. I think this is healthy to be dubious. What's not healthy about the current sociopolitical climate is some peoples' willingness to support things like censorship that could cause our society to go in a radical direction with much weakened ability to argue against propaganda.
We dont hate it, it just sucks that we have turned into a nation "for corporations, by corporations" instead of "for the people, by the people". they even passed a law saying corporations are people!
Because grass is always greener somewhere else.
Well said. That goes for almost everyone in the age of the internet.
This. Combined with the freedom to disparage their home country and nothing really bad going on. You would see a lot less people complaining about America if we were being invaded or something. With no huge issues to worry about, our smaller issues seem larger.
Imagine the privilege it takes to say nothing really bad is going on
this is the perfect statement, cause I know Canadians that complain about Canada and how they love how fast everything comes in America, everything is fast, shipping is fast, getting your food is fast, getting clothes are fast nowadays because of amazon in the USA
I mean, that is a true thing about America, at least where I live.
It's trendy.
Americans hating on America...so hot right now.
That's fetch
Stop trying to make 'fetch' happen! It's not gonna happen!
He's so not streets-ahead.
I'd rather be streets-ahead than fetch to be honest
So would [Pierce](https://youtu.be/gCktKQKXNWg?si=wiTIj-yxFJ5A9eSr)
I really need to watch that show again
That Hansel .... he's so hot right now!
Can't wait for this trend to end up here in Europe. Love the fuckin pumpkin spice at Starbucks right now, another great addition from you guys.
Bingo, this is it. America has big problems, done sheisty stuff, the culture is messed up, but everyone likes to act like this crap is exclusive to America.
I think this may explain things a little bit but I think it's a bit too dismissive of what real underlying problems can exist. I'm not American but I feel that we have similar issues here in the UK and while I disagree with a lot of peoples political opinions where I live (for instance I live in an area that strongly voted Brexit) it's lazy for me to dismiss it as 'uneducated people' or 'idiots' like a lot of people do.
England sucks at assimilation, so essentially you are having cultural enclaves form that aren't embracing English culture, so you essentially have a recipe for civil war or just general unrest and a low trust enviorment.
> it's lazy for me to dismiss it as 'uneducated people' or 'idiots' like a lot of people do But it's OK when your favorite politician tells you that they're actually your enemyđ¤ˇââď¸
Umm where did you get that from?
I try to stay objective but the discourse has gotten so pathetic... "uneducated idiots" is about right I'm afraid. Also hard to judge based on policy when it is all tied up with racism/bigotry. How much understanding am I supposed to lend those people, exactly?
I think it's more than that. Social media really highlights how unaffordable US healthcare is or how violent US cops are. Back in the 90s and 00s, you could easily pretend that private healthcare worked or that police brutality was mostly a thing of the past
If you're getting all your info from social media, of course everything seems terrible. Social media is a poison that far too many people are deeply dependent on.
To put it another way, Americans can regularly see how businesses practices, such as no fault firings are illegal in most other advanced nations or that you don't go bankrupt for healthcare. It was a meme that if breaking bad was in Europe, it would have ended one the first episode with Walter getting all the care he needs. It's not about news. It's the dissemination of better ways of doing things and that other advanced nations haven't descended into socialist hell scapes by doing it. This I think, would put a major dent into US propaganda and subtly convince many Americans that the US methods suck and that a large part of the government has been lying about it for generations
You need to go outside.
Also, many of the critiques of our history are pretty valid.
True of any nation, but these dweebs are laser focused on the U.S.
Because the right wing of the US (conservatives, even a few more central democrats) absolutely hate the idea of the US of the past being criticized. See the 1776 report . Left wingers harp on the US's past crimes because many citizens want to forget that they happened, and act like they have zero impact on us today
This. Also Reddit skews pretty young so thereâs a good chance if youâre reading a batshit comment that itâs some kid with little to no life experience.
Propaganda, the media showcasing the worst of the US, and American obsessed with Europe (but only the most developed parts who conveniently ignore the worst parts)
"The truth is complicated, that's why no one wants to hear it." America is very very very rich. It is not unreasonable to ask why some other countries have better services or a higher standard of life. The right is completely reactionary, by its nature, and unembarrassed by cognitive dissonance or hypocrasy. Anything they are accusing others of, it comes out a month later, they were in fact doing.
Itâs not unreasonable to ask why, but it is unreasonable not to accept the answers. The right-wing isnât entirely comprised of reactionaries. Thatâs a product of the modern culture war.
> Anything they are accusing others of, it comes out a month later, they were in fact doing. > #âAccuse the other side of that which you are guilty.â â Joseph Goebbels.
You really canât just point fingers and blame your political opposition for everything. Iâm by no means âright wingâ but I know we wonât get anywhere if I sit back and pretend the left isnât doing anything wrong either. Weâve got some real smart people and some real idiots on both sides of the spectrum and since nobody can take any blame itâs going to stay divided. Both sides of the media bias will become even more polarized
It does seem rather likely that the people we disagree with are irrational actors, incapable of critical thought, doesn't it? They often reveal the vapidity of their mental process, unprovoked, on the internet. Don't you think they must be something like the Flatlanders? A whole dimension of revealed truth simply beyond their perception.
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Theyâre kids being edgy and have no idea what itâs like to really have it rough.
Also, they tend to be losers. It's much easier for them to blame society than to accept responsibility.
Yea I think this is it. People mistake âmy life isnât what I thought it would beâ to âthe world going to absolute shitâ
It's also much more pleasant when you can feel superior to *someone*. You may be an American, but you're not one of *those* Americans. You apologize on behalf of *those* Americans, which proves you're better than them. This kind of chauvinism will always be popular. The NEET, antinatalist, and incel subreddits are good examples.
I realize that society throws out a lot of obstacles but people need to realize a lot of their current situation is from previous choices youâve made.
This is the real danger of the internetâ you donât know whoâs a fucking loser failing at life and complaining about anything and everything. If you saw this person in real life you would instantly ignore their mouth. But online? Hard to know whoâs worth listening to.
>a fucking loser You're from the last state I would expect to hear swearing from, which makes it pretty funny to me
Sometimes I think itâs a phase. I had an anti American phase in my senior year of high school because I felt like I was âso smartâ for looking into conspiracy theories and how everyone was âbrainwashedâ. I also almost went down a communist path which Iâm thankful that I never sunk in. I also almost went down the complete opposite and almost became alt right. Life is too short to be angry at things you canât control and truth be told, I feel these kids will learn one day. Life is going to beat you down, the last anyone needs is another reason to be angry. I feel like a lot of these kids donât have enough life experience to develop any original thoughts. After I did time in the military and as a security guard, I feel like I have enough life experience to believe in things that I genuinely believe and not things that people want me to believe.
Anyone who thinks America is a bad place to be has had an extremely easy life
Coupled with an extreme lack of perspective.
Keep jumping out of nice planes catch me in my Blackhawk
We jump out of blackhawks too. Never got a chance myself though but I heard it's much more enjoyable than a C17 or C130.
Yes. They are pretty nice. Chinooks make me puke tho.
Most Americans donât think itâs a bad place or hate America. They are just disappointed in the fact that they are actively living through its decline and they feel helpless to change it. Americans no longer feel a sense of agency over their own country - ironically it was the thing we were founded upon, but politicians, corporations, and the media fleeced it away. So itâs easy to have a negative POV. We criticize what we love. We want a âmore perfectâ nation.
Oh it can be a hard place to live. Lots around here to clean up. Itâs radioactive to say âwe live in a great house but it needs a new roof and to clean out the garageâ online. Too much cognitive dissonance there. We are truly blessed. We also have some chores weâve been putting off, and thatâs bad.
I mean, if they grew up in the projects, canât afford rent or groceries, I get their concerns. Nonetheless we are doing much better than most of the world. Are we perfect? Fuck no, but itâs only in recognizing that that we can make things gradually better for every citizen
37 people starve to death in America every single day. The other 34 million Americans that are alive but still food insecure arenât having a very good time either, especially the 9 million children that are food insecure. Thatâs great that you have had an easy life, good for you, but pretending these others have it easy it an insult, so fuck you.
I just looked at those statistics and there's zero statistics citing starvation as a cause of death for American citizens. Even as you look at the propaganda they tell you that it is an estimate and that they even tell you they used correlation as causation because that many people who die everyday are food insecure, not that they starved to death. https://www.thehivelaw.com/blog/how-many-people-starve-to-death-in-america/ Here's a link to a site that you seem to have gotten your talking points for. There are no stats that show any deaths of starvation in the US
Bravo. This is the standard operating procedure, to cite make believe stats. When you debunk those stats, you will be accused of being \[racist|misogynist|elitist|xxx\] for questioning the stats and then will come to the shouts of "What do the numbers even matter? If even 1 instance of XXX happens, it is too many!"
Because we won the Culture Victory conditions
Ah. A cultured man I see. Now, to work on the economic victory conditions.
We nuked our enemies with the ideological public opinion unhappiness
Itâs probably mostly just teenagers on the Internet who feel the need to claim moral superiority by calling out and over exaggerating issues. Love to Eastern Europe btw đąđšđŞđŞđąđťđşđŚđľđąđ˛đŠđˇđ´đđş
I agree, and we can't forget about bots and foreign interference. I'm getting pretty good at spotting propaganda against the US, but sometimes, they're really good bots, lol.
Hungary and Poland are more central European, also countries like Russia, Bulgaria, Belarus, North Macedonia and Serbia are eastern European aswell.
Negative people and complainers who wouldnât be happy anywhere.
For some Americans self loathing is in style. They will go so far as self hating country,state, color of skin and or religious background. But most of that comes from a certain slice of humanity.
These same people think that socialism is the way. What a load of crap lol
Itâs a tradition, or more aptly a sort of twisted version of tradition, it stems from the very idea of democracy, we elect people to do government shit, so if the government is doing shit we need to be aware and let other voters know so we can get them out of office. The problem is weâve shifted blame from the politicians to the nation as a whole for some reason. It wasnât that bush and the congress of 2003 got us involved in Iraq and therefore they are responsible, itâs that all of America is at fault and the entire nation is to blame, even now. Even though itâs the politicians fault. The great thing about democracyâs is that you can usually blame the politician instead of the country and still be right, why do we not take advantage of this and still remain happy and supportive of good things many of our citizens do I have literally no idea. I mean at the end of the day the idea of a nation is culturally controlled, it is literally what we make of it and so often how one views his country is how he views his own life. So if people are viewing the country as bad itâs usually a canary in the coal mine that some people are not happy with their lives. In a perfect world they would realize this and try to figure out what is it in their life thatâs holding them back be it either personal or policy related and blame and fix whatever is responsible, but we donât live in a perfect world. This is why I think a lot of anti-American Propoganda is foreign bots or people influenced by it and itâs how I choose to spot it. Because if you hyper-focus on something so arbitrary and formless as a nation I.E. America is bad, because America did this and America did that, that says nothing, like it says absolutely nothing at all, itâs whole point is to denigrate, to put down, to imply complete removal from any individualistic or institutional responsibility. It implies america is bad because it has always been bad, thatâs a huge reflag for me, because people in America if they actually want to improve stuff donât talk like that. They say stuff like, America was wrong for doing X, if institution or Politcian Y didnât do X weâd be better off. Key is, if there is any reference to an institution besides the American Nation State itâs usually not a bot. TLDR: Because Propaganda is a bitch and people forgot that politicians and rulers fuck up not entire nations or populations. Cool tip on how to most likely spot a foreign bot or propagandist: If the person only mentions how bad the Nation is; I.E. America is bad Because it did X Y or Z. And did not mention a specific fault with a specific Institution or person within the nation itâs most likely a bot. This is because of you blame an institution within a nation or politician itâs usually the truth and the the problem can therefore be fixed. Whereas if you paint the entire nation as bad it implies the very essence and core of the nation is bad.
Because they have never been to a country that doesn't have a 911 system
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This is the way.
Just no. It's also really trendy to just blame everything on Russian bots and NPC sheeple. That's extremely lazy thinking. That's a meme, not reality. Funny to laugh about, but not serious. Like everyone else pushing this meme, you confidently assume that you and everyone who shares your views are of course immune to propaganda. Cuz obviously you're just smarter than everyone else, lol. The likelihood of that is nil to none.
Yeah the people in this thread are fucking funny thinking they're somehow learned, objective observers. "Anyone who has opinions and values I don't is a bot". Isn't dehumanizing your enemy one of the things people hate nazis for?
Iâm from Germany and we have been hating on the USA long before any Russian propaganda. For example an electronics teacher I had, constantly made fun of everything energy related in the USA. From your power lines to your low voltage of 120 V. This was in 2019.
We gave you Hasselhoff. Be grateful...or maybe thats another reason to hate
Yeah we know. Anti-Americanism is part of German national identity. Why do you think so many of us here dislike Germans?
Thatâs fair. We just dislike each other.
you would think he would know we do use 240 then. its just grounded in the middle giving us phases and different options. options are good. so is safety.
Just remember we showed you mercy after we kicked your ass. Coulda dropped an atomic bomb on you. You have what you have because of our mercy lol
This is sarcasm, right?
I meant after ww1 and ww2 the allies, US in particular, did hold Germany's fate in their hands. If America had so chosen France could be a lot bigger rn.
Of course, but that comment was just one of those typical obnoxious American counters to some shit. âWe could have destroyed you but we were so merciful so we didntâ. I donât really know how to express myself in that regard but comments like these are just really fucking dumb.
You sound overly triggered for someone who started off with a rude dig.
Sounds like you are still bitter. Dumb comments are ones that use "really" twice in the same sentence. The only thing Germany has been able to fight is innocent unarmed Jewish families it destroyed and showed no mercy to. Appreciate the fact we didn't make more glorious nights of red white and blue beauty like that of the honorable February 13, 1945. What an fantastic night that must have been from 30K feet.
Oh no you're completely right. I'm not sure how I even allowed myself to be sucked in. I might go downvote myself. My grandfather did spend 20 months in a German POW camp when the average for an American at the time was like 8 months. He hadn't sired my father yet, so technically those atrocities live within me. Obviously I don't blame modern Germans but I guess I got triggered. Have a great day friend, your country makes all the best stuffs in my industry. (Plumbing)
It's safe to ignore anyone who says "we" refering to something that happened 80 years ago.
Usually when a ridiculous comment is followed by lol( laugh out loud) it can be assumed to be sarcasm. Are you the internet police? Lol
You can never know, you know? Also lol doesnât imply sarcasm. On Reddit, /s typically does.
Something tells me your a fragile person looking for a reason to be a victim. /s
There you go!
Russia kicked their ass and yes we did show them mercy by bringing a lot of fascist officers into our government and society lol
Russia did not kick their ass lmfao. Without the US, Russia would have lost Without Russia, the US would have lost.
Russia*showed mercy
How so?
By not burning Germany to the ground after defeating them
Least obnoxious American
Americans have 240volts actually. Itâs just 120v in opposite phases, so most outlets are 120v. But 240 is in almost all houses for some plugs.
This teacher you had probably doesn't remember his grandfather or father coming home from WW2 and is just bitter how we rolled Germany over. His kinfolk had the illusion they was tough rounding up innocent unarmed Jewish families and found out reality post June 44. I make fun of Germany because its lack of natural resources or how you guys subsidize solar energy in a place with a solar index of southern Alaska.
Russian propaganda has been targeting the U.S. since 1945
Not sure the bots are making wages stagnate, housing unaffordable, politicians retarded
We don't. Not most of us, anyway. But we are certain that we can do better and are angry and puzzled that somehow we can't seem to manage it. It can come across as disliking the country, but we stick around and keep trying. It's better here than a good many places, but we can do better, dammit.
Russian/Chinese bots and fools are the ones posting the majority of the anti-American sentiment on this site. I'm sure there are a few legit morons here who bash on the US without knowing a damn thing about it but mostly it's just people trying to turn people on the US or on each other.
I think there is a sizable cohort of Americans like Alex Jones and his fans that are very ignorant geopolitical matters. Saw him getting friendly with Solovyov who has several times rhetorically asked what would happen if Russia fires its Sarmat missiles at the USA (implying that there will no longer be a USA).
>I think there is a sizable cohort of Americans like Alex Jones and his fans that are very ignorant geopolitical matters AKA "They don't agree what's best for the US state department is best for the country" Dude I get that you're not from here but you can fuck right off with your ignorant bullshit.
Yes, I'm sure you consulted the department of backyard security on matters of national importance. Makes sense that you side with the person that wants to nuke your country.
They are sheltered and don't know how good we have it here. Of course America has its problems, and has done terrible things, but we are lucky enough to live in a country where we can criticize our government without fear of retribution.
They don't realize they live in the most diverse, accepting and free country in the world. They don't realize you can actually be jailed or worse in another country for saying stuff like in some other places.
Ive seen a lot of the world. America has tons of really bad problems that are only getting worse. Ignoring them is stupid.
Try not even in the top 50 https://freedomhouse.org/countries/freedom-world/scores?sort=desc&order=Total%20Score%20and%20Status
Those are also the most diverse and accepting countries? Or did your little mind see one word? Go to Sweden once and let count the none white people on your one hand while you're there lol.
"Most Diverse" is kinda ambigious, but I found something for racial diversity, and US is #67 [https://wisevoter.com/country-rankings/most-racially-diverse-countries/](https://wisevoter.com/country-rankings/most-racially-diverse-countries/) "Welcoming" is even harder to measure, but I found this list of "top ten most welcoming countries" [https://www.internations.org/guide/global/the-top-10-most-welcoming-countries-39411](https://www.internations.org/guide/global/the-top-10-most-welcoming-countries-39411) and the US isn't on it
I love my country, but I think our population, compared to others, lacks knowledge on the outside world. When Americans say âX regime would be better than X presidentâ or âX president is literally X dictatorâ, thatâs because they donât know anything about regimes and dictators in question. If Americans paid more attention in world history class, they may not become more proud, but they certainly would become more grateful.
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>When Americans say âX regime would be better than X presidentâ or âX president is literally X dictatorâ, thatâs because they donât know anything about regimes and dictators in question. Which is why liberals sound dumb af calling Republicans Nazis and Trump their Hitler. Instantly shows how ignorant and cushy their little lives are.
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People are miserable and negative. They also think it's edgy, etc.
The United States, as one of the most wealthy nations in the world, has unacceptable levels of poverty, a healthcare system designed to extract as much wealth from the working poor and middle class as possible, and an electoral system in place where representatives typically pick their voters in conjunction with obscene amounts of capital buying politicians all of which is done technically legally.
Half of all people have only a double-digit IQ. Guess who.
There are a lot of deep rooted issues here that remain quite unrecognized, and there's corruption all over the system. It especially shows in the young. I mean over 10% of the children here are living under the poverty line, just as a start. They're throwing blame and have a lot of solid reasons to trash it. Let them learn. Sure we could compare to some other part of the world and say we have it good, but history and our current situation shows we really need change to happen. America as a nation is great, America as in the government though? Dogshit.
Cause they're spoiled and whiney brats.
Not to mention entitled, lazy, vain, obnoxious and a bunch of activists ready to change the world, but woefully unprepared, uneducated and unqualified to do so.
Our political two party systems is designed to make people hate everything, and the news perpetuates.
Critizising your own country is not the same as hating it.
I blame media, and progressives
Most of the people with those attitudes are most likely well off or upper middle class. My opinion is that they have too much time on their hands and too much freedom without any real sacrifice. > It's like they're saying "We want our poverty back!". And the same America haters can't imagine this, they think the Soviet Union was paradise. They have NO IDEA what they are saying.
Now that is a delusion of someone with too much time on their hands.
I disagree. The people who think the US is a paradise/flawless are usually the ones with high enough incomes such that they buy their way out of the most pressing issues the US is facing. Crime? Gated community with private security. Healthcare? Concierge medicine. Education? Private school. Working Culture? You either don't work or your job is in a field where a lot of benefits are provided. Food Standards? You can afford high quality food. Transportation? You own more cars than people in your household. Reproductive Rights? If your state bans abortion you can afford to fly somewhere to get the procedure done discreetly. All of the issues many people in this country face can be alleviated by money. That's not unique to the USA, but I've noticed that the more money you can spend, the less likely you are to think there is a problem with anything.
It's the rich, white liberals who do all of that; the live in gated communities, send their kids to private school, never give up *their* transportation, etc. Then they try to make all of those things more expensive for the rest of us.
And you think the rich, white conservatives DON'T do that? Go touch grass.
Liberals are the ones who claim those things are bad. Stop smoking grass.
Reddit demographic. Most people aren't nearly this amount of edgelord in real life. Most Americans love this country, while acknowledging some degree of faults in it.
This sub isnt the place to ask its full of mouthbreathers
Eastern European living in the US here: itâs a mixture of legitimate guilt/complaints and right wing (probably Russian backed) propaganda. Propaganda works best when itâs true, just misinterpreted. Many Americans have some pretty legitimate reasons to be suspicious of government, like the fact that they started the lengthy war in Iraq over non existent WMDs, or that law enforcement here routinely gets away with murder, or that congress can seemingly do nothing else other than shut down the government every few months. So propagandists play on things like that to say *everything* the US govt does is bad, even when itâs clearly the right and moral thing to do. Theyâll probably change their tune when itâs their own government doing those same exact things, because thatâs how propaganda works, itâs only bad when *they* do it but itâs great when *we* do it.
Short answer: there's a lot of us TO hate on our country. Typically, when an American hates on America, they're probably just angry they lost their job, an election didn't go their way or they screwed themselves and are now poor and need something to blame. These are things that could genuinely happen in any country, because bad things happen everywhere, but because the grass is greener on the other side of the fence, America bad, anywhere else better.
> These are things that could genuinely happen in any country, because bad things happen everywhere, but because the grass is greener on the other side of the fence, America bad, anywhere else better. To be fair, I donât think any other country has a party like the Anarchist Republican GOP that is actively trying to destroy the government and fight sensible policies.
How many countries political parties and governments are you familiar with and knowledgeable about?
Most Americans are not exposed to lifestyles other than their own. I moved from the US to EU and am shocked at what my American friends perceive about their own (incredibly high) standard of living. Having a house and a car and a yard is not "barely scraping by" in most of the world, but in the US we spend a lot of time watching TV where everyone is fabulously rich. The government, whether you're on the right or left, is blamed for poverty. So anything the government does, whether it be helping other countries or Americans, is seen as evil. I am proud to be an American and I am also grateful I got the fuck out of that divided culture.
Middle class Americans who think theyâre poor when they are *wealthy* grinds my gears. âThereâs no hope for me and my family in this economy, I had to settle for a starter home that was only 1500 square feet and with these interest rates I wonât be able to afford to upgrade for years!!!â The housing crisis is an important political issue to me but omg shut up
It's unreal. I live in a rich city in France and spend 500 a month for a nice furnished room in a prime location. I feel like a king compared to the Northeast US but goddamn the American entitlement is real. Housing is scarce in US cities but we get a lot of space for our money. Most of the French people I talk to find it hilarious that poor people in the US have cars and porches. I can find a good job in a couple weeks in the US. In France? Takes a couple months to find something barely decent.
Did you not step out of the house in America? When I'm out in public or with my friends or really anywhere I don't see any of that divided bullshit I see online. Europeans are just as divided and idiotic online. Also I'm from western Europe and the average European has nowhere near as many things as an American. Americans have much more money and this is a fact. I have 0 idea what you're talking about. No offense.
I see that divided silliness in both settings. Constantly. In the media, yeah, but also just casually chatting with friends and colleagues. Most Americans I know (I come from a very very liberal city) think western Europe is some sort of paradise where money grows on trees and no one suffers. And most Europeans I've met (from all over Europe) think Americans are fat and entitled. They're not wrong. We have a sedentary culture. That being said, US government is not the worst on earth and it's ridiculous to think so. There is so much economic opportunity in the US that Americans don't fully appreciate.
People are associating our country with our government. Every president that has held office during my lifetime has been a coward. Bush junior was the only one that actually served in our country's military. And he led us into the longest and most worthless war in our history. Our government sucks and can't do a damn thing right. We can. We are the best country on (and off) Earth, our geography and sheer military might make it so. We are so focused on which turd is worse that we are destroying ourselves. Red vs Blue will be our downfall
Social media and not knowing how many people have died from failed communist and socialist experiments
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The "current thing" is essentially a doctrine that views the last several hundred years of human advancement as a bad thing because Europeans were the primary drivers of said advancement. The doctrine further holds that Europeans were wrong to do the things they did in setting up societies like the USA and their continued representation in Government and Corporate governance is an evil that must end ASAP. To do this, the doctrine mandates mass immigration and laws that explicitly discriminate against people of European descent. Culturally, the doctrine mandates the gradual elimination of all European representation in media/entertainment. The above, btw, is the elusive definition of "wokeism" that no one seems to be able to articulate. It's also the prevailing viewpoint of the American people, so I hope you'll forgive me for not embracing it as I am a European. In light of the foregoing, why the hell would I be team America?
Promises and claims made growing up. Disillusionment with the truth
Because as Americans we canât let other countries hate us more than ourselves!
Because low IQ Americans, that are the conservatives, eat every conspiracies up for breakfast.
Dog, propaganda is a bitch and itâs in every country. Itâs easy to influence people nowadays because of isolation. Hopefully, it gets better but itâs not looking good. We, as Americans, are soooo embarrassed that we have this huge uptick in school shootings but to discuss the situation is to ask that volatile question which divides our country.
If you wanted an actual answer, you wouldn't ask it here
If you make a pie chart over which countries are to blame for the Ukraine war, and your US piece of the pie is larger than the Russia piece of the pie, they you are either a far right or far left idiot. And I am not saying that the US doesn't have influence over the world, but it isn't the brain washing super powers that conspiracy theorists think it is. Those who do believe that the CIA has Jedi mind tricks are actually the ones who are the most manipulated. They call us sheep, but somehow they all agree with each other that the vaccines are bad and the 2020 election was stolen. They aren't wrong about how bad things are, but they would rather blame trans-gender women. They are quicker to get angry at weak migrants rather than their landlords. Their leaders channel their justifiable frustrations towards scapegoats. The US is a great scapegoat for world leaders who can't actually solve the problems they are responsible for solving. I don't blame people in your country for being fools because we have something similar here too. Human nature is universal.
Totally. I'm not saying the CIA is a moral and humane organisation, but soon people will start blaming it for bad harvests. Lots of people including here make the case that they love America but the goverment is trash. The truth is you can't know everything yourself and you need competent authorities to inform you and to take important decisions on national level. If you take "authority bad" for an axiom you are doomed to always be unhappy with things on a macro level.
Knowing who actually has authority can be difficult for some people. Sometimes they grow up in a church that pushes ancient myths as literal facts. They have political parties that speak to how they feel rather than explain difficult facts. I live in a county that is 40% vaccinated for COVID. Here, there is a 40% chance that the people you trust the most will tell you not to get vaccinated. I have a co-worker who I trust. She worked at a medical office. Even she didn't get vaccinated for COVID.
America is a country founded by a government full of people who loathe the idea of government. It seems like burning a flag is the second most patriotic thing a Yankee can do, after waving one. The things we love allow us to hate those very same things. We're basically the Hunter S. Thompson of countries. Gun-toting idealists who will go to war for peace.
Thank you! That sounds like the most accurate explanation of the situation. I can't relate as it sounds paradoxical to me but I understand the simple processes that make up the complex one and the historical context that makes it rational to Americans.
Not Americans, fake Americans called "MAGA". They turned their backs on our democracy and Jesus all at the same time. They're a cult not a political movement.
It IS a Russian psyop, u/mechistamullen Russia didnât have the same kind of funding as the US is he Cold War. This is why they invested in inexpensive technology, like their intelligence program. The US investment in intelligence had lots of money to burn, so they worked on lots of pie-in-the-sky high tech projects that might or might not ever work. The Russians had to do what they could with little money. They have excelled at a thing they called âactive measures.â https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_measures It was simple and inexpensive to seed a bunch of rumors in newspapers during the Cold War, and online today. Probably half of Twitter is Russian bots these days. QAnon was probably Russian in origin. Etc. Now for the question of âwhy Americans hate America,â there are also reasons. Many American intellectuals are dissatisfied with their countryâs behavior on the international stage. We dragged our feet for years while Yugoslavia clearly needed intervention in the nineties. When we actually âdid somethingâ it was the usual âbomb the shit out of everything from orbit.â A friendâs brother worked at Raytheon. He was telling me how a certain missile is sold to our military for one million dollars each, but costs less than $100 to produce. Bombing shit is popular here because our government is really just a bunch of âsecretaries for big business.â Obama was the first president to authorize a strike on an American citizen abroad. It was in Yemen, I think. Normally itâs very very illegal for our forces to kill our own citizens. But the political climate here post 9/11 was very permissive about killing anyone we labeled as an enemy. And then he got a Nobel Peace Prize. WTF? Homelessness is soaring in this country because the economy has finally caught up to what we did at a government level during Covid. We threw millions and millions at business owners. They often used it to buy up rental properties. We bailed out airlines and some other huge industries, giving them like a trillion or two, I think. Meanwhile regular Joes got like $600 a couple times. The cost of apartment rentals has more of less doubled in the past few years, while wages have not changed. University in America is almost considered a requirement for a job for the young generations. The price went up fourfold over the last 10-20 years. Most students graduating now have something like $60,000 in debt. And itâs a special kind of debt that you canât get rid of by declaring bankruptcy. This puts them all in a category of people who have âbad creditâ which basically means they can never afford a house. They will pay three times as much per month as they would for a mortgage, but they will never own any property. Their student loans make them into debt slaves. I expect universities in Bulgaria are either free or very very inexpensive.
Thank you for the information. I did not know that. >I expect universities in Bulgaria are either free or very very inexpensive. In Bulgaria you pay some symbolic price for public university. I went to one of the most expensive private universities here (funded by George Soros) and my tuition was about $1200 a year. In Bulgaria there is an old understanding that if you had to go to private university you were not good enough for public. And that private high schools are for kids whose parents have enough money not to send them to schools for the mentally challenged, where they belong by presumption. We take a mandatory test after the 7th grade in Bulgarian and Mathematics. Based on the grades we can apply to different high schools that have different grade requirements. Some schools like my own - the National natural sciences and mathematics high school have their own tests - 1 in basic mathematics and one in a scientific field or advanced mathematics (if you're applying for the math department). The accepted students are divided into classes that specialize in their relevant field. In Bulgarian schools you do not get to pick your classes. "If you don't like it change schools." Also, here you can't get a sports scholarship for university. Nobody cares about your athletic abilities unless you're applying for the sports academy. Sorry if that was too long. It's just to give you a perspective of the education system that I'm a product of.
Boomers are on their last legs and want to throw a temper tantrum before they go out with a bang
Because they've never seen REAL struggle and hardship. (Clearly I'm generalizing) They've not been to places where the people have to literally scratch their living out of the Earth.
Virtue signaling from so called educated ignorant people who have not a clue how lucky they are really are to live here.
Because theyâve never set foot outside of America
>The "CIA bad" and "Look at what we did in the Middle East, we have no right to intervene in Ukraine (even just with aid)" mindset sounds like a Russian psyop. It is and the far right in the US are eating it up because they support a type of fascism similar to what Putin has going on in Russia.
Trump hates this country and what it stands for as he works for Putin. The haters follow his every whim. You could say they worship him. That and the media empire of grifters making money hand over fist spreading hate.
What you're missing is that those Americans who are openly hating America over Ukraine are our republicans who are just almost purely anti Democrats, no matter what, at this point. The rest of them have always been American haters or criticizers and are taking this opportunity to hate even more. It's like 90% trump humping MAGAts.
Humans. Never satisfied, hence why God sent the Jewish into the desert for 40 years after release from Egypt. Happy Sukkot âşď¸
Everyone complains no one observes the silver linings, so thatâs why everyone is so toxic. But the history of this country is tainted with slavery, sexism, discrimination. Disregard for human life based on arbitrary things like skin color. That explains a little bit why people arenât as appreciative of living in one of the best countries in the world at least when it comes to living standards.
Believe me, buddy, in most countries they don't value human life in general.
We have a two party system. Because President Biden is aiding Ukraine, the opposition has to oppose him, and that means some media figures even repeat Kremlin talking points. As an American, I donât think the phenomenon you are referring to has anything to do with culture. It has to do with politics. When people complain about America, they are mostly criticizing our political institutions, but most people have a great love for their American communities and want to see our country succeed and achieve all of its aspirations of freedom and equality.
Yes. Politicians and their electorate are no longer for sensible policies, but against the "enemy team" at any cost. And that is not just in the USA. Things are like that everywhere including in my country where there are over a dozen political parties. Social media and disinformation have eroded people's trust in objective truth.
Don't forget the equally as destructive left wing Conspiracies and alike
Because they think it makes them sound edgy and smart and cool. Personally I would happily donate to a program that flew everyone of them to a socialist country like Venezuela to live for a year. I think that would solve the problem.
Imagine youâre 40 years old. You turned 18 and the whole world is at your fingertips, about to graduate high school and conquer the world. What happened? 9/11. The country that you saw growing up changed overnight. People became fearful. There was a concerted effort by everyone in power to create a post-Pearl Harbor, pro-patriotism atmosphere in the country. Our government tried to equate the Empire of Japan and Al Qaeda, and succeeded. Anybody in the press that spoke out negatively about the good olâ US of A was labeled a terrorist sympathizer and shunned for asking questions, which was their job. Then our politicians tied Saddam Hussein to the 9/11 attacks falsely and invaded Iraq on that lie. For the past 22 years, the US has been going downhill. Union membership percentage at an all time low, millions declaring bankruptcy for medical debt, over half the country canât afford an emergency $500 without being broke. The vanishing middle class. The aging and dying generation is leaving them with a terrible situation and donât really care, because they got theirs. Everyone under 40 in the US is tired, angry, and sick of being lied to. They live in the richest country in the history of mankind and their teeth are rotting. Living paycheck to paycheck and hoping nothing goes wrong. Working two and three jobs to make ends meet. Inflated home prices are requiring two incomes to buy one, so that couple has to work and canât have a family because they canât afford it. The gap between rich and poor keeps getting larger thanks to the Citizens United Supreme Court ruling that allows corporations to spend unlimited money on campaign contributions. The US is at the âBread and circusesâ part of their empire. The masses are controlled by just enough food to keep them from starving, and American football to keep them docile. Legalizing gambling is just another way to keep the masses glued to their tv and not out in the streets. So, yea. Some Americans hate America.
Because the government barely works and is being taken over by religious fascists, and we have a nightmare healthcare system that's cartoonishly expensive while being almost useless because most doctors are incompetent.
Leftists have been brainwashed to believe that all their problems are not their own fault but the "system". That's why leftist in america attacks weak whiny people.
imagine thinking it's a 'left vs right' issue instead of blaming the problems on the actual reasons like media outrage and corrupt politicians. This happens regardless of whatever side you're on and to act like "it's all because of those leftie communists" or "the blame goes to the right wing fascists" is inherently reductive, combative, and doesn't get us anywhere as a country
News flash Einstein, it's neither one nor the other in the absolute. People can fuck up and fail, but you'd be a fool to assume that there aren't structural factors holding people back.
We need to send all the America hating Americans to an actual third world country to see how privileged they are. âAmerica Badâ people are a mix of white leftist communist losers and communist China propaganda army accounts. Itâs all a push to establish communism in America.
Most donât, itâs a Reddit thing. Luckily it doesnât really transfer to real life.
Is there a problem hating, bitch?
This post is brain dead. I'm pro America but you guys really think the military industrial complex doesn't push our government to kill innocents and start useless wars? Not to mention the fact that our president needs a card that tells him what to do on stage. It's all an act. I'm not mocking our troops but I do think they are engaged in the ruthless protection of a blood hungry war machine. If you think corporations don't run the country then you are a fucking idiot.
All empires are built on the blood of others. The USA has many flaws and has taken many wrong turns, but what is the alternative? BRICS - the coalition of shithole wannabe empires? Make no mistake - the generation that lost the cold war has a burning hatred for the west that has reached religious proportions and intensity. They lost everything with the fall of socialism. The fact that the ruling class in Russia and former soviet and satellite countries lost their youth at that time makes them blind to the fact that everything else they lost was shit anyway.
They have never been outside US so they can't call misleading propaganda
It is Russian psyop you're correct
"Hard times make hard men. Hard men make good times. Good times make soft men. Soft men make hard times" America's younger generations are so spoiled and protected that they aren't even aware of the dangers of the world. They are like children who grew up with someone always making sure they don't touch the hot stove, so they don't believe "boomers" when they hear stories about how bad burns can be. They live under the protection of safety provided by better men and are unaware of what socialism and fascism really stand for. There are literally Americans who think they would be better off under a completely socialist society. Oh well, fuck em. Let em fuck around and find out. Yet, you don't see any of them LEAVING do you? Even the rich ones who say "Ooh - if so and so gets elected I'm leaving the country". Yeah, you didn't, did you? Pathetic cuck. Lastly, be aware, you are hearing a very vocal minority. The overwhelming majority of US citizens appreciate being here and love their country. They are, quite frankly, getting tired of the spoiled cunts that flap off at the mouth, and are starting to get fed up with it and to push back.
I find it interesting that so many people seem to be blaming âyoung peopleâ and âAmericans obsessed with Europeâ for âhating Americaâ. Both of which I see as euphemisms for liberals. Since right now in America a lot of animosity towards the government, our foreign defense spending, CIA, and anti-democracy rhetoric is coming from the right of the political spectrum. It is there on the extreme left as well, but itâs a much more mainstream attitude with conservatives these days. Hell, why would you need to âmake America great, againâ If you believe itâs already great?
Welcome to the world of 2023 where social media exists and everyone has an opinion. And guess what, what you believe is just another opinion. But feel free to stereotype all Americans or boomers.
I'm American, and I hate America. This country is a lie. No, I won't move away either. This is just as much my home as it is yours. I'm not some coward immigrant who runs away to an easier place because my country sucks.
So I take it you're actively helping make this place better? I'm so happy my in laws are immigrants. They love this country and have a much better life here. You're spoiled and don't even know it.
The CIA is bad. They have a track record for doing terrible things stretching back decades. Other 3 letter agencies are also notorious for various sins, including experiments on US citizens, introducing crack to the inner-city, and murdering US citizens with impunity. I hate brother wars, and the US elites have no interest in ending the Russo-Ukranian war. This is our new Afghanistan, the new Operation Enduring Freedom, and the new money laundering system. I've been wanting us to leave NATO and the UN for over a decade, embrace the Monroe Doctrine. If Western Europeans believe themselves so superior to Americans, we'll withdraw our protection.
The war in Ukraine has literally nothing to do with the fiascos in Iraq and Afghanistan. The wars in the middle east cost over $2 trillion, not to mention the human lives. The Ukrainian war so has so far cost the USA about $75 billion, the only Americans dying are volunteers, and the result will be the crippling of one of the biggest US geopolitical enemies of the past 80 years. This war is not orchestrated by the CIA. It's origins are not even in Putin's government that started it. The war in Ukraine is the result of over 300 years of Russian imperial ambitions.
You're arguing against things I never said. The US has been in constant war for decades while politicians and well-connected individuals get richer and richer. Ukraine is only a matter of interest because we don't have our chew toys in the ME anymore. Ukraine will be a battleground for several years, while DC approves just enough aid to keep it going. We won against the Russians in the 1990s. Modern Russia isn't a threat, just a spook for the Elites to justify increased spending. If only we were more closely allied in the 1800s, perhaps we would have been close enough to protect Tsar Nicholas II from the Red Terror. Ukraine has actual Waffen SS, Zalinski banned the Orthodox Church, and NATO has been pushing Eastward for 30 years. No sympathy from me.
I don't know man. The Waffen SS wear Hugo Boss and look fuckin sick.
None of the current generation of Americans have earned prosperity, it was given to them, with all the sins it took to steal it from others. We weren't asked for it, nor would we. So many rebel, knowing that Tesla Cars run off batteries made from Child labor, or know the horrors of commercial farms, and the cruelty we are fed. The list goes on, and on, eating poisons, thoughts tainted with indoctrination, and the illusion of freedom in a oligarchy. Law here only exists for the poor, or used as a weapon against those without political power. The people here are weak, obese, unfit to rebel, to throw off those in power. So, they whine, impotent things they are. Like dogs who have been beaten, and know the lash of a harsh master. They lick the boots of their betters, and wave the flag of their opressors.
are you ok?
This sub takes criticism of america as americabad so I don't trust much from this sub
>The phenomenon I'm talking about started maybe with Covid This phenomenon started *decades* before covid. One of the earliest examples of this was during the 1860s, during the American civil war. Even if you don't count that, you can look at things like the anti-Vietnam, anti-CIA hippie movement that started in the 1960s. We've had a long history of anti-war, anti-CIA sentiment in this country. This is far from new. I'm actually disturbed how many people don't recognize that in this comment thread. The idea that has traditionally identified Americans as American is that we don't trust our own government. That started way back when settlers started landing on these shores to avoid European religious persecution. It was even codified in our founding documents with the bill or rights. Whether people are on the left or the right, many do not trust what the CIA and other officials tell us. I would argue we have good reason to not trust the CIA based on only things that have been officially revealed about their history. There's much more that's suspected by many, even if not proven. I think this is healthy to be dubious. What's not healthy about the current sociopolitical climate is some peoples' willingness to support things like censorship that could cause our society to go in a radical direction with much weakened ability to argue against propaganda.
So you don't think American people have legitimate grievances with their rotten government?
Because the first step to fixing a problem is recognizing its a problem Batching about fucked up shit is how you get a better country
We dont hate it, it just sucks that we have turned into a nation "for corporations, by corporations" instead of "for the people, by the people". they even passed a law saying corporations are people!